Very interesting. Hats off to you for tackling the tangled chains. I have a feeling that people used the same names to confuse the authorities. Using nicknames for closest and dearest.
Hehe Some of them definitely took advantage of that I'm sure! I was just adding some family friends into my tree today and my Grampie had a friend nicknamed Coozie, who he grew up with. Not a clue what his real name was.
I have several generations of Solomon Dentons living in the southern Connecticut / New York (Hudson Valley, Long Island) area with little movement. Oh, and almost every male descendant had a Samuel and Solomon Denton, so they were "thick on the ground". Separating the records was / is a challenge. In fact, I have several records that just don't provide enough information to identify the specific Solomon being mentioned. I was so happy to get of that roller coaster with an Elizabeth. One other note, I have several farmers in different branches during the 18th and 19th centuries that would show up with odd jobs like shoemaker or something like that. In lean times, farmers will do what's necessary to put food on the table so they could have other jobs that could appear to be different people. I found placing them near the same neighbors over and over helped indicate they were the same person in the same location, or not.
Very cool. That's a great method and I'm glad it worked out for you. I have about 125 men named Timothy that I research, most are Timothy Davies. I've been collecting each one of their signatures as a way to tell them apart when they show up in the records.
I still am having my best results via newspapers, especially people in the US who wrote about my first family over to Pennsylvania, because they were involved in singing/conducting both in Wales and in the US. I just found 3 articles (sadly, no paper/journal name, as one refers to the article before it, and I can't find the initial source for the one I do have!) The information on types of continuity was interesting. I've noticed there were two row homes next to each other hat different sets of my Rees family seem to be deliberately trying to keep used by the family. I think they must've followed the miners, or as you talk about regarding trades, it may be he learned the trade from family in Ystradgynlais, another recurring location. Both give me some new ideas, thank you so much, again!
Oh how interesting! I love getting articles that refer to each other. It sucks that the one you have didn't name the other publication, but hopefully one day you will find it! And yeah, keeping the same house or farm in the family, even extended family, seems to have been a pretty common practice. I was researching some of my 5x Grandparent's descendants this weekend and found their great granddaughter living back at the same farm as they did after it being occupied for 75 years by other families (or ones I just haven't been able to connect to my tree). It's interesting stuff!
We have Jones too…..William E Jones born 1810 in Cardiganshire….went to Wisconsin in 1881/1882 at 70. Died 1884 in WI. Not sure why he would leave at 70.
This information is very helpful...and that includes your one on Welsh names and naming..I have David John James from Pennorth and I am running into many with that same name in and around the same location and even their wives are Margaret..It is giving me a head ache. But I do believe your information will help me make some sense out of it...I want to make a trip to Wales ( my bucket list ) and go to Pennorth Farm if it is still there. Thank you so much for all of your input....Sue
Thanks. I really appreciate your message. I'm glad you've found the videos helpful. I really hope you manage to figure out who is who. When I get in a situation like that, I like to just research both people, including their siblings and cousins, because eventually I end up finding a record that makes it clear who can and can't possibly be my ancestor.
Do you know anything about my surname 'Watkins'? I'm from Devon but my fathers family are from Wales .. some of them were bakers in north Carmarthenshire i think.
Bakers, cool! I have another video where the point is basically there's not really any good general information about surnames in Wales just cause of how the patronymic surname system works. So Watkins derives from the name Walter. And so you probably had an ancestor somewhere in the 18th-19th Century with the first name Watkin and then their children took Watkins on as their surname.
@@GenealCymru Hey thanks. I had a good feeling you'd be able to tell me more about my surname than anyone ever 👍 So while i'm at it, as you seem to enjoy it ... what about my mother's surname 'Kelland'? Lot's of them from the South Hams in south Devon going back a couple of hundred years. One of them was a fairly wealthy wool merchant in Totnes and others were brewers in Kingsbridge and yet others listed as labourer, scholar ect
Cool. I've done some Devon research and have at least seen the name before-My Nanna's paternal ancestors are from north Devon near Freminton. I don't think it came up in my direct line though. The website I normally use for surname origins/meanings is this one: www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Kelland The result for Kelland starts with "This is a very difficult surname to research," so that's fun haha
@@GenealCymru Hey, thankyou so much! I can see that finding concrete information may be tricky. I'll pass all this to my brother so he can do all the digging! 🤣
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Great information as always! This is all so very helpful! Keep them coming!
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying them! :D
Very interesting. Hats off to you for tackling the tangled chains. I have a feeling that people used the same names to confuse the authorities. Using nicknames for closest and dearest.
Hehe Some of them definitely took advantage of that I'm sure! I was just adding some family friends into my tree today and my Grampie had a friend nicknamed Coozie, who he grew up with. Not a clue what his real name was.
I have several generations of Solomon Dentons living in the southern Connecticut / New York (Hudson Valley, Long Island) area with little movement. Oh, and almost every male descendant had a Samuel and Solomon Denton, so they were "thick on the ground". Separating the records was / is a challenge. In fact, I have several records that just don't provide enough information to identify the specific Solomon being mentioned. I was so happy to get of that roller coaster with an Elizabeth.
One other note, I have several farmers in different branches during the 18th and 19th centuries that would show up with odd jobs like shoemaker or something like that. In lean times, farmers will do what's necessary to put food on the table so they could have other jobs that could appear to be different people. I found placing them near the same neighbors over and over helped indicate they were the same person in the same location, or not.
Very cool. That's a great method and I'm glad it worked out for you. I have about 125 men named Timothy that I research, most are Timothy Davies. I've been collecting each one of their signatures as a way to tell them apart when they show up in the records.
@@GenealCymru oh, having literate ancestors is great and seeing their signature is amazing. Mostly, my ancestors made their mark. No actual signature.
I still am having my best results via newspapers, especially people in the US who wrote about my first family over to Pennsylvania, because they were involved in singing/conducting both in Wales and in the US. I just found 3 articles (sadly, no paper/journal name, as one refers to the article before it, and I can't find the initial source for the one I do have!)
The information on types of continuity was interesting. I've noticed there were two row homes next to each other hat different sets of my Rees family seem to be deliberately trying to keep used by the family. I think they must've followed the miners, or as you talk about regarding trades, it may be he learned the trade from family in Ystradgynlais, another recurring location. Both give me some new ideas, thank you so much, again!
Oh how interesting! I love getting articles that refer to each other. It sucks that the one you have didn't name the other publication, but hopefully one day you will find it! And yeah, keeping the same house or farm in the family, even extended family, seems to have been a pretty common practice. I was researching some of my 5x Grandparent's descendants this weekend and found their great granddaughter living back at the same farm as they did after it being occupied for 75 years by other families (or ones I just haven't been able to connect to my tree). It's interesting stuff!
We have Jones too…..William E Jones born 1810 in Cardiganshire….went to Wisconsin in 1881/1882 at 70. Died 1884 in WI. Not sure why he would leave at 70.
Hmm, yeah I don't know why he might migrate so late in life. It's a good question thought to brainstorm a little research project around though!
This information is very helpful...and that includes your one on Welsh names and naming..I have David John James from Pennorth and I am running into many with that same name in and around the same location and even their wives are Margaret..It is giving me a head ache. But I do believe your information will help me make some sense out of it...I want to make a trip to Wales ( my bucket list ) and go to Pennorth Farm if it is still there. Thank you so much for all of your input....Sue
Thanks. I really appreciate your message. I'm glad you've found the videos helpful. I really hope you manage to figure out who is who. When I get in a situation like that, I like to just research both people, including their siblings and cousins, because eventually I end up finding a record that makes it clear who can and can't possibly be my ancestor.
@@GenealCymru I have been trying that and ended up more David John James...lol...I am getting there !!
Do you know anything about my surname 'Watkins'? I'm from Devon but my fathers family are from Wales .. some of them were bakers in north Carmarthenshire i think.
Bakers, cool! I have another video where the point is basically there's not really any good general information about surnames in Wales just cause of how the patronymic surname system works. So Watkins derives from the name Walter. And so you probably had an ancestor somewhere in the 18th-19th Century with the first name Watkin and then their children took Watkins on as their surname.
@@GenealCymru Hey thanks. I had a good feeling you'd be able to tell me more about my surname than anyone ever 👍
So while i'm at it, as you seem to enjoy it ... what about my mother's surname 'Kelland'? Lot's of them from the South Hams in south Devon going back a couple of hundred years. One of them was a fairly wealthy wool merchant in Totnes and others were brewers in Kingsbridge and yet others listed as labourer, scholar ect
Cool. I've done some Devon research and have at least seen the name before-My Nanna's paternal ancestors are from north Devon near Freminton. I don't think it came up in my direct line though. The website I normally use for surname origins/meanings is this one: www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Kelland The result for Kelland starts with "This is a very difficult surname to research," so that's fun haha
@@GenealCymru Hey, thankyou so much! I can see that finding concrete information may be tricky. I'll pass all this to my brother so he can do all the digging! 🤣
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It does, indeed.