Here's my theory. The TVA, right... is Kangs work yes? BUT what if... that the TVA is just his kingdom in the quantum realm but faaaar far far in the future. Cause it's obvious that later he would want to change name and be The One Who Remains to distance himself from the history of Kang down there and eventually erase the memory of himself Then create the lie about the time keepers and stuff. Cause we even saw a really close resemblance of the timestream how it was at the End of Time where The One Who Remains is. Only not so refined. Aaaand time works differently in the quantum realm. So even in the TVA they could come up with a way of making the Infinity Stones useless i guess. And it kinda looks similar. And yes i thought about aaall the aliens species down there. Well..Kang won and destroyed eeeeverything and then used his tec to pull people from the timeline to work there for him, erasing their memories and giving them a new purpose, not knowing there used to be people and creatures down there. Oh and we even saw a really early design of the time portal in Quantumania, where they just use it to get back home. I mean Tony made the Timespace GPS and with the tec from Langs daughter. They could go in and out of time as much as they want and come back to the quantum realm/TVA where time passes differently. And the Kang from Quantumania, is probably The One Who Remains gone a little nuts from doing the shit for all this time. He says he is older then he looks. Plus he says, see you soon. Like he knows that THIS version of him is gonna end up here anyway. What do you guys think😊
i REALLY like how they....talk in this show. like they arent just walking through the halls all formal they are having silly little conversations and it just makes it feel real
The dialogue is very unhinged…but in a good way. Like it works This and TMNT have that style of dialogue where the things characters say blend into one another in the way that makes it seem like real genuine back and forth and intrusive thoughts and responses being exchanged
The people in the TVA are told time doesn't pass in the TVA, but they're really getting memory wiped multiple times. This is why Casey can't remember how the floor got cracked, and why Mobius doesn't really remember meeting Obie before. However, because Obie has an isolated existence, he hasn't been mind wiped, which is why he can remember his previous meeting with Mobius so clearly and why he can remember interacting with Loki in the past.
I think O.B. may be misremembering Loki as Mobius because it's been so long, because Loki just gave the nickname O.B. Orrr, there's gonna be additional time shenanigans and Mobius will go back even earlier 😂
@@alexkramerblogs Could be wrong, but I'm like 99% sure the idea is Loki was affecting things in the present in "real time" from the past. As in, the device OB made did not exist in the present until Loki asked him to make it in the past
Something to keep in mind; When Loki was timeslipping, he wasn't slipping between three different timelines. He was jumping between three different points on the same timeline, the past, present and future.
General Dox mentioned going to the End of Time to find Sylvie and knowing that she is the reason they are in this mess. Loki never mentioned the End of Time in the War Room, so she knows something. Also Judge Gamble clocked that detail as well.
Also noticed she said "the warnings were real". She definitely knows more than she's letting on. Probably will be a B-plot villain for B-15 or something
Tbh I'm not convinced General Doz is looking for Sylvie. She was the only one against stopping the pruning of timelines. With a loyal army and ALL the pruning devices by the looks of it, I assume she is going out to prune timelines despite what the rest of the TVA says.
I do hope they keepup this. But seeing the history of marvel tv shows, we might have only 1 or 2more good episodes then rest is going to slowly become mediocore as the season 1 became. But still I'm hoping they keep our loki a main character this time, he should be the driving force for the series not sylvie,
Loki season 1 was my favorite MCU series and I think this start to season 2 was Excellent, set design, performances, music, setting, mysteries, cgi, direction, etc. I think that if the season maintains the quality it can become one of my favorite superhero series.
Secret invasion spoilers** Secret Invasion was actually great until the finale. Where it just turned into another CGI fight, they had a villain who was not conceptually wrong but they didn't address the actual issues he had, they just just killed him and ignored that issue
So many people forget that Ke Huy Quan was also Data in The Goonies (which was also Josh Brolin's first role). I think Future Loki was the one to prune himself, which would make sense as to why Sylvie was only surprised to see him in a "we got separated and now I've located you again" kind of way and not a "I haven't seen you in years" kind of way.
When Ke Huy Quan started making the rounds for EEAAO people recognized him once he started talking and searched his name. The ones who don't know never watched Indiana Jones or The Goonies and it's this current generation. Anyone born in the 70's and 80's will remember Ke.
I'm skeptical that there are a lot of people who "forget" that. I think you are encountering people who are either too young to have seen those movies, or have somehow gone through life without seeing them. lol
🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️ 1st, Please don't kill me but I've never seen the show you referred to. Is it a lot like this show? I've heard of it before but it never caught my attention and nobody I know watches it so since you brought it up I decided to ask a fan.
@@kayaleandreaspencer631I would say so. Doctor Who is my favourite show, and I defo was reminded of it regularly through season 1 of Loki, and especially here. There’s a lot of time-based shenanigans in Doctor Who, like the bootstrap paradox etc in this episode. I think another big part for me is being able to travel anywhere using the tempad in Loki (past/future/space) - the TARDIS (the Doctor’s ship) in Doctor Who is the same, enabling each story to be told anywhere/anytime. Each episode is generally its own independent story, but each season has an over-arching plot running alongside which culminates in the finale. It has some fantastic plots, incredible episodes and character moments. The show is kept fresh by having a great way of recasting the main actor every few years - not in a “James Bond” way, but an in-story/lore way. I would maybe recommend trying S1E1 Rose (it does an amazing of introducing the character and the world), S5E1 The Eleventh Hour (basically a fresh start and another good jumping on point) or S3E10 Blink (a sort of standalone story that requires no Who knowledge but I think is universally praised).
@@kayaleandreaspencer631 I wouldn't say Doctor Who is a lot like Loki in terms of plot, but seeing the first episode of this season I though that this feels very much like the former
@@kayaleandreaspencer631 No worries. The Loki series, in my opinion, is reminiscent of the David Tennant and Matt Smith eras of Doctor Who (or the 10th and 11th Doctor). Both shows have their distinctions, but they both involve very eccentric protagonists involved in time travel stories. Definitely give it a shot if you're interested.
Excellent start. Loki, Mobius, and OB have great chemistry! My guess is Sylvie is getting help from someone, who, not sure, but that person definitely pruned Loki and helped him to get back.
Could also have been one of the rogue TVA agents we see who's looking for Sylvie and they pruned Loki because they know they've worked together, unintentionally helping him.
If I had a nickel for every time Ke Huy Quan was involved in a multiverse story, I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
So, outside the TVA if you time travel and change something you just create a new timeline, but IN the TVA what you change affects your own future (how timetravel usually works). I think that’s neat.
@@pkmntrainerian1092 They cant remember anything due to the constant mind wipe, thats why all they can remember is that they were already there. Not remembering anything destroys the concept of time for them. While OB's mind hasnt been wiped yet so he can see that time at TVA is linear.
Time must happen differently if they stay the same after so many years, because I don't think He Who Remains would make them immortal, androids or something if he can get more people.
People have been sleeping on the statement from He Who Remains "One devil or infinite" Who cares if the Kang from Quantumania was defeated, there are millions more on the way.
I don't know but the style and movement of the camera, and they're dialogue, especially when they were with OB, felt a lot like a Wes Anderson style of film making. And Owen Wilson being there makes it even more so 😂 Makes me think that Wes Anderson should consider including Ke Huy Quan in one of his future films, he will fit just fine.
"You can try our new Chicken McNuggets". Hard to believe there was a time not long ago when McNuggets weren't a thing. Although techically they were only introduced in select markets in 1981, they weren't available worldwide until 1983.
"THAT'S WHO'S COMING BACK!" And just like that Loki did what Ant-Man couldn't: make Kang a THREAT. I hope Tom has a good chiropractor cause he'll need it after carrying post Endgame MCU on his back.
yeah, Quantumania wasnt the best. Actually, I would prefer for it to be just a bad movie. But it was mid. The painful part is it was just boring to watch. All that introduction for Kang, that ultimately we know will be beaten, or at least slowed down in the end is not needed. I would prefer for Quantumania to focus more on Scott and actual heist, instead of being all a tool to introduce Kang. Scott and Cassie didnt do anything new or interesting in this movie. This here, yeah, shows why Kang is such a threat. He can be beaten with an effort, or an army of thousand year old behemot ants, sure, unlike Thanos, who couldnt be just 'beaten'. The problem is, there are infinite versions of him coming back each time you take him down.
@@roxtechs That movie should not even exist. They really think people like that quantum bs, but they don't. Instead the movie should have been Antman and wasp being sent to investigate the source of incursions, but the MCU brass just sticks to what is safe and now it's not even safe, they're gonna start losing money if they keep this trend of releasing junk movies.
Damn, this was an awesome season premiere. O.B. has already become my favorite character. The Temporal Loom kinda reminds me of the Great Clock from Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time. Both are massive devices meant to properly keep the flow of time, and if they break down, the damage will be cataclysmic.
Your confusion about Casey and the time lapse doesn't take into account the fact that Casey was there when the crack happened, but in the "present" he said it was "before his time". They already addressed the mind wipe issue, so there were at least two incarnations of the TVA (probably a lot more), and an undermined amount of time in between. It could be along the 400 years O.B. mentioned. Of course, it's all relative in the TVA, anyway. :)
I just started watching this show a week ago, finally finishing it. The anxiety i felt during S1E6 to S2E1, the way Loki was freaking out and Kang being referred to as a Devil. It was actually scary and AMAZING
Wonderful first episode. The way that Spider-people begin glitching in Sony's Spider-Verse animated flicks when they are in the wrong realms is similar to how Loki's time-slipping works. When Loki jumps from a TVA window, what color mail truck is he landing on before he does so? Was a reference to a scene where Milla Jovovich's Leelo does the same thing and enters Bruce Willis' yellow flying taxicab in Luc Besson's bizarre science fiction thriller The Fifth Element. After the credits, Sylvie runs away to 1982 Broxton, Oklahoma. Compared to Norway as it is in the MCU, the real-world town served as New Asgard in the comics when Ragnarok destroyed Thor's home planet. So it's a wonderful nod to Marvel Comics canon that a (adoptive) Asgardian ended up residing there in the first place. Who Is Calling? "Who Pruned Loki? I believe Sylvie was trying to call Loki while she was on the phone. Additionally, according to my idea, Loki was pruned by Loki in the past. Comics-savvy viewers have speculated whether the MCU would explore Ravonna's love triangle with Kang ever since her Loki season 1 appearance. A tape of He Who Remains praising a Renslayer for her remarkable talents that Loki finds serves as the first important proof that this is actually the truth. A well-known Loki theory from Avengers: Secret Wars predicts that the God of Mischief will soon be able to fix the multiverse. As a potent act of atonement, Loki's decision to take leadership of the TVA during the Secret Wars has the potential to transform him into a hero. To ensure that versions of He Who Remains (like Kang) wouldn't exist, however, this would go beyond maintaining the original Sacred Timeline.
I like how the “flattop” towards the end of the episode, starts to doubt what is right and wrong and at the beginning he was a true believer. That is smart writing.
love how this one episode changed what we thought about MCU time travel. we thought Stark/Lang stumbled cross time travel when really they discovered multiversal time travel which are clearly 2 different things... loving where this will lead us to... back to the meat of the multiversal saga
I was not high enough for something this confusing haha. But I loved that concept of changing something in the past affecting the present! That scene was so cool!
Dont forget, that OB also hadnt heard the nickname for himself - "ob" until LOKI heard it in the present, and gave it to him in the past. And The fact that Mobius MAY have remembered the detail of seeing him once, 400 years ago, but its so far back he didnt remember if OB had other assistants, or anything else, proves that at maximum, he hasnt been 'mind wiped' for 400 years, possibly.
Ouroboros is the name of the snake from Greek mythology that encircles the world and bites its own tail, constantly devouring itself. (Similar to the Midgard-Snake from Norse mythology that encircled the world.) So yes, another reference to the time loop.
I loved this episode! Everything about it felt so perfect. Every scene and moment was fantastic! I thought that the writing was incredible, the acting was amazing, and the tone was perfect. All throughout this episode I was curious about what was going to happen next and it just had me on the edge of my seat throughout the entire episode. And I was amazed at just how incredible the music for this episode was, I’m so glad that they brought Natalie Holt back to do this show’s score. And each actor was giving a fantastic performance and I felt like they were all doing an amazing job for these characters. They all felt like they were fully dedicate and invested to their character and their role. And I loved the set design for this episode, I always really liked the style of the sets this show used especially in the TVA, so getting to see it again through new and previously visited locations in the TVA was so great to me. I also thought that the visuals were fantastic, especially the Time Slipping and all of the moments of Mobius in the temporal loom. With its vibrant colors and the way it cast light on everything looked so beautiful. And I really liked the detail of how the temporal energy was slowly burning up portions of Mobius’ suit. And the Time Slipping effect was so graphic and horrific looking it really sold me on how painful and disturbing it must have been. I was so glad to get to jump back into this show. It was amazing to get to see the events following the season one finale. I thought this did an amazing job at bringing us back into this shows story and it had me fully invested with the first couple minutes. I can’t wait to learn and watch more about this shows plot as it unfolds, from just this episode I think it’s going to be amazing. And I loved getting to see and be reintroduced to all of this shows beloved characters like Loki, Mobius, B-15, and even Casey. I can’t wait to get to see more of them as the season progresses. Now I’ve got to talk about Ke Huy Quan as Ouroboros/O.B. I think he did a fantastic job! From just his first scene I already loved everything about him. I feel like he has so much potential and there are just so many places they can go and so many things they can do with this character and there is so much we still have to learn about him and I can’t wait for it. I think that Ke Huy Quan was giving an excellent performance and he has completely sold me on his character and I really cannot wait to see him throughout the rest of this season. And another thing I really enjoyed about this episode was how strong the relationship between Loki and Mobius was. I think they did such an amazing job at bringing us back into the friendship between these two characters. You could especially feel it during the scene where Mobius refuses to leave the temporal loon so that he can be there when Loki gets back, despite the fact it could kill him. And when they first reunited at the start of this episode, it was so heartwarming to see the two of them reembrace each other with a hug. Also I loved how big of threat they built up Kang to be throughout this episode. I can’t wait to see where the end of this episode will lead into next week’s episode. I am very curious to see how this episodes events will lead into next week’s episode and how it will impact the future of this show and its continuing story. I am really loving everything about this new season so far and I can’t wait to see where this story and all the characters involved will go next. I cannot wait for next week’s episode.
I dont usually like the handheld cam bc of the shakiness effect, but in here it was so well done it felt like you were part of it like you are in the TVA following Loki. The practical sets and long shots probably also help with that feeling of 'being' there. This is the best episode 1 of any MCU shows so far, a close 2nd is Loki S1. I like the approach in this whole series so far, it feels like a 7-hour long movie bc every episode of this show (so far) directly follows what happened in the end of the last episode.
Good first episode! Loki being like Magina from D.O.T.A., blinking in and out the T.V.A.'s past, present, & future - anyway, great reaction & discussion from the Wave Crew! Looking forward to a great Season 2 for the God of Mischief! 🔥🔥🔥 Anyone notice the door to the Temporal Room looked like the door to the Danger Room in X-Men? 🤔🤔🤔
"Time doesn't pass, but experiences still happen." Basically how time works in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels when characters are in Death's Domain or in the stable time loop of the "one perfect days that repeats" in the monastery of the History Monks. Stuff can happen with events following each other (although sometimes time can also run backwards). People form memories, but people don't physically grow older.
To quote Bender “WE’RE BACK BABY”! This 1 episode has some of the best use of time travel/glitching moments of all time. The way that Loki, Mobius and OB were all able to have a 3 way conversation across 2 different points in time blew my mind WHILE also making die laughing. Not to mention the absolutely perfect building of tension in the last 10 minutes, I felt like I was watching a Christopher Nolan movie. And Ke Huy Quan is absolutely PERFECT as OB, hiring him for Loki is one of the best decisions Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios has ever made, and just like Owen Wilson he must be protected at all costs. Also Loki time slipping looks absolutely painful. Like he’s been thrown into a taffy puller and is being ripped apart while turned inside out.
They mentioned spaghettification, which is what would happen near the even horizon of supermassive black holes. I think that's what they were going for with those visuals. I think the implication is that the TVA is located inside one of these black holes, which is why it's outside the normal flow of time, as time would behave very differently inside a black hole.
The end credits for quantumania kind of implied that the version of kang ant man defeated was the equivalent of cannon fodder which I thought added something
@@SorchaSublime What I got from the credits was that it took all those other Kangs to defeat the one in the quantum realm. Only now that he's not a threat they can go on a rampage.
If OBIE could really remember Loki in a new change in the past it's because literally. What I explained in the first season, Miss Minutes, is that when you make a change in the lines fixed in time, it does not affect the future of whoever creates it at all. But that may not have happened in Marvel's current lineup during the Infinity Saga, when Kang was in a position to command the TVA.
Probably my favourite season premiere for an MCU show. It did everything it needed to for a sequel season too - pick up right from where we left off, introduce new threats, characters etc. and was really funny and exciting all the way through. It's a hard balance, but it got it right.
@@hellfish2309really, I thought it was kinda ugly, I get that’s it’s supposed to but it’s some ps3 graphics for sure, it’s just harder to pick up on because it’s so fast and they shot on film it looks like
@@cl4-tpgaming if its hard to pick up doesnt that mean its good? since its not noticeable in action, and please dont use the still or 'its bad if you pause it' argument thats bs you can do that in every other movie ever to make it look like its bad. and also please stop it on 'it looks like ps3' bc its not and even you dont really believe that but just cant point out something that is actually bad.
Last year, we had Xenoblade Chronicles 3 which featured a game mechanic called Ouroboros. Not long after, Cobra Kai Season 5, Episode 6 was given that word as its’ title. Now we have a character with that name, or O.B. for short. Ke Huy Quan is always a win. I’m excited for next week’s episode. We still don’t know where Ravonna is, B-15 and Mobius remember and aside with Loki which is a very good thing, and in more ways than one Sylvie is finally getting a taste of freedom. She better conjure up cash though.
Adore all the practical sets, does wonders for the very Analog 1970s retro futuristic set designs for the TVA and just looks amazing. Crazy looking behind the scenes and seeing that all these rooms in the TVA are pretty much practical sets minus the background of course. It's like the Andor of the MCU for me just has it's own overall tone and feel and doesn't really feel like your typical MCU project, more of these please Marvel.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog Yes. It is. Like i said, its an easter egg, which means that its simply referring to something intentionally and not actually being that object or entity.
I just wanna point out that I live in Oklahoma and the town listed is only 4 hrs away from me. That being said, that was the most southern Oklahoma accent I've ever heard.
I think the person that pruned Loki was Loki but his future self, and Sylvie was actually talking to the one pruning him and not to the one being pruned, it would make sense I mean he'd know where to find himself and know he needed to be pruned
Man so far ive been absolutely loving the new cinematography, i cant explain it but it feels very different from other marvel shows and it has me more engaged
My Theory, The Person That Pruned Loki, was a Future Loki, like when the show moves forward, we get to the Point from episode 1 and Future Loki has to Pruned His Past Seld To Get Him To Where He Is Now.
I think the TVA is in the quantum realm, time passes very differently there. Also the buildings we are shown looks a lot like how an Ants nest is laid out.
I don't know exactly what happened but I'm really interested to find out which I wanted to feel watching this show,it's so good to see Loki and Mobius again together :)
This may be a stretch but what if this is the "last" episode and the final episode ties back to this one. Ouroboros is infinity. There is no end and no beginning. Maybe Kang is the one who pruned Loki to keep him in a time loop and future Sylvie was looking for him to stop it from happening.
Hearing you guys talk about time travel this much makes me really want to see you guys react to Primeval, the British TV series that involves some cool time travel.
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you guys did this and skip Netflix One Piece ? understandable but its so good .
Here's my theory.
The TVA, right... is Kangs work yes?
BUT what if... that the TVA is just his kingdom in the quantum realm but faaaar far far in the future.
Cause it's obvious that later he would want to change name and be The One Who Remains to distance himself from the history of Kang down there and eventually erase the memory of himself
Then create the lie about the time keepers and stuff.
Cause we even saw a really close resemblance of the timestream how it was at the End of Time where The One Who Remains is. Only not so refined.
Aaaand time works differently in the quantum realm. So even in the TVA they could come up with a way of making the Infinity Stones useless i guess.
And it kinda looks similar.
And yes i thought about aaall the aliens species down there.
Well..Kang won and destroyed eeeeverything and then used his tec to pull people from the timeline to work there for him, erasing their memories and giving them a new purpose, not knowing there used to be people and creatures down there.
Oh and we even saw a really early design of the time portal in Quantumania, where they just use it to get back home.
I mean Tony made the Timespace GPS and with the tec from Langs daughter. They could go in and out of time as much as they want and come back to the quantum realm/TVA where time passes differently.
And the Kang from Quantumania, is probably The One Who Remains gone a little nuts from doing the shit for all this time. He says he is older then he looks.
Plus he says, see you soon. Like he knows that THIS version of him is gonna end up here anyway.
What do you guys think😊
@@shafiqaizat4343 One Piece of what?
Can't watch. Says video unavailable.
i REALLY like how they....talk in this show. like they arent just walking through the halls all formal they are having silly little conversations and it just makes it feel real
The dialogue is very unhinged…but in a good way. Like it works
This and TMNT have that style of dialogue where the things characters say blend into one another in the way that makes it seem like real genuine back and forth and intrusive thoughts and responses being exchanged
@ThaRealOne436 exactly. The dialogue feels real and that helps with suspension of disbelief
Yup definitely when you compare it to a show like Ahsoka where the characters don't talk at all
Doctor Who coded
I think it's called acting
The people in the TVA are told time doesn't pass in the TVA, but they're really getting memory wiped multiple times. This is why Casey can't remember how the floor got cracked, and why Mobius doesn't really remember meeting Obie before. However, because Obie has an isolated existence, he hasn't been mind wiped, which is why he can remember his previous meeting with Mobius so clearly and why he can remember interacting with Loki in the past.
I think O.B. may be misremembering Loki as Mobius because it's been so long, because Loki just gave the nickname O.B.
Orrr, there's gonna be additional time shenanigans and Mobius will go back even earlier 😂
@@alexkramerblogs Could be wrong, but I'm like 99% sure the idea is Loki was affecting things in the present in "real time" from the past. As in, the device OB made did not exist in the present until Loki asked him to make it in the past
Incredible 🟢🟡
I like to think Kang just forgot O.B. was down there.
Bro Mobius dies in episode 6 I just watched it.
Something to keep in mind; When Loki was timeslipping, he wasn't slipping between three different timelines. He was jumping between three different points on the same timeline, the past, present and future.
People should know this but thank you for explaining for those who get confused easily
fr with how often the use seconds to show you that with cracks and SKIN?@@charlietheturdil8632
@@charlietheturdil8632I sense some disrespect against my people!
General Dox mentioned going to the End of Time to find Sylvie and knowing that she is the reason they are in this mess. Loki never mentioned the End of Time in the War Room, so she knows something. Also Judge Gamble clocked that detail as well.
Also noticed she said "the warnings were real". She definitely knows more than she's letting on. Probably will be a B-plot villain for B-15 or something
What if she the future sylvie lol
Except Sylvie no longer is at the End of Time. She left.
@@TF2CrunchyFrogFact that she even knew is interesting. What else might she know? What else is she hiding?
Tbh I'm not convinced General Doz is looking for Sylvie. She was the only one against stopping the pruning of timelines. With a loyal army and ALL the pruning devices by the looks of it, I assume she is going out to prune timelines despite what the rest of the TVA says.
I’m impressed with how well they got this season going in just one episode
I do hope they keepup this.
But seeing the history of marvel tv shows, we might have only 1 or 2more good episodes then rest is going to slowly become mediocore as the season 1 became.
But still I'm hoping they keep our loki a main character this time, he should be the driving force for the series not sylvie,
Loki season 1 was my favorite MCU series and I think this start to season 2 was Excellent, set design, performances, music, setting, mysteries, cgi, direction, etc. I think that if the season maintains the quality it can become one of my favorite superhero series.
I think that Loki pruned himself and we will see that Moment again from that other Lokis or basically future Lokis perspective
I’m with you on that !!
You may be right since future Loki doesnt experience time slipping anymore so he just stay there and not be included whenever past Loki time slips.
For the most confusing moment in the episode, I see barely anyone discussing about it. I like your theory, it makes perfect sense
Could see this being a reveal in episode 2, or even for the mid-point of the season. How far in the future was that anyway?
There has to be more Time Slipping tho, there was a scene in the trailer where he slipped to somwhere outside
Loki is truly a breath of fresh air after Secret Invasion, it’s nice to be back to some solid intrigue and fun writing
Secret Invasion needed to have an Avengers team in it. Nick Fury alone can't carry a show.
Secret invasion spoilers**
Secret Invasion was actually great until the finale. Where it just turned into another CGI fight, they had a villain who was not conceptually wrong but they didn't address the actual issues he had, they just just killed him and ignored that issue
So many people forget that Ke Huy Quan was also Data in The Goonies (which was also Josh Brolin's first role). I think Future Loki was the one to prune himself, which would make sense as to why Sylvie was only surprised to see him in a "we got separated and now I've located you again" kind of way and not a "I haven't seen you in years" kind of way.
If thats ture then loki will die at the end when the TVA blows up.
do so many people forget that?
hard to believe this is the same kid who helped dr. jones escape the temple of doom. 😄
When Ke Huy Quan started making the rounds for EEAAO people recognized him once he started talking and searched his name. The ones who don't know never watched Indiana Jones or The Goonies and it's this current generation. Anyone born in the 70's and 80's will remember Ke.
I'm skeptical that there are a lot of people who "forget" that. I think you are encountering people who are either too young to have seen those movies, or have somehow gone through life without seeing them. lol
Now this is the level of Doctor Who shenanigans I've missed. Looking forward to seeing what season 2 has in store
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1st,
Please don't kill me but I've never seen the show you referred to.
Is it a lot like this show? I've heard of it before but it never caught
my attention and nobody I know watches it so since you brought
it up I decided to ask a fan.
@@kayaleandreaspencer631I would say so. Doctor Who is my favourite show, and I defo was reminded of it regularly through season 1 of Loki, and especially here.
There’s a lot of time-based shenanigans in Doctor Who, like the bootstrap paradox etc in this episode. I think another big part for me is being able to travel anywhere using the tempad in Loki (past/future/space) - the TARDIS (the Doctor’s ship) in Doctor Who is the same, enabling each story to be told anywhere/anytime.
Each episode is generally its own independent story, but each season has an over-arching plot running alongside which culminates in the finale. It has some fantastic plots, incredible episodes and character moments. The show is kept fresh by having a great way of recasting the main actor every few years - not in a “James Bond” way, but an in-story/lore way.
I would maybe recommend trying S1E1 Rose (it does an amazing of introducing the character and the world), S5E1 The Eleventh Hour (basically a fresh start and another good jumping on point) or S3E10 Blink (a sort of standalone story that requires no Who knowledge but I think is universally praised).
@@kayaleandreaspencer631 I wouldn't say Doctor Who is a lot like Loki in terms of plot, but seeing the first episode of this season I though that this feels very much like the former
@@kayaleandreaspencer631 No worries. The Loki series, in my opinion, is reminiscent of the David Tennant and Matt Smith eras of Doctor Who (or the 10th and 11th Doctor). Both shows have their distinctions, but they both involve very eccentric protagonists involved in time travel stories. Definitely give it a shot if you're interested.
The Lamentis episode of Loki season one was *very* Doctor Who. It even started in a quarry!
I think this is absolutely one of the best episodes of the whole show. I'm very optimistic for this season
It really does feel like they've upped their entire game for Season 2. Granted it's the *big premier* episode, but damn.
Excellent start. Loki, Mobius, and OB have great chemistry! My guess is Sylvie is getting help from someone, who, not sure, but that person definitely pruned Loki and helped him to get back.
Could also have been one of the rogue TVA agents we see who's looking for Sylvie and they pruned Loki because they know they've worked together, unintentionally helping him.
I feel like it was prolly Loki himself from the future, hence why Sylvie was expecting to see him when she opened that door
@@wave6553 If it was they would've showed the face
@@whya_ That's the theory I saw on X. So Loki find Sylvie to find and prune himself.
Ya, figure its a Loki from a different point in time, is why she isn't surprised to see him
So glad this show is back! I can’t wait to see what happens next week!
So glad the first episode continued straight off from season 1 feels so much more connected
This show so far is like a 7-hr long movie if you think about it
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem trueee
@@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalemhonestly its the best example of this TV as longform cinema model
So glad to see Ke Huy Quan in more stuff!
Exactly!
What a great season premiere, tom hiddleston is really killing the acting! superb, hes angry, frightened and wants answers.
The visual direction is GLORIOUS. The mix of 70's si-fi horror looking sets with the unique directorial style... PERFECTION.
Also wasn't expecting a Marvel show of all things to beat an episode of Gen V... crazy week lol.
@@CraitMerc beat an episode of gen v in ratings or something like that? I ask for real because i don't know.
@@rodrigopena449 No, as in actual quality. This week's Gen V kinda let the ball down but not drastically.
If I had a nickel for every time Ke Huy Quan was involved in a multiverse story, I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.
I've never heard of Ke Huy Quan but they seem like a really funny actor so I have to see more stuff now!
Dan Harmon been in over 19 multiversal projects, there’s a lot of old ones but people only think about it now
Dead joke. Cringe
@@Undertaker606 ok
@@Undertaker606 Phineas and Ferb never goes out of style
So, outside the TVA if you time travel and change something you just create a new timeline, but IN the TVA what you change affects your own future (how timetravel usually works). I think that’s neat.
Time must pass in the TVA in order for OB to say it has been 400 years since Mobius last visited him.
They said "time works differently" "it doesn't work like that".
@@pkmntrainerian1092 They cant remember anything due to the constant mind wipe, thats why all they can remember is that they were already there.
Not remembering anything destroys the concept of time for them. While OB's mind hasnt been wiped yet so he can see that time at TVA is linear.
Time must happen differently if they stay the same after so many years, because I don't think He Who Remains would make them immortal, androids or something if he can get more people.
People have been sleeping on the statement from He Who Remains "One devil or infinite" Who cares if the Kang from Quantumania was defeated, there are millions more on the way.
I'm so jealous that you guys get to hang out with your best friends and watch amazing shit for a living, it must be the best job ever!
I actually thought we where gonna loose mobius when retrieving Loki,the music really made the scene seem like he would not make it🥲
It felt like deja vu lol 😂
One episode and I already love it....
I LOVE YOUR REACTIONS!!! They make me feel like I have actual friends to watch these tv shows with 😅
I don't know but the style and movement of the camera, and they're dialogue, especially when they were with OB, felt a lot like a Wes Anderson style of film making. And Owen Wilson being there makes it even more so 😂 Makes me think that Wes Anderson should consider including Ke Huy Quan in one of his future films, he will fit just fine.
"You can try our new Chicken McNuggets". Hard to believe there was a time not long ago when McNuggets weren't a thing. Although techically they were only introduced in select markets in 1981, they weren't available worldwide until 1983.
"THAT'S WHO'S COMING BACK!"
And just like that Loki did what Ant-Man couldn't: make Kang a THREAT. I hope Tom has a good chiropractor cause he'll need it after carrying post Endgame MCU on his back.
yeah, Quantumania wasnt the best. Actually, I would prefer for it to be just a bad movie. But it was mid. The painful part is it was just boring to watch. All that introduction for Kang, that ultimately we know will be beaten, or at least slowed down in the end is not needed. I would prefer for Quantumania to focus more on Scott and actual heist, instead of being all a tool to introduce Kang. Scott and Cassie didnt do anything new or interesting in this movie. This here, yeah, shows why Kang is such a threat. He can be beaten with an effort, or an army of thousand year old behemot ants, sure, unlike Thanos, who couldnt be just 'beaten'. The problem is, there are infinite versions of him coming back each time you take him down.
Agreed
@@kptmaci4979 Big. FCKING. Agree.
It feels weird like season 2 should have come out before that movie.
@@roxtechs That movie should not even exist. They really think people like that quantum bs, but they don't. Instead the movie should have been Antman and wasp being sent to investigate the source of incursions, but the MCU brass just sticks to what is safe and now it's not even safe, they're gonna start losing money if they keep this trend of releasing junk movies.
Damn, this was an awesome season premiere. O.B. has already become my favorite character.
The Temporal Loom kinda reminds me of the Great Clock from Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time. Both are massive devices meant to properly keep the flow of time, and if they break down, the damage will be cataclysmic.
I just love how the Back to the Future rules are no longer “bullshit”, at least in the TVA.
So hyped for this! After watching, I already want to watch the next ep badly!
This was a great one! Love OB! I went him on my team! This will be fun this season! For all time Always!
Your confusion about Casey and the time lapse doesn't take into account the fact that Casey was there when the crack happened, but in the "present" he said it was "before his time". They already addressed the mind wipe issue, so there were at least two incarnations of the TVA (probably a lot more), and an undermined amount of time in between. It could be along the 400 years O.B. mentioned. Of course, it's all relative in the TVA, anyway. :)
i like how loki being pulled back at the end showed his durabilty.
I just started watching this show a week ago, finally finishing it. The anxiety i felt during S1E6 to S2E1, the way Loki was freaking out and Kang being referred to as a Devil. It was actually scary and AMAZING
God this was such a great episode.
Wonderful first episode. The way that Spider-people begin glitching in Sony's Spider-Verse animated flicks when they are in the wrong realms is similar to how Loki's time-slipping works. When Loki jumps from a TVA window, what color mail truck is he landing on before he does so? Was a reference to a scene where Milla Jovovich's Leelo does the same thing and enters Bruce Willis' yellow flying taxicab in Luc Besson's bizarre science fiction thriller The Fifth Element. After the credits, Sylvie runs away to 1982 Broxton, Oklahoma. Compared to Norway as it is in the MCU, the real-world town served as New Asgard in the comics when Ragnarok destroyed Thor's home planet. So it's a wonderful nod to Marvel Comics canon that a (adoptive) Asgardian ended up residing there in the first place. Who Is Calling? "Who Pruned Loki? I believe Sylvie was trying to call Loki while she was on the phone. Additionally, according to my idea, Loki was pruned by Loki in the past. Comics-savvy viewers have speculated whether the MCU would explore Ravonna's love triangle with Kang ever since her Loki season 1 appearance. A tape of He Who Remains praising a Renslayer for her remarkable talents that Loki finds serves as the first important proof that this is actually the truth. A well-known Loki theory from Avengers: Secret Wars predicts that the God of Mischief will soon be able to fix the multiverse. As a potent act of atonement, Loki's decision to take leadership of the TVA during the Secret Wars has the potential to transform him into a hero. To ensure that versions of He Who Remains (like Kang) wouldn't exist, however, this would go beyond maintaining the original Sacred Timeline.
I like how the “flattop” towards the end of the episode, starts to doubt what is right and wrong and at the beginning he was a true believer.
That is smart writing.
loki and mobius' chemistry is SO entertaining
love how this one episode changed what we thought about MCU time travel. we thought Stark/Lang stumbled cross time travel when really they discovered multiversal time travel which are clearly 2 different things... loving where this will lead us to... back to the meat of the multiversal saga
I was not high enough for something this confusing haha.
But I loved that concept of changing something in the past affecting the present! That scene was so cool!
Dont forget, that OB also hadnt heard the nickname for himself - "ob" until LOKI heard it in the present, and gave it to him in the past. And The fact that Mobius MAY have remembered the detail of seeing him once, 400 years ago, but its so far back he didnt remember if OB had other assistants, or anything else, proves that at maximum, he hasnt been 'mind wiped' for 400 years, possibly.
I thought the assistants detail was him trying to make generic enough small talk that it wouldn't be obvious he doesn't remember anything.
Ouroboros is the name of the snake from Greek mythology that encircles the world and bites its own tail, constantly devouring itself. (Similar to the Midgard-Snake from Norse mythology that encircled the world.) So yes, another reference to the time loop.
I loved this episode! Everything about it felt so perfect. Every scene and moment was fantastic! I thought that the writing was incredible, the acting was amazing, and the tone was perfect. All throughout this episode I was curious about what was going to happen next and it just had me on the edge of my seat throughout the entire episode. And I was amazed at just how incredible the music for this episode was, I’m so glad that they brought Natalie Holt back to do this show’s score. And each actor was giving a fantastic performance and I felt like they were all doing an amazing job for these characters. They all felt like they were fully dedicate and invested to their character and their role. And I loved the set design for this episode, I always really liked the style of the sets this show used especially in the TVA, so getting to see it again through new and previously visited locations in the TVA was so great to me. I also thought that the visuals were fantastic, especially the Time Slipping and all of the moments of Mobius in the temporal loom. With its vibrant colors and the way it cast light on everything looked so beautiful. And I really liked the detail of how the temporal energy was slowly burning up portions of Mobius’ suit. And the Time Slipping effect was so graphic and horrific looking it really sold me on how painful and disturbing it must have been. I was so glad to get to jump back into this show. It was amazing to get to see the events following the season one finale. I thought this did an amazing job at bringing us back into this shows story and it had me fully invested with the first couple minutes. I can’t wait to learn and watch more about this shows plot as it unfolds, from just this episode I think it’s going to be amazing. And I loved getting to see and be reintroduced to all of this shows beloved characters like Loki, Mobius, B-15, and even Casey. I can’t wait to get to see more of them as the season progresses. Now I’ve got to talk about Ke Huy Quan as Ouroboros/O.B. I think he did a fantastic job! From just his first scene I already loved everything about him. I feel like he has so much potential and there are just so many places they can go and so many things they can do with this character and there is so much we still have to learn about him and I can’t wait for it. I think that Ke Huy Quan was giving an excellent performance and he has completely sold me on his character and I really cannot wait to see him throughout the rest of this season. And another thing I really enjoyed about this episode was how strong the relationship between Loki and Mobius was. I think they did such an amazing job at bringing us back into the friendship between these two characters. You could especially feel it during the scene where Mobius refuses to leave the temporal loon so that he can be there when Loki gets back, despite the fact it could kill him. And when they first reunited at the start of this episode, it was so heartwarming to see the two of them reembrace each other with a hug. Also I loved how big of threat they built up Kang to be throughout this episode. I can’t wait to see where the end of this episode will lead into next week’s episode. I am very curious to see how this episodes events will lead into next week’s episode and how it will impact the future of this show and its continuing story. I am really loving everything about this new season so far and I can’t wait to see where this story and all the characters involved will go next. I cannot wait for next week’s episode.
I dont usually like the handheld cam bc of the shakiness effect, but in here it was so well done it felt like you were part of it like you are in the TVA following Loki. The practical sets and long shots probably also help with that feeling of 'being' there.
This is the best episode 1 of any MCU shows so far, a close 2nd is Loki S1. I like the approach in this whole series so far, it feels like a 7-hour long movie bc every episode of this show (so far) directly follows what happened in the end of the last episode.
Good first episode! Loki being like Magina from D.O.T.A., blinking in and out the T.V.A.'s past, present, & future - anyway, great reaction & discussion from the Wave Crew! Looking forward to a great Season 2 for the God of Mischief! 🔥🔥🔥
Anyone notice the door to the Temporal Room looked like the door to the Danger Room in X-Men? 🤔🤔🤔
There is a clip of tom doing the time slipping and its pretty much what Calvin did 😂
"Time doesn't pass, but experiences still happen."
Basically how time works in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels when characters are in Death's Domain or in the stable time loop of the "one perfect days that repeats" in the monastery of the History Monks. Stuff can happen with events following each other (although sometimes time can also run backwards). People form memories, but people don't physically grow older.
It was so good to see Ke Huy Quan in another show! His performance in American Born Chinese was amazing and quite emotional! Love him as O.B.!
I literally just watched this episode 30 minutes ago and thought "I wonder when blindwave will react to this?"
To quote Bender “WE’RE BACK BABY”! This 1 episode has some of the best use of time travel/glitching moments of all time. The way that Loki, Mobius and OB were all able to have a 3 way conversation across 2 different points in time blew my mind WHILE also making die laughing. Not to mention the absolutely perfect building of tension in the last 10 minutes, I felt like I was watching a Christopher Nolan movie.
And Ke Huy Quan is absolutely PERFECT as OB, hiring him for Loki is one of the best decisions Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios has ever made, and just like Owen Wilson he must be protected at all costs.
Also Loki time slipping looks absolutely painful. Like he’s been thrown into a taffy puller and is being ripped apart while turned inside out.
They mentioned spaghettification, which is what would happen near the even horizon of supermassive black holes. I think that's what they were going for with those visuals. I think the implication is that the TVA is located inside one of these black holes, which is why it's outside the normal flow of time, as time would behave very differently inside a black hole.
Eric's continuity is all wibbly-wobbly before he even starts... Good luck with this season. 😉😁🐊
The Temple of Loom. 😂
the ant man movie didn’t make kang feel like the huge threat he should be but this first episode brought me back that feeling
The end credits for quantumania kind of implied that the version of kang ant man defeated was the equivalent of cannon fodder which I thought added something
@@SorchaSublime What I got from the credits was that it took all those other Kangs to defeat the one in the quantum realm. Only now that he's not a threat they can go on a rampage.
If OBIE could really remember Loki in a new change in the past it's because literally. What I explained in the first season, Miss Minutes, is that when you make a change in the lines fixed in time, it does not affect the future of whoever creates it at all. But that may not have happened in Marvel's current lineup during the Infinity Saga, when Kang was in a position to command the TVA.
6:00 the head tilts haha
Dude the handheld shots through most of this episode really sell the chaos unfolding
The actress playing the war council leader is a wheelchair-bound British actress - she was also in Good Omens season 2 as one of the angels.
Loving the new season so far!!! 👍👍👍❤❤❤
Probably my favourite season premiere for an MCU show. It did everything it needed to for a sequel season too - pick up right from where we left off, introduce new threats, characters etc. and was really funny and exciting all the way through.
It's a hard balance, but it got it right.
Loki absolutely pruned himself. He made the phone ring as well. We will definitely circle back to this moment.
It was def ringing for him.😅
Im so Hyped to continue the Loki story. Ke Huy Quan was awesome as O.B.
I always love yalls reactions, Keep Up The Hard Work!!!!!!!!
Loved the episode. Key Huy Quan was amazing as O.B.. the dialog is just great
What a great start to the season.
O.B. is so charming and fun.
And Hiddleston performance was perfect
Always good to see the crew in for the MCU!
SECRET WARS! That means we are finally gonna see the black suited Spiderman.
Love that from now on (for a couple of weeks), we get both Loki and Gen V on fridays
The VFX and music were god tier. I almost wish Kang hadn't appeared in antman because they're really building him up in Loki.
The Time Slipping effect is refreshingly striking - first time I can really say that in a long time for Marvel
What’s funny is they built him up in Loki to appear in antman
@@hellfish2309really, I thought it was kinda ugly, I get that’s it’s supposed to but it’s some ps3 graphics for sure, it’s just harder to pick up on because it’s so fast and they shot on film it looks like
rewatch the scene of the people discussing around the table, that is some of the worst blue screen ive seen in Marvel
@@cl4-tpgaming if its hard to pick up doesnt that mean its good? since its not noticeable in action, and please dont use the still or 'its bad if you pause it' argument thats bs you can do that in every other movie ever to make it look like its bad.
and also please stop it on 'it looks like ps3' bc its not and even you dont really believe that but just cant point out something that is actually bad.
Last year, we had Xenoblade Chronicles 3 which featured a game mechanic called Ouroboros. Not long after, Cobra Kai Season 5, Episode 6 was given that word as its’ title. Now we have a character with that name, or O.B. for short. Ke Huy Quan is always a win.
I’m excited for next week’s episode. We still don’t know where Ravonna is, B-15 and Mobius remember and aside with Loki which is a very good thing, and in more ways than one Sylvie is finally getting a taste of freedom. She better conjure up cash though.
I knew the word sounded familiar. I saw it first from Cobra Kai.
Hell yeah! Been waiting all day for this
Ke Huy Quan is an unbelievable casting. What a perfect fit for the vibe of this show
And so, my friends, the rollercoaster of emotions and awesomeness that is the Loki series is back with season 2!
loki falling into the cab reminded me of leeloo falling into Corbin Dallas' cab in 5th element
Adore all the practical sets, does wonders for the very Analog 1970s retro futuristic set designs for the TVA and just looks amazing. Crazy looking behind the scenes and seeing that all these rooms in the TVA are pretty much practical sets minus the background of course. It's like the Andor of the MCU for me just has it's own overall tone and feel and doesn't really feel like your typical MCU project, more of these please Marvel.
Is it me or that temporal loom looks like X-men Cerebro room? They even got a huge door with an X on it
It's not just you. That's no coincidence. The creators intentionally kept that as an easter egg.
@@crimsonghoul8983 Except Cerebro room is a huge sphere.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog Yes. It is. Like i said, its an easter egg, which means that its simply referring to something intentionally and not actually being that object or entity.
O.B. repeating 'Temporal Room' felt like a callback to 'Temple of Doom'.
I just wanna point out that I live in Oklahoma and the town listed is only 4 hrs away from me. That being said, that was the most southern Oklahoma accent I've ever heard.
I think the person that pruned Loki was Loki but his future self, and Sylvie was actually talking to the one pruning him and not to the one being pruned, it would make sense I mean he'd know where to find himself and know he needed to be pruned
Great first episode! Loki is my fav MCU show, I can’t wait to see what’s next.
looks good can´t wait for the discussions from these and the theories that get crafted
Ah, a good show with amazing set, vfx, production and great writing and acting. I missed this mcu.
I love seeing futures change because of past meddling! Time travel🎉
I really like the writing and sequence of storytelling in the LOKI SERIES.
Man so far ive been absolutely loving the new cinematography, i cant explain it but it feels very different from other marvel shows and it has me more engaged
My Theory, The Person That Pruned Loki, was a Future Loki, like when the show moves forward, we get to the Point from episode 1 and Future Loki has to Pruned His Past Seld To Get Him To Where He Is Now.
I think the TVA is in the quantum realm, time passes very differently there. Also the buildings we are shown looks a lot like how an Ants nest is laid out.
you know what, I had hope we would see the TVA in Quantumania.
GREAT start! I love the world they have going with the TVA so much
The way you all tilt your head at 6.03 😂
calvin smashed that table so hard the audio of my laptop got distorted and freaked me out for a bit
I don't know exactly what happened but I'm really interested to find out which I wanted to feel watching this show,it's so good to see Loki and Mobius again together :)
This may be a stretch but what if this is the "last" episode and the final episode ties back to this one. Ouroboros is infinity. There is no end and no beginning. Maybe Kang is the one who pruned Loki to keep him in a time loop and future Sylvie was looking for him to stop it from happening.
the time slipping looks like the same thing that happens in the spiderman animated movies when they are in the wrong universe without a cuff.
Hearing you guys talk about time travel this much makes me really want to see you guys react to Primeval, the British TV series that involves some cool time travel.
Groovy
In DS9 The Wormhole aliens don't experience linear time and I think its the same here. The acting in this is superb.
The shot of the vault doors into the time loom gave me super Shining elevator vibes
hahahaha "Chicken don't have faces!"
love your guys reactions hope yall have a great day
Reminds me of in Bill and Ted where they keep hiding stuff at the police station in the past