I believe that most important factor of Ayaka's downfall was not dendro or Fontaine. Ayaka still has her niche in freeze, and Wriothesley is pretty equal with her, he is considered stronger by some, and weaker by some. The biggest factor in Ayaka's downfall was content switching to more bulky enemies that can't be frozen. Ayaka is still definitely an S tier unit and isn't really that much worse when compared to her peers aside from Neuvillette, which is a pretty mote point since every dps is inferior to Neuvillette. She never really got worse, it's just that content isn't compatible with her anymore. All that it would really take to bring her back to relevance would be more Spiral Abyss chambers with freezable enemies. She's in a Venti situation where she is still broken, it's just that the situations in which she is broken aren't as common as they used to be.
@@HyoukasouWhat I meant is that his placement in the meta is similar to Ayaka's. I didn't mean he is better in freeze teams. Actually, I personally believe that Ayaka is better because she is still able to keep up with Wrio even though content is way more favourable towards him.
That in itself is the downfall... its similar to venti. Trash mobs just are not used in abyss anymore and we literally get double boss abyss cycles sometimes. MHY will not release abyss without bosses anymore hence her downfall.
I agree - she's still great when she's great, but situationally, that's not often in the Abyss. Freeze is just not in a great place right now in the Abyss compared to vape, hyper bloom, and health drain teams, heck... even plunge teams, all do more damage now. It's like Venti - he's still busted OP when the enemies can be sucked up into his vortex, but the Abyss is more or less designed (at high floors) to be "un-Venti-able", so you can't just walk in, use his burst and laugh.
Ganyu have good enough numbers. Just that...charged shot bow dps..that can become ping pong without shield when the enemies are too aggressive is the reason I never use her in abyss
Basically mihoyo focused on freeze reaction more than any other cryo reactions to the point that even the cryo resonance is designed for characters that makes use of freeze only. But now that freeze falls off, an entire group of characters that benefitted from freeze are also falls off as well.
Fr, imo they should eventually change the resonance. Maybe keep the affected by Cryo/Frozen thing, but also give the Crit to attacks that trigger any Cryo related reaction. Also, I would LOVE a "Superconduct Chevreuse" or something similar - Cryo and Electro are my favorite elements and the fact that playing them together only benefits physical damage is so frustrating.
@@soujiokita6062 yeah. An alternative (or even an additional) thing they could do to make physical more relevant is to introduce an off-field physical dps, so that more than 1 character can actually benefit from Superconduct... but if it's only one of the 2, I would rather have something that makes Superconduct useful to Cryo and Electro as well.
@@doug3454I feel like a ranged cryo catalyst user who makes superconduct do more damage when they're in the party(like nilou for bloom) would make a VAST difference in how meta cryo is.
@@anshbasu8160 neat idea, though it would need to be a huge buff and/or the character would probably need to give something else too. Superconduct base dmg is pathetic. Bloom's base dmg is already on the higher end of transformative reactions (only Hyperbloom/Burgeon are higher), but an issue of regular pure Bloom was also smaller AoE + takes either way to long or quite a lot of Dendro/Hydro application for them to start going off and Nilou fixes both of these (in addition to also buffing the dmg). But, as someone who likes hyperinvesting into and minmaxing my favorites (as opposed to just giving someone full EM and calling it a day), I would rather have raw Cryo and Electro dmg buffed in some way when Superconduct is triggered rather than increasing the dmg of Superconduct itself, even if that wouldn't be original anymore (it would literally be Superconduct Chevreuse).
Freeze should be buffed to frostbite... frostbite will freeze enemies and those that cannot be frozen will be slowed and receive increased cryo damage.
@@MrNoms-cn6pxthey should also give us fontaine and sumeru artifact boxes like we're already heading out to natlan, i felt like we were getting shit on for too long
More like Cryo's downfall. Hoyo needs to do a better job with superconduct. Also the fact that theres no reaction with dendro and cryo. But Ayaka's burst still melt bosses that dont move.
Its not like she been powercrept by others much. The abyss these days just doesn't fit her playstyle, and not fit for cryo too. For example, I already lost count on how many times copelia and copellius show up at the last floor or how many times the enemies are resistant to freeze comp, like inquisitor baptyst. Ayaka's not weak but she's not meta already
I have no idea why they love Coppelia/Coppelius so much; I have no issue defeating them (even with my highly invested Anemo/Cryo dmg dealers), but I'm so tired of them being in the abyss.
Copellius isn't even that hard to beat with ayaka, just use furina to one-shot the shield and anemo res that you always have. Max two cycle with ayaka burst
@@putent9623 yes her damage is higher in melt or hypercarry but when you can group up and freeze 10-20+ enemies for eternity while dealing top tier damage is something else, but since most boss can't be freeze her tier just dropped. i love when it rains and there's nothing enemies can do vs my ayaka
Which is extremely rare nowadays. Ayaka and Cryo in general has been getting shafted ever since Dendro/Sumeru released. I rarely use her in abyss ever since getting Nilou and Nahida back in 3.1 & 3.2 and they became my best AOE team.
I mean, I wouldn’t despair yet because her element, Cryo, has yet to actually show up with Snezhnaya. And I doubt Hoyo won’t make any buffs for that element. Can’t wait for the Pyro one!
There is hope in the next two regions which are Pyro, probably bringing some sick melt teams, and Cryo. What she really needs is a unit or mechanic that works with elemental bursts. Anything that even slightly scales bursts can bring her back into the limelight since her burst occupies the highest percentage of her damage potential of any character.
It's not Ayaka herself, it's the enemies. I still use her in Abyss, but what's the point of using Freeze if you can't even group the enemies? Anymore, they're making enemies too heavy.
I'm pretty certain Natlan will buff Pyro with the pyro archon being a pyro support (probably since all archons are supports), and the Pyro sovereign (most likely DPS like NV).
No matter, she will always be my dps. I played genshin because i saw her beta! Im been going on welkin and bp (i stopped both now) to pull her in 2.0! Now i gettin her contellations through reruns and now im awaiting for her final constellation!
Freeze got power crept, just like venti ultimate. Tbh rendering the enemies into immobile damage absorbing sponges was never a good game design, Freeze should have been for a second or 2, not like in genshin anyway, game is not balanced and sloppy
When I first started in Genshin, I knew I wanted Ayaka. So, I got her, and then Sumeru came out a few patches after that, which was my first time reaching floor 11-3 to 12-1. I tried hard to make her work. I mean, afterall, everyone's veteran advice for newer players was, and still is, focus on your first two teams. However, one of my teams wasn't in the condition it needed to be, and the Sumeru abyss did not like Ayaka at all unless she was in optimal condition. Eventually I would get Alhaitham, and the rest would be history as I finally could 36* the abyss, but not with my first ever limited 5*. All of that said, downgrading her into a driver role is where I felt some peace with her and could 36* the abyss with her. I know people say hyperbloom can work without a dedicated DPS or even a 4th member, but I haven't been able to produce that myself. I put her in a hyperbloom+freeze team since the funny "fridge" mechanic still works, even on bosses, and adding a character like Furina over Xingqiu also lets you buff Ayaka's damage too. This is unironically my favorite way to play her in the abyss. It's rather stress-free. There's also a hypercarry version I like to toy around with, but Coppelia/Coppelius makes that difficult to get a clear run. Basically replacing the hydro for Bennett, cryo-infuse Kazuha's burst, Layla for protection and tenacity, and unga bunga. Ayaka might have a place in Imaginarium Theator though. I also have a feeling Natlan won't present an Ayaka buff, but Snezhnaya might. I mean, it's the land of cryo.
shes still strong, you are underselling her value during sumeru, she was my main dps for the concentrated beasts in the abyss during abyss 3.0 era, especially the one with against the double beasts back to back, but I have to agree when fontaine came out, she really had to take a backseat for neuvillette and now arleccino
She didnt exactly fall off, shes still a good cryo dps, the spiral abyss changes and well almost every character gets powercreeped which she still didnt really get. Shes still pretty good.
Great video! I’m sad ayaka has been so powercrept as I got her and shenhe right after dendro came out and I’ve slowly noticed her decline in performance in abyss. I hope freeze receives some buffs as it is such a fun reaction!
She is not power crept. It is just freeze is not working great. Power creeping means new character is more powerful than old ones with same role which is not case with Ayaka
@TechTalk0069 Well except wrio is much better than ayaka and it shows in abyss usage rate. Theres solo c0r1 wrios every other abyss, while ayakas are struggling with full teams to stay relevant. The problem is that inazuma killed all their characters with those ugly 80 er design dps characters, while fontaine characters deal as much damage without needing to use their burst.
@@rurou6530 C0 Wrio I think is below C0 Ayaka but he's more flexible in teams, I guess? Idk, cuz Ayaka can also be used on melt But C1 Wrio is definitely better
Ayala feels so Nostalgic, I remember when I got her during the long Ayala banner. I wish bosses could have a freeze effect that could still trigger the blizzard effect.
I have her c2 , I didn’t get her signature, and I don’t regret having her , I don’t really play her often anymore, because of Wrio but I’m not forgetting her either
Ayaka is still my favorite character and she is always in my exploration team. Others just come and stay until their friendship level is 10, but Ayaka always stays
I know it's a bit unrelated, but that AI art in the intro and outro is really bugging me- Like, Ayaka was one of the most popular characters in the game, there is so, so so much amazing fanart of her, with so much diversity. Like, using AI is just redundant, even putting the ethicacy issues aside. That aside, it was an informative video and I liked it quite a bit, good to see some deeper dives into the genshin meta history. Just.. yeah, as much of a nitpick it may be, it does kinda bring it down
ayaka with her most premium team gets pretty good clear times on the abyss, and even when she was at the top of the meta she was never able to freeze bosses so idk why this makes her a c tier now .. honestly its just that after neuvillete was released people have been making it seem like every other dps character is obsolete which is really annoying and not true, the meta is so dum.b literally any 5 star dps character can 36 star the abyss, why be so sweaty and want faster clear times when hoyo doesn't give any rewards after 36 stars...
There literally have only been two consecutive versions in which freeze truly didn’t work - 4.5 and 4.6. Everything past that was very much doable for freeze on one of the sides. And even despite all that, Ayaka premium is still one of the most used teams even in content that specifically targeted freeze. People are quick to jump to conclusions and shout all is lost.
I didn't even want her but I had nothing else to do when her forever banner happened so I pulled, got her, and ended up really liking her. She carried me through the abyss for the longest so I'm annoyed to see what they've done to her now...😔
I mean ,true i may not use freeze ayaka much, but her melt comp still shreds tanky bosses as long as they don't require specific element or dive underground and fly.
Wrio definitely didn’t overthrow ayaka. He averages 10k less dps than ayaka. He’s just more flexible but his rev melt and freeze teams are honestly scuffed. Also wrio is pretty locked into ST.
Ayaka is still really strong in the right content. She suffers from the Venti problem. Both sides of the current abyss have heavily cryo resistant enemies. Thats including the Fatui operatives. Once the operatives and the Cappelia/Coppellous rotate out of the abyss she'll be good again.
Yeah no. Nothing changed with Ayaka, and lack of dendro teams is a nothingburger. The only thing that changed is that abyss is full of enemies that can't be frozen. That's literally it.
I started playing genshin around 3.X versions and got Ayaka and Mika in my first 10 pulls in the game. Since she was an Inazuman character, her ascension items were region locked. Ironically Mika brought more value to my account for being a healer and his exploration passive since all my characters were from mondstadt.
here's to hoping that, with the release of snezhnaya, freeze teams make a comeback. it's my favorite reaction, and cryo is my favorite element, but abyss has a habit of checking all my best characters and go-to teams so I don't get to bring them to the end game like I always dreamed of :( if they do make a comeback then I think all the ayaka fans will be very happy lol (Kaeya was my first main, followed soon after by Wrio, my first ever 5*. I genuinely like Qiqi, Chongyun is one of my go-to characters especially w/ Kaeya, and Layla is my go-to shielder (sorry Thoma). I seriously cannot overstate how much I love cryo and how much of a complete pain in the neck enemies with cryo shields are for me to get over LMAO)
I'm an Ayaka fan but I've been benching her for a bit, I don't even know if I want to pull for Shenhe anymore. She's the last piece I'm missing for Ayaka's premium team, but I fear I won't even be able to use it in the next abysses :(
As someone who did like or want ayaka I'm glad things are playing out the way they did i would have been forced to play like everyone else which sucks the joy out of the end game and would force us into a backwards mindset of (is it good for ayaka team or skip) that would leave much of the other characters being unused i believe the game is in a much healthier state that what it was in 2.0 and she deserves a buff that puts her up to standers with current dps
Nah. They fed her pretty well. Look at the cryo resonance. It is completely designed around her. Ganyu can make use of it but Melt Wriothesley cant make use of it at all.
@@ziebus904 Cryo resonance is fine wdym, it works well with mono cryo, freeze, and bloom teams well. that crit rate isnt anything to scoff at, all cryo elemental dps have 0 crit issues and all hit hard. Ayaka "isnt as good" due to some current enemies not having a vulnerability phase and just being more squishy to compensate. Ayaka is amazing vs bulky bosses or freezable enemies and thats fine, she's great but lacks flexibility in her dps distribution making her amazing for some content and "meh" for others. Cryo resonance only sucks for phys dps and melt comps.
@@Fuphu ok what gives you resonance....crit. ok what if you habe enough...or you run marechose....then its useless....not to mention it locks you in using this dogshit blizzard and doesnt work half the time....compare that to hydro dendro pyro electro or geo they all give you better stuff
@@ziebus904 Cryo gives crit rate, the most important stat in terms of high end damage dealing. You only need to have an enemy with cryo applied on them but having them frozen also works. If you have marechausse then thats a free 56% crit rate including base 5% crit rate and 0 crit rate in artifacts, having blizzard strayer makes that from 56% to 60% and gives cryo damage. Cryo resonance is amazing to abuse in the right teams but might still get a buff in the future due to it having 0 lingering duration. Crit rate pretty much boosts most damage including some reactions by proxy of crits affecting some elemental reactions. Also you can use it on physical characters to build a ton of damage on them as long as you dont have a constant electro application. IMO the worst elemental resonance has to be between dendro and hydro, dendro gives 100 EM but there's very few instances of having more than one dendro character on a team, and hydro is good but is only really useful for a few hp scaling DPS. Cryo follows immidiately after those two simply due to no lingering effect. TLDR for the last paragraph: When cryo resonance works it works well, when dendro and hydro resonance works then its good but not as impactful and is limited in team comps and how often you'll use them outside of specific units. (cryo suffers similarly but not to the same extent)
when it comes to freeze teams Ayaka is still the best DPS for pure and heavy cryo damage imo Characters like Wriothesly are considered good not because they’re more powerful but because they don’t require a team as premium as Ayaka freeze (tbf just being good in melt teams makes you easier to play and f2p friendlier than ayaka and it’s never even close) Even by todays standards she still does crazy dmg But we never get to see that anymore coz hyv stopped focusing on making things Ayaka friendly I knew it was Joever when I couldn’t even comfortably run her in abyss anymore (basically since 3.8/4.0, I started in 3.0 and she was my best dps so uh that was devastating)
Cryo is the new Geo only because Hoyo has no idea how to balance Freeze. Allow it to freeze every enemy and it becomes the most OP element, put limits on it like what they did and the element fall apart, and since Ayaka is the defacto freeze character.......
One solution they could try is to make unfreezable enemies debuffed in some other way, like a slowdown in both movement speed and attack rate. That single change would make cryo more relevant even in the current meta.
A great solution would also be to add a multiplier to the reaction. Vaporization damage caused by both elements applied on top of each other (Hydro 2.0× Pyro 1.5×) Melt (Pyro 2.0× Cryo 1.5×) Cryo doesn't have a 100% focused reaction, which in my opinion would be Freeze, but freezing is an aura, a state of freezing and not a reaction in itself. (Cryo and hydro) do not have a multiplier over each other. could be (cryo 2.0× hydro 1.5×)
I agree with the analysis generally. Ayaka is still great when she's great (when enemies can be frozen), but situationally, that's not often in the Abyss. Freeze is just not in a great place right now in the Abyss compared to vape, hyper bloom, and health drain teams, heck... even plunge teams, all do more damage now with high Abyss floors. We have way more ways to do damage these days in Genshin and Ayaka freeze just isn't the most damage-dealing team, especially at lower investment. Ayaka really needs teammates like Kazuha, Mona, Kokomi, Roasari, Shenhe, etc. to really shine. She is like Venti - he's still busted OP when the enemies can be sucked up into his vortex - try him in the overworld and you realize he's the game's easy mode. But the Abyss is more or less designed (at high floors) to be "un-Venti-able", so you can't just walk in, use his burst and laugh. Hoyo wants you to pull for new characters, so they shift the META around newer characters, and Ayaka has been in the game since day 1 (although not playable until 1.6) and was designed for year 1 and year 2 content IMO. But Year 3 and 4 content IMO is just not meant to be done with Ayaka. The prevalence of element checks - lots of cryo shields now - in the Abyss are sort of the end of Ayaka's prevalence because she has no answer for them... maybe in Natlan she'll be good again.
man i havent used her since 8-9 months or more i forgot she is in my acc...SHE HELPED ME ALOT BACK THEN BUT NOW META HAS CHANGED AND CRYO IS BARELY GOOD NOW!
Furina is still great with ayaka. And sure it is harder to clear abyss with ayaka especially now since both sides include a cryo shield. But its still possible to beat coppelius if you use furina with ayaka. Thanks to that i was able to clear the top side of abyss with an ayaya team
Furina not working well with ayaka is arguably the biggest BS I've ever heard. Furina does work with her if you don't have shenhe and run charlotte instead.
Furina works with her but if you run freeze team in an un- freezable content...then you will miss lot of burst ...cause her burst is easier for enemies to dodge then hilichurl 's rock attack
@@soujiokita6062 that doesn't counter my argument at all. Of course you won't run a freeze team in such content. Genshin is not a 1 team clear game. Still, Furina IS one of her best support cuz she can buff ayaka's ult. Which is most of her damage
She works well rhat I won’t deny (I’ve run them before) The problem lies with using them against non freezable enemies (like the abyss enemies for a while now) Not only are you taking away the survivability by taking kokomi out the team Ur also making it harder for yourself by running Furina who takes any teams risk factor a level higher Maybe In the land of cryo we’re gonna see freeze meta return (praying)
Ayaka was always and still is my favourite unit, i have her built wirh huge time investment, giving her just a little under 300% CDMG and (with the freeze set bonus) 100% Crit rate. Triple crowned, signature weapon (R1, C0). With all that being said, Ayaka performs way worse than for example Alhaitham because of 1) Reactions and 2) that enemies in the abyss. For example the current one features those 2 unbelievably tanky, freeze resistant and mobile fencer women released with fortaine. As long as these enemies reign the abyss, there's no place for ayaka. Give us say pyro cubes, hydro enemies and a bit less mobile enemies that can be frozen again and she'll rise to the top again
It depends ...... She dominated an entire patch cycle , similar to ganyu / hu tao in the 1.0 patches..not to forget venti. Thats still amazing value. This game just doesnt have variety in its endgame. If there was a rogue like mode or some other modes which buffed certain reactions its a different story.
That's not the point of this topic but anyways, ofc yes she's great btw, in my personal top dpses she comes in top 6 after the big 3,she's definitely in elite 3 alongside Tao,Navia. She's insane at her playground that is Freeze,will remain forever as that. All that aside ,am not an Ayaka main or even part of my favs but will say that she's cute
She is still good but spiral abyss enemies become harder to freeze, like some enemies they will be unfreeazble and freeze become useless option here. Dendro and electro is best reaction to have for now. If mihoyo return freeze action to all enemies she will be the top character for sure.
ayaka is balanced around freeze so when freeze gets fucked she gets fucked and this has been happening since 2.4 which is when ganyu fell off ayaka could hold on abit longer through sheer numbers and being less venti reliant but we haven't really had a good abyss for freeze since nilou's release abyss nilou teams imo completely took over the freeze niche nilou shines in the same situations as freeze but with more damage lower investment needs higher floors(lower ceilings)and also works in more situations since there are fewer dendro immune/resistant enemies ,she doesn't need enemies to be freezable she can actually handle boss content (without 5* weapons or cons all you need is c2 collie+clam on your healer since she help you frontload a ton of blooms) and mobile enemies don't hinder her rn hoyo seems to like the abyss setup of 2bosses+one AoE or 2AoE+1boss and since they also love the dancing robots and their 70%cryo res all AoE teams are forced to have some kind of ST coverage and vice versa while ayaka can cover both so that's not the problem the issue is hoyo's holy trinity of enemies coppelius+coppelia/baptist/time wasters (wenut/robot wenut) that they bring out every abyss and ayaka cant counter them bc massive cryo resist/cant break the cryo shield/she burst animation is as long as their dpsable window and since you don't know where they're gonna pop up precasting isn't an option ayaka dosent work bc hoyo dosent want her to work she is still strong we just need an abyss without a million cryo resists and shell be great (for that abyss) but thats also the issue with her its too easy to make her not work people like to talk about how nilou is niche since she can only use hydro and dendro but she can perform well in almost any scenario while someone like venti can be slotted almost anywhere but is situation niche that you have to wait for hoyo to stop shitting on him from him to work and ayake gets to be situation and team niche so thats fun for her
Im sad about Ayaka, I didnt get her losing two 50/50 to Mon and and finally got her on her last rerun, I had her weapon long before I had her. I really do not like her playstyle. I think Shenhe will have more staying power than Ayaka. Freeze is not that good.
im dying at 1:31 anyon putting itto at ss is delusional also ayaka isnt bad, its simoply that, the content is so anti cyro its crazy look at all the bosses u cant freeze or w cryo resistance
would i recommend pulling for her? in the past yes 100% but now she's too expensive and other recent characters powercreeps her dmg at low investment. look if you have ayaka since then, shes still very playable and fun (i have her). but the meta rn, hoyo didnt want for everything to rely on bursts and decided to make characters that rely on skill or reactions. now imagine the same dmg on ayaka but in skill form. if characters are like that now, why would you pull for ayaka? and to answer your question, she can still clear abyss.. just takes a lot of brain power which is very frustrating at times unlike fontaine characters just random shi go
The tier list shown, IMO, is biased against Cryo. Shenhe is the only cryo unit in A tier or higher, when she's basically just a cryo support. Basically the only thing she can do outside of cryo-focused teams is be a NO holder and have minor off field cryo application with her burst. She shouldn't be higher tier then the DPS units in her element. I agree with most of the comments saying she's good against freezeable enemies, but by no means does that mean she's bad on freeze resistant or immune enemies.
Ok why kazuha better than scara if he just buffs and does no dmg why is furina higher than neuvile why is zhongli higher than navia nahida than alhaitham
Kazuha has common use on teams for his grouping and swirl where he is the only Anemo unit and is not or anywhere near being a “Support to Anemo DPS”, Zhongli has common use for his shielding on teams where he is the only Geo unit and is not or anywhere near being a “Support to Geo DPS”. Nahida has uses on teams where she is the only Dendro unit due to her own consistent Dendro application and support buffs, and is not strictly a “Support to Dendro DPS”. Shenhe, on the other hand, has no supportive capabilities for characters that don’t deal Cryo or Physical damage, where the only usable Physical Damage unit is also Cryo. Kazuha, Zhongli and Nahida are ranked higher than or equally to some of their element’s DPS’s because they aren’t restricted to those teams to provide a majority of their support
What HYV did with Ayaka is not ok, here is why. The real, baseline, good Ayaka team is C0Ayaka/C0Kazuha/C0Kokomi/C1Shenhe/R1Mistsplitter, that is 800 wishes (1600$) on everage. Since Ayaka was only good from 2.0 till 3.0, these 800 wishes had expiration date of one year and at the same time 800 wishes was about as much as f2p could get, on maximum, in that year. The thing is that Ayaka was not the only charqacter released in Iazuma, so many people did spend that 1600$ on Ayaka. I know it's a gacha, but 1600$ thrown into trash, after one year, in a video game, feels scummy. It was a full year long scam.
She is one of the biggest losers of Dendros introduction. Cryo wasn't great when she was introduced, but Dendro and its Reactions being so much better made her just so much more inedaquate in comparison. Why use a Cryo character, when you can just use a Dendro-team that is so much more effective for less investment?
Eh, I think Sacrificial Sword is still his best weapon. You never want to be without your rainswords, and being able to burst every rotation is essential for team DPS.
Imma be real when it comes to melt for cryo there's literally no options Nahida applies pyro yippee but kazuha us better as he applies and buffs For ganyu her best melt team is STILL Kazuha,bennet,xiangling These are literally 1.0-1.5 characters We have no new pyro applier except xiangling Look at pyro Furina,yelan Yelan is a copy paste xinqui So why can't we have another copy past xiangling? Same thing for bennet We haven't had a CC unit in ages if we get a pyro cc unit Cryo might actually come back
I believe that most important factor of Ayaka's downfall was not dendro or Fontaine. Ayaka still has her niche in freeze, and Wriothesley is pretty equal with her, he is considered stronger by some, and weaker by some. The biggest factor in Ayaka's downfall was content switching to more bulky enemies that can't be frozen. Ayaka is still definitely an S tier unit and isn't really that much worse when compared to her peers aside from Neuvillette, which is a pretty mote point since every dps is inferior to Neuvillette. She never really got worse, it's just that content isn't compatible with her anymore. All that it would really take to bring her back to relevance would be more Spiral Abyss chambers with freezable enemies. She's in a Venti situation where she is still broken, it's just that the situations in which she is broken aren't as common as they used to be.
Wrio is nowhere near equal. His freeze teams are very scuffed/better for ST. He’s better for mono or melt.
@@HyoukasouWhat I meant is that his placement in the meta is similar to Ayaka's. I didn't mean he is better in freeze teams. Actually, I personally believe that Ayaka is better because she is still able to keep up with Wrio even though content is way more favourable towards him.
Wriothesley is not equal to her. He's better.
@@D4C_267 Not really. He's a bit difficult to do freeze with because his aoe is so small. Ayaka is way better at freeze.
@@D4C_267 that’s factually incorrect. Ayaka teams average a 65k dps while Wrio’s average 55k
there's no downfall.. mihoyo just randomly changes the enemies in the abyss..
That in itself is the downfall... its similar to venti. Trash mobs just are not used in abyss anymore and we literally get double boss abyss cycles sometimes.
MHY will not release abyss without bosses anymore hence her downfall.
@@YukiZero power levels don't go down. only usage rate. navia is strong but her usage rate is down in this current abyss..
Yep that's pretty much it
I agree - she's still great when she's great, but situationally, that's not often in the Abyss. Freeze is just not in a great place right now in the Abyss compared to vape, hyper bloom, and health drain teams, heck... even plunge teams, all do more damage now.
It's like Venti - he's still busted OP when the enemies can be sucked up into his vortex, but the Abyss is more or less designed (at high floors) to be "un-Venti-able", so you can't just walk in, use his burst and laugh.
@@lordkaiser1404 i did not say power levels. its more to usability... her downfall is that she isnt that useful anymore
I still remember when Ganyu was top tier DPS
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diluc was, and now he's like borderline playable. thanks to xianyun diluc got some attention again
Ganyu have good enough numbers. Just that...charged shot bow dps..that can become ping pong without shield when the enemies are too aggressive is the reason I never use her in abyss
shes still usable with furina rn, pair her up with charlotte, and she goes crazy provided u can freeze, melt ganyu still kicking ass tho
Basically mihoyo focused on freeze reaction more than any other cryo reactions to the point that even the cryo resonance is designed for characters that makes use of freeze only. But now that freeze falls off, an entire group of characters that benefitted from freeze are also falls off as well.
Fr, imo they should eventually change the resonance. Maybe keep the affected by Cryo/Frozen thing, but also give the Crit to attacks that trigger any Cryo related reaction. Also, I would LOVE a "Superconduct Chevreuse" or something similar - Cryo and Electro are my favorite elements and the fact that playing them together only benefits physical damage is so frustrating.
@@doug3454and the fact physical damage is dead right now ... Only EULA keeping it from leaving it's last breathe because of her thighs
@@soujiokita6062 yeah. An alternative (or even an additional) thing they could do to make physical more relevant is to introduce an off-field physical dps, so that more than 1 character can actually benefit from Superconduct... but if it's only one of the 2, I would rather have something that makes Superconduct useful to Cryo and Electro as well.
@@doug3454I feel like a ranged cryo catalyst user who makes superconduct do more damage when they're in the party(like nilou for bloom) would make a VAST difference in how meta cryo is.
@@anshbasu8160 neat idea, though it would need to be a huge buff and/or the character would probably need to give something else too.
Superconduct base dmg is pathetic.
Bloom's base dmg is already on the higher end of transformative reactions (only Hyperbloom/Burgeon are higher), but an issue of regular pure Bloom was also smaller AoE + takes either way to long or quite a lot of Dendro/Hydro application for them to start going off and Nilou fixes both of these (in addition to also buffing the dmg).
But, as someone who likes hyperinvesting into and minmaxing my favorites (as opposed to just giving someone full EM and calling it a day), I would rather have raw Cryo and Electro dmg buffed in some way when Superconduct is triggered rather than increasing the dmg of Superconduct itself, even if that wouldn't be original anymore (it would literally be Superconduct Chevreuse).
ayaka was my first 5 star so she'll have a special place in my heart no matter what!
Freeze should be buffed to frostbite... frostbite will freeze enemies and those that cannot be frozen will be slowed and receive increased cryo damage.
THIS. THIS. THIS.
Pffft as if Mihoyo would do that if anything they should buff Geo first before even touching freeze
@@MrNoms-cn6pxthey should also give us fontaine and sumeru artifact boxes like we're already heading out to natlan, i felt like we were getting shit on for too long
I love this and hope she will come back soon
@@krizos5305 i don’t thing we will anytime soon. We still have the desert set to be strong boxed.
More like Cryo's downfall. Hoyo needs to do a better job with superconduct. Also the fact that theres no reaction with dendro and cryo. But Ayaka's burst still melt bosses that dont move.
Its not like she been powercrept by others much. The abyss these days just doesn't fit her playstyle, and not fit for cryo too. For example, I already lost count on how many times copelia and copellius show up at the last floor or how many times the enemies are resistant to freeze comp, like inquisitor baptyst. Ayaka's not weak but she's not meta already
I have no idea why they love Coppelia/Coppelius so much; I have no issue defeating them (even with my highly invested Anemo/Cryo dmg dealers), but I'm so tired of them being in the abyss.
@@doug3454 It’s those dev shit heads trying to make people pull for Fontaine characters
Copellius isn't even that hard to beat with ayaka, just use furina to one-shot the shield and anemo res that you always have. Max two cycle with ayaka burst
The icewind suite single handedly slapped her out of the top of the meta
She was outta there for a while honestly
she is still top tier when you can freeze
Melt don't forget
Bro her dps is higher in hypercarry and melt then freeze and her dps is VERY high. Remember her burst is the highest scaling burst in the game.
@@putent9623 yes her damage is higher in melt or hypercarry but when you can group up and freeze 10-20+ enemies for eternity while dealing top tier damage is something else, but since most boss can't be freeze her tier just dropped. i love when it rains and there's nothing enemies can do vs my ayaka
Which is extremely rare nowadays. Ayaka and Cryo in general has been getting shafted ever since Dendro/Sumeru released. I rarely use her in abyss ever since getting Nilou and Nahida back in 3.1 & 3.2 and they became my best AOE team.
Freeze doesnt make you do more dmg....
I mean, I wouldn’t despair yet because her element, Cryo, has yet to actually show up with Snezhnaya. And I doubt Hoyo won’t make any buffs for that element. Can’t wait for the Pyro one!
There is hope in the next two regions which are Pyro, probably bringing some sick melt teams, and Cryo. What she really needs is a unit or mechanic that works with elemental bursts. Anything that even slightly scales bursts can bring her back into the limelight since her burst occupies the highest percentage of her damage potential of any character.
ayaka is not melt character, wriothesley will be buffed by melt but not Ayaka sadly
It's not Ayaka herself, it's the enemies.
I still use her in Abyss, but what's the point of using Freeze if you can't even group the enemies? Anymore, they're making enemies too heavy.
They must go on a diet... 😂
everybody gangsta till they add -70 cryo res enemies in natlan
I'm pretty certain Natlan will buff Pyro with the pyro archon being a pyro support (probably since all archons are supports), and the Pyro sovereign (most likely DPS like NV).
@@YukiZerothere are leaks that says that cryo and hydro(obv) will be in advantage in Natlan
Leaks suggest Cryo and Hydro will get a very huge buff in Natlan. Reverse melt baby!!
No matter, she will always be my dps. I played genshin because i saw her beta! Im been going on welkin and bp (i stopped both now) to pull her in 2.0! Now i gettin her contellations through reruns and now im awaiting for her final constellation!
A character that buffs freeze reaction will save her. She's good. it's just freeze, can't freaze bosses.
You cant buff that because freeze is aura not reaction
buffing freeze won't do anything since it doesn't amplify your damage lmao
@@arcofhellLmAooo
Freeze is already busted
there is no need to buff it
hoyo is clearly avoiding freezable abyss just to not make the content too easy
@@arcofhell have you heard about chevy
Freeze got power crept, just like venti ultimate. Tbh rendering the enemies into immobile damage absorbing sponges was never a good game design, Freeze should have been for a second or 2, not like in genshin anyway, game is not balanced and sloppy
When I first started in Genshin, I knew I wanted Ayaka. So, I got her, and then Sumeru came out a few patches after that, which was my first time reaching floor 11-3 to 12-1. I tried hard to make her work. I mean, afterall, everyone's veteran advice for newer players was, and still is, focus on your first two teams. However, one of my teams wasn't in the condition it needed to be, and the Sumeru abyss did not like Ayaka at all unless she was in optimal condition. Eventually I would get Alhaitham, and the rest would be history as I finally could 36* the abyss, but not with my first ever limited 5*.
All of that said, downgrading her into a driver role is where I felt some peace with her and could 36* the abyss with her. I know people say hyperbloom can work without a dedicated DPS or even a 4th member, but I haven't been able to produce that myself. I put her in a hyperbloom+freeze team since the funny "fridge" mechanic still works, even on bosses, and adding a character like Furina over Xingqiu also lets you buff Ayaka's damage too. This is unironically my favorite way to play her in the abyss. It's rather stress-free. There's also a hypercarry version I like to toy around with, but Coppelia/Coppelius makes that difficult to get a clear run. Basically replacing the hydro for Bennett, cryo-infuse Kazuha's burst, Layla for protection and tenacity, and unga bunga.
Ayaka might have a place in Imaginarium Theator though. I also have a feeling Natlan won't present an Ayaka buff, but Snezhnaya might. I mean, it's the land of cryo.
Dw. The last region is literally land of snow. So probably all the cryo characters will get a new good support.
Ayaka is my second highest invested character
I even got her signature
As long I can clear abyss I'll not complain
shes still strong, you are underselling her value during sumeru, she was my main dps for the concentrated beasts in the abyss during abyss 3.0 era, especially the one with against the double beasts back to back, but I have to agree when fontaine came out, she really had to take a backseat for neuvillette and now arleccino
Her downfall is constantly appearing Coppelius in abyss
Enemies that can’t be freezed should have a different effect like a slow or similar to a burning reaction
She didnt exactly fall off, shes still a good cryo dps, the spiral abyss changes and well almost every character gets powercreeped which she still didnt really get. Shes still pretty good.
Great video! I’m sad ayaka has been so powercrept as I got her and shenhe right after dendro came out and I’ve slowly noticed her decline in performance in abyss. I hope freeze receives some buffs as it is such a fun reaction!
Its not powercrep its just that freeze is dog shit against bosses and she doesn't have any good teams outside of it
Pretty sure 5.0 is about to bring Freeze back to the meta
She is not power crept. It is just freeze is not working great. Power creeping means new character is more powerful than old ones with same role which is not case with Ayaka
@TechTalk0069
Well except wrio is much better than ayaka and it shows in abyss usage rate.
Theres solo c0r1 wrios every other abyss, while ayakas are struggling with full teams to stay relevant.
The problem is that inazuma killed all their characters with those ugly 80 er design dps characters, while fontaine characters deal as much damage without needing to use their burst.
@@rurou6530 C0 Wrio I think is below C0 Ayaka but he's more flexible in teams, I guess? Idk, cuz Ayaka can also be used on melt
But C1 Wrio is definitely better
I just realised how i havent been using ayaka at all in the abyss for a long time now
Ayala feels so Nostalgic, I remember when I got her during the long Ayala banner. I wish bosses could have a freeze effect that could still trigger the blizzard effect.
I have her c2 , I didn’t get her signature, and I don’t regret having her , I don’t really play her often anymore, because of Wrio but I’m not forgetting her either
Ayaka is still my favorite character and she is always in my exploration team. Others just come and stay until their friendship level is 10, but Ayaka always stays
the fall of freeze and groupable enemies basically cause enemies on abyss are not suitable
I’ve double-crowned her, but since Sumeru, she just got benched.
I know it's a bit unrelated, but that AI art in the intro and outro is really bugging me-
Like, Ayaka was one of the most popular characters in the game, there is so, so so much amazing fanart of her, with so much diversity.
Like, using AI is just redundant, even putting the ethicacy issues aside.
That aside, it was an informative video and I liked it quite a bit, good to see some deeper dives into the genshin meta history.
Just.. yeah, as much of a nitpick it may be, it does kinda bring it down
been using her in the abyss for a year and months, her premium team still shreds enemies. except for that copellia and copellious.
I just swap out kazu kokomi to furina, jean when i want to break copelius shield.
She is still strong
Use Melt team instead of freeze
ayaka with her most premium team gets pretty good clear times on the abyss, and even when she was at the top of the meta she was never able to freeze bosses so idk why this makes her a c tier now .. honestly its just that after neuvillete was released people have been making it seem like every other dps character is obsolete which is really annoying and not true, the meta is so dum.b literally any 5 star dps character can 36 star the abyss, why be so sweaty and want faster clear times when hoyo doesn't give any rewards after 36 stars...
There literally have only been two consecutive versions in which freeze truly didn’t work - 4.5 and 4.6. Everything past that was very much doable for freeze on one of the sides. And even despite all that, Ayaka premium is still one of the most used teams even in content that specifically targeted freeze. People are quick to jump to conclusions and shout all is lost.
I didn't even want her but I had nothing else to do when her forever banner happened so I pulled, got her, and ended up really liking her. She carried me through the abyss for the longest so I'm annoyed to see what they've done to her now...😔
I mean ,true i may not use freeze ayaka much, but her melt comp still shreds tanky bosses as long as they don't require specific element or dive underground and fly.
great video for less than 100 subs! keep up the good work and im sure you'll be at 1k in no time!
Thank you:))
I think theyll probaly release a new artifact set that will buff Cryo units in the future
Even Aether leave Ayaka for Yoimiya...😢
I’m going to be honest I forgot about Ayaka
Wrio definitely didn’t overthrow ayaka. He averages 10k less dps than ayaka. He’s just more flexible but his rev melt and freeze teams are honestly scuffed. Also wrio is pretty locked into ST.
Cope more. Wirothelsey is better than her even without character that synergize with his melt teams well. Hes gonna put ayaka in the dirt in natlan.
@@D4C_267 wrio is an ST locked character with a mediocre dps.
@@Hyoukasou Maybe you built him wrong?
@@persephonehades7547 what I said is factual. Not just from personal testing from sims as well
Cant freeze bosses.
Most enemies are quite mobile.
Not good at multiple waves since she’s very burst reliant unless you have high er + battery.
So in short she is garbage 💀
Ayaka is still really strong in the right content. She suffers from the Venti problem. Both sides of the current abyss have heavily cryo resistant enemies. Thats including the Fatui operatives. Once the operatives and the Cappelia/Coppellous rotate out of the abyss she'll be good again.
Yeah no. Nothing changed with Ayaka, and lack of dendro teams is a nothingburger.
The only thing that changed is that abyss is full of enemies that can't be frozen. That's literally it.
I remember pulling her she was so strong but now i just use her as a sub dps for hu tao
I started playing genshin around 3.X versions and got Ayaka and Mika in my first 10 pulls in the game. Since she was an Inazuman character, her ascension items were region locked. Ironically Mika brought more value to my account for being a healer and his exploration passive since all my characters were from mondstadt.
Well guess whos back after Natlan Release? Cryo and Hydro
Like they didnt release suanai in 4.4.....
here's to hoping that, with the release of snezhnaya, freeze teams make a comeback. it's my favorite reaction, and cryo is my favorite element, but abyss has a habit of checking all my best characters and go-to teams so I don't get to bring them to the end game like I always dreamed of :( if they do make a comeback then I think all the ayaka fans will be very happy lol
(Kaeya was my first main, followed soon after by Wrio, my first ever 5*. I genuinely like Qiqi, Chongyun is one of my go-to characters especially w/ Kaeya, and Layla is my go-to shielder (sorry Thoma). I seriously cannot overstate how much I love cryo and how much of a complete pain in the neck enemies with cryo shields are for me to get over LMAO)
Now I know why fate is preventing me to get Ayaka. After all this time. It is telling me that I will get something much better than her.
No offense to the Ayaka fans and mains out there.
I'm an Ayaka fan but I've been benching her for a bit, I don't even know if I want to pull for Shenhe anymore. She's the last piece I'm missing for Ayaka's premium team, but I fear I won't even be able to use it in the next abysses :(
As someone who did like or want ayaka I'm glad things are playing out the way they did i would have been forced to play like everyone else which sucks the joy out of the end game and would force us into a backwards mindset of (is it good for ayaka team or skip) that would leave much of the other characters being unused i believe the game is in a much healthier state that what it was in 2.0 and she deserves a buff that puts her up to standers with current dps
They did her dirty
Nah. They fed her pretty well. Look at the cryo resonance. It is completely designed around her. Ganyu can make use of it but Melt Wriothesley cant make use of it at all.
@@Yelan-n8d cryo resonance is one of the reasons why cryo is bad....
@@ziebus904 Cryo resonance is fine wdym, it works well with mono cryo, freeze, and bloom teams well. that crit rate isnt anything to scoff at, all cryo elemental dps have 0 crit issues and all hit hard.
Ayaka "isnt as good" due to some current enemies not having a vulnerability phase and just being more squishy to compensate. Ayaka is amazing vs bulky bosses or freezable enemies and thats fine, she's great but lacks flexibility in her dps distribution making her amazing for some content and "meh" for others.
Cryo resonance only sucks for phys dps and melt comps.
@@Fuphu ok what gives you resonance....crit. ok what if you habe enough...or you run marechose....then its useless....not to mention it locks you in using this dogshit blizzard and doesnt work half the time....compare that to hydro dendro pyro electro or geo they all give you better stuff
@@ziebus904 Cryo gives crit rate, the most important stat in terms of high end damage dealing.
You only need to have an enemy with cryo applied on them but having them frozen also works.
If you have marechausse then thats a free 56% crit rate including base 5% crit rate and 0 crit rate in artifacts, having blizzard strayer makes that from 56% to 60% and gives cryo damage.
Cryo resonance is amazing to abuse in the right teams but might still get a buff in the future due to it having 0 lingering duration.
Crit rate pretty much boosts most damage including some reactions by proxy of crits affecting some elemental reactions.
Also you can use it on physical characters to build a ton of damage on them as long as you dont have a constant electro application.
IMO the worst elemental resonance has to be between dendro and hydro, dendro gives 100 EM but there's very few instances of having more than one dendro character on a team, and hydro is good but is only really useful for a few hp scaling DPS. Cryo follows immidiately after those two simply due to no lingering effect.
TLDR for the last paragraph: When cryo resonance works it works well, when dendro and hydro resonance works then its good but not as impactful and is limited in team comps and how often you'll use them outside of specific units. (cryo suffers similarly but not to the same extent)
when it comes to freeze teams Ayaka is still the best DPS for pure and heavy cryo damage imo
Characters like Wriothesly are considered good not because they’re more powerful but because they don’t require a team as premium as Ayaka freeze (tbf just being good in melt teams makes you easier to play and f2p friendlier than ayaka and it’s never even close)
Even by todays standards she still does crazy dmg
But we never get to see that anymore coz hyv stopped focusing on making things Ayaka friendly
I knew it was Joever when I couldn’t even comfortably run her in abyss anymore (basically since 3.8/4.0, I started in 3.0 and she was my best dps so uh that was devastating)
Cryo is the new Geo only because Hoyo has no idea how to balance Freeze. Allow it to freeze every enemy and it becomes the most OP element, put limits on it like what they did and the element fall apart, and since Ayaka is the defacto freeze character.......
One solution they could try is to make unfreezable enemies debuffed in some other way, like a slowdown in both movement speed and attack rate. That single change would make cryo more relevant even in the current meta.
A great solution would also be to add a multiplier to the reaction.
Vaporization damage caused by both elements applied on top of each other (Hydro 2.0× Pyro 1.5×)
Melt (Pyro 2.0× Cryo 1.5×)
Cryo doesn't have a 100% focused reaction, which in my opinion would be Freeze, but freezing is an aura, a state of freezing and not a reaction in itself.
(Cryo and hydro) do not have a multiplier over each other.
could be (cryo 2.0× hydro 1.5×)
@@Lennis01exactly..they do make sure we players lose all our stamina from cryo attack but enemies don't
meanwhile Hu Tao still remains relevant to this day despite being older than Ayaka
It’s been long time since I used her in the abbys
I agree with the analysis generally. Ayaka is still great when she's great (when enemies can be frozen), but situationally, that's not often in the Abyss. Freeze is just not in a great place right now in the Abyss compared to vape, hyper bloom, and health drain teams, heck... even plunge teams, all do more damage now with high Abyss floors. We have way more ways to do damage these days in Genshin and Ayaka freeze just isn't the most damage-dealing team, especially at lower investment. Ayaka really needs teammates like Kazuha, Mona, Kokomi, Roasari, Shenhe, etc. to really shine.
She is like Venti - he's still busted OP when the enemies can be sucked up into his vortex - try him in the overworld and you realize he's the game's easy mode. But the Abyss is more or less designed (at high floors) to be "un-Venti-able", so you can't just walk in, use his burst and laugh.
Hoyo wants you to pull for new characters, so they shift the META around newer characters, and Ayaka has been in the game since day 1 (although not playable until 1.6) and was designed for year 1 and year 2 content IMO. But Year 3 and 4 content IMO is just not meant to be done with Ayaka. The prevalence of element checks - lots of cryo shields now - in the Abyss are sort of the end of Ayaka's prevalence because she has no answer for them... maybe in Natlan she'll be good again.
man i havent used her since 8-9 months or more i forgot she is in my acc...SHE HELPED ME ALOT BACK THEN BUT NOW META HAS CHANGED AND CRYO IS BARELY GOOD NOW!
I saw that coming 2 years back when I picked other units over her even though I had Mistsplitter and my all friends suggested to pull for her 😎
Me who is using ayaka as a burst subdps in my fast nuke teams as a melt enabler for xiangling against bosses.
this was a really good vid tho i subbed
Furina is still great with ayaka. And sure it is harder to clear abyss with ayaka especially now since both sides include a cryo shield. But its still possible to beat coppelius if you use furina with ayaka. Thanks to that i was able to clear the top side of abyss with an ayaya team
I still use her, Ayaka, Koko, Kazuha, Furina is really a really good team.
Note: is a C4 Ayaka, C2 Furina, all with their best weapons.
Ayaka still pretty strong but her charge attack gameplay is just not what i want to do every time i play her
Furina not working well with ayaka is arguably the biggest BS I've ever heard. Furina does work with her if you don't have shenhe and run charlotte instead.
Furina works with her but if you run freeze team in an un- freezable content...then you will miss lot of burst ...cause her burst is easier for enemies to dodge then hilichurl 's rock attack
She can work well, yeah. But other hydro supports better brodie
@@XSkimmilkmanX Furina can damage amp ayaka's ult, which is like 80% of her damage. Who other hydro unit can do that?
@@soujiokita6062 that doesn't counter my argument at all. Of course you won't run a freeze team in such content. Genshin is not a 1 team clear game. Still, Furina IS one of her best support cuz she can buff ayaka's ult. Which is most of her damage
She works well rhat I won’t deny (I’ve run them before)
The problem lies with using them against non freezable enemies (like the abyss enemies for a while now)
Not only are you taking away the survivability by taking kokomi out the team
Ur also making it harder for yourself by running Furina who takes any teams risk factor a level higher
Maybe In the land of cryo we’re gonna see freeze meta return (praying)
Ayaka was always and still is my favourite unit, i have her built wirh huge time investment, giving her just a little under 300% CDMG and (with the freeze set bonus) 100% Crit rate. Triple crowned, signature weapon (R1, C0). With all that being said, Ayaka performs way worse than for example Alhaitham because of 1) Reactions and 2) that enemies in the abyss. For example the current one features those 2 unbelievably tanky, freeze resistant and mobile fencer women released with fortaine. As long as these enemies reign the abyss, there's no place for ayaka. Give us say pyro cubes, hydro enemies and a bit less mobile enemies that can be frozen again and she'll rise to the top again
Wriothesley owns this fraud. Doesn't need a sig or niche 5 star support to do well.
It depends ......
She dominated an entire patch cycle , similar to ganyu / hu tao in the 1.0 patches..not to forget venti.
Thats still amazing value. This game just doesnt have variety in its endgame. If there was a rogue like mode or some other modes which buffed certain reactions its a different story.
I changed her artifacts to emblem today and since I have her C4 (she's C6 tho) she's a great sub dps and support for arlecchino
do one on itto?
Cryo in general is pretty weak. Luckily it still has a nation to come so its guranteed to make a comeback
Mihoyo didnt nerf ayaka but nerf freeze.
Just wait 1 year and 4 months.... the cryo buff will come together with Bronya.
She could literally heal the enmies and I wouldn't care tbh thats how much I love her and never will stop using her
That's not the point of this topic but anyways, ofc yes she's great btw, in my personal top dpses she comes in top 6 after the big 3,she's definitely in elite 3 alongside Tao,Navia.
She's insane at her playground that is Freeze,will remain forever as that.
All that aside ,am not an Ayaka main or even part of my favs but will say that she's cute
it's the abyss, just that. There is no downfall, just HOY pushing dendro, hydro and not-freezable mobs. Please.
She is still good but spiral abyss enemies become harder to freeze, like some enemies they will be unfreeazble and freeze become useless option here. Dendro and electro is best reaction to have for now. If mihoyo return freeze action to all enemies she will be the top character for sure.
What is the background music of between 4:00 and 6:10
The voroukasha oasis ost at desert released on version 3.6
@@teemanemotlalekgosi337 Thank you so much !
ayaka is balanced around freeze so when freeze gets fucked she gets fucked and this has been happening since 2.4 which is when ganyu fell off ayaka could hold on abit longer through sheer numbers and being less venti reliant but we haven't really had a good abyss for freeze since nilou's release abyss nilou teams imo completely took over the freeze niche nilou shines in the same situations as freeze but with more damage lower investment needs higher floors(lower ceilings)and also works in more situations since there are fewer dendro immune/resistant enemies ,she doesn't need enemies to be freezable she can actually handle boss content (without 5* weapons or cons all you need is c2 collie+clam on your healer since she help you frontload a ton of blooms) and mobile enemies don't hinder her
rn hoyo seems to like the abyss setup of 2bosses+one AoE or 2AoE+1boss and since they also love the dancing robots and their 70%cryo res all AoE teams are forced to have some kind of ST coverage and vice versa while ayaka can cover both so that's not the problem the issue is hoyo's holy trinity of enemies coppelius+coppelia/baptist/time wasters (wenut/robot wenut) that they bring out every abyss and ayaka cant counter them bc massive cryo resist/cant break the cryo shield/she burst animation is as long as their dpsable window and since you don't know where they're gonna pop up precasting isn't an option
ayaka dosent work bc hoyo dosent want her to work she is still strong we just need an abyss without a million cryo resists and shell be great (for that abyss)
but thats also the issue with her its too easy to make her not work
people like to talk about how nilou is niche since she can only use hydro and dendro but she can perform well in almost any scenario while someone like venti can be slotted almost anywhere but is situation niche that you have to wait for hoyo to stop shitting on him from him to work
and ayake gets to be situation and team niche so thats fun for her
Cryo is overall mid in the meta. So she goes down with the element.
Problem I have with Ayaka is that shes very clunky to play. The ult can miss where you want it to go and you miss out on all the dps
let's wait until we got to ice region... Shenhe ice buffs also going top tier
They probably just waiting for schzenaya cyro archon
C6 Sucrose in B tier....
I knew internet tier lists were a joke but this one isn't even funny.
Im sad about Ayaka, I didnt get her losing two 50/50 to Mon and and finally got her on her last rerun, I had her weapon long before I had her. I really do not like her playstyle. I think Shenhe will have more staying power than Ayaka. Freeze is not that good.
Meanwhile
People are soloing the abyss with single character teams
Games most difficult content: 12
Characters strength: 200
im dying at 1:31 anyon putting itto at ss is delusional also ayaka isnt bad, its simoply that, the content is so anti cyro its crazy look at all the bosses u cant freeze or w cryo resistance
Skill issue, still use her (as a main dps, mind you) to this day and get 36 stars. What's ur point lil bro
So, if I don't care about the last level of the abyss, she's fine, right?
Ayaka need mistsplitter desperately
However after losing twince on weapon banner for mistsplitter im done.
I means she’s not bad for now she’s probably sitting at number 7-10 best DPS
Still top ten DPS though
Why is ayaka not compatible with furina? Is it because Furina's hydro application isn't consistent enough?
I actually use them together, they do pretty well together with Kazuha and Charlotte. I don't think hydro application would be a big problem.
would i recommend pulling for her? in the past yes 100% but now she's too expensive and other recent characters powercreeps her dmg at low investment.
look if you have ayaka since then, shes still very playable and fun (i have her). but the meta rn, hoyo didnt want for everything to rely on bursts and decided to make characters that rely on skill or reactions.
now imagine the same dmg on ayaka but in skill form. if characters are like that now, why would you pull for ayaka?
and to answer your question, she can still clear abyss.. just takes a lot of brain power which is very frustrating at times unlike fontaine characters just random shi go
people always saying Dendro has nerfed Cryo. Ganyu burnmelt enjoyer wouldn't say the same bruh
The tier list shown, IMO, is biased against Cryo. Shenhe is the only cryo unit in A tier or higher, when she's basically just a cryo support. Basically the only thing she can do outside of cryo-focused teams is be a NO holder and have minor off field cryo application with her burst. She shouldn't be higher tier then the DPS units in her element. I agree with most of the comments saying she's good against freezeable enemies, but by no means does that mean she's bad on freeze resistant or immune enemies.
Dps Shenhe while not her best role was still silly strong due to how her E interacted with bennett, the damage was insane
Ok why kazuha better than scara if he just buffs and does no dmg why is furina higher than neuvile why is zhongli higher than navia nahida than alhaitham
Kazuha has common use on teams for his grouping and swirl where he is the only Anemo unit and is not or anywhere near being a “Support to Anemo DPS”, Zhongli has common use for his shielding on teams where he is the only Geo unit and is not or anywhere near being a “Support to Geo DPS”. Nahida has uses on teams where she is the only Dendro unit due to her own consistent Dendro application and support buffs, and is not strictly a “Support to Dendro DPS”. Shenhe, on the other hand, has no supportive capabilities for characters that don’t deal Cryo or Physical damage, where the only usable Physical Damage unit is also Cryo. Kazuha, Zhongli and Nahida are ranked higher than or equally to some of their element’s DPS’s because they aren’t restricted to those teams to provide a majority of their support
What HYV did with Ayaka is not ok, here is why. The real, baseline, good Ayaka team is C0Ayaka/C0Kazuha/C0Kokomi/C1Shenhe/R1Mistsplitter, that is 800 wishes (1600$) on everage. Since Ayaka was only good from 2.0 till 3.0, these 800 wishes had expiration date of one year and at the same time 800 wishes was about as much as f2p could get, on maximum, in that year. The thing is that Ayaka was not the only charqacter released in Iazuma, so many people did spend that 1600$ on Ayaka. I know it's a gacha, but 1600$ thrown into trash, after one year, in a video game, feels scummy. It was a full year long scam.
She is one of the biggest losers of Dendros introduction. Cryo wasn't great when she was introduced, but Dendro and its Reactions being so much better made her just so much more inedaquate in comparison. Why use a Cryo character, when you can just use a Dendro-team that is so much more effective for less investment?
My Mistsplitter is now for Xingqiu lmao
Eh, I think Sacrificial Sword is still his best weapon. You never want to be without your rainswords, and being able to burst every rotation is essential for team DPS.
Ayaka + Furina + charlotte +Kazuha does work with ayaka i think? 6:54
Imma be real when it comes to melt for cryo there's literally no options
Nahida applies pyro yippee but kazuha us better as he applies and buffs
For ganyu her best melt team is STILL Kazuha,bennet,xiangling
These are literally 1.0-1.5 characters
We have no new pyro applier except xiangling
Look at pyro
Furina,yelan
Yelan is a copy paste xinqui
So why can't we have another copy past xiangling?
Same thing for bennet
We haven't had a CC unit in ages if we get a pyro cc unit
Cryo might actually come back