Avon: Slim go get that nigga 15,000 in cash Stringer: Alright I'll give you 10,000 but I want receipts on everything, that shit's tax deductible Prop Joe: I'll give you 15,000 now, but I want 15% of every boxer's future earnings Marlo: Chris will holla at you
think what Avon got with being cool about cutty failing a mission and handing out 15k in this scene. I think it's a pretty good investment for Avon. Imagine cutty's influence among kids growing up in corners if he keep training those kids.
@@경택오-x4b nah i dont believe that was any of the reasons avon did that, It was out of the kindness of his heart. He even said he didnt want his name or face on any wall so it wasnt for clout. Avon already maxed out his clout at that point in the series anyways imo, been king of west side for years.
Robert Morgan They knew that a crackfiend would only waste it on crack. Cutty had a more altruistic goal in mind when it came to the money and they respected that.
Each one? That must take a while... sidohdiuhidsvnsiovnsoeifjwpoeijfdsicnsdcnbdsubhriuofhsdionvkjcvbiofvneiorjfwioncsdjvbeiovnhdsiovnveiovneoifjwopedjldskncnerugbi3ojf2po3jfnsdkjvndjkfvbiofvnejrbvoienbciorvjdovnejbviofnhiodndkvebnrioneoifjwefindsjcneriovniodnclkfnewiofnbodivneioneiobneiobeiofneiofjwepfojdopjsdlknvdvioneoirnkdneionfoie;gibbgeuifioehfoiejfpwoejfoefjoepfj Doesn't it get annoying?
wish they played the whole context behind this. cutty tried for days to get permits, churches, courthouse, then he asks his drug dealer homie and gets it asap. this sceane shows its not about how hard you work its about who u know
People who are newly rich often tip very, very poorly but I don't think it's fair for anyone to feel entitled to someone else's money. Back when the Seattle SuperSonics existed, I had a friend who worked a restaurant frequented by the players. He talked about how Kevin Durant tipped ok and Jeff Green tipped really poorly (they were rookies that year), but the older players always tipped really, really well.
i like how Avon decided to give him 15k instead of 10k .. He has history wid his mans and for him to see his boy doing good for the community and tryna help upcoming trouble teens shows a lot of respect right there ..
+ Tong Gorokh What's your point? If there's a market it for it sell it. It's not like they're forcing people to take drugs, people chose to. It's funny how alcohol and tobacco is just as bad, causes just as much damage to society, but because its legal people have no issue with corporations that sell that crap to the public, nor do they have an issue with the people who work for those companies. The same goes for prescription medication and all the side effects, deaths and addictions that they cause. If its a market it for it, sell it. Drugs are only illegal because the government hasn't figured out a way to get their cut.
government already figured out how to get cut it called prescription medication as you mention and tabaco and alcohol taxes, but heavy drug illegal because they do lethal effect on people more faster then alcohol and tabaco and it more addicted, so when you telling people choose do drugs, well they not choose, they addicted to take it and will do anything to get it, what used by drug dealers to get short dollar. Basicly Avon hypocrite.
Tong Gorokh Drugs are illegal not because of how fast of an effect they have on people. Alcohol has a much faster effect on people than drugs. Just go to your local bar, you'll see fist fights, guns pulled all kinds of nonsense. Or just look at the domestic violence incidences and drunk driving accidents that cost lives each and every night. They wash over this because the alcohol industry has a powerful lobby in Washington. Don't for a moment think the government has your best interest in mind. They don't. Drugs are illegal because the government can't control the distribution. They don't control the people who make the most in third world nations from growing the plants. It's hard to tax weed when someone can grow it on their window seal. The distribution of cocaine is controlled by south Americans and African Americans, if they were to legalize the stuff, these third class citizens would have a instant monopoly over everyone else. They can't have that, the power structure would be turned on its head. It's easier to keep certain drugs illegal, and vilify certain groups of people for offering the public the same crap that alcohol, prescription drugs and tobacco industry does, than it would be to legalize and instantly change the power structure with in a nation. I spent years in Europe and they have legalized drug use in some countries and it works. Those who want to use can use and those that don't, won't do so. I don't buy into the bull shit. Alcohol is way worse than other drugs, prohibition didn't get passed for no reason. Women were tired of getting their asses beat by their husbands, towns were tired of drunken gun fights etc. There is an immediate effect when people drink. Mothers against drunk drivers was started because of alcohol. Weed has way more health benefits than negatives but they won't let the truth out because the government has classified falsely as a harmful drug, while they ignore prescription drugs that are similar in power and addictive capabilities as cocaine and heroin. With the Government, money talks, the truth walks.
they legalized canabis not cocain ^) i totaly agree with you about prescription drugs and yes goverment can make cocain prescription drug, actually it was already and it was for kids ^) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Cocaine_for_kids.png
Not necessarily. Remember that Marlo gave away cash to neighborhood kids and was very generous to his most loyal underlings - he put Mike up in a very nice place before he ever asked anything in return. Now, Marlo *did* ask for favors in return and I'd never argue that he was as warm a character as Avon, but let it not be said that Marlo was unwilling to spread money around, especially to people he liked.
Golden Goat That's not the same thing. He wasn't giving those kids money to better themselves like Cutty was trying to do with the Gym, he was doing it to entice them towards being future soldiers of his.
Chad really killed it in this scene. i love how he was embarrassed thinking he was gonna get laughed out of the room, then suddenly gets more than he imagined and his head almost explodes
Don’t forget before this he was struggling to even be taken serious but lawful people that are meant to be the good people of the society. Then when he goes to his friend that’s a drug dealer, that’s viewed as the bad people of society they not only respect him but they don’t even question him and give it to him so easily.
@@anewdayali2538yeah, although it's also important to remember that lieutenant Daniel's wife also met with him at the encouragement of the ministers to get the permits and stuff. He needed someone politically connected and he had some politically connected friends at that point because the minister
Cutty and Avon are real OLD G's. They respected a code and the game. Growing up on the south side of Chicago in the 70's and 80's, members of the Black Gangster Disciples or The Blackstone Rangers/El Rukins wouldn't fuck with you if they knew you were serious about your grades, serious about playing ball or playing and learning music. They RESPECTED IT, they gave you props and protection......
That's the old school mentality about the game and everything beyond it. The bunk mentions that when talking to Omar about how the boys at parties told bunk to leave cause he was a school boy and not meant for.the street. He just didn't realize they were doing him a favor.
Well this here was set in 2004, meaning they definitely grew up in the 80s and 90s. I think Cutty actually got locked up in 1986 so that gives you a time frame for when he grew up
The way Cutty seemed to use boxing as a way to get kids off the corners, it amazes me that Avon not only would have allowed him to train them, but would have given him 1.5 times what he asked for. You almost get the sense that there's a part of Avon that resented the street life, and he secretly wanted to keep future generations out of the business. Almost trying to save them from the life he chose.
Rob M It's the former.Avon was a genuine nigga.When he said he wanted to fight for his corners he actually wanted to fight for his corners.When he gave Cutty the money to help keep those kids stay off the corners and in a boxing gym that's because he actually wanted to help them.Those kids were old enough to be on the corners.
@@rouskeycarpel8652 Also, Avon was smart enough to recognize that the game ain't for everybody. You had to be hard to survive. Why not have something else for a kid of no means to do?
You can tell in Avon's expression when he told Slim Cutty's "a man today" after he walked out of the game that he was somewhat envious of his courage to venture out into a more legitimate unknown.
It’s been hinted at a few times that Avon does indeed think about a life outside of the game, mostly whenever he’s talking to Cutty. He was stunned when Cutty decided to leave the game. Like watching someone like Bubbles who was an addict for 90% of the show finally get clean, it’s something you wouldn’t expect. Deep down, Avon knew he would eventually become Cutty: An OG who has done his time and leads a quiet and normal life which he secretly wants it, but he isn’t sure how to deal with it, hence why he said,” But you ain’t done shit else.” He wanted genuinely wanted to know how someone could leave the game.
+David White In 'the game', relatively speaking...he was. You could see in the atmosphere of the streets when he was in charge. There was life and things were brighter, even though they were in the illegal drug trade. When Marlo came in, it got dark and cold in the streets.
mikem987 Also notice how most of the Stanfield organization was filmed at night. They literally were dark. Barksdale had a daylight reign more or less.
jessesam Why?? If Avon gave Cutty twice what he asked for, then you’d say that Avon was arrogant. And frankly, Cutty probably wouldn’t accept that amount. It would’ve made Cutty suspicious as to why Avon would do that....making Cutty think that Avon had an ulterior motive.
When Cutty told Avon he was done. Slim said to Avon "He was a man in his day....and Avon said he a man now. All round respect for Cutty and for his decision to figure out the next.....and then scenes later put money in Cutty hand to do something else. Avon was my favorite character
That in itself is evident when had it not been for police interference, Avon was going to personally oversee the Stanfield organization's (violent) demise.
@Maurice Hawkins absolutely💯💯💯💯 another way to look at it Marlo got respect because of fear but Avon was feared out of respect that's why in the end the one thing Marlo truly wanted was his name to be remembered in the streets but instead Avon's will & Marlo's was forgotten
+eltubster14 Tony was a frekkin horrible boss Avon sold out Stringer but you could say that that was justified, stringer doing alotta sidebusiness, had D killed etc etc Tony was more pure evil, killed more for convienience, killed family, and beat up people just to assert himself, that poor bartender LoL
+Yeah Bee you seem to forget Stringer snitched to the cops to get Avon locked back up. People hate that String got clapped out but in reality he got what he deserved.
+eltubster14 Tony, as much as a like the character, was a prick. He was only "good" so long as circumstances allowed him to be. But at the end of the day when he was cornered he was like an animal. Avon on the other hand, had little muscle left, losing territory and power to Marlo, and STILL he had the decency to understand Cutty and his reasoning for wanting out. Despite circumstances being against him he still stood tall.
This show is DEFINITELY the record holder for number of great characters. Seriously, i don't think there is ONE character on this program that doesn't hold your attention.
Slim Charles is a master of reading people and situations. He always makes an educated, reactive response when dealing with his people. Notice he waited for Avon's reaction to the $10k before giving his own input.
the difference between marlo and avon : avon doesnt want no credits for doing good things like this for young kids, while marlo wanted to make sure everybody knows where the money came from when monk gave it to the kids for schoolclothes
You need to realize, Avon been in that neighborhood for years. Everyone new him. Marlo is coming in to take over. He has to get his name out AND eliminate the top dog. The real question is - how did Avon act when he was in Marlo's position (i.e. building his rep)?
Laurence A Good question? Not sure how Avon took over, but he most likely did it by force. Or maybe not, because he was a legacy dealer. His family was already established in that area as the kingpins. He just stepped into his position when he was of age. The same way his nephew was supposed to.
One of the many great things about Cutty's 3rd Season story line is how much it humanized Avon Barksdale. He was right after all when he said he bleeds red. Within that violent, intimidating gangster beat a real heart. It just got smothered by everything else in his life and only Cutty was able to breathe some life into it.
I love that some of that money went back into the community that was arguably being destroyed by those activities before Avon met his fate. Cutty asked him just in time, lol. Before the barksdale empire fell, it planted the seed for those kids to do something other than being on the corner. Unfortnately... you can't save em all, but hey that's season 4.
JimmySteller well I think that was one of the (many) messages and ideas of the show. Few people are that "black and white" when it comes to their personalities, character, motivations etc. It brings to mind a conversation I had years ago with my father, where I tried (and failed) to get him to see that a good friend of mine who was dealing hard drugs was still a decent guy. Not too many people are simply "good" or "evil", we all have lots of different sides. And shit, once you truly understand somebody's motivations for their behavior, nobody is that two-dimensional.
I had so much respect for Cutty because he truly repented, the way he told Avon "The game aint in me no more" Cutty was puzzled about going back but then he was just like that aint me no more. Cutty was a great character in the Wire
***** 80% of prisoners dont rehabilitate they become worse & more hardened than they use to. In Norway only 20% of prisoners become repeat offenders because in Norway they do everything to rehabilitate the prisoners. while in America its 80% because the system is more about retribution than rehabilitation & redemption.
jonathan fanfan Truth, and we jail far more than we need in America while private prison companies sweep in the profits. And of course the whole system is viciously rigged against people of color, especially young men. The penal system in this country and the war on drugs (which is really a war on poverty) that feeds it are far greater problems than any drugs, any dealers, or any gangs.
***** THERE IS NO WAR ON DRUGS. since the 70s vietnam war some CIA members been involved in drug trafficking. 1980s it was cocaine then now Afghanistan opium
Exactly there is no war on Drugs they just manage it,it's all big Business to keep them Rich n us poor sure a few Salmon Make it up stream but we all know what happens to most of em!
Mainly because Avon is shown a "mostly dumb and egotistical" in the first season, while Stringer is posed as the "calm and composed one" leaving us to believe that Stringer shouldve been the boss. But first season IS the breaking point for barksdale org, up until now they were unreachable. Avon is the guy you want as a leader when the org is growing : full of energy, of respect and knowing when to hit and when to hide. While Stringer is the guy you need in peace time, towering his subject and acting safekeeper. It's only after S2 that you see stringer becoming manipulative against Avon : when the org was in full power, both their agenda were sustainable (Corners were held AND Stringer was legitimizing already) at the same time, but after that there was a conflict over the direction to take because funds were limited and they had pressure from the cops. Avon post S1 is shown as having his priorities set straight (he needs corners to have money to give to his friends) while stringer is becoming a BBEG seeing only his interests. sure they both turn against each other (during the reminescing conversation) but ultimately neither would have done so if they could return to power (they would just keep in touch from distant worlds). but Stringer fail to integrate in the proper society and Avon is shut down before he could rise again.
Notice the difference between Marlo and Avon. Avon clearly saying he does want his name and face posted on a wall. Heck even in season one they had a hard time identifying him. Marlo on the other gives kids money to make his name ring out. Avon's way was better.
+fuloran1 Avon is still king, Marlo got booted out the game by the police and was forgotten about. Yea Avon is locked up, but he still has his name and rep unlike Marlo
Avon had a "King" personality. He could surprise you at time with a noble, loyal side. He DUG Cutty....With Slim there, it was a supportive environment for Cutty, at that moment...
Wee-Bey's respect for Cutty "...talking about a homie walked up and shot Elijah Davis, broad daylight, at Pensy and Gold, then picked up the phone, dialed 911, told the police 'i just shot a ******, come get him. That dude aint breakin'" (cheers to Layman for the edit)
Not gonna lie, I laughed too. I remember earlier about a conversation on how Avon was making at least 25 million dollars a year from his organization, so giving 10,000 dollars was like giving $5 to a beggar to Avon.
Oh yeah now I recall. Thanks. My favourite aspect of this, is about how low key Avon is about his achievements. Winning Golden Gloves is really hard and the start of a pro career. A life achievement. Like taking part in the Olympics. But he's chill about it and doesn't even offer his advice.
This was a Key moment that showed who Avon really was and why he was in The King’s position, despite what eventually happens later, Avon despite being a career criminal, understood the value of giving back without getting any credit or recognition for it.
Sort of tragic that the hard work the unit put into taking Avon down paved the way for someone infinitely worse to take over. Avon had a code and his own sort of dedication to the community. Marlo had neither.
***** Sadly, yes, though much of that came of terrible decisions by the government. Disenfranchising the Baathist elite and releasing the entire military created PERFECT conditions for an insurgency.
president camacho Thats a nice reverse compliment you just did there...LoL...I always liked the dialogue in the wire it seems how most normal people would talk, not hype it for ratings by using cheesy lines...The conversations just seem authentic...
president camacho I dont think there was nothing Shakespearean about this scene it just seem like a genuine conversation about a loan that a couple of guys from the hood would have and used slang that could be considered normal or in terms where any viewer could understand what they meant, even the most educated but at times most of The Wire conversations and situations are very down to earth or understandable. I get where you coming from tho its all good...
So much mutual respect in this scene. Cutty comes in with the pitch, Avon brushes him off and then goes above and beyond. All after Cutty has accomplished the seemingly impossible task of leaving the organization with his reputation intact... This is why you give notice and dont burn bridges, kids.
Slim's reaction was so priceless, he looked and stopped....................LMAO! But Cutty was the man, he wanted so bad to do something GOOD for a change. That was admirable.
For those who dnt know, Cutty smoked a dude in daylight in front of witnesses and then called 911 to say he did it, took 14 years and never snitched on the gang.
''You know I don't want my fucking name and face on no damn wall, you crazy nigga'' That line is the main difference between Avon and Marlo. That line is the complete opposite of what Marlo is about.
+FieLdHouZ Nah Avon cared about his name ringing out on the street and holding weight in the street and in Prison he just didn't want his name and Photo on a wall
Avon respected him, when he went to speak to him when cutty was bout to get out, he saw the Joint broke him and knew he was tryna better himself. Avon had a heart.
The next time you guys watch season five look at the gym wall when Dookie goes to Cutty for training. He ended up putting Avons golden gloves picture on the wall.
First time I saw this, I thought Avon was laughing at the thought of giving him money, but he was laughing at the effort he put in for what Avon felt was so little. Mad respect between those two.
When they were in Jessup, Avon knew he wasn't cut out for the streets anymore, but he still provided a lane if ever he changed his mind. The fact that Cutty found something that he could do, Avon rewarded him for being humble and true to what he is willing to do. Avon showed great character and didn't hold it over his head that he could no longer use him in the streets.
Marlo wanted the youngins to have fun bustin heads avon wanted them to have fun doin extracurricular activities like boxing. he was a real leader. held basketball games and everything. he took care of the community. family man and business man
Just cant help comparing this incident with the Sopranos. While Avon presumably gave the money free to Cutty, Tony Soprano wud have loaned only the exact 10k with an interest of 1 point which he did to Arty who was one of his close childhood friends.
This scene shows the difference between people like Slim and Avon, and people like Marlo. It sounds fucking insane to say that murderers like Avon, Slim or Wee-Bey had any love in their hearts, but when given a chance (like here) they really did. As Paris said about wannabe gangsters who think their violence makes them respectable, "Ain't no love in them cold-hearted stares." Avon's crew killed citizens (in EPISODE ONE), but they were still so much better than Marlo's crew.
Mkc N No I don't, I think Obama is a war criminal and would be charged with war crimes if international law wasn't just a hypocritical evil charade. My point was just that there are still varying degrees of evil, but I totally agree with you that the US government has no right to condemn gangsters (or drug dealers lol) as they are one and the same.
Avon might have seemed like he was heartless but he really wasn't. If you look at it, every body (showed in the story) that was dropped by Barksdale Crew, was in the name of business to the game. Marlo on the other hand, killed for whatever sick reason he wanted showing no kind of remorse nor empathy towards human kind.
Marlo and Avon were at to completely different points in their lives, so of course they'd act differently. Time is unknown, but Avon/Stringer had already taken over the Towers, the low rises, and seemingly all the territory worth having in West Baltimore before the show even started. Marlo was basically a corner boy who grew his operation into a nice little crew when he was introduced. Once Marlo got the crown, and if Chris was able to get out of jail and want to try something else, Marlo would show him that love and let him be on his way
Again what you say makes sense but I reckon the fact that Cutty was trying to find a job/purpose in his life after getting out of the game whilst being enthusiastic about a boxing gym was a big part of why Avon gave him the cash. He didn't want his name on the wall as he didn't want to highlight to the police where his money was going.
***** You were probably just commenting on the quote by wagooairlines, but your funny comment got me thinking--I was saying, "Not a winning slogan", to a cat like Avon. In church, in these tough times, though...plenty who can't and don't wanna dig that deep--hell, yeah, put me down for the Bronze Club...unless, is their a TIn Club?
Avon's poster did hang in Cutty's gym ever since then. Guess his legacy lives on (although on paper Avon should be out of jail pretty soon after season 5...)
jessesam actually 30 years 5 for the parole violation and another 25 years for various charges and if Daniels made good on his promise to take the conspiracy charge to federal he's never getting out of prison
jessesam they had stringer's statement so they know where he was they know where the weapons were what weapons were there they know how much ammo was there they know where any hiding places to stash the weapons are and they know who the owner is remember when one of his men told the cops all the weapons were his and Daniels asked if he had a law degree? That's because they knew the stuff was Avon's not even levy could save the crew at this point thanks to stringer
Like others have pointed out. Cutty went to churches and the so called “good” people of the community and got nothing. While Avon a gang banger and drug dealer immediately gave more then was asked and was happy to do it.
The coolest part about this scene to me is that it is a call back to season 1 when Freeman figured out who Avon was because his name and picture was on the wall of a boxing gym. Avon didn't want that here specifically to keep from being caught, when it actually had already lead to his arrest.
Subtle thing The Wire director's always do: any scene Slim Charles is in, it always cuts to him 2-3 times for a reaction shot. It breathes life into the scene and fleshes him out; he's always thoughtful, loyal, but thinking things over. Brilliant how they use him to add small texture and flavor.
another difference between avon and marlo. avon was willingly to at least somewhat contribute to his community and he'll be remembered for at least one positive thing with his face on the gym wall. marlo won't be remembered for shit.
Lumumba You forgot about the yearly Eastside/Westside basketball tournaments, and the community dinners that Avon sponsored. I think that’s where we meet D’angelo’s girlfriend, Donette, and their baby. It’s in the first episode, I think.
Idk, Marlo was giving out straight cash money to the kids in his neighborhood. Granted, it was just to build his own clout, but he still wanted that image of being necessary to the community like Avon had.
Avon helping out the youth.Its almost as if he sees himself,and the path he could have taken in life,and wants to see some young boxers strive to be the best.Even though he is trapped in the game,he has hope for people.
Damn, Cutty looks legit hurt/heartbroken when Avon and Slim start laughing. They're his last hope and he thinks he's being mocked for asking so much, but in reality it's the opposite. Cutty has their respect, they know he means well for the kids, so him being meek and humble wasn't necessary. He could've walked in and said, "Hey I want to build a gym for the kids so they stay off the streets, I need 25". Slim and Avon would've just nodded and said, "aight".
Cutty's Character was so important for the show. He never gave up on his dream to run a boxing gym, and help his community. He may have did some street shit, but every man is gonna do what he has to do, until he is doing what he wants to do.
Avon also respected the fact that cutty did 14yrs stayed solid and never folded he knew cutty wasn’t same but still a solid dude just tryna change his life this
@@smoothshot8925 cutty grew up he seen all those kids was dying chasing that fake Scarface dream competing trying to be the biggest drug dealer but in reality they was just setting they self up for failure 😞 cutty seen that so the boxing 🥊 was to show them it’s other ways to make it out the hood rich other than drug dealing 💯
Yo yo yo. You guys got to appreciate the Cutty acting skills man. I really think he’s under appreciated as an actor. Focus on his subtle facial expressions which fell so damn much and are so believable. Here, when Avon say about the 15k and when he asks Bodie about his brother James and Bodie tells him he been dead.
jessesam - cause by this time he had gotten out of the game and was trying to do this gym thing. And remember he came back to work for Avon before giving it up. So he didn't know how Avon would react to him asking for the money
Great bait and switch making the audience and Cutty thinking Avon was going to snub him, just to give him 5k more than he asked. Easily one of my favorite scenes.
My dad laughed at me the same way when i asked for that kind of money, then he said get the hell out of his house.
Now there's a good dad
Same laugh, different answer
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yoooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂
Yoooo fuckin hillarious
Avon: Slim go get that nigga 15,000 in cash
Stringer: Alright I'll give you 10,000 but I want receipts on everything, that shit's tax deductible
Prop Joe: I'll give you 15,000 now, but I want 15% of every boxer's future earnings
Marlo: Chris will holla at you
Paulo Alexandre
Yep. Lol
"Chris will holla at you" :D
@@philipbarasa6029 🤣🤣🤣
Stringer: And hey yo shut that door.
😂
Slim Charles: “He was the man back in the day.”
Avon: “He’s a man today.”
that one cuts deep
Dude got 15k instead of 10k for being humble about opening a kids gym. Avon is the Vito Corleone of The Wire.
John S Vito always wanted something in return
Avon just gave it to cutty no questions asked and extra
think what Avon got with being cool about cutty failing a mission and handing out 15k in this scene.
I think it's a pretty good investment for Avon. Imagine cutty's influence among kids growing up in corners if he keep training those kids.
@@경택오-x4b nah i dont believe that was any of the reasons avon did that, It was out of the kindness of his heart.
He even said he didnt want his name or face on any wall so it wasnt for clout. Avon already maxed out his clout at that point in the series anyways imo, been king of west side for years.
@@lamasterbatonlll1383 not when he helped the old lady with her landlord
The look on Slim Charles' face when he said $10K was like he was asking for $10.00
And going the other way, had some fiend asked either of them for $10, they'd have no doubt kicked his ass
Robert Morgan They knew that a crackfiend would only waste it on crack. Cutty had a more altruistic goal in mind when it came to the money and they respected that.
Robert Morgan I doubt it.
@J Jackson 😅😅😅underrated comment
Emmanuel Stalling Yeah he asked for 10$ and got 15$ 👍
i wish i could erase this show from my mind so I could watch it again and experience it first hand.
+stevenan93 You can, you just gotta train boxing with head gear that does't have that cheek protection.
+frigginjoe how much that gonna cost?
+stevenan93 Fiteen Tou
+stevenan93 You want that Pandemic
for sure
Slim Charles was the most underrated character in The Wire.
***** Do you know what a coloured lady is? Not your moms, for sure.
You not listening, you reading.
Then the word would sound the same and you'd have no clue.
Each one? That must take a while... sidohdiuhidsvnsiovnsoeifjwpoeijfdsicnsdcnbdsubhriuofhsdionvkjcvbiofvneiorjfwioncsdjvbeiovnhdsiovnveiovneoifjwopedjldskncnerugbi3ojf2po3jfnsdkjvndjkfvbiofvnejrbvoienbciorvjdovnejbviofnhiodndkvebnrioneoifjwefindsjcneriovniodnclkfnewiofnbodivneioneiobneiobeiofneiofjwepfojdopjsdlknvdvioneoirnkdneionfoie;gibbgeuifioehfoiejfpwoejfoefjoepfj Doesn't it get annoying?
My work here is done.
wish they played the whole context behind this. cutty tried for days to get permits, churches, courthouse, then he asks his drug dealer homie and gets it asap. this sceane shows its not about how hard you work its about who u know
+Nicole Steward Thats too crazy....
You're right about that. It's definitely all about who you know.
Nicole Steward it’s more about respect. Cutty had earned Avon’s respect so he was able to cash in on that good will
The sad truth! Thanks for posting
Nicole Steward big Facts
I love how $10K is a complete joke to Avon and Cutty is just shocked as hell. Its funny how the value of money changes when you get wealthy.
not all wealthy, there are some rich motherfuckers out there that don't even tip well or not at all.
Yup....LoL
People who are newly rich often tip very, very poorly but I don't think it's fair for anyone to feel entitled to someone else's money. Back when the Seattle SuperSonics existed, I had a friend who worked a restaurant frequented by the players. He talked about how Kevin Durant tipped ok and Jeff Green tipped really poorly (they were rookies that year), but the older players always tipped really, really well.
thats how they got rich
The middle class tips the best considering the amount of money they have. They know how the service sector lives off tips.
i like how Avon decided to give him 15k instead of 10k .. He has history wid his mans and for him to see his boy doing good for the community and tryna help upcoming trouble teens shows a lot of respect right there ..
yea after he get money by selling drugs to community
+ Tong Gorokh What's your point? If there's a market it for it sell it. It's not like they're forcing people to take drugs, people chose to. It's funny how alcohol and tobacco is just as bad, causes just as much damage to society, but because its legal people have no issue with corporations that sell that crap to the public, nor do they have an issue with the people who work for those companies. The same goes for prescription medication and all the side effects, deaths and addictions that they cause. If its a market it for it, sell it. Drugs are only illegal because the government hasn't figured out a way to get their cut.
government already figured out how to get cut it called prescription medication as you mention and tabaco and alcohol taxes, but heavy drug illegal because they do lethal effect on people more faster then alcohol and tabaco and it more addicted, so when you telling people choose do drugs, well they not choose, they addicted to take it and will do anything to get it, what used by drug dealers to get short dollar. Basicly Avon hypocrite.
Tong Gorokh Drugs are illegal not because of how fast of an effect they have on people. Alcohol has a much faster effect on people than drugs. Just go to your local bar, you'll see fist fights, guns pulled all kinds of nonsense. Or just look at the domestic violence incidences and drunk driving accidents that cost lives each and every night. They wash over this because the alcohol industry has a powerful lobby in Washington. Don't for a moment think the government has your best interest in mind. They don't. Drugs are illegal because the government can't control the distribution. They don't control the people who make the most in third world nations from growing the plants. It's hard to tax weed when someone can grow it on their window seal. The distribution of cocaine is controlled by south Americans and African Americans, if they were to legalize the stuff, these third class citizens would have a instant monopoly over everyone else. They can't have that, the power structure would be turned on its head. It's easier to keep certain drugs illegal, and vilify certain groups of people for offering the public the same crap that alcohol, prescription drugs and tobacco industry does, than it would be to legalize and instantly change the power structure with in a nation.
I spent years in Europe and they have legalized drug use in some countries and it works. Those who want to use can use and those that don't, won't do so. I don't buy into the bull shit. Alcohol is way worse than other drugs, prohibition didn't get passed for no reason. Women were tired of getting their asses beat by their husbands, towns were tired of drunken gun fights etc. There is an immediate effect when people drink. Mothers against drunk drivers was started because of alcohol. Weed has way more health benefits than negatives but they won't let the truth out because the government has classified falsely as a harmful drug, while they ignore prescription drugs that are similar in power and addictive capabilities as cocaine and heroin. With the Government, money talks, the truth walks.
they legalized canabis not cocain ^) i totaly agree with you about prescription drugs and yes goverment can make cocain prescription drug, actually it was already and it was for kids ^)
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Avon always respected Cutty. He never snitched and did his time.
Factz
Wee bey respected the shit out of Cutty, i think it says enough haha
Respect-respect-blablabla.
Those were murderers.
valentino1000
of course, OG
Osef Enfait wee bay and cutty were cell mates, that how they met, it didn't go back farther than that
Now if Cutty were to approach Marlo for money, Marlo would of had him killed for suggesting such an idea.
Not necessarily. Remember that Marlo gave away cash to neighborhood kids and was very generous to his most loyal underlings - he put Mike up in a very nice place before he ever asked anything in return.
Now, Marlo *did* ask for favors in return and I'd never argue that he was as warm a character as Avon, but let it not be said that Marlo was unwilling to spread money around, especially to people he liked.
Golden Goat True he was
Golden Goat Exactly. Marlo would probably force him to make that gym a front for drug running.
Golden Goat That's not the same thing. He wasn't giving those kids money to better themselves like Cutty was trying to do with the Gym, he was doing it to entice them towards being future soldiers of his.
That's a Fact!...
Chad really killed it in this scene. i love how he was embarrassed thinking he was gonna get laughed out of the room, then suddenly gets more than he imagined and his head almost explodes
He kills it as Fred Johnson on the Expanse too. Love dat guy
Don’t forget before this he was struggling to even be taken serious but lawful people that are meant to be the good people of the society. Then when he goes to his friend that’s a drug dealer, that’s viewed as the bad people of society they not only respect him but they don’t even question him and give it to him so easily.
@@anewdayali2538 I don’t know you fam, but i can see you ain’t never told a lie 💯💯💯 lol
Yeah they did laugh him out of the room but only because his demands were so modest in their eyes. He probably could have asked him for 50k
@@anewdayali2538yeah, although it's also important to remember that lieutenant Daniel's wife also met with him at the encouragement of the ministers to get the permits and stuff. He needed someone politically connected and he had some politically connected friends at that point because the minister
You did all that... for $10,000?
Slim give the nigga $15,000 in cash.
Fiteen thousand*
Cutty was real old school. Great character
His facial expressions are crackup. When Avon tells him he'll get 15000 hahaha
another character that should have never died in the walking dead
@@minos121 Or All American. Chad Coleman is a great actor
The dichotomy of the show. Avon could be kind and generous, yet he was a vicious criminal. Truly the duality of man.
Capcoor The wire found the humanity in an inhuman system.
Jordan Peterson Analogy: Wise King/ Tyrant
The irony is that many politicians are this way as well. A lot dont even possess the generosity portion and just the vicious criminal portion
the duality of what?!
He respected Cutty because he found a way out
Cutty and Avon are real OLD G's. They respected a code and the game. Growing up on the south side of Chicago in the 70's and 80's, members of the Black Gangster Disciples or The Blackstone Rangers/El Rukins wouldn't fuck with you if they knew you were serious about your grades, serious about playing ball or playing and learning music. They RESPECTED IT, they gave you props and protection......
Shit doubt that happens anymore
That's the old school mentality about the game and everything beyond it. The bunk mentions that when talking to Omar about how the boys at parties told bunk to leave cause he was a school boy and not meant for.the street. He just didn't realize they were doing him a favor.
Well this here was set in 2004, meaning they definitely grew up in the 80s and 90s. I think Cutty actually got locked up in 1986 so that gives you a time frame for when he grew up
The way Cutty seemed to use boxing as a way to get kids off the corners, it amazes me that Avon not only would have allowed him to train them, but would have given him 1.5 times what he asked for. You almost get the sense that there's a part of Avon that resented the street life, and he secretly wanted to keep future generations out of the business. Almost trying to save them from the life he chose.
Rob M It's the former.Avon was a genuine nigga.When he said he wanted to fight for his corners he actually wanted to fight for his corners.When he gave Cutty the money to help keep those kids stay off the corners and in a boxing gym that's because he actually wanted to help them.Those kids were old enough to be on the corners.
@@rouskeycarpel8652 Also, Avon was smart enough to recognize that the game ain't for everybody. You had to be hard to survive. Why not have something else for a kid of no means to do?
You can tell in Avon's expression when he told Slim Cutty's "a man today" after he walked out of the game that he was somewhat envious of his courage to venture out into a more legitimate unknown.
It’s been hinted at a few times that Avon does indeed think about a life outside of the game, mostly whenever he’s talking to Cutty. He was stunned when Cutty decided to leave the game. Like watching someone like Bubbles who was an addict for 90% of the show finally get clean, it’s something you wouldn’t expect. Deep down, Avon knew he would eventually become Cutty: An OG who has done his
time and leads a quiet and normal life which he secretly wants it, but he isn’t sure how to deal with it, hence why he said,” But you ain’t done shit else.” He wanted genuinely wanted to know how someone could leave the game.
There's also the fact that he himself was a boxer. I think he even won the Golden Gloves but I'm not sure.
Avon was a righteous King.
+David White In 'the game', relatively speaking...he was. You could see in the atmosphere of the streets when he was in charge. There was life and things were brighter, even though they were in the illegal drug trade. When Marlo came in, it got dark and cold in the streets.
mikem987 Agreed. Marlo was the representation of the new breed. Ruthless in nature.
mikem987 Also notice how most of the Stanfield organization was filmed at night. They literally were dark. Barksdale had a daylight reign more or less.
+David White (Troll Destroyer) At night or in the daytime in the cold.
oRuTRa45 Both actually.
$10,000 is nothing for Avon and Slim. They have respect for Cutty work he put in for them.
jessesam they gave 15 I think that shows plenty that they weren't worried about 10 thousand lol
jessesam Why?? If Avon gave Cutty twice what he asked for, then you’d say that Avon was arrogant. And frankly, Cutty probably wouldn’t accept that amount. It would’ve made Cutty suspicious as to why Avon would do that....making Cutty think that Avon had an ulterior motive.
When Cutty told Avon he was done. Slim said to Avon "He was a man in his day....and Avon said he a man now. All round respect for Cutty and for his decision to figure out the next.....and then scenes later put money in Cutty hand to do something else. Avon was my favorite character
This scene alone shows the difference between Avon and Marlo. Avon was never a punk
That's why Marlo's reign was so short.
That in itself is evident when had it not been for police interference, Avon was going to personally oversee the Stanfield organization's (violent) demise.
To Marlos defense, the police where already follow on wires and technology from the start of his reign forward, with avon it took time
Marlo got results. Cops only got Marlo because they cheated.
@Maurice Hawkins absolutely💯💯💯💯 another way to look at it Marlo got respect because of fear but Avon was feared out of respect that's why in the end the one thing Marlo truly wanted was his name to be remembered in the streets but instead Avon's will & Marlo's was forgotten
Avon is up there with Tony Soprano in terms of multi-dimensional, empathetic villains.
Avon took way better care of his people
+eltubster14 Tony was a frekkin horrible boss
Avon sold out Stringer but you could say that that was justified, stringer doing alotta sidebusiness, had D killed etc etc
Tony was more pure evil, killed more for convienience, killed family, and beat up people just to assert himself, that poor bartender LoL
+Yeah Bee you seem to forget Stringer snitched to the cops to get Avon locked back up. People hate that String got clapped out but in reality he got what he deserved.
+eltubster14 Tony Soprano was fucking horrible. He's the reason why karma doesn't exist.
+eltubster14 Tony, as much as a like the character, was a prick. He was only "good" so long as circumstances allowed him to be. But at the end of the day when he was cornered he was like an animal.
Avon on the other hand, had little muscle left, losing territory and power to Marlo, and STILL he had the decency to understand Cutty and his reasoning for wanting out. Despite circumstances being against him he still stood tall.
The look Charles and Avon give each other before laughing always makes me laugh. Amazing acting!
This show is DEFINITELY the record holder for number of great characters.
Seriously, i don't think there is ONE character on this program that doesn't hold your attention.
ziggy
@@tookiezzz2898 I mean I hated Ziggy as much as anyone else but, he def still held your attention lol
@@grantd7545 Ziggy was annoying but he was still well written.
Ziggy was annoying at times but he was well written and it made sense given how his arc turned out. Scott Templeton though...
Herc
Slim Charles is a master of reading people and situations. He always makes an educated, reactive response when dealing with his people. Notice he waited for Avon's reaction to the $10k before giving his own input.
100% one of the best characters in the show!
What you say about Slim is true, but I think he was already on the same page as Avon in terms of knowing 10k was chump change
@@ChibbykinsYes, but he had enough respect to not react with a laugh until Avon himself did
Slim was the smartest person on the show no doubt
the difference between marlo and avon : avon doesnt want no credits for doing good things like this for young kids, while marlo wanted to make sure everybody knows where the money came from when monk gave it to the kids for schoolclothes
Josh Homme Marlo would have put cutty in one of those empty buildings lol
Josh Homme Hell of a call. Never realized that. So true. The many things you discover rewatching The Wire
Cherry Waves Avon pested his own community with drugs. He's not a hero
You need to realize, Avon been in that neighborhood for years. Everyone new him. Marlo is coming in to take over. He has to get his name out AND eliminate the top dog. The real question is - how did Avon act when he was in Marlo's position (i.e. building his rep)?
Laurence A Good question? Not sure how Avon took over, but he most likely did it by force. Or maybe not, because he was a legacy dealer. His family was already established in that area as the kingpins. He just stepped into his position when he was of age. The same way his nephew was supposed to.
One of the many great things about Cutty's 3rd Season story line is how much it humanized Avon Barksdale.
He was right after all when he said he bleeds red. Within that violent, intimidating gangster beat a real heart. It just got smothered by everything else in his life and only Cutty was able to breathe some life into it.
I love that some of that money went back into the community that was arguably being destroyed by those activities before Avon met his fate. Cutty asked him just in time, lol. Before the barksdale empire fell, it planted the seed for those kids to do something other than being on the corner. Unfortnately... you can't save em all, but hey that's season 4.
JimmySteller well I think that was one of the (many) messages and ideas of the show. Few people are that "black and white" when it comes to their personalities, character, motivations etc.
It brings to mind a conversation I had years ago with my father, where I tried (and failed) to get him to see that a good friend of mine who was dealing hard drugs was still a decent guy. Not too many people are simply "good" or "evil", we all have lots of different sides. And shit, once you truly understand somebody's motivations for their behavior, nobody is that two-dimensional.
+Collin Holdfield You should read aSoIaF if you haven't already.
A Song of Ice and Fire?....
+Collin Holdfield yup
I had so much respect for Cutty because he truly repented, the way he told Avon "The game aint in me no more" Cutty was puzzled about going back but then he was just like that aint me no more. Cutty was a great character in the Wire
jonathan fanfan Cutty's a standout in a show full of great characters...it's a testament to what a good job Chad Coleman did with the character.
***** 80% of prisoners dont rehabilitate they become worse & more hardened than they use to. In Norway only 20% of prisoners become repeat offenders because in Norway they do everything to rehabilitate the prisoners. while in America its 80% because the system is more about retribution than rehabilitation & redemption.
jonathan fanfan
Truth, and we jail far more than we need in America while private prison companies sweep in the profits. And of course the whole system is viciously rigged against people of color, especially young men. The penal system in this country and the war on drugs (which is really a war on poverty) that feeds it are far greater problems than any drugs, any dealers, or any gangs.
***** THERE IS NO WAR ON DRUGS. since the 70s vietnam war some CIA members been involved in drug trafficking. 1980s it was cocaine then now Afghanistan opium
Exactly there is no war on Drugs they just manage it,it's all big Business to keep them Rich n us poor sure a few Salmon Make it up stream but we all know what happens to most of em!
I love how in season 5 when Cutty's gym is really up and running, there's a picture of Avon on the wall in the "Gold Circle Club"
Wood Harris steals every scene he’s in. Never understood why Avon wasn’t a more popular character
I mean he was literally the second most important character on the show
Him and Idris in this show was legendary
Second only to Frank Sobotka.
Mainly because Avon is shown a "mostly dumb and egotistical" in the first season, while Stringer is posed as the "calm and composed one" leaving us to believe that Stringer shouldve been the boss. But first season IS the breaking point for barksdale org, up until now they were unreachable.
Avon is the guy you want as a leader when the org is growing : full of energy, of respect and knowing when to hit and when to hide. While Stringer is the guy you need in peace time, towering his subject and acting safekeeper. It's only after S2 that you see stringer becoming manipulative against Avon : when the org was in full power, both their agenda were sustainable (Corners were held AND Stringer was legitimizing already) at the same time, but after that there was a conflict over the direction to take because funds were limited and they had pressure from the cops.
Avon post S1 is shown as having his priorities set straight (he needs corners to have money to give to his friends) while stringer is becoming a BBEG seeing only his interests. sure they both turn against each other (during the reminescing conversation) but ultimately neither would have done so if they could return to power (they would just keep in touch from distant worlds).
but Stringer fail to integrate in the proper society and Avon is shut down before he could rise again.
@@Carmine_Lupertazzithey should re-elect him
Notice the difference between Marlo and Avon. Avon clearly saying he does want his name and face posted on a wall. Heck even in season one they had a hard time identifying him. Marlo on the other gives kids money to make his name ring out. Avon's way was better.
+Jay Reffner Yeah, but who won.
+fuloran1 Avon is still king, Marlo got booted out the game by the police and was forgotten about. Yea Avon is locked up, but he still has his name and rep unlike Marlo
Huh, never thought of it that way. Avon is one smart dude.
+fuloran1 no doubt💯
+Jay Reffner Marlo got no Respeck on his name
This is why avon is one of my favourite characters, he always showed respect to his people even after cutty left the gangster lifestyle
Actually, he respected him even more for being man enough to walk out and venture into the unknown.
Recognise the name from talked about generals . Cool to see someone who is both a history buff and rates wire
I'll never forget that scene straight classic!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Avon had a "King" personality. He could surprise you at time with a noble, loyal side. He DUG Cutty....With Slim there, it was a supportive environment for Cutty, at that moment...
The writers understood the psychology of a guy like that.
1:57 the look on cutty's face when avon said give him 15k. lol. so surprised.
And the way he looked up at slim as he stood up to go get the money like Avon told him to. Lol
Wee-Bey's respect for Cutty
"...talking about a homie walked up and shot Elijah Davis, broad daylight, at Pensy and Gold, then picked up the phone, dialed 911, told the police 'i just shot a ******, come get him. That dude aint breakin'"
(cheers to Layman for the edit)
that's Wee Bey's quote!
Not gonna lie, I laughed too. I remember earlier about a conversation on how Avon was making at least 25 million dollars a year from his organization, so giving 10,000 dollars was like giving $5 to a beggar to Avon.
Or him having stringer open the safe with $150k in it to avoid damaging the safe, because that must’ve been one expensive ass safe.
My favourite bit is that Avon is clearly interested the whole time - remember his love of boxing they menioned in season 1
+agenttheater5 Stringer would have been daydreaming about how much tax he could charge him along with interest fees during that conversation...
+LouLou3t Avon bleeds red, Stringer bled green man.
Nah I don't remember. What was mentioned?
T100
That was the ONE photo anyone had of him, a poster from his days as a golden gloves boxer
Oh yeah now I recall. Thanks. My favourite aspect of this, is about how low key Avon is about his achievements. Winning Golden Gloves is really hard and the start of a pro career. A life achievement. Like taking part in the Olympics. But he's chill about it and doesn't even offer his advice.
This was a Key moment that showed who Avon really was and why he was in The King’s position, despite what eventually happens later, Avon despite being a career criminal, understood the value of giving back without getting any credit or recognition for it.
Sort of tragic that the hard work the unit put into taking Avon down paved the way for someone infinitely worse to take over. Avon had a code and his own sort of dedication to the community. Marlo had neither.
+Crymson84 The grass isnt always greener on the other side of the fence...you are right...
***** Sadly, yes, though much of that came of terrible decisions by the government. Disenfranchising the Baathist elite and releasing the entire military created PERFECT conditions for an insurgency.
It just goes to show you that Avon was the Lesser evil of the show 😏
kinda like Hip Hop of the early days was versus the Now
@@MrNusouth Facts, I recognized that as well.
goddamn it, this show was brilliant
About as close to real life as it can get...
president camacho Thats a nice reverse compliment you just did there...LoL...I always liked the dialogue in the wire it seems how most normal people would talk, not hype it for ratings by using cheesy lines...The conversations just seem authentic...
president camacho I dont think there was nothing Shakespearean about this scene it just seem like a genuine conversation about a loan that a couple of guys from the hood would have and used slang that could be considered normal or in terms where any viewer could understand what they meant, even the most educated but at times most of The Wire conversations and situations are very down to earth or understandable. I get where you coming from tho its all good...
I blame Wood Harris
please don't disrespect God's name like that please!
So much mutual respect in this scene. Cutty comes in with the pitch, Avon brushes him off and then goes above and beyond. All after Cutty has accomplished the seemingly impossible task of leaving the organization with his reputation intact...
This is why you give notice and dont burn bridges, kids.
Could you imagine someone in a similar situation asking Marlo for cash? He probably would have had them killed. Seriously
Slim's reaction was so priceless, he looked and stopped....................LMAO! But Cutty was the man, he wanted so bad to do something GOOD for a change. That was admirable.
For those who dnt know, Cutty smoked a dude in daylight in front of witnesses and then called 911 to say he did it, took 14 years and never snitched on the gang.
''You know I don't want my fucking name and face on no damn wall, you crazy nigga''
That line is the main difference between Avon and Marlo. That line is the complete opposite of what Marlo is about.
+FieLdHouZ "My name is my name"
+FieLdHouZ Nah Avon cared about his name ringing out on the street and holding weight in the street and in Prison he just didn't want his name and Photo on a wall
There is still people who have not found the wire, this is my show, the one I talk about all the time, in the pubs, in work, best thing ever made
Best show I ever watched.
Avon was a real dude. His smile and demeanor was so genuine when he gave Cutty the money... Rarity nowadays.
The original rumble tumble nigga- Slim Charles
Loyal, honest. One of great, well crafted supporting characters.
he knows about the cranium shot
He was the man back in the day
Avon: He a man now...he a man now
Avon always respected cutty even when he didn’t want to be in the game anymore.
Avon respected him, when he went to speak to him when cutty was bout to get out, he saw the Joint broke him and knew he was tryna better himself. Avon had a heart.
The next time you guys watch season five look at the gym wall when Dookie goes to Cutty for training. He ended up putting Avons golden gloves picture on the wall.
Once Avon got locked up,it made sense that he would put his picture up
Yeah i notice that easter egg too lol
Cutty was such a great guy - he took care of the kids and their mothers
I know he did his share of dirt... but Avon was a good dude... in the sense that he looked out after his peoples.
First time I saw this, I thought Avon was laughing at the thought of giving him money, but he was laughing at the effort he put in for what Avon felt was so little. Mad respect between those two.
Having Avon as a boss would be top tier bro is reasonable and his morals are in tact
He Gave him the cash and it was for a good and no strings attached...
well was he going to give him a check? or drugs? dont know why avon said give him 15k cash..what were the other options he could have given him 15k?
Mike valenzula I need $10,000 worth of prostitutes to open up my boxing gym.
Avon knew Cutty was honorable. He wouldn't have given it to anyone else. Cutty proved he was a man of his word
When they were in Jessup, Avon knew he wasn't cut out for the streets anymore, but he still provided a lane if ever he changed his mind. The fact that Cutty found something that he could do, Avon rewarded him for being humble and true to what he is willing to do. Avon showed great character and didn't hold it over his head that he could no longer use him in the streets.
Marlo wanted the youngins to have fun bustin heads avon wanted them to have fun doin extracurricular activities like boxing. he was a real leader. held basketball games and everything. he took care of the community. family man and business man
Just cant help comparing this incident with the Sopranos. While Avon presumably gave the money free to Cutty, Tony Soprano wud have loaned only the exact 10k with an interest of 1 point which he did to Arty who was one of his close childhood friends.
Marlo woulda put his ass up in a vacant......
This scene shows the difference between people like Slim and Avon, and people like Marlo. It sounds fucking insane to say that murderers like Avon, Slim or Wee-Bey had any love in their hearts, but when given a chance (like here) they really did. As Paris said about wannabe gangsters who think their violence makes them respectable, "Ain't no love in them cold-hearted stares." Avon's crew killed citizens (in EPISODE ONE), but they were still so much better than Marlo's crew.
Mkc N No I don't, I think Obama is a war criminal and would be charged with war crimes if international law wasn't just a hypocritical evil charade. My point was just that there are still varying degrees of evil, but I totally agree with you that the US government has no right to condemn gangsters (or drug dealers lol) as they are one and the same.
Avon might have seemed like he was heartless but he really wasn't. If you look at it, every body (showed in the story) that was dropped by Barksdale Crew, was in the name of business to the game. Marlo on the other hand, killed for whatever sick reason he wanted showing no kind of remorse nor empathy towards human kind.
Marlo and Avon were at to completely different points in their lives, so of course they'd act differently.
Time is unknown, but Avon/Stringer had already taken over the Towers, the low rises, and seemingly all the territory worth having in West Baltimore before the show even started. Marlo was basically a corner boy who grew his operation into a nice little crew when he was introduced.
Once Marlo got the crown, and if Chris was able to get out of jail and want to try something else, Marlo would show him that love and let him be on his way
Colonel Hart they killed rats citizens or not
Anant Raman Stringer worse than Marlo no way Stringer never even killed anybody himself he had someone else do it
Avon love the kids!!!!!!!
Slim and Cutty I swear I could watch a show with just them. My favorite characters on an already great cast.
This scene confirmed for me that Avon was a better person than Stringer.
Goes without saying that he's a better person than Marlo.
What you say makes sense, I got the impression he did Cutty this favour out of respect for him though.
Again what you say makes sense but I reckon the fact that Cutty was trying to find a job/purpose in his life after getting out of the game whilst being enthusiastic about a boxing gym was a big part of why Avon gave him the cash.
He didn't want his name on the wall as he didn't want to highlight to the police where his money was going.
Agreed with Bigfoot here. Rob's trying to force the "pragmatic" narrative too hard
Rob M Fighters?? Those young’uns were carrying weapons! Now if Cutty was opening a gun range, maybe you’ve have a better point.
@Rob M Good insight. And when it comes to certain people in the Underwood that's always possible no matter what it looks like at the beginning.
You can see Avon digging deep into his boxing gym Everytime he talks.
this is why i respect avon way more than marlo
the bronze club.. (for mother fuckers who really dont wanna dig that deep)
Not a winning slogan.
***** You were probably just commenting on the quote by wagooairlines, but your funny comment got me thinking--I was saying, "Not a winning slogan", to a cat like Avon. In church, in these tough times, though...plenty who can't and don't wanna dig that deep--hell, yeah, put me down for the Bronze Club...unless, is their a TIn Club?
Nun Ya
damn-that comment still cracks me up months down the line
Nun Ya
theres all sorts of levels..
Cutty was a king amongst men
Top ten scenes all time
Avon's poster did hang in Cutty's gym ever since then. Guess his legacy lives on (although on paper Avon should be out of jail pretty soon after season 5...)
jessesam actually 30 years 5 for the parole violation and another 25 years for various charges and if Daniels made good on his promise to take the conspiracy charge to federal he's never getting out of prison
jessesam daniels promised 10 to life no parole I'm sure he got that too
jessesam stringer snitched so cops would've known where the weapons were gonna be hidden even if Avon and his crew tried hiding them
jessesam they had stringer's statement so they know where he was they know where the weapons were what weapons were there they know how much ammo was there they know where any hiding places to stash the weapons are and they know who the owner is remember when one of his men told the cops all the weapons were his and Daniels asked if he had a law degree? That's because they knew the stuff was Avon's not even levy could save the crew at this point thanks to stringer
jessesam stringer told them everything they knew that Avon would be there thanks to his testimony it also didn't help that Avon was warring with Marlo
Like others have pointed out. Cutty went to churches and the so called “good” people of the community and got nothing. While Avon a gang banger and drug dealer immediately gave more then was asked and was happy to do it.
Hahaha you go through all that for 10k
see u go thru all that for 10k
Easily one of my fav scenes. King Avon
Wow 4 years I commented and am back again ha
The coolest part about this scene to me is that it is a call back to season 1 when Freeman figured out who Avon was because his name and picture was on the wall of a boxing gym. Avon didn't want that here specifically to keep from being caught, when it actually had already lead to his arrest.
Slim thinks whatever Avon thinks. Slim Avons new right hand
Subtle thing The Wire director's always do: any scene Slim Charles is in, it always cuts to him 2-3 times for a reaction shot. It breathes life into the scene and fleshes him out; he's always thoughtful, loyal, but thinking things over. Brilliant how they use him to add small texture and flavor.
Good point. Slim Charles is ever present, in the b.g.
sometimes, but a subtle guiding hand.
Nicely said. He's the best character from the show
Good eye, I never noticed that!
another difference between avon and marlo. avon was willingly to at least somewhat contribute to his community and he'll be remembered for at least one positive thing with his face on the gym wall. marlo won't be remembered for shit.
Lumumba You forgot about the yearly Eastside/Westside basketball tournaments, and the community dinners that Avon sponsored. I think that’s where we meet D’angelo’s girlfriend, Donette, and their baby. It’s in the first episode, I think.
Idk, Marlo was giving out straight cash money to the kids in his neighborhood. Granted, it was just to build his own clout, but he still wanted that image of being necessary to the community like Avon had.
1:58, the look on your face when you ask for a girls number(when you think she's going to reject you) and she gives you her number.
2pac when we ride on our enemies playing in backround :)
Avon helping out the youth.Its almost as if he sees himself,and the path he could have taken in life,and wants to see some young boxers strive to be the best.Even though he is trapped in the game,he has hope for people.
As cold as Avon was at times he was still ready to throw in 15k to help them kids out.
You're an idiot. String was cold, Avon ran hot
all dat for 10 tousand??
Nice to see that Avon’s picture is posted in cutty’s gym even though it’s not what he wanted. He in jail but he ain’t forgotten outside
Damn, Cutty looks legit hurt/heartbroken when Avon and Slim start laughing. They're his last hope and he thinks he's being mocked for asking so much, but in reality it's the opposite. Cutty has their respect, they know he means well for the kids, so him being meek and humble wasn't necessary. He could've walked in and said, "Hey I want to build a gym for the kids so they stay off the streets, I need 25". Slim and Avon would've just nodded and said, "aight".
Cutty's Character was so important for the show. He never gave up on his dream to run a boxing gym, and help his community. He may have did some street shit, but every man is gonna do what he has to do, until he is doing what he wants to do.
That’s wat u call real friends they respect he ain’t the same but still love him 💯
Avon also respected the fact that cutty did 14yrs stayed solid and never folded he knew cutty wasn’t same but still a solid dude just tryna change his life this
@@smoothshot8925 cutty grew up he seen all those kids was dying chasing that fake Scarface dream competing trying to be the biggest drug dealer but in reality they was just setting they self up for failure 😞 cutty seen that so the boxing 🥊 was to show them it’s other ways to make it out the hood rich other than drug dealing 💯
arguably the most wholesome scene in the entire series
Yo yo yo. You guys got to appreciate the Cutty acting skills man. I really think he’s under appreciated as an actor. Focus on his subtle facial expressions which fell so damn much and are so believable. Here, when Avon say about the 15k and when he asks Bodie about his brother James and Bodie tells him he been dead.
Avon sayin take care of the little guys man, Cutty heard take care of the little guys moms man🤣
This scene brought a tear to my eye when I first saw it.
Avon really contemplating his way of life after Dee died.
D's death would do that to anybody, family or not. Rest in peace my lad
One of the most wholesome moments in The Wire. Avon the true king
I cant help but respect a tough guy who shows respect and humility.
Avon truly was the King.
I like to think that when Avon breathes his last breath, this is the moment that makes him smile.
One of the best scenes of the entire series...
Funny shit Avon and slim just looked at each other all that for a bullshit 10g's lol
jessesam - cause by this time he had gotten out of the game and was trying to do this gym thing. And remember he came back to work for Avon before giving it up. So he didn't know how Avon would react to him asking for the money
LOL Still one of the best and funniest scenes ever in this show lol.
Avon a real one for that
Great bait and switch making the audience and Cutty thinking Avon was going to snub him, just to give him 5k more than he asked. Easily one of my favorite scenes.
I loved this scene. Avon, despite his horrible deeds, had a heart underneath it all. You at least knew where you stood with Avon.