quick correction: to say therapists don't diagnose is very inaccurate in the USA!!! There are various types of therapists here, and I am assuming you are thinking of counselors, who don't get masters degrees and, yeah, can't diagnose. However, LCSWs and other psychologists (this is actually the VAST majority of practicing therapists that you'll find in the USA) are absolutely 100% qualified to diagnose. They go through 6 years of school in order to do so. I think you are thinking of the system overseas, such as in CA or AU or the UK, where their word for "therapist" is essentially our word for "counsellor" and their word for "psychiatrist" is our word for "psychologist" here, a psychiatrist is ONLY for meds, and thus, can be not the right person to diagnose a lot of disorders that require psychotherapy to evaluate (psychiatrists never give psychotherapy!) I see this misinformation repeated a lot on tiktok and subreddits, so I really wanted to correct that, because I think people overseas and people in the states are confusing each other a lot! (by the way, if you google search, "can therapists in usa diagnose", you'll see many links to confirm this!)
Somewhat accurate, but therapists must have a masters to diagnose, not a bachelor's and specialize in the disorder. So please look into that, as I had to be evaluated by 4 different psychologists and even had to have brain scans and blood work and even neurological work done before being put on disability and diagnosed with CPTSD/DID. It took so long for the assesments and the work done! hense the reason some Psychologists have therapists licenses provoked as stated by Colin Ross. You have to have a DID specialist diagnose you. If you don't specialize in it it's dangerous and can lead to issues as shown in this video. Hope that helps. On a side note my own therapist has a masters and she still had psychologists and specialists do the work to clear out all other issues that may cause dissociative Identity issues. Even dr Phil talks about this issue on TV.
@@evamarie2247 yes, they do indeed need to have masters and I think that is where the confusion comes in, the category therapist can include many different licenses, and it gets confusing. Here are all the possible ones: Licensed professional counselors (LPCs) Licensed mental health counselors (LMHCs) Licensed marriage and family therapists (LMFTs) Licensed clinical social workers (LCSWs) Psychologists (PhDs or PsyDs) Psychiatrists (MDs or DOs) So the LPCs, and LMHCs, cannot diagnose. But if you see any of the other licences on a professionals page, they can diagnose. Its important to look at that when choosing one. But yeah absolutely is obscure and frustrating to navigate.
@ericd420 According to what I know they are not suppose to, as it's a disorder that needs special care and therapy formed to meet that person's needs. There also needs to be all testing to rule out all other issues they may cause identity altercations. They need to rule out things like even toxins your exposed to! These can cause confusion and cause identity issues and symptoms. Very very important to have everything else ruled out.
On a personal note my third therapist was a LCP and she crossed boundries she should never had and she also decided to miss Diagnose me. Hense the reason I push so hard to see a specialist in DID!
Wish people would stop calling this person a faker. Faking is deliberately misleading others. This person genuinely was misinformed and has now been honest haveing found that out. Please stop calling it faking. Fakers make it up for clout or are having a totally silly idea of what did could be.
Exactly, I was in the same situation, I was on tumblr communities that explain that DID is having people in your head, because I had people in my head interacting with me I thought I had that disorder, but in reality it was delusions and hallucinations, I got a psychiatrist and psychologist now
Exactly, it sounds like a mis-diagnosis to me. I have dissociation, and based of his words and symptoms he probably has a disaciative disorder thats not DID. Theres derealization disorder and dissociative amnesia which i think arent talked about enough, when poeple talk about dissociation.
I really empathize with the guy, because that happened to my friend. He thought he had DID, because of his delusions, but then it turned out he didn't. Like Frost, he believed he had it. He never put out any content anywhere so he didn't do any harm. He never lied to me or other friends, he thought he had it. Things like that happen, we all can be wrong sometimes. What's important is to say the truth and take responsibility
I appreciate that! I was so quick to assume Frost was faking to some extent, but you all have really helped me to understand that a lot of people can genuinely believe they have it.
I dont feel like it can be considered "faking" when they really thought they had it. like faking to me always implies a level of KNOWING you DONT have it and pretending to have symptoms in order to fake the disorder. With Sage (frost system) he sounds like he ACTUALLY was experiencing a lot of symptoms and just got confused into actually thinking he had it, so then in his own social media he was explaining his symptoms and experience using DID as an explanation for how he felt when obviously something else was going on. I feel bad giving him the stigma of being called a 'faker' or like he's faking illness for attention when it seems like he is actually really struggling with his internal sense of self /sense of identity. it may not be Dissociative IDentity Disorder, but he was obv. experiencing identity issues in some way.
@@izzy6455 totally. and apologies too if i used he, not sure if they use he or they ... especially considering the identity issues they probably DO use THEY but i dont know a lot about them just what is shown in this video. i do hope they are ok too and continue to recover and connect with a sense of self.
@@aliahpersonous2893 his symptoms do fit with other dissociative disorder that are grouped with DID and they present the same as DID, I understand why he was confused.
I disagree, because the vast majority of "fakers" are like this. People who are struggling in life and need support and then latch on to an incorrect diagnosis in the hopes of fixing their problems, but in the end causing serious harm to the communities they joined. If that does describe this person I don't know what does. "Faking" shouldn't be stigmatized like it is anyway.
My son has severe depression with psychosis. For a while we thought he might’ve had did because when he spirals into deep depressions, he hears voices & “feels” like a different person. Thankfully he’s got a great therapist & he’s on the proper meds & now he’s more stable.
@@maepicnic2460 I’m so glad you’re doing better & I’m happy to say my son is doing better as well. He’s got a great job, a loving supportive partner that my whole family adores & he’s training to be a chef. It took a lot of work & patience to get him here but I am so glad he made it thru some of his darkest days because he truly is the light of my life. I’ve got four kids (3 bio, one bonus)& they truly are my world. It is really hard to see your kid struggling and I’m sure your mom is very proud of you!!
I was that son! It's a thankless task. Thank-you, sincerely, for working with him and trying hard to understand him even through those deep depressions. I wish I could erase the worst memories I gave my mother.
Kudos to this person for coming clean! It really sounds like they do have some sort of dissociative disorder, just not this specific one, so this doesn't seem like faking to me. Hopefully they can help to spread awareness of what DID diagnosis actually entails.
This is why not self diagnosing is important. Instead of saying "I have DID", people should say "I *suspect* having DID and experience many of the symptoms of the disorder"
Actually, a therapist did tell us that we have DID and then proceeded to say it was better not to get a diagnosis! And she had good reasons: the disorder is very much stigmatized in this country, and there are a lot of therapists that will not want to work with someone with DID. It's all based on a lack of education on the subject. Most psychologists here only get 10 min lesson about DID (I checked with the universities because I want to become a psychologist) and many of them are not even well enough trauma-informed! Two years later, a psychiatrist gave us the diagnosis. In the meanwhile, we experienced very well how often you get rejected because the professional is 'not specialized' in DID. In this whole 6 million people area there are only a handful of people we can go to. (And they don't have room for new clients)
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they have osdd . They seem really genuine and the things they are saying about it reminds me of osdd a little bit. sure they could have just been confused but i think other possibilitys should be taken into consideration.
i started ifs therapy about a year ago, and discovered that everyone has these "parts" which act and do the same jobs as "alters" in a system would. the thing is, this is a really really common thing for anyone whos experienced trauma, the existence of subconscious singular identities is a HUMAN trait, that becomes more pronounced as we experience things that our brain doesn't know how to cope with. what differentiates someone who has access to and has opened conversation with their parts, and someone who has DID, is the amnesia barriers and identity fractures, that's it. I mean also the severe trauma and ptsd symptoms but that's not exclusive to DID. Someone who experiences depersonalization to a strong degree may actually feel like these parts of them are entirely different people, but that doesn't mean that they have DID. I know i've experienced this, i have really bad dissociation too; ive had episodes where I realized that i could almost fully empathize with what DID would feel like, if only i had experienced amnesia and a more fractured identity alongside it. dissociation is a spectrum, and people who have been traumatized have the capacity to dissociate to such a degree that is considered severe, but DID is like, the end of the spectrum. people seem to forget that DID isn't multiple people inside one body, it is ONE person fractured into several distinct identities that are separated with amnesia and so therefore have their own experiences and feelings when fronting which causes them to feel like they are entirely different people. Everyone else has these identities too!! but you're still one whole person and those identities are a "part" of you or your "self", not fractured from your "self". the existence of those parts + dissociation doesn't mean you have DID!! i suggest learning more about ifs if you want to know more about this topic. you'll notice that parts get sectioned into their roles, much like how alters do. its a normal human experience that psychology is only starting to get a grasp on since the past few decades.
I got diagnosed with DID at fairly young (17) compated to when people are usually diagnosed (30s). In an effort to learn about what the fuck was happening to me, I went onto tiktok and started hunting for people who also had my disorder. Unfortunatly I learned very quickly that 99% of people who claim to have DID on that stupid app are "self diagnosed" or outright faking. It made learning to accept myself (selves?) very challenging and I still sometimes have the intrusive thought that the psychologist was wrong, despite them being a DID specialist. I wish tiktok would be banned already.
This made me realize that I might not have OSDD. In all honesty, I related a lot to what they said. I'll look into it more and I really appreciate this video because I've been feeling like it's possible I have some other disorder causing identity disturbances. Have a good day! :)
It’s confusing because people with DID are already so prone to denial and self-doubt, so seeing people who don’t have it mimic it or emulate it stirs up so much internal conflict in people who do have it. Plus being fake claimed is so painful that most of us don’t want to fakeclaim someone else, even if we feel like something is off. For me-the people that seem to cosplay…each alter wears a different wig, extensive makeup, and seems almost like a character, not a person, that makes me feel untrusting of their diagnosis. When the DSM talks about distinct personality states--they don’t mean exaggerated TV personas. Distinct in DID means they feel very much themselves, as one person, to the point where they might not even be aware that another part/alter also feels very much like one full person, and each of their preferences and goals, lifestyle choices and habits can clash with eachother to the point where they are deeply distressed and unable to get ahead in life or function consistently and support themselves or hold stable relationships. That’s what distinct means. It doesnt mean so visually different that they each look like different video game characters. Sure, some people with overt DID can and do have different styles, but that’s not the premise or the face of the condition, it’s one symptom of many. Most of the time I am so dissociated and fatigued that I pull on whatever clothes I have around me and comb my hair and that’s that. When you’re suffering from intense and compartmentalized trauma--most of your energy goes to just getting through the day. I have alters that have more joy or energy and don’t remember the trauma, but they don’t have executive control of our time and the body, just as much as I don’t. So it’s fleeting to the outsider who witnesses it. And lastly, it’s extremely hard to show switches, to be clear and transparent and even forthcoming about different alters. A lot of people with DID have alters that have been abused into secrecy and have learned to fear the outside world. Most of us can’t control when they front or gain control of the body, so even when we’re happy and doing well-we don’t try to trigger a switch because we have no idea who could front and how it would effect us. It’s not something I could ever do on a whim or because I simply wanted too. Of course switches can be caught on camera and posted online and people do it and it can be educational--but the videos where people are changing personas to show off their different parts for fun leave me feeling very uncomfortable and suspicious.
It's interesting to see how the words you have in your life can effect your experience. When I was in high school, I experienced many of the things the Frost system was saying in these clips...things about lacking a sense of self identity and having seemingly dichotomous opinions about things. But the concept of 'multiple personalities' had barely been introduced to me, and only in the form of 'crazy killers' in movies like Psycho. What I had *lots* of experience with was imaginary friends. So when names and faces and style choices and entire backgrounds came swimming up out of the depths of my mind, that's what I classified them as...*really* well fleshed out imaginary friends. I called them 'self-perpetuating autonomous subconscious constructs', because I liked to sound like I'd swallowed a dictionary and I thought that these were simply characters that I had put *so* much life into that they could hold entire conversations with each other and other living people on their own, no conscious input from me needed. I'd observe something in the world and have seven different reactions all at once, and it was just 'my imaginary friends' reacting with me. I never had anything I would consider 'trauma', so I had no reason to think of what I was experiencing as 'symptoms', and I had a ready-made explanation for what these 'people' in my head were. If I had known modern descriptions of DID, I might have also wondered if that's what was going on, and how I handled the situation may have been very different. The study of the mind is still so new and incomplete, and we can't physically go in and measure how other people think and feel, so it's not surprising that mistakes like this can happen and misinformation get spread through people just trying to share their experiences. I can only hope for a world sometime in the future where we know enough to prevent accidental harm like this, while still supporting everyone who needs it.
I just want to say... I totally get his point about cat ears being both cool AND cringy at the same time lol . Truer words never spoken ,my dude. Both thoughts can DEFINITELY be true at once .
Then you don't have DID. Alters are separate personalities to protect the mind, there's no purpose in you having alters of yourself at different ages. You might be dissociated and mentally regressing along with other mental health issues but not a system.
@@ROYALRAT123 I have been diagnosed with it. I don't dress up in different clothes and I mostly don't remember what I have done. I can communicate with one of them. All seems to be from different traumatic experiences at different ages. Like they're stuck at that age. I think I will stick with the medical professionals diagnosis
Even though I have been formally diagnosed, videos like this is why I give SOME grace to those who don’t believe in DID. Case in point, my bf is incredulous of the disorder( we are in a long distance relationship), but he knows something is “off”. My job is not to convince him believe me, but to inform him so he can make a choice. My responsibility is to continue treatment and contribute anyway I can to society.
Ik it’s not the same but I was diagnosed at 9 with adhd and autism and if somebody owned up to being mislead or faking it I would of felt abit more comfortable because atleast they admitted there wrong?
*This* is why self diagnosis is not valid. I don’t care how much you “researched“ one condition, a doctor has done extensive research on multiple conditions that have overlapping symptoms. We’ve done tests on this and if you give someone a list of psychiatric symptoms and tell them that they might have something, they will check every single box and accept it. It’s just a bias we have in our brains. So someone who might have ADHD or might have a dissociativedisorder the symptoms of autism and say “Yep, that sounds like me “, but a doctor would be able to pick out the nuances of what makes one disorder different from the other. It’s painful and frustrating to watch our patients harm themselves this way - many of these people have providers and just won’t hear of other possibilities. It extends beyond psychological symptoms; I lost a patient to brain cancer that she so strongly believed to be cluster headaches that I could not get her in an MRI until it was too late. Just flat refused. That was her choice, I know that, but she left behind very hurt and confused children. And that’s another thing… clinicians aren’t against self dx because it cuts into our pay. I’m so sick of hearing that! We grieve when we lose a patient who did not need to die. We want the best for our patients or we wouldn’t be in this field anymore, that’s for damn sure.
Except doctors are not infallible and often misdiagnose themselves especially in regards to mental health disorders due to their own biases. This video literally is a self diagnoses that was spurred on from a mental health professional… yes they were a therapist not a psychologist but most people aren’t aware of that difference. Most people think that if your medical professional thats enough credibility. You dont know the people who self diagnose or why they do that. And unless you willing to pay for them to get one from doctor that you are almost entirely sure will diagnose accurately and without bias, you should not stress yourself about it…
Yeah that seems legit until you remember not everyone can afford doctors, doctors with prejudice, lack of doctors around, and the simple fact that even if you think you are for example autistic, but you aren't, sometimes the methods to cope still work. Self diagnosis does not take resources from those with a diagnosis, and while some who self diagnosis wwri fly might dramatize it, or otherwise stigmatize it, people who believe that's how all with that diagnosis often don't actually care, and held those beliefs regardless.
also the only reason you would need a diagnosis is get a right to acommodations, disability benefits etc and for the professional to know how to treat you best. nothing that self diagnosis can give you, so why would someone need to self diagnose when it does nothing what a real diagnosis does
I'm just glad they came forward and admitted what they did. It's also great to see them join the fight against misinformation. It would have been better if they didn't do that, but they were young and have at least learned their lesson.
I'm glad he came forward but something you should know. A therapist can't diagnose did. If they suspect you have that type of disorder they have to refer you to a psychologist who can make that kind of diagnosis.
Actually in the US some therapist CAN diagnose disorders. My psyc diagnosed my PTSD and sent to a specific therapist to work with. It was that therapist who DXd my BPD
@Droxzy1angel Really!. I didn't know that. My therapist referred me to a psychologist for an official diagnosis. But I still work with my therapist too.
To be honest, their case sounds like legitimate DID. Compartmentalization and separateness in the perception of one’s own experience and psyche because of the inability to accept/integrate experiences and aspects of yourself as being actually yours. Hence why those aspects are perceived as coming from someone else. I would honestly describe their epiphany as a widespread integration.
Oh Jesus. Nevermind. I found the Paige and they have done documentaries with the AC system and a few other really high profile… I’m not gonna say fakers but we’ll say self diagnosed young adults.
We were honestly devastated by this specific case (the frost “system”). We’ve been following them for ages because we have a very similar presentation to their DID, we are now scared we’re faking even though we’re in a treatment plan for the disorder. We’re honestly disappointed in winter for believing a therapists opinion is enough. I’ve heard in some states that therapists can diagnose but not in England and that’s for a reason, people need to realise. A therapist is not enough. A psychologist AT LEAST should be who you speak to in terms of proper diagnosis.
Please don't be too frightened by it! While presentation might have been similar you are in no exact same situation that be the reason of WHY it did represent that way. Much love and sending answers your way.
@@grifrobinson9874 is it in all states? I’m sorry I’m new to American health”care”, I’m British and therapists would be immediately fired if they attempted to diagnose over here…
@@TheCollectveOfAnythingGoes The system over here is completely different to the one there. Therapists are absolutely experts. Psychiatrists, which is the only other alternative you might have in mind, spend most of their years in med school learning about biological factors to enable them to better prescribe meds, not necessarily evaluate. Actually, a psychologist (which is what a therapist actually is here) is much better qualified than a psychiatrist to make an evaluation, in almost every circumstance, because psychologists will certainly get to know their patients better in more depth. The ideal situation here in the states is to have both a psychiatrist and a psychologist, but if you could choose only one to make an accurate diagnosis - the psychologist is going to make the better one, basically every time. Many psychiatrists prefer to diagnose based off the opinion of the psychologist/therapist, it makes their job much easier. But does the psychiatrists' diagnose carry more weight than a therapist? No. Insurance treats them the same.
I’m questioning OSDD-1b but from this video I’m now even more unsure if I do have it or not. I’m waiting for the appointment with the psychologist so don’t come at me for saying I need to see someone because I am simply just waiting and wanting to gather more information. A random person appeared in my head with no name and really wanted a name however I have already established my identity. Now my confusion is that if she’s real or not is making her question herself. How do I tell whether it’s OSDD-1b or just experiencing confusion like they did
I get what he’s saying. I have bpd and did. It took me a while to realize some aspects of myself weren’t alters, but different states of my mind. It can get confusing.
So I have adhd (combined but inattentive leaning), bipolar disorder, anxiety, depression and CPTSD from being SAed as a child. I found the furry fandom around the same time the my trauma began. It's given me an outlet and an ability to grow. I clearly have identity issues because of the trauma and bipolar but as a child I didn't always like my name. Like it wasn't I want a different name, just didn't always fit. I still don't understand myself that much but I do disassociate but I've always "daydreamed" 😅
how can you have depression and bipolar when depression is part of bipolar ? or were you firsy diagnosed with only depression and later on with bipolar ?
There is no way we can have any sort of accurate statistics on detransitioners because it's not really reported on because the ones who do speak out are treated horribly by the community. So many of them go through all of this alone.
This person is so incredibly talented at FX makeup and they used it to fake a very devastating and disruptive disorder for clout. They could have easily had a successful career in the movie industry. If I was making a movie I would have hired them in a heartbeat to do the FX makeup. I enjoy their skill level. First video I saw them about DID I knew they were faking. I would feel some sympathy if they had not carried on as long as they did, generated income, and went onto shows. Because of public figures faking DID for clout the general public does not believe a the story of someone who actually HAS and LIVES WITH DID because it doesn't match the dramatized DID they saw on social media/ television. To protray DID as cosplay or roleplaying is an insult to those who have it. Yes, alters can have different hairstyles, clothing, makeup, etc. As Dr. Robinson said in the McLean video DID is a disorder of HIDDENNESS. The point is to not know when an alter has presenting because they are protecting the core person. Admittedly, as someone with DID whenever I hear someone say they have DID I am automatically suspicious because of this fake disorder trend.
But they weren’t conscious and aware that they didn’t have it. This person genially believed that they had the disorder, which is VERY different from some 12 year old wanting to be different and thus deciding consciously to fake a disorder. This person didn’t fake DID for clout, they simply and genuinely thought that they had it. Discovering that about yourself takes a lot of work and effort, and realizing that your way of life has been wrong for however long you’ve been doing this is probably incredibly difficult. This comment seems to be villainising them, which I don’t think is warranted on this situation.
@_pan-tastic_28 i think the presentation of DID they portrayed is what makes me think part of it was for clout. The therapist did this person a disservice by giving them a false diagnosis. I sympathize with that aspect of their confession because a false diagnosis can be very devastating. I was told by a few mental health professionals i had bipolar. I believed it for years. I'm not trying to villainize them but their actions can and will directly impact those who genuinely have DID. People with genuine DID will share their story and get told "you don't have it, you're faking because I saw it on Tik Tok and it's not how you say it is". It's happened to me and I've read stories where it's happened to others.
@@imitationsofmyselfI agree with what you’re saying, especially when it comes to mental health specialists falsely informing and falsely diagnosing someone. But what part of their presentation of DID in particular made you feel like it was for clout? I’m not really understanding that part of your comment.
@_pan-tastic_28 any time someone that doesn't have a disorder, even if they think they have profits off that disorder or makes it their entire social media image I consider clout. This person did like the attention they were getting. Their videos got more and more elaborate. The more alters the more money made. Happened in the case of Billy Milligan who I believe genuinely had DID and 10 alters. I assume they made money. Most people with genuine DID do not profit off the disorder much less make it our entire identity. They don't make a big show of it because their is a lot of shame and stigma with the disorder. So I don't have much sympathy for people who become social media stars perpetuating an inaccurate presentation of a disorder they don't even have them say sorry and expect to be forgiven. Like with Leticia Stauch case. Her sorry isn't going to erase the fact she perpetuated the false image that people with DID kill people. A simple sorry won't undo damage and stigma to people that genuinely have the disorder being faked. The people on social media that make DID this big show make it harder for people who actually have it to tell their story because their case is nothing like the movies or social media..
they did not even get a false diagnosis, therapist saying or agreeing what you say is not diagnosis. therapist are not there to disagree with you and invalidate your experiences, but diagnosis if different than someone saying yes you might have it or i think you have it. many professionals have said to me they think i have something without making a diagnosis of it at that point. same with mental health professionals who are not even allowed to make diagnoses.
Not gonna lie, I am quite shocked to learn that they dont have D.I.D, especially when I shared their video about them having it, with my best friend to help her understand someone like myelf. I've suffered from D.I.D for over 31 years, and seeing representation made us not feel alone, but on top of fakeclaimers, and people acutally faking D.I.D, it's becoming hard just living as a system.
Lemme just say I'm proud of the people owning up to the faking stuff. They are hella strong for that; and I'm proud of them because it takes a lot of guts to be like y'all I did this. A lot of people will be ripped to shreds for it. But I honestly think it's a really nice thing to do; to be honest and sorry to those they truly care about within that community. So to those owning up you're doing amazing; and for those that are still in the middle of it all; it's gonna be okay and you're gonna be where you need to be. Forgive yourself and others and move forward. And remember to take care of yourself and listen to what you truly need :°} it's okay and I'm here to say you're allowed to exist even if you have mental illness or not. You're allowed to breathe and be yourself. And love yourself. Heck not just allowed you are free to be you. Don't let no one tell you you can't be yourself. I just want you to know there is hope for us all. And seeing this video gives me hope for those that struggle with faking; faking is an illness itself with actual other underlying issues beneath it they may not know about as well as us. Thank you for your awesome videos these make me happy. Because I know people will hear each other and care about each other enough to hear everyone. So this always helps for all of us. May good energies and comfort as well as peace be sent all ways and through and through to you all.
From my understanding DID is divisive in the psychology community with most believing that it isn’t real, so DID is usually treated with a lot of caution with psychologists. Of course that’s not to say that there aren’t other issues going on and I can see how pretending to be someone else can be a coping mechanism.
I disagree that people who don’t have a specific disorder they are not capable to have comprehensive knowledge on it. Otherwise therapist could only treat people with the same mental illnesses as them.
It’s more likely they made people dislike them by faking authority on the subject instead of being honest and saying idk what this is but I’m going to figure it out and it might be DID but it could be another dissociative disorder so let’s do this together. That would’ve been honest.
So before I watch this video, you could kinda consider me a "faker" except I had a therapist, psychologist and psychiatrist when I was just 12. At 12 I was diagnosed with OCD, which is completely real, unmedicated, it's terrible. Then at 13, I was misdiagnosed with Complex PTSD. Which is now changed from my new therapist to just PTSD. Also at 13, I was let me rephrase, my psychologist and psychiatrist, thought they had "diagnosed" me with MPD(what is now called DID) and started to be medicated for both. When I started medication, the "medicine" for DID was an antipsychotic, Ropinirole. This gave me hallucinations and delusions making me actually think I had different "people" inside of me. Even off of the medication, I was still experiencing these delusions and hallucinations for 2 years. My therapist now told me I had been a victim of "prescription pushing" from my psychologist (he was arrested because he did it to multiple people). This was when I turned 16. For years afterwards I tried and struggled to find who my true self was, I had been lied to for 3-4 years of my life as a preteen into a teenager. Finally at the age of 21, I got an answer. I have OCD, passed from my mom, and PTSD from my childhood trauma, SA. From this I still have a hard time believing the PTSD until I actually get triggered from a smell or an object, place, or a TV show. I'm now almost 24 years old and have had the same therapist since I was 21. She is amazing at what she does. I have fully recovered from the hallucinations and delusions, but still sometimes hear my name being called when no one says it. When this happens, I immediately contact her to let her know it may be returning. She keeps a log about how frequently it happens, which is only about once every 4-6 months. Which is a thing called auditory pareidolia. It's where background noise affects your hearing perceptions. Overall I do feel a lot better not being medicated and using the techniques that work well for me to get through triggering moments
when i told my trauma therapist that i have been diagnosed with unspecified psychotic disorder and i hallucinate, he said that with mever recearch they have found that many people with ptsd siffer from hallucinations, that is most likely the reason for those not the medication, cause that medication is actually used to treat hallucinations and delusions. in my case my hallucinations are not related to my trauma so i said it is not because of that, also schizophrenia and psychosis comes from both sides of my family. my brother is schizophrenic and my mother has schizoaffective (aka symptoms of bipolar & schizophrenia) i also have bipolar like my mother. all those mentioned except ptsd are genetic. but in many cases ptsd does cause hallucinations, but not the same kind of that people with psychotic disorders have and not for the same reason. i certainöy dont believe the medication caused those, cause like i said it literally is used to treat it, and if it was because of the medication it would have stopped when you stopped the medication, or a while after. still the doctor was in the wrong cause i have never heard of neuroleptics used for trauma related illnesses, they are used in small doses for insomnia and in much higher doses for bipolar and psychotic disorders. my therapist also told that they might cause dissociation to lessen, cause you need high IQ and good imagination to be able dissociate and the way those meds work is literally making you dumber and slowing your brain. i've experienced this effect from my bipolar/psychosis meds but thay does not mean they are or should be used for dissociation from for example ptsd or even did
and ao you dont get confused neuroleptics are the same thing as antipsychotic meds. i'be been on maybe 20 different of those and with none of them were hallucinations mentioned as potential side-effects
Now i even more confuse, 'cause today i watched interview with system (they were professional diagnosed) and they were talking about their experience as they are one person. Like they are different fragments of one personality. And it make me confuse, cause that first time i heard it from this perspective and it's close to my experience. And I never consider myself a system. And I had a partner who is system, and their experience was not like mine. So is it possible for system think of themselves as one personality with many voices inside? Or it's misdiagnosis? Or it's actually a variation on D.I.D. spectrum?
Quite frankly, what this person went through and what those professionally diagnosed people you watched are going through is probably a more genuine reflection of what DID is actually supposed to be. There’s a lot of people out there who due to trauma, media, identity crisis, and attention really glamorize DID and mentally they enjoy making different characters and basically alter egos because I guess it helps compartmentalize? And makes it feel more fun instead of distressing? It’s sorta like using role play to compartmentalize and cope with trauma in a way that I think can make them feel less ashamed. This is a very new form of DID expression though, and has a very clear link to social media. That isn’t to say it isn’t valid, but basically I think these people with DID who are expressing themselves like this are basically using a form of role play to cope with their trauma, and in their head, separating parts of themselves into distinct identities helps them more clearly understand all the different aspects and complexities of themself. It’s sorta like breaking themselves into multiple 2D frames, instead of looking at the fully 3 dimensional person that they are. For example, I have what I guess could medically be considered a form of DID, but it’s quite different from the presentation of these popular DID tiktokers. As a kid I had multiple imaginary friends that showed up as a response to trauma. The main one, who I have to this day, basically is my self love and my protecter. He’d be beside me to help me through hard things, he’d be there to comfort me and show me love when I couldn’t love myself, he’d help me get up and practice self care when I didn’t have the strength to do it alone, and occasionally when I had to go through something extremely stressful and overwhelming that I couldn’t handle myself, I’d ask him to take over and do it for me, and he would. If I was a teenager in this day and age and on TikTok, I’d almost certainly think I have DID, and there’s a good chance that I’d lean into breaking down the parts of myself even further instead of healing and bringing those pieces together. Even as an adult, I used to sometimes do this mental game (this may sound silly and cringy but I don’t care and I’m autistic so whatever lmao) were I break myself into multiple parts (the ((and this is all in quotes cause it’s embarrassing to think of any part of myself like this but ya know what? Sometimes self love is being cringy and egotistical)) calm collected smart side, the cool edgy self, the mischievous witch, the obvious kid self, etc) and I’ll have a mental conversation between these sides just as a way to help myself process information and make decisions. Cause it can help me mentally break things down and basically have a conversation with myself and see what parts of me think what about an idea. It actually can be incredibly helpful and a useful tool. If I was younger though and saw videos about DID on TikTok, I would most likely have ended up splitting those mental characters of parts of myself (or the ideal version of parts of myself) into alters. This wouldn’t have been helpful though. I would have just further fragmented myself into multiple alter egos composed of different versions of myself as the most extreme and ideal fantasy alter ego of those characteristics. I wouldn’t just be fragmenting my identity, but I’d be creating fantasy versions of those pieces of identity. And while it’s okay and can be useful for me to do that occasionally in a daydream while contemplating a decision, doing that long term can cause more harm than good. As I’ve gotten older and healed, I talk to my imaginary friend less. He still shows up when I need him, but as I grow older, we’ve merged more into the same person. I used to need him to help me because I was missing things in my life due to trauma, loneliness, and a lack of self love, and I needed an “external” being to give me those things, but now I’m mostly able to find that fulfillment within. I don’t need him as much because I am him, we just got separated because of the trauma I went through as a kid. Of course, this is just an example of a positive and loving fragmented piece of self. I did use to have darker parts of myself that come out sometimes, but they were never imaginary friends because my imaginary friends were only every things I needed (like an imaginary friend who was a mother figure). As a kid though, I did have episodes that my mom would describe as me “being possessed by a demon and becoming evil”. Then as a teen, I was incredibly edgy and for a time thought I was a fallen angel lmao... However, I’d chalk this all up to 1. Autistic child meltdowns and 2. Being an emo hormonal teen. All pretty normal stuff in the scheme of things. You better believe tho that if I learned about DID as a teen I’d have a badass demon alter. Back then though we’d just role play lmao. Basically, it’s completely normal and actually the more “traditional” form of DID to not have alters in the way that many younger people in these online circles have. That isn’t to say that they’re lying, but simply that due to this being an identity and dissociation related disorder, symptoms and presentation can be heavily influenced by external influences, particularly social support groups.
It’s possible the person in this video actually did (and does) have DID, but once they worked more on healing themselves they no longer felt like they deserved to say they do, simply because they no longer fit the flashy exciting TikTok version of DID, instead of the genuine raw understanding of knowing that trauma has fragmented your self of self, and instead of being a lot of interesting characters, you’re just one, broken individual, who needs to become whole again
We need to talk about dissociative disorders more because there are two other disorders grouped with DID. He is listing symptoms of dissociation and sounds like he probably does in fact struggle with a disaciative disorder and its probably why him and his therapist were confused and thought it was DID. There is Depersonalization/derealization disorder and dissociative amnesia disorder as well as DID. If your struggling with dissociation I recommend looking into all 3 disorders and mention all 3 when talking to a professional. I have 20+ year of therapy treatment and i cannot honestly tell you which of the 3 i have because they present similar some symptoms are the same, and they can feel the similar because of the dissociation thats involved in all 3 disorders. I suport self diagnosis, I believe it helps people get accommodated and diagnosed, however, a dissociative disorder should not be self diagnosised, you should definitely consult professional with these disorders. Especially DID i believe it involves both psychosis and neurosis. DID stems from repeated childhood truama which can be dangerous to handle on your own. They all are also very covert disorders and the only conclusions I can come to after years of researching all 3 disorders is that I have dissociation. Please self diagnosis responsibility, and know when to be concerned when researching and please consult your doctor if its something as serious as DID. There are not a lot of accommodation for dissociation without professional help anyways other than accepting you dissociate. Edit: Im not trying to diagnose anyone or this man, I wanted an excuse to talk about the other 2 major dissociative disorder, because misdiagnoses does hapen and its important to talk about. Im not a medical professional just well informed patient based on my experience as a disabled person with in the medical feild.
but i dont see the benefit of self disagnosis, the reason someone need real diagnosis is for the right to have accomodations, disability benefits etc and in my country right for cheaper medication for some disorders, right for sick retirement depending on the severity of your situation. and for the professionals to know how to treat you best. none of those things do you get with selfdiagnosis, and on the other hand i think it causes harm, wrong kind of treatment, the person to be not open for any other diagnosis cause they already have decided they have something specific, even when they dont actually have it. before people used to seek help when they struggled severly enough and with that soonee or later they got diagnosis aka the reason/explanationnfor their symptoms. now people who face normal things that everyone deals with, they search for explanations and names for it, or see something on the internet and feel like it sound just like what they experience, while not undesyanding that everyone has symtoms of almost every mental illness, what differenciates it from being normal human experience vs disorder is that do those symtoms have severe negative affect to you or people around you in multiple ways, like in work/school, everyday life, your ability and capacity to do normal things, relationships etc if it does not, it is compelely normal and there is no need to diagnose you with anything. in simpler way: if you dont need help you are not sick and there is no need for diagnosis, and most likely you would not even get one. another reason why would someone need to selfdiagnose if they dont even have the ability for no matter what reason to get any kind of treatment.
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Imo no one should take anything as fact. I support whatever people want to be. But, I always keep in the back of my mind to be skeptical as the incorrect approach can hurt those who may actually have it. Otherwise, I love your content. ❤ great videos and throughout analysis great work. 👍 ALMOND JOY OR SNICKERS
No, it's an actual neurological disorder. Now, people may or may not have it publicly on the internet. People with mental illness, neurological, and people who are neurodivergent exist. Do your research before making that assumption.
quick correction: to say therapists don't diagnose is very inaccurate in the USA!!! There are various types of therapists here, and I am assuming you are thinking of counselors, who don't get masters degrees and, yeah, can't diagnose. However, LCSWs and other psychologists (this is actually the VAST majority of practicing therapists that you'll find in the USA) are absolutely 100% qualified to diagnose. They go through 6 years of school in order to do so. I think you are thinking of the system overseas, such as in CA or AU or the UK, where their word for "therapist" is essentially our word for "counsellor" and their word for "psychiatrist" is our word for "psychologist"
here, a psychiatrist is ONLY for meds, and thus, can be not the right person to diagnose a lot of disorders that require psychotherapy to evaluate (psychiatrists never give psychotherapy!)
I see this misinformation repeated a lot on tiktok and subreddits, so I really wanted to correct that, because I think people overseas and people in the states are confusing each other a lot! (by the way, if you google search, "can therapists in usa diagnose", you'll see many links to confirm this!)
Somewhat accurate, but therapists must have a masters to diagnose, not a bachelor's and specialize in the disorder. So please look into that, as I had to be evaluated by 4 different psychologists and even had to have brain scans and blood work and even neurological work done before being put on disability and diagnosed with CPTSD/DID. It took so long for the assesments and the work done! hense the reason some Psychologists have therapists licenses provoked as stated by Colin Ross. You have to have a DID specialist diagnose you. If you don't specialize in it it's dangerous and can lead to issues as shown in this video. Hope that helps. On a side note my own therapist has a masters and she still had psychologists and specialists do the work to clear out all other issues that may cause dissociative Identity issues. Even dr Phil talks about this issue on TV.
@@evamarie2247 yes, they do indeed need to have masters and I think that is where the confusion comes in, the category therapist can include many different licenses, and it gets confusing. Here are all the possible ones:
Licensed professional counselors (LPCs)
Licensed mental health counselors (LMHCs)
Licensed marriage and family therapists (LMFTs)
Licensed clinical social workers (LCSWs)
Psychologists (PhDs or PsyDs)
Psychiatrists (MDs or DOs)
So the LPCs, and LMHCs, cannot diagnose. But if you see any of the other licences on a professionals page, they can diagnose. Its important to look at that when choosing one. But yeah absolutely is obscure and frustrating to navigate.
@celemthegreenlion8059 LCPs can diagnose in my state. I cant find anything that disputes this for other states.
@ericd420 According to what I know they are not suppose to, as it's a disorder that needs special care and therapy formed to meet that person's needs. There also needs to be all testing to rule out all other issues they may cause identity altercations. They need to rule out things like even toxins your exposed to! These can cause confusion and cause identity issues and symptoms. Very very important to have everything else ruled out.
On a personal note my third therapist was a LCP and she crossed boundries she should never had and she also decided to miss Diagnose me. Hense the reason I push so hard to see a specialist in DID!
Wish people would stop calling this person a faker. Faking is deliberately misleading others. This person genuinely was misinformed and has now been honest haveing found that out. Please stop calling it faking. Fakers make it up for clout or are having a totally silly idea of what did could be.
Thank you for the feedback. I changed the title
Exactly, I was in the same situation, I was on tumblr communities that explain that DID is having people in your head, because I had people in my head interacting with me I thought I had that disorder, but in reality it was delusions and hallucinations, I got a psychiatrist and psychologist now
Yes, faking is deliberate. It sounds like he really thought he had it but it turned out to not be so (some other disorders have similar symptoms).
Exactly, it sounds like a mis-diagnosis to me. I have dissociation, and based of his words and symptoms he probably has a disaciative disorder thats not DID. Theres derealization disorder and dissociative amnesia which i think arent talked about enough, when poeple talk about dissociation.
@@lunazeismann5253 you’re just as delusional as he was lol😂
Openly changing your stance takes courage
I really empathize with the guy, because that happened to my friend. He thought he had DID, because of his delusions, but then it turned out he didn't. Like Frost, he believed he had it. He never put out any content anywhere so he didn't do any harm. He never lied to me or other friends, he thought he had it. Things like that happen, we all can be wrong sometimes. What's important is to say the truth and take responsibility
I appreciate that! I was so quick to assume Frost was faking to some extent, but you all have really helped me to understand that a lot of people can genuinely believe they have it.
The same thing happened to me, now I’m diagnosed with delusional disorder, it cause people in our head and introjects from famous figures too
I dont feel like it can be considered "faking" when they really thought they had it. like faking to me always implies a level of KNOWING you DONT have it and pretending to have symptoms in order to fake the disorder. With Sage (frost system) he sounds like he ACTUALLY was experiencing a lot of symptoms and just got confused into actually thinking he had it, so then in his own social media he was explaining his symptoms and experience using DID as an explanation for how he felt when obviously something else was going on. I feel bad giving him the stigma of being called a 'faker' or like he's faking illness for attention when it seems like he is actually really struggling with his internal sense of self /sense of identity. it may not be Dissociative IDentity Disorder, but he was obv. experiencing identity issues in some way.
Absolutely agree they seem very genuine and they have very clear identity issues and trauma, too. I hope they are OK.
@@izzy6455 totally. and apologies too if i used he, not sure if they use he or they ... especially considering the identity issues they probably DO use THEY but i dont know a lot about them just what is shown in this video.
i do hope they are ok too and continue to recover and connect with a sense of self.
Their symptoms do not fit 🤷. Plus they appear to have been wholly aware, which is not a thing that happens in DID.
@@aliahpersonous2893 his symptoms do fit with other dissociative disorder that are grouped with DID and they present the same as DID, I understand why he was confused.
I disagree, because the vast majority of "fakers" are like this. People who are struggling in life and need support and then latch on to an incorrect diagnosis in the hopes of fixing their problems, but in the end causing serious harm to the communities they joined. If that does describe this person I don't know what does. "Faking" shouldn't be stigmatized like it is anyway.
My son has severe depression with psychosis. For a while we thought he might’ve had did because when he spirals into deep depressions, he hears voices & “feels” like a different person. Thankfully he’s got a great therapist & he’s on the proper meds & now he’s more stable.
My mom had to deal with me being like this. Her support and acknowledgement helped me heal.
@@maepicnic2460 I’m so glad you’re doing better & I’m happy to say my son is doing better as well. He’s got a great job, a loving supportive partner that my whole family adores & he’s training to be a chef. It took a lot of work & patience to get him here but I am so glad he made it thru some of his darkest days because he truly is the light of my life. I’ve got four kids (3 bio, one bonus)& they truly are my world. It is really hard to see your kid struggling and I’m sure your mom is very proud of you!!
I was that son!
It's a thankless task. Thank-you, sincerely, for working with him and trying hard to understand him even through those deep depressions. I wish I could erase the worst memories I gave my mother.
Kudos to this person for coming clean! It really sounds like they do have some sort of dissociative disorder, just not this specific one, so this doesn't seem like faking to me. Hopefully they can help to spread awareness of what DID diagnosis actually entails.
This is why these tiktokers spreading misinformation about these disorders is so dangerous!
This is why not self diagnosing is important. Instead of saying "I have DID", people should say "I *suspect* having DID and experience many of the symptoms of the disorder"
Actually, a therapist did tell us that we have DID and then proceeded to say it was better not to get a diagnosis! And she had good reasons: the disorder is very much stigmatized in this country, and there are a lot of therapists that will not want to work with someone with DID. It's all based on a lack of education on the subject. Most psychologists here only get 10 min lesson about DID (I checked with the universities because I want to become a psychologist) and many of them are not even well enough trauma-informed! Two years later, a psychiatrist gave us the diagnosis. In the meanwhile, we experienced very well how often you get rejected because the professional is 'not specialized' in DID. In this whole 6 million people area there are only a handful of people we can go to. (And they don't have room for new clients)
I find it odd that people immediately jump to did rather than borderline personality disorder
Was thinking the exact same thing when this video popped up in my feed today and I got halfway through it
I noticed BPD gets misdiagnosed all the time tbh. NPD is another one a lot of BPD people get diagnosed with at first.
Someone genuinely believing they have a disorder isn’t faking
Frost seems like such a gentle and kind soul. I watched this unfold on tik tok.
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they have osdd . They seem really genuine and the things they are saying about it reminds me of osdd a little bit. sure they could have just been confused but i think other possibilitys should be taken into consideration.
i started ifs therapy about a year ago, and discovered that everyone has these "parts" which act and do the same jobs as "alters" in a system would. the thing is, this is a really really common thing for anyone whos experienced trauma, the existence of subconscious singular identities is a HUMAN trait, that becomes more pronounced as we experience things that our brain doesn't know how to cope with.
what differentiates someone who has access to and has opened conversation with their parts, and someone who has DID, is the amnesia barriers and identity fractures, that's it. I mean also the severe trauma and ptsd symptoms but that's not exclusive to DID. Someone who experiences depersonalization to a strong degree may actually feel like these parts of them are entirely different people, but that doesn't mean that they have DID. I know i've experienced this, i have really bad dissociation too; ive had episodes where I realized that i could almost fully empathize with what DID would feel like, if only i had experienced amnesia and a more fractured identity alongside it. dissociation is a spectrum, and people who have been traumatized have the capacity to dissociate to such a degree that is considered severe, but DID is like, the end of the spectrum.
people seem to forget that DID isn't multiple people inside one body, it is ONE person fractured into several distinct identities that are separated with amnesia and so therefore have their own experiences and feelings when fronting which causes them to feel like they are entirely different people. Everyone else has these identities too!! but you're still one whole person and those identities are a "part" of you or your "self", not fractured from your "self". the existence of those parts + dissociation doesn't mean you have DID!!
i suggest learning more about ifs if you want to know more about this topic. you'll notice that parts get sectioned into their roles, much like how alters do. its a normal human experience that psychology is only starting to get a grasp on since the past few decades.
I got diagnosed with DID at fairly young (17) compated to when people are usually diagnosed (30s). In an effort to learn about what the fuck was happening to me, I went onto tiktok and started hunting for people who also had my disorder. Unfortunatly I learned very quickly that 99% of people who claim to have DID on that stupid app are "self diagnosed" or outright faking. It made learning to accept myself (selves?) very challenging and I still sometimes have the intrusive thought that the psychologist was wrong, despite them being a DID specialist. I wish tiktok would be banned already.
This made me realize that I might not have OSDD. In all honesty, I related a lot to what they said. I'll look into it more and I really appreciate this video because I've been feeling like it's possible I have some other disorder causing identity disturbances. Have a good day! :)
It’s confusing because people with DID are already so prone to denial and self-doubt, so seeing people who don’t have it mimic it or emulate it stirs up so much internal conflict in people who do have it. Plus being fake claimed is so painful that most of us don’t want to fakeclaim someone else, even if we feel like something is off. For me-the people that seem to cosplay…each alter wears a different wig, extensive makeup, and seems almost like a character, not a person, that makes me feel untrusting of their diagnosis.
When the DSM talks about distinct personality states--they don’t mean exaggerated TV personas. Distinct in DID means they feel very much themselves, as one person, to the point where they might not even be aware that another part/alter also feels very much like one full person, and each of their preferences and goals, lifestyle choices and habits can clash with eachother to the point where they are deeply distressed and unable to get ahead in life or function consistently and support themselves or hold stable relationships.
That’s what distinct means. It doesnt mean so visually different that they each look like different video game characters. Sure, some people with overt DID can and do have different styles, but that’s not the premise or the face of the condition, it’s one symptom of many.
Most of the time I am so dissociated and fatigued that I pull on whatever clothes I have around me and comb my hair and that’s that. When you’re suffering from intense and compartmentalized trauma--most of your energy goes to just getting through the day. I have alters that have more joy or energy and don’t remember the trauma, but they don’t have executive control of our time and the body, just as much as I don’t. So it’s fleeting to the outsider who witnesses it.
And lastly, it’s extremely hard to show switches, to be clear and transparent and even forthcoming about different alters. A lot of people with DID have alters that have been abused into secrecy and have learned to fear the outside world. Most of us can’t control when they front or gain control of the body, so even when we’re happy and doing well-we don’t try to trigger a switch because we have no idea who could front and how it would effect us. It’s not something I could ever do on a whim or because I simply wanted too. Of course switches can be caught on camera and posted online and people do it and it can be educational--but the videos where people are changing personas to show off their different parts for fun leave me feeling very uncomfortable and suspicious.
It's interesting to see how the words you have in your life can effect your experience. When I was in high school, I experienced many of the things the Frost system was saying in these clips...things about lacking a sense of self identity and having seemingly dichotomous opinions about things. But the concept of 'multiple personalities' had barely been introduced to me, and only in the form of 'crazy killers' in movies like Psycho. What I had *lots* of experience with was imaginary friends. So when names and faces and style choices and entire backgrounds came swimming up out of the depths of my mind, that's what I classified them as...*really* well fleshed out imaginary friends. I called them 'self-perpetuating autonomous subconscious constructs', because I liked to sound like I'd swallowed a dictionary and I thought that these were simply characters that I had put *so* much life into that they could hold entire conversations with each other and other living people on their own, no conscious input from me needed. I'd observe something in the world and have seven different reactions all at once, and it was just 'my imaginary friends' reacting with me. I never had anything I would consider 'trauma', so I had no reason to think of what I was experiencing as 'symptoms', and I had a ready-made explanation for what these 'people' in my head were. If I had known modern descriptions of DID, I might have also wondered if that's what was going on, and how I handled the situation may have been very different. The study of the mind is still so new and incomplete, and we can't physically go in and measure how other people think and feel, so it's not surprising that mistakes like this can happen and misinformation get spread through people just trying to share their experiences. I can only hope for a world sometime in the future where we know enough to prevent accidental harm like this, while still supporting everyone who needs it.
I just want to say... I totally get his point about cat ears being both cool AND cringy at the same time lol . Truer words never spoken ,my dude. Both thoughts can DEFINITELY be true at once .
Pete Walker talks about ambivalence. Not many people know about it. It’s totally fine.
I have did and it is not fun. It's isolating and extremely exhausting. I don't have individual personalities just me at different ages.
I was diagnosed with it. But i feel like it was a mistake
@@saltyriz7734 sorry you feel like this. I can sympathize with you.
That’s exactly how I feel. Just different versions of myself.
Then you don't have DID. Alters are separate personalities to protect the mind, there's no purpose in you having alters of yourself at different ages. You might be dissociated and mentally regressing along with other mental health issues but not a system.
@@ROYALRAT123 I have been diagnosed with it. I don't dress up in different clothes and I mostly don't remember what I have done. I can communicate with one of them. All seems to be from different traumatic experiences at different ages. Like they're stuck at that age. I think I will stick with the medical professionals diagnosis
Even though I have been formally diagnosed, videos like this is why I give SOME grace to those who don’t believe in DID.
Case in point, my bf is incredulous of the disorder( we are in a long distance relationship), but he knows something is “off”. My job is not to convince him believe me, but to inform him so he can make a choice. My responsibility is to continue treatment and contribute anyway I can to society.
@@astraetluna True true! At the minimum when people ask me what it feels like, I tell them it feels "weird".
that one creator was very vulnerable sharing that but im glad they did. its a very complex issue..
Favorite candy is those little strawberry filled hard candies with the strawberry wrappers.
The ones you find at the bank, lol.
Ik it’s not the same but I was diagnosed at 9 with adhd and autism and if somebody owned up to being mislead or faking it I would of felt abit more comfortable because atleast they admitted there wrong?
*This* is why self diagnosis is not valid. I don’t care how much you “researched“ one condition, a doctor has done extensive research on multiple conditions that have overlapping symptoms. We’ve done tests on this and if you give someone a list of psychiatric symptoms and tell them that they might have something, they will check every single box and accept it. It’s just a bias we have in our brains. So someone who might have ADHD or might have a dissociativedisorder the symptoms of autism and say “Yep, that sounds like me “, but a doctor would be able to pick out the nuances of what makes one disorder different from the other.
It’s painful and frustrating to watch our patients harm themselves this way - many of these people have providers and just won’t hear of other possibilities. It extends beyond psychological symptoms; I lost a patient to brain cancer that she so strongly believed to be cluster headaches that I could not get her in an MRI until it was too late. Just flat refused. That was her choice, I know that, but she left behind very hurt and confused children.
And that’s another thing… clinicians aren’t against self dx because it cuts into our pay. I’m so sick of hearing that! We grieve when we lose a patient who did not need to die. We want the best for our patients or we wouldn’t be in this field anymore, that’s for damn sure.
Except doctors are not infallible and often misdiagnose themselves especially in regards to mental health disorders due to their own biases. This video literally is a self diagnoses that was spurred on from a mental health professional… yes they were a therapist not a psychologist but most people aren’t aware of that difference. Most people think that if your medical professional thats enough credibility.
You dont know the people who self diagnose or why they do that. And unless you willing to pay for them to get one from doctor that you are almost entirely sure will diagnose accurately and without bias, you should not stress yourself about it…
wow diagnosis master
Yeah that seems legit until you remember not everyone can afford doctors, doctors with prejudice, lack of doctors around, and the simple fact that even if you think you are for example autistic, but you aren't, sometimes the methods to cope still work. Self diagnosis does not take resources from those with a diagnosis, and while some who self diagnosis wwri fly might dramatize it, or otherwise stigmatize it, people who believe that's how all with that diagnosis often don't actually care, and held those beliefs regardless.
also the only reason you would need a diagnosis is get a right to acommodations, disability benefits etc and for the professional to know how to treat you best. nothing that self diagnosis can give you, so why would someone need to self diagnose when it does nothing what a real diagnosis does
I'm just glad they came forward and admitted what they did. It's also great to see them join the fight against misinformation. It would have been better if they didn't do that, but they were young and have at least learned their lesson.
I'm glad he came forward but something you should know. A therapist can't diagnose did. If they suspect you have that type of disorder they have to refer you to a psychologist who can make that kind of diagnosis.
Actually in the US some therapist CAN diagnose disorders. My psyc diagnosed my PTSD and sent to a specific therapist to work with. It was that therapist who DXd my BPD
@Droxzy1angel Really!. I didn't know that. My therapist referred me to a psychologist for an official diagnosis. But I still work with my therapist too.
@loriewendel7918 Same for me as had to be referred to many specialist and have many many assessments to rule out all other aspects.
To be honest, their case sounds like legitimate DID. Compartmentalization and separateness in the perception of one’s own experience and psyche because of the inability to accept/integrate experiences and aspects of yourself as being actually yours. Hence why those aspects are perceived as coming from someone else.
I would honestly describe their epiphany as a widespread integration.
I super want to see the documentary now. Does anyone know where/what it is?
Oh Jesus. Nevermind. I found the Paige and they have done documentaries with the AC system and a few other really high profile… I’m not gonna say fakers but we’ll say self diagnosed young adults.
We were honestly devastated by this specific case (the frost “system”). We’ve been following them for ages because we have a very similar presentation to their DID, we are now scared we’re faking even though we’re in a treatment plan for the disorder. We’re honestly disappointed in winter for believing a therapists opinion is enough. I’ve heard in some states that therapists can diagnose but not in England and that’s for a reason, people need to realise. A therapist is not enough. A psychologist AT LEAST should be who you speak to in terms of proper diagnosis.
Please don't be too frightened by it! While presentation might have been similar you are in no exact same situation that be the reason of WHY it did represent that way. Much love and sending answers your way.
@@grifrobinson9874 is it in all states? I’m sorry I’m new to American health”care”, I’m British and therapists would be immediately fired if they attempted to diagnose over here…
@@TheCollectveOfAnythingGoes The system over here is completely different to the one there. Therapists are absolutely experts. Psychiatrists, which is the only other alternative you might have in mind, spend most of their years in med school learning about biological factors to enable them to better prescribe meds, not necessarily evaluate. Actually, a psychologist (which is what a therapist actually is here) is much better qualified than a psychiatrist to make an evaluation, in almost every circumstance, because psychologists will certainly get to know their patients better in more depth. The ideal situation here in the states is to have both a psychiatrist and a psychologist, but if you could choose only one to make an accurate diagnosis - the psychologist is going to make the better one, basically every time. Many psychiatrists prefer to diagnose based off the opinion of the psychologist/therapist, it makes their job much easier. But does the psychiatrists' diagnose carry more weight than a therapist? No. Insurance treats them the same.
I’m questioning OSDD-1b but from this video I’m now even more unsure if I do have it or not. I’m waiting for the appointment with the psychologist so don’t come at me for saying I need to see someone because I am simply just waiting and wanting to gather more information. A random person appeared in my head with no name and really wanted a name however I have already established my identity. Now my confusion is that if she’s real or not is making her question herself. How do I tell whether it’s OSDD-1b or just experiencing confusion like they did
I get what he’s saying. I have bpd and did. It took me a while to realize some aspects of myself weren’t alters, but different states of my mind. It can get confusing.
So I have adhd (combined but inattentive leaning), bipolar disorder, anxiety, depression and CPTSD from being SAed as a child. I found the furry fandom around the same time the my trauma began. It's given me an outlet and an ability to grow. I clearly have identity issues because of the trauma and bipolar but as a child I didn't always like my name. Like it wasn't I want a different name, just didn't always fit. I still don't understand myself that much but I do disassociate but I've always "daydreamed" 😅
how can you have depression and bipolar when depression is part of bipolar ? or were you firsy diagnosed with only depression and later on with bipolar ?
I think we’ll see a lot of people admitting to faking or admitting they were misdiagnosed just like we see a lot of detransitioners now.
Yes, I think there is about a 1% of trans people who detransition.
@@theantiskiasystem2260 source?
There is no way we can have any sort of accurate statistics on detransitioners because it's not really reported on because the ones who do speak out are treated horribly by the community. So many of them go through all of this alone.
There aren’t a lot of detransitioners
@@alisharhcthat is not true, people who detransition often still identify as lgbt and are welcome in the community
I’m a therapist and I’m absolutely qualified to diagnose in my state. That is inaccurate to many areas.
Sorry, but I won't believe anyone on tiktok who says they have DID.
same, especially if they call themselves "we" and have the word "system" in their username, no matter the platform
Therapists can and do diagnose, especially psychologists.
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Glad they admit it. IFS is not like DID by the way.
Did he say that? IFS is a therapy system, parts work.
Read “No Bad Parts” it talks about how it’s not DID
This person is so incredibly talented at FX makeup and they used it to fake a very devastating and disruptive disorder for clout. They could have easily had a successful career in the movie industry. If I was making a movie I would have hired them in a heartbeat to do the FX makeup. I enjoy their skill level. First video I saw them about DID I knew they were faking. I would feel some sympathy if they had not carried on as long as they did, generated income, and went onto shows. Because of public figures faking DID for clout the general public does not believe a the story of someone who actually HAS and LIVES WITH DID because it doesn't match the dramatized DID they saw on social media/ television. To protray DID as cosplay or roleplaying is an insult to those who have it. Yes, alters can have different hairstyles, clothing, makeup, etc. As Dr. Robinson said in the McLean video DID is a disorder of HIDDENNESS. The point is to not know when an alter has presenting because they are protecting the core person. Admittedly, as someone with DID whenever I hear someone say they have DID I am automatically suspicious because of this fake disorder trend.
But they weren’t conscious and aware that they didn’t have it. This person genially believed that they had the disorder, which is VERY different from some 12 year old wanting to be different and thus deciding consciously to fake a disorder. This person didn’t fake DID for clout, they simply and genuinely thought that they had it. Discovering that about yourself takes a lot of work and effort, and realizing that your way of life has been wrong for however long you’ve been doing this is probably incredibly difficult. This comment seems to be villainising them, which I don’t think is warranted on this situation.
@_pan-tastic_28 i think the presentation of DID they portrayed is what makes me think part of it was for clout. The therapist did this person a disservice by giving them a false diagnosis. I sympathize with that aspect of their confession because a false diagnosis can be very devastating. I was told by a few mental health professionals i had bipolar. I believed it for years. I'm not trying to villainize them but their actions can and will directly impact those who genuinely have DID. People with genuine DID will share their story and get told "you don't have it, you're faking because I saw it on Tik Tok and it's not how you say it is". It's happened to me and I've read stories where it's happened to others.
@@imitationsofmyselfI agree with what you’re saying, especially when it comes to mental health specialists falsely informing and falsely diagnosing someone. But what part of their presentation of DID in particular made you feel like it was for clout? I’m not really understanding that part of your comment.
@_pan-tastic_28 any time someone that doesn't have a disorder, even if they think they have profits off that disorder or makes it their entire social media image I consider clout. This person did like the attention they were getting. Their videos got more and more elaborate. The more alters the more money made. Happened in the case of Billy Milligan who I believe genuinely had DID and 10 alters. I assume they made money. Most people with genuine DID do not profit off the disorder much less make it our entire identity. They don't make a big show of it because their is a lot of shame and stigma with the disorder. So I don't have much sympathy for people who become social media stars perpetuating an inaccurate presentation of a disorder they don't even have them say sorry and expect to be forgiven. Like with Leticia Stauch case. Her sorry isn't going to erase the fact she perpetuated the false image that people with DID kill people. A simple sorry won't undo damage and stigma to people that genuinely have the disorder being faked. The people on social media that make DID this big show make it harder for people who actually have it to tell their story because their case is nothing like the movies or social media..
they did not even get a false diagnosis, therapist saying or agreeing what you say is not diagnosis. therapist are not there to disagree with you and invalidate your experiences, but diagnosis if different than someone saying yes you might have it or i think you have it. many professionals have said to me they think i have something without making a diagnosis of it at that point. same with mental health professionals who are not even allowed to make diagnoses.
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Not gonna lie, I am quite shocked to learn that they dont have D.I.D, especially when I shared their video about them having it, with my best friend to help her understand someone like myelf. I've suffered from D.I.D for over 31 years, and seeing representation made us not feel alone, but on top of fakeclaimers, and people acutally faking D.I.D, it's becoming hard just living as a system.
I believe him. His body language is totally honest.
Lemme just say I'm proud of the people owning up to the faking stuff. They are hella strong for that; and I'm proud of them because it takes a lot of guts to be like y'all I did this. A lot of people will be ripped to shreds for it. But I honestly think it's a really nice thing to do; to be honest and sorry to those they truly care about within that community. So to those owning up you're doing amazing; and for those that are still in the middle of it all; it's gonna be okay and you're gonna be where you need to be. Forgive yourself and others and move forward. And remember to take care of yourself and listen to what you truly need :°} it's okay and I'm here to say you're allowed to exist even if you have mental illness or not. You're allowed to breathe and be yourself. And love yourself. Heck not just allowed you are free to be you. Don't let no one tell you you can't be yourself. I just want you to know there is hope for us all. And seeing this video gives me hope for those that struggle with faking; faking is an illness itself with actual other underlying issues beneath it they may not know about as well as us. Thank you for your awesome videos these make me happy. Because I know people will hear each other and care about each other enough to hear everyone. So this always helps for all of us. May good energies and comfort as well as peace be sent all ways and through and through to you all.
Loved the video
Keep up the good work
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From my understanding DID is divisive in the psychology community with most believing that it isn’t real, so DID is usually treated with a lot of caution with psychologists. Of course that’s not to say that there aren’t other issues going on and I can see how pretending to be someone else can be a coping mechanism.
I feel really bad this person got gaslighted into thinking he was a fake.
I disagree that people who don’t have a specific disorder they are not capable to have comprehensive knowledge on it. Otherwise therapist could only treat people with the same mental illnesses as them.
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It’s more likely they made people dislike them by faking authority on the subject instead of being honest and saying idk what this is but I’m going to figure it out and it might be DID but it could be another dissociative disorder so let’s do this together. That would’ve been honest.
So before I watch this video, you could kinda consider me a "faker" except I had a therapist, psychologist and psychiatrist when I was just 12. At 12 I was diagnosed with OCD, which is completely real, unmedicated, it's terrible. Then at 13, I was misdiagnosed with Complex PTSD. Which is now changed from my new therapist to just PTSD. Also at 13, I was let me rephrase, my psychologist and psychiatrist, thought they had "diagnosed" me with MPD(what is now called DID) and started to be medicated for both. When I started medication, the "medicine" for DID was an antipsychotic, Ropinirole. This gave me hallucinations and delusions making me actually think I had different "people" inside of me.
Even off of the medication, I was still experiencing these delusions and hallucinations for 2 years. My therapist now told me I had been a victim of "prescription pushing" from my psychologist (he was arrested because he did it to multiple people). This was when I turned 16. For years afterwards I tried and struggled to find who my true self was, I had been lied to for 3-4 years of my life as a preteen into a teenager. Finally at the age of 21, I got an answer. I have OCD, passed from my mom, and PTSD from my childhood trauma, SA. From this I still have a hard time believing the PTSD until I actually get triggered from a smell or an object, place, or a TV show.
I'm now almost 24 years old and have had the same therapist since I was 21. She is amazing at what she does. I have fully recovered from the hallucinations and delusions, but still sometimes hear my name being called when no one says it. When this happens, I immediately contact her to let her know it may be returning. She keeps a log about how frequently it happens, which is only about once every 4-6 months. Which is a thing called auditory pareidolia. It's where background noise affects your hearing perceptions. Overall I do feel a lot better not being medicated and using the techniques that work well for me to get through triggering moments
when i told my trauma therapist that i have been diagnosed with unspecified psychotic disorder and i hallucinate, he said that with mever recearch they have found that many people with ptsd siffer from hallucinations, that is most likely the reason for those not the medication, cause that medication is actually used to treat hallucinations and delusions. in my case my hallucinations are not related to my trauma so i said it is not because of that, also schizophrenia and psychosis comes from both sides of my family. my brother is schizophrenic and my mother has schizoaffective (aka symptoms of bipolar & schizophrenia) i also have bipolar like my mother. all those mentioned except ptsd are genetic. but in many cases ptsd does cause hallucinations, but not the same kind of that people with psychotic disorders have and not for the same reason. i certainöy dont believe the medication caused those, cause like i said it literally is used to treat it, and if it was because of the medication it would have stopped when you stopped the medication, or a while after. still the doctor was in the wrong cause i have never heard of neuroleptics used for trauma related illnesses, they are used in small doses for insomnia and in much higher doses for bipolar and psychotic disorders. my therapist also told that they might cause dissociation to lessen, cause you need high IQ and good imagination to be able dissociate and the way those meds work is literally making you dumber and slowing your brain. i've experienced this effect from my bipolar/psychosis meds but thay does not mean they are or should be used for dissociation from for example ptsd or even did
and ao you dont get confused neuroleptics are the same thing as antipsychotic meds. i'be been on maybe 20 different of those and with none of them were hallucinations mentioned as potential side-effects
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Therapists, depending on degree and licensure, can and do diagnose mental disorders:)
People need to have room to be able to change and grow. I hate the many fakers, but wouldn't say a word if they all stopped faking lol.
Now i even more confuse, 'cause today i watched interview with system (they were professional diagnosed) and they were talking about their experience as they are one person. Like they are different fragments of one personality. And it make me confuse, cause that first time i heard it from this perspective and it's close to my experience. And I never consider myself a system. And I had a partner who is system, and their experience was not like mine. So is it possible for system think of themselves as one personality with many voices inside? Or it's misdiagnosis? Or it's actually a variation on D.I.D. spectrum?
Quite frankly, what this person went through and what those professionally diagnosed people you watched are going through is probably a more genuine reflection of what DID is actually supposed to be. There’s a lot of people out there who due to trauma, media, identity crisis, and attention really glamorize DID and mentally they enjoy making different characters and basically alter egos because I guess it helps compartmentalize? And makes it feel more fun instead of distressing? It’s sorta like using role play to compartmentalize and cope with trauma in a way that I think can make them feel less ashamed. This is a very new form of DID expression though, and has a very clear link to social media. That isn’t to say it isn’t valid, but basically I think these people with DID who are expressing themselves like this are basically using a form of role play to cope with their trauma, and in their head, separating parts of themselves into distinct identities helps them more clearly understand all the different aspects and complexities of themself. It’s sorta like breaking themselves into multiple 2D frames, instead of looking at the fully 3 dimensional person that they are.
For example, I have what I guess could medically be considered a form of DID, but it’s quite different from the presentation of these popular DID tiktokers. As a kid I had multiple imaginary friends that showed up as a response to trauma. The main one, who I have to this day, basically is my self love and my protecter. He’d be beside me to help me through hard things, he’d be there to comfort me and show me love when I couldn’t love myself, he’d help me get up and practice self care when I didn’t have the strength to do it alone, and occasionally when I had to go through something extremely stressful and overwhelming that I couldn’t handle myself, I’d ask him to take over and do it for me, and he would.
If I was a teenager in this day and age and on TikTok, I’d almost certainly think I have DID, and there’s a good chance that I’d lean into breaking down the parts of myself even further instead of healing and bringing those pieces together. Even as an adult, I used to sometimes do this mental game (this may sound silly and cringy but I don’t care and I’m autistic so whatever lmao) were I break myself into multiple parts (the ((and this is all in quotes cause it’s embarrassing to think of any part of myself like this but ya know what? Sometimes self love is being cringy and egotistical)) calm collected smart side, the cool edgy self, the mischievous witch, the obvious kid self, etc) and I’ll have a mental conversation between these sides just as a way to help myself process information and make decisions. Cause it can help me mentally break things down and basically have a conversation with myself and see what parts of me think what about an idea. It actually can be incredibly helpful and a useful tool.
If I was younger though and saw videos about DID on TikTok, I would most likely have ended up splitting those mental characters of parts of myself (or the ideal version of parts of myself) into alters. This wouldn’t have been helpful though. I would have just further fragmented myself into multiple alter egos composed of different versions of myself as the most extreme and ideal fantasy alter ego of those characteristics. I wouldn’t just be fragmenting my identity, but I’d be creating fantasy versions of those pieces of identity. And while it’s okay and can be useful for me to do that occasionally in a daydream while contemplating a decision, doing that long term can cause more harm than good.
As I’ve gotten older and healed, I talk to my imaginary friend less. He still shows up when I need him, but as I grow older, we’ve merged more into the same person. I used to need him to help me because I was missing things in my life due to trauma, loneliness, and a lack of self love, and I needed an “external” being to give me those things, but now I’m mostly able to find that fulfillment within. I don’t need him as much because I am him, we just got separated because of the trauma I went through as a kid.
Of course, this is just an example of a positive and loving fragmented piece of self. I did use to have darker parts of myself that come out sometimes, but they were never imaginary friends because my imaginary friends were only every things I needed (like an imaginary friend who was a mother figure). As a kid though, I did have episodes that my mom would describe as me “being possessed by a demon and becoming evil”. Then as a teen, I was incredibly edgy and for a time thought I was a fallen angel lmao... However, I’d chalk this all up to 1. Autistic child meltdowns and 2. Being an emo hormonal teen. All pretty normal stuff in the scheme of things. You better believe tho that if I learned about DID as a teen I’d have a badass demon alter. Back then though we’d just role play lmao.
Basically, it’s completely normal and actually the more “traditional” form of DID to not have alters in the way that many younger people in these online circles have. That isn’t to say that they’re lying, but simply that due to this being an identity and dissociation related disorder, symptoms and presentation can be heavily influenced by external influences, particularly social support groups.
It’s possible the person in this video actually did (and does) have DID, but once they worked more on healing themselves they no longer felt like they deserved to say they do, simply because they no longer fit the flashy exciting TikTok version of DID, instead of the genuine raw understanding of knowing that trauma has fragmented your self of self, and instead of being a lot of interesting characters, you’re just one, broken individual, who needs to become whole again
We need to talk about dissociative disorders more because there are two other disorders grouped with DID. He is listing symptoms of dissociation and sounds like he probably does in fact struggle with a disaciative disorder and its probably why him and his therapist were confused and thought it was DID. There is Depersonalization/derealization disorder and dissociative amnesia disorder as well as DID. If your struggling with dissociation I recommend looking into all 3 disorders and mention all 3 when talking to a professional. I have 20+ year of therapy treatment and i cannot honestly tell you which of the 3 i have because they present similar some symptoms are the same, and they can feel the similar because of the dissociation thats involved in all 3 disorders. I suport self diagnosis, I believe it helps people get accommodated and diagnosed, however, a dissociative disorder should not be self diagnosised, you should definitely consult professional with these disorders. Especially DID i believe it involves both psychosis and neurosis. DID stems from repeated childhood truama which can be dangerous to handle on your own. They all are also very covert disorders and the only conclusions I can come to after years of researching all 3 disorders is that I have dissociation. Please self diagnosis responsibility, and know when to be concerned when researching and please consult your doctor if its something as serious as DID. There are not a lot of accommodation for dissociation without professional help anyways other than accepting you dissociate.
Edit: Im not trying to diagnose anyone or this man, I wanted an excuse to talk about the other 2 major dissociative disorder, because misdiagnoses does hapen and its important to talk about. Im not a medical professional just well informed patient based on my experience as a disabled person with in the medical feild.
also dissociation is symptom of ptsd and cptsd too
but i dont see the benefit of self disagnosis, the reason someone need real diagnosis is for the right to have accomodations, disability benefits etc and in my country right for cheaper medication for some disorders, right for sick retirement depending on the severity of your situation. and for the professionals to know how to treat you best. none of those things do you get with selfdiagnosis, and on the other hand i think it causes harm, wrong kind of treatment, the person to be not open for any other diagnosis cause they already have decided they have something specific, even when they dont actually have it. before people used to seek help when they struggled severly enough and with that soonee or later they got diagnosis aka the reason/explanationnfor their symptoms. now people who face normal things that everyone deals with, they search for explanations and names for it, or see something on the internet and feel like it sound just like what they experience, while not undesyanding that everyone has symtoms of almost every mental illness, what differenciates it from being normal human experience vs disorder is that do those symtoms have severe negative affect to you or people around you in multiple ways, like in work/school, everyday life, your ability and capacity to do normal things, relationships etc if it does not, it is compelely normal and there is no need to diagnose you with anything. in simpler way: if you dont need help you are not sick and there is no need for diagnosis, and most likely you would not even get one. another reason why would someone need to selfdiagnose if they dont even have the ability for no matter what reason to get any kind of treatment.
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Imo no one should take anything as fact. I support whatever people want to be. But, I always keep in the back of my mind to be skeptical as the incorrect approach can hurt those who may actually have it. Otherwise, I love your content. ❤ great videos and throughout analysis great work. 👍 ALMOND JOY OR SNICKERS
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DID= Attetion seeker
No, it's an actual neurological disorder. Now, people may or may not have it publicly on the internet. People with mental illness, neurological, and people who are neurodivergent exist. Do your research before making that assumption.
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Not all the time, it’s an actual disorder
omg the first time I see a male faker
This dude is really embarrassing hahahaah