One major problem with our interpretation of this cave art is the way that we are lighting them when we take pictures or other recordings of them. Ancient hominins from the period would have had some kind of open flame lantern. It has been demonstrated by other scholars that the combination of an open flame light source, the art, and the contours of the rock on which they are written produced a kind of rudimentary animation, or 3D storyboard. To fully understand the purpose of ancient cave markings requires more culturally and materially relativistic investigation.
Pardon me, but do you have any reference source regarding any scholars' interpretations of light source/3D movement? Ive just begun researching primitive cave art. I have ordered the book World Rock Art. I ran across this video and find what some scholars' believe in the lighting.....it makes perfect sense! Their only perspective in dark caves was from flame. Thank you in advance 🌹
Actually there’s a modern homeless glyph graffiti system that serves a similar purpose to what you’re thinking of... and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an ancient concept, there’s some sort of memorialization going on
I read her book, First Signs. It's really fascinating and worth looking at. Her idea to catalog abstract markings in ancient inscriptions across Europe to try to assign meaning is unique and gives evidence of very extensive social organization among people in the remote past.
Not only are the 32 symbols barely discussed, but the question about why they are so widespread is only addressed as “that is a story for another lecture”. C-
exactly. It's easy to imagine animal skins marked with symbols outside of dwellings, wooden posts and so on. All lost to time, but the people 30k years ago, were essentially as smart and capable as we are now.
@@KennyCollins1962 The size of the human brain hasn't really changed in as long as 300000 years. If would definately imply that they were as smart as we are now.
We underestimate the technological advancements the very first civilizations had, whose reminisces have indeed been lost to time. They may have been MORE advanced than us.
@Alan Oranday Definitely not more advanced. If they'd used plastics and even been making lead...there would be clear chemical records of it to be found in the ice cores from that period. Yes we have ice cores going back hundreds of thousands of years. Modern human activity is leaving a huge mess behind it. Anything similar in the past would have done the same.
Don't have feelings, have thoughts. Feelings know nothing use them for expression, thought knows everything that can be known, use it for everything else.
these people were not stupid they knew that marking in caves not exposed to any sort of weather would always be there they were just like us. Who in this world like to do the same task over and over again these people were practical people just like we are today no less no more
Imagine thousands of years into the future. An alien archaeologist (or perhaps a creature evolved from meerkats) is trying to work out what "keep left", "hard hat mandatory" and "no tumble dry" symbols mean. The word "ritual" will no doubt occur.
by then they will have rusted away .Modern man leaves wall art or graffiti so usually a rather angry seen or spraying like dog pee .Wouldn't say much about us ..
I live now and those fabric tags that only have symbols for care blow my mind...can you imagine them finding 10123 irons...and yet there probably a zillion irons in weird places...because we use them so little...they are up away almost looking more decorative than functional. Id cannot underground small space ...thats what scares me to death
I would like to pose the possibility that they were the map of the cave system. Cave systems can be very confusing but a mark that says that way to the opening would be essential.
Why did this ted talk seem like the entire thing was an introduction then, when you think she is going to start talking about it in detail, the talk ends....
@@MegaBorusse1900 that's what I was wondering i guess i gained some new information. But i figured she'd be raising big questions about the missing links in our evolution. That's what I was hoping for.
It seems she's telling us something wholly new. The cave paintings don't just depict animals but also feature regularly occurring symbols, suggesting a form of written communication that predates every other alphabet. That's an awesome point. She showed plenty of images for 5 seconds to get her point across, of course she still doesn't understand the alphabet enough to explain it more.
Just occurred to me while watching (for the second time, as I saw it few years back already): first, as little as I know, if people were equipped with only the torch (with some pitch), there would be lot of soot on the roof of the ceiling. I believe this wasn't always the case, so I'm rather thinking they used to bring the material for making the fire and lit a fire that lasted several hours. A follow-up thought is, what in the world these people do in such remote parts of caves for so long? My memory suggested a solution: for example, the Native Americans had an initiation ritual where young men on the brink of adulthood went to a remote place to keep vigil and dream and follow their dreams. When they kept vigil for several days and nights (plus ate who knows what mushrooms or herbs which could have brought the visions even more reliably and sooner), they got dreams/visions and they remembered them. Then they went back to their tribe and let their shaman know and he would help them interpret the dreams. On the basis of this, they got their warrior name, and searched for some essence of that dream and when found, prepared it and made their own "medicine" that they wore in a pouch hanging around their neck. So, what if these places were likewise the places of their young men's vigil or initiation rites? What if the pictures on the wall were the expression of their dreams and visions?
Yes, and some of the rock art takes advantage of bumps and variations in the rock's surface to give it depth - I knew someone who had seen some cave paintings by candlelight, and he said the 3D animals seemed to move in the shifting light. And they were all running toward the mouth of the cave, as if all being born, along with the vision quester emerging.
I wish I remembered my visions when I take mushrooms and the like. Its like I unlock the mysteries of the universe while on mushrooms, but then forget it all when I goto sleep.
The caves in SW France were like condominiums. Warm secure with high ceilings and walls to paint on the way we hang pictures. I visited Peche-Merle and was amazed by the beautiful paintings of fish horses ‘bison’ and hand prints like signatures and a river running through. A true underworld and the origin of later Styx and Homeric underworld of Classical mythology.
Turns out we were selling them very short here about them just being pieces of art for them to get hammered and stare at. We have cracked the code of at least some of the symbols. They were used to predict the time of year animals were breeding and giving birth and then they could catch them in large herds for hunting. This makes them a form of Proto-Writing, predating other forms by a whopping 10,000 yrs or more. The Magdalenian people became a crucial culture of later Europeans to come. Perhaps they were able to do this because those that came before them had domesticated dogs some 18,000 yrs earlier and would have learned their breeding habits and times they gave offspring.
Man that hand print shown near the start of the video really got to me for some reason. It’s like our ancestors telling the harsh world, “We are here, and we’re here to stay.”
All I could think about when I watched this video was "hobo" signs. Perhaps signs telling others of what benefits or dangers lurked in the surroundings, like a treasure map for a transient population. It certainly points to a certain level of awareness that separate "others" might benefit from this knowledge. I am a not at all familiar with this area of study though, so I could just be restating the obvious.
the first written language happened 2.856 million years ago this planet has been cleaned 53 times that we know of that is really all you need to know to get there
I have seen petroglyphs from the Arizona and New Mexico deserts that is incredibly similar. Tick marks, deer and bison, spirals, rectangles. No cave involved and carved not painted but the symbols are the same.
Super fascinating! I often wonder about the histories that occurred long before we were able to share them with future generations. Your work is so important. Thank you for sharing this!
Or perhaps a sympathetic magic ritual done before hunting. Where some peoples believed that drawing the scene as successful before it happened would make the hunt successful.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 That's very possible. I'm sure they used to do that believing it would give them good luck. What if they went and there WERE no mammoths because the herd had moved on?
I lived in Morocco and I married there. My husband was the only one in the family who spoke English. When he went to the store or went to work all of us communicated and laughed at the same time and knew what the other person meant even though we didn't have a common language. I had learned quite a bit of conversational Arabic a lot of it was Moroccan Arabic known as darija but his family had no even working knowledge of English. We seemed not to need it in the evenings we spent out on the porch under the family olive tree. We entertained each other and we communicated in a way that we all understood I never knew before how many symbols I could make with my hands! :-)
It is possible that this is something like convergence. The symbols are often quite basic . . . triangles, circles, zigzag. These can represent mountains, the sun or moon, and lightning. These could have arisen in isolated, groups that did not contact each other. Given the limited media available, there may well be an element of inherent symbology in us . . . particularly drawing from the natural world.
" there may well be an element of inherent symbology in us" It would be fascinating to look at what children draw in primitive tribes where they are not exposed to 2D art, if any such places exist.
Because it's titled: "Why are these 32 symbols found in caves all over Europe?" - and over 12 minutes of video later, there is zero answer as to "why" ...only that there are 32 symbols found in caves all over Europe. The video doesn't even begin to answer the question it asks, so it's a misleading waste of time. When you're a researcher, it's your JOB to answer the questions you ask. Scientists don't publish papers or give lectures when all they have are questions. That's less than even the *first* step of forming a hypothesis...That makes this TED talk all fluff with no substance whatsoever.
+Zashorigin Because this is just speculation. There isn't enough information in the archaeological record to make sense of these "32 symbols". They span thousands of years and thousands of miles and there's a very good possibility that any similarities are coincidental. Of course we'll probably never know.
Cabbage Head Neveetheless, any discovery takes time and because they don´t know everything, like nobody knows everything from those times and there´s always speculation, future generations might be able to know and even if they don´t know much more, it´s still fascinating.
+Zashorigin It is fascinating---for one thing, we got to see more of the actual art, and for another, we found out "the state of the art"---that no one had even catalogued the geometrical signs until now.
Thank you for taking the time to explore and document these early artworks. I'd also like to thank you for doing the presentation. Great information and very interesting...
This is why I am so damn proud to be human. We create things, we have crazy ideas about how things could be and we are capable of learning. Too bad most humans would rather forget and just watch TV when there's so much potential just waiting to be unleashed.
+Vít Savický Well said! Unfortunately, we've also created social media, where people seem to think anything they don't already know about is worthless and that their uninformed opinion is as significant and valuable as the attempts to understand of someone working full-time in that field. I support your pride, but there's despair as well.
+nolove4thuglife Hou je mond idioot. Het nadeel van het Internet dat village-idiots nu ook een podium hebben terwijl ze vroeger met pek en de veren het drop werden uitgetrapt.
There has been great evolution in the written language. From 32 symbols written on cave walls in Spain 5000 years ago to the modern era, when man can post stupid comments to videos on RUclips. 5000 years from now, some archeologist will unearth an I phone. But he will not be able to see the stupid comment because the battery will be dead.
lcagee Or they'll see the stupid comment but be unable to translate it and think it has some profound deep meaning like those butt prints on that cave wall
Mike Williamson Well if it is, it definitely shows that our humour hasn't changed much, which humour in itself is a complexity to begin with. We might be able to reason that they had around the same mental capacity that we do today, although there's not enough data to obviously conclude that but it's an interesting thought.
Even during the opening few lines, I cannot but smile at the TED-like manner of presenting an interesting topic. TED Talks may have fed our hunger for exploring and for learning. The cost for this was the TED-ification of its speakers.
Much of what we need to know is lost forever. Under water, completely destroyed, hidden on purpose, or lost in translation. I hope we further work on Gobecki Tepe.
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yeppers. can't wait until we find Edgar Cayce's golden plates, supposedly under the Sphinx but I bet Zahi Hawass (sp?) confiscated 'em. personally...I don't think we is from here originally. how long would it take for one race to become five? (is five, yes?). go look up Earthfiles here, Linda Howe did three segments on Antarctica + black sun. Underground ancient granite self-sustaining structures. WE sure dint build 'em.
Gobleki was financed by the World Economic Forum - They excavated about 5% of this super important site and then pulled the funding with the excuse, "For future generations to discover." Now, there's a tourist structure built around the excavation site. How can this NOT raise any red flags? The importance of what we may discover - in my humble opinion - should FAR outweigh any lack of motivation for funding!
These people were nomadic wanderers. There are some things all wanderers need to know - where locally to find food, shelter, medicine, women to name a few. Whether it was caves, or at the shores of distant ports, or more modern hobo symbology, cross-language boundaries were broken with symbols that represented the basic needs that could be found/fulfilld in the area.
That's what they used to think. Then why'd they crawl a half kilometer to start a sketch of it? It is way way WAY out of the way. Then why also make the symbols so abstract when you could convey so much more by basic realistic drawings. These days there is the popular idea that the drawing have religious / spiritual meanings.
Caden Rolland Truth: They haven't got a clue! But, they've gotta have "a theory"; one that they can write papers on, teach classes about, apply for grants to go to the sites to study them, etc. Otherwise, they're outta work, outta funds (and might have to get REAL jobs).
@@cadenrolland5250 None of these cave systems are exactly the same as they were thousands of years ago. Finding skeletons buried, let's say for the sake of argument 10 meters deep, would mean that the cave floor itself was lower and that debris/dust/dirt had accumulated during the intervening millennia. Cave collapses/changes due to weather or quake could drastically change the inner topography of a cave system. Second point: some abstract symbols could be related to the drawings themselves, even if just simple counters; a picture of a horse accompanied by 20 dots could mean a herd of specific size, or an extrapolation of size generally understood by the presence of those markings, not necessarily even a specific head count. If they were nomadic, perhaps they were keeping tallies from year to year as they traveled through the region again. Of course this is all speculation, but there are theories that can be applied.
Very similar to "hobo codes" found on rail cars, telephone poles, peoples front gates, to let other "Bo's" know where to get some handouts, or bad watchdogs, generous housewives, and other stuff.
I think some of it is marking what types of prey and where to find good water and prime hunting around the area of each cave. I think it would be a good idea if she were to bring an established Hunter to some of these sites. The hunter would know what areas are prime spots for hunting and other spots are prime for "spotting" prey. They probably evolved into more abstract forms when they wanted to keep information from other tribes. Those trees to me look like a way of saying summer and winter. So conclusion to me is time, place, identity of prey.
I think it is important to back away from the idea that these people were a little dimmer than we are. I think it is important, also, to use common sense. The vertical lines engraved in the wall looked to me like somebody started sharpening needles or something similar, and others used the striations down over the years, deepening the grooves. Sometimes I think that academics get caught up in how grand their theories are and how important they are and forget that folks were just living their lives. You can't go very deep analyzing tagging on box-cars. Sometimes it's good art, and sometimes it's a person clearing out their spray-can nozzle.
Interesting comment. I doubt if we'll ever really know the exact meanings behind these images and so everything's up for interpretation. Academic speculation is always interesting as long as it's recognised that it is just that - speculation. This was a fascinating lecture though.
@@f4fake Sounds like you have a serious inferiority complex. My experience has always been that you know yourself best and if you think you are a pos so be it.
I wish she would have gone in more in depth into the symbols themselves, but still very interesting. Good video! But when she asked 'why was someone in that low ceiling cave? It got me to thinking: So here are my theories in no particular order: 1. Defense would be a logical use for caves [One way in/out, defensible while eliminating flank assaults] 2. Protection from the most extreme or hostile elements [Heatwave, tornadoes, etc] 3. Since most caves are a near constant cool temperature depending on proximity to the equator. In most cases it would have been a good place to assist in the preservation of food. [it would spoil more slowly there, removed from the sun, pests, etc] 4. We all strive to have 'a place to call home', so what better choice than one pre-made and [in most cases] impervious to the elements 5. And lets not forget the coolest things about caves.... man! what an echo!
Just the echo effect yeesh what better invention for a child to have the superhero dad teach them how to do in their younger years screw the huge BAT POPULATION HANGING AROUND FLUTTERING WEVE HEARD SO MANY TIME AIM STRAIGHT FOR OUR HAIR IF ITS NOT WASHED CLEAN BY GRANDPARENTS!!!!!! YA SCREW EM LISTEN TO THE OLD MAN HAVE A SECOND VOICE COMING NACK SAYING HELLO TO US THIS IS MUCH COOLER. IM STILL SMIRK8NG THANK UPU SIR ILL LAY DOWN TONIGHT REMEMBERING MAMMOTH CAVE KENKUCKY ANF CAVES IN NORTHERN MINNRSOTA. LATER IN MY TEENS THE BATS GOT THEIR FAIR SHARE AFTER THE FACT SO DID CLAUSTRAPHOBIA IM NO LONGER A CAVE EXPLPLORER. THATS FOR REST OF THE WORLD
It's very obvious that there were fully written languages and mathematics at least 9,000 to 15,000 years ago. We have structures around the world that attest to that. These monuments weren't constructed with only verbal communication
Dale DeLatte very true, and mainstream academia will not recognize this fact simply because those earliest of builders and writers and mathematicians were white.
@@illuminated2438 huh? What are you suggesting? A world wide, ongoing conspiracy where racism of some kind trumps science and truth? And that literally everyone, millions of people, buy into it? That's a special kind of stupid you rarely see these days.
Decades Ago I visited caves All over the world. I am not trained in this field ( but I knew then it was Very Very important to Document all of the signs symbols from everyone in the whole world and put the pictures in a study guide. Aka Book for future reference and study something draws me to believe we will someday figure all of it out and we need to know Why as A Human we are Naturally curious. I know I got a double dose of curiosity. Anyway our very existence may depend on finding out what our Ancestors were trying to tell us
You are right when you say that we need to find out more about our ancestors, but what we also need to do is questioning what is being put in front of us. Asking who found this? How was it done? When was it done? And mostly: REALLY? Not all that we can see is real and not all reality is visible. I like to think that many things we see have a different function; ie distract, divert, deceive and covering up the real meaning behind it. There are things that are shown via touristic leaders and when you stray from their path, you find the machinations that made this a new industry to draw people in for monetary purposes for instance. Just look deeper into the pyramids... or other topics.
Lívia Moreira No, seriously, what do you respect about her? Her vacuous nature, the ambivalence she has to her work, her ineptitude when it comes to peer-review?
+John Redman go take a weak in nature, or put together a puzzle. You sound very angry about something incredibly ridiculous. All that stress isn't good for you.
Earliest human trolling. "Spray paint your butt on Grog's wall." Archeologist: "These are complex thinkers, evolving highly developed communication skills to stay alive..."
Actually, if we determine that is a butt print--and lots of us see that it could be--that tells us we have continuity of sense of humor about certain subjects.
Love how she speaks, she is really clear yet passionate. Amazing so few different signs originally but back then they probably only had a limited vocabulary. Would like to hear if she has looked at the San cave art in Africa which goes back 50,000 years and is also fascinating.
In the mid 1990’s, my husband and I owned an import and export business (home and garden decor). I designed several of our items and we had them manufactured in China. On one of the many trips I took to China, we were at a factory in the mid-northern part of China far away from any cities, save for a very small village which had no infrastructure (running water, electricity, paved roads) except for the factory which had electricity from a large generator and cold tap water along with one “outhouse” with a hole in the ground). There were mountains around us that had wide long steps carved into the sides of the mountains over centuries. These steps were used as apple orchards. When I had finished my portion of business, my translator and I went up to the orchards, which were maintained by 1 old man who lived in a very small shack (smaller than an average household bathroom). He picked up a flashlight and told us to follow him. He took us to a cave and as we got further back, we were crouching to fit the passage way. He shined the light on the walls and ceiling of the cave and there were so many drawings, nothing I could understand though (and no writing or numbers), they were extremely primitive drawings. He told us that no one knew about these caves and the drawings, no academia had ever studied them. I was in awe. My translator took several pictures of them and later transferred them to a floppy disk and gave me the disk before leaving. Unfortunately, the floppy disk ended up getting sand in it (I have no idea how) and my pictures were lost forever. Still, the experience was incredible and one I’m grateful to have enjoyed. I often wonder if the caves were ever studied (I can’t find anything online about them).
How about bypassing your envy and contact some of those people such as this friendly-looking lady and see if you can be included somehow, as you share her passion and interest.. dream big and go for it!
@@manyBlessings2all Or just go and do what she did - see the caves and stuff for yourself. The records were thread bare before she thoroughly recorded the known sites.
@@mnomadvfx ah yes, let me just use all this money I don't have and start galivanting around the world. It should be that easy but it's not, it's not impossible either tho but you really have to be in the right place at the right time with the right degree for a lot of this
"Privilege"????? It has nothing to do with this over used word. She and her husband (obviously) work very hard to do what they do. Hard work ain't no "privilege."---from a fellow artist, amateur historian :)
I read a paper that looked at the abstractions as entopics, or kind of built-in shape perceptions experienced when humans see things in darkness or hallucinate. There seems to be patterns and shapes that emerge from the physical eye itself and the visual cortex when the visual stimuli is not sufficient (darkness, mental impairment) or sufficient enough to easily decode from memory. To me, this suggest that the abstract symbolic writing systems that represent spoken utterance might have derived from a creative use of these naturally occurring entopic images.
While the stories have many stylistic flaws, Jean Auel's "Earth's Children" series interestingly described the culture that Genevieve described from her different viewpoint. If you assume wide-ranging human migration, if the artists migrated, their art could be reproduced at many places and that would account for the scope of her findings.
I'm currently reading the last book in the series, "The Land of Painted Caves." Considering all the research that goes into writing her books, I wonder if she believes the cave art is an early form of writing.
@james kenyon My first name is Steve and all my friends gave me various famous last names throughout the years. Stevie Wonder, Stevie Ray Steve McQueen, etc. Like em all but settled on McQueen.
I really liked this. The instructor/researcher made points that were very insightful: the total collective characteristics and the small numbers of region-born symbols. I really liked the conclusion whereby Dr. Boyajian said this shows the advent of formal languages and a part of this evolution of communication, most likely, was. Too, she hints that the symbols thro out Europe were based on another step from whence the cave symbols came from. I guess most of the population at that time, lived in caves and they talked and depicted their life's experiences, cooked and ate in the cave homes. I wonder if we will ever get to the point of correctly knowing what each symbol really represented and how they early thought, considering, I guess, early drives we still have to hunt, to communicate, to love (?) or care, to have recognition, to be understood and remembered, to make a mark of our existence. etc. I really feel convinced that advanced civilizations have lived on earth for millions of years and were probably extinguished. The population of the caves had somehow begun to scratch a new civilization without formalized intelligence, infrastructure, books, or machines, but the primitive grit of going on and doing a community from herds of others, perhaps, and from nature only. Amazing! Thanks for your study!
Don't be silly. There are no people living around "that time". Art was produced throughout glacials and interglacial periods in open air sites, caves, mobiliary, ornaments etcetra for 40 thousand years. These people were frkking busy just surviving and ocasionally had some time and energy to decorate. Just like you would when you have some spare time.
Yes proven cataclysmic event around 10000 years ago by meteor impact or solar flare outburst probably the first one since they recently found the crater of the impact dating 10000 years ago
To any one with a background in linguistics that makes a lot of sense. I am sorry some people here just miss the point. How do you expect her to give answers to such fundamental questions? It might take decades before we have a cohesive story of how human mind, speech and writing evolved.
She has made a career out of trying to answer a particular, fundamental, question. Why is it that wonder why some seek answers (even tentative ones) from her? Are you just trolling or are you of the mindset that "muh patriarchy" should sum up her analysis?
+Lisa Vokorina How do you know that the symbols are linguistic in nature? Maybe they are a system of counting or they are not just some very rudimentary artistic expression. Some of the most basic symbols are squares and triangles. The argument that they are present over a geographical spread does not mean they are not doodles.
What an amazing job she has. Getting to see the first steps of becoming a thinking Human. Thank you so much for you effort, truly amazing and deserving of respect.
Joe C Terence McKenna stoned ape Theory read the book or listen to the audio book and you will see why some of these drawings in the caves got pretty crazy different types of bees and sacred geometry type shapes
These people were already thinking humans. 50, 000 years is not enough for one species to transition into another, these people were the same thing you are. And it's not like we are that special either, Neanderthals were using complex chemical reactions to produce a kind of superglue for their tools 200, 000 years ago. Abstract thought goes waaay back still. So show some respect.
Nothing amazing going on here. You can't have a real discussion about this without mentioning the role extraterrestrials played in our "evolution". The majority of those cave paintings had images of spacemen in suits and various flying craft.
Les Booth, although fascinating, not many experts and academics perscribe to the stoned ape theory. Plus, the idea that ingesting psilocybin in the volumes suggested by Terrence are rather copious. Plus, its just a wild leap of speculation to think our minds grew and developed, due to new senaptic pathways being formed in this manner. Its cool, but highly unlikely.
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10,000 yrs from now When trains and subways are discovered crushed and buried By plate tectonic Some archeologists will be making same speech about graffiti.
To be honest, I find the idea that those signs would likely come from a common origin a bit far-fetched. Most shapes are so simple and based on natural things that I'd say it's perfectly possible for them to have emerged independently of each other - a line, a hand, a bird in flight, a smile, an eye, etc. If there were common combinations of signs that can be found in many places, that would be something entirely different.
Some of the signs are definitely not simple or common symbols of things in nature, like the asterisk, crosshatch, cruciform, pectiform, segmented cruciform, scalariform, zigzag, spiral, tectiform, etc. If it were easy for them to have emerged across thousands of miles, cultures/tribes, and thousands of years, without any form of communication over distances. Then why are more modern written languages and symbols not more similar?
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@@kimthetruthofit6965 Even if that actually is the shroud of Turin, none of the extra images you show are there, it's just shadows and blobs. Why do you have to make your religion and the bible try to describe everything? The bible has been composed of many different older stories. There is truth in the bible, but also a lot of fabrication. Ancient knowledge is much older than Christ. He was probably real and an enlightened being, but many have come before him. Try to open your mind and look to cultures much older than the bible. Also, aliens are not inherently evil, as they probably had a hand in creating humans via genetic engineering. Many ancient cultures across the world have depicted their gods as non-humans coming down from the skies (space).
@@tbnzet Fancy names for common shapes in nature..just think about the fractals of a fern leaf or snowflakes..a crosshatch is used over animal trapping pits etc. Not difficult.
Things you write on cave walls are also very easy to quickly sketch in dirt, sand, or snow. Thus, much innovation was likely allowed to develop, and spread far beyond the mouths of the caves where we find them now.
The paintings were done by the ancient Basque people (southern France & northern Soain) living in caves during the ice age. The outside world was inhospitable. In Basque mythology, heaven was a warm place under the ground. Spirits of the dead came from underground through the tunnels to visit the living. The living kept them at bay by always having a fire lit at the entrance to the cave. The cave paintings are messages to the dead, requests for a good hunt, etc. They were done by the women. They were in the farthest reaches of the tunnels so the spirits of the dead could see them.
Shelter means survival. We were once just one among many predators. There are also myths and legends about raining fire, which may very well be true regarding increased radiation and more intense meteor showers.
This are the earliest "zigeunerzinken". These are signs to things you needed to know about your surroundings at that time. Things like good hunting or trap setting area. Fishing ponds, rivers and other water sources. Warnings signs of dangerous places or predators or even safe spaces who are easy to protect or hide. Signs of fertile land for farming, of fruit trees. Some could indicate next shelters or other friendly or hostile tribes. The only thing you need to do to decode this is; gather information of the surrounding area of the found signs and make find the conections. And i would go for the most obvious as this isnt a secret code but intended for simple and universal language.
@@Billainthewild yeah went through the comments aswell. i dont know why it isnt obvious. But im a idiot savant so there are lots of things that normal ppl comprehend while i struggle.
This is a good talk, for about 4 to 5 years I have been illustrating petroglyph symbolism in my artwork. I concentrate mainly on the UK, Wales, Scotland, and Irland also recently some of the signs in this film are visible on Orkney. Not sure where the images from the film at 8-49 minutes in are from, however, these same complex geometrical signs are visible on Orkney. Also, at 10-51 on the film the feather plant or symbol from Spain is a common symbol from Orkney... I get the feeling from studying and painting these symbols that they are signs from our ancient ancestors trying to reinterpret natural forms or even subconscious shamanic coding. Fanciful thinking I know, however since using these symbols and mixing with archetypes I feel like my consciousness has expanded. I think neolithic people were much like us today, and they were still using these symbols, what if it is the precursor to modern language and the expansion of human consciousness? I think this is a credible perspective of the evolution of written or even spoken language and conscious creative action in creating the symbols. This is a link to my artwork... peteryankowski.co.uk/
A fascinating talk. I am and have been always fascinated by signs especially cave art. Can you imagine how much cave art is still hidden around the world. Thank you.
The spiral shape is a Hopi migration symbol. I'm wondering if the modern Hopi wisdom keepers could shed some light on what some of these other shapes mean. In other words, there may still be indigenous peoples who understand these symbols, and that seems an obvious place to start.
SunPower Guru Hey pal, why don't you look up a Phoenician alphabet and see how familiar it looks? Then ask yourself if a small tribe of stone-age people can maintain there's, except for 10x the time scale. Good luck. :D
Yes, languages and writing systems have been lost to time. This doesn't imply that ALL systems must eventually go this route. As I pointed out, the spiral is a known Hopi symbol... it's meaning is still known, at least as used by the Hopi. This seems to me to be proof positive that the meanings of some of the other symbols might still be known too. If you think it's impossible, well... I'm ok with that.
SunPower Guru And how long has the Hopi tribe been culturally distinct? A thousand years at best? We don't need them to tell us that characters can last a long time, because the Latin Alphabet has also survived, and twice as long as that. But all cultures gradually change over time and become unrecognizable to their past. Languages with a writing system probably change slower, because the culture can be passed down in physical form, generation to generation. But stone age people with no writing system have basically zero chance to pass down cultural information for 30 thousand years. Ever tried to play the game "telephone" with a chain of thousands of people?
That Would Mean They Had Already Invented 'Scaffolding', Perhaps They Already Knew About the 'MATRIX' & Could Fly ! ? Besides , It Was Just a 'Fill in the Dots Toddlers Art Studio ? The' Original 'Little People' Maybe ? - ALICE , Following the 'MAD HATTER' ? - Dropped His 'Pipe', & It Rolled Deeper & Deeper ? - The 'Primordial Psych' Painting his 'Girl Friend' as the "BEAST" with HORNs ? DE'JA VU ?
Only humans have taken communication to another level? Wrong. Orca have mastered communication to an arguably equal level and have even been shown to have regional languages. That is to say Orca from one area of the globe would be unable to understand orca from another like an English speaker would be unable to understand someone from a foreign country
I really love your description and really good aptitude for storytelling. You're a wonderful speaker. I'm definitely jealous of your job because that is the best job I could think of at least one of them! Well all right so I'm just going to say this you know I I did study anthropology undergraduate but that was a lifetime ago. I maintain an interest. You know I'm probably sure that in the framing of what you said about how the climate was in the tundra and the glaciers but you've at least put yourself in the perspective of those early hominids and humans in that environment and realize that often times they used those caves as refuge like we do if there's a blizzard for a hurricane and I'm pretty sure you have an idea that sometimes they use those caves like wolves and dogs and bears use to house their young when they go off to acquire food. So you you mentioned I don't know what would cause someone to get this deep in this low and make this graphic mark on the wall? I don't know I mean I put myself in that situation as you were talking and I thought huh well and that's tight space it was probably a child and could be they were blocked in there for a long time if there was a storm or some kind of thing they were avoiding for a stretch of time kid gets bored picks up a stick and starts making a mark That's I don't know the thought that creeps up into my mind and not very tight space that you were in the only communication that Mark could make with another is someone else who would go in there and if it was a kid or someone else who might be hiding out in that environment you'll probably be a sibling another child I think that the bigger spaces you know maybe the kid is mimicking with the parents are doing on the rest of the wall maybe they're counting days it could be a way to mark how long a blizzard might be for it could just be a mark of boredom but you know when we do doodles there are repetitions I mean I used to be a big doodler and I used to repeat signs a lot but I'm sure there's not only commonality with my work over time but I'm sure some of the things that I have written were so basic that they were repeated by other people and I never communicated with them. Anyway these are the thoughts that came to mind when you were talking. I think that all I'm saying is that work is extremely important but maybe you might be jumping to the wrong conclusions or making it sound more mysterious than it should be. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions I don't know but I mean really all we can do is speculate. I think the first surviving alphabet that affected every other alphabet there's a Phoenicians to see people's probably had something to do with it and you know you know Spain and France and Italy are all along the Mediterranean I don't know you know that could be the antecedent of the sea peoples that's an interesting idea. Not every riding is inspired a lot of it can be just out of boredom and that significant too this is all significant no matter what the reasoning behind it is. We have to remember we have to remember that when when we talk about human discoveries oftentimes it does involve boredom and accidents. You know a doodle can become a work of art it can start off as just a mark on the wall and then inspiration comes I could have taken thousands of years for that mark to become a work apart but we also can't assume that everybody who picked up a stick or created pain or marked the wall and whatever way they could wasn't adult or doing so with a preconceived notion of communicating or even creating anything that someone else might understand. These markings remind me of markings that you see in like movies about people who are planning to defend themselves or attack somebody in dirt or sand and they're explaining something another group you know a TED Talk from the Stone age 🤩 Okay so I just had this like really funny idea know my name is Deborah and in Hebrew that means honey bee and it made me think when I was thinking about the early humans or hominids congregating in these caves I was thinking of bees and how they will go back to the hive after kind of a truck and then they will go back to the hive in and tell everybody else where they found whatever and then they'll do a dance I'll be dance that gives them the exact location of of a source of pollen. No I mean these markings could be you know some kind of communication that's vital I think would be either vital or bored it's like the only thing that can really come to mind because you know not many people can get into these caves it's not like you have whole communities you probably have families and maybe maybe a couple of generations or aunts & uncles and cousins together but you know we're not talking about even a hundred people congregating these are small groups in these caves. I think language systems only work when you're talking about communities of families who have to defend themselves from other communities of other families I think that's when we get language I think when you get to art for art sake you know that takes quite a bit of imagination and skill and I would say that that would probably have to go inside with the most purposeful task which is to create tools but you have an idea what you want ahead of time see you envision it. I think I do that all the time anybody goes to home Depot with a project in their mind does that I think it's a very human thing to have that kind of concept and see it too fruition or not in my case not. I think doodles can inspire that kind of happening. I'm so happy that somebody's actually looking at this and studying it and marking it down excuse the pun. This is so truly fascinating work. One thing that can be done to coincide with this work is to watch two and a half to four year olds and how they doodle and Mark and create art for the first time when they start to pick up a pen or pencil or marker or crayon and they start making markings with either paint or tools like markers and pencils. I think it would be interesting to just watch what they do in a sandbox what they do when they get bored. I do think that we are reaching into the deep recesses of human existence and behavior and sometimes it's right in front of us.
I'm also very much interested in the evolution of creativity and the representation-making process. Humans didn't just appear one day as if out of nowhere and were able to draw a Mona Lisa (or whichever painting you find admirable). Genevieve, like you said, there were no shoulders for these people... but if we can be honest: today is very much the same. There are shoulders to a certain extent... when you get to that border of where knowledge can take us there are no shoulders but nature herself. We have become so good at making representations of reality that we tend to forget the representations are not reality itself. They are representations, abstractions, sometimes even simulations of reality. Same for in our minds, we carry a microcosm which in essence is a mental simulation of reality to predict danger. It can also be called a worldview. These people did not really share a collective worldview over the internet or media... or through science... and yet there are only 32 signs! What is up with that? I personally firmly believe that nature has a plan for us humans and that she shows us the way... you just have to learn how to read the signs... I think we are able to connect to nature in a profound, meaningful and transformative way. Thank you Genevieve for this talk.
Wilco Lensink I agree that there is no problem with having just a handful of signs . Each one could be a paragraph or even a page of information. 4 lines together and a dot could have all the content of a book as we know it.
I'm pretty sure that folks crawled in at least some of those areas even way back then. Perhaps the caves seemed no more harsh to them back then than the above ground world....perhaps even less so. For many the underground at that time was considered a holy place to the nature based religions and in a sense they would go that extra mile to get closer to God essentially.
Few symbols means some kind of importance I know that Abraham Maslow (1908 - 1970) only had small cotact with anthropologists.But his "Hierarchy of needs" could be used in this context. Cos what if some of the symbols were used to indicate what status the cave was(owner or free) and the next 2 the first 2 stages(Physiological needs, Safety needs).
Invoking Maslow feels like a stretch. Maybe you can expand on this theory-as of now I'm not agreeing (as if my input holds any weight). and, what is "Cos"?
so these were the first nursing care plans based on Maslow Hierarchy of needs........brainy joke..................... good writing.................. thank you
IF they were using the same symbols for the same things across a continent, that is a continent-wide written language. No language has a separate graphic for every sound, object, and concept. That's not how language works. You hobble together simple symbols to approximate more complex concepts for which you don't have a direct symbol. That's what poetry is, in fact: the attempt to convey complex meaning with relatively simple symbols(words are symbols). It's an act of creative emergence, in that the meaning is made to emerge from the pattern, the arrangement of the words, but is not contained directly in the words themselves. It's connotative, and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. So it's not what we may usually think of as "Language", as a one to one list of symbols and their corresponding meanings. It's more vague, suggestive, and approximate, in order to get at the infinite meanings too complex or undefined for direct symbolism(you'd have to have an infinite list of symbols.) But it's still language. IF they were using a primitive written language, that raises some interesting questions: Is it a remnant of an older language(common source)? Or is the infancy, or an infancy, of language, in which case, if it is in common, they are in communication across vast distances. But that latter only make sense if there is something akin to a civilization with common culture and trade routes. Otherwise how does the concept of a certain symbol for a certain meaning get from one distant group to another? If an older common source language is the explanation, it suggests an even older civilization, with written language. Then you're talking about extending backward the date of earliest written language, and therefore also civilization, by a factor of 5 or 10, from 6000, to 30,000-60,000 years, at a guess. So the first alternative is more comfortable, but still not very comfortable. How, and why, would those ice age cavemen be in communication and sharing a burgeoning culture in its infancy over vast distances?
brindlebriar People in the ancient past traded over much greater distances than we, until recently, gave them credit for. One reason was to gain access to distant resources. Think of cocoa residues found in pots from Cahokia, near St. Louis MO. Another was to form relationships, so that in times of trouble (drought, invasion, etc) they had other places to visit until the trouble was past. Think of Malinowski telling about the Trobriand islanders trading shell necklaces from island to island, shells that were available locally so the trade seems pointless. They were testing the waters, determining who would be fair or even generous, so they would know who to come to with items for trade when it really mattered.
The drawing of geometrical symbols in its earliest stage is nothing more than that. Just drawings. They were, however, a necessary first step to be used as the basis (let's call it a "proof of concept") for later development of a system of writing for transferring knowledge.
I love this. The passion and dedication shown to an overlooked area of our early pre-history. It's so fascinating, the symbols so tantalising and enigmatic, yet familiar too. I just wonder what they were carving onto wood at the same time, that has been lost to time. A bit like stonehenge being a representation in stone of a much older and perishable wooden architecture.
Oh god she said pronoun, everyone run to your safespaces, put your pink hair on and get your sjw spears out lol... on a serious Note we as a species need to stop making everthing all about just ourselves and whether or not we are offended by words of a stranger, violating rights of another so you get your way or making the most money And come together as a whole and figure out what all These monolithic structures Are and lost civilizations are all about...i fear its a look Into our future. They either Made them using dinosaurs Are Aliens by the BILLIONS Just showed up and landed everywhere...They will return and its said that the time is overdue. We need to Be ready or all are doomed
Spoken language and graphic representation almost certainly develop alongside each other. "Tree dawn hunt" has a clear meaning and can be represented in three signs. Everything else is embellishment, even in spoken language.
Spoken language’s development can be traced back to the brain growth, as that explosive growth involved language processing centers growth in tandem with cognitive prefrontal cortex growth at a rate faster then the normal evolutionary female reproductive system could keep up, making it too difficult for female to give birth to a self sustaining and mobile child. This development took places thousands of years before any written language came about in a sustained ideographic manner.
Are you sure about them developing alongside ? I heard from another film that language only developed about 5000 years, and it developed from a type of chanting. If this is true, then the written graphics would have been our earliest form of communication, apart from body language and exclamatory grunts, and LONG pre-dated speech. And you say that "Tree dawn hunt" has a clear meaning, but I don't understand it ! Was that a typo ? Did you mean "Pre dawn hunt" ?
A topic very few people are acquainted with that was well stated. Thank You so much young lady. It is an interesting subject that we know little about.
@@Xelmo187X - Good catch guys! IF there was a flood or floods then debris caught up in the caves would have been a GOOD resource! And the marks look like cave markers or which cave am I in and when I cave it is NOT a language...they are just markers or reminders to me... I need language to tell others about it or what to look for; like, small aquatic eggs, water fowl eggs, dry dock, dry storage, fresh water caches, natural stair up to cache, strong current ahead, here not there, needs a ladder, biting eels which would be a natural in caves and good, quick eating, etc.
Synchronicity (which I think can have roots in the past). Wouldn't it be fascinating to inhabit human consciousness in a specific (reflective) human being back in that time to see the world through that individuals eyes just to know what they really thought and felt as opposed to what everyone conjectures?
I was surprised by how 4300 people could dislike this. Then I realized that was really close to the spread between 1 standard deviation and 2 standard deviations on a Bell Curve, the guys you would not want to be liked by, anyway.
lol one hive mind comment followed by another hive mind "refutal"... modern human is one useless bee collecting fecal matter for their hive, living the life of a puppet, an ignorant fool brainwashed into believing that the waste heap they call "home" or the idiotic lifestyle that they align to means anything beyond their bubble.
It is not a bubble. It is a box. We are put in a box at birth. We live in a box, and we get buried in a box. It is unfortunate that so few of us recognize the bubble/box.
If you believe, as I do, that these cave painters were survivors of previous civilisations who had advanced technology , before disasters destroyed them, then the cave geometric shapes and other signs, then could make sense. It’s their remembrance and remnants of their written language.
@@victorvelie3980 Definitely. An advanced civilization would have left plenty of undeniable proof of their existence. Not a handful of triangles, handprints and stick-figures that if you squint, tilt your head and disregard all the evidence they're made by primitive humans, you might be able to shoehorn your idea in there.
Christ Trinder At some point, cave artist "wrote" what others in their time might write on the soil and get easily deleted while some others documented over clay-ostraca.
I did my thesis on basic geometric shape in art from ancient times to modern and when I took "magic" mushrooms (Irish) for the first time it all made a lot more sense.
I showed the image of “the inscription” to a thai friend without any explanation that its an ancient cave in Spain she told me that says “thank you” ขอบคุณ
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One major problem with our interpretation of this cave art is the way that we are lighting them when we take pictures or other recordings of them. Ancient hominins from the period would have had some kind of open flame lantern. It has been demonstrated by other scholars that the combination of an open flame light source, the art, and the contours of the rock on which they are written produced a kind of rudimentary animation, or 3D storyboard. To fully understand the purpose of ancient cave markings requires more culturally and materially relativistic investigation.
to fully understand what u saying watch the movies Ice Age..! yep
Pardon me, but do you have any reference source regarding any scholars' interpretations of light source/3D movement? Ive just begun researching primitive cave art. I have ordered the book World Rock Art. I ran across this video and find what some scholars' believe in the lighting.....it makes perfect sense! Their only perspective in dark caves was from flame. Thank you in advance 🌹
maybe they had multiple people in there holding torches to illuminate it all
add to that shrooms or other things they also consumed and the whole thing becomes its own movie
How cool! Man humans are awesome
That green door the cavemen installed was functional, yet festive.
Just made me lose The Game. Thanks.
Could be one of those doors Early Grace talked about in the movie Kalifornia.
I've seen the movie beyond the green door. Not that good. Boring
I don't know what they're doing, but they laugh a lot behind the green door.
I doubt that is the original color.
What if they were just the first tripadvisor reviews? “Great cave - bad wifi - good ventilation - stayed for 3 nights - i’ll rate it 5 fingers”
Actually there’s a modern homeless glyph graffiti system that serves a similar purpose to what you’re thinking of... and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an ancient concept, there’s some sort of memorialization going on
I believe they are equivalent to Emojis, Girls now can talk for hours just by using Emojis.
Hysterical
😂😂😂😂
"Bed was mushy, however, would spelunk here again."
I read her book, First Signs. It's really fascinating and worth looking at. Her idea to catalog abstract markings in ancient inscriptions across Europe to try to assign meaning is unique and gives evidence of very extensive social organization among people in the remote past.
Thanks for name-dropping the book, topic seems mighty interesting, think I'm gonna order it.
The caves were the closest things that early man had to a refrigerator. The kids drawings always end up in the refrigerator.
yes and maybe they used to store meat far back in caves
Ha ha.kids drawings on fridges.so the kids drew them
Did they get a spanking when they drew on the walls?
@@draggin-up9911 "an ifiot?" lol Are you "stupif" or something? 🤷🏻♂️
Lots of the cave Art is phony. The Symbols are real
www.stolenhistory.org/threads/prehistoric-cave-art-appears-to-be-fake-all-of-it.198/
Not only are the 32 symbols barely discussed, but the question about why they are so widespread is only addressed as “that is a story for another lecture”. C-
Thank you. I was worried the title was going to be fairly clickbaity when the talk started with "there is something about caves"!
When I'm in a cave I often find myself wondering wtf am I doing in a cave?
Said Batman after another concussion....
Sure cave boy sure
I know, right?
Same here.
I'd be afraid a spider was gunna drop into my hair ...
I'm imagining that these symbols were written all over the place but they only survived in caves.
exactly. It's easy to imagine animal skins marked with symbols outside of dwellings, wooden posts and so on. All lost to time, but the people 30k years ago, were essentially as smart and capable as we are now.
@@matthewbooth9265 not really, just knew how to survive in their time
@@KennyCollins1962 The size of the human brain hasn't really changed in as long as 300000 years. If would definately imply that they were as smart as we are now.
We underestimate the technological advancements the very first civilizations had, whose reminisces have indeed been lost to time. They may have been MORE advanced than us.
@Alan Oranday Definitely not more advanced. If they'd used plastics and even been making lead...there would be clear chemical records of it to be found in the ice cores from that period. Yes we have ice cores going back hundreds of thousands of years. Modern human activity is leaving a huge mess behind it. Anything similar in the past would have done the same.
The emotion she is going through the talk shows how passionate she is about her work!
Love and respect. ❤
Agreed!
Seems feigned!
Um..... Smash!
No doubt
Don't have feelings, have thoughts. Feelings know nothing use them for expression, thought knows everything that can be known, use it for everything else.
maybe the cave floors weren't so high 40k years ago. lotsa water could have flowed through since then and added dirt to the cave....
Usually the opposite happens when water gets in caves, seismic shift could have happened.
Maybe they were extremely small people.
@@shaquilleoatmeal5975 or maybe you just have one of the best names on youtube
Brandelgast Fergandilly I mean ... your name isn't too shabby at all either ;)
ChunkeyMonkey xd ikr? That's coming from a guy named Brandelgast Fergandilly
"Why always in cave?"
Simple answer: The others outside where washed away by rain!
Seems pretty obvious, that a cave is a much more controlled ecosystem.
@@Mitzoplick And gave them shelter from wheater and wild animals who are hunting in the night.
THANK YOU!
these people were not stupid they knew that marking in caves not exposed to any sort of weather would always be there they were just like us. Who in this world like to do the same task over and over again these people were practical people just like we are today no less no more
Makes total sense, thanks. Never thought of that.
Imagine thousands of years into the future. An alien archaeologist (or perhaps a creature evolved from meerkats) is trying to work out what "keep left", "hard hat mandatory" and "no tumble dry" symbols mean.
The word "ritual" will no doubt occur.
by then they will have rusted away .Modern man leaves wall art or graffiti so usually a rather angry seen or spraying like dog pee .Wouldn't say much about us ..
I live now and those fabric tags that only have symbols for care blow my mind...can you imagine them finding 10123 irons...and yet there probably a zillion irons in weird places...because we use them so little...they are up away almost looking more decorative than functional. Id cannot underground small space ...thats what scares me to death
@@kathleenjones5835 what?
And all the superdomes will be called Temples.
And Imagine their thoughts on TrainCar Graffiti !🤔
I would like to pose the possibility that they were the map of the cave system. Cave systems can be very confusing but a mark that says that way to the opening would be essential.
Good observation.
Subway code
As i read your comment, i immediately thought of tramp signs, the 'code of the road '.
Thank you 🙏🏿
How about the hunting scenes and animal pictures?
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Why did this ted talk seem like the entire thing was an introduction then, when you think she is going to start talking about it in detail, the talk ends....
Thanks! That talk is so strange. Here are the symbol i worked on all this years. *5 seconds* Okay next picture. What is the whole point of this talk?
Right some could be pictures from an 8 year old child and we wouldnt be any wiser
@@MegaBorusse1900 that's what I was wondering i guess i gained some new information. But i figured she'd be raising big questions about the missing links in our evolution. That's what I was hoping for.
It seems she's telling us something wholly new. The cave paintings don't just depict animals but also feature regularly occurring symbols, suggesting a form of written communication that predates every other alphabet. That's an awesome point. She showed plenty of images for 5 seconds to get her point across, of course she still doesn't understand the alphabet enough to explain it more.
Its so annoying when that happens
Just occurred to me while watching (for the second time, as I saw it few years back already): first, as little as I know, if people were equipped with only the torch (with some pitch), there would be lot of soot on the roof of the ceiling. I believe this wasn't always the case, so I'm rather thinking they used to bring the material for making the fire and lit a fire that lasted several hours. A follow-up thought is, what in the world these people do in such remote parts of caves for so long? My memory suggested a solution: for example, the Native Americans had an initiation ritual where young men on the brink of adulthood went to a remote place to keep vigil and dream and follow their dreams. When they kept vigil for several days and nights (plus ate who knows what mushrooms or herbs which could have brought the visions even more reliably and sooner), they got dreams/visions and they remembered them. Then they went back to their tribe and let their shaman know and he would help them interpret the dreams. On the basis of this, they got their warrior name, and searched for some essence of that dream and when found, prepared it and made their own "medicine" that they wore in a pouch hanging around their neck.
So, what if these places were likewise the places of their young men's vigil or initiation rites? What if the pictures on the wall were the expression of their dreams and visions?
Yes, and some of the rock art takes advantage of bumps and variations in the rock's surface to give it depth - I knew someone who had seen some cave paintings by candlelight, and he said the 3D animals seemed to move in the shifting light. And they were all running toward the mouth of the cave, as if all being born, along with the vision quester emerging.
Puh-leez
@@DavidHeizer it's not art
Burning animal marrow does not create soot. Altamira-watch this movie.
I wish I remembered my visions when I take mushrooms and the like. Its like I unlock the mysteries of the universe while on mushrooms, but then forget it all when I goto sleep.
The caves in SW France were like condominiums. Warm secure with high ceilings and walls to paint on the way we hang pictures. I visited Peche-Merle and was amazed by the beautiful paintings of fish horses ‘bison’ and hand prints like signatures and a river running through. A true underworld and the origin of later Styx and Homeric underworld of Classical mythology.
Embellishing!!!
Turns out we were selling them very short here about them just being pieces of art for them to get hammered and stare at. We have cracked the code of at least some of the symbols. They were used to predict the time of year animals were breeding and giving birth and then they could catch them in large herds for hunting. This makes them a form of Proto-Writing, predating other forms by a whopping 10,000 yrs or more. The Magdalenian people became a crucial culture of later Europeans to come.
Perhaps they were able to do this because those that came before them had domesticated dogs some 18,000 yrs earlier and would have learned their breeding habits and times they gave offspring.
I don't think they had to pay rent though
and proven as absokute fakes lol
Man that hand print shown near the start of the video really got to me for some reason. It’s like our ancestors telling the harsh world, “We are here, and we’re here to stay.”
CommittingSloth aye, that’s what hit me too, as if they wanted to tell the futurekind that “I was here, it’s all I have to say”
...for a while."
Note- 5 fingers, there were giants with 6 fingers, maneaters. See in the days of Noah by Billy crone
How do we not know it wasn't from a teenager using a can of spray paint just a few years ago? Lol
@@Jrome3 yup mot of it is probably fake af
All I could think about when I watched this video was "hobo" signs. Perhaps signs telling others of what benefits or dangers lurked in the surroundings, like a treasure map for a transient population. It certainly points to a certain level of awareness that separate "others" might benefit from this knowledge. I am a not at all familiar with this area of study though, so I could just be restating the obvious.
Or the Underground railroad.
I thought this too.
Exactly, or maybe an early form of documentation.
i really hoped we would see the 32 symbols more than just a peek.
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the first written language happened 2.856 million years ago this planet has been cleaned 53 times that we know of that is really all you need to know to get there
google scholar has a free copy of her PhD paper
@@stevedussault2530 link?
Pause?
I have seen petroglyphs from the Arizona and New Mexico deserts that is incredibly similar. Tick marks, deer and bison, spirals, rectangles. No cave involved and carved not painted but the symbols are the same.
Different time period....
Super fascinating! I often wonder about the histories that occurred long before we were able to share them with future generations. Your work is so important. Thank you for sharing this!
I'm almost certain that one of those signs meant "Woah let's remember the time when we totally almost died fighting that mammoth."
Fer sure man. Getting trampled by a pissed off mammoth would be a drag...
Or perhaps a sympathetic magic ritual done before hunting. Where some peoples believed that drawing the scene as successful before it happened would make the hunt successful.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 That's a good idea, fits in with the power of visualization that we have.
@@fobbitoperator3620 You would be a pancake.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 That's very possible. I'm sure they used to do that believing it would give them good luck. What if they went and there WERE no mammoths because the herd had moved on?
I lived in Morocco and I married there. My husband was the only one in the family who spoke English. When he went to the store or went to work all of us communicated and laughed at the same time and knew what the other person meant even though we didn't have a common language. I had learned quite a bit of conversational Arabic a lot of it was Moroccan Arabic known as darija but his family had no even working knowledge of English. We seemed not to need it in the evenings we spent out on the porch under the family olive tree. We entertained each other and we communicated in a way that we all understood I never knew before how many symbols I could make with my hands! :-)
It is possible that this is something like convergence. The symbols are often quite basic . . . triangles, circles, zigzag. These can represent mountains, the sun or moon, and lightning. These could have arisen in isolated, groups that did not contact each other. Given the limited media available, there may well be an element of inherent symbology in us . . . particularly drawing from the natural world.
It could. But it could be aliens.
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 You could make a fortune working for Discovery.
Not just aliens, but ancient aliens that visited in the past. That would make it more Discovery worthy.
Antifa did it
" there may well be an element of inherent symbology in us" It would be fascinating to look at what children draw in primitive tribes where they are not exposed to 2D art, if any such places exist.
Why all the dislikes???... what people were expecting?... I don't care about others but I find this fascinating. Thanks for the great work!
Because it's titled: "Why are these 32 symbols found in caves all over Europe?" - and over 12 minutes of video later, there is zero answer as to "why" ...only that there are 32 symbols found in caves all over Europe. The video doesn't even begin to answer the question it asks, so it's a misleading waste of time. When you're a researcher, it's your JOB to answer the questions you ask. Scientists don't publish papers or give lectures when all they have are questions. That's less than even the *first* step of forming a hypothesis...That makes this TED talk all fluff with no substance whatsoever.
+Zashorigin Because this is just speculation. There isn't enough information in the archaeological record to make sense of these "32 symbols". They span thousands of years and thousands of miles and there's a very good possibility that any similarities are coincidental. Of course we'll probably never know.
Cabbage Head
Neveetheless, any discovery takes time and because they don´t know everything, like nobody knows everything from those times and there´s always speculation, future generations might be able to know and even if they don´t know much more, it´s still fascinating.
+Zashorigin they are mras that downvote any video with a woman in it or in the titile.
+Zashorigin It is fascinating---for one thing, we got to see more of the actual art, and for another, we found out "the state of the art"---that no one had even catalogued the geometrical signs until now.
Thank you for taking the time to explore and document these early artworks. I'd also like to thank you for doing the presentation. Great information and very interesting...
The 32 symbols were standard on early keyboards.
Really?
hahaha
@@theyoungsomali Totally agree !!
point/link me to the evidence to back up what you said please and thx.
That just goes without saying. Grog's version of QWERTY.
THANK YOU for rigorously documenting these geometric shapes. What an oversight that it has not been done. Great job.
The comment section - while funny to read- is telling us: we’re not that far away from the cavemen...
Modern day human couldn't survive in a cave now we are weak
Or cavemen weren’t that far away from us... 🤯
They were way ahead of us.
I look like a caveman, but wouldn't last 5 mins in their world, I'm even scared Of The dark
I was thinking just that very thing.
This is why I am so damn proud to be human. We create things, we have crazy ideas about how things could be and we are capable of learning. Too bad most humans would rather forget and just watch TV when there's so much potential just waiting to be unleashed.
+Vít Savický 'we created all
+nolove4thuglife why do you use all caps so much?
+Vít Savický
Well said! Unfortunately, we've also created social media, where people seem to think anything they don't already know about is worthless and that their uninformed opinion is as significant and valuable as the attempts to understand of someone working full-time in that field. I support your pride, but there's despair as well.
We do not hear each other..social media is a way to say something to somebody...
+nolove4thuglife Hou je mond idioot. Het nadeel van het Internet dat village-idiots nu ook een podium hebben terwijl ze vroeger met pek en de veren het drop werden uitgetrapt.
There has been great evolution in the written language. From 32 symbols written on cave walls in Spain 5000 years ago to the modern era, when man can post stupid comments to videos on RUclips. 5000 years from now, some archeologist will unearth an I phone. But he will not be able to see the stupid comment because the battery will be dead.
lcagee Or they'll see the stupid comment but be unable to translate it and think it has some profound deep meaning like those butt prints on that cave wall
واقعا چرا اینجوری شده چرا چرا چرا؟
Good thing the NSA downloads everything put on the internet ever and stores it on their servers
+Graver: If they ARE butt prints, and they might be, that's certainly relevant to understanding our concept of humor.
Mike Williamson Well if it is, it definitely shows that our humour hasn't changed much, which humour in itself is a complexity to begin with. We might be able to reason that they had around the same mental capacity that we do today, although there's not enough data to obviously conclude that but it's an interesting thought.
Even during the opening few lines, I cannot but smile at the TED-like manner of presenting an interesting topic. TED Talks may have fed our hunger for exploring and for learning. The cost for this was the TED-ification of its speakers.
It is very different from everything i have heard of so far.
Much of what we need to know is lost forever. Under water, completely destroyed, hidden on purpose, or lost in translation. I hope we further work on Gobecki Tepe.
At least we know where atlantis is.
Let's create a new world for our children ourselves. Knowing ourselves is the key to find the truth.The way to self-realization was not closed after the Buddha or any other prophet. I wanted to find it and found it within myself and now it is everywhere. Now I just wish to give it back to our world.
I invite you all to come to United Humans Organization- www.unitedhumansorganization.webs.com and change the course of our education system and market oriented economy.
Markets and money were made for humans and not the humans for the markets and money.
Everything we really need to find is within us.It just needs a good dive within.
yeppers. can't wait until we find Edgar Cayce's golden plates, supposedly under the Sphinx but I bet Zahi Hawass (sp?) confiscated 'em. personally...I don't think we is from here originally. how long would it take for one race to become five? (is five, yes?). go look up Earthfiles here, Linda Howe did three segments on Antarctica + black sun. Underground ancient granite self-sustaining structures. WE sure dint build 'em.
Which way is the dumpster... lol
Gobleki was financed by the World Economic Forum - They excavated about 5% of this super important site and then pulled the funding with the excuse, "For future generations to discover."
Now, there's a tourist structure built around the excavation site.
How can this NOT raise any red flags? The importance of what we may discover - in my humble opinion - should FAR outweigh any lack of motivation for funding!
These people were nomadic wanderers. There are some things all wanderers need to know - where locally to find food, shelter, medicine, women to name a few. Whether it was caves, or at the shores of distant ports, or more modern hobo symbology, cross-language boundaries were broken with symbols that represented the basic needs that could be found/fulfilld in the area.
That's what they used to think. Then why'd they crawl a half kilometer to start a sketch of it? It is way way WAY out of the way. Then why also make the symbols so abstract when you could convey so much more by basic realistic drawings. These days there is the popular idea that the drawing have religious / spiritual meanings.
Caden Rolland Truth: They haven't got a clue! But, they've gotta have "a theory"; one that they can write papers on, teach classes about, apply for grants to go to the sites to study them, etc. Otherwise, they're outta work, outta funds (and might have to get REAL jobs).
@@cadenrolland5250 None of these cave systems are exactly the same as they were thousands of years ago. Finding skeletons buried, let's say for the sake of argument 10 meters deep, would mean that the cave floor itself was lower and that debris/dust/dirt had accumulated during the intervening millennia. Cave collapses/changes due to weather or quake could drastically change the inner topography of a cave system.
Second point: some abstract symbols could be related to the drawings themselves, even if just simple counters; a picture of a horse accompanied by 20 dots could mean a herd of specific size, or an extrapolation of size generally understood by the presence of those markings, not necessarily even a specific head count. If they were nomadic, perhaps they were keeping tallies from year to year as they traveled through the region again. Of course this is all speculation, but there are theories that can be applied.
It’s up to Weyland-Yutani to fund an expedition to find out what the engravings mean.
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well! 😉 I thought the whole comment section would be about Prometheus/Alien to be honest!
Very similar to "hobo codes" found on rail cars, telephone poles, peoples front gates, to let other "Bo's" know where to get some handouts, or bad watchdogs, generous housewives, and other stuff.
I think some of it is marking what types of prey and where to find good water and prime hunting around the area of each cave.
I think it would be a good idea if she were to bring an established Hunter to some of these sites. The hunter would know what areas are prime spots for hunting and other spots are prime for "spotting" prey. They probably evolved into more abstract forms when they wanted to keep information from other tribes. Those trees to me look like a way of saying summer and winter. So conclusion to me is time, place, identity of prey.
Ripley agrees!!!
@@GargoylGirl not again!
I think it is important to back away from the idea that these people were a little dimmer than we are. I think it is important, also, to use common sense. The vertical lines engraved in the wall looked to me like somebody started sharpening needles or something similar, and others used the striations down over the years, deepening the grooves. Sometimes I think that academics get caught up in how grand their theories are and how important they are and forget that folks were just living their lives. You can't go very deep analyzing tagging on box-cars. Sometimes it's good art, and sometimes it's a person clearing out their spray-can nozzle.
Caveman graffiti 😎👍
The simple truth is...we think we are far smarter (and "better") than we really are. This has the potential to be disastrous.
Interesting comment. I doubt if we'll ever really know the exact meanings behind these images and so everything's up for interpretation. Academic speculation is always interesting as long as it's recognised that it is just that - speculation. This was a fascinating lecture though.
@@Brian-pz3wh how right you are.Arrogance is the word .
@@f4fake Sounds like you have a serious inferiority complex. My experience has always been that you know yourself best and if you think you are a pos so be it.
I wish she would have gone in more in depth into the symbols themselves, but still very interesting. Good video!
But when she asked 'why was someone in that low ceiling cave? It got me to thinking:
So here are my theories in no particular order:
1. Defense would be a logical use for caves [One way in/out, defensible while eliminating flank assaults]
2. Protection from the most extreme or hostile elements [Heatwave, tornadoes, etc]
3. Since most caves are a near constant cool temperature depending on proximity to the equator. In most cases it would have been a good place to assist in the preservation of food. [it would spoil more slowly there, removed from the sun, pests, etc]
4. We all strive to have 'a place to call home', so what better choice than one pre-made and [in most cases] impervious to the elements
5. And lets not forget the coolest things about caves.... man! what an echo!
Just the echo effect yeesh what better invention for a child to have the superhero dad teach them how to do in their younger years screw the huge BAT POPULATION HANGING AROUND FLUTTERING WEVE HEARD SO MANY TIME AIM STRAIGHT FOR OUR HAIR IF ITS NOT WASHED CLEAN BY GRANDPARENTS!!!!!! YA SCREW EM LISTEN TO THE OLD MAN HAVE A SECOND VOICE COMING NACK SAYING HELLO TO US THIS IS MUCH COOLER. IM STILL SMIRK8NG THANK UPU SIR ILL LAY DOWN TONIGHT REMEMBERING MAMMOTH CAVE KENKUCKY ANF CAVES IN NORTHERN MINNRSOTA. LATER IN MY TEENS THE BATS GOT THEIR FAIR SHARE AFTER THE FACT SO DID CLAUSTRAPHOBIA IM NO LONGER A CAVE EXPLPLORER. THATS FOR REST OF THE WORLD
They had no internet bruh.
When I'm in a cave, I often find myself wondering: "Why am I in a cave? This is 2015"
lol
+miklas1911 just to make it clear, We all live in caves now. Hand built caves.
+writerconsidered
You make it sound so fancy. ..
+writerconsidered That's some deep stuff. Makes you wonder. I often wonder: "Why am I in a hand-built cave?"
+ThatOneJay123 Well it is an upgrade from cave 1.0 to like cave 12.0
It's very obvious that there were fully written languages and mathematics at least 9,000 to 15,000 years ago. We have structures around the world that attest to that. These monuments weren't constructed with only verbal communication
We have libraries and museums, they had caves to preserve their language and knowledge base.
Dale DeLatte very true, and mainstream academia will not recognize this fact simply because those earliest of builders and writers and mathematicians were white.
@@illuminated2438 huh? What are you suggesting? A world wide, ongoing conspiracy where racism of some kind trumps science and truth? And that literally everyone, millions of people, buy into it? That's a special kind of stupid you rarely see these days.
Might not be special... how do you say"get whitey"in cave language... lol
Or something/someone gave them that knowledge/helped....
Decades Ago I visited caves All over the world. I am not trained in this field ( but I knew then it was Very Very important to Document all of the signs symbols from everyone in the whole world and put the pictures in a study guide. Aka Book for future reference and study something draws me to believe we will someday figure all of it out and we need to know Why as A Human we are Naturally curious. I know I got a double dose of curiosity. Anyway our very existence may depend on finding out what our Ancestors were trying to tell us
You are right when you say that we need to find out more about our ancestors, but what we also need to do is questioning what is being put in front of us. Asking who found this? How was it done? When was it done? And mostly: REALLY? Not all that we can see is real and not all reality is visible. I like to think that many things we see have a different function; ie distract, divert, deceive and covering up the real meaning behind it. There are things that are shown via touristic leaders and when you stray from their path, you find the machinations that made this a new industry to draw people in for monetary purposes for instance. Just look deeper into the pyramids... or other topics.
Deep respect for this woman's work.
Lol, whacko
Lívia Moreira No, seriously, what do you respect about her? Her vacuous nature, the ambivalence she has to her work, her ineptitude when it comes to peer-review?
LOL. jesus
+John Redman go take a weak in nature, or put together a puzzle. You sound very angry about something incredibly ridiculous. All that stress isn't good for you.
Merry Christmas, Hannukah, all of them nice holidays, everyone. Just chill. In a cave, if you will.
LOL
Bye
She has a therapeutic voice, I can listen to her podcast every night before going to sleep.
@Lee Smith maybe. Or maybe some of us like good bedtime stories.
I also find her very sexy
@@P3L0745 beautiful in a modest way
She has a beautiful face.
Earliest human trolling. "Spray paint your butt on Grog's wall."
Archeologist: "These are complex thinkers, evolving highly developed communication skills to stay alive..."
Actually, if we determine that is a butt print--and lots of us see that it could be--that tells us we have continuity of sense of humor about certain subjects.
hehehehehehehehehehe
"The rest of the party often consults Grog for his expertise on shapes and colors." -- Grog Strongjaw, goliath barbarian
Grog also invented a drink called "Grog" 😅
johnsamu "He was a craftsman and always laughed at a good joke." - Grog's Headstone
Very interesting talk. Can't wait to hear more from you as you decifer more. Thank You, from Texas!
So humans were originally limited to 32 emojis?
+tsbrownie ahahaha XD
+tsbrownie They had to wait 25,000 years for the next iPhone, so they were stuck with them, unfortunately.
That's funny but you're correct. Everything cycles!!!! Please God don't let flares/bell-bottoms return.
Lol
+tsbrownie Or in other words, we're basically becoming cavemen again with emojis.lol
Love how she speaks, she is really clear yet passionate. Amazing so few different signs originally but back then they probably only had a limited vocabulary. Would like to hear if she has looked at the San cave art in Africa which goes back 50,000 years and is also fascinating.
In the mid 1990’s, my husband and I owned an import and export business (home and garden decor). I designed several of our items and we had them manufactured in China. On one of the many trips I took to China, we were at a factory in the mid-northern part of China far away from any cities, save for a very small village which had no infrastructure (running water, electricity, paved roads) except for the factory which had electricity from a large generator and cold tap water along with one “outhouse” with a hole in the ground). There were mountains around us that had wide long steps carved into the sides of the mountains over centuries. These steps were used as apple orchards. When I had finished my portion of business, my translator and I went up to the orchards, which were maintained by 1 old man who lived in a very small shack (smaller than an average household bathroom). He picked up a flashlight and told us to follow him. He took us to a cave and as we got further back, we were crouching to fit the passage way. He shined the light on the walls and ceiling of the cave and there were so many drawings, nothing I could understand though (and no writing or numbers), they were extremely primitive drawings. He told us that no one knew about these caves and the drawings, no academia had ever studied them. I was in awe. My translator took several pictures of them and later transferred them to a floppy disk and gave me the disk before leaving. Unfortunately, the floppy disk ended up getting sand in it (I have no idea how) and my pictures were lost forever. Still, the experience was incredible and one I’m grateful to have enjoyed. I often wonder if the caves were ever studied (I can’t find anything online about them).
Thank for sharing... That was like a very interesting short story...
You had your designs made in a factory in China with no running water and a generator? What age were the small children you had making them?
The people who painted the cave work in that factory
Do you remember the name of the town in China, or anything more specific? I bet there's a researcher who'd be interested or knows something more
Yeah.... me too
As an artist, amateur historian and very amateur archeologist, I so envy those who have this privilege of studying this puzzle!
How about bypassing your envy and contact some of those people such as this friendly-looking lady and see if you can be included somehow, as you share her passion and interest.. dream big and go for it!
u sir are a buffoon
@@manyBlessings2all Or just go and do what she did - see the caves and stuff for yourself.
The records were thread bare before she thoroughly recorded the known sites.
@@mnomadvfx ah yes, let me just use all this money I don't have and start galivanting around the world.
It should be that easy but it's not, it's not impossible either tho but you really have to be in the right place at the right time with the right degree for a lot of this
"Privilege"????? It has nothing to do with this over used word. She and her husband (obviously) work very hard to do what they do. Hard work ain't no "privilege."---from a fellow artist, amateur historian :)
When you're social distanced in an ice age, you doodle.
😷😋😁
I am doing the same thing at this time, doodling.
😄 true!
@Peter Evans When you have the credentials to make a statement like this, cite them, otherwise, remain silent please.
@Peter Evans Cite them.
I read a paper that looked at the abstractions as entopics, or kind of built-in shape perceptions experienced when humans see things in darkness or hallucinate. There seems to be patterns and shapes that emerge from the physical eye itself and the visual cortex when the visual stimuli is not sufficient (darkness, mental impairment) or sufficient enough to easily decode from memory.
To me, this suggest that the abstract symbolic writing systems that represent spoken utterance might have derived from a creative use of these naturally occurring entopic images.
By any chance, do you have a link where I can read about it? Thanks
Entoptic phenomena
ACTUALLY PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING FROM THE START.. THEIR PROBLEM WASNT SPEACKING BUT NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY WERE TOLD...
Shaun Clark Let me guess... told by TEH LORDD?
Im interested too.
I had no trouble understanding her, and I thoroughly enjoyed the talk. Very informative.
Thank you for an interesting lecture. 6:43 - The 32 symbols.
Having seen some of this Europe and many in the southwest the similarities are unmistakable.
Prehistoric cave art is awesome...I’m gonna paint the basement.
Pictures, please!
agreed !! :D
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa notes from the man cave,....................no Bud Lite allowed.............haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
The question in the title was not addressed during the lecture.
Thanks. You just saved me 12 minutes. Good grief, I hate the story-telling approach of TED. Just get to the damn point already.
You can tell she practiced Her speech word by word like 50 times. She sounds like a robot
Breezy Most speakers at TED do. I found out one guy practiced it 200 times. Considering most ppl are terrible at public speaking it makes sense
she sounded nervous.
yes it was. they believe thats all there was
Fascinating info!
I am still waiting for the next episode of this talk !
While the stories have many stylistic flaws, Jean Auel's "Earth's Children" series interestingly described the culture that Genevieve described from her different viewpoint. If you assume wide-ranging human migration, if the artists migrated, their art could be reproduced at many places and that would account for the scope of her findings.
Love that series....
Clan of the Cave Bear... my fav movie!
I'm currently reading the last book in the series, "The Land of Painted Caves." Considering all the research that goes into writing her books, I wonder if she believes the cave art is an early form of writing.
Sign, sign, everywhere are signs. Blocking out the scenery and blowing my mind.
Do this
Don't do that
Can't you read the sign
Not "blocking out," but telling the past stories of the scenery. Mind blown!
So I got me a pen and a paper, and I made up my own little sign. Thank you Lord for thinking 'bout me. I'm alive and doing fine.
@james kenyon I thought so too. I couldn't resist.
@james kenyon My first name is Steve and all my friends gave me various famous last names throughout the years. Stevie Wonder, Stevie Ray Steve McQueen, etc. Like em all but settled on McQueen.
I really liked this. The instructor/researcher made points that were very insightful: the total collective characteristics and the small numbers of region-born symbols. I really liked the conclusion whereby Dr. Boyajian said this shows the advent of formal languages and a part of this evolution of communication, most likely, was. Too, she hints that the symbols thro out Europe were based on another step from whence the cave symbols came from. I guess most of the population at that time, lived in caves and they talked and depicted their life's experiences, cooked and ate in the cave homes. I wonder if we will ever get to the point of correctly knowing what each symbol really represented and how they early thought, considering, I guess, early drives we still have to hunt, to communicate, to love (?) or care, to have recognition, to be understood and remembered, to make a mark of our existence. etc. I really feel convinced that advanced civilizations have lived on earth for millions of years and were probably extinguished. The population of the caves had somehow begun to scratch a new civilization without formalized intelligence, infrastructure, books, or machines, but the primitive grit of going on and doing a community from herds of others, perhaps, and from nature only. Amazing! Thanks for your study!
Fascinating
Don't be silly. There are no people living around "that time". Art was produced throughout glacials and interglacial periods in open air sites, caves, mobiliary, ornaments etcetra for 40 thousand years. These people were frkking busy just surviving and ocasionally had some time and energy to decorate. Just like you would when you have some spare time.
You call them cave men, I call them survivors of a cataclysmic event :)
Yup that is about what my math is adding up to as well....
Yes proven cataclysmic event around 10000 years ago by meteor impact or solar flare outburst probably the first one since they recently found the crater of the impact dating 10000 years ago
@@giespouwen8091 where is the crater?
@@forestcaine thanks for replying dude. Yeah I did some searching and did find that out. Through Graham Hancock. That guy seems to be all over it. 😉
Yeah, there was an ice age. It's not a guarded secret. Where you're being silly is in asserting that there was an advanced society.
To any one with a background in linguistics that makes a lot of sense. I am sorry some people here just miss the point.
How do you expect her to give answers to such fundamental questions? It might take decades before we have a cohesive story of how human mind, speech and writing evolved.
She has made a career out of trying to answer a particular, fundamental, question. Why is it that wonder why some seek answers (even tentative ones) from her? Are you just trolling or are you of the mindset that "muh patriarchy" should sum up her analysis?
Exactly, we haven't even confirmed Chomsky's LAD yet, we are still stuck to hypotheses when it comes to human language let alone questions like these.
grow up kid
Godfrey Jemand We do it so in thousands of years when every trace of the past has rotted away, we'll know where we came from. And that's important
+Lisa Vokorina
How do you know that the symbols are linguistic in nature?
Maybe they are a system of counting or they are not just some very rudimentary artistic expression. Some of the most basic symbols are squares and triangles. The argument that they are present over a geographical spread does not mean they are not doodles.
What an amazing job she has. Getting to see the first steps of becoming a thinking Human. Thank you so much for you effort, truly amazing and deserving of respect.
Joe C Terence McKenna stoned ape Theory read the book or listen to the audio book and you will see why some of these drawings in the caves got pretty crazy different types of bees and sacred geometry type shapes
These people were already thinking humans. 50, 000 years is not enough for one species to transition into another, these people were the same thing you are. And it's not like we are that special either, Neanderthals were using complex chemical reactions to produce a kind of superglue for their tools 200, 000 years ago. Abstract thought goes waaay back still. So show some respect.
Nothing amazing going on here. You can't have a real discussion about this without mentioning the role extraterrestrials played in our "evolution". The majority of those cave paintings had images of spacemen in suits and various flying craft.
+1
Les Booth, although fascinating, not many experts and academics perscribe to the stoned ape theory. Plus, the idea that ingesting psilocybin in the volumes suggested by Terrence are rather copious. Plus, its just a wild leap of speculation to think our minds grew and developed, due to new senaptic pathways being formed in this manner.
Its cool, but highly unlikely.
Very interesting video. The origins of art and the written word. Enjoyed this very much.Thank you TED and Genevieve von Petzinger.
...sharing is caring.....💕🙏...thanks for putting yourself out there....may you continue to have the energy and freedom to inform, educate and enlighten 🙏✨
10,000 yrs from now
When trains and subways
are discovered
crushed and buried
By plate tectonic
Some archeologists
will be making same
speech about graffiti.
Larry Boone the planet won’t live that long at this rate sadly
Lol...the 32 signs might be just be railroad hobo signs from 30000bc
@@caitlinkelly7687 Sentient A.I. android people will be studying the 'lost human civilization that created us'
@@howard5989 jeez even thanos wouldn't have taken it that far
Yeah and also graffiti have an deeper meaning and understanding to it
To be honest, I find the idea that those signs would likely come from a common origin a bit far-fetched. Most shapes are so simple and based on natural things that I'd say it's perfectly possible for them to have emerged independently of each other - a line, a hand, a bird in flight, a smile, an eye, etc.
If there were common combinations of signs that can be found in many places, that would be something entirely different.
Some of the signs are definitely not simple or common symbols of things in nature, like the asterisk, crosshatch, cruciform, pectiform, segmented cruciform, scalariform, zigzag, spiral, tectiform, etc.
If it were easy for them to have emerged across thousands of miles, cultures/tribes, and thousands of years, without any form of communication over distances. Then why are more modern written languages and symbols not more similar?
N.W.O
Our battle is not with flesh and blood!
Aliens are revealed in the Holy Shroud of Turin First image wears Crown like an Eagle Second is wearing a Crown of Righteousness Third image has HORNS in its head NOT HIGHLIGHTED is above cup image look for two grey aliens of different species Aliens are also demons. The Great Deception of Mankind is well underway. THIS KNOWLEDGE is our strength for if we know our enemy we will not be deceived by our enemies MOST IMPORTANTLY IT reveals the truth of life itself through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ He is the Saviour and reigns over ALL the dimensions on the Universe God bless you time is short
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@@kimthetruthofit6965 Even if that actually is the shroud of Turin, none of the extra images you show are there, it's just shadows and blobs. Why do you have to make your religion and the bible try to describe everything? The bible has been composed of many different older stories. There is truth in the bible, but also a lot of fabrication.
Ancient knowledge is much older than Christ. He was probably real and an enlightened being, but many have come before him. Try to open your mind and look to cultures much older than the bible. Also, aliens are not inherently evil, as they probably had a hand in creating humans via genetic engineering. Many ancient cultures across the world have depicted their gods as non-humans coming down from the skies (space).
@@tbnzet Fancy names for common shapes in nature..just think about the fractals of a fern leaf or snowflakes..a crosshatch is used over animal trapping pits etc. Not difficult.
These are depictions of plasma instabilities caused by major solar events.
Things you write on cave walls are also very easy to quickly sketch in dirt, sand, or snow. Thus, much innovation was likely allowed to develop, and spread far beyond the mouths of the caves where we find them now.
Theyre hobo signs ("Mean cops in this town") ("Nice Lady lives here") left by hobo sapiens
Laika Pupkino ... hobo sapiens..??
😂😂😂
Great pun!!!
I see you won the internet some 10 months ago. Has the excitement worn off yet?
HUH??? I don't remember posting this.
This is a great talk. I love to hear what drives people to discover new things. I think it must be incredible to spend time inside these places.
The paintings were done by the ancient Basque people (southern France & northern Soain) living in caves during the ice age. The outside world was inhospitable. In Basque mythology, heaven was a warm place under the ground. Spirits of the dead came from underground through the tunnels to visit the living. The living kept them at bay by always having a fire lit at the entrance to the cave. The cave paintings are messages to the dead, requests for a good hunt, etc. They were done by the women. They were in the farthest reaches of the tunnels so the spirits of the dead could see them.
im Basque 100% my moms side. ya, its all a tale. I know family history.
@@buddydig1 as in fairy tale?
Shelter means survival.
We were once just one among many predators.
There are also myths and legends about raining fire, which may very well be true regarding increased radiation and more intense meteor showers.
Basques don't go back more than 3500 years
Fascinating. Great to hear someone speak so knowledgeably and with such enthusiasm. Great talk. Thank you.
Brilliant...although a 2015 video, I look forward to see where the presenter's research takes her....
This are the earliest "zigeunerzinken". These are signs to things you needed to know about your surroundings at that time. Things like good hunting or trap setting area. Fishing ponds, rivers and other water sources. Warnings signs of dangerous places or predators or even safe spaces who are easy to protect or hide. Signs of fertile land for farming, of fruit trees. Some could indicate next shelters or other friendly or hostile tribes. The only thing you need to do to decode this is; gather information of the surrounding area of the found signs and make find the conections. And i would go for the most obvious as this isnt a secret code but intended for simple and universal language.
Water ...an essential ingredient to human existence.
Exactly; the first things I thought of was "hobo signs" that itinerant workers would leave along railways to communicate.
smartest thing Ive read here . Thank you
@@Billainthewild yeah went through the comments aswell. i dont know why it isnt obvious. But im a idiot savant so there are lots of things that normal ppl comprehend while i struggle.
@@chrisw3869 ah hobo signs. I didnt know what those are called in english. Thx
This is a good talk, for about 4 to 5 years I have been illustrating petroglyph symbolism in my artwork. I concentrate mainly on the UK, Wales, Scotland, and Irland also recently some of the signs in this film are visible on Orkney. Not sure where the images from the film at 8-49 minutes in are from, however, these same complex geometrical signs are visible on Orkney. Also, at 10-51 on the film the feather plant or symbol from Spain is a common symbol from Orkney...
I get the feeling from studying and painting these symbols that they are signs from our ancient ancestors trying to reinterpret natural forms or even subconscious shamanic coding. Fanciful thinking I know, however since using these symbols and mixing with archetypes I feel like my consciousness has expanded. I think neolithic people were much like us today, and they were still using these symbols, what if it is the precursor to modern language and the expansion of human consciousness?
I think this is a credible perspective of the evolution of written or even spoken language and conscious creative action in creating the symbols. This is a link to my artwork... peteryankowski.co.uk/
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lol ik you would be also interested in our fungal friends
Some runes look similar to a few if these symbols. They could have meant: River, lake, stream, well, spring, mountain, and animal names.
@@debbiecurtis4021 And the squares can mean houses, settlement sites...
Gorgeous art work!!
A fascinating talk. I am and have been always fascinated by signs especially cave art. Can you imagine how much cave art is still hidden around the world. Thank you.
The spiral shape is a Hopi migration symbol. I'm wondering if the modern Hopi wisdom keepers could shed some light on what some of these other shapes mean. In other words, there may still be indigenous peoples who understand these symbols, and that seems an obvious place to start.
+SunPower Guru Almost impossible that these would be remembered. No culture can retain its information for tens of thousands of years.
Upon what data do you base that assumption? According to your theory, we will wake up one day and forget our alphabet?
SunPower Guru Hey pal, why don't you look up a Phoenician alphabet and see how familiar it looks? Then ask yourself if a small tribe of stone-age people can maintain there's, except for 10x the time scale. Good luck. :D
Yes, languages and writing systems have been lost to time. This doesn't imply that ALL systems must eventually go this route. As I pointed out, the spiral is a known Hopi symbol... it's meaning is still known, at least as used by the Hopi. This seems to me to be proof positive that the meanings of some of the other symbols might still be known too. If you think it's impossible, well... I'm ok with that.
SunPower Guru And how long has the Hopi tribe been culturally distinct? A thousand years at best? We don't need them to tell us that characters can last a long time, because the Latin Alphabet has also survived, and twice as long as that. But all cultures gradually change over time and become unrecognizable to their past. Languages with a writing system probably change slower, because the culture can be passed down in physical form, generation to generation. But stone age people with no writing system have basically zero chance to pass down cultural information for 30 thousand years. Ever tried to play the game "telephone" with a chain of thousands of people?
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(a) Bird
(b) Bird doing ballet
(c) Bird on LSD
Very funny! Thanks you have just made my day.
+SquareWaveHeaven lol bird brain on drugs
+SquareWaveHeaven (c) Bird doing ballet *on* LSD perhaps?
+SquareWaveHeaven (d) a starving African bird
lol
Maybe those caves weren't filled with sand when the images were created. Maybe there were high walls back then.
That Would Mean They Had Already Invented 'Scaffolding', Perhaps They Already Knew About the 'MATRIX' & Could Fly ! ? Besides , It Was Just a 'Fill in the Dots Toddlers Art Studio ? The' Original 'Little People' Maybe ? - ALICE , Following the 'MAD HATTER' ? - Dropped His 'Pipe', & It Rolled Deeper & Deeper ? - The 'Primordial Psych' Painting his 'Girl Friend' as the "BEAST" with HORNs ? DE'JA VU ?
Makes you also wonder. If the sand wasn’t there, what would be buried underneath it.
or they were hiding there from much bigger animals ...
Only humans have taken communication to another level?
Wrong.
Orca have mastered communication to an arguably equal level and have even been shown to have regional languages. That is to say Orca from one area of the globe would be unable to understand orca from another like an English speaker would be unable to understand someone from a foreign country
@@bigderekkeene this is fascinating, thanks lots for sharing! sure is as humans we still took language to a whole new planet i would say
I really love your description and really good aptitude for storytelling. You're a wonderful speaker. I'm definitely jealous of your job because that is the best job I could think of at least one of them!
Well all right so I'm just going to say this you know I I did study anthropology undergraduate but that was a lifetime ago. I maintain an interest. You know I'm probably sure that in the framing of what you said about how the climate was in the tundra and the glaciers but you've at least put yourself in the perspective of those early hominids and humans in that environment and realize that often times they used those caves as refuge like we do if there's a blizzard for a hurricane and I'm pretty sure you have an idea that sometimes they use those caves like wolves and dogs and bears use to house their young when they go off to acquire food. So you you mentioned I don't know what would cause someone to get this deep in this low and make this graphic mark on the wall? I don't know I mean I put myself in that situation as you were talking and I thought huh well and that's tight space it was probably a child and could be they were blocked in there for a long time if there was a storm or some kind of thing they were avoiding for a stretch of time kid gets bored picks up a stick and starts making a mark That's I don't know the thought that creeps up into my mind and not very tight space that you were in the only communication that Mark could make with another is someone else who would go in there and if it was a kid or someone else who might be hiding out in that environment you'll probably be a sibling another child I think that the bigger spaces you know maybe the kid is mimicking with the parents are doing on the rest of the wall maybe they're counting days it could be a way to mark how long a blizzard might be for it could just be a mark of boredom but you know when we do doodles there are repetitions I mean I used to be a big doodler and I used to repeat signs a lot but I'm sure there's not only commonality with my work over time but I'm sure some of the things that I have written were so basic that they were repeated by other people and I never communicated with them. Anyway these are the thoughts that came to mind when you were talking. I think that all I'm saying is that work is extremely important but maybe you might be jumping to the wrong conclusions or making it sound more mysterious than it should be. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions I don't know but I mean really all we can do is speculate. I think the first surviving alphabet that affected every other alphabet there's a Phoenicians to see people's probably had something to do with it and you know you know Spain and France and Italy are all along the Mediterranean I don't know you know that could be the antecedent of the sea peoples that's an interesting idea.
Not every riding is inspired a lot of it can be just out of boredom and that significant too this is all significant no matter what the reasoning behind it is. We have to remember we have to remember that when when we talk about human discoveries oftentimes it does involve boredom and accidents. You know a doodle can become a work of art it can start off as just a mark on the wall and then inspiration comes I could have taken thousands of years for that mark to become a work apart but we also can't assume that everybody who picked up a stick or created pain or marked the wall and whatever way they could wasn't adult or doing so with a preconceived notion of communicating or even creating anything that someone else might understand. These markings remind me of markings that you see in like movies about people who are planning to defend themselves or attack somebody in dirt or sand and they're explaining something another group you know a TED Talk from the Stone age 🤩
Okay so I just had this like really funny idea know my name is Deborah and in Hebrew that means honey bee and it made me think when I was thinking about the early humans or hominids congregating in these caves I was thinking of bees and how they will go back to the hive after kind of a truck and then they will go back to the hive in and tell everybody else where they found whatever and then they'll do a dance I'll be dance that gives them the exact location of of a source of pollen. No I mean these markings could be you know some kind of communication that's vital I think would be either vital or bored it's like the only thing that can really come to mind because you know not many people can get into these caves it's not like you have whole communities you probably have families and maybe maybe a couple of generations or aunts & uncles and cousins together but you know we're not talking about even a hundred people congregating these are small groups in these caves. I think language systems only work when you're talking about communities of families who have to defend themselves from other communities of other families I think that's when we get language I think when you get to art for art sake you know that takes quite a bit of imagination and skill and I would say that that would probably have to go inside with the most purposeful task which is to create tools but you have an idea what you want ahead of time see you envision it. I think I do that all the time anybody goes to home Depot with a project in their mind does that I think it's a very human thing to have that kind of concept and see it too fruition or not in my case not. I think doodles can inspire that kind of happening.
I'm so happy that somebody's actually looking at this and studying it and marking it down excuse the pun. This is so truly fascinating work. One thing that can be done to coincide with this work is to watch two and a half to four year olds and how they doodle and Mark and create art for the first time when they start to pick up a pen or pencil or marker or crayon and they start making markings with either paint or tools like markers and pencils. I think it would be interesting to just watch what they do in a sandbox what they do when they get bored. I do think that we are reaching into the deep recesses of human existence and behavior and sometimes it's right in front of us.
Do you have any to say????
She's welcome to it, I'd freak out in a tiny space like that.
I'm also very much interested in the evolution of creativity and the representation-making process. Humans didn't just appear one day as if out of nowhere and were able to draw a Mona Lisa (or whichever painting you find admirable). Genevieve, like you said, there were no shoulders for these people... but if we can be honest: today is very much the same. There are shoulders to a certain extent... when you get to that border of where knowledge can take us there are no shoulders but nature herself. We have become so good at making representations of reality that we tend to forget the representations are not reality itself. They are representations, abstractions, sometimes even simulations of reality. Same for in our minds, we carry a microcosm which in essence is a mental simulation of reality to predict danger. It can also be called a worldview. These people did not really share a collective worldview over the internet or media... or through science... and yet there are only 32 signs! What is up with that? I personally firmly believe that nature has a plan for us humans and that she shows us the way... you just have to learn how to read the signs... I think we are able to connect to nature in a profound, meaningful and transformative way. Thank you Genevieve for this talk.
Wilco Lensink I agree that there is no problem with having just a handful of signs . Each one could be a paragraph or even a page of information. 4 lines together and a dot could have all the content of a book as we know it.
Wilco Lensink
out of africa.
Maybe they did not crawl. Look at the soil on the ground.
Please explain what your intuitive (?) remark.
@@spellingquestionable Maybe there wasn't that much earth in the cave? Maybe it got flooded with mud?
Caves do fill with sediment and debri over time not necessarily that long .
I'm pretty sure that folks crawled in at least some of those areas even way back then. Perhaps the caves seemed no more harsh to them back then than the above ground world....perhaps even less so. For many the underground at that time was considered a holy place to the nature based religions and in a sense they would go that extra mile to get closer to God essentially.
I noticed that too. I thought maybe the cave(s) filled w/water & earth when the ice melted. It was the ice age. Hmm.
What a fascinating job.
A lovely presented speech
Few symbols means some kind of importance
I know that Abraham Maslow (1908 - 1970) only had small cotact with anthropologists.But his "Hierarchy of needs" could be used in this context. Cos what if some of the symbols were used to indicate what status the cave was(owner or free) and the next 2 the first 2 stages(Physiological needs, Safety needs).
Invoking Maslow feels like a stretch. Maybe you can expand on this theory-as of now I'm not agreeing (as if my input holds any weight). and, what is "Cos"?
so these were the first nursing care plans based on Maslow Hierarchy of needs........brainy joke..................... good writing.................. thank you
IF they were using the same symbols for the same things across a continent, that is a continent-wide written language. No language has a separate graphic for every sound, object, and concept. That's not how language works. You hobble together simple symbols to approximate more complex concepts for which you don't have a direct symbol.
That's what poetry is, in fact: the attempt to convey complex meaning with relatively simple symbols(words are symbols). It's an act of creative emergence, in that the meaning is made to emerge from the pattern, the arrangement of the words, but is not contained directly in the words themselves. It's connotative, and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. So it's not what we may usually think of as "Language", as a one to one list of symbols and their corresponding meanings. It's more vague, suggestive, and approximate, in order to get at the infinite meanings too complex or undefined for direct symbolism(you'd have to have an infinite list of symbols.) But it's still language.
IF they were using a primitive written language, that raises some interesting questions: Is it a remnant of an older language(common source)? Or is the infancy, or an infancy, of language, in which case, if it is in common, they are in communication across vast distances. But that latter only make sense if there is something akin to a civilization with common culture and trade routes. Otherwise how does the concept of a certain symbol for a certain meaning get from one distant group to another?
If an older common source language is the explanation, it suggests an even older civilization, with written language. Then you're talking about extending backward the date of earliest written language, and therefore also civilization, by a factor of 5 or 10, from 6000, to 30,000-60,000 years, at a guess.
So the first alternative is more comfortable, but still not very comfortable. How, and why, would those ice age cavemen be in communication and sharing a burgeoning culture in its infancy over vast distances?
brindlebriar there must have been a caveman university where they learned symbols
And since there was no such university..what does that tell you?
brindlebriar People in the ancient past traded over much greater distances than we, until recently, gave them credit for. One reason was to gain access to distant resources. Think of cocoa residues found in pots from Cahokia, near St. Louis MO. Another was to form relationships, so that in times of trouble (drought, invasion, etc) they had other places to visit until the trouble was past. Think of Malinowski telling about the Trobriand islanders trading shell necklaces from island to island, shells that were available locally so the trade seems pointless. They were testing the waters, determining who would be fair or even generous, so they would know who to come to with items for trade when it really mattered.
pangea ?
The drawing of geometrical symbols in its earliest stage is nothing more than that. Just drawings.
They were, however, a necessary first step to be used as the basis (let's call it a "proof of concept") for later development of a system of writing for transferring knowledge.
Tagging goes way back.
I love this. The passion and dedication shown to an overlooked area of our early pre-history. It's so fascinating, the symbols so tantalising and enigmatic, yet familiar too. I just wonder what they were carving onto wood at the same time, that has been lost to time. A bit like stonehenge being a representation in stone of a much older and perishable wooden architecture.
Paint that lasted 40k years is impressive for cavemen.
They're maps, not art imo. Constellations
It's likely that different inscriptions had different purposes, but that's an excellent suggestion of a possibility which might be overlooked.
Yeah that's why they're in caves and hard to get to places.
Oh god she said pronoun, everyone run to your safespaces, put your pink hair on and get your sjw spears out lol... on a serious
Note we as a species need to stop making everthing all about just ourselves and whether or not we are offended by words of a stranger, violating rights of another so you get your way or making the most money
And come together as a whole and figure out what all
These monolithic structures
Are and lost civilizations are all about...i fear its a look
Into our future. They either
Made them using dinosaurs
Are Aliens by the BILLIONS
Just showed up and landed everywhere...They will return and its said that the time is overdue. We need to
Be ready or all are doomed
Current paint wont last couple years.
'Paint' , Back Then Was 'Made in the USA', by 'OCRA PEOPLE' , Not 'Chinese . . .
Spoken language and graphic representation almost certainly develop alongside each other.
"Tree dawn hunt" has a clear meaning and can be represented in three signs. Everything else is embellishment, even in spoken language.
Spoken language’s development can be traced back to the brain growth, as that explosive growth involved language processing centers growth in tandem with cognitive prefrontal cortex growth at a rate faster then the normal evolutionary female reproductive system could keep up, making it too difficult for female to give birth to a self sustaining and mobile child. This development took places thousands of years before any written language came about in a sustained ideographic manner.
Are you sure about them developing alongside ? I heard from another film that language only developed about 5000 years, and it developed from a type of chanting. If this is true, then the written graphics would have been our earliest form of communication, apart from body language and exclamatory grunts, and LONG pre-dated speech. And you say that "Tree dawn hunt" has a clear meaning, but I don't understand it ! Was that a typo ? Did you mean "Pre dawn hunt" ?
Interesting. I'd like to hear more of a breakdown of individual signs, where they were found, what they might mean, etc.
David Smith she wrote a book
A topic very few people are acquainted with that was well stated. Thank You so much young lady. It is an interesting subject that we know little about.
I'm thinking that earth was washed into the cave at some point make the once open passages narrow.
Steven Walden the mud flood
@@Xelmo187X - Good catch guys! IF there was a flood or floods then debris caught up in the caves would have been a GOOD resource!
And the marks look like cave markers or which cave am I in and when I cave it is NOT a language...they are just markers or reminders to me... I need language to tell others about it or what to look for; like, small aquatic eggs, water fowl eggs, dry dock, dry storage, fresh water caches, natural stair up to cache, strong current ahead, here not there, needs a ladder, biting eels which would be a natural in caves and good, quick eating, etc.
@@FoxFleet Wasn't That Recently Made Into a 'Reality Show' ?
Synchronicity (which I think can have roots in the past). Wouldn't it be fascinating to inhabit human consciousness in a specific (reflective) human being back in that time to see the world through that individuals eyes just to know what they really thought and felt as opposed to what everyone conjectures?
The truth is stranger than fiction. I recommend the works of Randall Carlson to get the big picture.
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@JESSE B sean hross
They were travelling, from what I recall the earliest known skeletal remains in Spain/Portugal are thought to be travellers from northern Europe.
I was surprised by how 4300 people could dislike this.
Then I realized that was really close to the spread between
1 standard deviation and 2 standard deviations on a Bell Curve,
the guys you would not want to be liked by, anyway.
lol one hive mind comment followed by another hive mind "refutal"...
modern human is one useless bee collecting fecal matter for their hive, living the life of a puppet, an ignorant fool brainwashed into believing that the waste heap they call "home" or the idiotic lifestyle that they align to means anything beyond their bubble.
It is not a bubble. It is a box. We are put in a box at birth.
We live in a box, and we get buried in a box. It is unfortunate
that so few of us recognize the bubble/box.
@@arailway8809 I have recognised my box and I love my box! It is so comfy!
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Do I detect a bitter hatred of your fellow humans?
@@dustydesert1674 lol yes you detected "hate speech"
run now... and report me to your bubble leader... the rainbow flag is in danger!
She and her husband toiled to capture and analyse them. Laudable effort indeed.
They don't do it for free, big grants I guess
You don’t get huge grants for this type of work.
If you believe, as I do, that these cave painters were survivors of previous civilisations who had advanced technology , before disasters destroyed them, then the cave geometric shapes and other signs, then could make sense. It’s their remembrance and remnants of their written language.
the problem is a true advanced civilization would leave some obvious evidence, unless you mean like advanced for a stone age civillization
@@victorvelie3980 Definitely. An advanced civilization would have left plenty of undeniable proof of their existence. Not a handful of triangles, handprints and stick-figures that if you squint, tilt your head and disregard all the evidence they're made by primitive humans, you might be able to shoehorn your idea in there.
Christ Trinder
At some point, cave artist "wrote" what others in their time might write on the soil and get easily deleted while some others documented over clay-ostraca.
I did my thesis on basic geometric shape in art from ancient times to modern and when I took "magic" mushrooms (Irish) for the first time it all made a lot more sense.
Ding ding ding
I showed the image of “the inscription” to a thai friend without any explanation that its an ancient cave in Spain she told me that says “thank you” ขอบคุณ
Seriously?