@@TerryBradstreet even if you couldn't get a thousand in one place, wouldn't you just need to send wave after wave of guardsmen until the space marine is sufficiently wounded and exhausted? the quote still stands and i think we can say that space marines can't afford to tank every lasgun shot, no matter how strong they think they are yes, space marines are super soldiers, but i think sufficiently prepared and experienced guardsmen could definitely take on a space marine with just a few lasguns power of friendship and all they'd just need cover, a plan, and a few sacrifices
@@mic2348inefficient, just give the guard some special weapons and train the whole regiment in them, so you can swap them around and suddenly the threat becomes much higher
The irony of that is both in tabletop and the series lore there's a lot of examples of chaos space marines getting their asses very thoroughly kicked by imperial guardsmen.
@@peskifrenchi8832 Most of them where chaos space marines appear. Though the Ciaphis Cain and Tanith first and only series provide plenty of good examples, right at the start. The horus Heresy is absolutely lousy with scenes where space marines get killed by guardsmen as well.
@@peskifrenchi8832my favorite is in Dark Imperium when a guardsman named Bolus charges a Plague Marine in the back. By the time the Legionaire had the time to turn around Bolus’ lasgun was already in the Plague Marine’ neck joint and Bolus started unloading. The Marine then fell over Bolus…
@@letendreelliott8778 or guardsman Hawk in storm of iron. He killed a few space marines with his heavy stubber and when they missed him amongst the corpse he survived and direct imperial artillery on the iron warriors from his hiding position.
Space Marine: I am an angel of death, a grandson of the emperor himself, and a Divine work of art! My armor, training, and munitions are the pinnacle of what the imperium has to offer. We alone are his bastion against the teeming and innumerable enemies of the galaxy Guardsman: According to my calculations, my home planet produces enough soldiers and munitions every hour to siege and destroy your entire chapter 10 times over. But yeah, you and your fancy armor alone.
Guardsmen may not have their armour, their implants, their training, conditioning, or centuries of experience. But They do hold the line, without any of it.
It's nice to see a guards men or really anyone in the imperial war machine be like the empirors a dumbass and has survived because of old humanity's vast reach and overwhelming tech (everything left in the galaxy survived the first crusade past the sol system)
@@tazrgoober6893they weren’t the weak link in the emperors plan though lol the “little people” were who his entire plan was centered around it’s why people argue to this day that he would have had the space marines all killed when’s the crusades were over
“Aim for the Helmet and the Joints in their armor, it’s the weakest point and the best chance you have to wounding them.” -Caiphas Cain (Hero of the Imperium) on how to fight against Power Armor.
It's telling that shortly after the Heresy and the reorganization of the Imperium's military it triggered we saw the introduction of the Militarum Tempestus. Tempestus stormtroopers are guardsmen with weaponry specifically designed to kill Space Marines because the Imperium realized that if half the Space Marines could turn traitor it was just as possible the other half would later on and they needed to be able to fight back.
More than that, now that humanity no longer has the Emperor there's a fair chance that the Astartes would succeed him as the Imperium's de-facto rulers (Guilliman is already working on it), which would be incredibly bad for humanity unless the ruling chapter was like the Salamanders or something. Humanity needs to have the ability to fight and kill Space Marines for their own protection regardless of whether they turn traitor or not.
@@Fraggr92hell is canon that some space marine chapters train their own serfs on how to fight and use weapons specifically made to kill astartes, let that sink in.
@@Kareszkoma The Sisters of Battle already don't, seeing the Astartes as abhuman/mutants. The only reason they haven't campaigned against the Marines wholesale is dogmatic: they were the Emperor's creations.
Well that's not really a post heresy thing since the Tempestus Scions are more or less armed like the Solar Auxilia of old that served during the Great Crusade and Heresy. Carapace armor, an armor piercing version of a Lasgun capable of penetrating power armor, and Power Swords as an extra treat. These are all things they both used. They're pretty much just the same thing with a different purpose. The Solar Auxilia played the role of elite self contained combined arms units trained and armed to the utmost. Meanwhile the Scions are basically the Guard's Spec Ops branch. Ranging in responsibilities from infiltration, assassination, recon, sharpshooters, down to Elite Shock Infantry. As far as we can tell there were also just a lot more Solar Auxilia than Tempestus Scions.
If your lazguns cant penetrate battle plate Aim for the visors, if theyre so keen on calling it a fucking flashlight, we'll see how they like getting blasted in the eyes by 50 of them
Should be noted that some units of the Solar Auxilia were issued with some pretty crazy lasguns that could be charged up and fire with the power of a lascannon. So yeah, some units did get stuff that can deal with Astartes quite efficiently.
The kalibrax rifle? Or however it spell also i am pretty sure there a story (not if canon) about a group of guard who kept their lasgun at overcharged at all time and managed to kill a group of marine
Honestly for all their crazy genetic enhancements, the real advantage of Space Marines over the Guard is their power armor. It doesn't matter how fast and tough you are when there's a million shots flying towards you and they can all kill you
Gaurd hold the line, they stand against the monsters of the universe. They are human, a spacemarine is made for war, the guardsmen is a human. I ask you, who do you think is braver? The demi God of War or the common man who stands against something he was never meant to fight and fights regardless.
They have three A Space marine legion has hundreds of Bolters, heavy bolters, Bolt rifles to chose from while the Guardsman have like, 3 for each company Even so they still hold, put respect on guardsmen, without them the imperium would be dead within a week
@@taliawtf6944 didn’t legions actually use baneblades during the heresy? I’m pretty sure it was the only “normal” vehicle that was capable of accommodating their bulk.
Guard in lore: We're no match for the astartes! Emperor help us..... Guard on tabletop: *casually kills a few dozen dozen guys who cost the imperium more than their entire regiment with a bunch of artillery and tanks*
Funny story: I saw an Imperial Guard player table a Custodes player. The Leman Russ tanks did most of the killing. The last remaining Custodes was down to 1 wound left and died because a bunch of Guardsmen charged in and beat him to death.
@@thuranz2773 Continuous strikes will also take their toll. The lasers ablate a bit of the armor, then the next strike to that spot ablates a bit more, and a bit more, and... Given enough fire concentration, the armor will eventually fail.
I love that in the modern imperium it’s reversed, the Guard are the backbone, if every single space marine disappeared the imperium would lose a million heroes in an instant, if every guardsman disappeared the imperium would lose, period
Without the mechanicum imperium would last 5 years due to stockpiles. Without astartes they would last a year. Without the gueard they would be lucky to last a month
"Congratulations men. You have been promoted from line infantry, to logistics! You will no longer fire your lasguns at the enemy, but instead spend all your remaining time supplying, and loading that gun. For if it's fire dies, so will you!"
And when all else fails, A meltabomb and talking fast enough to make them believe you'll be a good prisoner while you arm it. Just like Trooper Simpkin of the Cadian XXth
I was just reading the fourth book in the Soul Drinkers series. A general of the guard is ordered to attack a Space Marine Chapter Master. The General draws his sword and says "Make it quick."
The issue is getting 100 terrified guardsman to focus all their lasguns on a single charging space marine at a time, while 10 more charge you unimpeded. Against a small squad of say 4 or 5 Astartes, 100 calm and focused guardsman could easily take them all down given enough distance and coordination. They'd melt an average space marine's ceramite like butter with that much focused las fire. Good luck giving the right guardsman the right circumstances to make it happen though.
@@Jaimyoutubing true but there's so many instances of counteraction with multiple times in books space marines saying that one guardsmen isnt a threat but they wouldn't dream of assaulting a fortified line of guardsmen without support and then at the same time guardsmen saying all they have is flashlights but canonically the power of a las gun is enough to puncture a space marines armor in close range with one or two shots and that for even heavily armored orks that a single las gun blast is enough to separate a limb
40k writing is inconsistent, especially when marines are involved. Sometimes 20 shots on a weak spot will down a traitor marine, other times they can walk through lasgun fire like it’s rain. Cost of having a setting with so many writers unfortunately
@@Jaimyoutubing Not quite. All armor has weak points, and powered armor is no exception. For example, in a lot of marks of powered armor, the throat is completely uncovered. That's a kill shot even on a primaris. Most joints like the knees, shoulders, wrists, elbows, ankles *have* to have some degree of lighter more flexible armoring to let them work. If they don't you completely immobilize your space marine. Another thing that gets pretty regularly ignored by space marines fans is that imperial guardsmen rarely if ever have *only* lasguns. Grenade launchers easily able to penetrate astartes powered armor both as a dedicated launcher, and combi weapon attachments to said lasgun are very common in the regiments of the imperial guard, and a lot of imperial guardsmen are issued with things like sniper rifles of both lasweapon and non lasweapon varieties that will easily go through astartes armor, flamers are present in the imperial guard armory and can essentially bypass even some vehicle level armor entirely. It's quite common for officers and non commissioned officers in the imperial guard to have bolt pistols or sometimes the same bolters as those space marines, plasma guns or pistols, as well as melta guns of both pistol and full size varieties. Likewise, chain and power weapons as melee sidearms are fairly common, both of which can cut through Space marine armor. Also, virtually all imperial guard regiments have organic artillery and support weapons. Ranging from the heavy stubber (An M2 machinegun in everything but name that can be quite effective against infantry and some light vehicles) to heavy and storm bolters (the storm bolter essentially being two heavy bolters set up to take a belt feed of heavier then normal armor piercing bolter shells) autocannons (the longest ranged direct fire, rapid fire capable weapon in the base game that can very efficiently kill space marines) to lascannons, missile squads, or mortar teams. The funniest bit is that in the Warhammer 40k setting shotguns are far more effective against armor then in real life, and frequently issued to some imperial guard regiments specializing in close combat, as well as being an extremely common weapon for imperial navy ratings to help fight against boarding actions. There's actually canonical examples of shotguns taking out grey knights and custodes in the lore, who usually have better armor then most stock space marines.
I don't think regular marines are as durable as some people (and some writers) might make it be. Most remarks of space marines are about them work in squads and with astra militarum support. Sure they are more durable, but they are far from being able to just run towards a bunch of fairly armed soldiers without consequences... unless they are a named character of course, plot armor is too thick.
Well, that's the thing: a Lasgun is useless against a full Legion of Astartes, but a thousand Lasguns firing at just one will still burn through the armor fast enough that even Astartes won't last. "Any Legionary who scoffs at the Lasgun has not had to charge across an open field against 100."
I feel bad that the guardsman's lack of faith came from him thinking the Emperor actually preferred the transhuman Space Marines over regular humans. Its not true at all. Space Marines have never been anything but a tool to the Emperor. A necessary measure to quell a galaxy in literal and figurative Chaos. Only their Primarchs meant anything to him, and even that wasn't intended (they were supposed to be tools too, but he ended up coming to love some of them genuinely). The Emperor's plan was always for the true humans to take the reigns of the Imperium after the Great Crusade was complete and the Webway project was finished. He wanted humanity to govern itself, while he could fade into the background, just working on projects to improve humanity. It all just sadly went to shit for a million different reasons.
true, but the average human knew none of this. Hell even his own sons didn't know his true plans. Everything played second fiddle to the great crusade and the space marine legions. The highest you could get in the civilian government was to rule a planet or somewhere in the Administratum. either way you were just playing logistics for the imperial warmachine, which at the time the Legions were the poster boys. and it did not matter how good you were at fighting or how high your rank. In the military You were eternally playing second fiddle to the space marines. With even the lowest rank marine potentially outranking you no matter your position. You were either a second rate backup force or on cleanup duty for when the legions passed. the space marines got all the love and attention, and the Primarchs only answered to daddy and Malcador. While some base line humans were important story wise. In the grand scheme of things i can think of no human who was ever 'important'. So, is it any wonder Guardsmen feel this way?
@@geraldholt2755hey! It wasn't my boy Magnus' fault. He did his best! And he'd have still been loyal if it hadn't been for Tzeentch's shard shattering bullshit, or the curse on the Thousand Suns. Hell, get him his noble shard back and help Ahriman cure the remaining Thousand Suns and they'd all rejoin the Imperium immediately.
I remember that there is the Triplex-Phall pattern Lasgun that has several settings on power. The highest setting can penetrate even space marine power armor. They used those in the first Gaunt's Ghost novel so when Chaos Space Marines appeared they were relatively easily killed.
Astartes essentially fill the roll of light armor. They're fast, hit hard, and are nearly impervious to small arms. Which is why weapons like antimaterial rifles and rocket launchers exist. Light enough to be man portable but able to scare off or kill an APC or IFV. Or in this case heavy bolters.
Mericus: _"A lasgun isn't going to scratch Legionary battleplate"_ Me, using a Las Fusil to pop Rubric Marines: _"Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, buddy"_
Even without the bolters they weren't as screwed as they thought, sure one lasgun ain't gonna pierce Astartes ceramite, but stack enough of them and it absolutely will get through! "The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."
Guardsman commander: Oh no! Im going to be killed by that terminator when he finally climbs those stairs! Terminator: ... The armor is just heavy, I'm not fat.
@@TheReal_Antrey Well the Tau won the war and conquered the planet, with a large uprising of Human populace aiding them, killing the Raven Guard chapter master in the process. So overall it went pretty well.
Ceramite absorbs an absurd amount of heat, enough that technically, any space marine could drop from orbit and as long as they had a jump pack or some other means of deaccelerating, they could make it to the ground. This has been done in the lore. Its not a coincidence, as acknowledged in the lore excerpt in this short, that the Space Marines armor happens to be best suited to tanking the most ubiquitous form of weapon in the galaxy: heat based weapons (lasers, plasma etc). Ceramite is literally designed to tank those sort of weapons all day, any day.
@@Vaprous yes but guardsmen from the astra militarum are not just the run of the mill soldiers they are better than the planetary defense force so not only are they firing for center of mass but for the weak points of armor. Not to mention that lasguns can be modified to fire stronger beams of laser for example a lascannon While a space marine can tank a laser beam to the false from a lasgun what about multiple laser beams from multiple directions all hitting either the same target over and over again one one part that weakens the armor or if the guardsman just switches a setting his rifle so he has less ammo but each beam pack more power.
@@Vaprous Literally the only heat based weapons they don't struggle with are Lasguns. And that's in small numbers. Plasma weapons fuck them up. BADLY. Hellguns do the same. Flamers have been shown to be effective. There is not a single weapon currently used by the Imperium that a Space Marine is just going to tank for long periods of time. Even a single Lasgun can do serious damage.
The funny thing is that that isn't always true. Lasguns rate from funny laser pointers to actually devastating weapons depending on who's writing and who's book it is. Even the lexicanum states "It is a relatively unimpressive weapon when compared to other weapons in the Imperium, but is still capable of cleanly severing limbs or piercing the power armour of a Space Marine (but only through a vulnerable spot in the armour)". Guardsmen aren't helpless against Space marines due to a lack of sufficient weaponry. They aren't helpless at all. It's the sight of a man nearly twice your size that can move faster than you can blink just passed this stretch of no-man's land you've been holding for a year in a matter of moments has now entered melee with your entire squad that is the deciding factor. Better guns would help, though. All my opinion, of course.
By outnumbering them 100 to 1, fighting smart, and fighting dirty. In an open firefight, a 10-man squad of Guardsmen has a chance against a single Space Marine, provided they concentrate fire, don't let up, and don't miss. Meanwhile the Space Marine has to either line up 10 shots with a bolt pistol or close the distance and engage in melee. This is why Astartes combat doctrine relies primarily on either disrupting the enemy with shock and awe assault tactics, or by presenting the enemy with a concentrated burst of overwhelming firepower; the longer a fight goes on, the more hits a Space Marine is going to take and the chances they'll be incapacitated or killed rise with each second. The Night Lords in particular are notorious for relying on psychological warfare to defeat what would ordinarily be an overwhelming foe, even for Space Marines, because there aren't that many Night Lords left, and they're scattered all over the galaxy. They need to make the enemy panic, split their fire, miss, hesitate, or make any number of mistakes that will cost them when a Raptor Squad comes screaming in on their jump packs and dives down into the middle of a platoon.
My 6 man retinue pretty handedly stomped a Chaos Space Marine aspirant on Rykad. We did have two psykers and an AD Magos with a phat Plasma Rifle though, as well as the lost Primarch named Abelard.
"What do we do?" "Well, sergeant, you can organize your squad around one of our three crew-served weapons and hope that it takes the Astartes long enough to get through you, that we have time to bring one or two down." A young man pipes up, stepping out of line with his squad. "That's it? Sorry to speak out of turn, Ma'am, but we're meant to just sit here till they turn us to bloody mincemeat? Why not just give me the Emperor's Benediction now? It'd be the same outcome." The officer turned to the lone guardsman. His comrade, who had been trying to hold him back, released him, likely avoiding catching any of his comrade's skull on his uniform. Instead, the officer addressed him. "Yes, Guardsman. Not one of us will survive this. But we might kill one. Or put dents in centuries-old power armor. We will all die here, but with any luck we'll give one a scar that he'll remember us by." The young guardsman looked up at his superior, likely both confused at both his head's un-shot comdition, and his superior's frank response. "Well, aye, ma'am. Let's leave a dent."
My favorite version of 40k is the one where characters are incredibly aware of their shortcomings. Custodian: in theory, I could certainly kill all of you. In practice, someone is bound to get lucky. Space Marine: I have the tools and talent in droves to do this, but in all likelihood, so do they. Guardsman: I can guarantee you that at least ONE of us is getting outta here in one piece.
"Wah! My lasgun's not strong enough!," cried the guardsman, complaining about being issued what is statistically the deadliest weapon in 40k. Bolters are a weapon of terror, made for conquering humanity during the Unification Wars. Lasguns and Volkite are weapons of war, made for conquering the galaxy during the Great Crusade. One well placed shot from a lasgun can kill anything smaller than a dreadnought, and for things dreadnought size and larger all you need to do is have the regiment focus fire for a volley or two. It's a really good thing lasguns are laser pointers, makes hitting a target really damn easy.
5th of May, V Day's just around the corner 1945 the Fuehrer's reign is at it's end Jenny at the gates, as the SS open fire There's no time to waste, the final battle's begun After the downfall, a castle besieged Facing the Nazis awaiting relief Gangl and Lee and their men set the prisoners free And it's the end of the line of the final journey, enemies leaving the past And it's American troops and the German army, joining together at last - The Last Battle, Sabaton From Sabaton's website: "On May 5, 1945, one of the most unlikely alliances led to the rescue of high-profile French hostages at Castle Itter in Austria. This was thanks to an American Army captain, a Waffen SS officer and a German Army Major." Jenny was the only tank Lee was able to get to the castle to aid in the defense, and the tank's firepower was critical in the successful defense of the castle. Neither Jenny nor Gangl would survive, but all the French VIPs were saved.
The funny thing is that while a heavy bolter is a bit bigger than a 25mm in terms of caliber, an actual 25mm autocannon (40k's "autocannons" are handheld rifles and might include light mounted weapons. Real life autocannons are vehicle mounted anti-vehicle weapons) would probably be the Guard's best bet. Because instead of a little rocket with a tiny explosive charge (would actually be really shitty against most armor), it's just a round the size of your chest that can punch through pretty much anything. Ceramite is far from invincible. Arguably it's not even impressive. At least not as far as sci-fi materials go. Titanium-A (molecularly reinforced titanium/CNT material the UNSC makes most of its stuff from, most of its properties aren't know so it's in good company) can take MAC rounds and plasma weapons for a short duration, even with very little of the material. Ships made of Nanolaminate can literally get hit by a couple low level relativistic weapons (that shit ain't stopping a nova cannon, but nothing really does) without any crippling damage, and a Space Marine worth of it on armor basically shrugs off everything an infantry unit can actually carry. And the Necron's living metal shrugs off basically anything that isn't a straight up railgun or fairly high level plasma weapon. So much so that it's the only thing that throwing 10,000 Guardsmen at won't really get results. I'm curious if the Imperium didn't at one point have a stronger super material that was simply lost, or if it's more like Titanium-A in that there's multiple different variations of Ceramite that were developed as humanity improved and in this case lost? Also, is Ceramite hard to produce in some way? Because if not, why not give it to the Guard? You can have them use relatively little armor for the same defense. Especially since it seems most Guard stuff is just regular steel. If you can get the amount of stuff your guys are carrying down while keeping all else equal, it makes them more effective in general. Which given the Guard is by FAR the largest and most important part of the Imperium's ground based military now might be important.
The Guard is actually well equipped to stop Astartes, they have Lascannons, Melta Guns, Plasma Guns, Autocannons and Heavy Bolters which all are pretty effective against Astartes armor.
I love stories that show just how brave the Guard is. Its easy to walk into battle knowing nothing down there can hurt you. Its another to walk into battle knowing you will die and you do it anyway.
Guardsmen to me are like the favorite child. "Oh whats that Space Marine Chapter? you conquered a whole planet by yourself. Thats Cool.". "WOW, Guardsmen Battalion you survived a whole orc invasion with only 70% casualties. Lets go Applebee's to celebrate!"
Solar Auxillia truly were goated. Sure they had access to shit like Volkite weaponry and arguably the standard Auxillia was better equipped than the Guard, but the Auxillia didn’t have Kasrkin or Militarum Tempestus units, guys trained and equipped to kill space marines. They made do and did it well.
Hearing stories like this, always reminds me of Gaunt's Ghosts and how Dan Abnett basically wrote them to be Tabletop accurate, more than anything else. There are so many occasions where the Tanith First and Only, absolutely FOLDS a bunch of Chaos Marines, as if they aren't more than fresh laundry. Not even speaking of Mkoll's 1v3, just in general.
Remember a lasgun will still punch through an Astartes face - sadly it's not like these beings of honor and doctrine have weird cultural flaws of pride to keep them from wearing the glorious helms approved by the Emperor himself... Sidenote: pictures of Roboute and Rogal (or any primarch) in their helms get me fucking haaaard. Especially Dorn, you know he took that helm seriously so the times when he didn't have it was solely to stunt on his enemies. Could you imagine seeing Perturabo or Vulkan with their helmets on? Embracing yet terrifying, what conflict were you about to drop in that saw one of them put on their helmet
I love the morbid sense of hopelessness when he said theyre the weak link. Its not like the imperial guad is the only thing keep the imperium afloat, right?
Imperial Guard runs on strategy "нас много" eg. sending more soldiers than enemy has bullets. (Technically, they use other tactics too, but they all rely on this one to work.)
Guardsmen are written so accurately to how actual soldiers would speak on the situation. I’m very impressed with the ability of the writers to see into that.
Guardsmen to an traitor astartes : May I introduce Lucy the heavy bolter
They say her last gunner hasn't been born yet 😂
Hahahaha, this mos def something a guardsmen would say..
And her Sisters Amy &Betty Sue
And linda the las cannon
Reminds me of "who touched sasha? WHO TOUCHED MY GUN"
"Whoever says a lasgun is useless, has never been shot at by a thousand of them." (Abbadon)
I could have sworn that quote was from Abraham Lincoln
It’s not much hope when you can’t get a thousand in one place, let alone shooing the same target.
He said a hundred. Or another Marine did. But, point is the same.
@@TerryBradstreet even if you couldn't get a thousand in one place, wouldn't you just need to send wave after wave of guardsmen until the space marine is sufficiently wounded and exhausted?
the quote still stands and i think we can say that space marines can't afford to tank every lasgun shot, no matter how strong they think they are
yes, space marines are super soldiers, but i think sufficiently prepared and experienced guardsmen could definitely take on a space marine with just a few lasguns
power of friendship and all
they'd just need cover, a plan, and a few sacrifices
@@mic2348inefficient, just give the guard some special weapons and train the whole regiment in them, so you can swap them around and suddenly the threat becomes much higher
And they ended up killing a fair number of night lords, love me guard
Who would win, a bunch of edgy batman wannabes, or three big gun
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@@Mastercheapalways bet on da big shootas 😈👌🔥
Simple as
The fact that it's the night lords just makes it 10x better.
The irony of that is both in tabletop and the series lore there's a lot of examples of chaos space marines getting their asses very thoroughly kicked by imperial guardsmen.
Can you point some lore examples out for me? Like, what books it happens in?
@@peskifrenchi8832 Most of them where chaos space marines appear. Though the Ciaphis Cain and Tanith first and only series provide plenty of good examples, right at the start. The horus Heresy is absolutely lousy with scenes where space marines get killed by guardsmen as well.
@@peskifrenchi8832my favorite is in Dark Imperium when a guardsman named Bolus charges a Plague Marine in the back. By the time the Legionaire had the time to turn around Bolus’ lasgun was already in the Plague Marine’ neck joint and Bolus started unloading. The Marine then fell over Bolus…
@@letendreelliott8778 or guardsman Hawk in storm of iron. He killed a few space marines with his heavy stubber and when they missed him amongst the corpse he survived and direct imperial artillery on the iron warriors from his hiding position.
@@letendreelliott8778 Shooting at the neck of space marine have to be one of the weak points of the armor
The Guard: We have one thing that the Astartes will NEVER understand
We have functional downstairs regions and we know how to use them
"How do the damned mortals replenish their losses so fast?"
"They can take their pants off, brother."
Now, guess where the chain axe is going?
@@darthlazurus4382 chop chop
@@MrEvan312 they have normal worlds full of people making occasionally, in the billions and that’s how lol
Do not tell the Emperor’s Children.
Don’t.
Space Marine: I am an angel of death, a grandson of the emperor himself, and a Divine work of art! My armor, training, and munitions are the pinnacle of what the imperium has to offer. We alone are his bastion against the teeming and innumerable enemies of the galaxy
Guardsman: According to my calculations, my home planet produces enough soldiers and munitions every hour to siege and destroy your entire chapter 10 times over. But yeah, you and your fancy armor alone.
Do not pity the Guardsman. He has held the line for 10,000 years. He will hold for 10,000 more
Guardsmen may not have their armour, their implants, their training, conditioning, or centuries of experience. But They do hold the line, without any of it.
@@Reoh0z Guardsmen are naught but flesh, blood, and will.
And yet, at the end of the day? That is more than enough.
Just don't piss off the Black Templars or the Space Wolves and you should be fine
"Weak link" in the Emperor's Vision... Proceeds to to call in artillery fires with whatever ordinance they got and killing demi gods in the process.
It's nice to see a guards men or really anyone in the imperial war machine be like the empirors a dumbass and has survived because of old humanity's vast reach and overwhelming tech (everything left in the galaxy survived the first crusade past the sol system)
"Gunner! HE/AP! Astartes!!"
"Up!!"
"On target!!"
"Purge him!"
"Firing!"
"Target down!! Shift left! Astartes!"
Repeat process with the Leman Russ until Astartes threat no longer exist.
@@HaloFTW55At the end of the day, a big fuck off shell traveling at several times the speed of sound will always be effective
@@tazrgoober6893they weren’t the weak link in the emperors plan though lol the “little people” were who his entire plan was centered around it’s why people argue to this day that he would have had the space marines all killed when’s the crusades were over
@@HaloFTW55 god i love GUNNER EMPEROR PC!
“Aim for the Helmet and the Joints in their armor, it’s the weakest point and the best chance you have to wounding them.” -Caiphas Cain (Hero of the Imperium) on how to fight against Power Armor.
Caiphas Cain: Jurgen shoot him.
Ferik Jurgen: Very good Sir *Shoots the Meltagun*
@@lamia197 Ah yes, the good old Deus Ex Jurgen. Beats everytime.
@@Tlberias someday it will be revealed Jurgen's melta gun was some lost op daot stuff
@@joaoteixeira8349Imagine if Jurgens Melta holds a C'tan fragment.
@@Tlberias Cain, when demons show up: "Say hello to my little friend !"
It's telling that shortly after the Heresy and the reorganization of the Imperium's military it triggered we saw the introduction of the Militarum Tempestus. Tempestus stormtroopers are guardsmen with weaponry specifically designed to kill Space Marines because the Imperium realized that if half the Space Marines could turn traitor it was just as possible the other half would later on and they needed to be able to fight back.
More than that, now that humanity no longer has the Emperor there's a fair chance that the Astartes would succeed him as the Imperium's de-facto rulers (Guilliman is already working on it), which would be incredibly bad for humanity unless the ruling chapter was like the Salamanders or something. Humanity needs to have the ability to fight and kill Space Marines for their own protection regardless of whether they turn traitor or not.
@@Fraggr92hell is canon that some space marine chapters train their own serfs on how to fight and use weapons specifically made to kill astartes, let that sink in.
@@Fraggr92 Ah. Looking at the Space Marines as a different race or species altogether. I haven't looked at it like that before.
@@Kareszkoma The Sisters of Battle already don't, seeing the Astartes as abhuman/mutants. The only reason they haven't campaigned against the Marines wholesale is dogmatic: they were the Emperor's creations.
Well that's not really a post heresy thing since the Tempestus Scions are more or less armed like the Solar Auxilia of old that served during the Great Crusade and Heresy.
Carapace armor, an armor piercing version of a Lasgun capable of penetrating power armor, and Power Swords as an extra treat.
These are all things they both used.
They're pretty much just the same thing with a different purpose.
The Solar Auxilia played the role of elite self contained combined arms units trained and armed to the utmost.
Meanwhile the Scions are basically the Guard's Spec Ops branch. Ranging in responsibilities from infiltration, assassination, recon, sharpshooters, down to Elite Shock Infantry.
As far as we can tell there were also just a lot more Solar Auxilia than Tempestus Scions.
heavy bolters, plasma guns, and krak grenades
meltas too
@@daxentomasivern7744and me and you
don't forget lascannon too
and maybe some type of anti-material rifle?
Some love for the autocannon please.
If your lazguns cant penetrate battle plate
Aim for the visors, if theyre so keen on calling it a fucking flashlight, we'll see how they like getting blasted in the eyes by 50 of them
Good luck landing that tiny red dots on an astartes while he is shooting you back, though.
Kinda hard to do that when 10 other space marines are charging right at you like bulls seeing red
@@leandrocastello309that's the beauty of the guard. They outnumber the Astartes a hundred to one. They don't need to aim.
I've heard the gaps in the armor are good targets too (e.g the joints of the arms, the neck)
@leandrocastello309 is better to die trying, isn't it?
Should be noted that some units of the Solar Auxilia were issued with some pretty crazy lasguns that could be charged up and fire with the power of a lascannon. So yeah, some units did get stuff that can deal with Astartes quite efficiently.
Allow me to introduce. LAS FUSIL
The kalibrax rifle? Or however it spell also i am pretty sure there a story (not if canon) about a group of guard who kept their lasgun at overcharged at all time and managed to kill a group of marine
@@thebeheaded7706?
@@hell1942 look it up
Honestly for all their crazy genetic enhancements, the real advantage of Space Marines over the Guard is their power armor. It doesn't matter how fast and tough you are when there's a million shots flying towards you and they can all kill you
Traitor astartes: You are outmatched!
Guardsmen: But never outnumbered!!
Gaurd hold the line, they stand against the monsters of the universe. They are human, a spacemarine is made for war, the guardsmen is a human. I ask you, who do you think is braver? The demi God of War or the common man who stands against something he was never meant to fight and fights regardless.
Whiney guardsman: "We were given useless weapons!"
Space Marine: "FUCK they have even bigger bolters than we do!"
They have three
A Space marine legion has hundreds of Bolters, heavy bolters, Bolt rifles to chose from while the Guardsman have like, 3 for each company
Even so they still hold, put respect on guardsmen, without them the imperium would be dead within a week
Space Marines don't fit in Bane Blades...
@@northernalpine4350 your the whiny one who talks about the rules at games aren't you 😂
@@John-lw5xc?
@@taliawtf6944 didn’t legions actually use baneblades during the heresy? I’m pretty sure it was the only “normal” vehicle that was capable of accommodating their bulk.
I mean the Solar Auxilia literally killed Word Bearer during the battle of calth literally the best Human VS Space Marine i have ever read.
Whats the title of the book? I kinda wanna read it now
@@crimsonfloof6189know no fear
Solar Auxilia are built different
They're the best of the best, with way better gear
Their lasguns could actually get through power armour
@@Canadian_Zacthose lasguns are called hotshots aren't they?
No, they have the Kalibrax V-1 laser rifles. MUCH more powerful than the lasgun@@fantasyfan10
In the book, I remember them killing about 18 night lords with the heavy bolters before the night lords over runned the position.
I think it was a night lord who said something to the effect of "if you think lasguns are a joke you haven't charged at hundred of them"
It was Abbadon
Everybody gangsta until all lasguns are pointing at you -chaos sorcerer probably
Guardsmen: How do you kill a Space Marine? Use a gun. And if that didn't work *pulls out Heavy Bolter*, use more gun.
Or get a regiment of Catachans. Those guys can kill just about anything.
One time a Catachan strangled a Night Lord to death with a jungle vine.
Ah! The ork way of "MORE DAKKA BECAUSE THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH DAKKA!" ?
@@Captain-Thieviusbeing a night lord is all fun and games until the trees start speaking Catachan
@@marxel4444Honestly, that describes most weapons development. Just look at how ridiculous big artillery pieces got during WW1
@@filmandfirearms ww1? look at the heavy gustav the nazis build to attack the maginot line with!
Guard in lore: We're no match for the astartes! Emperor help us.....
Guard on tabletop: *casually kills a few dozen dozen guys who cost the imperium more than their entire regiment with a bunch of artillery and tanks*
Guards on tabletop are just the ones in lore who are so good that there’s not a story to tell, just another victory in holding the line
Funny story: I saw an Imperial Guard player table a Custodes player. The Leman Russ tanks did most of the killing. The last remaining Custodes was down to 1 wound left and died because a bunch of Guardsmen charged in and beat him to death.
@@Captain-Thievius All I can picture is a bunch of Cadians kicking a Custodes while he's curled up on the ground, what a glorious image.
The he good old days when Lasguns were AP1.
just built my 7th russ gettting back into guard, used to have like 5k pts back in 5th/6th
chaos commanders have admitted that no, they do not want to just walk into mass las fire with just power armor.
And that's with the guards having no other support weapons, vehicles or fire. But they almost always do.
Only need to hit the thinner or less protected parts on a high power setting to get through....
@@thuranz2773 Continuous strikes will also take their toll. The lasers ablate a bit of the armor, then the next strike to that spot ablates a bit more, and a bit more, and...
Given enough fire concentration, the armor will eventually fail.
I love that in the modern imperium it’s reversed, the Guard are the backbone, if every single space marine disappeared the imperium would lose a million heroes in an instant, if every guardsman disappeared the imperium would lose, period
Without the mechanicum imperium would last 5 years due to stockpiles.
Without astartes they would last a year.
Without the gueard they would be lucky to last a month
@@Graine01 without the navy its over in a day
"Congratulations men. You have been promoted from line infantry, to logistics! You will no longer fire your lasguns at the enemy, but instead spend all your remaining time supplying, and loading that gun. For if it's fire dies, so will you!"
Battle plate: "You can not scratch me"
Guardsman: "I know, but this will"
Heavy Bolters: 🗿
It's like the Engineer said. "To fix a practical problem, use a lasgun. And if that don't work, use more lasgun."
Take heart, Guardsmen of the Imperium and heed my words.
ANYTHING can die if you try hard enough.
If I remember in this book a Guardsman manages to kill a Nightlord by shooting him through the eye lens.
Las guns: im sorry big brother... I cannot scratch their armor
Las Cannon: please, step aside little brother. I have a hole to make.
A rucksack full of krak grenades and a can-do attitude is enough to make any space marine fear the common guardsman.
And when all else fails, A meltabomb and talking fast enough to make them believe you'll be a good prisoner while you arm it.
Just like Trooper Simpkin of the Cadian XXth
I was just reading the fourth book in the Soul Drinkers series. A general of the guard is ordered to attack a Space Marine Chapter Master. The General draws his sword and says "Make it quick."
Lasguns can kill space Marines though, its not as good as a bolter but 100 las guns will do infinitely mire damage than a single bolter
The issue is getting 100 terrified guardsman to focus all their lasguns on a single charging space marine at a time, while 10 more charge you unimpeded. Against a small squad of say 4 or 5 Astartes, 100 calm and focused guardsman could easily take them all down given enough distance and coordination. They'd melt an average space marine's ceramite like butter with that much focused las fire. Good luck giving the right guardsman the right circumstances to make it happen though.
@@Jaimyoutubing true but there's so many instances of counteraction with multiple times in books space marines saying that one guardsmen isnt a threat but they wouldn't dream of assaulting a fortified line of guardsmen without support and then at the same time guardsmen saying all they have is flashlights but canonically the power of a las gun is enough to puncture a space marines armor in close range with one or two shots and that for even heavily armored orks that a single las gun blast is enough to separate a limb
40k writing is inconsistent, especially when marines are involved. Sometimes 20 shots on a weak spot will down a traitor marine, other times they can walk through lasgun fire like it’s rain. Cost of having a setting with so many writers unfortunately
@@Jaimyoutubing Not quite. All armor has weak points, and powered armor is no exception.
For example, in a lot of marks of powered armor, the throat is completely uncovered. That's a kill shot even on a primaris. Most joints like the knees, shoulders, wrists, elbows, ankles *have* to have some degree of lighter more flexible armoring to let them work. If they don't you completely immobilize your space marine.
Another thing that gets pretty regularly ignored by space marines fans is that imperial guardsmen rarely if ever have *only* lasguns.
Grenade launchers easily able to penetrate astartes powered armor both as a dedicated launcher, and combi weapon attachments to said lasgun are very common in the regiments of the imperial guard, and a lot of imperial guardsmen are issued with things like sniper rifles of both lasweapon and non lasweapon varieties that will easily go through astartes armor, flamers are present in the imperial guard armory and can essentially bypass even some vehicle level armor entirely.
It's quite common for officers and non commissioned officers in the imperial guard to have bolt pistols or sometimes the same bolters as those space marines, plasma guns or pistols, as well as melta guns of both pistol and full size varieties. Likewise, chain and power weapons as melee sidearms are fairly common, both of which can cut through Space marine armor.
Also, virtually all imperial guard regiments have organic artillery and support weapons. Ranging from the heavy stubber (An M2 machinegun in everything but name that can be quite effective against infantry and some light vehicles) to heavy and storm bolters (the storm bolter essentially being two heavy bolters set up to take a belt feed of heavier then normal armor piercing bolter shells) autocannons (the longest ranged direct fire, rapid fire capable weapon in the base game that can very efficiently kill space marines) to lascannons, missile squads, or mortar teams.
The funniest bit is that in the Warhammer 40k setting shotguns are far more effective against armor then in real life, and frequently issued to some imperial guard regiments specializing in close combat, as well as being an extremely common weapon for imperial navy ratings to help fight against boarding actions. There's actually canonical examples of shotguns taking out grey knights and custodes in the lore, who usually have better armor then most stock space marines.
I don't think regular marines are as durable as some people (and some writers) might make it be.
Most remarks of space marines are about them work in squads and with astra militarum support.
Sure they are more durable, but they are far from being able to just run towards a bunch of fairly armed soldiers without consequences... unless they are a named character of course, plot armor is too thick.
Well, that's the thing: a Lasgun is useless against a full Legion of Astartes, but a thousand Lasguns firing at just one will still burn through the armor fast enough that even Astartes won't last.
"Any Legionary who scoffs at the Lasgun has not had to charge across an open field against 100."
And then they procceded to lay one of the best ambushes in the heresy, something that would make corax blush if that were possible
Guardsman 1 "we're fucked"
Guardsman 2 "no shit"
Guardsman 3 "MAN THE CANNONS LADS!!!"
I feel bad that the guardsman's lack of faith came from him thinking the Emperor actually preferred the transhuman Space Marines over regular humans. Its not true at all. Space Marines have never been anything but a tool to the Emperor. A necessary measure to quell a galaxy in literal and figurative Chaos. Only their Primarchs meant anything to him, and even that wasn't intended (they were supposed to be tools too, but he ended up coming to love some of them genuinely). The Emperor's plan was always for the true humans to take the reigns of the Imperium after the Great Crusade was complete and the Webway project was finished. He wanted humanity to govern itself, while he could fade into the background, just working on projects to improve humanity. It all just sadly went to shit for a million different reasons.
He was just mad because they always get their codex first
true, but the average human knew none of this. Hell even his own sons didn't know his true plans. Everything played second fiddle to the great crusade and the space marine legions. The highest you could get in the civilian government was to rule a planet or somewhere in the Administratum. either way you were just playing logistics for the imperial warmachine, which at the time the Legions were the poster boys.
and it did not matter how good you were at fighting or how high your rank. In the military You were eternally playing second fiddle to the space marines. With even the lowest rank marine potentially outranking you no matter your position. You were either a second rate backup force or on cleanup duty for when the legions passed. the space marines got all the love and attention, and the Primarchs only answered to daddy and Malcador.
While some base line humans were important story wise. In the grand scheme of things i can think of no human who was ever 'important'. So, is it any wonder Guardsmen feel this way?
Chalk it up to poor communication
Fucking Magnus.
@@geraldholt2755hey! It wasn't my boy Magnus' fault. He did his best! And he'd have still been loyal if it hadn't been for Tzeentch's shard shattering bullshit, or the curse on the Thousand Suns.
Hell, get him his noble shard back and help Ahriman cure the remaining Thousand Suns and they'd all rejoin the Imperium immediately.
Funny thing is. I play world eaters, and I got 3 kills against the guardsmen while I got wiped last night. The guard scares me lol
My poor ork boys got jumped by a full team of scions once and got deleted 😢
@@tacticaltoad1104 The pain is real
"FIGHT BACK! FIGHT BACK NIGGA!"
- The 20 angry Cadians that caught a Khronate berserker lacking
And they achieved a kill ratio of 1:1 againsts the night lords guards back then were a different breed.
30k guard was op
@@lashedandscornedthe IMPERIAL ARMY!
@@unclesam5230 This is like differentiating the Space Marine Legion to Chapter all over again.
That scene in Pharos goes SO HARD. Those Guardsmen do DAMAGE
I remember that there is the Triplex-Phall pattern Lasgun that has several settings on power. The highest setting can penetrate even space marine power armor.
They used those in the first Gaunt's Ghost novel so when Chaos Space Marines appeared they were relatively easily killed.
When hope dies, despair remains.
And despair is the most dangerous of blades, available to those who have no hope left.
Astartes essentially fill the roll of light armor. They're fast, hit hard, and are nearly impervious to small arms. Which is why weapons like antimaterial rifles and rocket launchers exist. Light enough to be man portable but able to scare off or kill an APC or IFV.
Or in this case heavy bolters.
Mericus: _"A lasgun isn't going to scratch Legionary battleplate"_
Me, using a Las Fusil to pop Rubric Marines: _"Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, buddy"_
"That’s why the poor bloody Guard always win. We’re expendable." - Scout Seargeant Mkoll
Even without the bolters they weren't as screwed as they thought, sure one lasgun ain't gonna pierce Astartes ceramite, but stack enough of them and it absolutely will get through!
"The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."
More so with up powered Krieg laz guns.
Guardsman commander: Oh no! Im going to be killed by that terminator when he finally climbs those stairs!
Terminator: ... The armor is just heavy, I'm not fat.
Human Gue'vesa issued pulse weapons on Prefectia enjoyed quite a different and far more optimistic conversation when it came to fending off Astartes.
Was the fight more optimistic?
@@TheReal_Antreyif the writer wasn't a shit head probably
@@Alzir-n9m so the space marines were dodging plasma blasters like neo
@@TheReal_Antrey Well the Tau won the war and conquered the planet, with a large uprising of Human populace aiding them, killing the Raven Guard chapter master in the process. So overall it went pretty well.
@@UnknownSquid That's so stupid. The Tau killing space marines how ridiculous.
Single Lasgun? Maybe not.
Couple hundred thousand? That's gonna do more than scratch.
One lasgun shot won’t kill a space marine but one hundred shots per second?
Ceramite absorbs an absurd amount of heat, enough that technically, any space marine could drop from orbit and as long as they had a jump pack or some other means of deaccelerating, they could make it to the ground.
This has been done in the lore. Its not a coincidence, as acknowledged in the lore excerpt in this short, that the Space Marines armor happens to be best suited to tanking the most ubiquitous form of weapon in the galaxy: heat based weapons (lasers, plasma etc).
Ceramite is literally designed to tank those sort of weapons all day, any day.
@@Vaprous yes but guardsmen from the astra militarum are not just the run of the mill soldiers they are better than the planetary defense force so not only are they firing for center of mass but for the weak points of armor. Not to mention that lasguns can be modified to fire stronger beams of laser for example a lascannon
While a space marine can tank a laser beam to the false from a lasgun what about multiple laser beams from multiple directions all hitting either the same target over and over again one one part that weakens the armor or if the guardsman just switches a setting his rifle so he has less ammo but each beam pack more power.
@@Vaprousso space marines can survive the heat of falling from space but a ork flamer can melt them? What even is in ork flamers.😅
@@Vaprous Literally the only heat based weapons they don't struggle with are Lasguns. And that's in small numbers. Plasma weapons fuck them up. BADLY. Hellguns do the same. Flamers have been shown to be effective. There is not a single weapon currently used by the Imperium that a Space Marine is just going to tank for long periods of time. Even a single Lasgun can do serious damage.
@@tacticaltoad1104 The power of belief, DUH
The funny thing is that that isn't always true. Lasguns rate from funny laser pointers to actually devastating weapons depending on who's writing and who's book it is. Even the lexicanum states "It is a relatively unimpressive weapon when compared to other weapons in the Imperium, but is still capable of cleanly severing limbs or piercing the power armour of a Space Marine (but only through a vulnerable spot in the armour)".
Guardsmen aren't helpless against Space marines due to a lack of sufficient weaponry. They aren't helpless at all. It's the sight of a man nearly twice your size that can move faster than you can blink just passed this stretch of no-man's land you've been holding for a year in a matter of moments has now entered melee with your entire squad that is the deciding factor.
Better guns would help, though.
All my opinion, of course.
Meanwhile, the RPG books are like 'yeah, standard lasgun can punch through legion power armor with this minor combo'
By outnumbering them 100 to 1, fighting smart, and fighting dirty.
In an open firefight, a 10-man squad of Guardsmen has a chance against a single Space Marine, provided they concentrate fire, don't let up, and don't miss. Meanwhile the Space Marine has to either line up 10 shots with a bolt pistol or close the distance and engage in melee.
This is why Astartes combat doctrine relies primarily on either disrupting the enemy with shock and awe assault tactics, or by presenting the enemy with a concentrated burst of overwhelming firepower; the longer a fight goes on, the more hits a Space Marine is going to take and the chances they'll be incapacitated or killed rise with each second.
The Night Lords in particular are notorious for relying on psychological warfare to defeat what would ordinarily be an overwhelming foe, even for Space Marines, because there aren't that many Night Lords left, and they're scattered all over the galaxy. They need to make the enemy panic, split their fire, miss, hesitate, or make any number of mistakes that will cost them when a Raptor Squad comes screaming in on their jump packs and dives down into the middle of a platoon.
My 6 man retinue pretty handedly stomped a Chaos Space Marine aspirant on Rykad.
We did have two psykers and an AD Magos with a phat Plasma Rifle though, as well as the lost Primarch named Abelard.
"What do we do?"
"Well, sergeant, you can organize your squad around one of our three crew-served weapons and hope that it takes the Astartes long enough to get through you, that we have time to bring one or two down."
A young man pipes up, stepping out of line with his squad.
"That's it? Sorry to speak out of turn, Ma'am, but we're meant to just sit here till they turn us to bloody mincemeat? Why not just give me the Emperor's Benediction now? It'd be the same outcome."
The officer turned to the lone guardsman. His comrade, who had been trying to hold him back, released him, likely avoiding catching any of his comrade's skull on his uniform.
Instead, the officer addressed him.
"Yes, Guardsman. Not one of us will survive this. But we might kill one. Or put dents in centuries-old power armor. We will all die here, but with any luck we'll give one a scar that he'll remember us by."
The young guardsman looked up at his superior, likely both confused at both his head's un-shot comdition, and his superior's frank response.
"Well, aye, ma'am. Let's leave a dent."
Ah yes, the heavy bolter - my beloved
“Any space marine hearing guardsman whine about useless weapons.”
Space marine: *looks at the multiple leman russ tanks and bane blades*
It's a slaughter when guardsmen take on anything
Guardsman: EAT BOLTGUN!! Wow thats empowering.
My favorite version of 40k is the one where characters are incredibly aware of their shortcomings.
Custodian: in theory, I could certainly kill all of you. In practice, someone is bound to get lucky.
Space Marine: I have the tools and talent in droves to do this, but in all likelihood, so do they.
Guardsman: I can guarantee you that at least ONE of us is getting outta here in one piece.
Anything dies when you drop enough TNT on it.
-basilisk crewman, probably
Those Lasguns in Space Marine 2 are pretty brutal actually.
It's always fascinating that a Lasgun would be OP if put in other sci fi universes
"Wah! My lasgun's not strong enough!," cried the guardsman, complaining about being issued what is statistically the deadliest weapon in 40k.
Bolters are a weapon of terror, made for conquering humanity during the Unification Wars. Lasguns and Volkite are weapons of war, made for conquering the galaxy during the Great Crusade.
One well placed shot from a lasgun can kill anything smaller than a dreadnought, and for things dreadnought size and larger all you need to do is have the regiment focus fire for a volley or two. It's a really good thing lasguns are laser pointers, makes hitting a target really damn easy.
I remember reading that novel. Poor guards ended up skinned alive.
I loved the detail in space marine 2 when he said "small arms fire in the distance" and it's the fucking cadians lmfao
This is the same when people think a tank should be invincible even tho literally some foot soldiers could carry ATGMs
Guardsman: This is my Heavy Bolter. Her name is Jenny.
(If you know, you know.)
Nobody know apparently
@@Bashaka104 12 history nerds do so far.
5th of May, V Day's just around the corner
1945 the Fuehrer's reign is at it's end
Jenny at the gates, as the SS open fire
There's no time to waste, the final battle's begun
After the downfall, a castle besieged
Facing the Nazis awaiting relief
Gangl and Lee and their men set the prisoners free
And it's the end of the line of the final journey, enemies leaving the past
And it's American troops and the German army, joining together at last
- The Last Battle, Sabaton
From Sabaton's website:
"On May 5, 1945, one of the most unlikely alliances led to the rescue of high-profile French hostages at Castle Itter in Austria. This was thanks to an American Army captain, a Waffen SS officer and a German Army Major."
Jenny was the only tank Lee was able to get to the castle to aid in the defense, and the tank's firepower was critical in the successful defense of the castle. Neither Jenny nor Gangl would survive, but all the French VIPs were saved.
The funny thing is that while a heavy bolter is a bit bigger than a 25mm in terms of caliber, an actual 25mm autocannon (40k's "autocannons" are handheld rifles and might include light mounted weapons. Real life autocannons are vehicle mounted anti-vehicle weapons) would probably be the Guard's best bet. Because instead of a little rocket with a tiny explosive charge (would actually be really shitty against most armor), it's just a round the size of your chest that can punch through pretty much anything. Ceramite is far from invincible. Arguably it's not even impressive. At least not as far as sci-fi materials go. Titanium-A (molecularly reinforced titanium/CNT material the UNSC makes most of its stuff from, most of its properties aren't know so it's in good company) can take MAC rounds and plasma weapons for a short duration, even with very little of the material. Ships made of Nanolaminate can literally get hit by a couple low level relativistic weapons (that shit ain't stopping a nova cannon, but nothing really does) without any crippling damage, and a Space Marine worth of it on armor basically shrugs off everything an infantry unit can actually carry. And the Necron's living metal shrugs off basically anything that isn't a straight up railgun or fairly high level plasma weapon. So much so that it's the only thing that throwing 10,000 Guardsmen at won't really get results. I'm curious if the Imperium didn't at one point have a stronger super material that was simply lost, or if it's more like Titanium-A in that there's multiple different variations of Ceramite that were developed as humanity improved and in this case lost?
Also, is Ceramite hard to produce in some way? Because if not, why not give it to the Guard? You can have them use relatively little armor for the same defense. Especially since it seems most Guard stuff is just regular steel. If you can get the amount of stuff your guys are carrying down while keeping all else equal, it makes them more effective in general. Which given the Guard is by FAR the largest and most important part of the Imperium's ground based military now might be important.
"All hope is lost"
"Nah mate we got three heavy bolters, when those go down all hope is lost"
Remember, kids: everyone dumps on the lasgun, but you won't see where the bolter's worked itself out a job
The Guard is actually well equipped to stop Astartes, they have Lascannons, Melta Guns, Plasma Guns, Autocannons and Heavy Bolters which all are pretty effective against Astartes armor.
Our weapons are useless against them!
Heavy bolters - you called?
Three heavy bolters for a platoon is serious fire power in a entrenched position thats a hard nut to crack for even astartes
Somebody called Earthshaker 😎
I love stories that show just how brave the Guard is. Its easy to walk into battle knowing nothing down there can hurt you. Its another to walk into battle knowing you will die and you do it anyway.
The Emperor's greatest mistake was thinking humanity needed superhuman protectors. The very moment he made that decision, he lost.
Autocannons in Winter Assault and onwards turned so many people into Imperial Guard fans...
Guardsmen to me are like the favorite child. "Oh whats that Space Marine Chapter? you conquered a whole planet by yourself. Thats Cool.". "WOW, Guardsmen Battalion you survived a whole orc invasion with only 70% casualties. Lets go Applebee's to celebrate!"
Always got to love the underdog
The irony being, of course, that mortal humans were meant to be the inheritors of the Imperium.
In the Black Library books centred around Guardsmen’s perspectives a single Chaos Space Marine showing up is like the apocalypse coming
Ciaphus cain and his trusty chain blade knows how
"it's always uplifting when your world views confirmed. Especially if it's a miserable one"
literally me
Solar Auxillia truly were goated. Sure they had access to shit like Volkite weaponry and arguably the standard Auxillia was better equipped than the Guard, but the Auxillia didn’t have Kasrkin or Militarum Tempestus units, guys trained and equipped to kill space marines. They made do and did it well.
Leman Russ battle tank casually eating Chaos Marines: "Stings, doesn't it?"
*Death Guard came and sneezed closed in close viciny of the I.G while fighting
"Hey, you guys ever seen rambo?"
Hearing stories like this, always reminds me of Gaunt's Ghosts and how Dan Abnett basically wrote them to be Tabletop accurate, more than anything else.
There are so many occasions where the Tanith First and Only, absolutely FOLDS a bunch of Chaos Marines, as if they aren't more than fresh laundry.
Not even speaking of Mkoll's 1v3, just in general.
SM: "You can't defeat me"
G: "Yeah, I can't... But this Turret Mounted Heavy Bolter can"
"puny lasgu-"
>Rolls 45 hits
>Rolls 10 sixes
"RUN BROTHER!"
The best thing guard have is knowing they are on the back foot. They dont get cocky, and it keeps them pragmatic.
The planet broke before the guard did
Yet the “weak link” has held the line for over 10 thousand years
My bud who plays Templars definitely always flinched when I took the field with 12+ heavy bolters.
Heretic Astartes: Ha! These pathetic Guardsmen don't stand a chance!
Guardsman with a Heavy Bolter: THRONE OF TERRA!!!
Remember a lasgun will still punch through an Astartes face - sadly it's not like these beings of honor and doctrine have weird cultural flaws of pride to keep them from wearing the glorious helms approved by the Emperor himself...
Sidenote: pictures of Roboute and Rogal (or any primarch) in their helms get me fucking haaaard. Especially Dorn, you know he took that helm seriously so the times when he didn't have it was solely to stunt on his enemies. Could you imagine seeing Perturabo or Vulkan with their helmets on? Embracing yet terrifying, what conflict were you about to drop in that saw one of them put on their helmet
Gaunt's Ghosts said fuck the chaos space marines right before canoeing their heads
Gosh its crazy that the Warhammer lore goes so deep that the weapons everyone uses are complex characters in themselves.
Surprised no one pointed out that if Astartes were 100% loyal, they would not be in this situation.
Fix shovels boys, we going space boi hunting
“They had entire legions fall to chaos but my regiments ?????”
I love the morbid sense of hopelessness when he said theyre the weak link. Its not like the imperial guad is the only thing keep the imperium afloat, right?
Imperial Guard runs on strategy "нас много" eg. sending more soldiers than enemy has bullets.
(Technically, they use other tactics too, but they all rely on this one to work.)
Guardsmen are written so accurately to how actual soldiers would speak on the situation. I’m very impressed with the ability of the writers to see into that.