The MOST CONTROVERSIAL topics in the LDS church!!
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2024
- Today on Saints Unscripted we read some of the most controversial topics in the LDS Church and respond with our opinions on the topics. We discuss things like piercings, energy drinks, garment wearing, the church’s financial situation, and more!!
0:40- The Hymn “In Our Lovely Deseret”
1:50- Garment wearing during a workout
3:02- Energy Drinks
4:21- The Church’s Financial Situation
6:10- Cremation
7:38- Multiple Piercings
10:24- Cosmetic Surgery
11:17- Having a man speak last in Sacrament Meeting
13:35- Amazon shopping on Sunday
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What I always said about the WoW; if you feel you can't live one day without anything, then maybe you need to cut way back or eliminate it out of your diet.
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Does that include oxygen? It seems like an oversight or an oversimplification…
@@ETalamante last time I checked, Oxygen isn't part of your diet lol
Just eat foods good for your body. Isn’t that the word of wisdom?
@@jimbomanzano4785 Are you saying that you never have any fun foods like ice cream, donuts, cake, pie, chips, cookies, and soda drinks? "Just eating foods that are good for you body" is easier said than done. Key word is moderation.
One of the counselors in our Stake presidency said we should worry more about what we do on Sunday than what we shouldn't do in reference to keeping the Sabbath day Holy.
I love this! And am terrible at it.
I like the statement in the Doctrine and Covenants that says we shouldn't have to be commanded in all things
Cremation topic. Some families don’t have the means for a burial and less expensive to cremate.
I love energy drinks, don't wear garments when working out and know that as long as I keep my temple covenants I'm good.
Energy drinks are so damaging to your body, you dont need to be religious or anything to understand this simple truth
No matter burial or cremation, your body will be resurrected
I am a man - and once I got to speak first...man, it was great to not have to worry about time! I will talk first for equality!
I have always and only ever “got” to speak first and never once did I NOT worry about time. I always write my talks with the time constraint in mind. Don’t you? Why should I not make sure the second speaker (male, always) gets the time he needs to present his prepared talk? I don’t get your comment.
@@sultryglebe What often happens is that the last speaker is either given very little time (because not every 1st or 2nd speaker is as considerate as you) and has to drastically shorten their talk, or - and this is more common - the first speakers do not fill their allotted time and the the last speaker has to suddenly expand their talk to cover the rest. While having to shorten can be frustrating, having to speak longer is often very stressful. So what the original commenter is referencing is this idea. Because he didn't go last, he had no stress about how long his talk was going to be. I imagine you have seen actually seen this happen many times.
@@M_RyttingWe all would follow Christ. He taught the golden rule. He also said If ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
@@sultryglebe The last speaker often has to adjust their talk to fill or fit in the rest of the time in the meeting. I like being first because I can prepare for the requested length, not have to figure out adding or taking things away depending on what time I have left
This "issue" is not about convenience, but about what the order, when it is always the same, implies about importance and hierarchy. This tradition in and of itself may not be worth losing sleep over, it's rather how this detail in combination with a host of other traditions make it uncomfortably easy to see women as "lesser than".
As an exmo, it's refreshing to hear current active members expressing ambivalence about the various controversial topics in the church. Sometimes, it's easy to get polarized on these things and forget who is directly affected by them
It's funny how we used to think this stuff matters. So ridiculous.
Women being the penultimate (second to last) speaker enables her to speak as much or as little as she chooses, as long as the meeting doesn't run late, and requires the final speaker to work within time constraints. It shows respect and deference to women whose voices might otherwise go unheard. ❤
I hadn't thought of it like that before! Thanks for this perspective.
hahahaha you're really reaching with that one. that's not WHY they do it but a great unintended benefit for sure
I’ve never heard of anything like this. On Mother’s Day in our ward both adult speakers were women. No men. They did great.
I look at Sunday as a day to step away from living in the world. It's a good thing to work, but on Sunday I try to focus a little more on my relationship with God and others in addition to serving my ward and family. It's a good thing to buy the things we need, but on Sunday I try to avoid commerce as a whole. To me it's not about making other people work, it's about setting myself apart from the rest of my week of living in the world, and that makes more sense personally.
Re cremation.
It was pure insanity to ever believe that preserving the human body would somehow make it easier for God to reassemble us at time of resurrection! What were we thinking??
Working out in garments turns them yellow faster. It's a no for me.
Living in garments turns them yellow
The Church is doing what they advise their members to do…saving for hard times. Also the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints helps out victims of disaster all over the world. If they spend it all now, how will they be able to help when needed in future disasters.
Spending it all now would definitely not be a good idea!
I attended the MTC in Provo in 1980. L. Tom Perry of the Quorum of the Twelve spoke to us and told a story where he was assigned to attend a multi-faith conference. He knew that some of the non-LDS attendees believed that endowed LDS had to wear their garments 24 hours a day and not to be without them under any circumstances. So, when he showed up for a volleyball game in PE shorts and T-shirt it was obvious he wasn't wearing his garments. Some had heard that Mormons who remove garments in that way were under obligation to sever an arm or leg. He said it was humorous to see the looks on the faces of those who'd heard those things when he showed up. Hence, I have no problem when I work out or other exercise removing my garments until I've showered after these activities. I admit I have no problem drinking 5 hour energy shots as needed to stay awake when I study. I drink Coke and Pepsi products. Finally, I'm very pleased with the financial position of the church. It's a wonderfully prudent position to be in and time will show that the church's wealth will be a wonderful benefit to the church, the world, and in accomplishing the four fold mission of the church. Mark my words. As a former bishop and faithful Latter-day Saints I've seen some traditions I considered silly, like only men should offer prayers in Sacrament meetings. I love seeing white shirts and ties on priesthood holders doing ordinances like blessing and passing the sacrament or the bishopric on Sundays. However, I don't like seeing a worthy boy or man prohibited from priesthood duties because they didn't have a white shirt on.
Loved everything in your comment except the last part, about you not liking it when a worthy boy or man is prohibited from priesthood duties because they didn’t have a white shirt on. For me it’s easier to talk kindly to the one and say I’d call on him next Sunday and buy him a white shirt if he doesn’t have one, than create a precedent.
@@jimbomanzano4785 I think you're approach is a good one. I also think it's important to be careful not to push it too far and become like the Scribes and Pharisees where a rule sometimes outweighs inner worthiness. Just something to be careful about. But I definitely see your point. I guess my feelings are influenced by an experience I had as a ward mission leader where I had helped an adult convert get to the point where he felt comfortable enough to help the Priests at the sacrament table. He came that Sunday wearing a white turtleneck shirt and vest. I messed up in forgetting to have him wear a white shirt and tie. But I figured his worthiness and willingness to participate was what mattered. When it came time for the administration of the sacrament I noticed he wasn't sitting at the table. I found out that the Young Men's President told him he couldn't participate because he wasn't wearing a white shirt and tie. I spoke with the convert later and profusely apologized for the embarrassment it had caused him and told him it was my fault for forgetting about the white shirt and tie requirement. I just plain forgot to mention it to him. This is an example, in my opinion, where the rule became more important than worthiness. Overall, though, I love seeing the white shirts and ties on those who are performing priesthood duties.
I've always had a huge issue with the white shirt thing. It's not official doctrine anywhere, as far as I know, but rather, based on talks from the brethren in the 60's and 70's. I have white shirts, and wear them to sacrament. However, I also have really nice light grey and light blue shirts that are collared, button up dress shirts that I wear to sacrament. The intent is not to distract from the reverence of the sacrament. As long as we aren't doing that, we are good.
@@jimbomanzano4785Youre missing the point. We shouldn't get so wrapped up in policies and procedures, like the Jews of old. I've literally seen a bishop have an Aaronic priesthood holder re-do the sacrament prayer 7 times. No joke. The boy was practically crying.
@@figdickmun The Parisee and scribe thing is a stretch in that they wore elaborate apparel to attract attention to themselves. You said you love seeing the white shirts and ties on those who are performing priesthood duties. We all do, specially in brethren administering the sacraments or baptizing someone.
I think this quote could clarify what we can do or not : When Joseph Smith was asked how he governed the Saints, he replied, “I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves.”[
The whole men speaking last is totally a cultural thing. For example, when I served in my bishopric, I would give couples the option of the wife speaking last and most the time the women did not want to. Some would even ask me if it was okay for a woman to speak last. And the idea of finishing the meeting with the BEST speaker is also cultural. Many times the youth talks are MUCH better because they are short and sincere.
I think this stems from the prophet speaking last in General Conference or a general authority speaking last in a stake conference. I don't think there is a hard and fast rule, but the above might have given precedent for a cultural norm in the church.
I like to hear the youth speak also. Short and sweet 😊
My wife prefers it when I speak last because A) she wants to get out over with, and B) she doesn't want the pressure of having to adjust the length of her talk on the fly. I'm fine preparing a lot of material and either using it all or just jumping to the best parts.
I’m an exmo and I really likes this episode. Thanks for the honest vulnerability. 👍🏻
Thanks for being here!
We love you Brother. You’re welcome to come back, like in the parable of the prodigal son, or daughter.
I’m an actmo and I didn’t like this episode.
@@yfrontunderpants Why’s that? Cognitive dissonance got your tongue?
@@AllthoseopposedI guess so.
The higher law or spirit of the law with all these things always pertains to your heart, desires, and intentions.
When using Amazon on Sunday, I think the lesser law is don't make others work for you. And I think the higher law is where is your mind and what is your focus while trying to make the Sabbath day a holy and sacred day
I really liked your perspective of not making others work for you being the lesser law and what YOU do on Sunday to honor the sabbath day, being the higher law. Wouldn’t watching hours of LIVE sports on Sunday go against BOTH laws of the sabbath?
I'm a lot older than you guys, it used to be that only men gave prayers in church. Then, women were allowed to give the opening prayer but not the closing. Now it's completely open
I'm glad the church is financially secure. The Methodist church one block from me went bankrupt and is being remodeled into apartments. I'm grateful the financial situation is the opposite
On purchasing on Sunday: I go with the "If your ox is in the mire... but strive to not have it there." If I strive to get everything I need to done during the week, and something comes up on Sunday that can't wait, then I get it done. However, I really do my best to get things done before Sunday.
We always said “it’s ok if the ox is in the mire…as long as you didn’t push him in on Saturday night!”
14:07 if the members of the church would stand up and not choose to do anything on Sunday that requires money, transactions, or spending money, and therefore causing workers to work, we would fully keep the commandment of the sabbath. We are held back because we are not keeping this commandment as fully as we ought to.
I dont think it's that simple. Do all those who work at the MTC in the kitchen just not work on Sunday and the missionaries have to fast from Saturday dinner to Monday breakfast? If you order something online do you make sure it won't be delivered on Sunday? What if shipment is a few weeks and so likely that package is going to be in a plane or a truck at some point on a Sunday. I guess just don't buy anything online? But wait, going to a store I'm sure you are buying something that was shipped to the store on a Sunday. So we better make sure we only buy from stores whose shipping companies don't work on Sunday.
I agree that when it comes to the Sabbath day we need to be better but I don't think being like Pharisees and worrying about every little detail that is out of our control is the way to do it.
@@netherquartz8946 granted there are exceptions. But to purposefully go places that can otherwise do without work on Sundays is best
@@zionmama150 do those exceptions favor exclusively the church?
@@BrendonKing not understanding your question bro. king.
The Church's financial situation is amazingly and unequivocally good. For many years, the Church struggled financially. In the very recent past, a global pandemic caused significant global financial strain, and the Church of Jesus Christ was able to support thousands of relief projects without breaking financially. The Church has always made efforts to help people in need locally--I grew up eating food from the Bishop's storehouse--and has had increasing ability to provide relief worldwide, and to do so in a sustainable way. It's all the more impressive considering how many people are donating. It's easy for someone to say, "the Church could do more", especially when they don't see everything that is being done, but whether it's the wisest or best thing to throw more money at the world is another question altogether. We have long been counseled to save money and to be generous, and we now see the Church performing most admirably in both areas. The only real possible complaint is that the Church made a mistake in reporting to the SEC, and as a consequence a portion of donated funds went to pay a fine, but even knowledgeable lawyers make mistakes. Meanwhile, enormous amounts of good are being done through the restored Church of Jesus Christ. It's good, good, good.
The church shouldn't be teaching anything outside of the doctrine of Christ. We teach the restored Gospel that's it.
Oops. Too late
@@radybay9088It’s not too late for you to be saved.
Letting little things become big things or big things become little things is a constant risk we take as we try to live the gospel. My key is to ask myself if I am yielding my will to God’s will.
I’m glad the church has money now, they didn’t for a long time.
So stoked that someone else loves Redbox as much as I do. Half of my DVDs and Blu-rays are from Redbox. 👍
Do you just rent them and then not return them, so you have to buy them? Do they sell old ones?
@@gaoagong yeah, *some* locations sell used dvds/blurays (it's just the rental discs after people aren't renting those titles anymore, I think). Usually they sell for between like $3-$6 dollars. I've only found one box that didn't sell any, and it seemed to be an older kiosk (it wasn't even red). Go check it out!
Yeeeeeeees. I love having physical copies of stuff, and Redbox is one of the best places to go -- particularly for newer movies.
God gave us commandments and we have to govern ourselves.
More of controversial topics opinion episodes please!
One thing I've noticed at church is R.S. Presidents being called sister instead of President. And also former bishops or stake Presidents still being referred to as bishop or president so and so. I also notice the bishop releasing "the priesthood" to sit with their families. They should be referred as the holders of the priesthood, not "the priesthood". Also, in my ward we have a cinco de mayo celebration every year, and a huge unfolded burrito (many tortillas overlapping) is laid out on several tables. Every single year the same lady says, "can we have the priesthood come to the table to fold the burrito." My husband never went because 1.) Women weren't included. 2.) He's not "the priesthood". and 3.) Why would the priesthood be needed to fold a burrito? He was the only holder of the priesthood that wouldn't participate, but we certainly did enjoy the rest of the party!
That sounds like ward policy rather then anything I've ever seen.
I'm a long time member of the church and an Rm and I have been recently released from jail after 2 months and I have lost everything and I'm in desperate need of spiritual, mental, physical help and resources and my former Stake president has provided counciling I desperately want to mend myself and I realize time is limited. I pray and beg God literally every minute under my breath I know I need help desperately, dose the church have resources for members in this situation?
You local Bishop can help with your spiritual healing for sure. And I think he might also be able to set you up with a therapist if needed. It's worth getting in touch with your bishop and seeing.
Hang in there, and give yourself time to recover. You can do this!
@@Cleeveable I'm trying no one will hire me I need a job desperately, I went from a clean record of 44 years to a bad record in 3 months and even when working the job immediately get let go I do know what to do I've never been so terrified in my life not having a job will get me sent back
Do you know who your ministering brother is? You could start with him, then go to the Elder's Quorum president, then the bishop...start at the beginning, do not give up finding an answer until you find an answer. Kindly be the squeezy wheel that gets the grease. I'm sure the Church can offer something to you.
@@saintinlower48 I'm trying to reach the bishop I'm in transitional housing
@@edmundoalarcon2000why did you go to jail?
15:53 I knew some dudes when I was in a singles ward that had a tradition every single Sunday night to go to Wendy’s right at midnight, and get Wendy’s. I always thought that they were the Laman and Lemuel types that didn’t really get the spirit of the law and just lived by the letter in everything they did.
In my ward, it is always the man who speaks last. I thought it was church policy and I didn’t realize that there are some wards that don’t do that😂
Something we need to change!
It's church "culture". Far too many are wrapped up in what is culture, not doctrine.
I think that the man goes last and the sister first is more of the following of "Ladies first" out of respect, I don't know.
In Finland we have a saying”ladies first even on thin ice” 😂🇫🇮
@@finntexbuild4809 Nice!
I don’t sweat stuff like that. Go out on Sunday if you want to or don’t. If that keeps you out of heaven then no one is going to get there
I don’t wear garments when I work out mainly because I don’t want to ruin them with sweat stains.
Generally speaking I enjoy listening to you all talk and respect your opinions. However.
What on earth is wrong with "In our lovely desert"?
It is a lovely janty song about raising the youth. It raised everyone's spirits my mission, and it also teaches gospel lessons.
Why you hating?
I'm 55 but I really don't like the song. Really meant to sing in utah from 1850-1950. Too focused on law of moses behavior instead of savior. Keep it to sing on Trek.
I think from the thousands of member-submitted hymns, our new hymnbooks are going to blow us away with lyrics and melodies that motivate us to emulate the savior.
@@mp112501what exactly is the problem? I keep hearing old fashion, but what is old fashion? Half the hymns aren't even from our church, or talk about locations that don't pertain to the present day. Why the specific hate?
I love this song!!! It is a Happy song.
The most important speaker speaks last. That is the talk most listened to because a lot of people come to church late. Too much caffeine gives me a headache and depression.
Multiple piercing was removed from strength of youth and in the video where they introduced the new concepts of the update SFY one of the girls in the video had multiple piercings. That was not an accident.
Garments for working out. We have been asked to keep our garments from showing as much as possible. When working out with exercise shorts they are going to show. They are also not very ‘supportive for men’ when running.
Y’all know that the General Handbook is available online for everyone to read, right? Seems like a quick reading could have clarified some of these questions. (But not” In Our Lovely Deseret”. That one is still a mystery!)
I’d rather sing “In Our Lovely Deseret” with an investigator present over “Adam-ondi-Ahman”
Please cite the sections that would have helped! I'd love to see which questions the handbook answers.
oooooh interesting Topics!
In the Lovely Deseret is translated into Spanish not to sound exclusive to Utah. The beat is also used by other Christians to a song called 'jESUS LOVED THE LITTLE CHILDREN
Great video guys.
traditionally, I think it was a part of the handbook that the man would speak last. I don't know why that was. In my current word, I've noticed that it is almost always the woman who speaks last. weird either way barring a reason.
I always thought it was a Priesthood thing.
@@wwrk25 Could be. I think at one point there was some kind of rule, also that the bishop speaks last if he speaks in church. I'm certainly not positive though
The word of wisdom says hot drinks are not for the body. And we all know that Joseph Smith said it was tea and coffee. What do the two have in common? They, at the time, were _hot_ drinks and two, both have caffeine. While I worked for NIH years ago, I saw a number of articles talking about high-temperature drinks being harmful, but not caffeine. I don't drink any hot drinks. Obviously tea at a Chinese restaurant won't hurt you, though drinking it hot may. (I cool mine with ice from my water and drink it warm and with just a tiny amount of sugar.) And I only drink small amounts of Dr. Pepper but that because of the sugar content. But when I go to a Mexican restaurant, all bets are off. Chips, hot sauce and Dr. Pepper are my undoing. But I don't _assume_ caffeine is the reason that “hot drinks” are nixed. I don't even drink hot chocolate with Marshmello when it's hot, and I really like it when it's hot.
Coffee and tea have tannic acid. It's not about the temperature or the caffeine. Herbal tea is okay because it doesn't contain tea. Tannic acid is a chemical cauterizer (burn). It causes cancer.
If it's okay to make an online purchase at 10pm on Sunday because no one will get to it until Monday, is the flip side of that that you shouldn't make an online purchase on Friday or Saturday if the package is in transit on Sunday? 🤔
Agree modern technology throws this for a loop. Family search needs amazon servers and technology engineers to be running on Sundays!
So the point is really our personal focus on Sundays, including preparing ahead for Sundays and getting to bd at a decent hour on Saturday night.
I’m 65- when I was a teenager only men were allowed to pray in sacrament
Can you order things from the church distribution center website or Deseret Book website on Sunday? If those sites are up on Sundays then maybe it is allowed to do some online shopping on Sunday? But I like the thought to keep our minds on Christ and perhaps not use our digital shopping devices at all.
It was a time when there were some who went to extremes with piercings which some had experienced health issues.
"Man speaks last" is a tradition, we try to break it in our ward. It's not in the handbook. We don't even call couples in our ward to speak together. But also, usually the first speaker gets plenty of time and the 2nd speaker gets less time (or no time).. so?
Fun episode! This is a small trivial thing, but I miss having a camera setup with everyone in the frame together. I wonder if there’s a way for you guys to add that back in.
Noted! Thanks for your feedback.
Does Deseret Book turn off their website on Sunday?
7:33 the reason why it is important to be buried in the earth is because it is the same reason we are buried in the water. It is the symbolism. However, the Lord understands the unique circumstances and situations with government so I don’t think the church passes any judgment on a particular person anymore for that. I think if people can be buried they should. But it’s important for people to pray, and receive an answer for themselves.
This was my first time watching and I really enjoyed it. I loved the topic and everyone’s opinions.
The Church’s financial status is not an issue for me.
I pay tithing to give thanks for my blessings and what they do with it is no concern of mine.
I don’t wear garments if I’m going to be sweating terribly but will when hiking, biking or walking.
The thing with Amazon is like... If you order on Saturday, then people will work on Sunday to get it to you.
I just don't know how the spirit of that law (for the Amazon employees ) can be kept without effort from Amazon.
Do they still have a "don't deliver on Sunday" option? I remember seeing that in the past, and appreciated it.
@@davidsnell2605 I've never noticed it...
I am not a fan of energy drinks either. But, when you are hauling 90000 lbs of beets going asleep at the wheel is a much less desirable option.
Definitely take the energy drink.
@@davidsnell2605 My thoughts exactly.
For buying things on Sunday I thought about the self check out.
The only person working is me but then me taking away food on Sunday, Somebody will have to work extra because of my Sunday purchase. Whether that be restocking or something technological. I strive to not purchase anything on Sunday 😅
Not wearing of garments should be upon the members discretion depending on the situation but have to wear it on asap after the activity.
For me, it is more about asking myself if I am looking for excuses to not wear the garment, or am I looking for ways to accommodate wearing?
@@i2rtwYou nailed it.
@@i2rtw If you are on a swimming competition or wrestling or running competition, should you still wear your garments? 😁
@@Celestian329 that will depend on what my swimwear or running garb is. I am the odd one that wears my garments when swimming, but my swimsuit is board shorts and a tee shirt. I also don’t swim competitively (or run, really at all). I have no qualms with those that don’t.
Regarding men speaking last - I believe it used to be a policy. When I get speakers for sacrament meeting, I give the option to the sisters whether they want to be the first or last speaker. So far, 100% of women have wanted to be the first speaker. It's challenging to be the final speaker. I call it the accordion speaker because you have to adapt your talk to what the previous speakers have done. You could be speaking for 5 minutes or 30 minutes. I've dealt with both and it's a challenge. I get why many people don't want that responsibility.
13:27 it’s also celebrity behavior why the man speaks last, because usually the man is the stake president or the visiting authority, or whoever that people actually came to hear speak because they knew he was going to be speaking. It’s a priest authority thing. I don’t think there’s any doctrine that it needs to be that way, I think it’s a default of how people put the most important speaker for last so that people don’t leave halfway through. Which is sad because it’s important that people hear what women have to say too
You forgot one.....mask wearing or not wearing during the covid days after the prophet encouraged us to wear them.
Good one 😊 Also getting a COVID-19 vaccine when the prophet set the example to get vaccinated.
Yeah most people want to forget the brethern pushed the masks and the fake vax.
On the topic or speaking order in sacrament meeting - well, being in my mid-50's now and in the time when the "most important" speaker was last (and that is typically the case everywhere) I don't actually think it's splitting hairs to have an opinion (or feelings) about this topic. My mom was the Relief Society president during the time and in a ward counsel, the bishop began closing the meeting without ever speaking to or hearing from her. She had to make herself noticed. So, unfortunately back in the 1980's and 1990's at least, it was a clear message that women were not at the level of men...who held the priesthood. I've had to work through this inferiority feeling being in church for decades. But then I decided to study what Jesus himself actually said, as well as prophets and apostles and I was reassured. The Book of Mormon states, “black and white, bond and free, male and female; … all are alike unto God” (2 Nephi 26:33). Heavenly Father & Jesus Christ do not make me feel the way my culture has and I'm happy to see that the norms or church culture are changing.
Absolutely right! Totally agree. And there are plenty of comments on this thread that are justifying this speaking order practice as somehow an elevation of womanhood (e.g. she doesn’t have to worry about time constraints, “ladies first,” even “my wife was given the option and preferred to not go last”) unwittingly exposing the inherent sexism in those comments. I’m sure they don’t see it. And how do I explain to them, for example, that women are completely capable of bearing the weight of shortening a talk because the first speaker went too long? Women don’t need to be protected by men from this easy-to-handle constraint. How would men feel if the women were saying, “we will take the last speaker position so that the men can go over their time limit if they need to”? It’s so demeaning and they don’t see it. Not to mention the whole idea that women speaking first is just chivalry is an afterthought anyway, invented on the fly to give a positive twist to the practice - which was never based on giving women more time to speak, but wholly on male superiority. Who are they trying to fool? Even the well-meaning host who brought up the topic of speaking order, didn’t realize that HE asked is wife if she wanted to go last, because we all know that it’s HIS to offer her - not hers to offer him. Props to him, though! I am patient with those making an effort. And things are changing.
Yes, the Redbox Blu-ray gig rocks as to value!
Being from Brazil I had to look up what song was that, we totally love it here I guess, is my father favorite one, I also like, of course the lyrics change a bit but we just see as good kids in general.
This was a great video to make sure non-members who watch it, never join the church. It reminded me of Sadducees and pharisees arguing about the ridiculous rules, laws, and commandments of what they can and can't do each day. Ugh, all is definitely not well in Zion.
I would love a new series on this channel like the old type of saints unscripted when it was 'three mormons', kinda like this, just discussing opinions on interesting topics.
Thanks for the feedback! We’re bringing those back a lot more frequently this year so stay tuned!
I love in our lovely Deseret
“In Our Lovely Deseret” is very popular in Latin America.
I'm pretty sure this video is mostly in jest. I think almost everything you talked about is a personal choice. It's between you and God. People should not be commanded in all things. The church has headed in that direction on just about everything lately. Speaking order may have been dictated years and years ago, maybe 40 to 50+ years ago, but it was more about cultural norms than any doctrine. It's really up to the bishopric who speaks in sacrament meetings and in what order. We do get stuck in ruts. Also, the church's humanitarian aid program is massive. In my local Northern California area, the Bishop's storehouse supplies many food banks that feed thousands of people not of our faith. The church simply practices what it preaches, to save a portion of your income for future needs. The way the church is growing in different areas of the world, they will need even more money to support them.
About cremation, look at section 38.5.8 of the church handbook.
I can understand not wanting to wear garments to the gym to not get them sweaty out of respect for the garment. However, when people use that excuse they often wear clothes that are a lot more sleazy. It's crazy how the beach is more modest than the gym now. If you're not wearing your garments at the gym why do you have to wear less and less clothing? I know of the temptations frequented at the gym; I want every protection I can have.
I've noticed the wife speaks first convention, but I've also seen it broken. I remember one couple when the husband got up to speak first, he started by stating that he was going to talk how they met and that they should ignore him and wait for his wife to give the spiritual talk. And then added something about him being more of a people person than she was.
What about youth (12-18) saying prayers in sacrament meeting?
Actually children who are baptized can pray in sacrament meeting. We have been encouraged to do this in utah. It is awesome to hear the 8 year Olds pray.
Hey, can you do a reaction to Isaac Hess’s interview with pints with Aquinas on his journey leaving the LDS church please?
Church Funding as Non-Profit, should be about 1 Trillion $$$ savings due to size and number of members. MIT is funded by this formula. What would really help is 122 leaders stop paying themselves 251K annually. I have viewed the tax returns.
I feel, there should be at least 2 leadership cities owned by the church for full time leaders. I know of a man who was cremated. Garments were worn.
As someone who has been praised for his speaking talent, I genuinely wonder whether anything I say as a second speaker will be remembered after such a great predecessor. Consequently, I see the first as equal in a 6+6 = 7+5 sort of way...They're both the same, even if they don't look the same...
I never heard of Yerba Mate having natural caffeine, fun fact the church actually banned it and after sometime said was ok, u can imagine was a very hard time for the people in South America 😅
I don't understand the controversy of the first topic, the hymn. Could someone explain?
I think it is just very US pioneer specific. Others find the song a little strange or confusing? I actually don't know. I'll have to wait and see if a convert or member from another country replies.
@@gaoagong maybe that's why I don't get it. I'm from Mexico and only a second generation member. I personally found the hymn very sweet. Today was the first time I heard it.
@@violettasauveterre5100same except im swedish
I use energy drinks and have for years as needed but I also have worked ems 72 and 96 hour shifts where it is either I stay up or people die. I dont drink them as often now that I have a different job, but i work 12 hour over night shifts so i usually have something with caffeine and 1 energy drink vs 4 sodas it is less sugar and not as bad (IMO)
Priesthood brethren offers the invocation and sisters prays the benediction, and it's in the handbook of instructions. 😊😊😊
Do you have a section in the current handbook that points that out?
29.6 Prayers in Church Meetings
…Any baptized Church member may offer an opening or closing prayer.
…Leaders should avoid always asking a husband and wife to pray in the same meeting.
@@sillyolryan maybe celestian is using an outdated version of the handbook.
No. It's not. Just an old tradition that gained traction.
Does the prophet know when god is telling him something specific, or is it just a feeling that god might be telling him something? How do we know when god is telling him something specific or not?
DC 58:26 For behold, it is not meet that I command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.
The prophet consults the Lord in matters of great importance to the Church. We don’t know how exactly he receives answers.
Interesting how you can pick and choose which commands you want to follow based on cultural changes over the years but being openly gay and having a partner is still not allowed.
Buying on Sunday, even online, is YOU buying on Sunday, not about other people selling to you.
Everything in moderation
That’s why I only have 1 beer at a time. 😂
everything in moderation is one of the most mentally weak things to say and live by
The irony of calling ‘In Our Lovely Deseret’ a “cult classic” was lost on the panel.
I have seen a LOT of talks with sisters speaking last. Even my wife spoke after me because the Bishopric didn’t say one way or the other. Haven’t been asked to speak since 😉
I shameless bought an Annotated Book of Mormon on Sunday.😅
lol 😂
Dang, I took the stricter route on all of these. I’m a more conservative member than I thought.
Another take on men speaking last in sacrament meeting is that you put the man last because he's less likely to practice the timing of his talk, and more likely to just bloviate all the time away so the woman doesn't have time to give her talk.
As far as men speaking last,I always understood it as a chivalrous thing. "Ladies first" or whatever 🤔
Man speaks last to give the woman all the time she needs.
Yeah if man spoke first and left the woman with 3 minutes to speak they would be so offended. But his happens to men all the time
On the “men speaking last” topic, I always thought it had to do with the last speaker needing to fill up the time regardless if they prepared a long enough talk or not, and out of chivalry we don’t leave that to youth or women. Make the men come up with stuff in the fly.
How about the topic of not using “LDS Church”, like in the titles of RUclips videos, since it removes the name of Jesus Christ 😉
😅 Lots of opinions from our audience in many of our videos on this one- we should bring it up in the next video we do like this, good thought!
@@SaintsUnscripted I respect everyone’s right to express their opinion, but not sure why the opinions contrary to the Lord’s word through His living Prophet concerning the matter carry more weight than what He has said? Why ignore the Prophet’s promise: “I promise you that if we will do our best to restore the correct name of the Lord’s Church, He whose Church this is will pour down His power and blessings upon the heads of the Latter-day Saints, the likes of which we have never seen. We will have the knowledge and power of God to help us take the blessings of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people and to prepare the world for the Second Coming of the Lord.” -President Nelson, 10/2018
What about tattoos? I've seen that many active members are starting to get them.
Doesn't keep us out of the temple so no worries either way.
Personal choice. Though I'm still not a fan
I have some and will be getting more. I’ve been prayerful on it. It is for everyone to choose on their own, but there are definite lines that can be crossed. Respect your body by not doing anything to it or getting something on it that does degrade or harm you. For me, I am going to have a 3/4 sleeve and a leg sleeve when I’m finished. I don’t think it’s wrong, but I understand peoples points of view.
definitely noticed this
"Ladies first" not that I care but I would rather go first. Working out in garments.....back in the day, people didn't work out. They worked and they worked outside in the hot summer temperatures and probably didn't take their garments off.
Long before any of you were born, states had “blue laws” that regulated what businesses could be open on Sunday. Until a few decades ago, Americans believed that Sunday was a day to go to church and spend time with family, not shop. I read an interesting paper that tied the repeal of blue laws to a general decay in moral values.
Don't order on Friday because they will end up DELIVERING on the Sabbath.
Lifetime church member here (Southern California area, mostly) and never once have I been in a sacrament mtg where the male speaker didn’t go last - even when the female speaker was older and more educated/accomplished (and frankly, in most of these specific cases, the better speaker). The message absolutely is that the man has the most important message to give - the keynote. It makes sense when it’s a visiting General Authority for him to go last, because he IS the keynote, but in no other setting does it need to be this way. Not at all splitting hairs. I am so glad you addressed this.
I made a separate comment of my own about this - also a lifetime member from Indiana in my 50's. And I agree.
Agree! When I was in a bishopric and asked a couple to speak, I would tell them it didn't matter who went first, and then ask what they preferred. Almost always the woman wanted to go first, but there were a few who wanted the wife to go last. And a couple of times they switched on the fly, which was totally fine too.
But I loved meetings with all women speakers!!
Men speaking last I would say is a tradition but it gives the women as much time as they want and then the guy will fill in the rest or short his talk up to make the difference 😂