Canoe Insanity
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- It's only crazy if you look at it from the eyes of a psychologist. Or any sane person for that matter. But then again, I never claimed to have all my ducks in a row. That being said, IT IS fun to mess around every now and again.
That's how great ideas are born.
THIS however, might lie in the category of interesting, but ultimately not worth the effort. One motor (especially wired with a proper breaker) would surely move the canoe along just fine. And wouldn't freak out the battery as much. And would lift up out of the water easier when it got shallow...
ALRIGHT! I admit it. This idea might just be dumb.
But somehow, it still brings a smile to my face. Hopefully it brought you a few minutes of joy too.
On another note, this day I had filmed myself out there and then played around with those trolling motors, but I caught no fish. And the 'build' didn't take all that much effort. It smelt like it had all the fixings of a skunk and a less-then epic day. Many times like that have wound up the way of rotten footage that never sees the light of social media. But stories like that aren't always losers. We all have had days that didn't go as planned. Some that might have involved a bunch of drama. But that IS life. And spun just right, it makes for memorable times that eventually become the 'good ol' days' that we reflect back upon. Don't let them all go by without realizing you're living those 'good ol' days' right now! If you're reading this, thanks for joining me for this episode of real life and hijinks. It WAS fun. And I hope you're out there having fun during those types of days as best as YOU can too.
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Hey Marty: Dual trolling motors makes perfect sense on your canoe. Keep going with the project! I'd like to try that in future on my 10ft Tarpon 100 kayak.
Canoeing Hacks !! Dang , simple and quick, and it does works! 👍👍
Looking forward to all the “Odd” motor combinations and crazy ideas. Definitely continue with this one
It really is nice to see you back on the mangroves and waterways around Hillsboro county. It’s weird for me it almost feels like I’ve gone home and everything’s normal again. Thanks Marty !! And as I write this there you are back on the dock behind Todd’s shop. Thanks for the smile I needed that.
Hillsborough *
Thanks Chris. It does feel like home here.
The "J-stroke", such a simple thing, easy to teach, yet makes a difference to so many people. Thank You. I didn't know.
Really enjoy these random build videos . Just wish they were longer videos
Sure !
I've done lots of Canoe traveling in the 14ft. Grumman Alum. Canoes
Motor assist should triple the useful range of a small boat for local water exploration ,
I hope you continue developing this concept
You make mechanical adaptations seem accessible , thank you
I'm happy to see you back in Florida, doing the things you do best . I'm ready for some more old Zoffenger !
Hi, Marty. . . I have a 14' canoe I put a trolling motor on one side and an outrigger on the other for stability. It works great. Moves the canoe along at a pretty good clip. The more thrust, the faster it will go, of course. Enjoy the adventure!
Thrust doesn't really equal speed, just torque.
keep going - And yes doing it alot! both for fishing and rafting! alot of fun🙂
A canoe was for sale in my neighborhood as kid at a garage sale. I begged my dad for days to buy it. I'm 46 and he still has it. Whatever it takes to get on the water.👍
Good to see you back there, yes , please continue with this build !!
I really like seeing you do the boat mods. Nobody does that. It’s really cool. I’ve actually done some stuff to my boat based on some of your ideas. It’s a great channel.
A friend built a large workboat, twin hulls large flat work space, fitted two outboards and lots of expensive hydraulic steering.
Almost never uses the steering just differential thrust.
I also made an adapter to a open kayak Nice to have a motor ,but all the extra weight took away from the agility of portaging to different places but for your spot it looks like a winner Look forward to your progress
Tight lines!!
A bucket with 3ish gal of water in the front will balance the canoe for soloing also. For some real fun set up your canoe with a sail rig. Fair winds and following seas.
Great video. Further mods would be good to see. I have an old town discovery 169 I bought in 2005 that I’ve used for fishing. I like it better than my IT Vapor fishing kayak when I’m fly fishing because of the height difference. I’ve considered putting outriggers on it for added stability when standing.
Good video as always! FYI, a j-stroke has the power stroke close to the canoe, and curves away from it as you rotate the paddle slightly. Looks like you were trying to curve it inward. The slight rotation with your top hand makes it pretty comfortable too. I've seen many trolling motors used on canoes, but just one of them. This should be fun. :)
I'll try that j-stroke like you said. Thank you
I do that too but his method seems to work pretty well
Dual trolling motors with a center jet engine is the way to go!
I use my canoe and a trolling motor all the time to run lines for flat heads up the small rivers with lots of downed trees. People don’t go in those places and I find that’s where the fish are. Love it, thanks
not only on my canoe , but on my yak as well,,, also turned the canoe into a sailboat with outriggers done with pvc covered with pool fun noodles, i put paddles on each side as dagger boards,, built an Adirondack chair to sit and be comfortable in ,,, a rudder on the back with pvc coming down the side hooked to a lever to steer,,, it's a great way to spend a day,, love your videos brother,, keep it up,,
Thanks for teaching me that paddling technique I've used a kayak paddle.
Continue with the plan to install the trolling motors. I always enjoyed your creativity when it came to watercraft propulsion.
Glad to see you are back
Great video! Back at the old shop. Looks like a nice Canoe, and nothing better than a bit of 'Marty Modification'! Be great to see where you take this, looking forward to it. Meanwhile, best wishes for 2023, and stay safe & well. 👍👍
I say go for it. I like all the projects you do. I may do that myself
I set my canoe up with a single Thirty pound thrust and I often use two canoes together side by side. I've even had a third boat ,a kayak for extra people and gear. I love going down river on camping canoe trips. But that's what inspired me to be able to bring a group and when we're tied up side by side the boats are more stable. Also both the captain and other rear seat passenger can take turns operating the motor , from either seat. My nephew was catching fish from his kayak all going down river fully loaded with all seven seats occupied on a camping trip for instance. Total weight in two canoes exceeded 1500 lbs with sleeping and tent gear a grill and gas stove and lots of food, two marine batteries and fishing gear. I have thought to use two motors myself and love that idea . Also when out fishing by my self I set the ballast so the front is a little higher and can troll hands free by just leaning the direction I want the front of the canoe to go, allowing me to cast and reel. Going up river on a low rpm I can sit stationary or move up river slowly. I appreciate the pioneers of canoeing with a paddle and exploring waters even sailing in a canoe. I say do them all. 👏
Do both! Just make the trolling motor rig easy enough to put on and take off. I did that with a Wilderness 14.5 tandem kayak. I have a 40 pound trolling motor mounted to a 2x3 "A" frame of sorts, that puts the motor in the very back in the exact center of the boat. I took the head off and steer it with an eye bolt connected to a piece of PVC pipe. (Still working on a better pivoting setup here)Pull the stick, turn right...push the stick, turn left. One motor, and its easy to steer. I put the throttle in a watertight electrical box, and leave it on the floor in front of my seat. I used a piece of metal to spin the metal shaft of the speed control. The whole thing connects with 2 bolt holes that go through the top of the kayak. Its a blast to drive.
The only issue is weight capacity. With the motor, and group 27 battery, I can really only go out with it alone. Its not very stable with my 12 year old son in it also. And I worry if we swamp it, the battery will be way too much for the float bags to keep at the surface. Id be hiring a diver or something...lol
had a 13 ft old town w an electric motor.... used it on mtn lakes in AZ. loved it. installed swivel seats on bench seats before heading on water and removed them for transport.
I started canoeing in "75". A friend gave me an old kayak paddle he'd found. Man was that a game changer. Least for flat water. I still have a 17' alum canoe. Tho it hasn't seen water since I got a yak about 8 years ago. I been thinkin I'd like to get one of them lighter ones like they got now. Yer right, you can haul more. and you can stand up to pee. ... Ya, I'd like to get one I can get up on the truck rack without throwing my back out. Happy New Years, Marty!!!
I put a 50 lb. thrust trolling motor on my Jackson BigRig. Foot pedals for steering and pull ropes to tilt and raise. Worked great.
now thats a liquid limousine! I love my canoe with one 55lb motor but dang, 2? Youre a wildman Marty!
Happy New Year!!!
I say “Hold my beer”
Sounds like a fun build
I used a canoe often when I was young. I very fondly remember an 86 year old outdoor writer, standing up in the back of my canoe, "polling" me through rapids on the Shenandoah river for a small-mouth bass fishing trip.
My opinion only . Keep the canoe a true canoe . And use your motor boat for what it's best at . And yes I have canoed with a electric trolling motor . But it steals away from the spirit of peace and oneness with the water and nature . Your call , it's your path . Enjoy. Thx for the video .
Definitely got the best of both worlds there now you've walked away from that boat and living in that gorgeous caravan back at Zoffingers. You could do the loop with the trailer truck rig by putting in at various locations around it. Alot cheaper in fuel and you tube would pay for it. Have a good en either way.
Iv gone from kayak to canoe to kayak and now I’m going back to canoe but a single seater this time. One water snake motor on the back with a landing net pole as steering and a speed controller for motion.
But I am considering just mounting it on the side like yours.
Iv had the motor on the back for years but it seems more convenient on the side and less hassle.
Go for a steering wheel it would be good content and more videos I get to watch haha 👍👍
The new "Tim "the tool man" version, "More Power!"
Grew up on coastal waters, spent hundreds of hours on various powered boats, inboard, outboard, stern drive, kayaks (both fresh and saltwater) and even had a canoe Dad cut the stern off of and fiberglassed a flat plywood transom onto to mount a 12v motor to it.... never thought of doing a twin fixed prop drive system like this.... if you can rig up a fly by wire throttle you'll be laughing.
I've been canoing around on and off for over 50 years. I like the twin engines idea alot, same as my big boat. Those motors need be no deeper than the canoe's keel. Its not like you've got a planing transom to match depth to. Raise the motors up. I was in a huge local lake with a boating chanel well marked. I had heard it was shallow at the outflow end and was in my motorized canoe digging the scenery and the canoe tilted the motor swung up and i was in 4" of water. Hahahahah. Raised the motor up and unbent the fin on its bottom , and reset the depth so the propeller was just barely below. As soon as it was spinning it needed lowering a bit more.
nice to be back idol....merry christmas and a happy new year to you....👍🎆🎇
Love the videos here! Glad to see ya back doing your thing!
Nice Capt Ron docking maneuver.
I love canoeing, kayaking, all sort of boating and paddling.
Canoeing it’s a whole different art, very nice for certain bodies of water and camping.
But it is a lot harder from a professional paddlers standpoint.
I’ve always wanted to try my hand at a sail in a canoe as well as a motor. A motor is also very nice if traveling upriver.
I had a canoe but I had to get rid of it because. I had surgery on my arm the only thing I could use is a kayak, and I don't have one because they're too expensive. Please continue with the videos I enjoy them.
I learned the J stroke in the 60s in the sea scouts on the Ohio river in Parkersburg WV. Now retired in Riverview Florida.
Cool idea. The only controls you would need are throttle, forward/reverse, and steering. And steering would just switch one motor or the other from forward to reverse. I would use at least two batteries in parallel so you could have the same range as using one trolling motor. You'd have to balance the batteries first.
I had a quick old Sawyer tandem canoe that I mounted a small electric trolling motor on when I moved back to MI from CO. I'd paddled whitewater with it for many years out west, but the flatwater around MI seemed tedious, especially paddling into the wind. The trolling motor worked just about perfect, although it was a bit awkward to steer where I had to mount it. I recommend electric trolling motors to anyone to propel their canoe at a pretty good clip. It sure beats paddling into the wind.
About 20 yrs. ago I had a flat back canoe with old 17 lb. thrust minn-kota-was not quite fast enough so I got another minn-kota & was room for both on the stern. Nowdays they Make really powerful elect. motor like 55 lb. thrust & even more **
P S they now make kayak electric motors that come with a shorter shaft length **
You have the Best ideas!
I clamped two equally spaced at 33% fore aft starboard and one dead center port. Originally thought it would be better to cut the long shafts but ended up extending them 50%. Starboard and 10% port side. The starboard motors are tilted 10 -20% at full extension. The portside tilt runs at 45° plane. Taxi is slow but from a float at full power I'm off the water in seconds and flying. Generally she settles down and balances on the props just as the portside burbles, this when I have yaw controll and lateral movement is weight shift.
I've fished from a canoe for years. It's just annoying in windy conditions. A lot heavier and a bigger pain when solo than a yak, but for carrying capacity, and shallow draft, not to mention dead simple it's fantastic. That said, I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered how to add a little 2 horse motor or trolling motor to it.
Man it's been awhile since I last saw your videos. Been even longer since you left your house. I thought you were crazy. Nice seeing you again still going strong.
Ingenious mind there Mr Z. What’s the advantages and disadvantages to a kayak vs a canoe? Appears to be more space inside the canoe but is it less stable? My inflatable kayak has an optional mount similar to your setup for an electric motor. I never use it as it makes it so heavy and pita to put in and out of the water..
This plastic canoe is very light and has a flat bottom which makes it surprisingly stable and capable of bearing a lot of weight. Some canoes are likely skinnier and faster but less stable. Like kayaks, they vary but generally are bigger and better for two people. Or three.
You must of been fishing some shallow water. Having to do the "J" Stroke in a sweeping manner usually indicates very shallow water. Trolling motors are nice to get from here to there but then it's a paddle for me when fishing. I have been in canoes all my life plus some kayaks and even Pirogues. I made one Pirogue and included a sailing set for it. Worked good when the wind blew. In my 79 years I like boats that require a paddle to get down or up stream. Motorized one's were for work even a high powered air boat. The best boat for you is the one you like.
I grew up in a family that owned a canoe/kayak rental business. I find the m different yet both enjoyable. I think that project could be fun.
Good to see you in a real fishing boat. Although two motors are overkill I've been using canoes for years. They don't paddle as well as a kayak but are superior in every other way. One motor is enough though.
Marty, I am begging you!!! PLEASE do this mod!! #MartyMods are among my most favorite things to watch on RUclips. It’s also a really cool idea, so you should absolutely do it.
Definitely want to see further mods!
Have you ever thought about mounting the trollers in a midship position ?
It seems like the weight distribution would be better.
Do it!!!
If you want to keep your shallow draft maybe try adapting a straight shaft weed eater machine into a surface drive.
i like the set up with the canoe
I've been a powered canoe fan for many years and I'm still a bit fanatical about it. A good canoe needs very little thrust to exceed normal paddling power. I use a 55lb Newport and run it for hours at the 1/2 setting - thinking (right or wrong) that the bigger motor is more efficient at the half setting than a 30lb thrust motor would be at full power -- the motor doesn't weight much more. It is no big deal that I have only one motor on the left side - the canoe doesn't care. My battery is a 108ah deep cycle from Walmart and I'm quite sure that I can cover 6 or seven miles maybe a lot more. My canoe is an old Grumman 17 symmetrical and I have one of the original Grumman bolt-on transom mounts. I also have a new Suzuki 2.5 4-stroke and an old Johnson 3hp 2cyl 2-stroke. The Suzuki might as well last all day on a 1.5 litre gas tank and the Johnson can actually be too much if I don't have the weight of a second person. Its quite obvious that 2021 Suzuki and 1991 Johnson measured their HP differently. I'm a geezer and not spry enough anymore to be tossing the canoe on top of the truck so I got myself a trailer. Its handy to have all of the gear and battery or gas tank in the boat and then drop the motor on to the canoe when I get it into the water. I've also got the canoe wired up with nav, floods, fish finder and interior lighting running off of a 16ah lithium battery from Amazon. Geezerdom has also made me a bit wobbly with my sense of balance so I use a set of the stabilizers from Spring Creek Manufacturing. They work and they probably work better than the inflatable type. I'm searching for something better and have a hard time understanding why there isn't a larger demand for these and there are no better products available. New this year will be a pair of down riggers for lake trout.
Love to see what you have up your sleeve. I recently sold my skiff and have been looking at canoes as a way to get on the water with my son and not have the cost of a boat.
Here’s and idea…. Canoe the great loop! 🤣
Haha. If only the dogs could be trusted not to tip the boat over!
@@zoffinger 😄
I was blessed to have learned the j stroke in boy scouts. Thank you for sharing your skills knowledge and experience. I appreciate you sir
I have one of the older green Pelican canoes. I wonder if those cool new seats would work on mine. I wouldn't bother with all the hassle of registering it. Keep it simple or try a sailing rig.
I had a 7ft square back canoe, almost like a john boat but not that wide, as a kid. Hook a troll motor on it and I could go lots of places and caught a ton of fish. These days I fish from a Hobie pedal drive kayak. I am not so much a fan of canoes today. My son is grown and it is just me loading up and going fishing so smaller and less weight and less complicated is best for me as I get older. I take a few lures in baggies in my flotation vest pockets, a couple of rods, a paddle, water to drink, and a snack. Catch and release except for pan fish once in a while for a fish fry.
I love adding the motors but don't forget the sail.
If you build it, I will watch! Like you said, though...juice might not be worth the squeeze. Love canoes...just not as much as I love my kayaks! Stay Safe!
I grew up with a canoe on the Barnegat bay in NJ, pre electric motors or at least affordable elec motors but we did have a sail rig.. this is a cool project and as long as the motors can be lifted you can still get into pretty skinny water
C'mon dude. You know you have to push the possibilities of that canoe! I mean, you did put a jet engine on a boat.
You need to modify lol.
Whatever you do, I'll be watching xx
I added a trolling motor to my Mad River Canoe and she's a heavy boat so this idea will help on those windy days.
Every lifeguard on the East Coast is all about a j stroke!
I’ve been watching you for a while! I love what you do and love your content . I’ve been looking at getting a canoe myself and I am excited to see how you can modify a canoe like this. Maybe a skiff? With Eva foam ? Just a thought. Awesome videos dude
PS. i like that you are back to that dock 😀
I love the idea and actually plan on doing something similar with mine.
Seems like you might need to move the seat position forward in the final version. I’d like to see what you come up with!
I like to run one trolling motor on one side and a pvc outrigger on the other. I can mount it easily and take it off easy too. 16' Pelican canoe.
Thats why I always bring a box of dead shrimp when I go out. If it don't want a lure chuck it a stinky shrimp.
12 volt trollers can survive on 18 volts but it is hard to find a 6volt lithium except hand drills. So two batteries,with deep cycle capability and some other stuff makes for a sure runner.
Hi Marty, cool canoe mod, I put a steering wheel and shifter on my canoe, works good!
I used to go canoeing alot and I would have loved them motor's on it!! but I would keep it adaptable like you did there.
That way you get the best of both worlds.
Basic when you want but can adapt to powered when you want.
I love your videos & i'll look forward to your next 1. Take care & tight lines Marty.
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My canoe is called the sport boat it has a square stern you can paddle it or you can row it or put up to a trolling or 5 horsepower motor on it. Old towne.
I hope your back to the kayak business and modding kayaks and canoes. I look forward to seeing you mod the canoe with twin 55's. Lol
I am glad you filmed where you J-stroked yourself off or we would have some very bad visuals. LOL!!!!!
I'd keep it just the way it is. Being able to quickly dismount the motors for both repair and changing conditions is much better imo than having it permanently mounted.
My frontal lobe agrees with you but my lizard brain is like, 'Do it! Do it!'
I am on my second canoe & second kayak the Mohawk canoe has a little flat back so I am able too put my kayak trolling motor on it.but both canoes set pretty low in the water.I think I’d be better off if I lost some weight 😂
Nice! I'm thinking about doing the same thing on both bow and stern w/ a kayak, but I'd like to fix the motors and drive all four with an Arduino.
In my state you have to register it once you put a motor on it thats why I built a pedal powered system for mine. It's fast with forward and reverse it's quiet and leaves your hands free to fish. No taxes to my horrible state government is the best part!
I say let your mind go wild and see where it takes you on the canoe then show all of us what you came up with 👍
I enjoy every aspect of getting out on the water..from quite to not so quite I myself have 2 each Pelican kayaks as well as Bass Raider 10E which all have their place for larger water I have a Tracker 16 Panfish with a 40hp Mercury and I enjoy them all even though I catch a great many fish often it's just nice to get out on the water and relax..toss my cell in the dry bag and disconnect 😁🎣🇺🇸
marty, you always amaze me with you innovative ideas. i prefer a canoe after have several kayaks. Easier to paddle and great for skinny water. Tried the motors but gave up on the fast lane. I prefer to take my time and enjoy the journey. Peace and Happy New Year.
I agree that faster is not always better.
I use a canoe with a trolling motor in New Port Richey and it works great.
Most Definitely modify it further...love these kind of ideas. :)
Great motor pushed my 14 foot boat with no problem iam a big guy would recommend this to my friends
I own gheenoe and run it with a 35lbs trolling motor also made a little platform for it so I can fish on the stern of the boat
I would like to see you work your magic on it 👍
ref your trolling motors on the canoe. check the depth in the water of the motor heads. i have a 12ft jon boat with a motor guide 57 on it. with the motor head at just clear of the hull, while in the water. the tiller handle control is like 3 ft above the gunwale. so i took some measurements. an dismantled the motor. so i could cut the main shaft shorter. now the control head is just above gunwale height. my arm is comfy. an the motor head is at the water depth i want.
Looks like a nice spot! Ha ha ha 2x4 was my first temporary kayak engine mount and it lasted 7 years it probably would have lasted years longer but to save weight now it’s pvc pipe and aluminium, it’s not as strong but folds up and it’s very light and can mount either 18lb cheap electric or 30lb minnkota or my homemade 2-3hp 2stroke outboard that is based on a 29cc rc boat engine and 79mm surface drive prop and makes around 40lb thrust it pushes my little Malibu mini x to around 8kts.
I always wanted to mount an outboard between two paddle boards!
Nice. Calm voice narration.