I know many people who think the game's way more fun when you let shit rock, within reason. Nerfing everything just because people don't know how to counter other people's good play isn't the way, in my opinion. This game has the potential to be the next MK9, and these nerfs in particular aren't helping with that.
That's exactly my sentiment. There are very few things in this game that can't be counter-played in some way, shape or form, so there's no need for NRS to go the extra mile to tone something down that already had a built-in weakness.
@@mrAPchem Exactly. I feel like with MK being as big as it is, meaning many more casual players will play, it also means more people that will complain "Bro, this is BS, unfair, stupid, etc" and NRS makes knee jerk reactions to get that audience to shut up. I feel it's best to let those people keep yapping and start making adjustments that actually feel justified. While this idea isn't perfect and has some flaws, I think NRS should take Capcom's approach with SF6 and wait a bit in between balance updates. Let players figure out the meta for a while, then adjust the things that are actually BS. It'd keep the game at a good pace of making every character fun and viable in some way.
I have no clue what in the ever loving chicken fucking fuck they thought they were cooking with these nerfs. Mavado feels like a preemptive knee jerk reaction fix to address the top tiers that need some reworking like Kenshi and it was easier to do that instead of reworking Kenshi. It's hard for me to personally evaluate because Mavado has crazy good synergy with Smoke and for some reason he just didn't lose that much damage with the team. The scaling calculation is fucked somewhere.
First of all stop crying over 20 points of damage its really dumb. Now think i know thats hard but try NRS nerfs things because they are trying to keep a game fun and balanced to they dont have to keep uping the next character so competitive scenes and casual gameplay isnt just 1 character and theres some balance between these characters and kameos and heres a news flash games are creative we find ways to use kameos that the devs never thought of when putting a character or kameo out so when they see something they didnt intend that makes this kameo or character stand out they immediately fix it to balance the gameplay... JESUS CHRIST its okay nerfs happen when we as players show devs our creativity and love for our fav characters take like this a match shouldnt be won or lost by 1 or 2 mistakes but as of now thats basically how it is allowing easy 50% combos is insanely unnecessary
@@souljahsquad4447 First and foremost, nobody is crying over '20 points of damage'. Characters that used to get 55% now suddenly get a maximum of 48% from the same combo. You would not be happy if your main's BnBs suddenly did up to 7% less damage, especially when that character wasn't even top-tier. What makes it worse is the Mavado Kameo hasn't even been out for 2 weeks yet and he got nerfed - right before a big tournament. Meanwhile, both Janet and Khameleon have been out longer and barely got touched, with the latter of the two being the most overwhelmingly popular Kameo in tournament. Mavado already had a significant built-in nerf that was not adjusted to compensate for these new changes, which made him a niche pick to begin with. Now after these nerfs, many people, including myself, won't be using him at all. As far as your comments about NRS are concerned - we have no idea what they intended or didn't intend for Mavado to do because they don't communicate to the community. A patch like this would be much more understandable if indeed players were using Mavado beyond NRS's idea of what he was supposed to do. But we don't know either way. This patch looks like precisely what Cherny said - a kneejerk preemptive strike to prevent something from happening that was likely not going to occur anyway. And even if their worst nightmare came to pass - a tournament with nothing but Mavado Kameo pairings - the solution isn't to nerf him or Khameleon, but to buff everyone else.
Yeah, this decision was dubious at best. Mavado was already looking to be a niche Kameo pick because of his health and the utility of his moves which was offset by his amazing damage and conversion opportunities. Now, his damage is much less amazing - seemingly for certain characters only! I won't be using him now - I liked him with Cage and Shao because of the damage output, but I can get that with other Kameos without the other negatives.
It absolutely isn't. For Kahn specifically, I'd rather use him with Sareena because he gets similar damage, assists with a projectile, and adds health to my bar rather than subtracts it. Now I won't be using him.
Hot take but I hate the delay between upblocking and normal blocking. I hate when players jump over me and I’m stuck in that upblock position. I wish they can change that fr.
At this point just let him not lose 100 health. Either 50 or nothing. I main Shao and I was using him and mavado. Now I’m going back to Sareena, I’ll get a projectile, plus 50 health, neautral and literally the same damage. This nerf was unnecessary. Why can’t you nerf the top tiers in this game? Kenshi-Johnny-Raiden still annoying and top. Nerf them
I don't think the top-tiers need to be nerfed any further in this game, but you're right about Mavado as Shao Kahn's kameo. With Sareena, he's getting extra health, a projectile, better neutral and damage that is close to what he gets with Mavado. What's stranger still is that Mavado's damage output seems all but untouched with the likes of Johnny Cage and Smoke, but it's lower with Shao.
You get 30% with shao from a grab. 40% with shao from a command grab. What more do you people want? From a command grab before it dealt 50% from a easy kombo. Kenshi can middle you from a grab. But if it dosent win games for you its not good.
I already stated what I want: for Mavado to be left exactly as he was because he was balanced on release. Or, if NRS was going to adjust Mavado, let those adjustments be based on actual tournament results rather than being a knee-jerk reaction to what could have been. Preemptive nerfing to prevent future complaints is the real topic of the video, not Mavado. You would know that if you would have bothered to watch the video before making an emotional comment.
@@mrAPchem Lol. Its not emotional. Its logic. You can say what you want. Why did you use mavado with shao? Because its a easy win. Only mk fans can say that a character kill you with 2 throws and be angry that it got nerf. I dont have a problem with mavado. But i love people like you always playing meta and still be angry. And you can barely notice. Instead of 50% you get 40%. Maybe if you use some of the weaker characters like sikander maybe you will have more views. In mk11 you played kabal. Always meta because without help you suck.
@@kilyk21 You truly have no idea who you are talking to. My main character is Sub-Zero - an alleged Bottom 5 character in the game, except when he's used with Khameleon. Yet I exclusively use him with Sareena. I don't care anything about so-called 'meta'. I have no problem getting wins in this game with any character/kameo because I play solid fundamentals. The point of my video had nothing to do with somehow making it harder for me to win matches with Shao Kahn because I can use 2 or 3 other Kameos and beat people with him if that was my concern. Again, if you had watched the full video, you'd already know that. But since you didn't and found yourself triggered by the video's title instead, it is clear that your comment is indeed an emotional one rather than a pragmatic reply to the actual point of my video.
@@mrAPchemOmg, i found the king of mk. Shut up man. I watch your clip 3 or 4 times and everytime you were playing meta. It keeps showing this channel on my feed. I dont think anybody knows who you are. Its stupid what you say. You want nrs to make changes on the base of tournaments? Of course pro players play very different from casual? Like with the command grab, you cant catch a pro player but a guy with 200 hours its a different story. Plus in tournaments everyone plays meta. Of course they nerf it when plp are getting caught by that. Its really stupid to want nrs to make changes based on tournaments.
@@seaboylife2151 Now you'll see even less people using him. I won't be now - other Kameos get comparable damage, help in the neutral and don't kill my health bar.
@@mrAPchem I agree with that his dmg can be done with with other kameos. And damn. I don’t think he was a problem tbh to fight against either. So that’s sad. Makes me regret spending 40 bucks for these characters. When u barely ever see them.
Ppl say shao is top tier b4 mavado, I always said he's low tier cuz he NEEDS to waste 1 bar just to break 300% without kameo, top characters can break 300% easily with out meter or kameo
Damage alone doesn't make a character top-tier. Tanya has some of the lowest damage, but she's top-tier, while Li Mei has the best damage in the game but is mid-low tier.
@mrAPchem not needing to waste bar for damage is a huge deal, combo breaker is too expensive... u NEED breaker cuz top teir characters kill u in 2 combos without using meter, so that means if u need to waste meter to do significant dmg then ur at a huge disadvantage cuz u need to land 3-5 combos to win compared to meta that only needs 2-3 combos to win
@@JoseAntonio-qe5hy There are very few, if any characters that kill people in 2 combos for no bar of meter. Kenshi can, but that's about it. Everyone else has to spend bar, including all the highest-hitting characters in the game. Also, there's no use in having high damage if a character struggles to even hit the opponent to begin with. This is the reason that we haven't seen a tournament Li Mei place Top 8 at a major - her buttons are so stubby that she has to take death-defying risks to hit people that often get her killed. Her saving grace is that she can full-combo punish low pokes, but you have to be one of the very best players in the game to do so consistently. Being top-tier has much less to do with how big a character's combo damage is, (whether metered or meterless) and more to do with how effectively that character can apply their gameplan against the rest of the cast.
@mrAPchem Raiden and Baraka 2 touch ppl all the time , u see the same brain dead combo and then get chipped for game for the last 10% if they didn't hit u with anything during neutral before hand , meanwhile the whole time sitting on full bar for combo breaker so u gotta work harder unless u doing the same thing
@@JoseAntonio-qe5hy Neither of those two have been hitting for 50% damage either for no bar or 1 bar since the New Year kicked in. Both of them are simply very well-designed characters that can be used with multiple Kameos. From the sounds of it, you haven't played MK1 in months if you're still talking about Raiden and Baraka like they are #1 and #2 in the game. Even your assessment of how the game is played is entirely incorrect - there isn't a character in the game that does half-life combos for no bar the entire match. Kenshi comes close, but he needs Sento and can get zoned out. Serious question: when was the last time you played MK1????
This video isn't about the totality of the actual nerfs, but rather NRS's practice of refusing to make adjustments based on actual tournament results and instead being a knee-jerk reaction to what could have been. Preemptive nerfing of characters/kameos that aren't tournament-tested to prevent future complaints is the real topic of the video, not Mavado. You would know that if you would have bothered to watch the video before making an emotional comment.
Oh wow….shocker….Mavado players crying about not being able to crack low to high 50% combos with their boring brainless assist. Completely unforeseen lmao.
Hot take but I hate the delay between upblocking and normal blocking. I hate when players jump over me and I’m stuck in that upblock position. I wish they can change that fr.
That delay is there to provide counterplay. Otherwise, people would be upblocking no matter what without consequence trying to fish for overheads and jump-ins.
I know many people who think the game's way more fun when you let shit rock, within reason. Nerfing everything just because people don't know how to counter other people's good play isn't the way, in my opinion. This game has the potential to be the next MK9, and these nerfs in particular aren't helping with that.
That's exactly my sentiment. There are very few things in this game that can't be counter-played in some way, shape or form, so there's no need for NRS to go the extra mile to tone something down that already had a built-in weakness.
@@mrAPchem Exactly. I feel like with MK being as big as it is, meaning many more casual players will play, it also means more people that will complain "Bro, this is BS, unfair, stupid, etc" and NRS makes knee jerk reactions to get that audience to shut up. I feel it's best to let those people keep yapping and start making adjustments that actually feel justified.
While this idea isn't perfect and has some flaws, I think NRS should take Capcom's approach with SF6 and wait a bit in between balance updates. Let players figure out the meta for a while, then adjust the things that are actually BS. It'd keep the game at a good pace of making every character fun and viable in some way.
I have no clue what in the ever loving chicken fucking fuck they thought they were cooking with these nerfs.
Mavado feels like a preemptive knee jerk reaction fix to address the top tiers that need some reworking like Kenshi and it was easier to do that instead of reworking Kenshi.
It's hard for me to personally evaluate because Mavado has crazy good synergy with Smoke and for some reason he just didn't lose that much damage with the team. The scaling calculation is fucked somewhere.
First of all stop crying over 20 points of damage its really dumb. Now think i know thats hard but try NRS nerfs things because they are trying to keep a game fun and balanced to they dont have to keep uping the next character so competitive scenes and casual gameplay isnt just 1 character and theres some balance between these characters and kameos and heres a news flash games are creative we find ways to use kameos that the devs never thought of when putting a character or kameo out so when they see something they didnt intend that makes this kameo or character stand out they immediately fix it to balance the gameplay...
JESUS CHRIST its okay nerfs happen when we as players show devs our creativity and love for our fav characters take like this a match shouldnt be won or lost by 1 or 2 mistakes but as of now thats basically how it is allowing easy 50% combos is insanely unnecessary
@@souljahsquad4447 First and foremost, nobody is crying over '20 points of damage'. Characters that used to get 55% now suddenly get a maximum of 48% from the same combo. You would not be happy if your main's BnBs suddenly did up to 7% less damage, especially when that character wasn't even top-tier.
What makes it worse is the Mavado Kameo hasn't even been out for 2 weeks yet and he got nerfed - right before a big tournament. Meanwhile, both Janet and Khameleon have been out longer and barely got touched, with the latter of the two being the most overwhelmingly popular Kameo in tournament. Mavado already had a significant built-in nerf that was not adjusted to compensate for these new changes, which made him a niche pick to begin with. Now after these nerfs, many people, including myself, won't be using him at all.
As far as your comments about NRS are concerned - we have no idea what they intended or didn't intend for Mavado to do because they don't communicate to the community. A patch like this would be much more understandable if indeed players were using Mavado beyond NRS's idea of what he was supposed to do. But we don't know either way.
This patch looks like precisely what Cherny said - a kneejerk preemptive strike to prevent something from happening that was likely not going to occur anyway. And even if their worst nightmare came to pass - a tournament with nothing but Mavado Kameo pairings - the solution isn't to nerf him or Khameleon, but to buff everyone else.
Yeah, this decision was dubious at best. Mavado was already looking to be a niche Kameo pick because of his health and the utility of his moves which was offset by his amazing damage and conversion opportunities. Now, his damage is much less amazing - seemingly for certain characters only!
I won't be using him now - I liked him with Cage and Shao because of the damage output, but I can get that with other Kameos without the other negatives.
It's not worth the 100 hp hit anymore
It absolutely isn't. For Kahn specifically, I'd rather use him with Sareena because he gets similar damage, assists with a projectile, and adds health to my bar rather than subtracts it.
Now I won't be using him.
Your shao khan skin is sick man
Thank you!! I saw it and was felt like Mary J. Blige and Method Man in the 90s!!
Him and reptile was so good. I was getting 40% meter less now it’s not point I gotta go back to scorpion
Reverse the nerf both on Mavado scaling and the Chameleon one 😂😂😂
Hot take but I hate the delay between upblocking and normal blocking. I hate when players jump over me and I’m stuck in that upblock position. I wish they can change that fr.
Ngl the only character I say who needs a nerf is reiko
At this point just let him not lose 100 health. Either 50 or nothing. I main Shao and I was using him and mavado. Now I’m going back to Sareena, I’ll get a projectile, plus 50 health, neautral and literally the same damage. This nerf was unnecessary. Why can’t you nerf the top tiers in this game? Kenshi-Johnny-Raiden still annoying and top. Nerf them
bro raiden not top tier, why does everybody shit on raiden
@@stephenengelmann1961 That character is still super-strong - he just isn't stupid anymore due to the Storm Cell nerf.
I don't think the top-tiers need to be nerfed any further in this game, but you're right about Mavado as Shao Kahn's kameo. With Sareena, he's getting extra health, a projectile, better neutral and damage that is close to what he gets with Mavado.
What's stranger still is that Mavado's damage output seems all but untouched with the likes of Johnny Cage and Smoke, but it's lower with Shao.
why nrs why?
In a word? Fear.
@@mrAPchem kung lao and mavado is history for me then😢
Bruh he got NERFED ALREADY??
Yes, unfortunately he did.
You get 30% with shao from a grab. 40% with shao from a command grab. What more do you people want? From a command grab before it dealt 50% from a easy kombo. Kenshi can middle you from a grab. But if it dosent win games for you its not good.
I already stated what I want: for Mavado to be left exactly as he was because he was balanced on release. Or, if NRS was going to adjust Mavado, let those adjustments be based on actual tournament results rather than being a knee-jerk reaction to what could have been.
Preemptive nerfing to prevent future complaints is the real topic of the video, not Mavado.
You would know that if you would have bothered to watch the video before making an emotional comment.
@@mrAPchem Lol. Its not emotional. Its logic. You can say what you want. Why did you use mavado with shao? Because its a easy win. Only mk fans can say that a character kill you with 2 throws and be angry that it got nerf. I dont have a problem with mavado. But i love people like you always playing meta and still be angry. And you can barely notice. Instead of 50% you get 40%. Maybe if you use some of the weaker characters like sikander maybe you will have more views. In mk11 you played kabal. Always meta because without help you suck.
@@kilyk21 You truly have no idea who you are talking to. My main character is Sub-Zero - an alleged Bottom 5 character in the game, except when he's used with Khameleon. Yet I exclusively use him with Sareena.
I don't care anything about so-called 'meta'.
I have no problem getting wins in this game with any character/kameo because I play solid fundamentals. The point of my video had nothing to do with somehow making it harder for me to win matches with Shao Kahn because I can use 2 or 3 other Kameos and beat people with him if that was my concern.
Again, if you had watched the full video, you'd already know that. But since you didn't and found yourself triggered by the video's title instead, it is clear that your comment is indeed an emotional one rather than a pragmatic reply to the actual point of my video.
@@mrAPchemOmg, i found the king of mk. Shut up man. I watch your clip 3 or 4 times and everytime you were playing meta. It keeps showing this channel on my feed. I dont think anybody knows who you are. Its stupid what you say. You want nrs to make changes on the base of tournaments? Of course pro players play very different from casual? Like with the command grab, you cant catch a pro player but a guy with 200 hours its a different story. Plus in tournaments everyone plays meta. Of course they nerf it when plp are getting caught by that. Its really stupid to want nrs to make changes based on tournaments.
Movado nerf is a clutch
lol crazy part is I barely saw anyone with mavado
@@seaboylife2151 Now you'll see even less people using him. I won't be now - other Kameos get comparable damage, help in the neutral and don't kill my health bar.
@@mrAPchem I agree with that his dmg can be done with with other kameos. And damn. I don’t think he was a problem tbh to fight against either. So that’s sad. Makes me regret spending 40 bucks for these characters. When u barely ever see them.
Ppl say shao is top tier b4 mavado, I always said he's low tier cuz he NEEDS to waste 1 bar just to break 300% without kameo, top characters can break 300% easily with out meter or kameo
Damage alone doesn't make a character top-tier. Tanya has some of the lowest damage, but she's top-tier, while Li Mei has the best damage in the game but is mid-low tier.
@mrAPchem not needing to waste bar for damage is a huge deal, combo breaker is too expensive... u NEED breaker cuz top teir characters kill u in 2 combos without using meter, so that means if u need to waste meter to do significant dmg then ur at a huge disadvantage cuz u need to land 3-5 combos to win compared to meta that only needs 2-3 combos to win
@@JoseAntonio-qe5hy There are very few, if any characters that kill people in 2 combos for no bar of meter. Kenshi can, but that's about it. Everyone else has to spend bar, including all the highest-hitting characters in the game.
Also, there's no use in having high damage if a character struggles to even hit the opponent to begin with. This is the reason that we haven't seen a tournament Li Mei place Top 8 at a major - her buttons are so stubby that she has to take death-defying risks to hit people that often get her killed. Her saving grace is that she can full-combo punish low pokes, but you have to be one of the very best players in the game to do so consistently.
Being top-tier has much less to do with how big a character's combo damage is, (whether metered or meterless) and more to do with how effectively that character can apply their gameplan against the rest of the cast.
@mrAPchem Raiden and Baraka 2 touch ppl all the time , u see the same brain dead combo and then get chipped for game for the last 10% if they didn't hit u with anything during neutral before hand , meanwhile the whole time sitting on full bar for combo breaker so u gotta work harder unless u doing the same thing
@@JoseAntonio-qe5hy Neither of those two have been hitting for 50% damage either for no bar or 1 bar since the New Year kicked in.
Both of them are simply very well-designed characters that can be used with multiple Kameos.
From the sounds of it, you haven't played MK1 in months if you're still talking about Raiden and Baraka like they are #1 and #2 in the game.
Even your assessment of how the game is played is entirely incorrect - there isn't a character in the game that does half-life combos for no bar the entire match. Kenshi comes close, but he needs Sento and can get zoned out.
Serious question: when was the last time you played MK1????
Oh please, complaining about a combo going from 50% to 45%, stop whining, the nerf isn’t that hard.
This video isn't about the totality of the actual nerfs, but rather NRS's practice of refusing to make adjustments based on actual tournament results and instead being a knee-jerk reaction to what could have been.
Preemptive nerfing of characters/kameos that aren't tournament-tested to prevent future complaints is the real topic of the video, not Mavado.
You would know that if you would have bothered to watch the video before making an emotional comment.
Oh wow….shocker….Mavado players crying about not being able to crack low to high 50% combos with their boring brainless assist. Completely unforeseen lmao.
Shocker; non-Mavado players commenting on videos like these without even watching them first thinking that the title of the video is the topic/thesis.
excelent nerf😍
Hot take but I hate the delay between upblocking and normal blocking. I hate when players jump over me and I’m stuck in that upblock position. I wish they can change that fr.
That delay is there to provide counterplay. Otherwise, people would be upblocking no matter what without consequence trying to fish for overheads and jump-ins.
Genuinely sounds like a skill issue