"if the reference track sounds terrible, all you have to do is make your track sound terrible in the exact same way, and you are good!" this is probably the most underrated advice you can give someone
@@jeffreyhanc1711 If every novelist made up a language for every book, nobody would read them. You learn to talk from copying your parents, friends, media, and reflecting on what suits your purposes. Music is the same- learn languages, and make sentences. They need to make sense to you, so you need to develop your own sense of your tastes and opinions. And crucially, musicians need to appropriate techniques, such as the use of instruments, keys, modes, styles, rhythms, arrangements, motifs, or whatever else inspires you.
I lost it all, my confidence, my girlfriend, and no bangin boogies to get down with the boys. It wasn't until I visited Dr. Underbelly that I was diagnosed with loopitis and had it for the last 5 years. Rest assured I'm now on track to get at least one song completed by the end of the month. Thanks Dr. Underbelly!
Bro...i was actually feeling a bit for you and about to say"strange name for s a DR..get well soon" and shit..then my guy says in the vid about catching loopitus!! I fukin DIed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
4:48 I was diagnosed with loopitis but then I started getting in those broad strokes during the session. After hours of hard stroking it finally happened! Thanks to Mr. Overchest I am no longer a loop-virgin!
Leaped for joy when I got a notification for this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This guy is THE best resource for genuine and relevant music production information without being bored out of your mind 🐐
I got high before watching it for ultimate entertainment and it didn't fail.. and all of those tips couldn't be more true and crucial (except maybe the 1st tip about clipping, and i get his point but i think it's best (even in bass music stuff) to retain some dynamic while tryin to match the reference track loudness rather than jus clipping your way to it for the sake of lufs.. that's why the last tip about using reference tracks is the most important one cuz eventually you'll find out whats the problem in your mix at that stage just with comparing and analyzing.. (sorry about my long ass rant 🙏🏻 i fw that man and want no beef with him)
Your last tip is so underrated! You might be the first person that I've encountered to talk about this. It's true, you gotta give up trying to make your song sound perfect on every playback device. It's an endless trap of analysis paralysis.
yep. it's only by time I've learned that many of my favorite producers and engineers work on Beats or other shit but they know the sound so well so it doesn't matter
@@snubdawg1386 Yah, nothing wrong with focusing on making your music sound good on those! Most people are going to be listening to music on headphones anyways, so I tend to make sure my mix sounds decent on ear buds and over the ear headphones. I used to primarily mix on headphones, but now I normally mix on speakers because I feel like it translates better all around to all playback devices. I suppose you have to find what works for you. 😀
I agree with the drum samples. Sound selection is a very fundamental thing people sometimes forget. This applies most for samples, since it's the most literal example of "sound selection" possible, but it also applies from synth patches too. You want your "starting point," whether it's a preset or an original patch, to be as good as possible. Like 90% of the way there. Then process from there.
One thing I've come to learn over the years is to not drown your music in instruments. Like good cooking, a few ingredients made well is good enough and can bring the flavour of that particular vegetable or meat savory and perfect. Same for sounds. The most common mistake I did in my early days was to add too many tracks with instruments. Another thing is to not let an instrument dominate too much, it should support the music not dominate it.
Ye simple is nice. Tough to achieve with enough fullness but doable. Having dedicated background sounds and rhythms that sit low in the mix helps fill out and create the space that leads and hooks float around in.
when I made my techno album, I was mixing on my KRKs and headphones, as well as doing a car check. Since both my primary mixing setups have little bass (5" speakers with no subwoofer), I realized very fast in the car, that the main thing was "sub is too loud", so I turned that down and now I really like my mix on most systems.
The two i'm currently working on are loopitis and reference tracks. The last one, has never really been a problem for me, but i think laziness actually helps me avoid falling into that bad habit. I have a desk with cheap (decent) speakers and a sub on the floor. I would usually get on there to create, but i have a pile of shirts n stuff on my desk chair that i'm too lazy to move/put away. So for the past year, i've just been producing on my bed with my headphones and recently, a bluetooth/3.5mm jack speaker. I test out my mixes in my car and it's been consistently good with this setup. Just don't think about it too much is what I would say lol
Here’s a bonus tip I’ve learned over 17 years. Yes, don’t over process your drums. Maybe one distortion. Maybe one compressor. Maybe one EQ. Not always all three, not always in a specific order, but that’s about it. Also, underrated tip but equally important, _ADD REVERB TO ALL OF YOUR DRUM SAMPLES._ If everything else in your track gets room to sit in, why not your drums? And ik, some of you are gonna say “yOu CaN’t PuT rEvErB oN a KiCk DuMbAsS,” and to you I say, “ever cut the low end of your reverb bucko? Probably not if you’re saying this.” I tend to use two reverbs. One very very very wet reverb (still full dry) that has a short decay and physically mimics a 4-walled room, and another one with slightly more decay, larger room, and less wet.
One thing I must stress to new producers to break out of loopitis is to work with vocals ASAP. Vocals can give a clear direction for a song rather than an instrumental. For instrumental music you need to have really solid motifs that act how a vocal would. Solar System by Sub Focus is a good example of this.
i am just finding this guy. man i've seen A LOT of producing videos, but no one has ever been this thurough while also being this naturally funny. i love how you keep it fun man that's what music is all about. i feel like a lot of people on YT miss that and take all of the enjoyment out of learning. thank you for your help i know exactly where i'm coming anytime i wanna suck less at producing😂
It's funny cause, I already understood a lot of the concepts he was talking about in this video. But the one thing I took from this video to start using reference in my projects to get the same effect and loudness as the person's track I am using as a reference. Thanks for making this video, it goes to show that no matter how much experience you have in something, you can still learn something new.
I haven't laughed this hard in so long. "If the reference track sounds terrible, all you gotta do is make your track sound terrible in the exact same way", love it because it's so true. Subscribed.
4:21 was the biggest game changer for me. I used to mess around with the sound of my kick or the eq on that synth for hours before finishing to sketch out the broad idea of the track. Those things aren't useless in general but they are wasted things, while your ears are still fresh. Every track where I waste time tinkering on things I shouldnt tinker with, never gets finished because after tinkering for an hour, all the creativity is usually gone.
Dude, idk if it’s a staged persona or just how you are. But you crack me up through the way you speak. Like if you’re in it, I’m instantly liking that 😂
thank you, bro you’re helping me achieve a higher state of gibbis within my music production as well as like , a proper UK mixed down keep up the decent work
Maaan, that was gold! I knew that already. I was sick testing my classical guitar pieces in my car. It's always the most horrible experience. Of course I've learned a lot over time and hat much improved, but the rest of the bad noises are from the car speakers! I have another one: I've seen many finding a peak in the spectrum meter and then immediately eq it out. I mean, that really don't have to be always the case. Some notes or tone have that peak - it's ok!
I know you have some older videos on it, but I think a video going in depth on gain staging, clipping, peaks, and generally just volume would be a great resource actually. I think both music producers and streamers would benefit a lot from it. I tune into way too many streams where the volume is just way too low.
finally someone talking about that ive recently discovered that you can calibrate your ears to pretty much any output source no matter how shitty it is with the use of references. feels almost like a cheatcode. once you realize that, all that talk about "shit-testing" your tracks goes to waste
The reference track with luf meter, & using it for the sub as well, is easily the biggest epiphany I’ve had in a long time. That is gonna make my life sooooo much easier from now on
This guy is amazing at teaching, learning a lot from the videos in a fun way and just got a free orientation from him after entering the website, it's trully mind blowing and an honor for me, gotta love the internet. Thanks for your wisdom and knowledge sharing bro, and giving out the most valueable thing in life, time. I'll pay for a class when I get the money and organize my doubts in place. Dude is awesome! Thanks again.
That list tip saved me 😅been stressing over getting the low-end right for multiple systems. I'll just focus on the ones i expect my song to be heard and call it a day! Release time 😊🎉
I started using a reference track to do production now. as in, load "baby blue", notate every section and big change "-bass 4 bars here, add melody filtered back" etc, and then build my entire track around that. I've never fleshed out full songs so fast. having a skeleton is by far the greatest game changer.
@@jasonanderson5034 Just use one song from each genre, mash them together (with a saturator obvs, don't worry if one is 70bpm and one is 200) and add section refs: intro, whining about losing a lover, whining about why govts always go to war, chorus, more whining, break (more whinging), chorus, outro. Job done.
So glad you’re releasing this kind of content again! Been following the channel throughout my entire production journey and the fact that I’m somewhat half-decent now is thanks in a large part to you.
Daaamn, this has to be one of the most informative yet funny ass videos I’ve ever seen. Had me dying in laughter with “but heres the sit, only got 8 bars of this shit”😂
Okay so I'm following the instructions and I just bought the 02 Corolla. I'm already battling student debt, and the apr is shoddy (only like 18%). Anywho will there be a part 2 to assist with loan issues? Thanks!
I still remember when you had the shitty webcam a few years ago. I sincerly thank you, you've taught me a lot over the years with your free ressources. You've made me into a better producer and still continue to. Thank you dr. Underbelly you've made me a licing
I’ve recently started using more toms and multiple different hats, and it adds so much variation, depth, and texture. Helps change up patterns more to have more pieces to spread out.
@@joshkeating7825 Same! Definitely helped my drums in general. However I feel like my songs could benefit from multiple kick/snare patterns, so I actually have more change in dynamics, cuz usually those stay the same for me (aside from moving around ghost notes and whatnot) but yeah not sure if thats necessary. I REALLY needed to hear about the honeymoon phase thing, i thought if i get bored of a beat after hearing it a million times its just not good enough lol.
@@kamcosmic totally true, dude. Mixing is a fickle task; it can really skew your opinion on your track no matter how good it sounds. Definitely have a beat graveyard that I go in and listen to sometimes and am like “what, this is heat, why is this down here”
"if the reference track sounds terrible, all you have to do is make your track sound terrible in the exact same way, and you are good!" this is probably the most underrated advice you can give someone
genius advice fr
That’s the problem with so much music today: everybody copying everybody.
Try making your music suck in your own UNIQUE sucky way.
he's the goat
@@jeffreyhanc1711 If every novelist made up a language for every book, nobody would read them. You learn to talk from copying your parents, friends, media, and reflecting on what suits your purposes. Music is the same- learn languages, and make sentences. They need to make sense to you, so you need to develop your own sense of your tastes and opinions. And crucially, musicians need to appropriate techniques, such as the use of instruments, keys, modes, styles, rhythms, arrangements, motifs, or whatever else inspires you.
@@kategoss5454 a+. people get too hung up on unrealistic and arbitrary ideas of "uniqueness"
I lost it all, my confidence, my girlfriend, and no bangin boogies to get down with the boys. It wasn't until I visited Dr. Underbelly that I was diagnosed with loopitis and had it for the last 5 years. Rest assured I'm now on track to get at least one song completed by the end of the month. Thanks Dr. Underbelly!
On Track 👀. I see what you did there even if you didn't. 👏
@@jclokworkunderrated reply
Not the loopitis 😂
Bro...i was actually feeling a bit for you and about to say"strange name for s
a DR..get well soon" and shit..then my guy says in the vid about catching loopitus!!
I fukin DIed.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
get well soon and please wear a mask xD
hell yea, i knew after 10 years the reason my music sucks is because of my car
😂😂😂
Hahahahaha same
XD
Hahaha good I have no car. Spent all the money on gear.
Respekt
the "ok so check it" gets me every single time. no matter how many videos i watch that confirm that i suck at producing
4:48 I was diagnosed with loopitis but then I started getting in those broad strokes during the session. After hours of hard stroking it finally happened! Thanks to Mr. Overchest I am no longer a loop-virgin!
Leaped for joy when I got a notification for this. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This guy is THE best resource for genuine and relevant music production information without being bored out of your mind 🐐
wowzers
@rickyneves5895 with da sauce
I got high before watching it for ultimate entertainment and it didn't fail.. and all of those tips couldn't be more true and crucial (except maybe the 1st tip about clipping, and i get his point but i think it's best (even in bass music stuff) to retain some dynamic while tryin to match the reference track loudness rather than jus clipping your way to it for the sake of lufs.. that's why the last tip about using reference tracks is the most important one cuz eventually you'll find out whats the problem in your mix at that stage just with comparing and analyzing..
(sorry about my long ass rant 🙏🏻 i fw that man and want no beef with him)
@@theonenonlybass everyone’s got their own preferences. It’s part of what makes unique music
fuckin ay
Your last tip is so underrated! You might be the first person that I've encountered to talk about this. It's true, you gotta give up trying to make your song sound perfect on every playback device. It's an endless trap of analysis paralysis.
the combination of my studio monitors + headphones + tv speakers (or laptop speakers) works pretty well for me
yep. it's only by time I've learned that many of my favorite producers and engineers work on Beats or other shit but they know the sound so well so it doesn't matter
analysis paralysis. Hot dam ima steal that
this was so refreshing to hear
@@snubdawg1386 Yah, nothing wrong with focusing on making your music sound good on those! Most people are going to be listening to music on headphones anyways, so I tend to make sure my mix sounds decent on ear buds and over the ear headphones. I used to primarily mix on headphones, but now I normally mix on speakers because I feel like it translates better all around to all playback devices. I suppose you have to find what works for you. 😀
I agree with the drum samples. Sound selection is a very fundamental thing people sometimes forget. This applies most for samples, since it's the most literal example of "sound selection" possible, but it also applies from synth patches too. You want your "starting point," whether it's a preset or an original patch, to be as good as possible. Like 90% of the way there. Then process from there.
One thing I've come to learn over the years is to not drown your music in instruments. Like good cooking, a few ingredients made well is good enough and can bring the flavour of that particular vegetable or meat savory and perfect. Same for sounds. The most common mistake I did in my early days was to add too many tracks with instruments.
Another thing is to not let an instrument dominate too much, it should support the music not dominate it.
Ye simple is nice. Tough to achieve with enough fullness but doable.
Having dedicated background sounds and rhythms that sit low in the mix helps fill out and create the space that leads and hooks float around in.
Simple finesse is the way
Happy recovery from loopitis guys🙌
Loopitis?! Is it loopitis?!
"Just make your track sound terrible in the exact same way"
when I made my techno album, I was mixing on my KRKs and headphones, as well as doing a car check. Since both my primary mixing setups have little bass (5" speakers with no subwoofer), I realized very fast in the car, that the main thing was "sub is too loud", so I turned that down and now I really like my mix on most systems.
The two i'm currently working on are loopitis and reference tracks. The last one, has never really been a problem for me, but i think laziness actually helps me avoid falling into that bad habit. I have a desk with cheap (decent) speakers and a sub on the floor. I would usually get on there to create, but i have a pile of shirts n stuff on my desk chair that i'm too lazy to move/put away.
So for the past year, i've just been producing on my bed with my headphones and recently, a bluetooth/3.5mm jack speaker. I test out my mixes in my car and it's been consistently good with this setup. Just don't think about it too much is what I would say lol
Reference tracks for mixing is a stupidly great idea for making the most of any headphone/monitoring system.
Thanks!
McDonald coins
Here’s a bonus tip I’ve learned over 17 years. Yes, don’t over process your drums. Maybe one distortion. Maybe one compressor. Maybe one EQ. Not always all three, not always in a specific order, but that’s about it. Also, underrated tip but equally important, _ADD REVERB TO ALL OF YOUR DRUM SAMPLES._ If everything else in your track gets room to sit in, why not your drums? And ik, some of you are gonna say “yOu CaN’t PuT rEvErB oN a KiCk DuMbAsS,” and to you I say, “ever cut the low end of your reverb bucko? Probably not if you’re saying this.” I tend to use two reverbs. One very very very wet reverb (still full dry) that has a short decay and physically mimics a 4-walled room, and another one with slightly more decay, larger room, and less wet.
100% agree. there's a great Sound On Sound article called "How To Use Reverb Like A Pro" that gives similar advice
One thing I must stress to new producers to break out of loopitis is to work with vocals ASAP. Vocals can give a clear direction for a song rather than an instrumental. For instrumental music you need to have really solid motifs that act how a vocal would. Solar System by Sub Focus is a good example of this.
Most generic tune ever. Boring
You are by FAR my favorite music production channel. My life’s mission is to watch every video of yours until I no longer suck at producing.
i am just finding this guy. man i've seen A LOT of producing videos, but no one has ever been this thurough while also being this naturally funny. i love how you keep it fun man that's what music is all about. i feel like a lot of people on YT miss that and take all of the enjoyment out of learning. thank you for your help i know exactly where i'm coming anytime i wanna suck less at producing😂
Addictive editing style and video format. Great video. Subbed
It's funny cause, I already understood a lot of the concepts he was talking about in this video.
But the one thing I took from this video to start using reference in my projects to get the same effect and loudness as the person's track I am using as a reference.
Thanks for making this video, it goes to show that no matter how much experience you have in something, you can still learn something new.
Unironically some of the best advice for modern day bass music production. A+ work 🤝
I haven't laughed this hard in so long. "If the reference track sounds terrible, all you gotta do is make your track sound terrible in the exact same way", love it because it's so true.
Subscribed.
You've gotten really good at teaching production! Please keep it up!!!
Priceless with the hilarity 😂
4:21 was the biggest game changer for me. I used to mess around with the sound of my kick or the eq on that synth for hours before finishing to sketch out the broad idea of the track. Those things aren't useless in general but they are wasted things, while your ears are still fresh. Every track where I waste time tinkering on things I shouldnt tinker with, never gets finished because after tinkering for an hour, all the creativity is usually gone.
Your videos never get old man haha. Love it.
you're so great bro even after ten years plus of producing I still watch ya. love ya 💜
ur a legend been watching since forever so happy ur still uploading
Dude, idk if it’s a staged persona or just how you are. But you crack me up through the way you speak. Like if you’re in it, I’m instantly liking that 😂
this guy is so accurate with all the things he is saying about my production skills etc
thank you, bro you’re helping me achieve a higher state of gibbis within my music production as well as like , a proper UK mixed down keep up the decent work
my music sucks, and I suck at producing. you are my only hope of getting better. love you man
Why am i only discovering this channel now 😆😆 Enjoyed the video and learned a lot at the same time.
I suck at producing 🤣
incredible simply incredible
Maaan, that was gold! I knew that already. I was sick testing my classical guitar pieces in my car. It's always the most horrible experience. Of course I've learned a lot over time and hat much improved, but the rest of the bad noises are from the car speakers!
I have another one: I've seen many finding a peak in the spectrum meter and then immediately eq it out. I mean, that really don't have to be always the case. Some notes or tone have that peak - it's ok!
as a visual arts student I love to see comparisons between different arts like what you did with Bob Ross. keep it up
I know you have some older videos on it, but I think a video going in depth on gain staging, clipping, peaks, and generally just volume would be a great resource actually. I think both music producers and streamers would benefit a lot from it. I tune into way too many streams where the volume is just way too low.
finally someone talking about that
ive recently discovered that you can calibrate your ears to pretty much any output source no matter how shitty it is with the use of references. feels almost like a cheatcode. once you realize that, all that talk about "shit-testing" your tracks goes to waste
The reference track with luf meter, & using it for the sub as well, is easily the biggest epiphany I’ve had in a long time. That is gonna make my life sooooo much easier from now on
The intro === my life
Most I’ve ever learnt on RUclips for production and it’s in one video
Thanks for this juan my dooder
You're fantastic dude I appreciate this channel so much.
This guy is amazing at teaching, learning a lot from the videos in a fun way and just got a free orientation from him after entering the website, it's trully mind blowing and an honor for me, gotta love the internet. Thanks for your wisdom and knowledge sharing bro, and giving out the most valueable thing in life, time. I'll pay for a class when I get the money and organize my doubts in place. Dude is awesome! Thanks again.
I fuckin' love you dude
A non-serious serious tutorial video about all the things I've been doing wrong, in a way that just cracks me up just right
this was probably your best video yet
That list tip saved me 😅been stressing over getting the low-end right for multiple systems. I'll just focus on the ones i expect my song to be heard and call it a day! Release time 😊🎉
It's always the car. Happy new year mate 🎶
Thank you, you also have a great day 🙏😌
Dude you are hilarous🤣🤣 and very educational too.. subsribed!!
The Earth is finally healing ❤ Missed you man
Happy you are still uploading gold education and not giving up working on us. Stay forever please ;)
You’re already ahead of the game using Leotrix as a reference
Great video!!! Wish i saw this a few years back. You rock!
1:27 I was reminded of Bo Bunrhams Squares vs Circles joke haha.
Our beautiful Sine turns into an UGLY, ANGULAR Square wave 😂
Wisdom Legend
love the haïda pic in the background, have a moon design myself
Sweeet bonkers wowzers uncle Barry is back with the tutorial and I am on the chuff train.
i realllllly appreciate the attitude of this video it slaps ngl
Putting key changes or chords in locators is also useful.
I love this channel
Reference tracks are so helpful to use. Definitely take advantage
From this point i think you are just everywhere
@@the_soundbin 😃
Thank you
An incredible video once again!!!
i missed you man
The king has returned
inspiring as always
Thank you Underbelly! Who else in the world would remind me how much I suck at producing. Love to learn from you! Long life for your channel!
actual useful information in a short time with great humor so it‘s even more fun to watch.. awesome!
I started using a reference track to do production now. as in, load "baby blue", notate every section and big change "-bass 4 bars here, add melody filtered back" etc, and then build my entire track around that.
I've never fleshed out full songs so fast. having a skeleton is by far the greatest game changer.
if u actually make original music like unique u can't use a reference how do i find a reference for a lo-fi death metal song
@@jasonanderson5034 Just use one song from each genre, mash them together (with a saturator obvs, don't worry if one is 70bpm and one is 200) and add section refs: intro, whining about losing a lover, whining about why govts always go to war, chorus, more whining, break (more whinging), chorus, outro. Job done.
So glad you’re releasing this kind of content again! Been following the channel throughout my entire production journey and the fact that I’m somewhat half-decent now is thanks in a large part to you.
You have opened my eyes to my many flaws! Thank you, sensei
best channel for hard production facts
The part on the “loopitis” is really deeply true
the marker thing to use reference track song structure is actually golden for me since i struggle with that the most tbh
That beginning was amazing😂😂😂
Bro, funny as heck as educational! Thank you!
As someone getting back into producing 6 years since practically giving up altogether, I needed this. Love u Underbelly
Getting there
i liked the kick at the benining
Amazing content my friend
you're the man G!
ty!
best proudction channel out there, actually watchable videos
I want that stacked OTT chain
These tips are actually super useful! This is exactly what I needed to hear lol
Where has this guy been all my life
This is a sick video! Can I make my own version of this 🎉🎉. That reference and Overprocessing drums is meeeeeee right now 😭
Wow, that was something I really needed to hear.
Have a great day!
What a great video and channel
Daaamn, this has to be one of the most informative yet funny ass videos I’ve ever seen. Had me dying in laughter with “but heres the sit, only got 8 bars of this shit”😂
Okay so I'm following the instructions and I just bought the 02 Corolla. I'm already battling student debt, and the apr is shoddy (only like 18%).
Anywho will there be a part 2 to assist with loan issues? Thanks!
Hahaha that intro. Banger in itself. 😮
Thanks, homie!
Underbelly, you’re a shining source of infinite wisdom! Thank you!
I still remember when you had the shitty webcam a few years ago. I sincerly thank you, you've taught me a lot over the years with your free ressources. You've made me into a better producer and still continue to. Thank you dr. Underbelly you've made me a licing
lolol bro you are gifted with being so hilarious and being a great educator
Definitely suffering from loopitis, i really struggle with multiple drum patterns, can make 2 at most. (Genre is more like alt rnb/hiphop)
I’ve recently started using more toms and multiple different hats, and it adds so much variation, depth, and texture. Helps change up patterns more to have more pieces to spread out.
@@joshkeating7825 Same! Definitely helped my drums in general. However I feel like my songs could benefit from multiple kick/snare patterns, so I actually have more change in dynamics, cuz usually those stay the same for me (aside from moving around ghost notes and whatnot) but yeah not sure if thats necessary.
I REALLY needed to hear about the honeymoon phase thing, i thought if i get bored of a beat after hearing it a million times its just not good enough lol.
@@kamcosmic totally true, dude. Mixing is a fickle task; it can really skew your opinion on your track no matter how good it sounds. Definitely have a beat graveyard that I go in and listen to sometimes and am like “what, this is heat, why is this down here”
I missed this kind of videos Underbelly, you gave me joy, and nostalgia when I found while I was really started producing music. Thanks.
Great video, long time no educational one
Really helpful, love this style of video. Thanks man :)