Is Pyro Meta Again? Or Still Weak? - Arlecchino Gameplay Analysis | Genshin Impact
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Genshin Impact's Version 4.6 brought with it the LONG anticipated release of Arlecchino, marking the fourth Pyro unit released in Version 4 and a powerful one at that. With Arlecchino, Lyney, Chevreuse and Gaming, is Pyro back in the meta? Or is this a precursor to an even bigger future problem with the element?
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If you told anyone at the start of Genshin that Pyro, the most popular and well known element, would be swapped in it’s rankings with Electro, which was regarded as it’s weakest counterpart no one would believe you. And yet here we are now 😭
Hydro is the best element though, it has the best reactions
"They called me a madman. Look who's laughing now!"
True
@@gunman8452Most popular, not the best or strongest
@@_shadow_1397 Hydro is used in all the good reaction teams, so I don't think calling it the best is a stretch. You need hydro to Vape, Freeze, hyperbloom and Nilou bloom, and don't forget about Neuvi and Furina being among the stongest characters in game. Tbf hydro is the best both because of its reactions and the sheer strength of its roster
@@_shadow_1397 best and strongest
“When it comes to exception, we are the exception”
- Special grade jj sorcerer Xiangling
Are you the strongest because you're Xianling or are you XIanling because you're the strongest?
i love this
xiangling truly is the gojo of pyro
You were strong Arlecchino, I will remember you as long as I live
Diluc : Nah, I would win
I really love how every discussion about Genshin balance has to either ignore Geo because it brings nothing to the conversation or just say "And then there's geo loudly choking to death in the corner"
Which is sad since BEST GI- I MEAN NAVIA! Is a real solid unit paired with C1 Chiori....
It's hard to make balanced changes to Geo when its best characters' multipliers are overtuned to compensate for the lack of reactions.
Edit: I realize I'm saying the same thing we did for Electro before. However, the reason Geo is harder to consider is because all Electro needed was a buff for the then under-utilized EM in the form of Dendro. Should Geo and Geo reactions be buffed, it should be approached with the same concept: buff an under-utilized aspect (e.g, EM and shield strength).
They would have to create an artifact or weapon that gave geo a real reaction. Maybe a new geo catalyst character so that only Ningguang potentially gets buffed.
which also says something about the meta as geo is regarded as bad but can still give you the most brain dead free 36 star clears in abyss
@@StranglerSixsame can be said of early days electro units
Pyro was never "weak", it was just vape being pretty much the ONLY dps-viable team, hence it took almost ALL the "market share" of meta teams. But now we have OTHER dps-viable teams, like Aggravate/Spread, Blooms, Overload (with Chevy), and even mono teams.
So its not pyro became "weak", its just that now pyro is sharing the usage rate with other elements.
Not just that though.
Pyro also just had a bad case of weak new units since version 1 ended. None of the Units since then could even get close to Hu Tao.
In fact Lyney was the 1st Pyro Unit in years that DIDN'T SUCK.
@javelinmaster2 meanwhile me clearing abyss with f2p build yoi and support. Skill issues and difference in investment is the answer.
@@Daddy_Of_Haruwu skill issues and investment problems other characters don't have.
@@Daddy_Of_Haruwu You know how folks are. They regard Units who take just a little bit longer as "trash".
@@javelinmaster2 facts bro
Make burning great. They're already making moves and I love DOT so I pray. Bonus for new pyro playstyle. Or create burgeon specialty like Nilou but that may be too specific and broad at the same time as it requires 3 elements.
Edit: Wanted to add that I agree, the current niches are being filled, and it’s getting much harder to see a clear path for a new play style without bringing a new reaction. Tho if they ever add one, it’ll be dainsleifs thing and that’s not gonna be for 5 years so idfk
They made one for Overload, so maybe there is hope yet.
Personally, I think a great way to "buff" burning is making a character that can increase burning damage to enemies while also reducing the burning damage the characters recieve (or even making then inmune to it) and/or increasing it's time.
I consider burning as the worst reaction because it is only powerful when it goes AGAINST you. And that's something I learned the hard way with Bennet.
@@Otherface yeah it genuinely is the worst reaction, I really wanted to make it work but even with C2 Nahida allowing burns to crit and her + Thoma having ~900 em each so no matter who triggered it would deal relatively same dmg, most I saw was about 4.3k in a tick, which just doesn’t suffice compared to any other reaction. Then again Hoyo refuses to add more endgame content and the only endgame content being time gated leaves burning in an utterly sad state
@@cloakedwraith5314burning is so bad, it even affects real life
More DOT, make burning stackable XD the dumbest idea i can think of
Your forgetting they have not tapped into one market yet. Debuffing. The only debuffing unit is Mona
I thought that Dendro plus Geo was going to be the debuff combination. It still might be but doubtful. Geo being stand alone has bothered especially after Dendro's release. Like the concept of Plants and the earth don't have reaction is crazy. It should have been Decay debuff combination.
Unless the devs are saving debuffing for the Abyssal element. Which is something that's eventually going to happen as Dainsleif exists and his element is unknown. But his confirmed playable.
Not exactly, we have resistance shredders (VV, Zhong li, chevy), attack debuffers (Diona A4), defense debuffers (Lisa A4, Klee C2, Razor & Ayaka C4, Nahida C2).
But yeah I agree that having more debuffers would be neat
@@Pika-sp9cs true but none of those units are really debuff centric in the same way that mona or even hsr characters like pela are, nor do they have super high multipliers. 5 star constellations are just unattainable for a lot of people.
The problem is once a debuffer comes they’ll be new mobs to sell the debuffer. Which means that mob would crazy strong in the first place.
And self buffing is more reliable and easy to calculate. If the game started out with the initiative to debuff enemies then a change like this wouldn’t be a problem
While i like the direction Arlecchino has taken as an on-field dps, i really hope for Natlan we can have more off-field/support pyro characters. Before Chevreuse, the only GOOD support or off-field characters we ever got are Bennet and Xiangling. Thoma needed Dendro in roder to be viable, and Dehya had a ton of potential, but... we know what happened.
Could you imagine a pyro character that can consistently apply pyro to enemies? Ganyu may come back to the meta, Neuvi would be even more broken than how it is, etc.
I have feeling Pyro archon will Increase Attack, resistant. And apply pyro to enemy
Consistent pyro for Ganyu is achieveable now with BurnMelt.
@@phantompanda5876yeah but to achieve that reaction you need 2 units. Having only one frees up another spot for a support
@@phantompanda5876 I know but... burning is not a good reaction, personally.
i mean natlan is the nation of war it would make sense if we got a lot of brute forcing on fielders.....
i think my favorite aspect of Arlecchino’s kit is that she keeps her pyro infusion even if you swap out so it’s very easy to refresh teammate buffs and then bring her back out to keep dealing damage 🙌
also my outlook on the future of Pyro is still fairly positive! while i agree that the DPS category is getting crowded i think there’s still room to explore in the buffer and sustain categories - plus i think we’re still lacking a bit in off-field pyro appliers: Dehya and Thoma have slower application that can also accidentally steal vapes/melts in some teams and while we ALL know Xiangling is cracked, her application can sometimes be too much so i would really like to see hoyo release an off-field pyro applier that stands somewhere in the middle of this spectrum 🙏
Almost certain that The Pyro Archon will be a fusion of Diluc, Xiangling and Bennet:
- Capable of being used as a Hypercarry
- Good Off Field Damage
- Buffs for the entire team
And Natlan will probably be where Pyro will have its rebirth in the META
Yeah hopefully we get Geo buffs when the Geo region comes out :(
@@shironalice Liyue 💀
They're probably gonna lock one of these abilities behind their c1 or c2 like they did with raiden
@@pyae1They would need to. Having all of those things with at least 1 being constellation locked would make her like the power 5 far too overtuned. Most likely the DPS part like Raiden. Archons are support Characters first after all. Longevity matters more than raw power.
Who said OPPA can't be hypercarry
I think Arlecchino's release bizarrely enough has buffed Layla up a bit
Zhongli is of course going to be better most of the time but due to Layla's *very* strong shield she becomes a good option for Arlecchino, on top of basically never ending cryo application for melt, Layla seems to have a bit more of a purpose than she did before
will a shielder be absolutely needed for her? I know that she can't heal normally, but does having enough er making her able to sustain everything with burst?
@@saif-gv6gl it depends on your dodging skill if you dont have a shielder in the team.
Yeah, I imagine Layla will get increased usage as a shield option for Arlecchino for being a Cryo Shielder. While Zhongli's strong, you also should consider players who missed out on Zhongli's banners (new players, people on break and came back after his reruns). Especially for players who don't have good dodging skills.
Sadly, I don't have Layla yet. When was the last time she was on a banner?
Im playing Arle with Xingqiu, Kazu and Benny boy . I didn't notice shield is needed
Well, with Natlan in the corner, I'd say Pyro will be great again. Also, I'm looking forward to what the devs will do with the burning reaction because right now no team can really utilize the new burning artifact set
same, I hoping we get a good pyro cataylst character I love using Yanfei, but she is honestly too slow, and Klee can't hit flying enemies.
at least one new good pyro character they will release lol, but i wish they mantain the fontaine pattern of launching a dragon with op kit to
Yes they can
Kazuha Nahida Xiangling and Benny
preferably C2 Kazuha and C2 Nahida with C4 Xiangling and C6 Benny
@@Force-Multiplierread this back and tell me what the problem is.
@@sonofdeleniel007 he says no team can really use the new Burning set that's just not true that team can use it
anyone noticed that the harbingers are onfielders and they’re all stance changers (i count wanderer’s floating stance as a stance change)
ong cant wait for columbina to stance swap into a biblically accurate angel
tbf wanderer's not a harbinger anymore. also arle and childe both have really good AoE coverage, which i'm interpreting as how wide spread the fatui themselves are
@@imnotherenow200 well he was there during arlecchino’s thing and that 2nd point is actually pretty good i didnt even pickup on their attacks themselves i wonder since all of them have burst that effects their stance change what could that mean
when i say effects their stance change i mean how wanderer’s burst ends his skill arlecchino’s depowers her scythe by removing the bond of life and childe’s change based on the stance he’s in
Would you consider arleccino a stance change tho? All she really gets is pyro infusion
I played Genshin maybe twice during the last 3 week patch but this convinced me to come back .i know shes been a long awaited character but I didn't think I'd like her this much
Go Barbara Go!
Chevreuse was such an amazing upgrade for Pyro. I know it’s generally “locked” behind overload, but even on non-overload teams, the casual heal is a huge QoL boost, and the ascension 4 passive damage buff does not require pyro+electro only teams.
I think the big reason as to why pyro isn't really reaching the heights that the other elements are is that as they are atk based the soft max is far smaller than hydro,dendro or electro who use hp or em and the lack of off field application (aside from the obvious)
I mean think about it, most of the best teams/units use the 2x damage reaction or have massive natural pyro damage bonus or even both, and look I am not saying they are bad by any means but even with all these massive bonuses they are simply equal to other things who don't have that
That increases the possibility that Natlan will release a bennet powercreep or pyro characters that revolve around supporting, as Pyro revolves around Atk, same way Dendro with EM, HP for Hydro
Plus Pyro dont have that much supports
@@AddictiveSoap yeah I'll be honest Bennett is pretty much the outlier to my comment, he's really only pyro in element only and that's pushing it since he's the only using who does what he does aside from maybe Gouro so people saying Bennett is gonna be powercrept in Natlan is something I won't be betting on given that he's just not a pyro character
There's still more niches that pyro doesn't have filled yet. Bursty, one-shot damage like some Ayaka builds, and skill focused damage like Fischl are the two that come to mind.
And then of course there's other elements that show basically entire overlap that don't seem to interfere with eachother at all. Xinqiu and Yelan both have a place for different niches and same with Fischl and Yae Miko. Some teams have one of these better than the other, and it's not a direct one outclasses the other. Furina even seems to Overlap a ton with the other two hydros mentioned and still has a separate (although more dominant most of the time) place in the meta.
Not really worried about Pyro. Natlan will be released before the end of this year and I am sure the Pyro Archon will be the support the Pyro Element is lacking.
My prediction though is that Pyro will get a few unique reactions that will give Pyro itself some more interesting playstyles. Like Geo + Pyro making the Molten reaction, where it leaves a small pool of lava on where the reaction occurs then enemies take burning damage from it that also slows them and the Burning Reaction having a second reaction with Pyro with something like Scorched that gets applied after like 5 seconds of burning, that adds a Pyro Resistance debuff to the enemy that's EM based.
It really feels that Pyro element lacks interesting elemental reactions currently. By adding more Pyro related reactions, it would also bring up Pyro as an element as well.
That would be really cool!
If they do make the archon a support, to separate them from Bennett, I can see them making each reaction apply a different type of buff for example:
-Vaporize could increase team EM
-Melt could increase team ATK
-Overload could increase resistance to interuption
-Burning/Burgeon could increase damage reduction
-Swirl could increase move speed/atk speed/ability cdr
-Geo could increase defense
And these could be increased (X) amount based on amount of Pyro and (X) element in the party, incentivizing picking a reaction and going all-in, a very pyro sounding strategy
(Although there's a few things that make me think they could reveal Arlecchino is the real Archon and give her an early rerun or an alternate character like Dan Heng got in HSR. Natlan is in ruin and war, could be because their leader left. She's the only polearm 'mortal' to not have a charge attack that does the spinny thing. She has the Archon chair animation that the past two have.)
With the new artifact set tailored for burning, I think some of the future pyro characters would be able to utilize that reaction well, and whether they're a main or sub dps, they will atleast have a different playstyle to already existing characters.
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Bennett and Xiangling have been competitive picks forever, and are still to this day, despite only being 4 stars. Pyro was never weak.
It's going to be interesting how Hoyo further navigates future potential niche units for Pyro, because ultimately I feel like Pyro sticking to the DPS trope is going to torpedo the element. It's not going to matter how many Pyro DPS units they release because at some point you're going to get two units that are spitting images of each other in playstyle. I might still pull for the Pyro Archon, but it will be a disappointment if he/she ends up being another main DPS instead of taking on a different role like sub-DPS (I mean maybe a sub-DPS might help with reverse Melts or Vapes would be interesting).
They haven't had much success in niche Pyro units like Dehya and Xinyan (and niche units in general in Genshin are more hit or miiss), but it's a necessary course that needs to be taken considering different elements have changed over the years thanks to their own set of niche units that turned out to be good like Xianyun and Nilou.
Great analysis! I'm really excited to play Arlecchino and I think she'll be relevant for a while; I like using Xiangling, but otherwise mostly use Yoimiya (and now probably Arlecchino) because I love the normal attack chains, they look and feel good! And now I have a single-target and an AOE chase option for it 😁 I imagine and hope Natlan will add some more breadth to Pyro, I think we'll see more with the Bond of Life, health sacrifice, and burning based on the new artifact sets (especially the two in 4.6).
Confused as to the premise of the video when Hu Tao and Xiangling have remained at the top in both speedrunning leaderboards and povertc recommendations....
wdym? he literally said they haven't gotten powercrept yet.
@@2im36 yes, but he construes pyro's representation by older characters as an apparent downfall of the element in the "meta," which never happened. he concedes that xiangling, bennett, and hu tao are still strong, but he essentially states that because no pyro unit has replicated their power, the element's fallen off (see: the title, the thumbnail, the intro, etc.). i guess it makes sense since he's a league content creator, and new champs overshadow old champs all the time, but that doesn't really apply here. i get the point he's trying to make, but he's using a faulty premise that even he doesn't seem to fully believe.
They’ve declined a bit. Xiangling is tied to Bennett or raiden, and Hutao requires more investment than dendro teams. They are also less flexible
@@venteanari "the return of pyro" doesn't necessarily mean that pyro was bad, just that the other elements pulled ahead due to balancing after dendro was released. that much is true.
he never said HT, XL, or bennett were too powerful, just that pyro is being too one-track and that has limited its potential. he never once states in the video that a specific character has overshadowed another or that pyro units can't replicate their power anymore (in the video he literally says that lyney and arle are on the level of HT, is that not replicating?). he says that he worries that that WILL happen due to pyro being locked into such a specific role to do its lackluster elemental reactions. this is all made very clear in the video. the "intro" literally reiterates this fact lmao. it does not mention any of the 3 characters you mentioned, instead he talks about the element as a whole, melt, and how single-track pure melt comps have fallen off since the start of the game after dendro's release and all of the new, interesting playstyles that came with it. i think you've just misunderstood the video.
great point about the niches for pyro all filling up .. i'm also interested to see how hoyo will manage the upcoming release of natlan with more playstyles. vars u are the only genshin meta analyst i trust
i like these type of vids so keep it up.
heavily disagree with “lyney needs monopyro.” that’s just blatantly false. his best teams are chev overload and furina variants …
Hey, I was just wondering if you would do some more casual content on some things like world and weekly boss gameplay and design. I feel like it would be an interesting topic to talk about, especially since Arlecchinos’s weekly boss just released.
i heard there is an artifact set that buff u while burning is active so maybe someone does like a kafka thing, detonate the burning. or a pyro does like a pyro follow up attack like klee burst but off field. maybe a cryo xinqiu for melt pyro attacks. a 5 star thoma maybe? maybe a pyro swirl, the more enemy swirled, the more dmg each take, idk
And all of these doesnt matter because the game is too damn easy. You can 36 star the game using 4 star characters
So should I play Arlecchino with both Xingqiu and Beidou? I was thinking maybe I should instead play ilaround with Burning reactions to take advantage of that one Artifact set wihilst having Albedo as a wearer of Archaic Petra to grant shields and Pyro dmg boost
After pulling for Arlecchino now I'm broke🥲
Ill save up till pyro archon comes😅
The only one would probably be a unit specifically targets the burning reaction. And since we have a set for that, I wonder if a unit will come out for that set? (I feel like it's unlikely but theres still a chance, right?)
bennette is over used would be chill to see him benched even if he comes back later on from some othe rmechanic. altho should we pull arlecchino or wait for natlan archon?
I think there's still a few pyro playstyles left for niche units. They just released a burning artifact set, which means a pyro or dendro character focused on amplifying burning could be coming, which is an interesting albeit rather weak reaction. There's also melee characters, a la Heizou and Wriothesley, or designated burdgeon characters (which Thoma sorta is, but he's a 4-star). Even just "similar but different" could work, like a regular catalyst user who doesn't shoot projectiles.
one thing pyro still needs is a fast applier that is more focused on application than xiangling is, with futons and vape neuvi xiangling burst is really difficult to use considering her own particle gen is not good, I guess sort of like a pyro xingqiu is what we’re missing right now consistent off field pyro application that is easier to access than xiangling for less overall damage and a lot longer term than amber
is arlechino worth pulling for eventhough having all 5 star pyro dps with their signature already??
I would say a direction they could still go for Natlan is more/better units for burgeon (right now it’s just thoma) and/or burning. Considering how Chevreuse reinvented overload and we now have an artifact set buffing the burning reaction it seems like that might be the direction they are thinking about going
I love Arlecchino, the other pyro characters ive tried i wasnt fond of them, but when i pulled Arle (mainly becasue she uses a scythe and i love scythe users) her playstyle was so intuitive and easy for me and honestly out of the characters i have on my team she and Neuvillette are scary together and i use them the most.
There may be a possibility that pyro will get a new transformative reaction or a sort of new game changing playstyle that will change how we view pyro.
Like how furina changed healers by making healthbar manipulation a playstyle, they may do the same for natlan.
Is that Fire Emblem: Three Houses OST on the last part?
We need a pyro Neuvillette that scales with DEF.
There's still few transformative reactions that there's no dedicated character yet to tap in pyro department.
- Burgeon. I mean any pyro could do especially Thoma who really excel in it, but we can make dedicated burgeon DPS or Support mayhaps to have secondary Nahida/Baizhu in other team?
- Burning. Burning DPS? Anything wanted to do that? Burning support, while doing burn damage to the enemies the active character in party will not get damaged by burn but instead they will be granted with BoL every time they got hit with burn. Might be good enabler for the recent artifact.
- or Both lol Burgeon and Burning support that also buffs melt or vaporize reaction that comes from Cryo/Hydro character (counter intuitive ik). But the existence of Wriothesley makes Burgeon team comp shine lol. Also it is an attempt to make Cryo great again.
It would make sense for the pyro archon to be one of the only pyro characters of Natlan so they don’t exhaust the element, and she will probably have an passive in her kit similar to Nilou if we are following the line of thought from the video, in order to change the element, be unique and not drop the selling of the other pyro characters (whom by the way, hold the top spots in popularity in the fandom as a whole)
I wonder when they're gonna add a Superconduct/Electro Charged centered character, it'd be interesting on what their kits are like
Eh, the only niche left unexplored is a reliable off-field enabler for pyro, but that may break a lot of teams. Since Thoma is dependent on normal attacks, he doesn't let Neuvi power creep reach levels where Neuvi +1 unit can vape and self-shield, but the moment we get a reliable off-field pyro applier, power creep needs to occur to incentivize pulling for new units, either that or reworking Geo.
I'd say melt is still available. I mean some people do use the melt reaction but I still do think we don't have a dedicated melt character. Also I'm not sure if summons are available or not. I guess xiangling(she's everywhere) with guoba but it more of a filler skill.
There is a few more things they could try like a pyro party wide healer that only buffs bond of life usage characters . 4*( there are too many 5 star characters). Anyone else have cool pyro character ideas ?
tbh i think they could easily make pyro characters that aren't about power and instead act as off field characters like for example we have xiangling you can use her burst and then switch to your main dps of another element like a dendro dps for example you could get continuous pyro damage that way or like bennett buff stats/heal or provide shields like thoma they just have to find a way to make the character more appealing without powercreeping the characters i mentioned just like how at first glance hydro seems like the element of healers but then we have neuvi pyro can seem like the element of damage dealers but have amazing supports so i think there's still hope for new pyro units that don't powercreep but fill niches that are unfulfilled
I think there's still something for pyro like Overload DPS who can ignore the displacement of the reaction ( I mean who can make the enemy not to scatter apart)
What I see happening is a Bennett 2.0 for the archon BUT with a passive that he only buffs for 25% if he is on the same team as bennett. HYV has never done a character specific passive BUT other mobile games do. Rush Royale for example: Ancient Sword gets only 20% of it's buff when combined with Knight Statue. Scrapper needs 7 instead of 3 sacrifices when combined with Dryad. HYV could do something similar
i think it's interesting that both Arle and Childe excellent at AoE elemental dmg and both are fatui harbingers. i don't have wanderer but he seems more single target focused from what limited usage i've had with him, and ofc he's not a harbinger anymore. i'm curious if the AoE is gonna be a theme with other playable harbingers. i could see it representing how global the fatui are or something
I think what they’re really charging with them is normal attackers because if you look all of them seem to focus on normal attacks
I called that this video would be coming thanks to Arlecchino - but not quite how fast it would come. Day after? Damn.
I don't see how she's not on par with neuvilette because she does have the numbers to support this claim and on top of that she can more comfortably tap into reaction teams than neuvilette. Maybe AoE is an iffy bit compared to neuvi but otherwise her damage is pretty much as much or sometimes even more than neuvilette's
We could possibly get a pyro dps that does most of their dmg through their skill (not a self buff just an attack) or a pyro nuker who does all their dmg in their burst and not much else
i will say with the new set for the burning reaction, i think that will be the last nech a pyro char can fill directly without introduceing a new machanic
i think pyro have at least few options in future . Pyro is damage, but theme of damage is really wide, like genshin don have any vaible dot or berseker style (yep Dehya) who turns taken damage is resource. Then i think should be new type of teams, not just main+sub+support, but 4 main like in revolver team or full dot for constant pressure.
I believe hoyo have their Ace in the hole like in hsr.
Genshins gonna have to go the mtg route, where if you can't make more characters with unique roles, just allow them to stack. If the day comes where a better bennett appears, bet your ass that theres gonna be a team running bennett + super bennett for max dmg buffs.
I'm looking forward to a pyro healer with some solid application. Bennett is great but his elemental application is basically not there unless you run sunfire
And here I Thought My Takes Are The Worst In The Community. XD
> Pyro Is Not Based On Lots And Lots Of Damage.
> Amber Has No Pyro Application At All. (Rapid Pyro application Is Like Fischl Or Kuki etc) Not Like Amber's Burst Firing Arrows for 2s Once Every 12s... XD
> Xinyan Also Has No Pyro Application Whatsoever. Plus It's Like A Hydro Character Made For Burning Reaction. Physical Is A Cryo Electro Thing. It Sucks because of how her kit was created (Intentionally).
> Thoma is better than xinyan because he has a little bit of off field pyro application. The problem is that it's not from his skill like kuki shinobu. and is not EM scaling for burgeon.
> Pyro is known for damage not because of the element, but because all the characters are DPSs.
> Good pyro units are not because of the element, but because their kit is executed well. Bad pyro characters are not because of the role of the element. It's because their kit doesn't emphasize on the role they were given.
> there in no notion for pyro that power is everything.
Man I am only 2 minutes into the video and it already sucks.
> verion 3 was just a reverse powercreep version. neither electro, nor hydro character of version 3 did anything that makes them better than electro or hydro characters of previous versions.
> Fontaine didn't equalized seven elements. They just overtuned the characters.
> Lyney is not tan, so why will he be bad? XD
> Power is NOT the source of strength for pyro. We just don't have more off field pyro chracters to use for reactions.
> It's not that different playstyle didn't go too well (Xianyun / Dehya) It's just that they Made their kit ass and didn't gave them enough to fit with the role perfectly.
> just creating a character (Arlecchino) for AOE. Is just a lame excuse for (Pyro MUST be Damage)
> Agreed. Arlecchino's Kit Is Well Exicuted, Unlike a certain dark skinned desert woman who no one cares... XD I Agree Hahahaha
> And That's What I Am Talking About. Hoyo Made Dehya A Desaster INTENTIONALLY. (I Wonder Why XD)
And It has nothing to do with pyro not bieng able to provied defensive utility.
> I don't think it's a healthy approach for arlecchino... (Or Future Units By Extension).
Pyro Needs To Fill More roles just like every other element did.
It's easy. just make a white character to do that job & it will be executed really well.
> Even if dehya was a hydro character, or an electro character, or a geo character, her kit is so bad that it doesn't matter what her element is. It's the same with xinyan. even if she was a cryo or electro or hydro, she would still suck because her kit is split scaling with defense and attack.
> Make pyro fischl, pyro kuki, pyro xingqiu, pyro yelan, everyone will love that.
Man it was hard watching that video.
And even harder reading the comments aggreeing with it... XD
Idc if I should go for Navia or Arle, my Hutao, Yoimiya and Itto are very well built so I don’t really “need” any of them but their gameplay looks fun af
I do wholeheartedly belive that genshin is trying to experiment with adding new combat mechanics (eg bond of life) in order to create new opportunities fo characters to be both interesing and competetive without outright powercreep. Though bol is lackluster right now, in my opinion, I do hold out hope that they will be able to come up with new mechanics that will let future characters be not an insult to the ones that came before them.
Hoyoverse may have to _invent_ a new niche for pyro, and they may do so by taking inspiration from HSR. One thing that comes to mind (amateurish though it may be -- I'm no game designer) is expanding on the idea of a debuff. Generally, the only debuff in Genshin is elemental resistance. Perhaps there's some element of "literally being on fire" that may be used to explain an enemy's ATK debuff, speed debuff, or even losing special abilities. Alternatively, the Jadeplume Terrorshroom (whom we all know and love as "Dendro Chicken") gets a simultaneous buff AND debuff with electro, putting both the player and the enemy in a high-stakes, high-risk, high-reward mode.
I'm not sure if these are good ideas, but they're the best I can invent this fine Saturday morning.
Burning and burgeon specific
although both of these reactions are generally weaker than other options, but why not have some character that can specifically specialize in it with exceptionally high scaling just for those reactions?
I'm still missing an inquisition-type character... one that amplifies burning, somewhat like nilou or chevreuse...
i feel like the reaction is lacking in damage... if i get burnt by an enemy, i lose around a quarter of my life on an not-hp-or-def-scaling character, yet when i burn enemies, even with my 1k em nahida, it feels like the enemy gets tickled...
so yeah... i'd like burning to be explored a little
Do you think Murata will phaseout Benett?
Hoyo can and probably will create new fight mechanics that would make new units be able to have a unique role/gameplay so I'm not really worried, even if powercreep is coming anyway...
May we expect Natlan to have some good focus on burn and burgeon? I mean, we already have a set for that.
rumor is that emilie will be a burn unit whenever she releases (potentially 4.8, last new unit before natlan)
We don't have a character designed around Burning, so that's a niche they can fill, and doing do would dramatically lessen the dominance of Xiangling, since we'd finally have another Pyro off-fielder (And no, unfortunately, Thoma doesn't count) and while we have Chevreuse to make Overloaded more worthwhile for the existing Pyro units, we don't actually have one that justifies building for Overloaded damage over Personal damage, since Chevreuse basically just replaces an Anemo unit for VV and her teams rely on the high personal damage of the units on them. The closest we have would be Electro characters that synergize with EM, like Lisa, Yae Miko, and Cyno, and Overloaded is clearly designed to be a PYRO reaction, given that it does Pyro damage even when triggered by Electro attacks. There are still niches to fill for Pyro, they just rely on not designing new characters around Vaporize.
A pyro sub-dps with consistent off-field application would be nice to help bring cryo back into some relevancy with reverse melt. But beyond that I really can't think of much else that can be done with pyro creatively because of how reaction poor it is.
(Also a cryo sub-dps off-field applier would be heavenly, but I can understand why that doesn't exist... Yet)
the thing is, if they can create characters that can manipulate reactions for pyro like Nilou, they can creater stupidl powerful characters without powercreeping the rest of the rooster, idk like a burning reaction character that burns faster or stronger
So is she worth it before natlan?
Personally I'd love a dedicated burgeon/burning unit. These reactions are fun, but very rarely optimal. The new set gave me some hope tho😊
One mechanic could be storing hp loss into another bar and using a skill to exhaust the bar providing bigger the damage, kinda how sett works in League of Legends. As for the Pyro archon the slime theory is my bet, big DoT.
This video make me wonder what will they do for xbalanque and murata
Arlecchino's kit might look complicated in paper but it's not. Use E>then switch to your supports or wait 5 secs to fully bloom the blood debt mark>charge attack to activate bond of life>normal attack. When low HP just use her burst which is easy to charge and it will also reset her E. That's it.
I'm really hoping an attack scalling shielder and capable of reducing defense instead of elemental resistance
Arle already stands on her own as a pyro Neuvilette.
She may not be quite enough to single handedly bump pyro to the top of the meta heap, but if we get some sort of crazy new four stars in Natlan, like Chevreuse but for burning and burgeon, then pyro will become a strong competitor to the hyrdo / Furina meta. There already is a hint that this is their plan with the new burning artifact set, which doesn't have a clear meta use case at the moment, but likely will as we get into the pyro region.
Arle and bond of life in general, which we probably will see more and wider usage of throughout Natlan, seems designed specifically to counter the Furina meta since it means that Arle doesn't need and can't use a healer at all, which is antithetical to Furina requiring a healer to function.
Cope Gaming does as much if not more damage than her
Wake up bro wake up@@Force-Multiplier
@@Smiles7775 lol cope
hope you won't miss those wasted Primogems
@@Force-Multiplier best primos I spent lol she's wiping floor 12 with level 6 talents, not even her own set
@@Smiles7775 good for you meanwhile my not even C6 Gaming is hitting as hard as the showcase R1 Arlechino's *with his normal non skill plunges* using his skill does double her damage at least ... and thats my Gaming who doesn't even have a 5 stars weapon LOL
how much did he cost? nothing much since i got him as i pulled for Nahida and Xianyun ...
Vars, do note that natlan is on its way, and with the approach mihoyo uses now, pyro would be on of the meta, cus ever since sumeru, each region has its own unique mechanism that shifts the balance of the game, no one knew Fontaine characters would have hp draining mechanisms until Fontaine, and what I see is a descending trend in meta, some patches ago, hyperbloom was the be all and say all for dps because of how f2p friendly it was then, patch 4 came and we started discovering that once you invest in your characters hyperbloom becomes useless and the advent of hp draining mechanisms and healing just threw hyperbloom in the bin, and even dendro characters have dropped in usage rate in abyss, alhaitham that used to be the best dps in the game even based on abyss usage rate is now on par with hutao in the abyss usage rate hovering around 33% usage rate, Nahida has also dropped in ranking as well as in the abyss cus hp draining mechanism and healing is the meta
In conclusion, patch 4.0 would soon be over and neuvillette’s reign as apparent ly the “best dps” in the game would come to an end, in patch 3, alhaitham felt unpowercreepable, then neuvillette came and powercrept alhaitham and his other dps colleague’s, same would happen to Neuvillette in Natlan except we just want to lie to ourselves so, pyro would become a better element in the nearest future
I hope you can make a video on cryo and what it needs to be better
Pyro imo is the third worst element
cryo is second and geo is first (there is no physical.)
nice
With the new artifact set relating to burning, they're probably cooking something up. One last leap for the burning reaction.
Well to be fair they keep creating new nishes like the bond of life, they can just keep creating mechanics, especially when we'll arrive to the Pyro region itself I bet the gonna be more characteristics stacking over the existing ones, the same way nilou and Kabe exist to manipulate reactions
Pyro archon being an off field hybrid support / sub dps would be a dream. (IMO)
Honestly, I'm not so sure that the eye of the proverbial needle you mentioned would be so hard to thread. Genshin still has a LOT of unused mechanics and stats in the game that Pyro could tap into *without* stepping on the toes of other elements. For example, Cooldown Reduction is a main stat in the game that every character has, but almost none use.
While I would 100% agree that they are running through options with Pyro much faster than they are with other elements, I don't necessarily think that the design space for it would be left so small with the region of Natlan just around the corner. Hoyo is good at ignoring its playerbase's demands, but also really good at being 5 steps ahead of popular opinion.
I feel like we need more pyro supports , specifically a 5 star pyro support that’s somewhat like xiangling that can provide off field pyro dmg and allow reactions. I’m hoping the pyro archon will be able to do something similar
I think pyro still have some niches to fill if you think about it in terms of support. For dps? Well...😅
what i find a bit disappointing is that despite having Burning, and pyro being intended as an all out offense element, we don't really have something leaning into the DoT archetype. Also, I personally think it will be extremely hard to powercreep Bennett. Even with a unit that fills the same slot, Bennett being a pyro unit that is a buffer and a healer and a battery all in one is so valuable that having a second character doing the exact same thing will be more likely to be used in conjunction with him to double down on buffs.
So far, Genshin hasn't really powercrept supports at all. All the good supports from V 1.0 (Bennett, Xingqiu, Sucrose, Diona...) are all still extremely strong in their respective fields. The only one one could argue being powercrept is Sucrose, with Kazuha being straight up better than her in a lot of situations. But even then, the difference between Kazuhas Elemental DMG boost and Sucrose's EM share as well as Sucrose having lower field time demands and the ability to work as a driver, they are more sidegrades to each other.
The same for Xingqiu and Yelan, who a) regularly are used together to double down on their strength and batterying each other and b) are very similar in strength when comparing C0 Yelan to C6 Xingqiu.
So... yeah, I cannot see a unit that powercreeps Bennett. Bennett is too universally broken, especially for long-term players who have highly invested in him, have potentially a 5* weapon, C6 etc. The combination of a low field time healer/battery who provides a chunky atk buff could only be powercrept if a unit is released that needs even less field time, is better as a battery and buffs even more without limiting to circle impact. At best, we finally get an alternative for a universal buffer, instead of just a bunch of niche units with very limited applicability.
I like to compare her playstyle to a Berserker-like playstyle. Very squishy and with risky gameplay, but very powerful.
* I mean the Berserker-class of FGO. They are basically weak against every class in defense but also strong against almost all classes in offense (Foreigner being an exception).
Honestly, I hope that Bennett will get powercrept in Natlan. He was too strong for too long.
i hope they release punching catalyst of all elements, it's a very fun playstyle.
We need a pyro dps that does a ton of burngeon damage, it would be great to have dot dps in genshin like kafka in star rail
Few days ago I was complaining about the lack of strong characters in my party, then with a single, hopeless, unpretencious pull I got Arlecchino first try… turns out I can’t upgrade her until I get to Fontaine (I’m currently playing Inazuma Arc lol)
what about a pyro nilou for burning?
While team building, I'm constantly annoyed that there aren't any Pyro units that can apply Pyro as seamlessly as someone like Fischl, Raiden, Xingqiu... And that there aren't any Pyro units that can provide solid healing like someone like Kuki, Yaoyao, Baizhu... So those are some opportunities I'd love to tap into it. For healing, Bennett's field is too restrictive and Chevreuse's healing is mid (and also ties me to Overload comps), and for application, I'd like someone more reliable that doesn't require burst uptime (Xiangling) or specific on-field "traps" (Klee, Dehya). A coordinated Pyro attacker like Xingiu or someone with constant healing like Yaoyao... Those would add a lot to team options when running Cryo or Hydro DPS.
The next pyro unit niche is likely to be burning, as the new artifact set alludes to
I'm surprised they haven't really done anything with Burgeon or Burning reactions
I got a Hu Tao C1 + XQ + Yelan
Should I pull for Arle? (i dont care about character design and story)
nah. keep your hu tao. they’re practically the same damage-wise, and c1 fixed hu tao’s biggest problem anyway. i have c0 hu tao with deathmatch and c0 r2 arle, and i still prefer hu tao lol. i’d save your pulls and see what clorinde and sigewinne have in store
@@baizhu yessir! I'll keep on saving! Thank you for the reply!