@@Adriana-eu6ty Logan: “You got leverage. Just a little. So why don’t you fuck off and come back when you wanna ask for something.” Shiv: “How ‘bout I offer to let you keep all your internal organs on your inside rather than pull them out your asshole.” Yup.
@@Godschild02068 Yeah Greg is not an idiot. He has crippling social anxiety anytime he's on the wrong end of a power imbalance, and he doesn't hit the books / research reports hard enough to become an expert at anything. But he's cunning as hell. Don't see him as a CEO given his shortcomings, but he could do quite well for himself.
@@Godschild02068 Ken low key has been giving greg little tests the entire time and he's passed with flying colors. Ken trusts Greg more than anyone else in that family
@@abhijeetgupta23 Because Greg is a smooth talker and he's always switching side to benefit him. Most of the time he's always playing neutral whenever one side is going to lose, he's always switching team immediately. Tom and Kendall noticed this and they both are using him as their wild card. But, deep down, Greg always cares to Tom because Tom is his mentor and help him to stay at the company. Although Greg himself is part of nepo baby but we can see in some scene, he's always working on his desk while we never see The Roys are working on their own desks. Technically, Kendall ever worked but he was on Vaulter's desk or Logan's desk, never on his own desk. Same with Roman, we only see him work at Logan's desk to check the email anddd that's it.
Shiv never seemed like an exceptional political strategist tbh. She seemed decent, but she did better than her talent warranted because hiring her gave politicians leverage with ATN. We see it from the first episode, when she talks to Eva about killing the story about her Senator's husband.
Most political strategist are upper class fail children who are nowhere near as competent as they believe, so Shiv is actually a good representation of them.
Typical Dem strategist I'd encounter: "I'm a country girl." Translation: My dad owns a ranch just outside of Austin and is a very generous mid-level donor to both the state part and DNC, which is why my first job out of college was at the executive level of a national org rather than the entry level.
As soon as Shiv changed side from working to her former politician that she used to fix to Gil who hates her dad is the moment she starts to dig her grave because of Nate persuaded her. Had she not listen to Nate, she would have a better career. Also, Logan asked her to do years of training in Waystar but she refused. How did she expect to be the CEO when she never works at the company?
Shiv always overplays her hand. You’re not Logan, threats don’t hit the same coming from you. If she just cut a deal with Greg, he wouldn’t have ratted her out later.
Logan literally offered Greg a deal in the last season. Knowing when he had leverage and when he didn’t and how to capitalise on that information was one of Logan’s strongest points. Shiv clearly doesn’t get it
@@marcus8101 I was just waiting for it after this scene. When we got the ratting out my first thought was he’s covering for her so he can show the leverage then thought that’s not how Greg works and knew she was fucked because she had her one shot and failed to keep him on side.
He screwed her over way early in the show --during the WASP dinner episode when he allowed Tom to think Shiv betrayed him when it was he (Greg) all along. He's a goofball, but he knows how to double deal. Since the show starts with juxtapositions of Logan and Greg (piss and puke of episode 1.1), perhaps Greg has an even bigger role to play....
This is where Shiv’s calculations are so backwards. She is more worried about Greg but then fakes a call to Nate that is easily tracked to be revealed. The irony is Shiv screwed herself by trying to protect herself.
@@marcus8101 Exactly. Logan bull rushes people when he has nothing else to lean on, but he knows leverage is much more reliable. And we see him mostly with his children, of course bullying from a megalomaniac abusive father hits different. When you're dealing with a guy who you met in his 20s, it's nowhere near as effective.
As Tom said earlier in the episode, “Information, Greg, is like a bottle of fine wine. You store it, you hoard it, you save it for a special occasion, and then you smash someone's fuckin' face in with it.”
Even Logan would have offered Greg something 😂. That's Shiv issue, she always overestimates how much power she has in a situation and it comes back to bite her. She even overestimated how much power she had over Tom, to the point that she pushed him to betray her.
That's the thing. Greg blackmails Ken, Ken says "Greg the mother fucking egg. Look at you, you little Machiavellian fuck. I like it!" Greg blackmails Tom.. "You fucking slimeball. Atta boy!" Greg blackmails Logan... "No, no, no! What Greg wants, Greg must have!" Learn how to play the game Shiv... Also, you still owe Greg $20!
@@caidenmcgill2579 Logan offered Greg a lot of stuff. He saw how ambitious Greg was and respected that Greg was willing to scratch Logan's back if he scratched his in return. Even with all of his bumbling, Greg has more of that "killer" instinct than any of Logan's own kids. Yes, the kids seem much more aggressive, but it's all false bravado masking their insecurities. Greg just goes for what he wants. And even though his final gambit seemingly failed (when he tried to ingratiate himself to Kendall one last time in the final episode), I don't think Logan would have been disappointed. Much like the kid who got struck out during the baseball game in the pilot episode, Logan would have told Greg that he made a "magnificent effort." I don't think that's something he would really ever tell his own kids.
Also, in Season 3, Logan taught Greg if he has a leverage, use it and Greg took his lessons pretty well in Season 4. It's ironic how Greg is learning better than all of Roy's siblings as he mostly took risks and chances anytime he gets. That is why Kendall and Tom deep down know that Greg is a wild card but Kendall is mostly being petty to him while Tom is mostly impressed to him.
yeah, I noticed that in the part where he fires a lot of people in the episode before, I mean ain chainsaw Dunlap did himself rich doing exactly that in the 90's
I also noticed in Season 4, he hasn't stuttered as much as he did back in Season One or when he was still a newbie. Sure he's still awkward but not too much stuttered. I can see that he has built so much confidence even he can talk back to Tom.
She's aiming for a job she's not qualified for is the basis of it. She'd have been great doing her own thing in Politics but got suckered in by her father to aim for a position in a company she'll never get.
@@TheodoreBotman Yup. The 3-year training plan her father pitched her was too far in the future to rely on, given his temperament and health, but it was really the only reasonable path to leading the company.
@@TheodoreBotman fr. and she blames it on misoginy, which yeah sure prolly plays a part of it, but logan (and everyone else, her siblings, the board, the shareholders, the market) knew she was green af. it wasnt misoginy to tell her she needs 3 years of experienece. she really thought she could show up out of nowhere, after never working with the company, and lead a multinational billionaire company? Shiv's ego is her worst enemy.
It's a delightful irony that both Roman and Shiv treat Greg with such contempt purely based on their spoilt arrgoance that because he didn’t grow up around Waystar he hasn't a clue, while the series seems almost destined to end with him higher up in the company than either of them.
He's gonna be with Kendall. Because Kendall puts him through tests and he always passes not only that he doesn't always treat him like dog shit. Remember Kendall gave him the loft in season 1 or 2 I forget. Greg knows who butters his bread
Yep. Ken always had Greg’s back and was loyal to him. The loft. All of it. And then had his back again when Matteson was being a prick. Ken stood up for Greg a couple times there and Greg became his helper. That’s the irony. Roman is always giving Ken shit for not being a better father, but Ken is the most protective and paternal of them all. He even told Tom to watch it when Tom was calling Shiv unhinged.
Shiv miscalculated this situation. She had her biggest secret exposed to Greg and she still thought she could boss him. She was in no position to threaten Greg and her threat was also vague.
“Information, Greg, is like a bottle of fine wine. You store it, you hoard it, you save it for a special occasion, and then you smash someone's fuckin' face in with it.” And that’s exactly what Greg did when he exposed her lies to Kendall.
Shiv & Roman both always completely underesmitated Greg. Kendall could treat Greg like shit sometimes, but he was always aware of the lengths Greg would go to protect his self interest and knew he was good to have on his side. "You little Machiavellian fuck, I see you Greg. I like it."
Because Kendall sees so much potential on Greg even gave him an apartment. Also, Greg helped him to buy Coke. Shiv and Roman treat Greg like nothing like "Oh yeah, you're my cousin, so what?"
Remember in Season One, Shiv never bring Greg his 20$ back just to buy a coffee from a vending machine. This is his payback by stealing her dream and also Tom.
@@mmca93 he's not controlling the graphic that atn displays. He's just typing in an internal thing most likely. Tom and Rome just used him to be able to justify making the call. There's zero chance roman was ever going to allow him on the air to explain the "pending call".
What a dumb play by Shiv. Imagine going at someone and the only thing you have against them is threats lmao. LIke that's great, more of a reason for that person to take you out first.
@@jayclearmen411 basically logans same deal. but yeah, what did shiv expected? to intimidate THE EGG? with what power? shiv forgot there is always a bigger fish in the pond. in this case it was kendall. her inexperience and ego shows. all she had to do was offer him power, protection, owe him something idk. why play the "gangster" card?
Logan, Kendall and even Tom knew when greg had leverage and was better to cut a deal. Shiv understimated him always thinking she smarter than she actually is
facts! She is green.. i’d say inexperience but that doesn’t cover it enough how badly she Fumbled this!! She in politics an doesn’t get the logistics of leverage that’s crazy..
Making a threat when you have no leverage, power or authority whatsoever on the person, to make your threat feel serious and real, is a red mark for anyone who tries to be cunning lol. Shiv goes in the game with big heavy boots thinking she's playing smart
He still has the cruise papers, he knows about Mattson's numbers and he could reveal that Tom was high on drugs when he made the call to Mencken, I doubt he'll end up as CEO, but he'll definitely end up in some respectable position in the company thanks to his Machiavellianism..
@@oppenheimer6321 Greg would not enjoy being a CEO. He wouldn't be able to slither around like Varys if all the attention was on him, and slithering is his main (and pretty much only) superpower.
Daaaaamn, he even was offering her to buy his silence 😂 A little blackmail could have saved her from being shamed like that by her siblings and him smiling as he's snitching
@@SandShock YEP! Blink and you'll miss it moment, if you listen closely, you can even hear the evil laughter from the end of Michael Jackson's Thriller playing in the background 😂 I joke, but damn, it might as well have, this moment was deliciously devilish
@@justcomments1239 Kerry. Now crying on the subway on her way to her small apartment. Fuck around with Greg the egg and you most definitely will find out.
Carrot and the stick, not just the stick. As Machiavelli said, "fear and love is preferable to fear alone" Also: I'm recalling the non-event in season 1 when Greg "forgot" the papers for Marcia's seat in the holding company as a favor to Shiv and in exchange she took his last $20 for a vending machine and never even repaid him for that. lol.
Greg The Egg is like this type of poker player that you never understand how he wins against all odds but he does. And always it happens again and again, people underestimate him because his position or because he is indeed really annoying until he overcomes or takes advantage somehow. I do feel Shiv had made a huge mistake here.
To me, Greg is an amalgam of characters such as Nate from "Ted Lasso," Varys from "GoT," and Jonah from "Veep." Like Varys, he knows how to slither around and get useful information. Like Jonah, he is an uncharismatic cloud botherer who manages to fall his way to the top. And like Nate, he is the bullied awkward guy who ultimately turns out to be a Machiavellian f**k.
Greg, though as awkward as he always looks, totally outworked Shiv here...... She's confronting him about his dealings with Lucas and possibly him knowing about her involvement there.. She then tries to play the "sexy woman" card to get the upper hand, and when that doesn't work because duh.... she's his cousin, she quickly switches to Joe Pesci-mode and threatens to kill him...... Then, Greg even tries to help her along by basically saying, "Uh... this is the part where you're supposed to make me some kind of deal and maybe, if it's good enough, I'll cooperate." and she didn't catch it and kept belittling the guy who can totally screw her over. He was start-to-finish in game mode here and Shiv was too consumed with desperation to not realize she was only digging her own grave.
I’m with you but I think her asking Greg whether he found her attractive was an opening . She was expecting Greg to say “no” so she could then say, “then why are you trying to fuck me?” Or ‘if you’re thinking of fucking me”. Greg is obviously too awkward to have given Shiv anything useful so she went right to the punchline “if you try to fuck me”. Greg did come out of it, as you say, and brushed the threat aside and asked for something in return for his silence. I loved how in pretty short order her own arrogance boomeranged and she realized what many are starting to learn about Greg; DON’T UNDERESTIMATE GREG.
@@DoroteoVilla Could be, and he just Mister Magoo'd his way around it. When I first watched the scene and she asked that, I was thinking..... "What the?.... Is this Succession or Game Of Thrones?'
@@DoroteoVilla I wonder if they let the actor ad-lib or if they actually write the Greg-babble word for word into the script..... it'd look kinda funny seeing it on paper
@@legendbucwild I think it's all Nicholas Braun. It's too real life "low end guy's idea of what baller would say". The squirming I feel when I listen to him is too visceral, like watching a car wreck I can't look away from.
All Shiv had to do was come up with a deal. But she has absolutely nothing in her pocket to give and it seems everything/nothing going on in her brain. When it comes to being a little Logan,,,,, man is she dreadful.
Shiv always seems to think she's clever when she's the most transparent of the siblings. From the very beginning of the show they've show this when she wanted Tom to sign a prenup without an infidelity clause and thought he would just... not find out.
Big mistake by Shiv. You have to offer Greg an incentive so he can weigh out his options. That's what he asks for the entire show and all she does is threaten him.
this is such a great characterization moment. shiv simply does not have what it takes to be logan, + greg is a slippery weirdo whose most marketable asset is his ability to make a social encounter very uncomfortable
I was looking at her like…. Tf are u talking about, she’s treating Greg like he doesn’t know how to play the game when he plays it better than her, sometimes i wonder if she’s just posturing but then she shows that she really thinks she’s smarter than everybody else
@@innerDialectic ehh i think that only applies to shiv an rome.. logan and kendall were always down to reward greg when he show some ingenuity an had leverage.. shiv just game goofy besides her threat aren’t worth that much.. roman has a devil may care unpredictable nature on his side so you never know what that spazz will or won’t do. An Kendall rather break bread an compromise.. mostly will his father logan & rome both called him a soft bitxh over.
Offering Greg something in return is so obviously the smarter play. And Greg hands her the chance to make the smarter play, he made it so easy for her, and she still choose to make empty threats instead. Greg has survived bullying in the workplace for years, he's not going to flinch at this.
This is such a great scene. In any other show she would be walking away, the camera showing a shocked Greg and a smirk on Shiv that only we can see because she's a badass bitch for throwing a sentence like from a movie 😄
she doesnt have leverage, she is not in a position of power and greg holds all the cards knowing her secret. What does she end up doing ? meaningless insults like her dad, insults that would have had weight behind them due to her connection with her father. so yeah she clearly does not know hot to play the game
This scene reminds me of the ending scene in "Michael Clayton" where Michael (George Clooney) says to Karen (Tilda Swinton), "I'm not the guy that you kill, I'm the guy that you buy. Are you so f**king blind you don't even see what I am?" That line perfectly exemplifies Greg and why he rats on Shiv later in the episode. Shiv fails to realize that as long as she treats him well (i.e., bribe him), Greg will be the least of her problems. He is the simplest piece of the puzzle because he is so transparent about his selfishness.
Not sure anyone’s gonna post this. But the funniest part of this episode is Hugo, when he says “ah this guys so boring. Pull your dick out or something.” Lol couldn’t stop laughing
Even Logan knew how to make a deal with a guy like Greg, such a dumb move by Shiv, for a guy who's been around Tom for so long, her threats do nothing.
Not gonna lie I took 2 edibles before this episode and was high as hell, then this scene completely fucked with my head and I couldn't stop laughing simultaneously thinking this can't be real. HBO going back to their GoT roots
Shiv really thought she could intimate Greg 😂. She has no real power Ken and Roman have actual power in the company and it’s no wonder why Greg blabbed immediately when Ken confronted him. She could have bribed him but she was to egotistical to understand her lack of power in the situation to do so
The way Greg responded to Shiv's accusation that he was with mattson really shows his character growth. Any other time in the series and he woulve been a bumbling mess
Shiv is such an clown that she actually made Greg more powerful in this pathetic attempt to intimidate him. You only threaten people who have power over you. Should have made Greg a deal.
Her talking was so disgusting and insulting that he should've immediately tell Ken or Rom about her and Matsson. But Greg still give her a chance that she is too stupid to aknowledge
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not offering Greg anything is her biggest mistake
Even logan offered him something.
@@Adriana-eu6ty Logan: “You got leverage. Just a little. So why don’t you fuck off and come back when you wanna ask for something.”
Shiv: “How ‘bout I offer to let you keep all your internal organs on your inside rather than pull them out your asshole.”
Yup.
Facts. Was going to say this. Rookie move on her part.
@@Adriana-eu6ty What Greg wants, greg must have
Can we please get Greg some COCA COLA!
Greg will only ever have eyes for his beloved Tom.
Sporus
Also fair maidens
Tom deserves Greg more than Shiv, so much so, they stay together at the company forever.
Kerry and Shiv teach viewers that if you give Greg empty physical threats you cannot follow up on, he’ll throw you under the bus
This is what Tom understands. You have to rough up Greg occasionally to keep him line.
Greg is really smarter than everyone thinks, but Ken knows Greg da MF'n egg he always has kept him close
@@Godschild02068 Yeah Greg is not an idiot. He has crippling social anxiety anytime he's on the wrong end of a power imbalance, and he doesn't hit the books / research reports hard enough to become an expert at anything. But he's cunning as hell. Don't see him as a CEO given his shortcomings, but he could do quite well for himself.
@@threenumbnuts That's my thought about it. I don't see him as a number one or number 2, but he'd make a solid number 3.
@@Godschild02068 Ken low key has been giving greg little tests the entire time and he's passed with flying colors. Ken trusts Greg more than anyone else in that family
You know you've lost when you can't even scare Gregg
Greg is an undercover monster
Even Greg doesn't fear Logan
Physical threat, from a woman? Meh...
@@margarethmichelina5146 Ironically Greg fears everyone yet he betrays everyone
@@abhijeetgupta23 Because Greg is a smooth talker and he's always switching side to benefit him. Most of the time he's always playing neutral whenever one side is going to lose, he's always switching team immediately. Tom and Kendall noticed this and they both are using him as their wild card. But, deep down, Greg always cares to Tom because Tom is his mentor and help him to stay at the company. Although Greg himself is part of nepo baby but we can see in some scene, he's always working on his desk while we never see The Roys are working on their own desks. Technically, Kendall ever worked but he was on Vaulter's desk or Logan's desk, never on his own desk. Same with Roman, we only see him work at Logan's desk to check the email anddd that's it.
Shiv not understanding leverage even though she was a political strategist. Pride will be the death of us all
Shiv never seemed like an exceptional political strategist tbh. She seemed decent, but she did better than her talent warranted because hiring her gave politicians leverage with ATN. We see it from the first episode, when she talks to Eva about killing the story about her Senator's husband.
Most political strategist are upper class fail children who are nowhere near as competent as they believe, so Shiv is actually a good representation of them.
Typical Dem strategist I'd encounter:
"I'm a country girl."
Translation: My dad owns a ranch just outside of Austin and is a very generous mid-level donor to both the state part and DNC, which is why my first job out of college was at the executive level of a national org rather than the entry level.
@@Cuchulainn1984 😂 😂 bruh
As soon as Shiv changed side from working to her former politician that she used to fix to Gil who hates her dad is the moment she starts to dig her grave because of Nate persuaded her. Had she not listen to Nate, she would have a better career. Also, Logan asked her to do years of training in Waystar but she refused. How did she expect to be the CEO when she never works at the company?
Greg took Toms advice about hoarding information and cracked shiv over the head with it😂
“It’s like a bottle of wine, you hoard it, save it for a special occasion, and then smash them in the fuckin face with it” great advice 🤣
Shiv always overplays her hand. You’re not Logan, threats don’t hit the same coming from you. If she just cut a deal with Greg, he wouldn’t have ratted her out later.
Logan literally offered Greg a deal in the last season. Knowing when he had leverage and when he didn’t and how to capitalise on that information was one of Logan’s strongest points. Shiv clearly doesn’t get it
@@marcus8101 I was just waiting for it after this scene. When we got the ratting out my first thought was he’s covering for her so he can show the leverage then thought that’s not how Greg works and knew she was fucked because she had her one shot and failed to keep him on side.
He screwed her over way early in the show --during the WASP dinner episode when he allowed Tom to think Shiv betrayed him when it was he (Greg) all along.
He's a goofball, but he knows how to double deal.
Since the show starts with juxtapositions of Logan and Greg (piss and puke of episode 1.1), perhaps Greg has an even bigger role to play....
This is where Shiv’s calculations are so backwards. She is more worried about Greg but then fakes a call to Nate that is easily tracked to be revealed. The irony is Shiv screwed herself by trying to protect herself.
@@marcus8101 Exactly. Logan bull rushes people when he has nothing else to lean on, but he knows leverage is much more reliable. And we see him mostly with his children, of course bullying from a megalomaniac abusive father hits different. When you're dealing with a guy who you met in his 20s, it's nowhere near as effective.
And this is why Greg burned her later in the episode.
facts she did it to herself..that’s why when she seen greg & Kendall later on she knew she f***d herself.
As Tom said earlier in the episode, “Information, Greg, is like a bottle of fine wine. You store it, you hoard it, you save it for a special occasion, and then you smash someone's fuckin' face in with it.”
Shiv was again over confident and played the wrong hand thinking she has actual power. She doesn't.
She got what she deserved. Worst character on the show even Logan looks good man infront of her
@@protostark5860 watch her expose the dead kid thing to mattson or something; losing the whole series just to bite ken one last time
Even Logan would have offered Greg something 😂.
That's Shiv issue, she always overestimates how much power she has in a situation and it comes back to bite her. She even overestimated how much power she had over Tom, to the point that she pushed him to betray her.
i think at one point logan did offer greg something so yeah
That's the thing. Greg blackmails Ken, Ken says "Greg the mother fucking egg. Look at you, you little Machiavellian fuck. I like it!"
Greg blackmails Tom.. "You fucking slimeball. Atta boy!"
Greg blackmails Logan... "No, no, no! What Greg wants, Greg must have!"
Learn how to play the game Shiv... Also, you still owe Greg $20!
@@caidenmcgill2579 Logan offered Greg a lot of stuff. He saw how ambitious Greg was and respected that Greg was willing to scratch Logan's back if he scratched his in return. Even with all of his bumbling, Greg has more of that "killer" instinct than any of Logan's own kids. Yes, the kids seem much more aggressive, but it's all false bravado masking their insecurities. Greg just goes for what he wants. And even though his final gambit seemingly failed (when he tried to ingratiate himself to Kendall one last time in the final episode), I don't think Logan would have been disappointed. Much like the kid who got struck out during the baseball game in the pilot episode, Logan would have told Greg that he made a "magnificent effort." I don't think that's something he would really ever tell his own kids.
Also, in Season 3, Logan taught Greg if he has a leverage, use it and Greg took his lessons pretty well in Season 4. It's ironic how Greg is learning better than all of Roy's siblings as he mostly took risks and chances anytime he gets. That is why Kendall and Tom deep down know that Greg is a wild card but Kendall is mostly being petty to him while Tom is mostly impressed to him.
Greg has matured so much lol.
yeah, I noticed that in the part where he fires a lot of people in the episode before, I mean ain chainsaw Dunlap did himself rich doing exactly that in the 90's
He would make Logan proud lol
I also noticed in Season 4, he hasn't stuttered as much as he did back in Season One or when he was still a newbie. Sure he's still awkward but not too much stuttered. I can see that he has built so much confidence even he can talk back to Tom.
Shiv's arc is she thinks she's smarter than she thinks, but ignorant because she isn't that smart.
she’s green..an inexperienced an it shows. that’s why when she tries to set up an makes great plans then fumble 85% of the time
She's aiming for a job she's not qualified for is the basis of it. She'd have been great doing her own thing in Politics but got suckered in by her father to aim for a position in a company she'll never get.
Reha said those exact words Shiv is a 🤡
@@TheodoreBotman Yup. The 3-year training plan her father pitched her was too far in the future to rely on, given his temperament and health, but it was really the only reasonable path to leading the company.
@@TheodoreBotman fr. and she blames it on misoginy, which yeah sure prolly plays a part of it, but logan (and everyone else, her siblings, the board, the shareholders, the market) knew she was green af. it wasnt misoginy to tell her she needs 3 years of experienece. she really thought she could show up out of nowhere, after never working with the company, and lead a multinational billionaire company? Shiv's ego is her worst enemy.
Even Logan offered Greg COKE COLA and for her to treat him this way was the reason for what happened
In fairness there was rum in that COCA COLA which made it strong, strong for a man.
@@gainsmurdoch6987 if it is to be said it is
It is then Logan saw that Greg the Egg really was a Roy.
What Greg wants, Greg must have!
@@hpmoody if it is to be said...
It's a delightful irony that both Roman and Shiv treat Greg with such contempt purely based on their spoilt arrgoance that because he didn’t grow up around Waystar he hasn't a clue, while the series seems almost destined to end with him higher up in the company than either of them.
He's gonna be with Kendall. Because Kendall puts him through tests and he always passes not only that he doesn't always treat him like dog shit. Remember Kendall gave him the loft in season 1 or 2 I forget. Greg knows who butters his bread
Yep. Ken always had Greg’s back and was loyal to him. The loft. All of it. And then had his back again when Matteson was being a prick. Ken stood up for Greg a couple times there and Greg became his helper. That’s the irony. Roman is always giving Ken shit for not being a better father, but Ken is the most protective and paternal of them all. He even told Tom to watch it when Tom was calling Shiv unhinged.
@@steffnic13 I wouldnt say loyalty but he sees Greg.
This aged well
This aged like wine
Shiv miscalculated this situation. She had her biggest secret exposed to Greg and she still thought she could boss him. She was in no position to threaten Greg and her threat was also vague.
“Information, Greg, is like a bottle of fine wine. You store it, you hoard it, you save it for a special occasion, and then you smash someone's fuckin' face in with it.” And that’s exactly what Greg did when he exposed her lies to Kendall.
It's hard to imagine a less intimidating threat.
Kendall's threats to Stewy when they meet on the Greek Island were similarly meaningless and hilariously hyperbolic.
Hard to imagine how so many people like this show
Shiv & Roman both always completely underesmitated Greg. Kendall could treat Greg like shit sometimes, but he was always aware of the lengths Greg would go to protect his self interest and knew he was good to have on his side. "You little Machiavellian fuck, I see you Greg. I like it."
Shiv knew that Greg was an opportunist and for some reason she still thought that threatening him was the best course of action lol
Because Kendall sees so much potential on Greg even gave him an apartment. Also, Greg helped him to buy Coke.
Shiv and Roman treat Greg like nothing like "Oh yeah, you're my cousin, so what?"
Not even Greg see Shiv as a threat 😂 what was she thinking, he doesn't owe her anything.....
This was too disgusting for even a disgusting brother.
incest
in a world where everyone is disgusting I was proud to see him defend himself in the way he did later
Remember in Season One, Shiv never bring Greg his 20$ back just to buy a coffee from a vending machine. This is his payback by stealing her dream and also Tom.
Greg later outing Shiv to her siblings was amazing. Also, him putting wasabi in someone's eyes and pouring lemon la croix was hilarious 😂😂
Best part is none of the wasabi/Lacroix stuff was relevant to the plot. Just some humor tossed in
@@nicka3017 he forgot to type "pending call" because of the wasabi
@@mmca93 he's not controlling the graphic that atn displays. He's just typing in an internal thing most likely. Tom and Rome just used him to be able to justify making the call. There's zero chance roman was ever going to allow him on the air to explain the "pending call".
Shiv: Do you find me attractive Gregory?
Greg: You’re alright, but I think we’re related.
And it all started with $20..
Mans took the family business, her man, even the dog.. 😂😂
😂😂
Should have given him his $20 back
😂😂😂😂ffs
Silence is golden
-Greg
But just “HOW” golden?
-Greg the Egg 🥚
I forgot greg and shiv were cousins lmao
What a dumb play by Shiv. Imagine going at someone and the only thing you have against them is threats lmao. LIke that's great, more of a reason for that person to take you out first.
Why would she not offer him something to stay quiet? Logan is right they are not serious people.
Could've even offered to see what she can do
@@IwinMahWay Exactly I would’ve offered greg a favor of his choosing within the foreseeable future within reason within the year.
@@jayclearmen411 basically logans same deal. but yeah, what did shiv expected? to intimidate THE EGG? with what power? shiv forgot there is always a bigger fish in the pond. in this case it was kendall. her inexperience and ego shows. all she had to do was offer him power, protection, owe him something idk. why play the "gangster" card?
"Say it to someone who cares" Greg, probably
"I don't think of things such as that" is a perfect Greg response 😂.
Logan, Kendall and even Tom knew when greg had leverage and was better to cut a deal. Shiv understimated him always thinking she smarter than she actually is
facts! She is green.. i’d say inexperience but that doesn’t cover it enough how badly she Fumbled this!! She in politics an doesn’t get the logistics of leverage that’s crazy..
Making a threat when you have no leverage, power or authority whatsoever on the person, to make your threat feel serious and real, is a red mark for anyone who tries to be cunning lol.
Shiv goes in the game with big heavy boots thinking she's playing smart
I'm telling you Gregg is the ultimate puppet master. ' being toms confidant' always has the inside scoop, playing both sides. Genius
He still has the cruise papers, he knows about Mattson's numbers and he could reveal that Tom was high on drugs when he made the call to Mencken, I doubt he'll end up as CEO, but he'll definitely end up in some respectable position in the company thanks to his Machiavellianism..
@@oppenheimer6321 Greg would not enjoy being a CEO. He wouldn't be able to slither around like Varys if all the attention was on him, and slithering is his main (and pretty much only) superpower.
Pinky can’t dance even with Greg
Daaaaamn, he even was offering her to buy his silence 😂 A little blackmail could have saved her from being shamed like that by her siblings and him smiling as he's snitching
I kept replaying that scene, its just a flash as he crosses past Roman's shoulder. Great shot, better show.
@@SandShock YEP! Blink and you'll miss it moment, if you listen closely, you can even hear the evil laughter from the end of Michael Jackson's Thriller playing in the background 😂 I joke, but damn, it might as well have, this moment was deliciously devilish
Greg remembered what happened to the last woman who threatened him.
Who was that ? I can’t remember
@@justcomments1239 Kerry. Now crying on the subway on her way to her small apartment. Fuck around with Greg the egg and you most definitely will find out.
@@justcomments1239 Kerri
@@JMR_2028 ah yes thanks
Carrot and the stick, not just the stick. As Machiavelli said, "fear and love is preferable to fear alone"
Also: I'm recalling the non-event in season 1 when Greg "forgot" the papers for Marcia's seat in the holding company as a favor to Shiv and in exchange she took his last $20 for a vending machine and never even repaid him for that. lol.
A Lannister always pays his debts. If you wanna play the Game of Thrones you have to remember some rules.
facts even logan knew that he rewarded his ppl at the right time! Shiv went too far
@Jay Clearmen Marcia is simply correct to point out how Shiv is playing Royco CEO like a its a kid playing house
She didn't even a stick, she has no power over Greg, her threat meant nothing unless she was actually intending to kill Greg.
When you see how Shiv couldn't even intimidate Greg, you know she's not the right one to run the company.
This scene shows that Shivs doesnt have what it takes to get the Crown...she is not Logan 😅
This was Greg’s best episode. Truly a redemption arc
Idk if Greg is on a “redemption arc” 😂
@@raymondsims7042 Ikr 😂😂😂
@@raemotsoane814 yeah I can’t believe op doesn’t know what “redemption arc” means😂
If by redemption he got worst. He nearly killed someone with lemon water
Greg The Egg is like this type of poker player that you never understand how he wins against all odds but he does. And always it happens again and again, people underestimate him because his position or because he is indeed really annoying until he overcomes or takes advantage somehow. I do feel Shiv had made a huge mistake here.
To me, Greg is an amalgam of characters such as Nate from "Ted Lasso," Varys from "GoT," and Jonah from "Veep." Like Varys, he knows how to slither around and get useful information. Like Jonah, he is an uncharismatic cloud botherer who manages to fall his way to the top. And like Nate, he is the bullied awkward guy who ultimately turns out to be a Machiavellian f**k.
This was a perfect chance for Greg to say “No, but did you know Tom ask me to kiss him the first time we met” #nohomo
The way Greg talks is just too funny. His lines are great and his delivery is simply perfection. 😂
Even Logan knows,What Greg wants,Greg must have.
Greg, though as awkward as he always looks, totally outworked Shiv here...... She's confronting him about his dealings with Lucas and possibly him knowing about her involvement there.. She then tries to play the "sexy woman" card to get the upper hand, and when that doesn't work because duh.... she's his cousin, she quickly switches to Joe Pesci-mode and threatens to kill him...... Then, Greg even tries to help her along by basically saying, "Uh... this is the part where you're supposed to make me some kind of deal and maybe, if it's good enough, I'll cooperate." and she didn't catch it and kept belittling the guy who can totally screw her over.
He was start-to-finish in game mode here and Shiv was too consumed with desperation to not realize she was only digging her own grave.
I’m with you but I think her asking Greg whether he found her attractive was an opening . She was expecting Greg to say “no” so she could then say, “then why are you trying to fuck me?” Or ‘if you’re thinking of fucking me”. Greg is obviously too awkward to have given Shiv anything useful so she went right to the punchline “if you try to fuck me”.
Greg did come out of it, as you say, and brushed the threat aside and asked for something in return for his silence.
I loved how in pretty short order her own arrogance boomeranged and she realized what many are starting to learn about Greg; DON’T UNDERESTIMATE GREG.
@@DoroteoVilla Could be, and he just Mister Magoo'd his way around it. When I first watched the scene and she asked that, I was thinking..... "What the?.... Is this Succession or Game Of Thrones?'
@@legendbucwild "I don't think of things such as that". Smooth as Barry White covered in silk.
@@DoroteoVilla I wonder if they let the actor ad-lib or if they actually write the Greg-babble word for word into the script..... it'd look kinda funny seeing it on paper
@@legendbucwild I think it's all Nicholas Braun. It's too real life "low end guy's idea of what baller would say". The squirming I feel when I listen to him is too visceral, like watching a car wreck I can't look away from.
All Shiv had to do was come up with a deal. But she has absolutely nothing in her pocket to give and it seems everything/nothing going on in her brain. When it comes to being a little Logan,,,,, man is she dreadful.
"Some people just can't cut a deal"
Shiv always seems to think she's clever when she's the most transparent of the siblings. From the very beginning of the show they've show this when she wanted Tom to sign a prenup without an infidelity clause and thought he would just... not find out.
Like Holly Hunter's character said she thinks she's smarter than she is.
The dialogue in this show is so lifelike. I feel like I’m listening to real life conversation.
She really needed to get off her high horse and realize that besides his goofy demeanor Greg is a legitimate player with connections.
Shiv thought Greg was a pushover, bro really gutted her alive later in the ep 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shiv was going real Cersei Lannister between the incest tease and over playing her hand thinking she is smarter than she is. 😂
I like shiv but don’t ever disrespect Cersei Lannister like that again
@@raymondsims7042You like her?! 🤮
@@tomsgrexit Cersei Lannister? Absolutely one of the best characters in tv history.
@@raymondsims7042She is a mad lunatic in the books without a single redeeming qualities unlike in the TV show
@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru true but I’m talking about show Cersei they added more layers to her
Greg's faced this before with Kerry. Ain't scared of shit.
Greg’s gonna end up getting a job with the CIA lol
Her ego never let her see that Greg was a threat and a potential asset.
Greg couldnt handle all that badonkadonk even if he wanted to
The way greg talks is so fucking funny
Shiv doesn’t know how to negotiate
Big mistake by Shiv. You have to offer Greg an incentive so he can weigh out his options. That's what he asks for the entire show and all she does is threaten him.
"i dont think of things such as that." 😂
Lmao😂
Lmao the way he speaks
@Spaceman Spiff ha😂😂
This scene was so fuckin awkward I cant 😭
this is such a great characterization moment. shiv simply does not have what it takes to be logan, + greg is a slippery weirdo whose most marketable asset is his ability to make a social encounter very uncomfortable
The best ending ever would be if Tom ends up working for Greg by the end of this...
whenever he says "I guess my only question would be" you know he's bouta spit some bars
Shiv is selfish, just like what she did to Tom for not making any promises Season 3 Ep. 9 Greg was smart because what's in it for him.
Sad, because she is Gerri's goddaughter
Shiv, you chose poorly.
Pride comes before the fall.
I was looking at her like…. Tf are u talking about, she’s treating Greg like he doesn’t know how to play the game when he plays it better than her, sometimes i wonder if she’s just posturing but then she shows that she really thinks she’s smarter than everybody else
Shiv looked, sounded and behaved a lot like Ashley from The Boys in this scene, love it.
This scene confirmed all doubts that Shiv deserves to lose at the end.
There's honor amongst thieves. Shiv has none of it.
This was a WTF moment @ Shiv.
Just goes to show you - never doubt a disgusting brother.
Shiv thought she was Tywin Lannister but was just Cersei.
“Do you find me attractive?”
“YES”
What does Shiv even have on Greg? I doubt she has any dirt on Greg that could do substantial damage
incest!
She (and the other siblings) think so lowly of him that they don't think they need it.
Even Logan actually offers him a position (I fail to remember) to get him on his side and Shiv... such an idiot.
@@innerDialectic ehh i think that only applies to shiv an rome.. logan and kendall were always down to reward greg when he show some ingenuity an had leverage.. shiv just game goofy besides her threat aren’t worth that much.. roman has a devil may care unpredictable nature on his side so you never know what that spazz will or won’t do. An Kendall rather break bread an compromise.. mostly will his father logan & rome both called him a soft bitxh over.
@@jayclearmen411 this has already happened with Ken and Greg in season 3
Offering Greg something in return is so obviously the smarter play. And Greg hands her the chance to make the smarter play, he made it so easy for her, and she still choose to make empty threats instead. Greg has survived bullying in the workplace for years, he's not going to flinch at this.
This is such a great scene. In any other show she would be walking away, the camera showing a shocked Greg and a smirk on Shiv that only we can see because she's a badass bitch for throwing a sentence like from a movie 😄
Maaaaaaaaaaan Shiv was on self-destruction mode this episode
Shiv really is breaking down
Shivvy I know you’re going through a divorce but you got to lay off those websites my girl
Shiv could not have been more embarrassing in this scene. This is evidenced by Greg calling her out 10 min later
Shiv was pathetic here
This scene made me so uncomfortable, I was like half looking at the TV
she doesnt have leverage, she is not in a position of power and greg holds all the cards knowing her secret. What does she end up doing ? meaningless insults like her dad, insults that would have had weight behind them due to her connection with her father.
so yeah she clearly does not know hot to play the game
Shiv after Logan dies tries even harder to sound like him and it just falls flat every time - Dip S41t Shiv strikes again
Shiv thought Greg was the same boy she took that last $20 Bill from in S1
Greg understands the Game
If it to be said so it is.
For a second I was like...are we about to go Game Of Thrones here....there is only 2 episodes left who knows.
"The seat sniffer gets a leg up, that's a deal"
Logan's kids did not learn anything from his lessons unfortunately
This scene reminds me of the ending scene in "Michael Clayton" where Michael (George Clooney) says to Karen (Tilda Swinton), "I'm not the guy that you kill, I'm the guy that you buy. Are you so f**king blind you don't even see what I am?" That line perfectly exemplifies Greg and why he rats on Shiv later in the episode. Shiv fails to realize that as long as she treats him well (i.e., bribe him), Greg will be the least of her problems. He is the simplest piece of the puzzle because he is so transparent about his selfishness.
Not sure anyone’s gonna post this. But the funniest part of this episode is Hugo, when he says “ah this guys so boring. Pull your dick out or something.” Lol couldn’t stop laughing
She's allergic to winning
Greg got the last laugh!
Even Logan knew how to make a deal with a guy like Greg, such a dumb move by Shiv, for a guy who's been around Tom for so long, her threats do nothing.
Not gonna lie I took 2 edibles before this episode and was high as hell, then this scene completely fucked with my head and I couldn't stop laughing simultaneously thinking this can't be real.
HBO going back to their GoT roots
Because Greg laters outs Shiv, and the brothers call the election, now we have Greg deciding the fate of the country for the next four years.
Greg called her bluff and broke all hell loose lol
"you find me attractive Greg?"
"You should see me in the wedding dress"
Shiv really thought she could intimate Greg 😂. She has no real power Ken and Roman have actual power in the company and it’s no wonder why Greg blabbed immediately when Ken confronted him. She could have bribed him but she was to egotistical to understand her lack of power in the situation to do so
I love how she called him "Gregory" to be infantilizing I suppose, big mistake for Shiv...
The way Greg responded to Shiv's accusation that he was with mattson really shows his character growth. Any other time in the series and he woulve been a bumbling mess
Shiv is such an clown that she actually made Greg more powerful in this pathetic attempt to intimidate him.
You only threaten people who have power over you. Should have made Greg a deal.
You know it’s bad when you can’t even make Greg feel bad and break. Shiv has no leverage and she’s a crappy Logan.
Her talking was so disgusting and insulting that he should've immediately tell Ken or Rom about her and Matsson.
But Greg still give her a chance that she is too stupid to aknowledge
That's what she gets for not giving his 20 dollars back for vending machine back in Season One.