CGC President & Head Grader On 9.9's, JSA, & The Grading Process - Matt Nelson - Swagglecast 016
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- In this video we have our next video podcast episode of "Swagglecast."
Today's guest is CGC President and Head Grader MATT NELSON
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Hope you all enjoy the video!
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:35 - JSA Partnership
11:40 - Community Feedback
16:17 - The 9.9 PreScreen
24:10 - Comparative Grading
33:09 - Grading Subjectivity
42:52 - Grading Guide & Scale Evolution
50:09 - Dealing With New Restoration Techniques
58:41 - The Census
01:05:42 - Retail Variants & Numbered Books
01:15:38 - Lawsuit Updates
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Mick you need to check out Momo Ono Collects. He went to a con and meet Matt Nelson and it was not a good experience. He ask Matt about his Wonder Women #6 cgc 3.5. Matt said if you did restoration, clean, and press it should bump it up to at least 4.0 maybe 5.0. He payed for it to be restored, cleaned, and pressed it and it came back at a 3.5. When he e mail Matt said he said it was just a estimate! This is the guy who wrote a book on grading and he said it was just a estimate! Plus Momo was in con forum with cgc. Someone ask what is the average for one of your grader to grade a comic book. This is a cgc employee said 10 seconds!!!!! I hope everybody is listening. So when you pay good money to have your comic books graded it takes 10 seconds for them to grade them. One other thing they are suppose to have three grader for a book. Two regular graders and senior grader. Let say if one regular grader puts it at 6.0 and the second grader put it at 6.0. Then the senior grader puts it at 4.0. Cgc goes with the senoir grader of the 4.0 not the average. This is messed up! Go to Momo Ono Collect and watch his video,it's unbelievable!!
Great interview. Quite interesting in context of the sleuthing showing how an auction house with the right capital can amass the books and get the 9.9s.
This is SUCH a necessary watch!!!! It clears up soooo much stuff… thank you!
they main problem is that there isn't transparency or consistency in grading. look up a 8.5 and a 9.0 of the same book. the notes are empty so you dont know why they got the grade and if you crack it and re summit you'll get different grade (higher or lower). compare cgc to card grading where they break down the grading into corners,edgescolor etc. comic grading is way behind the curve.
Examples?
It could happen, but I will say that I submitted a Silver Surfer #1 three times and it came back the same grade each time. I thought it deserved a grade bump, but I won't be submitting again.
Swagg, I noticed more than once that you got Matt thinking about some things that he hadn’t before. Nicely done!
Idk about the signatures from old comics being authenticated is gonna be foolproof. If the price of the signature makes money people will exploit the loophole.
I'll be sure I'm in the minority but I always felt like there weren't enough 9.9s and even 10s. Everything seemed to come back 9.8 to the point that it got ridiculous to me. Especially when it comes to modern new books right off the press.
As long as you’re an auction house or big dealer.
Thanks for posting this, was looking forward to watching this.
They need clarification on what theyre doing with sketch covers and remarks. What exactly is "negatively impact"? If it does impact it, you get a green label. If it doesnt, you get the new label. Yet, if I get it cgc witnessed, regardless if it does or doesnt impact the comic, you still get a yellow label. Does "impact" mean damage? Theyre not answering this on their forum and emailing them you may get five different answers.
Sketches unwitnessed will be qualified but the autograph will be authenticated. If the grade is low enough, usually in the mid-grade range, the sketch may drop it one step. So a 6.0 book with the sketch would go to 5.5 blue label. No point in giving it a 6.0 green.
Unless your a comic book dealer or auction house you are not getting those 9.9s
@illuminaticomics2253 agreed, same here.
The game has been rigged. No joe shmo is gonna get a Iron man #1 9.9 let’s say but Mr pink sure would.. As far as CGC using JSA it’s a way they didn’t want to use before but now it makes sense? What a bunch of BS as CBCS was doing that with them for years.
Yo doggy it sounds like you barking
@illuminaticomics2253 I got one 9.9 before actually
Thanks for the video Swag. As a conservator I really appreciated the questions pertaining to pressing cleaning, and cover cleaning. Thanks for the time and content.
Great interview!
I’d like to know the education and experience of the current graders. Do they participate in annual education to maintain their "certification" as graders? Are there era experts who concentrate on Silver or Bronze age only? Why so few notes? Aren't notes part of the fee paid? Answers to questions like these would provide a comfort level for submission.
10 should be a ghost, zero defects. 9.9 a tiny color breaking stress line as long as everything else is perfect, 9.8 can get 2 as long as everything else is perfect. There. Done. He said it.
I got to get that pedigree edition Matt. In hindsight I should’ve got my CGC grading guide graded. I do believe the best thing about JSA is getting exclusive variant signatures like Spawn 350 graded. Also Matt you were CCS and now you are CGC, that’s a big change, and there has been big changes since you changed your role. So long as you are there then CGC will always be changing. That’s a good thing but I feel you have to get a grand design and not just rely on a market demand to influence changes
Im still kind of uneasy about the impact of comparitive grading in the assignment on 9.9s/10s. Having graded many copies of a book in the past is great but having 20 copies of any given book stacked up on frobt of you with 2-3 that are clearly in better shape is going to be a difficult mental hurdle to overcome.
Whats the justification for 9.9 prescreens to cost significantly more? Why is it so much harder to differentiate between a 9.8 and 9.9 versus a 2.0 and 2.5? It feels like cgc is still figuring out what the standards for 9.9+ are.
Not about costing more. The reject fee is $9. If you submit 20 books for 9.8 prescreen and get 2 rejected, you only wasted $18. If you go for the 9.9 and get 0-1, you wasted a lot more. Plus if you cracked them out, now you have 19-20 raw books you need to reholder and spend all the money for regrading. That's why he said hundreds of dollars.
The bleaching part of the interview is very eye opening..
He looks like his hands are cuffed behind his back in a chair - the auction houses are just off screen with their baseball bats in case he doesn’t tow the company line.
Wait until all those 9.8s drop in price. How many more years until we get the 10 pre screen service?
Why not 11? 11 is better than 10.
My problem is so they weren't grading us on a 10 scale already they we're grading us on a 9.8 scale..... And why all of a sudden now you decide my prescreen 9.8's are 9.9 or 10 now but not before
All I got from this video was Matt Nelson telling me to send in all my 9.8s to get regraded while winking at me. 🤨
Wankin me would be better 😅
Yes 9.9’s and 10’s have been given before the 9.8 prescreen. But I don’t believe for a second that the recent 9.9’s and 10’s, given as a result of mass prescreen submissions, would get those same grades if they were submitted individually. Not a chance. Maybe a small fraction of them would, but without “comparative grading” they’d slap 9.8’s on most of those in a heartbeat.
Great interview tho!
CGC guide to grading is a helpful guide. But it already existed in Overstreet. Overstreet getting graded by CGC was either a FU or a homage to the original. Idk
CGC needs to graded based on what people think what a 9.9/10 should look like cause those people are the ones who can't afford 9.9/10's in the first place
100 labels for $100 credit… hmmm bit of a different approach. That’s a good start, keep thinking more incentives.
I can't stand the line of we've been doing this for many many years. That does not make it right......Also, there is a feeling of self satisfaction of taking care of a book for years and get a 9.8 or what ever. Books being sent straight from the printer to CGC and getting a 9.8/9.9 etc seems cheap. The book did not earn the right to get a high grade. Pay your dues book!
I can’t watch this video…just going to be another video of Matt Nelson defending cgc and why 9.9s are a thing and no bias …
Swagglehaus will fall right in line…not really say much or ask tough stuff…or even be real with Matt Nelson…cause he’s the guest. It’s all a money grab and subjective…how many of you have books and you wonder how it didnt get a higher grade or vice versa…the consistency of cgc is laughable. I still buy graded books…I just think CGC has gone downhill by a lot. Just my opinion.
All influencers will be nice to Matt…and protect cgc to no end…cause well…obviously it’s part of the channel and content and they own high dollar books graded by them.
Not hating on swags…I just know how this interview goes I don’t have to watch it lol.
Yeah, it's unfortunate . RUclipsrs need to decide if they want to be more akin to journalists or fluffy influencers bc journalists would ask the tough questions
@@thecomickeeper5127 oh they’ll defend Matt Nelson and CGC to no end…it’s part of their channel and content and *brand*….of all the things cgc has done within the last year…and people are willing to accept….9.9s…scandals….signature verifications (we all know there will be counterfeits certified)…these channels still buy sell and pump out their content lol. Then the channels who really tell it like it is (sticky goose, thoro etc), get called haters etc…there’s really nothing Matt Nelson could tell me to convince me to what he says and CGC does isnt complete BS. It’s honestly a joke.
Idk…these channels and influencers just defend them and stick by them. I did like cgc, but I haven’t bought many books as of late…everything CGC is doing is a complete money grab without the collector in mind…the collector should be first and foremost of anything. But hey what do I know? Lol.
On a side note…I do believe there are 9.9s and 10s that could potentially exist…but it should be like finding a unicorn…should barely see them at all. Now they’re popping out weekly…and what do ya know…to famous auction houses and channels lol…get outta here. Just my 2 cents.
What Ol’ Nellie doesn’t tell you is JSA will authenticate any sig as long as you lay them.
"Gold" labels are pedigree. The sig series is "yellow"
The FBI estimates that roughly 50 percent of vintage sports memorabilia on the market is fraudulent. Other experts put the figure closer to 80 percent. With so much available online, it can be difficult to distinguish between an authentic signature and a bogus one.
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9.9 like when it became more important to chase numbers not the actual book.
Sis: bro you got a nice collection, too bad you ain’t got no 9.9 SIKTC #1… 🎤
Bro: 😭🔫
Im not even a slab guy, but thr whole 'negatively impact'/damage thing is suspect. Somehow when CGC is benefiting financially, amazingly no book is negatively impacted/damaged... and they all get the yellow label. . Funny how that works..😂
I think it’s very significant that the CEO would come and answer questions. It shows confidence and his company. I presume he did not know the questions that he would be asked in advance. If he did then I would question how I feel.
Monopoly is a board game too.
You can’t pay CGC in Monopoly money son but you can buy it off them to put in your pocket for a rainy day. Ain’t changing 💩 still gonna be wet.
This interview actually cleared up a point I didn't even know I cared about. The date the book was signed. Maybe that means something to someone. My example is my wife and I got married and 2 days later we were at NYCC and I had Frank Miller sign my death of Electra. I got it verified because the date mattered. Maybe not secondary market value but personal value.
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Broooo what are the chances he brings up Wolverine 1 being much more common in higher grades? I gotta look up and see if Automatic Comics video game out before or after this interview.
Any chances he knows or is in cahoots in Zazulo?
This video is not getting many views...NUFF SAID!!!
Just like with Diamond. I look forward to the day CGC has true competition so they stop doing stupid and shady shit 💩
Mick I commend you for getting through a hour of this guys crap with out laughing in his face. This company is the contradiction at every turn . Thanks for the hour 20 stand up. Best laughs since Bill Burs last stand up
He is full of crap
I still don't believe it's possible to verify a signature post hoc.
Dear CGC, please remove 9.4, 9.6 and 9.8 from your future grading scales. In the future it should be 9.0, 9.5 and 9.9. This would clear up the issue of what a perfect comic is as well as be consistent with the other grade scales. What does a 6.8 book get a CGC 7.0 or do you get a 6.5?
Wow, harsh comments out there. Personally, I have no interest in comic books past 1975, and I feel that CGC does a very accurate job of grading those books.
Comic books with a million copies out there are NOT an investment.
Q: How can you tell when Matt Nelson is lying?
A: When his mouth moves.
9.9 and 10 shouldn’t be a thing, period.
Splitting hairs
Destroying the books to just have 200 copies of a variant is madness.. Waste of paper imo
Look at these comments... I hope everyone at ccg is paid well, they can't be in it for grateful, calm customers. 😂
I sub perfect books & get 9.6 (no notes)
Auction house subs beat up book & gets 9.9 (with notes) 🤡
Nothing to see here - move along.
CGC is a joke
No way will i do CGC
No shit Dick Tracy.
Grading shouldn't be comparative. You have a list of criteria for grading and you follow it. If no 9.9 or 10's exist then they don't exist, you don't give them a pity 9.9 or 10 at that point it is truly up to the grader and the criteria doesn't mean anything. Later in interview refers to gut instinct about effects of cracked slab resubmission adversely effecting the comic market but where is that gut instinct when they all of a sudden are saying resubmit your comics so we can see if 9.8's are better than what they originally graded and flood the market with 9.9's and 10's. I am of the opinion that 9.9's and 10's aren't that rare and what created the rarity is their choice to decide whether a comic is or isn't and effect the market. It is market manipulation with great PR.
First lol hahaha
Lies and propaganda!
World class graders, lol.
SWAG “Hey Matt fancy coming on the show to talk about CGC comic grading”; MATT “Hmm, not sure about this”; SWAG “Don’t worry, there won’t be any difficult questions about Auction houses getting 9.9’s, transparency and challenges about the re-holdering scandal”, MATT “sounds great buddy, could do with trying to clear some of this this heat, oh by the way don’t forget to submit those Minty Bronze Age keys in time for your next claim sale”, SWAG “sweet, see you next week”