Got this one on my feed again and thoroughly enjoyed it again 2nd time around . Qld australia we fly to 1100k and further and the biggest tip is .. tired pigeons dont win races . Thanks again Frank. Top igeon man 👍
is Barley good for tropical countries or hot weather climates? some would say barley warms pigeon's body, that makes them thirsty & exhausted. is that true?
Hello again, Frank, I love your videos! I was watching the results from the 500 after this video was done. Did you lose 321 or did she just come home very late, or did you decide not to ship her?
Because of the heavy smoke along the race course to end the season I retired 321. She should be a very beneficial breeder for me. She won two combines against the wind which was amazing.
Thanks Frank for sharing and congrats on the great race results! I have a separate question if you don't mind: do you think it's necessary and helpful to pull 9th and 10th flights for YB season or it's just fine to race on natural system? Thanks! - Lawrence
I usually do not pull flights because I do not concentrate on racing young. I have a convention this fall and many of the pigeons will be molting the ninth and tenth flight at that time of the year. I will pull the ninth and tenth on the convention birds so the birds are not at a disadvantage. My suggestion would be to pull the flights so your pigeons will be more competitive at the end of the season.
Best to start when they drop the first flight. They are now molting the wing normally and I begin. I cut the tip of the ninth flight when they drop the first flight and pull the flight ten days to two weeks later. You can certainly start later if you have time for the feathers to grow back.
Hi Frank, just listened to this one a third time and wondered about barley. Do you mix the depuritive feed with barley for the celibate hens between races?
Hey Frank, Question for you. When you feed the Energy and Traditional mix on the day of shipping, considering you feed very light most of the times and the two mixes mentioned above are very heavy on proteins and fats, I would assume the bird gain extra weight going into the race truck. What are your thoughts?
The pigeons do not gain any weight with a day of fat seeds or a day and a half of fat seeds. If I fed the fat seeds for three days they would put on too much bulk. No noticeable change in body weight feeding the fat seeds right before shipping. It is a fine line to give them the added fat reserves without adding extra bulk to the pigeons.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons Great Thanks Frank! I try not to feed legumes (peas) on the last three days of the week including day of shipping, it has worked very well for me. Looks like you feed them and results are outstanding.
Frank the young bird racing starts in 1 week Saturday boxing Sunday liberation its 60 miles can you help with the training leading up to the race I have the feeding down pack.
Hi Kevin, It is tough to say. What have you done so far for training? How is the body weight?. They should fly an hour training toss the day before shipping.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons I have 18 of which the most are extremely light and buoyant coming in really good I only have 3 that I find a bit skinny as there is very little meat and a sharp keel. I've given them 4 30 mile tosses from last week to yesterday prior to that they were ranging for an hour before I started short tosses
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons I must say I've started racing training hard and had no success only to realize with your teachings I've been sending fat pigeons. Your the only help I've gotten 100 that works and I appreciate that
Hello Pieter, I am not sure how well the Salmonella vaccines work because some vaccinated pigeons still come down with Salmonella. I still use the vaccines. I would look in the chicken industry and see if you can find a chicken salmonella vaccinate that can be placed in the water or on feed or given direct to the pigeons. This will offer some immunity. Over time if you work towards natural immunity and use less antibiotics the pigeons will become more immune to salmonella. Chickens, pigeons etc carry salmonella but if they are not stressed, have space and care is excellent salmonella is not too much of a problem.
Good morning Mr mclaughlin when you say feed havy Wednesday and Thursday i saw your video 11oz for 30 birds so when you havy do you go twice times or one and a half just to get it clear
Hi Kevin, When I feed for the long distance the day of shipping and maybe the day before shipping I give all they want. They probably eat three times the normal day amount of the fat seeds. My can I use holds about 25 ounces of depurative for 30 birds. That is fed daily but I do feed very heavy and all they can eat when I am loading fat. My 30 hens will eat maybe two or nearly three cans full of fat seeds on day of shipping for long races.
My club is running the International Federation of Racing Pigeons Convention. Fanciers from around the country sent pigeons in for the combine members to handle. We will have a convention race early November. With the help of my brother I am handling pigeons for the race.www.ifpigeon.com/2020-convention-info.html
The convention birds are being handled by multiple pigeon fanciers in both the Southern New England Combine and the Boston Concourse. If will be a big race with many handlers.
I never loft fly the pigeons once the road training begins. I usually race the birds and give only two training tosses per week. I do most everything with proper feeding. Watch my Playlist series on Feeding. You will like it.
I feed the barley mix day of shipping for short distance races. Watch my feeding for Long Distance Video. I feed fat seeds for up to a day and a half on some for long distance.
Like an "S" curve in the neck? Years ago, some Birmingham Rollers appeared with distinct S curved necks. In that instance, it was found to be a simple Mendelian recessive gene. In otherwords, it was genetic. Unless you are interested in genetics, I would not keep it and I'd also be watchful of the parents, especially if the parents are related.
Are you talking about pigeons that have had Paramyxo Virus or PMV? They will be Okay to breed after they recover but the necks will never be perfect. They will be immune to PMV for life.
@Abcloft302™️ Frank is right. It could also be PMV. If the bird was born with the twist in the neck, it's likely genetic. That sort of thing is called "Wry Neck" in poultry and it is very common in some breeds. It is much less common in pigeons, but it does appear from time to time. But, if the bird just suddenly developed it, it's likely PMV. You also tend to see tremors and weird mannerisms if the bird tries to fly. I've seen PMV afflicted birds fly backward, in addition to spinning in weird circles on the ground. Sometimes they'll walk around with their neck so skewed that they'll carry the head upside down. They used to call it "vertigo" in many older pigeon books. Birds can recover from PMV if they can manage to keep eating and drinking. Though they'll always display some side effect of the disease, as Frank mentions, they can reproduce and their offspring tend to have immunity. Personally, I think it's a good practice to segregate birds that show anything wrong with them. You can then send a fecal sample from the bird to most state university veterinary labs for analysis and they can often diagnose the issue from the droppings if it's disease related. I think that would be a good idea in your situation.
This works super for me. Pigeons that fly many hours on the wing need rest after the flight. Too many are exercising nearly immediately after return. Once pigeons are racing, if fed correctly, they do not need much training.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons good morning Mr Mclaughlin I have two races coming up 109 miles and 130 miles would that feed work and be considered short distance .
As always Frank, you are the best! Results speak for themselves, 321 and all!
Thank you. You are too nice!
Awesome advice the proofs in the winning congrats Frank.
Thank you!
Got this one on my feed again and thoroughly enjoyed it again 2nd time around . Qld australia we fly to 1100k and further and the biggest tip is .. tired pigeons dont win races . Thanks again Frank. Top igeon man 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Happy you like my videos.
Thanks for the additional insights.
Congratulations Frank!
Congratulations on the win. Great informative vid
Glad you enjoyed it
thanks for all the info frankie
You bet!
Congratulations on the win. Hope you win the 500
Thank you!
Tanks for the video.
You're welcome
Congratulations and thank you for the tips 🎉
Congratulations
Brilliant videos
You are too nice but Thank you!
Great video ❤
Congratulations 🍾
Thank you!!
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Congratulations Frank. So on days the hens are resting do you keep them out in the aviary or inside the loft?
If you watch the tour of my celibate hen loft the hens are out in the small aviary each day all day after I feed them in the morning.
is Barley good for tropical countries or hot weather climates? some would say barley warms pigeon's body, that makes them thirsty & exhausted. is that true?
Barley will be super in your climate. Those are all myths about barley warming the bird and making them thirsty.
CONGRATS .
Hello again, Frank, I love your videos! I was watching the results from the 500 after this video was done. Did you lose 321 or did she just come home very late, or did you decide not to ship her?
Because of the heavy smoke along the race course to end the season I retired 321. She should be a very beneficial breeder for me. She won two combines against the wind which was amazing.
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Thanks Frank for sharing and congrats on the great race results! I have a separate question if you don't mind: do you think it's necessary and helpful to pull 9th and 10th flights for YB season or it's just fine to race on natural system? Thanks! - Lawrence
I usually do not pull flights because I do not concentrate on racing young. I have a convention this fall and many of the pigeons will be molting the ninth and tenth flight at that time of the year. I will pull the ninth and tenth on the convention birds so the birds are not at a disadvantage. My suggestion would be to pull the flights so your pigeons will be more competitive at the end of the season.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons Thanks very much for your suggestion! Much appreciated!
Good evening Mr Mc Laughlin I wanted to find out at what age do they cut the 9th and 10th flights for birds born early in the year thank you.
Best to start when they drop the first flight. They are now molting the wing normally and I begin. I cut the tip of the ninth flight when they drop the first flight and pull the flight ten days to two weeks later. You can certainly start later if you have time for the feathers to grow back.
Hi Frank, just listened to this one a third time and wondered about barley. Do you mix the depuritive feed with barley for the celibate hens between races?
I use the barley with grain or just 100% depurative
Good morning Mr Mclaughlin garvo pigeon feed is it a good feed whats your thoughts on this feed
I am sorry that I am not familiar with the Garvo feed. Can you send more info on the feed or a link so I can see it?
Hey Frank, Question for you.
When you feed the Energy and Traditional mix on the day of shipping, considering you feed very light most of the times and the two mixes mentioned above are very heavy on proteins and fats, I would assume the bird gain extra weight going into the race truck.
What are your thoughts?
The pigeons do not gain any weight with a day of fat seeds or a day and a half of fat seeds. If I fed the fat seeds for three days they would put on too much bulk. No noticeable change in body weight feeding the fat seeds right before shipping. It is a fine line to give them the added fat reserves without adding extra bulk to the pigeons.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons Great Thanks Frank!
I try not to feed legumes (peas) on the last three days of the week including day of shipping, it has worked very well for me.
Looks like you feed them and results are outstanding.
I am not a fan of legumes before the race but there are some in the fat seeds that I give.
Frank the young bird racing starts in 1 week Saturday boxing Sunday liberation its 60 miles can you help with the training leading up to the race I have the feeding down pack.
Hi Kevin, It is tough to say. What have you done so far for training? How is the body weight?. They should fly an hour training toss the day before shipping.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons I have 18 of which the most are extremely light and buoyant coming in really good I only have 3 that I find a bit skinny as there is very little meat and a sharp keel. I've given them 4 30 mile tosses from last week to yesterday prior to that they were ranging for an hour before I started short tosses
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons I must say I've started racing training hard and had no success only to realize with your teachings I've been sending fat pigeons. Your the only help I've gotten 100 that works and I appreciate that
I hope you have success and will do better and better once you send the pigeons with proper better weight.
Thanks a lot, in S.A we have issues with Salmonella but vacines are nit easy accesable, any other ways treating salmonella?
Hello Pieter, I am not sure how well the Salmonella vaccines work because some vaccinated pigeons still come down with Salmonella. I still use the vaccines. I would look in the chicken industry and see if you can find a chicken salmonella vaccinate that can be placed in the water or on feed or given direct to the pigeons. This will offer some immunity. Over time if you work towards natural immunity and use less antibiotics the pigeons will become more immune to salmonella. Chickens, pigeons etc carry salmonella but if they are not stressed, have space and care is excellent salmonella is not too much of a problem.
Thank you sir
Good morning Mr mclaughlin when you say feed havy Wednesday and Thursday i saw your video 11oz for 30 birds so when you havy do you go twice times or one and a half just to get it clear
Hi Kevin, When I feed for the long distance the day of shipping and maybe the day before shipping I give all they want. They probably eat three times the normal day amount of the fat seeds. My can I use holds about 25 ounces of depurative for 30 birds. That is fed daily but I do feed very heavy and all they can eat when I am loading fat. My 30 hens will eat maybe two or nearly three cans full of fat seeds on day of shipping for long races.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons thanks for the information appreciated 👍
Do you have red bar for sale?
I have a super nice red bar (Silver) young Staf Van Reet cock. Email me Frank@McLaughlinLofts.com
I have a question in your past videos i heard you refere to some of the birds you keep as convention birds... What are convention birds?
My club is running the International Federation of Racing Pigeons Convention. Fanciers from around the country sent pigeons in for the combine members to handle. We will have a convention race early November. With the help of my brother I am handling pigeons for the race.www.ifpigeon.com/2020-convention-info.html
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons is that like orl but amongst the ma combine members ?
The convention birds are being handled by multiple pigeon fanciers in both the Southern New England Combine and the Boston Concourse. If will be a big race with many handlers.
how often do you loft fly your birds?
I never loft fly the pigeons once the road training begins. I usually race the birds and give only two training tosses per week. I do most everything with proper feeding. Watch my Playlist series on Feeding. You will like it.
What happened to 80% barely before a race?
I feed the barley mix day of shipping for short distance races. Watch my feeding for Long Distance Video. I feed fat seeds for up to a day and a half on some for long distance.
Do pigeons with twisted necks survive or should be eliminated??
Like an "S" curve in the neck? Years ago, some Birmingham Rollers appeared with distinct S curved necks. In that instance, it was found to be a simple Mendelian recessive gene. In otherwords, it was genetic. Unless you are interested in genetics, I would not keep it and I'd also be watchful of the parents, especially if the parents are related.
Are you talking about pigeons that have had Paramyxo Virus or PMV? They will be Okay to breed after they recover but the necks will never be perfect. They will be immune to PMV for life.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons should I get it away from the rest of flock ?
@Abcloft302™️ Frank is right. It could also be PMV. If the bird was born with the twist in the neck, it's likely genetic. That sort of thing is called "Wry Neck" in poultry and it is very common in some breeds. It is much less common in pigeons, but it does appear from time to time. But, if the bird just suddenly developed it, it's likely PMV. You also tend to see tremors and weird mannerisms if the bird tries to fly. I've seen PMV afflicted birds fly backward, in addition to spinning in weird circles on the ground. Sometimes they'll walk around with their neck so skewed that they'll carry the head upside down. They used to call it "vertigo" in many older pigeon books. Birds can recover from PMV if they can manage to keep eating and drinking. Though they'll always display some side effect of the disease, as Frank mentions, they can reproduce and their offspring tend to have immunity. Personally, I think it's a good practice to segregate birds that show anything wrong with them. You can then send a fecal sample from the bird to most state university veterinary labs for analysis and they can often diagnose the issue from the droppings if it's disease related. I think that would be a good idea in your situation.
I just lost one of your birds 😢😢
That stinks but it happens.
Most of us don't Train like you we Train a hour a day. Seems many feed like you and have had disasters
This works super for me. Pigeons that fly many hours on the wing need rest after the flight. Too many are exercising nearly immediately after return. Once pigeons are racing, if fed correctly, they do not need much training.
I'm trying to share the link but not getting through but the name of the link is Garvo
5581 prestige racing
Looks like a nice feed. Not too high in protein or fats. Good for short distance racing if you cannot get a high quality barley.
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons good morning Mr Mclaughlin I have two races coming up 109 miles and 130 miles would that feed work and be considered short distance .
That feed will work but can you get good quality barley?
@@FrankMcLaughlinPigeons yes I can get high quality barley
Better to use the barley in your mix.