Why can't F1 race when it's very wet?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- When the rain storms come, sessions get delayed, races get red flagged and we all wonder - why do we even have wet tyres if we can't go racing?
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The only logical follow-up question is: How dry is too dry?
yes, please! This video also needs to be created
You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
Im going in dry
They drive across Sahara in Paris-Dakar so there doesn't seem to be a limit
We will find out with this year's Spanish Grand Prix.
@@ivan_pozdeev_u engine was overheating so yea
I always have to think about Jules Bianchi under those circumstances. It's good to go safety first.
Same
yeah but the FIA hasn't learnt the lesson, we have seen many cranes on the circuit even since then
@@aqpatt4675 that was idiotic there should have been a safety car before the crane came out
@@aqpatt4675 but now it's always with a safety car. Haven't seen them deploying a crane without SC yet
#forzajules
Stuart: "Hey, I have a great idea for a practical demonstration!" Talk about instant regret. :-p
I was fully expecting him to slide on his front down a tarp and give us a comparison of the how much water F1 tyres clear vs his face. Would have been less cold too.
i'd fill up a bath. easier, and you just say that full wets pump this much every second, while travelling at 300km/h.
the on-screen at 5:10 is /brilliant/. XD. And that exhale really emphasizes the regret.
Simple answer: They're not boats
Ferrari: Am I a joke to you?
True, even though the ferrari does handle like one
@@josh8962 yes you are a joke, Ferrari
Tell that to Hamilton.
Lmao, maybe someday, F1 will make a "boat" mode for too wet track?
5:54 "Anything could be in that spray... maybe a car spun out and stationary across the track."
And that's exactly how Belgium '98 happened. Coulthard spun, nobody could see him, and they all just ploughed into each other.
And then there's Rosset
Coulthard got it twice that race, actually
@@mikelewis495 Coulthard shunted no fewer than 17 cars that day - crashed his own in the morning warm-up, took himself and 12 others out at the first start, knocked out Wurz on the opening lap of the restart, and his famous incident with Schumi later in the race. De Cesaris could only dream of such ruthless efficiency.
race are voting by the driver... if they want to race then it is fine.. it is 2020... we can driving a car in the rain....
@@campkira what are you talk8ng about you daft?
I mean racing in heavy rain just starts to look like everyone tiptoeing around to stay on track, which is interesting but not nearly as amazing as wheel to wheel dry or light rain racing.
True but in the pasts years we've seen multiple times that everyone pitted for inters right away. Surely that's overdoing it.
Or that weird moment between heavy and light rain and you have a drive like Max last year in Brazil!
Petition to turn on the sprinklers prior to every session. A damp track would spice things up
Dry racing just becomes Hamilton and Bottas competing to see who can push their UNTERHUNTEN cars to the limit. Light rain or bust.
Finnigan Sargeant I always think back to Malaysia 2009 when Nick Heidfeld went for a spin at what looked like 25mph
"Its not suitable to see people die or get hurt for our entertainment "
Romans-Ummm,excuse me
F1 in the 50s 60s 70s 80s : Hold my beer.
it actually is and there are enough drivers who would risk their lives just like back in the day... This modern F1 races are just fucking boring with no risky driving etc
@@masterchief8646 yea but i don't wanna see my fav drivers die
Are we in an alternative universe where UFC doesn't exist?
@@masterchief8646 I don't think you are ok
That 3D layers-of-mist animation was brilliant! I know you don't do 3D very often, but that was perfect for driving the point home, and it did so incredibly elegantly.
And the extra added benefit is that full wet tires just look cool.
Can you make a video about the different things race engineers say to their frivers, like what engine modes to use and that sort of stuff. Ps love the vids :)
Yeah i really want to understand the '' scenarios ''
The dificulty is with a video concept like that is most teams speak in code, so you need to know the code before you can make content about it, most of the stuff is shorthand for a series of pre discussed and memorised condidtions. Some of it is easy to work out "plan B" is obviously their alternate race strategy.
The most famous phase we know about is "multi 2-1" Red Bulls code for hold station, don't fight, car two in front of car one, but If we didn't know the meaning it could be anything. Multi is normally to do with the multifunction display and 2-1 would be a position on that display, unless we knew all the menu options its hard to do deep analysis of it...
Its the same for engine modes or strat modes, the drivers know what it means because the memorise a literal book of commands, but for an outside viewer its hard to know exactly what it means, we can normally figure it out, but if its that obvious it might change throughout the season...
The Kimi's part will last roughly 15 secs
I believe he's made a video on engine mapping which relates to your question on engine modes
You'd have to ask every team individually about that. They change constantly, because of different track situations and to prevent the other teams from figuring out what their competition is doing. Mode 1 at Bahrain could be an entirely different setup from mode 1 at Monaco
Oh jeez that Diet Coke clip absolutely made me lose it - I salute you sir 😂
There's something admirable and absolutely inspiring about watching the drivers tame these beasts in the wet. As a spectator I really love watching any race use the INT tires but I don't want it to be a crawl.
I want some wet races. I want to see how things are really done when it gets sticky out there, or actually the opposite
I never understood the extension of Parc Fermé rules to qualifying, I feel it has robbed us of some surprises in the races where teams/drivers could overcome a performance deficiency by trying last-minute setup changes on Sunday.
Well we got to know how wet is too wet in this year’s memefest, also known as spa 2021.
Last time I was this early, Stuart made a video teaching Ferrari how F1 works in an Italian accent. Anyone else remembered that one?
The real question is: Have Ferrari seen the video yet?
@@NarendraWicaksono apparently not
Yep. A piece of art
Very good video. As a marshal, we take bad weather VERY seriously. One thing you you did forget to mention from a marshaling point of view is that if visibility is bad enough that you can't see the previous or next station, the drivers can't either and you would have to stop the race. Another reason we have this rule is if the radios or landlines go down. We can still "talk" with another station using hand signals but in heavy rain? forget it.
There was a great shot in the red flagged F3 race shown on the Sky Pad, where from the paused image looks to have only two cars, one on the left and one on the right of the screen but when they resume the video, three cars appear in the center out of thick spray fighting for position.
The intro looks awesome 💯
Chain Bear, the animation quality of your videos really improved a lot since I've been watching.
I always love your content!! Really informative and fun to watch!
I often have a general idea about the subjects, but i don't know the details and I'm often not even sure if what i think is correct.
Thanks for these amazing videos! Your voice is great to listen to!!
"we as spectators don't want to see death or any serious injury"
Have ya heard of NASCAR?
@@valerierodger7700 same when its wet.. crashes and spins. Little or slow teams can mix it with the faster cars...
And besides that, F1 throws a safety car if its *slightly damp* and a fly happens to fart in the pit lane.
Man, I just don't think you get it.
They stop at the first sign of rain and dry the track afterwards with huge jet engines on the back of a truck. They take it to the opposite extreme
They've become more and more risk adverse, the calendar dates have changed to times of the year where there's the least chance or bad weather in those locations and now a third of races are held in the desert.
Risk reduction is generally beneficial. If you run a race where/when it's least likely to be rained out, you reduce the chance of not satisfying teams, sponsors, and spectators. Saying "we can't race today" is a PR nightmare. As for the races in the desert, I'm more willing to blame massive piles of money than a particular fear of rain.
you should have started this vid to the music of "riders on the storm"....that would have been EPIC
I’m so early Ferrari hasn’t crashed into each other yet
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I laughed yet heartbroken, damn it
my soul hurts
lol
Theyll do it again
Nathalie Starlight let’s see about that
As a club-level marshal, other things to consider are visibility from station to station. We would stop racing if you couldn't see the next marshal station through the fog/rain. Lightning in the area was also a stopping point because we were on land line radios.
It's also not advisable to race in the remnants of a hurricane, due to the wind in addition to the rain.
The production value has shot up recently. This a brilliant video
It's a brave man who tries to chug the cold, bubbly boi that is diet coke
If it isnt safe enough for the helicopter to take off and get to the hospital, it is not safe enough to race.
Also have to remember in the 90s cars would have a wet setup in bad whether. Whereas today's cars use the same setup in the dry as the rain. So cars run much closer to the ground than in the 90s in the rain and the chance for aquaplaning are much greater..
They can setup the car for rain or dry.
Soooooo set the car up for rain??🤔🤔
Can race a wet setup with dry tyres in the dry yknow... might even shake things up...
Hahah the soda chug 😂 good stuff
Absolutely hilarious!
that was beer but same effect 😂
@@ultravince_xxi really, looked like coke zero to me
Deja vu?
Me, trying to summarize it in 1 one word without watching the actual video:
S🅱️inalla
Darkray no need for a correction, having 🅱️ is a part of the meme
Send this over to Jeremy Clarkson... he still doesn’t seem to be able to understand it
I don't understand how you get these animations done so quickly every week. You really are the best.
Come for the technical content stay for the commitment levels displayed. Cheers!!
not sure if the teeth are still there tho... gotta be arse freezing
One glaring example of a race that was too wet, the 1991 Australian Grand Prix at Adelaide. To this day, it's the shortest Grand Prix in F1 history, with the race being stopped on lap 16 but the result being declared on lap 14. Even Senna was frantically gesticulating in his car, calling for the race to be stopped
The fistrule of rainraces is that you need to go 90 a 100% on the trottle on the straights and if you won't be able to do that: well than it's to wet to race.
For the corners it's the same:
Grip from the tarmac vs grip from the aerospeed, you can perfectly have optimal grip in some wet tarmacs but if you drive to slow for the corner than you will spin either.
You're videos deserve to be on the F1 channel
Watching this while waiting for Belgian GP to start.
Last time I was in this early the track was still dry.
So that was last sunday
I hope the joke wasn't too dry for you 🤭
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0:24 Also F3 race 1 was stopped
Two races that come to mind with rain, Monaco 96 and Brazil 03
You have the best F1 RUclips channel imo. Super informative and to the point. Keep it up!
I am learning soooo much in these vids. Keep the good work up!!
Two options: First, add a third wet spec, monzonic rain, and decide if its possible to compete only on the ability of the helicopter to fly. The driver should be responsible enough to know how much he can push, or how much distance he should leave from the preceding car to drive safely. Second: forget about wet tires, compete only on dry asphalt. If an event is delayed for more than 30 min, return the money to public, organisers, televisions, subscriptions, etc...
Absolutely agree with your safety talk.
If you're new to F1, search youtube for "2007 european grand prix" for a great example of what would not be allowed nowadays.
Thx. I'll use it as an argument against people, bitching about F1 delaying or even cancelling races in heavy rain
I really like these videos!
Could you please do a video on ‘Jobs in F1’
Thanks
I love your Videos and your Voice is so soothing, helps me sleep well afterwards! Thank you for the nice content.
What a great little skit, your videos are absolutely phenomenal
We saw how wet is too wet for F1 after Spa 2021 😐
Previously they used to race in any conditions (Spain or Monaco 1996 is a prime example). Then Charlie Whiting became a race director in 1997 and at Spa, for the first time in history, a race started behind the SC. By 2010s Charlie's tolerance for any wet weather had basically vanished. Let's hope Masi will once again allow racing in rain.
not to mention, all that water being kicked up can get sucked into the brake ducts and radiator ducts
Interesting to watch this after the Nascar boys tried out CotA ... in the wet. Apparently even a relatively huge Camry look-alike is still hard to see when it's doing about four kph in the straight.
Well, I guess that after Spa this season we've found out when it's in fact to wet to race.
Gonna need to send this to the many twitter replies I saw on Saturday who would rather see safety thrown out the window for their own entertainment
It's like when we don't go to ride our when there's a HUGE winter storm we don't go too fast or the snow will make you slide and you see not even 200m away so you slow your speed, now you might go 70km/h, so imagine how running at 300km/h can be hard and dangerously too dangerous
Me, in 2021 post belgian grand prix watching this now
I just started watching F1 so I'm finding your videos very helpful! Thanks!
I think it was at fuji 1976 when it rained cats and dogs and The Stewards decided to run the race recardless for it was broadcasted on live tv. Nicki Lauda who barely suvived his horrific crash at the Nurburgring the same year stopped withe the words " I am not going to kill myself again!" that and James' Hunt Mad as a Hatmaker driving achieving a 3rd place secured him the title that year.
Really great graphics to show the drivers’ perspective
I can tell you all about medical heli's and standing water. Even knee deep mud. My friends and I were at the 2015 US Grand Prix. FP1 was cut short. FP2 was canceled. FP3 was canceled. Quali was on Sunday morning before the race. We paid for a full weekend to stand in monsoon weather for 2 days and zero racing and muddy shoes and drenched clorhes. But you know what? We had a blast partying on 6th St and witnessing Lewis clinch the driver's world championship.
The wider tyres, which F1 uses since 2017, are partly responsible for the lack of wet races.
They create more spray, so the visibility for the car behind gets very bad.
Before 2017 the cars and tyres were narrower, which was better for wet weather racing.
It saddens me that we don't see any proper wet racing anymore. When they do race in the wet, then the SC stays out as long as it's almost ready for inters (Hockenheim '19).
But it is what it is. I'd rather see them not racing than somebody getting hurt or even killed.
Brilliant visuals, sound, presentation and content again
Simple answer: Spa 2021
Damn bro, your channel really grew! Video posted 1 day ago already has over 100 000 views, you really deserve this bro, well done! ( :
Your animation is really improving ,
keep it up mate .
3:10 Same happened in 2019 German Grand prix(much people did DNF)
If you want a WET F1 race, take a look back at the first F1 race at the 2010 Korean Grand Prix. Construction of the track had only begun in 2009 so it was rushed. On race day it poured down rain but they put on full wets and off they went, off the track on turn one. From there it got even more comical. Cars sliding off everywhere and the Mercedes safety car running speeds quicker than the racers. The track designer, Hermann Tilke, hadn't given much of the track any crown or banking, and there was no drainage at all, so the water got quite deep. They did finish the race but it was the most hilarious F1 race I ever saw. I just happened to see it by accident. I was up late and just about to turn off the TV when here's this F1 race coming on live, so I stayed up much later to watch.
The noise at the beginning even bothers my cats. Your videos never had that before.
Its almost like you saw the "debates" I was having over the differences between conditions for F3, 2 and 1 over the weekend on WTF1's Facebook lol, awesome content as always!
I felt like i was fighting a damn war on Twitter. the responses in almost any tweet during saturday on F1 Twitter were absolute fucking cancer.
F1 Twitter is almost always cancerous, but Saturday was especially aids.
@@animeholictops1225 It actually really frustrates me that so much of the F1 community is just a toxic cesspit. I love the sport and want to talk about it with people, but so often its just idiots shouting idiotic things... Im glad I have a Discord server where I can talk F1 and its mostly toxic free...
A big issue these days are the parc fermé rules, if they were allowed to change setup they could most likely have run fp3 and qualy with a rain setup and still raced on sunday. Since that's not allowed there's very little wet running these days.
No they couldn’t have, because the Helicopter couldn’t fly. If the helicopter can’t fly, the cars aren’t coming out of the garage
I got a weird Diet Coke add halfway through the video
There is a very famous story of an F1 driver who thought it was too wet to race. Not enough drivers agreed, so the race continued. He had an accident and got terrible burns.
Hey could you do a video explaining the haas penalties and what makes telling them to stop on the formation lap different to mid race.
Finally we see the Bear's face
They should change the qualli format when its wet. If all the cars followed a safety car around the track until there was a dry line, then they go into the pits and get let out 4 or 5 at a time, that would be awesome. i don't know if that would leave time to do knockout qualli but it would put a lot of focus on the driver and since they don't have to worry about mist as much, they can potentially push more
I just want to add that the composition of the rubber is also different for the slick/intermediate/wet. To accommodate the ranges of temperatures encountered duribg these conditions.
I never understood why f1 doesn’t get the support vehicles out on the track during these rain delays to help keep the water from pooling. It’s done in other series quite often.
Truly accurate analogy for water dispersion by the tires with that can there, ChainBear. 😂
5 sec explanation: It isnt the 90s anymore.
i think the sun-glasses visor can help the driver see better in the rain during the race. not as hard as we can see on tv.
The 2011 Canadian GP was insane!
All I heard was "tracks aren't designed to correctly drain water during rainstorms". I have every really thought about the helicopter issue though. It'd be nice if they clarified why the weather was to bad. "Conditions unacceptable for medivac" or "visibility too low" or "standing water on track is excessive".
The segment of you drinking diet coke is pure gold hahahaha
Thats chugging was hilarious.
I love this channel! Thanks chain bear 🐻
He payed for that bit with a massive brain freeze
They've definitely become more cautious after Jules Bianchi's accident.
In the 2007 🇪🇺 race that was shown, that crane wouldn't be allowed anywhere on track until a safety car had been both deployed and the cars are behind it, same goes for the Marshalls as well.
i think you need to look up the definition of a "crane"
5:07 oh the face of regret hahaha
5mms geez? Extra height off ground fam ? 5 millimetres? Eeee! Fukin hell m8
Why can’t F1 race when it’s very wet? One simple awnser, when you can hit full throttle on the straight because of aquaplaning, stop the session.
I know it's an aesthetic choice, but the cam pulleys in chainbear's logo should be twice as big as the crank pulley, not the other way around. So as drawn, the cams spin twice as fast as they should.
Interesting video. I am impressed by your knowledge and your editing skills. It would be fun to see how you make these videos and escpecially the graphics.
Thanks. Great video!
the poor visibility, is more than enough to stop a race, nice video
I just had a thought... studded tires on a frozen track.
I feel like SPA 2021 should have answered this question! Cause what a “race”
Abolishing the post-qualifying parc ferme might help, as it does not force drivers to drive in wet-weather with a dry setup and vise versa.
That’s why teams have to make sacrifices. If the race is going to be wet, you apply a wet setup, and accept that you’re going to struggle in quali, and vise versa. Without Parc Ferme, the quali car and race car would be completely different, and that’s boring.
OOh! I like the new intro! Great video as well, as always :D