Discrimination from church leaders?? | with Brothaz in the Foyer
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Maurice and Krispin from Brothaz in the Foyer join us today to discuss how they have reconciled with negative experiences they have had in the church. They talk about being raised by single mothers and the negative experiences they had from leaders and professors. But they choose to stay active in the church. Don't miss this one!!
0:00 - Introduction
0:35 - Introduction of Maurice
1:24 - Introduction of Krispin
4:00 - How have you reconciled with negative experiences you’ve had in the church?
4:54 - Only black members of the church
5:30 - Discrimination from youth leaders
7:35 - President Nelson speaking more openly about the negative
9:35 - You can’t be in line with the church if you have ill feelings towards people outside of their character
11:07 - Growing up in a single-parent household
12:30 - Mixed race difficulties
13:20 - Talk by Elder Bednar about choosing not to be offended
14:25 - Discrimination from university professor
16:00 - Why do you stay?
17:15 - When you know something is right, you know it is right
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I’m also from Dallas,Tx. I first lived in South Oakcliff for 5 yrs. from age 13yrs. to 17yrs. My senior year in high school we moved across town to Lake Highlands and I graduated from Lake Highlands High School. Before I attended South Oakcliff High School. It broke my heart to move my senior year. This was 1969, right in the middle of the Civil Rights movement. My junior year our school was fully integrated, so I attended school with black students for the first time. That was an eye opener. I learned that blacks were no different from whites. I’m white and this was a revelation to me. I was very conflicted . I wanted to be friends and do things with my new black friends but my parents were against it. As the year progressed I learned that my black friends felt the same way. It was a good learning experience for us all. There were a couple of black friends I wanted to date, but even they were against this. One of them told me, “don’t make this harder than it already is.” We weren’t even standing close to each other when he said that. I wanted him to dance with me after a musical play we both were in. I just wanted to do a victory dance that the play was over. But he refused to do even that. We never spoke again. I was good friends with one of the black teachers who lived in my neighborhood. I would go to visit her frequently afterward school. I tried to get my mom to come with me. My mom refused. At the end of the school year my parents announced we were moving. All summer we house hunted. We moved Labor Day weekend. I never saw any of my friends again, black or white. My senior year I experienced much prejudice, not because of my color but because of my religion. It was very hard………I was able to make friends but it was difficult. Kids didn’t want anything to do with me because I was a Mormon and they were all born again Christians. Welcome to the Bible Belt! Those years haunted me for a long, long time. I can’t begin to describe how elated I felt when I heard the news about blacks receiving the priesthood. I remember everything 😅 about that day, where I was,what I was doing. I have been rejoicing ever since. Thank you both for your wonderful testimonies. I’m glad that no matter what you experienced in the church that was negative, you still hung on to your faith. That helps me so much to hold on to my faith no matter what I experience. God bless you and your families. ❤🎉😅
I'm so happy to have read this. Thank you for sharing this 🙏🏼
@brothazinthefoyer ... I love the openness and willingness you all have to share of your experiences and backgrounds. Not all of the members of Christ's Church came through 6-7 generations of faithful Saints. Many of us come from broken families, with many challenges that were placed in our path, and sometimes we do not fit the stereotype of an LDS member and sometimes we do not have the "picture-perfect" family with three children all of whom are active, serve missions, and get married in the Temple. We each experience life differently, but thank you for sharing your experiences and allowing us to see that regardless of our background, we are all members of the House of Israel and eligible for all that the Lord has for his righteous children.
I love your comments. Makes me think of how President Nelson came from a less active home with parents who drank, or of President Oaks who was raised by a single mother, or Elder Bednar whose father wasnt a member. There are many leaders who didnt grow up with picture perfect instagram-like families. Most of us I think are raised in dysfunctional homes and are brothers and sisters spiritually. I wish there was more vulnerability in our gospel doctrine classes and in priesthood and relief society auxillaries.
Im a single male over 30 and I can tell you that church is a very different experience than when I was a teen and ysa. In a culture where marriage and family is fundamental, it's really hard to fit in. But I'll never stop attending the church and temple because its ordinances and core doctrine are true and the one true church. It's essential to my life.
Do you find it painful or depressing in the temple when the part comes about "is it good for man to be alone?"No."? I am a single female, and I have found that part very depressing. My married friends don't understand at all why it does bother me.
@@gwengold8154 Not the temple so much...but I have found that Christian Married people and especially LDS marrieds in the US are the least able to understand because most of them see it through a very myopic worldview where most of them met their spouse in their late teens/ early 20s in their ward or stake or at BYU or SLC-Provo area . You try to explain what the dating market is like and they cant wrap their heads around it....and actually refuse to try and understand and simply resort to "try shopping in a different aisle" or "I dont know what you mean....I was just asking girls out and found mine". They have zero clue how the dating culture massively shifted in the past 8 years and just how much men are hated in today's society . Therefore, theres something broken about you.....thats the implication.
@@gwengold8154 It is a common issue in the Church. My sister is married but could not have children and has always felt out of place at times when discussions hover around "Families are Forever", motherhood, etc. Please know that the Lord will provide an opportunity for all to experience married life and offspring ... perhaps during the millenium these things will be carried out and made clearer to us. But I fully understand what you mean.
I grew up in a very abusive family. So shocking you wouldn't believe it. Having live both sides, I can say, LDS is a Beautiful way of life. To me, its exaltation or I don't want to exist.
@danpiedra3910 thank you so much for your encouraging words ❤️
I am Caucasian, female, grew up in California. I have also lived in Utah, Arizona and was in the Air Force and have lived in Germany 🇩🇪 and Chile 🇨🇱. I was baptized when I was 16. At times I find myself having to explain or defend why there are not more people of color and different races found in the “average “ LDS congregations. (Who decides what’s average anyway?) People it’s just demographics! I am sure that other areas of the country with a higher population of minorities also have wards that reflect those demographics. And look at the beautiful growth of the Church in places like Africa and Asia! More temples are being built in those areas than ever before. It is unfortunate that small mindedness continues to create unnecessary boundaries within the Gospel. I agree and am pleased that our leaders in SLC are expressing the need for a correction in the attitudes of some of the Saints who need reminders. As President Nelson has said, our First identifying characteristic is that we are ALL children of God before anything else. thanks for sharing 😊
Thanks for sharing this interview :) - I'm really glad that we, as a church (as a whole), are progressing beyond the racial prejudice that was so prevalent when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s. There is still a ways to go I'm sure amongst some Latter-day Saint communities, but we're getting there. I think the younger generations are getting past it to a greater degree than the previous generations, in general. Like was stated in this interview, racial prejudice (or any kind of prejudice for that matter) has no place anywhere, but most especially in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
I’ve been in the church for decades. The constant and relentless beat-down that I got from Nelson, Oaks, Bednar, Holland and the *rest,* a beat-down for not being white, straight, Utahn, rich enough, connected to leaders, made me miserable. Sure, right *now* you say you chose to stay. But for what? To face a beat-down at every turn? The moment I realized that I can love and serve the Lord and live His restored gospel on my own without the crap of brethrenism, I left and ain’t never looking back!
With All due respect to the three of you, don't blame God blame the people. I'm also a member of the church and I've heard that wards and churches in Utah can be pretty harsh. I never take it out on God though It's the people no matter where you go in this world it's the people. I hope none of you ever lose your faith or hope and God the Father or son Jesus Christ.
Absolutely loved this.
Even as a member I hate it when I hear people say God's true church because people will always do wrong always. So to hear somebody say God's true church always makes me feel like they think they're better than I am. I hate it when other people say it and I will never say it. I'm just a Christian that believes in Jesus Christ and God the Father and they go to a Christian church.
I feel like that too.. I prefer the idea that we have 'more truth' rather than expressing an 'all or nothing' concept of 'God's true church'. Of course, we have many things that other churches don't have, such as divine authority, ongoing revelation, etc., but other churches have good things to offer also and have certain truths, and are what I like to think of as incomplete as far as truths go. Also, since the restoration is an ongoing process, our church is gradually progressing over time as the members collectively become better prepared to meet the Savior at His coming. For example, I'm really glad that we are progressing out of the previous racial prejudice culture that was so prevalent when I was growing up.
When people say God's true church, it isn't meant to express superiority. It is meant to denote authority. If you had a book, and you wanted to definitively pinpoint authorship, you could say that so and so was the true author. The statement about the church being the "true" church doesn't indicate that it has a monopoly on all truth. It simply asserts that the church that the Lord Jesus Christ founded is THIS one.
I think that a caring and compassionate view of other churches is a good thing. But it can be carried too far to the extreme. The Lord told us that the gate that leads to eternal life is strait and narrow, and "few there be that find it." We do a huge disservice to people by being SO inclusive and tolerant that we begin believing and preaching that the gate that leads to eternal life is WIDE and expansive and has multiple entrances.
I will never shy away from declaring that this is the Lord's true church. Because it IS. You enter in at the strait and narrow gate that leads to eternal life through baptism by authority from our heavenly father. That authority is only found in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints. Which is the Lord's church.
@@gwengold8154 - Thank you for the well spoken clarification - there is definitely a happy medium here and I think you nailed it quite well.
@philandrews2860 Thank you so much, Phil. I appreciate your kind words.
I echo your happiness that times have changed quite a bit regarding race in the church. My beloved father was part native American, and he was no stranger to racist remarks from people in the church. Some well-meaning, and some less well-meaning. Add to that the divissivness of politics, and it was quite a perfect storm for opportunity to take offense. (Which he tried hard never to do) he did walk out of a meeting or two when things got too bad. Later, the saints in question apologized and told him that he should've at least been given equal time. 🙂
I remember him telling us that he had prayed many times for the priesthood ban to be lifted. And he wept when it was. I know that he was not alone in this. So many good saints all over the world felt the same way.
We aren't all one yet, but we're getting there. 😀
Always such a surprise that members would act this way-makes me so sad. I really don’t get it, especially knowing how God feels about all his children.
Well said! If one is looking for a reason to leave the Church there are many on account of errors committed by well- intentioned humans who where doing their best and should certainly be entitled to err as many of us do. The Lord understands this and works through those errors. He that expects that an apostle or prophet is perfect, doesn't understand mortality. They also don't understand today each of them can express their own opinions which can certainly be wrong.
Bunch of random thoughts: I really believe that black members (and probably Filipino) will do so much more for the future of the church than us white folk. The church is exploding in Africa (and the Philippines). Thank you for not giving up on the church. WE NEED YOU. Plus, I wonder how much of the negative experiences come from boomers because I seriously have a hard time tolerating their unwelcomed comments and ignorance about race and pretty much any topic. Also, any opinion on the Jaredites maybe being black? I think it would be awesome if the most righteous people in all our scripture happened to be black.
I feel like people who react how these people describe here is because the people weren’t and aren’t truly converted. People don’t tell people they can’t go out with their daughter for being black if they have true conversion.
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Great comments as they relate to your choice to not take offense. Regardless of the context, I would say that the ability to do that is very Christ-like. I grew up in an area in Ontario-Canada where communities where very multi-cultural and our Wards reflected that diversity with members from the Philippines, Africa, South and Central America, and all over. I would like to think that derogatory comments towards black or brown members were minimal if they even existed, but it is still sad to see such comments and attitudes within the Lord's Church.
Also real quick I would just like to state at the color of your skin doesn't necessarily represent how people treat you I've had members of my church walk away from me because my wife recently passed away And I have been left on the outside. Mostly because I just don't fit their little mold of whatever it is they think that I should be. It's hard to stay remember of a church where people turn from you. I have to remind myself often no that God hasn't turned his back on me The people that I thought were my friends turned their back on me.
I know it sounds like a cliche, but the people in the Church are not perfect and sadly, many struggle with their attitudes and behaviours which may not always align to Christ's teachings towards others.
The Church is Perfect, not a single man on earth's history has been perfect other than Christ.
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