I'll wait until 2025 and then decide which system to own. I'm still keeping my Canon and Nikon DSLRs. In mirrorless I could go Canon, Nikon, Fuji or Panasonic (I don't like Sony). For me the R5 and R6 have the best ergonomic overall, by far, but the lack of third party lenses is a big problem for me
I wish I would have never switched to the EOS R. I definitely wouldn’t have if I knew it would 6+ years waiting for third party lenses. I hate adapters and not everything works well with them or even gives you full focal length of your lens. Now I’m stuck with half EF glass which nobody wants and two RF lenses but can’t afford anything else for as a hobbyist.
@@Davis2001r6so what lens you actually need? With the right timing on rebates & discounts, RF L lenses can be affordable. And the non-L are not expensive
Not sure what happened but video wigged out on me at 4:19. Appreciate all your content, I really hope canon allows 3rd party like Nikon and Sony, they risk losing customers who want those midrange priced options!
I am annoyed that there is no 3rd party RF lens. I really love my R6 but sick of the canon RF prices. I have a few RF L glass but I have some EF glass and I just picked up a Sigma 120-300 2.8 Sport and it works amazing on my R6
It may be that RF allows in-body lens corrections, whereas EF protocol does not. Most lens manufacturers are now relying on some post processing to deliver the smaller/faster/more flexible mirrorless designs we’ve come to expect (certainly Canon does). If Sigma was unable to turn on de-warping/vignette control in camera then their lenses would just end up looking bad, and would have limited use until the RAW was post processed. Sony’s open E mount does allow third parties to define processing. So Canon’s ‘kind offer’ of EF compatibility may be worthless in reality.
J Blake, thank you for the update. Your consistent resourcefulness in sharing unheard news is always appreciated. By the way, it appears that the link to your website is broken.
Lets face it, Canon shot themselves in the foot on this one. They waited so long to allow other lens manufacturers that even they (Sigma and Tamron) lost interest now. Also people tend to overlook the fact that when 3rd party manufacturers are trying to release a lens it takes a couple of years for them to do the research. So Tamron and Sigma probably just said "F!@# it, we'll turn our business to Sony and Nikon and everyone else. And you know what? I don't blame em!
Joe, I'm looking at a 18 to 200mm zoom lens.So far, the third party lenses have AF but not IS. At full zoom, IS can make the difference. The Canon lens, same spec's has AF and IS. Any comment on the possibility on the other guy's addition of IS?
I think what sigma and tamron are saying is that any rf glass they would make would not be any better than their ef glass with the adapter so why bother
When I upgraded to the Canon R7, I had some problems with focus pulsing with my Sigma 150-600C and Tamron 100-400 Vi DC birding lenses, which I had to replace with the RF100-500. So I share the annoyance with the closed mount. That said, Canon's budget lenses are amazing at current prices e.g. the F11 primes, the RF 100-400, and the nifty fifty. As long as there is an adequate selection of budget glass, I am not sure it matters if it is branded Sigma or Tamron or Canon. And the L glass, while $$, is worth every penny if you can manage the price. My RF100-500 is lighter than the Sigma/Tamron lenses it replaced, the dual focus motors are accurate and responsive, the OIS works well with the R7 IBIS, and the image quality is spectacular. IMO, the protest may be overblown.
I've always loved Canon cameras but the 3rd party restriction has stopped me from even considering them for a mirrorless upgrade. If and when I move away from my DSLR I will probably go with Sony. I don't like the feel as much but I was so impressed with the image quality and autofocus of the Sony at the Photography show at the NEC
the sigma 135 mm is no longer for sale( new )in the Netherlands. I asked several companies for the reason. Their answer is that they are no longer available, and Sigma may be working on RF lenses.
I tried 3rd party EF to RF adepter. I do not recommend 3rd party it didn’t work for me . From time to time I had error message that lens can’t talk to camera. I had nifty fifty EF lens
It's not quite correct that any EF lens will work on an RF camera by using the Canon (or a 3rd party) EF-RF adapter. I have an EF version Samyang XP 10mm f/3.5 lens (which is manual focus but has the aperture controlled by the camera) which does not work. You can use a 3rd party dumb adapter which does not provide electrical connectivity, but then you cannot control the aperture. (It works fine on EF-M and Sony E-mount cameras using 3rd party adapters.)
Canon will not Fast open the RF Mount. Think about how long it took to get 3rd party EF lenses with good quality. The option with having the EF to RF adapter is right now the best option for 3rd party lenses. I‘m using the Sigma 35mm F/1.4 Art lens and the Tamron 150-600mm G2 lens and additional the 10p-400 Canon EF lens. It works perfekt. Thank you for sharing the video. Best regards from Germany.
One of the main reasons I own Sony cameras now - way more lens options including a lot of third party. Course, there are a few restrictions there for third party lenses also (15fps max, and no teleconverters), but clearly not as many as Canon has (or at least had).
Hi Jo, I have for 5 years the eosR with 35mm RF and i could buy it with an adapter for ef zo i buy later a sigma 24-70 because the prise and a is on the lens and i like it so for landscape i buy a canon adapter with nd in it very good so no problems then i buy the RF 100-400 it is with beauty results only the reach for wild life was an issue and the R also has not eye tracking for animals, so i buy the R7 what a beauty fast perfect camera, thanks Canon!! And thanks for this posting i also hope for RF from Tamron or Sigma, Greetings from the Netherlands
the ban phase killed the best lens rf got, the Samyang 85 af rf , that had weather sealing and af f 1.4 all within 55 thousand Indian rupees. Compared to canon 2.4 lakhs indian rupees ... i miss that lens as i wanted to purchase one but by the time i save some money it was out of the market 🙁
I continue to buy EF lenses because they work on my Canon EF/RF and Fuji XF/GFX mount camera bodies (with adaptors). I am actually thinking about selling my RF 28-70, RF 85mm f2 macro, RF 50mm f/1.8, and RF 16mm f2.8 because all of them can only work on one of my camera bodies, and I don't feel comfortable continuing to buy RF bodies when there is virtually no 3rd-party lens support.
@@invader_vivIt is possible to get some amazing EF glass at pretty good prices, especially in the used market, and they work seamlessly on the mirrorless bodies in my experience.
Canon needs to understand that this current business decision have and will continue to send business to Sony who already allow third party to create lens for their camera.
It’s is useful if sigma/tamron can make lenses with RF physic mount with EF protocol, rather than RF auto focus and reducing the weight of lenses. One day if canon allows using RF auto focusing, so user can upgrade firmware to enable Rf auto focusing, doing so can attract a lot of canon users for buying EOS RF cameras , saving a lot money
I have a Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 DI VC USD (G1), it does not work auto-focus on EOSR body. Do I need to upgrade firmware of the lens? Thank you, please advise...
Sales have been shrinking for decades and the big guys want total control (the same thing happens with Nikon). Luckily for users, not for brands, there are millions of DSLRs and optics on the second-hand market; It will take years before that option is no longer valid.
I wanted a Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD so I purchased a Sony A7 IV, Thank you Canon for the help. PS I'm not ditching my RF Stuff, but my growth may be in Sony.
I feel betrayed by Canon. I leaped into mirrorless with A M6 Mark 2. I purchased glass for that only for the mount to be discontinued. I moved to the R LLC, R6 and R6ll then waited for 3rd party options that never happened. In effort to do client work I had no other option but to purchase obscenely priced RF glass averaging $2500 per lens.. I Sold my EF lenses anticipating other lens options 5 year on the RF mount Canon customer have been played 😮
"no restrictions" LOL. And I'm dating a Victoria's secret model. Canon will put so many restrictions on what 3rd party manufacturers can make, and make the licencing price so high that it's not worth it profit wise for Tamron, Tokina and Sigma et al to make lenses for RF mount.
Having spent the last year or so dealing with the whole EF lens to RF camera adapter I would like to offer my opinion... You like the marketing of how great the RF camera is and all the new features - so you spend a lot of money and buy one. But wait, now you have to spend a few hundred dollars more to use an adapter to use the old EF lenses. By the way, some of those new camera features that enticed you to buy the camera - those only work with "select" RF mount lenses from Canon. Surprise! So you like the look and feel of the new RF lenses, right? They are light weight and have great imaging - since Canon has a monopoly on the RF mount lenses you have to pay whatever they ask for. Don't expect any bargains. Don't expect them to endorse any real competition. The whole "just buy an adapter" argument is throwing away a lot of the benefits that mirrorless cameras provide. It costs more money, disregards decades of lens improvements, and doesn't work with a lot of the fancy new camera features. The "upgrade" to mirrorless is severely hampered by clinging to EF lenses. It saves you money but but sacrifices features. Might be good to download the manual and see if there are any restrictions that you find disappointing.
There is not alot of benefits we throw away when using EF lens. Ef lens is longer with adapter, and no extra control ring, thats all I know. I dont see a problem spending extra on adapter when I own many EF lens. Maybe you could elaborate what features are missing?
@@Ryomichi The one that I remember was that focus stacking was limited to the new and most expensive lenses. I suspect that other focus related functions might have issues to - but I am too lazy to go through the manual. I was at the same place that you are, but now I would like to upgrade some of my EF lenses but I only have expensive options. Meanwhile I see wonderful options that are available in Nikon Z mount and Sony E mount lenses. Honestly, as long as the new functions that you are interested in are supported with EF lenses then you don't have a reason to change course. Looking through the manual might prevent some nasty surprises.
@@henrywede6442 I will agree that without 3rd party lens, we are missing on great alternative and even lens that Canon don't bother to make. With recent Canon Feb 2024 statement, I think some 3rd party manufacturers could start making RF lens with EF driver now, and update when Canon actually fully supports 3rd party. The only RF lens I have is 28mm pancake.
I was about to upgrade from the canon 90D to the R7, but I changed my mind only because of their new policy. I love Canon but brand loyalty is one on the most disgusting and distractive things I know of...now I use my EF glasses (Canon, Sigma and Laowa) on my MFT-mount G9 II along side my 90D. ... I don't think I'll ever go back to Canon again.
I think Canon is seriously playing the long game. I'll never be able to afford those RF primes. Tons of affordable EF lenses are waiting for me. The 70-200 II's are affordable now.
I brought canon r50 and feeling that I have made a huge mistake. I feel struck to buy only a canon lens, this is not a beginners lens. I won't be able to earn good money from a kit lens. I will have to invest a lot more just to know if this field is for me or not. This is bullshit. No one should buy canon mirror less rf mount.
The only RF lenses I have are the 100-500, 600 f11 and the 24-240. None of these lenses are all that impressive. I know the 600 and the 24-240 are budget budget type lenses but still they aren’t that great. The 100-500 is a real disappointment. The 100-400 EF was just as good and not nearly as expensive. I only have the original EOS R and doubt that I will be buying another newer R body. I will stay with my EF glass and my 6DMKII and 7DMKII bodies with the nice EF glass I have. Maybe I should see if I can get a new 5DMKIV.
"There are no restrictions" is meaningless. I have been a Nikon and Canon shooter since the film days. I would be shooting on Sony now, except that the use those horrible type A cards. The vendors have released EF lenses for decades. Those are not RF lenses. In my opinion, the way for a company to prosper is to make the customer prosper. Canon wants monopoly control to squeeze every possible penny out of their customer base. Canon wants only lenses that they have no intention to make, so they do not compete.
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I'll wait until 2025 and then decide which system to own. I'm still keeping my Canon and Nikon DSLRs. In mirrorless I could go Canon, Nikon, Fuji or Panasonic (I don't like Sony). For me the R5 and R6 have the best ergonomic overall, by far, but the lack of third party lenses is a big problem for me
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RF-S has 3rd party now
But still it's not full frame only cropped sensor lens rf-s what you say guys
Canon made a huge mistake, would not buy any Canon product until they reverse this policy
I wish I would have never switched to the EOS R. I definitely wouldn’t have if I knew it would 6+ years waiting for third party lenses.
I hate adapters and not everything works well with them or even gives you full focal length of your lens.
Now I’m stuck with half EF glass which nobody wants and two RF lenses but can’t afford anything else for as a hobbyist.
@@Davis2001r6 so sorry hope for the best they reverse this policy
@@Davis2001r6so what lens you actually need? With the right timing on rebates & discounts, RF L lenses can be affordable. And the non-L are not expensive
True , I feel waste money investing on the camera that got limited and even limit for the lens alternative options too.
@@Davis2001r6 what EF lense function doesn't work for you?
Not sure what happened but video wigged out on me at 4:19. Appreciate all your content, I really hope canon allows 3rd party like Nikon and Sony, they risk losing customers who want those midrange priced options!
I am annoyed that there is no 3rd party RF lens. I really love my R6 but sick of the canon RF prices. I have a few RF L glass but I have some EF glass and I just picked up a Sigma 120-300 2.8 Sport and it works amazing on my R6
It may be that RF allows in-body lens corrections, whereas EF protocol does not.
Most lens manufacturers are now relying on some post processing to deliver the smaller/faster/more flexible mirrorless designs we’ve come to expect (certainly Canon does).
If Sigma was unable to turn on de-warping/vignette control in camera then their lenses would just end up looking bad, and would have limited use until the RAW was post processed. Sony’s open E mount does allow third parties to define processing.
So Canon’s ‘kind offer’ of EF compatibility may be worthless in reality.
I have the Mieke 3rd party adaptor RF to EF adaptor and I cannot tell the difference. It works flawlessly!
Me too!
J Blake, thank you for the update. Your consistent resourcefulness in sharing unheard news is always appreciated. By the way, it appears that the link to your website is broken.
Lets face it, Canon shot themselves in the foot on this one. They waited so long to allow other lens manufacturers that even they (Sigma and Tamron) lost interest now. Also people tend to overlook the fact that when 3rd party manufacturers are trying to release a lens it takes a couple of years for them to do the research. So Tamron and Sigma probably just said "F!@# it, we'll turn our business to Sony and Nikon and everyone else. And you know what? I don't blame em!
Joe, I'm looking at a 18 to 200mm zoom lens.So far, the third party lenses have AF but not IS. At full zoom, IS can make the difference. The Canon lens, same spec's has AF and IS. Any comment on the possibility on the other guy's addition of IS?
I think what sigma and tamron are saying is that any rf glass they would make would not be any better than their ef glass with the adapter so why bother
When I upgraded to the Canon R7, I had some problems with focus pulsing with my Sigma 150-600C and Tamron 100-400 Vi DC birding lenses, which I had to replace with the RF100-500. So I share the annoyance with the closed mount. That said, Canon's budget lenses are amazing at current prices e.g. the F11 primes, the RF 100-400, and the nifty fifty. As long as there is an adequate selection of budget glass, I am not sure it matters if it is branded Sigma or Tamron or Canon. And the L glass, while $$, is worth every penny if you can manage the price. My RF100-500 is lighter than the Sigma/Tamron lenses it replaced, the dual focus motors are accurate and responsive, the OIS works well with the R7 IBIS, and the image quality is spectacular. IMO, the protest may be overblown.
I heard Zeiss stopped making lenses. Why? And did they have EF mount so you could use the Canon adapter?
I've always loved Canon cameras but the 3rd party restriction has stopped me from even considering them for a mirrorless upgrade. If and when I move away from my DSLR I will probably go with Sony. I don't like the feel as much but I was so impressed with the image quality and autofocus of the Sony at the Photography show at the NEC
the sigma 135 mm is no longer for sale( new )in the Netherlands. I asked several companies for the reason. Their answer is that they are no longer available, and Sigma may be working on RF lenses.
I waited and waited until I bought a Sony a7IV and the problem was solved.
I'd love to see Zeiss offer new autofocus lenses compatible with the RF mount.
I tried 3rd party EF to RF adepter. I do not recommend 3rd party it didn’t work for me
. From time to time I had error message that lens can’t talk to camera. I had nifty fifty EF lens
It's not quite correct that any EF lens will work on an RF camera by using the Canon (or a 3rd party) EF-RF adapter. I have an EF version Samyang XP 10mm f/3.5 lens (which is manual focus but has the aperture controlled by the camera) which does not work. You can use a 3rd party dumb adapter which does not provide electrical connectivity, but then you cannot control the aperture. (It works fine on EF-M and Sony E-mount cameras using 3rd party adapters.)
Canon will not Fast open the RF Mount. Think about how long it took to get 3rd party EF lenses with good quality. The option with having the EF to RF adapter is right now the best option for 3rd party lenses. I‘m using the Sigma 35mm F/1.4 Art lens and the Tamron 150-600mm G2 lens and additional the 10p-400 Canon EF lens. It works perfekt. Thank you for sharing the video. Best regards from Germany.
Thank you Joseph. I have gotten various answers to this --- Can EF lens be adapted to E-M (i.e., to Canon M50)?
Yes there is an ef to em adapter. I use ef lenses om my m100 camera no problem.
One of the main reasons I own Sony cameras now - way more lens options including a lot of third party. Course, there are a few restrictions there for third party lenses also (15fps max, and no teleconverters), but clearly not as many as Canon has (or at least had).
Hi Jo, I have for 5 years the eosR with 35mm RF and i could buy it with an adapter for ef zo i buy later a sigma 24-70 because the prise and a is on the lens and i like it so for landscape i buy a canon adapter with nd in it very good so no problems then i buy the RF 100-400 it is with beauty results only the reach for wild life was an issue and the R also has not eye tracking for animals, so i buy the R7 what a beauty fast perfect camera, thanks Canon!! And thanks for this posting i also hope for RF from Tamron or Sigma, Greetings from the Netherlands
the ban phase killed the best lens rf got, the Samyang 85 af rf , that had weather sealing and af f 1.4 all within 55 thousand Indian rupees. Compared to canon 2.4 lakhs indian rupees ... i miss that lens as i wanted to purchase one but by the time i save some money it was out of the market 🙁
I continue to buy EF lenses because they work on my Canon EF/RF and Fuji XF/GFX mount camera bodies (with adaptors). I am actually thinking about selling my RF 28-70, RF 85mm f2 macro, RF 50mm f/1.8, and RF 16mm f2.8 because all of them can only work on one of my camera bodies, and I don't feel comfortable continuing to buy RF bodies when there is virtually no 3rd-party lens support.
I'm still on an EF DSLR and I think many people are going EF because some of the prices went back up on L glass 😢
@@invader_vivWhat's your favorite EF mount Lens?
@@invader_vivIt is possible to get some amazing EF glass at pretty good prices, especially in the used market, and they work seamlessly on the mirrorless bodies in my experience.
I love my r6 but i don't like the adapter i just want a sigma rf lens
Latest update, Sigma announce 18-50, 10-18, trios will have RF-S. And Tamron 11-20 will be available in RF-S.
Canon needs to understand that this current business decision have and will continue to send business to Sony who already allow third party to create lens for their camera.
It’s is useful if sigma/tamron can make lenses with RF physic mount with EF protocol, rather than RF auto focus and reducing the weight of lenses. One day if canon allows using RF auto focusing, so user can upgrade firmware to enable Rf auto focusing, doing so can attract a lot of canon users for buying EOS RF cameras , saving a lot money
I have a Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 DI VC USD (G1), it does not work auto-focus on EOSR body. Do I need to upgrade firmware of the lens? Thank you, please advise...
Lens or adapter problem?
Sales have been shrinking for decades and the big guys want total control (the same thing happens with Nikon). Luckily for users, not for brands, there are millions of DSLRs and optics on the second-hand market; It will take years before that option is no longer valid.
Hey... check your Video... ASAP... at 4m 20sec... when you are showing the Canon Lens and the Glass lens and Sensor...
IT IS EXTREMELY LOUD...
I wanted a Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD so I purchased a Sony A7 IV, Thank you Canon for the help.
PS I'm not ditching my RF Stuff, but my growth may be in Sony.
what's the lens you are using for this youtube video?
He said it was a Sigma 35mm Art lens via EF adapter.
I feel betrayed by Canon. I leaped into mirrorless with A M6 Mark 2. I purchased glass for that only for the mount to be discontinued. I moved to the R LLC, R6 and R6ll then waited for 3rd party options that never happened. In effort to do client work I had no other option but to purchase obscenely priced RF glass averaging $2500 per lens.. I Sold my EF lenses anticipating other lens options 5 year on the RF mount Canon customer have been played 😮
Is SIGMA making new Z Mounts lenses for NIKON?
Currently there are 3 DX lenses mainly for Z30 and Z50. I hear Sigma are hopefully working on some full-frame Z lenses so keep your eyes peeled
"no restrictions" LOL. And I'm dating a Victoria's secret model. Canon will put so many restrictions on what 3rd party manufacturers can make, and make the licencing price so high that it's not worth it profit wise for Tamron, Tokina and Sigma et al to make lenses for RF mount.
Having spent the last year or so dealing with the whole EF lens to RF camera adapter I would like to offer my opinion...
You like the marketing of how great the RF camera is and all the new features - so you spend a lot of money and buy one. But wait, now you have to spend a few hundred dollars more to use an adapter to use the old EF lenses. By the way, some of those new camera features that enticed you to buy the camera - those only work with "select" RF mount lenses from Canon. Surprise!
So you like the look and feel of the new RF lenses, right? They are light weight and have great imaging - since Canon has a monopoly on the RF mount lenses you have to pay whatever they ask for. Don't expect any bargains. Don't expect them to endorse any real competition.
The whole "just buy an adapter" argument is throwing away a lot of the benefits that mirrorless cameras provide. It costs more money, disregards decades of lens improvements, and doesn't work with a lot of the fancy new camera features. The "upgrade" to mirrorless is severely hampered by clinging to EF lenses. It saves you money but but sacrifices features. Might be good to download the manual and see if there are any restrictions that you find disappointing.
There is not alot of benefits we throw away when using EF lens. Ef lens is longer with adapter, and no extra control ring, thats all I know. I dont see a problem spending extra on adapter when I own many EF lens. Maybe you could elaborate what features are missing?
@@Ryomichi The one that I remember was that focus stacking was limited to the new and most expensive lenses. I suspect that other focus related functions might have issues to - but I am too lazy to go through the manual.
I was at the same place that you are, but now I would like to upgrade some of my EF lenses but I only have expensive options. Meanwhile I see wonderful options that are available in Nikon Z mount and Sony E mount lenses. Honestly, as long as the new functions that you are interested in are supported with EF lenses then you don't have a reason to change course. Looking through the manual might prevent some nasty surprises.
@@henrywede6442 I will agree that without 3rd party lens, we are missing on great alternative and even lens that Canon don't bother to make. With recent Canon Feb 2024 statement, I think some 3rd party manufacturers could start making RF lens with EF driver now, and update when Canon actually fully supports 3rd party. The only RF lens I have is 28mm pancake.
I was about to upgrade from the canon 90D to the R7, but I changed my mind only because of their new policy. I love Canon but brand loyalty is one on the most disgusting and distractive things I know of...now I use my EF glasses (Canon, Sigma and Laowa) on my MFT-mount G9 II along side my 90D. ... I don't think I'll ever go back to Canon again.
I think Canon is seriously playing the long game. I'll never be able to afford those RF primes. Tons of affordable EF lenses are waiting for me. The 70-200 II's are affordable now.
I brought canon r50 and feeling that I have made a huge mistake. I feel struck to buy only a canon lens, this is not a beginners lens. I won't be able to earn good money from a kit lens. I will have to invest a lot more just to know if this field is for me or not. This is bullshit. No one should buy canon mirror less rf mount.
The only RF lenses I have are the 100-500, 600 f11 and the 24-240. None of these lenses are all that impressive. I know the 600 and the 24-240 are budget budget type lenses but still they aren’t that great. The 100-500 is a real disappointment. The 100-400 EF was just as good and not nearly as expensive. I only have the original EOS R and doubt that I will be buying another newer R body. I will stay with my EF glass and my 6DMKII and 7DMKII bodies with the nice EF glass I have. Maybe I should see if I can get a new 5DMKIV.
"There are no restrictions" is meaningless. I have been a Nikon and Canon shooter since the film days. I would be shooting on Sony now, except that the use those horrible type A cards. The vendors have released EF lenses for decades. Those are not RF lenses. In my opinion, the way for a company to prosper is to make the customer prosper. Canon wants monopoly control to squeeze every possible penny out of their customer base. Canon wants only lenses that they have no intention to make, so they do not compete.
i hit the like thumb and nothing happened ?
Your like got hit by the cripple hammer. 😂
Wouldn’t mind getting that new sigma 500mm on a canon one day , that lens looks like it’s 🔥🔥🔥
Maybe they’ll do the same as Nikon with their “budget trinity”, get Tamron or Sigma to make the lenses and badge them with the OEM brand name
Canon does not want to play ball like that.
R MOUNT
FL MOUNT
EX MOUNT
FD MOUNT
EF MOUNT
RF MOUNT
It won't happen.
Well