Music Snob's thoughts on Mike Portnoy rejoining Dream Theater
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Mike Portnoy rejoined Dream Theater this Wednesday and the metal community has been LIT UP! I tell you my thoughts on what this means for Dream Theater moving forward.
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I’m sad for Mangini. He seemed like such a sweetheart and his drumming is otherworldly. Glad MP is back, but it’s bittersweet. Wonder if MM will go back to teaching at Berklee. If I remember correctly, he only wrote Room 137. He’s been teasing his record for a while now. He released the first single 3 weeks ago.
Thats's basically how I feel about it.
You seem to be assuming Mangini was more or less forced out. Given how relentless DT's touring and recording schedule is, maybe he genuinely wanted to step down.
@@Beefnhammer uh no. But again like Mike said it’s not like he could say no.
It feels bittersweet because mangini is awesome, and it's sad and it feels a little rude to replace him, as if he isn't important. But i think we all understand that portnoy is part of the DNA of dream theater, more so than half of the current members, so even though mangini is great, nothing can replace mike portnoy WITHIN the band Dream Theater.
I’m at berklee, I’m gonna have to keep an eye out for him… lol
Mangini never deserved any of the hate that he got. He had an impossible job to fill, and he did it justice. While yes, the feel of DT was a bit different during that era of the band, you cannot deny that he came in humble, he played humble, he left humble, and respect that he deserves is immeasurable.
That being said, the announcement of MP's return fell on my birthday, and while I wasn't balling my eyes out, it definitely left me speechless. The band that shaped so much of my musical development as a musician in general and a drummer regaining such a powerful influence as MP again is so big. Outside of the writing process, MP was a huge part of the mixing architecture and the overall sound of the band. Time will tell with what comes out next, but my hopes are high
Considering how big a monster of a drummer Mike Mangini is, you're right the amount of hate thrown his was ridiculous. Nah, not good enough! Are you kidding me?
He got hate because he didn't fill Portnoy's shoes basically, an impossible task. He did what was asked of him. Apparently he didn't even program the drum lines, Petrucci did. He most likely wasn't asked or expected to contribute to the album writing or production.
I love them both n all...
But Tbh I found Manginis drumming to be more interesting technically and musically than Portnoys in the later part of his first DT era (post Octavarium). It was kinda samey at that point and Mangini coming in really reinvigorated the bands sound for me 🤷♀️
And the whole robot thing? You're criticising him for being... PRECISE? Fanboys gotta cope, I guess
@@richardharris9708John programmed the drum lines for ADTOE... Because they didn't have a drummer at that point and needed something to record to and use as a template for how the song would sound
DT was LUCKY to have 2 Talented Drummers.
Mangini was a Great Professional and Class Act.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I choose to believe that if Mangini really wanted to continue with them, they would have let him stay. I think the most likely scenario is, after 13 years of DT's very demanding touring and recording schedule, Mangini was somewhat indifferent about the future with them and was like "I'll stay if you guys need me to stay, but if Portnoy wants back in, I'll gladly step aside".
Very well could of been that
@@coreyyates3385have course it could of
Probably the most likely scenario frankly
He did an online interview a few weeks ago where he looks very sad when asked what's next with DT. ruclips.net/video/XxjX0VKo0NM/видео.htmlsi=peZABXBFnar0LXZB&t=2923
Choosing to believe something you made up in your head with no evidence is absolutely being naïve
It's bittersweet, I feel like Mangini had finally been fully integrated into the band, his work on the last two records DoT and View, I thought was incredible. I was blown away by his skills live and I always thought they did him a little dirty in the studio. This feels like the same gut punch I felt when I first heard Portnoy was leaving the band. Didn't see this coming at all, especially after all the members had been telling the fans to more or less "drop it" whenever they brought up Portnoy.
Mangini is a class act in this whole situation. But I feel bad for him. He deserves a lot of credit and I personally will be following whatever he does next, his first two solo album singles are great and I already preordered that, excited to hear the rest of it.
All this being said, I can't wait to see and hear Portnoy playing with DT again!! Really hope that he brings back the spark that revitalizes the soul of DT to create something truly special with this next album. Also can't wait to hear Portnoys take on some Mangini songs.
This is a similar situation that Van Halen had. The David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar saga. I love both ERAS. We are lucky that we had both. Same with DT drummers situation.
Petrucci an a-hole and entitled.
Always has been.
You forget to mention when he made ammends with Labrie. That was a key moment as the two hadn't spoken for years and it was obvious that Labrie was hurt with his attitude towards him. Without Labrie getting in good terms with him this couldn't had been possible.
And Mangini has been touting his solo album for weeks. And putting a lot of work on his online courses for months. That gives you something to think about the timing of this :)
LaBrie sucks. I've always loved DT, great musicians and all, but LaBrie kinda ruins it for me most of the time. They need a better vocalist for sure.
Too bad Labrat couldn’t leave the band and get someone like Jelusick
@@VincentKarabouladMusiqueoh shut up 🤬
@@eddieroxxyou suck
@@Enigmalakeoh 🤬
Wait, why dont we talk about Mike working with A7X? I thought his drumming was outstanding in the Nightmare album and one of the reasons it was as big as it was. I love A7X and The Rev, but that sound with Portnoy was so, SO clean. So cohesive and defined. Save Me being the main track im referring to. Such a masterclass in performance from Mike that i dont see many people talking about.
It had some drama in it that's kinda awkward. That is why.
Well, one of the reason Mike left DT was b3cause he thought he was going to join A7X as a more permanent position. Which the guys in Avenged shot down and didn't want him to leave DT as it was just a tribute to the Rev for him to fill in on the record and the tour. Or so I've heard... some old interviews with the avenged guys talk about this...
I also thought that the drum writing by the Rev was done by the time he died but it had not been tracked yet and so when they asked portnoy to play I think it was to finish tracking revs parts and then he played on the nightmare tour I saw them when they came to Phoenix. I never thought it was a main reason why he left dream theater tho
Portnoy wanted DT to be on hiatus so he could help A7X out but the rest of DT wanted to carry on, so they hired Mangini. Portnoy then thought he would be a permanent A7X member, they gab him the boot, and he asked DT to join back but they obviously refused.
Drumming on nightmare was quite bland compared to their previous records
I love that Portnoy is coming back. My only struggle is that Labrie has gone down in vocal skill (just a sign of old age i guess) so i would be excited to see another vocalist on top of their game
Imagine Devin Townsend as dream theaters vocalist
Saw both Dream Theater and Devin a couple months ago in Redmond, WA. Amazing show. Labrie can still sing, although the lane of his voice is narrower than it used to be. When he stays out of the higher octavess live, still killer.
I really don't see Devin with them at all. His interests are completely different and his catalog just as extensive. Not a fit. His voice is not a match up with what Labrie has layed down, either. Distinctly different sound and approach.
Love them both.
Myles Kennedy would be a great fit
I would argue it's the register the melodies are written in.... Petrucci writes most of the vocal melodies and programs most of the drums during Mangini's era and asks him to play what's been programmed....on Labrie's solo records, his vocals sound BADASS...he writes his own melodies in his own vocal sweet spot where he's got tons of power but it's not too high. I think what we love about DT with MP is he wrote the drums so there's a collaborative element that's not there when Petrucci programs the drums and asks someone to play what he programs...he writes drums like a guitarist....and unbelievable guitarist but still a guitarist. I saw them in July, and on the songs that were in Labrie's wheelhouse he crushed...he only sucks on the ones where the vocals are in the mesosphere. Before they fire him, they should do an album where he writes ALL his own vocal melodies. I bet he'd surprise all of us. Check out a Labrie solo album if you haven't.
Agree. I would love to see a younger guy like Dino Jelusick
I never thought he would return…he had so many bands to drum with…can’t wait to see what they do from here
Can't wait!!
At least the Winery Dogs.....may now come to an end?
@@realscience948 Hope he puts out another album with them sometime in the future, but now I'm really glad I caught them earlier this year.
I’m so happy he’s back. And that you’re talking about this
Three immediate thoughts, trying to stay positive.
1. I absolutely adore Mangini. Did it long before his long stint with DT. Maybe, just maybe (Oh, how I wish it so) we will get the chance of hearing Mangini back together with Jeff Waters in Annihilator. A Waters, Padden, Mangini reunion would Blow.My.Mind. I love them so very much.
2. The Astonishing accompanied some of my dearest memories from this here mortal coil and I honestly hold it in my top 3 DT albums. It is not to everyone's taste, but dammit it evokes so many feelings. A new beginning, Heaven's Cove, the entire story arc. One of the best live shows I've ever seen and I've seen them live many times pre Mangini and post Mangini.
3. Portnoy is back were he belongs. The proof will be in the pudding. Give us a new Octavarium-esque life changer of an opus and that shall be that.
Mangini was also magnificent in Extreme! I would love to see him back with those guys honestly!
MP always loved sonically connecting albums… wonder if the next album is going to connect with the previous one or the last one he was in…
Oh wow never new that!!! That makes a ton of sense!
that used to be a thing yes but its the actual reason that octavarium started and ended on the same note they wanted to get away from doing that, it closed the loop
You kinda touched on the question I had on what to expect from their next album. Is it even possible for them to still be innovative and put out a "ground breaking" album in the current landscape of prog metal? Would they even attempt to be that bold? I would hope so.
For me, the new album doesn't have to re-invent the wheel necessarily but I am hoping that the album has some balls to it, like the older DT stuff had. They made some good stuff with Mangini, but their sound definitely softened during that time period.
I don't think they really need to try and "keep up" with modern prog metal. They've been around long enough that they already have an established sound and sonic markers, they're not still chasing anything and don't need to. Anything even close to the level of Octavarium, Six Degrees, Black Clouds or any of the main bulk of portnoy era stuff would be great imo.
@@Beefnhammer Labrie is going to be an issue. I hope HOPE HOPE Labrie gets his act together now that mike is back and that mike somehow makes it so that he will be at least tolerable again.
@@necroplastful Yes you're right about that. His studio vocals are still decent enough but he's horrendous live. He's actually the reason I've never seen them live. But if there's anything we know about Portnoy, it's that he has very high standards, so maybe that'll be the thing that gets James' vocals on an acceptable level.
I think Portnoy coming back will almost certainly rejuvenate the band’s songwriting. Thanks for the video man.
That’s actually something I hadn’t really realized, all the Mangini albums kind of sound similar. It seems like without Portnoy helping the writing, they kind of fell into a rut of not changing much. Those albums also feel much more prog rock with some hints of metal.
Exactly!!
Just recently watched Prog Report's video on Opeth albums with Portnoy and I love it when he talks about why he thinks him and Mikael are such good freinds: both love all kinds of different wild music and love to talk about it. He seems to have that breadth and depth of musical knowledge that probably gave DT an edge in composition. Also, he mentions how him and Mikael "stole" ideas from one another, which is just the cutest and coolest thing ever!
Two of my favorite drummers are Portnoy and Axenrod. Both very intricate and play odd shit. Love Opeth and DT.
I'm really happy MP is back in the band, but LaBrie is just about tapped out vocally, like Geddy Lee in his latter years. Cautious optimism...
Yeah LaBrie doesn't have the power he used to. Sad, but inevitable
Maybe if they get a chance to write new music, they'll allow LaBrie to sing within the range he currently has, instead of expect him to still be able to sing like when he was 20. Not saying the band didn't do that before, but us fans usually want to hear the ol' classics during tours... but maybe with the Portnoy/Petrucci song writing duo being back, maybe fans will enjoy the new material.
It definitely took me off guard, at first I thought it was clickbait lol. Can’t wait for meaning of music part 3 my dude
Illumination Theory is one of my favorite DT songs, primarily due to Mancini’s masterful drumming. Gonna miss him, but happy MPs back
mancini not only a coach but a drummer too?!
I like the MM albums a lot. He will be missed.
I also like the albums on which Mangini drums. Moreover, the recent albums have attracted many new fans who may not necessarily know Portnoy or may not like the older recordings. It will be interesting to see how these new fans will react to Portnoy and his eccentric nature.
I will miss his world class hand and foot speed for sure....he really pushed the rest of the guys to max speed and I loved it...i really feel that he brought some maturity to the band as well... I been following these guys since I was in high school and I really felt it when I heard the news.....I just figured MM would be there til the end, but things do change and i get why portnoy is coming back.
Man, I hope they come through with a new concept album. I was 12 when my dad took me to see them play scenes and I’ve been in love with the idea of larger stories being told through music since
Metropolis Part 3: Victoria's Back, Bitches
"But we don't talk about that"
Dude, I saw Avenged with Portnoy on drums and it was absolutely sick. Thrilled that I got to see that. The drums on Nightmare were Killer.
I honestly preferred Mike Mangini and I really wanted to see the band live with Mangini but at least most of the other fans are happy now
You had 10+ years to act on that friend
But I only started listening to DT last year
@@puttu_racingI prefer Mangini as well, thankfully I got to see them with him 5 times
Guess you'll have to skim over the 13 years of live footage to get your fill@@puttu_racing
What I'm most excited about is getting the Portnoy drum sound back to their production. I actually really like Mangini's style and Dream Theater's sound has evolved in a way that fits his drumming (or he's just a great drummer who has adjusted his style to fit the records), but it's interesting to hear if they go back to their more classic sound or if they keep this modern edge.
He’s baaaaack. Next album is going to be crazy, I’m thinking that it’ll sound more like mid 00’s DT.
I hope so, the latest several albums seem a bit “samey”
@@Prognosis__that was my biggest problem with View from the Top. I love it, and they did explore some new-ish stuff, but it definitely sounded like Mangini-era DT
I honestly hope it is, I love Octavarium and the albums proceeding and preceding it, they are my favourites!
I don't think Mike Mangini's solo record has anything to do with Mike returning to DT. My friend Ivan is playing guitar on Mangini's solo record and it's been worked on for a long time! But yeah, this is certanily crazy news!
Great video. Of the dozen or so videos on this topic I've watched in the past two days, this is the best. For me, it's gonna be most interesting to hear how Portnoy plays the Mangini-era songs (still note-for-note, or will he change it up slightly?).
Thank you for the praise!
And I never considered that!!! It will be interesting to see how he accomodates Mangini's parts
MP is NOWHERE near the technical ability of MM. He’ll do his own thing for sure. I still prefer the feel MP has over MM, so I’m very excited that he’s back.
I’ve heard from someone who saw DT this year that MM looked bored and wasn’t his usual self, so it was most probably a mutual decision.
I don't think MP is capable of playing MM's parts verbatim. I'm sure he will modify them to his own style.
I’ve loved the Mangini era, and “A View From the Top of the World” was one of my favorite DT albums, but I think you did a great job of summarizing what was so special about the Portnoy albums. Excited to hear what they do with him back in the fold!
VIEW is a very good album
I don't mind Portnoy being back in Dream Theater. However Mangini joining the band was probably the best thing that ever happened to them as he helped breathe a fresh new life into the band and his work with the band was incredible in his own right.
Never visited your channel before but I really enjoyed your comical/sarcastic (and accurate) recap of the Portnoy/Dream Theater reunion. Personally, I absolutely LOVED this news!!! With all due respect to Mangini, Portnoy IS Dream Theater and I can't wait to see them live together again! Btw, I've met Mike Portnoy twice. Great guy
I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm one of those people that kind of fell off of the DT train once MP left, so I can't comment much on their music past ADTOE, which is the last album of theirs I really dug into and enjoyed for the most part. But I just hope that it was all mutual between everyone involved. It does come as a sudden decision to boot Mangini after over a decade of him being in the band, but at the same time, I felt like the heart and soul of DT left when Portnoy exited the band. So, it is what it is. It's exciting news, to be sure, but we'll have to wait and see how their next album turns out. At least I can confidently say that I'll be checking it out this time around unlike their past few albums.
I’ve always felt that Portnoy was the person making the songs more accessible to regular music lovers. Rudess’ influence seems to make it weirder and stranger and in the Mangini era Rudess seemed to not have a balancing influence
I'm pretty excited to have him back, Mangini is one of the most talented drummers on the planet but there's something about the chemistry between Petrucci and Portnoy that elevated their music to another level for me
It helps to know your writing partner for nearly 40 years. They probably know how to make certain sections of a song without even speaking a word.
Thanks!
Mangini was just fed off by the fans. Hating on him plays, called no-groove-robot, constantly compared with Portnoy every single second for 13 years. I mean he's one of a kind drummer with many distinctions, but the fans are never get enough of that Portnoy back.
Then recently Petrucci's solo and LTE 3 happened, he saw the old fans lovin it, and decided to let that opportunity of nostalgia for the fans. How can you hate him? Such a wholehearted guy with big character.
I'm really grateful that it's him filling the hole in 2010. Wish him the very best for whatever he's up post-DT.
I’m super excited at the thought that I could go see the line up I grew up with! I’m going to buy tickets ASAP! Mangini is a machine and I respect him greatly, but I grew up learning all Portnoy's drum parts, I only got to meet him once at a clinic, but he left a lasting impression on me. Thanks Mike, I'm glad you're back. Mangini is amazing, but to me there's no one like you 😊
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#TooSoon
19:08 is EXACTLY how I felt about "A view from the top of the World"
For me only becoming an active listener after 2017 I really got into them with Octavarium. Then when I felt I had wrapped around that and wanted something different but still challenging I jumped into the Astonishing, not knowing any story behind it, and I really digged some of it (especially three days). Then I understood what it was about and tried to take the time listening to it front to end. After that it left me with the same feeling Octavarium did, sort of like the emptiness after finishing a great movie, wanting more but knowing there isn't.
Then came Distance over time and it didn't fill that void, but it also didn't try. It felt like it was meant to be somewhat "easier" to the ear, very pleasing to the ear (especially the fall into the light melodic solo part).
Then "a view from the top of the world" came out and for me it was dissappointing. It was neither easy to the ear as distance over time nor did it match the emotional and composing richness of Octavarium and Astonishing.
Conclusively: seeing someone who was a big part of writing Octavarium come back is a great sign, especially since other prog bands' styles (Polyphia and Periphery) really tend to bore me.
Excellent vid Mike! I would equate this to Chris DeGarmo reuniting with Queensryche while Geoff Tate was still in the band (in theory). I think Mike Portnoy had a good deal of influence on the songwriting, if not the direction of DT musically. MP was credited in over 60+ DT songs. I'm excited to hear what comes of this reunion. I've followed Portnoy quite closely since he left, and he many incredible projects he was part of since. He's a big historian, and obviously an absolute monster of a drummer, so yeah, having him back is a big positive. MP was credited in over 60+ DT songs.
Mike Mangini publicly has handled everything with such class and grace. It cannot be emphasized enough what gentleman he is, and how Dream Theater was so grateful to continue on with him in the band. He's an absolute monster behind the kit! I'm also excited to hear what he comes up with next, and hopefully he will have many side projects as well. Mike Mangini has at least 13 songwriting credits on Dream Theater songs, so his input in the band wasn't simply to keep the seat warm. He contributed to the sound of the band, and I enjoyed that era of DT.
Pretty pumped about this news, and didn't see it coming. I agree with you on everything about it, especially regarding Mangini and the best Dream Theater era. Thanks for covering this!
Love you
Dude, I didn't know you were into Dream Theater, Xygor! You have good taste in music AND video games, dude!
Thank you for this content. I'm surprised though, that you didn't mention MP's work with Neal Morse, and especially Similitude of a Dream and The Great Adventure. Those are two amazing works and MP has quite a bit involvement with writing direction and arrangement in both of them. Similitude is his best work (he proclaims) of his career. As I've gotten older, I've appreciated more that style of music. They're all well capable of doing crazy virtuosic things, but they pick and choose where that content goes and they play for the songs. DT has done that a little more in recent times but I just thing it was worth mentioning. I believe DT is yet to go on and still create some of their best works and with getting MP back, I believe this will invigorate them to do just that.
I bought a meet and greet with the band when they played at the Tabernacle in Atlanta back around 2003 ish. Meeting Portnoy and Petrucci was one of the coolest things ever and I have some great pics of me with the band. I am so excited for this news.
When hearing the news I quickly checked Portnoy's twitter for the first time in ages and saw that he left the platform in protest and I was quickly reminded of... melodrama... Celebrity walled gardens don't look so hot in the age of influencer access. Mustaine figured it out, hopefully Portnoy does too. That aside, as an IaW/Awake/SFAM era fan boy I'm already looking forward to the next release more than any since SFAM. I was a fan of Mangini before DT, and will be always, and I look forward to what he does next. IMO this is nothing but a huge opportunity for him to continue his chain of success.
I became a fan as 6 degrees come out, my first album I got into was Scenes, and loved it. I feel as you put it, the Rudess/Portnoy era was the best, all those albums are epic. But my favourite album is actually Falling into Infinity (I know, someone’s gonna throw tomatoes at me). As for the Mangini albums, he’s great as a drummer, but I feel there was something missing with the writing. Glad Portnoy is back, let’s see if they can wow me like they did before, I’m hopeful
Your analysis is TOP NOTCH, spot-on and highly music-based.
Congrats from a musician and DT fan since 1994
Just listened to some leaked songs off of Mangini’s solo album and so far they have all been brutal diss tracks on each member of dream theater 💀
First of all, I'm pretty sure I remember hearing about the Mangini solo album a little while BEFORE the news of Portnoy rejoining DT. But I'm also quite sure that Mr. Mangini Has and WILL have PLENTY of other things to do. But I DO appreciate what he "did for us in our time of need," so I say we just "thank him for his service," and hope the things will now be getting back to normal. Well, normal for DREAM THEATER, anyway...!...
Yeah, Mangini started talking about his solo album in interviews as far back as 2 years ago.
The really interesting tidbit no one mentioned yet (from what I see) is... there most definitely has been at least one jam session with all of them to test the waters and see what the "new DT" will sound like... and if we know MP, he most definitely recorded it... (starts to put hacker hat on...)
The one person's thoughts I wanted to hear more than anyone else!
I'm hoping when they put out new music, they go out on tour with Opeth. Two of my favorite prog bands that I have yet to see live.
That would be sick. Would absolutely attend that show
Took the words right outta my mouth. ADTOE is my favorite record from them as well!
Man, MM will be sorely missed, it seemed like Mangini in DOT and A View gelled and grooved 500% more with the band, and i would've loved to hear one last album with him. The most humblest, funniest, jolliest, and nicest drummer that i know of 🙏
ADTOE and View are my absolute favorites from the entire catalog.
I liked Portnoy on Images and Awake, but after that it was the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.
Part of me think they'll regret the decision and invite Mangini back.
@@danlc95…for an anniversary show. There’s no way in hell they’re backtracking on a founding member (then again, I never would have thought they would bring MP as a member)
I bought ADTOE expecting something new but the production (namely the drums) were underwhelming and overall boring.
Question, why wasn’t “A change of seasons” not on your list? Just curious.
Thanks to Mike Mangini. 13 years of smart work with Dream Theater. Welcome Mike Portnoy back to the Dream Theater home. working back 40 years. I welcome Dream Theater's latest work. awesome. 😎👍
I've hung out with both Mikes and JP (on separate occasions), and I can confirm that they are all the nicest people you'll ever meet. I wish them all the best. MP in DT feels right though.
Spot on commentary and speculation! Great stuff!
Still very shocked to hear this looking forward to their next album with Portnoy! ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
I think the timing was right for that to happen! Can't wait to hear the next DT album! And I'll agree with you on Systematic Chaos. It is underrated! I freaking love this album and I think it has the best drum sound. The snare bro! The snare! 😆
seeing any of the documentaries about the recording of their albums is clear how Portnoy was the main creative director and guided a lot of the song directions, happy for what they would create next
Your thoughts are spot on! The Astonishing is my favorite concept albums. I can't wait to hear the new album!
I became a Dream Theater fan right around when MP left so I never had the chance to see him with DT live. While I fully respect and admire Mangini's work and work ethic during his 13 year stint with DT, I am SO excited for MP returning. The Mangini era of albums are fun listens but they sound like JP's material with sprinkles of everyone else's input. MP 's songwriting perfectly complemented and balanced out JP's during that 1999-2010 run of banger after banger album.
Really interesting point about MP being more in the know with what's new in the prog and metal scene. It certainly helps that his son is the same way. I loved the Austin Dreamsonic show this past summer and I would love to see Dreamsonic 24 bring on Periphery and Polyphia to help diversify the band's image, palette, and maybe even attract new fans.
I saw them in maybe 2003 in Boston and ironically, Mike Mangini (a Boston native) joined Mike Portnoy on stage for the drum solo.
I got into DT around the time Mike left too, but now that he's back, I have the chance to see my favorite DT lineup live which is a great feeling. My favorite concert I've been to was when I was DT in 2022, Mangini did a great job though, and was faithful to the Portnoy tracks, I'm sad to see him go, but man, I'm just so pumped that Portnoy's back.
The perfect drummer would be a combination of Mangini's speed and precision together with Portnoy's groove and creativity. They should have a baby...
The best analysis on Portnoy coming back, and I've watched several videos on the news.
They should have done like King Crimson and have two or three drummers. KC sounds really badass with several drummers.
I would love to see them push forward and innovate as they did in the "Rudess Era" of your chart, not some "member berry" stuff. It's not hard to guess that they will probably follow a Scenes from a Memory template, but I hope they make it sound more contemporary.
Can someone find the footage where it was asserted that Mangini was meant to be permanent? That's what I remember.
I'm looking forward to the next album. I think MP will bring a lot back to the band that has been missing with JP running the show. Two other projects of note that MP was deeply involved with during the absence is Neal Morse Band which was a more collaborative, band effort from NM solo stuff. It is arguably some of MP's best drumming. Also Flying Colors was some excellent stuff.
My good buddy works for Clair Bros. (IYKYK) and was the monitor engineer for DT on the A Dramatic Turn of Events tour and I was lucky enough to watch the show in Austin at Bass Hall from JP's side of the stage just behind monitor position. Got to shoot the shit with the band after the show for a few short minutes, the were completely chill. During the show, I was able to listen to all the different band members in ear mixes. While most had what I would consider a typical mix, JP was all band with loads of guitar and barely a hint of vocal. Having said all of that, I'm kind of surprised that Portnoy is back. I am cautiously optimistic that it sticks and I am looking forward to the next DT adventure.
Dude totally jumped over A Change of Seasons. ;-) I actually really liked the last album. However, I never listened to LTE 3 until today. I completely understand why they brought him back.
can't wait to watch mike plays mike's drum parts throughout the recent albums
How wrong is it of me that I just had this image in my head of a Big Bang Theory-like scene where Portnoy comes up to the drum kit and says to Mangini, "You're in my spot?"
A very good analysis of the news of MP re-joining DT.
Also Flying Colors. Can't forget them.
i will be honest and say that i did not find dream theater until after Portnoy left and was bummed getting to see him play. i am glad that i got to see the recent version of them but i am stoked that i will get to see them with MP which is too me what DT is...........but........i just hope this means the next tour has A Change of Seasons on it..........this is the song that hooked me
I seen a post that Portnoys daughter put on IG saying “this is the tough secret I’ve ever had to keep” so this was probably known by all the members for a lil while and maybe even Mangini knew it was coming and they set it up just in time for his solo release to be respectful, and I absolutely love The Astonishing so much!! Seeing it live was Amazing!!! Also they been talking about hitting the studio for months mow was this intended to be with MM or with MP but they couldn’t speak on that subject
I feel sorry for Mangini - he is a superb drummer and I know he will go on to even greater things.
Greater than DT? I don't think so
As excited as I am, I just wonder if this means the end of the Winery Dogs AND Sons of Apollo… obviously it’s amazing that Mike’s back with DT and the music they release is sure to be great (hopefully), but man… Just a shame because those are two of my favorite bands.
For all those who feel bad about Mangini, he had a dream job for a decade. I’m sure he’s quite content with what he got, even if he would have liked to have kept doing it lol ..there’s something special about these magical lineups and replacements should always honor them and step aside when asked. I can’t even imagine Arnel Pineda telling Steve Perry, “no, you can’t come back. It’s my band now.” 🤣🤣
Hope Mike brings some stuff from all the projects he’s been to,shortest songs and simple songs are needed
Props for not chasing them clicks, super refreshing! 🙌
Curious to see how he pulls off the recent catalog and if he’d been keeping up to date on the material in case this happened.?
If you listen to NMB and Transatlantic I do think MP uses his knowledge of all music and like this magnum opus epic songwriting journey vibe to the table. And when I nerd out with my buddies listening to DT we geek out at the little easter eggs.. to me thats cool and what DT is lacking. That breaking the fourth wall self awareness aspect.
My first exposure to Dream Theater was through the Black Clouds and Silver Linings album. I broke my arm in a car accident. I heard A Nightmare to Remember and the song just spoke to me and the instrumentation was out of this world. I got a friend to buy me the album and learned who Mike Portnoy is and he became my favorite drummer. I wasn't a DT fan for long but was crushed when he left. I actually accepted the fact Portnoy wouldn't return to DT but got to see him live on the Petrucci Terminal Velocity tour last year and said this is incredible but what if he actually went back to DT. A year later here we are. I wasn't one of those who trashed Mike Mangini just because I'm a Portnoy fan. Mangini put in incredible work for DT with Illumination Theory being my favorite with MM on drums. I wish Mangini the best and will check out Invisible Signs in couple of weeks. I'm happy MP is home and look forward to this "final incarnation of Dream Theater"
As much as it was a "never to be played again" song - There's a version of "The Best of Times" where it's Mike's Vocals instead of James. A 40th Anniversary Tour with Mangini guesting (amongst countless others) opens up the opportunity for "Frontman Portnoy" moment
Hell let's get JP Singing Wither live, too!
i still want derek sherinian back.
@@bloodlinefilms My dream is Derek Sherinian and Kevin Moore fuse dvz style into one entity, but I think the Kevin side would go off and become a film professor at a small commubity college in Alaska or something.
I think the most interesting part about this whole thing is that it’s the return of the songwriter as well. It going to be cool to see what they produce.
I'm so hyped that he's back! I never thought it would happen again, but I'm so glad I was wrong!
I'm psyched that MP is back. I appreciate Mangini's talent and playing. He's a technical beast. He's going to land on his feet. He'll be fine.
As for the emotional bit, and "people crying on social media about people they've never met" - You're being a bit dismissive and uncharitable with that, I think.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you how incredibly powerful music is to many. There's an absolute emotional attachment to it. Music can move someone like little else. Memories are bound up in different songs. Songs can have special meaning to people, etc.
With that in mind, as you acknowledge, MP was a huge part of DT's sound and personality that many came to know and love. His absence in the band is evident just by listening to the last several albums without him. I'm definitely in the camp who feels their work without him was "good" but feels incomplete. Like having a crucial ingredient missing from an otherwise favorite meal. The missing ingredient was Portnoy not being involved in the writing and performing... and that became evident to me in listening to and watching his work in his other projects. The ingredient missing from DT's work was present in his other projects.
I feel the same way about Pink Floyd without Waters. Whatever you think about PF, with and/or without Waters, his fingerprint in their music with him is indelible. And it's front-and-center in his solo work.
People are reacting emotionally not because they "know the members". They're emotional because it means a return back to the DT they discovered and learned to love. It's hitting in that emotional part of them. For myself, I didn't cry at the news. I was, however, smiling an awful lot after seeing it. I haven't been excited about anything new from DT since ADToE. Last album I bought was the self-titled, though I have listened to the rest. I really feel like how deep this reunion goes is well expressed by Jordan Rudess. In his statement, he talks about how the magic that happens when they're together creating music goes beyond words. That says a LOT.
As for the whole "Mangini being robotic".. I can't speak for others, but for myself I agree - but not in a derogatory way, and not to say he's a lesser player. I mean it in the same sense that Neil Peart recognized the same rigidity in his own playing, which inspired him to seek out Freddie Gruber to re-learn his approach to the kit. Mike Mangini is an incredibly technical and precise player. I believe that precision comes at the cost of more rigid and, yes, robotic-sounding playing which, to me, is impressive technically, but not so enjoyable musically. Watch Portnoy playing stuff.. He's loose. He's relaxed. He's keeping time, he's playing complex stuff.. but it's organic. The result is the playing has more feel and groove, and in MP's words: "balls and chunk".
saw him live with the winery dogs last week, he was awesome!
I truly understand the situation, let's not forget we have 2 periods of time where DT was working with Mangini, and Portnoy was working with tons of other bands, As a meticulous DT fan, I can say without hesitating that Portnoy is gonna bring back some aggressiveness, virtuosity and most importantly deep emotions on their lyrics and melodies.
Portnoy has prog metal in his veins, let's take it step by step and let's enjoy this magical moment, the dream finally came true..... And the passion, fire and inspiration will be on stage, especially between Petrucci, Myung, Rudess and Mike P.
The new record will be great and remember we will all cry down the road when they put together the whole bunch of classics 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I feel like they definitely need to be open to other newer or older artist influences outside their comfort zone of just jamming. Im sure youve seen the "making of..." videos when they used to all bring other albums in writing process that they wanted to influence their writing.
I've seen both Dream Theater with Portnoy and Dream Theater with Mangini, love both. Whatever happens, hope everyone is good. I'm wondering what about Winery Dogs? Love that collaboration.
And portnoy also played with Adrenalin Mob...which was pretty good
I can't agree more on that as a life-time DT fan.
When Portnoy was there with JP and Rudess (from Scenes from the memory to Black clouds) It was all astonishing and ground breaking.
After Portnoy left, I agree that their albums were good but not excellent.
It proves that MP's contribution was amazing.
19:09 💀😂 You are so right hahaha
I think your analysis about the freshness is spot on!
this will definitely shake things up and make an interesting album
Are you interested in Breaking Benjamins new upcoming album? Im interested to hear whether it sounds more like the last few, or the first few albums. Or if it is a completely different style all together. However with Ben's vocals itll be hard to make it much different from the pov unless its just a slow melodic album.
Sons of Apollo material was written by Mike, Derrick, and Bumblefoot. I think the second album was mainly written by Mike and Derrick with Bumblefoot coming in to the writing much later in the process.
I've ever had any issue with Mike Mangini. He seems like a great drummer and a great guy. All I know is that I haven't enjoyed any Dream Theater albums since Black Clouds and Silver Linings, so yeah, I'm excited to hear if they can put out something that sparks my interest again.
13:03 Interesting you would say that, as despite Portnoy not appearing on the record, A Dramatic Turn of Events was entirely written *before* Portnoy's departure, thus explaining the major differences in writing between that and DT13.
Solely by John Petrucci. He even programmed the drums for it. Portnoy was not involved in writing that album.
*It's like the return of The Baycity Rollers or sumpin!*
ADTOE, Astonoshing & (My Fav) DOT were fantastic albums. Definitely excited for the future of DT.
I think ADTOE had drum parts written by Portnoy, and recorded by Mangini...not sure though... I have not heard Distance Over Time, but Astonishing was good.
@@saaranshkulkarni2350 I should give DOT a listen, especially Untethered Angel, S2N, and Pale Blue Dot. Some might call it a safe album, but it can still knock you over.
@@saaranshkulkarni2350No. JP composed the music for ADTOE and programmed simple drum parts on MIDI along with it, and Mangini improved upon it after he joined. Portnoy didn't compose anything in ADTOE.
@@Revenant4k cool thanks! Couldn't remember.
@@saaranshkulkarni2350Also yeah, the astonishing is an incredible album. Just because it leaned more on the classical/operatic style (which lots of metal fans would find boring) doesn't mean it's objectively bad or boring, like its haters say it is.
It's sounds like nothing that DT has ever done before, and the album should've been commended more for that, not constantly being shit on by people who won't give it a chance to grow on them.
It really is just a well written and composed piece of music. I personally love how it deals with its distinct character themes and leitmotifs.