Here's my issue with race swapping, it's lazy tokenism pretending to be diversity. There is thousands of years of mythology to draw on from ALL ethnicities how hard can it possibly be for writers and creators to diversify and create original representative works. It's honestly exhausting watching people jump through hoops to defend these companies for doing the absolute least they could possibly do to be inclusive instead of demanding creative and original representation.
I had it pointed out to me by a black person that African culture has its own mermaid mythology! They do have mermaid stories that they could have told. But Hollywood had to be lazy and decided to put Ariel in blackface. Because mah diversity🙄
Not just epic myths either. Most Disney movies are interpretations of children's stories. Are they going to pretend like these don't exist on other continents?
Ppl who bitch about ppl caring about race swapping clearly don't understand the importance of culture and it being erased. They r erasing white culture and their the same ppl who 10 years ago said who cares if someone identifies as a dif sex. And now they target our kids.
I’ve been saying this for years- even without the race swapping/historical reimagining/gender swapping/whatever, why are there absolutely no original works worth a fuck being made? It’s all ‘new take on something old’ type stuff, reviving old content and continuing a story that didn’t need new chapters, or as the kids say ‘retcon’. Is there no one or nothing worth writing about in the particular skin tone/historical period/gender group for you to write about?
As a black woman all i can say is; If Tiana had being swapped by a white actress with blonde hair and blue eyes ,everyone would have lost it. The double standard is real.
Please stop the maddness. Biracial people have been used in place of black people for DECADES. Nico Parker is predominately WHITE, she is not black. BUT all people see is that her mother is HALF black. No one is questioning whether the lead actor Scandanavian...I wonder why.
It is true what the comment said to you. But they also reworked the story completely so it felt like a new story and that is why no one had a problem with it. There is animated versions of it way before Tiana. But also Tiana and the story was lovely.
I'm a student of history, I absolutely love reading about mediterranian cultures - in particular the ancient Greeks and Romans. I don't browse the old Netflix that much but when I found out about Cleopatra I laughed my ass off. So much evidence to the contrary, yet they still cast her as a black african. The fact that they pissed off all of Egypt spoke volumes.
1ST,,,Egypt is in Africa,and at Cleopatra's time over 95% of the population was native black and brown Africans,.MANY GREEKS WERE MIXED RACE,AS AFRICANS EDUCATED THEM FOR HUNDREDS OF YRS. Modern Egyptian Arabs NEVER existed in ancient Africa,they descend from invaders,GOOGLE....DATE OF MUSLIM ARAB INVASION OF NORTH AFRICA. 639 AD. Many excellant factual videos have surfaced confirming Cleopatra's mixed race. Netflix RESEARCHED and got it right,they didn't use ignorance,racism ,or HOLLYWOOD in their DOCUMENTARY. google....cambridge university real cleopatra.
It shows how people don’t know much about the topic before they start cancelling, because if they did hire an actress who was blonde, people would be mad at Netflix for not hiring someone black (because she’s African, right??)
Imagine happening in the opposite direction, as has happened with the Lilo and Stitch actress that had the right diversity but was not black enough for the progressists.
I'm sad that they are changing Astrid. She is a Viking, from that culture. Also, if she is the only black person in the film, it stands out even more. Imo she was a good example of blonde-haired blue-eyed woman who doesn't uphold the "blondes are dumb" trope and is both feminine, supportive, and strong at the same time.
Then they should make all characters black and base all the story in Bronx, and instead of the dragons, there should be cops. Then it will be much more interesting to watch
Going to make a WW2 film. I got lots of Japanese guys to play the Americans at pearl harbor and am working a deal with Denzel Washington to agree to play Hitler.
I find it immensely ironic that Disney is wanting to show black representation in their live actions, and yet they're completely ignoring the Princess and the Frog
@@zacharysiple629 yk if they make the remake of the Princess and the frog I bet the characters are gonna be white lmao and like Sydney is saying just stay close to what how the character looks and make a new story but never make a black person white or a white person black that is just annoying and not respectful
It's because thats probably the least popular movie. Many people probably don't even know what that is. In their minds it's a more sure bet to race swap a white girl from a more popular movie instead.
@@mattvaughn8525 The Princess and the Frog is FAR from the least popular Disney movie. I know a few black Disney stars love it. Dinosaur, The Wild, Meet The Robinsons, Chicken Little, ones like that are F-A-R less popular than THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG.
Then we can do true blind casting all the time and everyone of any ethnicity is on equal footing. (Blind casting can work well actually, but I can also see the times you wouldn’t want to do it that way)
@Katie.L Hall I want to see a beautiful red-headed Caucasian woman like yourself be cast for the role of those such as Harriet Tubman or The Ronettes trio, or Aunt Jemima! ❤
@@LennyCash777 dude, I WISH my hIr was red! 😆 it is brown, May be reflecting the red of the wood in the pic. But I’ll stay out of the acting world except to criticize when my favorite musicals (Little Shop of Horrors and Joseph) cast really bad vocalists
I agree. People always tell me to shut the hell up about this, but it actually does piss me off to see literal DOZENS of redheaded characters erased and cast as black people. Redheads are one of the most historically and even presently mistreated minority groups and we always have to take a back seat to black people because they just see the white skin and see privilege. I actually agree with the left in the sense that representation does have an impact, because one single episode of South Park led to over a decade of ruthless bullying of redheaded kids. Imagine if there were even a few redheaded characters in popular media for people to see that we're just regular people. I don't mean to make it sound like I want oppression points but I do think it's a point worth discussing.
@@poogissploogis You're good. White people (specifically ginger people) complaining when we are victimized and then being told that we're simply "looking for oppression points" is simply another tactic of hating White people and gaslighting us into shutting up. I'm not even a ginger yet I'm fcking sick of the "gingers have no souls" meme. It exists purely because npc's won't hop off a fad. So stupid. During an age in which hating White people is the norm, we don't need sht like that. Gingers are unique and should be celebrated.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Exactly. I probably could get behind a Little MerMaid based upon one of Neptunes other daughters. Maybe Ariel inspire them to get out of their element and explore another world and to pursue their own dream. So, while Ariel fulfilled her dream for love, this other daughter could take on a strong lead as a female hero of man. I mean, guess what, there are a lot of female soldiers, doctors, police officers, teachers, who have saved men, women, and children and are seen as much of a hero as their male counterparts. Heck. I'm a Wonder Woman fan. Storm and Rogue are my favorite X-Men (even above Wolverine). Nikita is a spy/assassin I would want on my side.Heck, until Olvia Benson (Law & Order: SVU, before that becaome political) was my favorite of the Benson-Stablier duo.
@Michael Irons I wish we could have gotten a different Mermaid movie. I love the og Little Mermaid and I would have fully supported some kind of spin-off or a completely different movie with mermaids. Unfortunately, movie studios nowadays only care about cash, publicity, and deflecting criticism smh. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. Halle Bailey isn't even a good actress, so the casting made no sense to me. Also, I also loved Olivia Benso until they made her character into the "sad activist" type.
I don't see the big deal of why a lot of people get so upset with this issue, it's been done for centuries with paintings of historical figures...but I think you make a valid point that studios will push out garbage movies and then deflect by saying well you're against 'x...y...z'...
@@RonniV2 Wiki: "Gabriella is a recurring character in the animated series _The Little Mermaid._ She is a deaf mermaid who communicates in American Sign Language; her friend Ollie, an octopus, serves as her interpreter." A deaf dark skin Hispanic mermaid with an octopus friend. She's a marketing win.
I confess, I used to be woke. I was easily triggered. I would protest everything that offended me, and demand it all be cancelled. Eventually I outgrew it, and went to preschool.
Atheists destroy societies the religious have built and established. Homosexuals deconstruct and destroy what heterosexuals have built and established. Diversity destroys what a majority of one type of people have built and established.
U havnt seen fate series have u . They swapped races and genders of everyone Alexander the Great is an african ginger Nero is a blonde girl King arthur is a blonde girl pretending to be boi . And yeah she's underage Sir lancelot is an african I can go on and on
As a norwegian I get kinda upset when they mess with Scandinavian/Nordic/Norse/Sami culture. Some people don't understand that white people have culture. And not all white culture is the same (Same as with all races. Not all asian culture is the same. Not all black culture is the same etc.) We here in the northern part of Europe don't get that much representation (Apart from Viking stuff and Norse mythology that they make very "Hollywood") We lost both Astrid and Ariel. Why not find a scandinavian to play them? I'm already scared about what they're gonna do with Frozen if that ever become a live action. They're just gonna ignore the norwegian/sami etnetisity even though those are big parts of the movies. There is also a trend on removing that small minority of redheads. They already lost Ariel and Triss (Witcher) Watch Merida and Anna also getting replaced. 🙄 Why not making new stories? Why even making all this moneygrabbing live action movies?
Som tur är så gör vi ju också våra egna filmer och behöver inte förlita oss på att bli representerade av jänkarna. De kan få hålla sig där borta på andra sidan havet och syssla med sitt strunt, och så fortsätter vi att göra vårt.
hi maidenviking i am asking this so i can educate myself and because i love LOVE learning new things and history so my queen or questions is this is Norwegians all Vikings or some? is Norwegian in Holland or own country? was there to your knowglegy any black vikings
The problem is: If a character goes from white to black or male to female. It's always "what's the problem are you a racist? But if a character of color is played by someone with even a bit of a lighter skin tone the woke mob is erupting in anger 🤷🏾
white to black (and everything else) has been done to death, which is why you're NOW seeing black to everything else, which wouldn't be too bad if it all wasn't bread-bunned around the slippery slope of the radical left.
@@Fabo2701 12:38 And the woke SJWeirdos still REE'd whitewashing, because she was lighter skinned. Like, tanning is a thing. Send her to Coachella and write that off as a business expense.
I was thinking the same thing. I keep hearing that white people have no cultures, which is also why "Black" gets capitalized and white does not according to media guidelines.
I refuse to believe that other non-European cultures don't have their own mythology, stories, or fairy tales that Hollywood could represent. So that leave me to believe that one of the following is true. One, the agenda is to destroy European culture by hijacking it to promote a woke culture agenda. Two, Hollywood eletes are too ignorant to look for other source material to feed on. Three, Hollywood simply doesn't have faith that these lesser known stories will be popular with a world wide audience. I actually hope it is the third and not the other two. Because the third can be addressed. Stay true to the source material, cast ethnicly correct actors, and tell a good story. People will come to your movie.
The ‘terribly white’ European cultures are the healthy dominant ones. Who is dying to move to the Congo? Who improves their lives by leaving America or the UK for Zimbabwe or Namibia or the Middle East or China or Venezuela or North Korea…? When was the last time the worlds medical achievements have been paved by Africa…ancient Egypt?
There is huge difference between a movie and a documentary. No mater how much you want Cleopatra to be black it is 100% a no go in a documentary. Calling it a documentary is supposed to mean something
@Blueness1230 I agree the choice of actress was irrelevant. But to specifically claim that she was black when she was not is the problem. There are awards shows from Mexico where they have best actress and best actor awards - incidentally they do in a protagonist role and an antagonist role, (so bad guys get awards too not just the starring "hero") But they have an award that is generally regarded as the most prestigious - best actor/actress in a cross over role. This goes to a Hispanic actor playing an explicitly "Non-Hispanic" role. The idea is to play a character that is not a stereotypical Hispanic person and do so convincingly. I do not see the reason people are so obsessed with either "race swapping a a character" or insisting "race is relevant to a character, where their race is not a main component of the character" Other people comment about MLK, well MLK the whole point of his life was that he was black fighting for civil rights, therefore that is the main "personality" trait needed to be considered when casting. Queen Cleopatra was Queen of Egypt highly educated and had an affair with Caesar and Marc Antony - while she was Macedonian Greek that is mostly irrelevant to her individual character. You don't need Greek Actress to play the part.
It seems as if whites think they are superior and any person of color displayed in a position of power is fallacious and wrong when it fact it is not! Columbus didn’t even discover America, get off of your high horse!
That documentary even has Roman soldiers wearing pants.... which weren't even invented until over a thousand years later. and everything else in that documentary is just as dubious.
The same people that would say "Why does it matter? The character isn't real." Are the same people who would flip tables if a black character was replaced by a white actor. They are being dishonest.
Well.. isn't that just a hypothetical that you're treating as a fact? It's weird to just postulate something and then immediately use it as evidence to support your claim😂 who's dishonest? Lol Historical figures shouldn't be changed(Cleopatra). Characters whose race or culture is important to their character shouldn't be changed(Black Panther, Thor, etc). Outside of that, it really should be fine, but it should be treated as a case by case basis. If someone wanted to switch Indiana Jones I imagine people would have an issue with it, even if there's not an argument I can see outside of "he was white before". We ran into this same thing with Bond, and I personally was excited for Idris Elba to be Bond, and was of the mind the only real requirement to play Bond should be that the actor is from the UK(I think they had an aussi play him at one point though😂). With Disney, if they had switched Pocahontas, you've got a pretty justified backlash. I could see the same issue with Snow White, since her fairness is symbolic of her pure heart(that could probably lead to a whole other debate though lol). As far as Ariel goes, I don't think her switch really matters. Ariel was a pretty blank slate of a character and wasn't even human, so changing her from a white fish person to a black fish person shouldn't really matter to anyone that's being rational. The most iconic thing about Ariel, other than her being a fish, is her red hair, and they kept that. And btw, you don't need to create a hypothetical person for this argument, I'm a ginger and I wasn't offended that they swapped her race😂
@@stephengrigg5988who has this much time to write a triggered essay. It's really simple. Be historically accurate and stick to source material. And yeah, what the guy up top said is an assumption, it's a very accurate one too
@@stephengrigg5988you know all those Disney stories are from European folklore right? So yeah, not blank slates and to be manipulated for virtue signalling points by lazy Hollywood
@@Air7Rhythms cry some more about it and write two more emotional ass responses in a row *again* like the sensitive little girl you are. "It'S eUrOpEaN FoLKlOrE" while clutching your pearls like a Karen.
I literally had an argument about the Little Mermaid being Danish, and the guy told me that there are dark skinned Danish people. I replied back in 1843, there really weren't. And all the original artwork depicted her as white. The first illustration had her with long black hair. He still told me she was always dark skinned, even the statue. Then there was an argument with someone who said Hans Christian Andersen was gay, despite being married to a woman. All because he sent letters to friends in 1844, where he told a man "I love you much as any good gentleman can." In the 1800's, telling another man you loved him was normal. But now they're claiming his as a historical homosexual icon.
Now we will have to point out the same thing here. The movie is in Iceland. Cast Icelandic people. People will then pull the "but they had scottish accents and you never complained about inaccuracy there you bigof"
In Andersen's tale, there are several spots where she is clearly described as having white skin. And talking of "dark skinned Danish people" is a fallacy. Immigrating and getting a citizenship does not make one a Dane.
The "swaps" only EVER go in one direction, with both fictional and historical characters, so the motivation behind it is painfully obvious...This is why people are pissed, and justifiably so as the world would NEVER hear the end of it if the situation were reversed...
While I agree it mostly goes in one direction, not always. Avatar comes to mind, where they race swapped ang and water tribe people to white for some reason, and fire nation to Indian? it was bizarre and I've no idea what their thought process was. and I complain about this not for some woke racial justice, but because I actually really liked avatar the animation, and I would prefer actors to at least look a little like the characters they portray. Yes, I care even when they are fictional. Fans of a game or animation will always be slightly bothered by that I am sure.
@@kevingarcia4961 it is payback for when Hollywood only had about 100 actors that played every race... the proof is always early movie, and if you mention 80's films and the high diversity you get ignored.
Can I just say that How To Train Your Dragon did not need a remake or a live action version. That movie (the first one mostly, for me) was amazing and needed nothing added or changed
Thats because it is based on a Jungian psicology, about archetypes, and it is for revealing a sane way of developing from a trauma childhood to be a man and a supporting group of friends an a female partner.
@@Erowens98 Agreed. Animation was really the beautiful and awesome thing about a lot of these old films and remaking them live action, takes away all the beauty of them. I miss when new stories were made and new ideas were formed into shows and movies. Creativity seems to have left these companies long ago
The next one they’re going to ruin is the masterpiece that is “Gladiator”. A sequel is already being made. I’m sure half the Romans will be black or Asian and the main characters transgender women (aka men in drag)! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
This upset me so much about the casting choice for Astrid because I'm Scandinavian with Viking ancestry. I was extremely sad and mad about one of the Percy Jackson characters was race swapped. Thank you for sharing this
Oh yeah, I recall reading about new Percy Jackson adaptation. What is funny Rick Riordan fully supported race swap even claiming he didn't actually mentioned that Annabeth was white. Basically he told fans that they should like what they see otherwise they are just prejudiced racists. Even tho for most of the fans it wasn't a problem with actress, but the problem with how they see characters. There's also such a thing as fanfiction. People who care about the story to create their own fiction about it certainly have reasons to feel cheated. Black Hermione in Cursed Child was also an example of great idea. After 8 movies with Emma Watson playing the character we suddenly see not just a black woman, but also rather ugly one. Back to Riordan - he shared the communique from the studio where it said that actors should be cast only with consideration of their acting ability no matter their sex, physical abilities, and sexual orientation. In some way it make sense, but mostly it doesn't. Because, as said in this video, when you make a movie based on some existing story the description of the character matters!
@@d4slaimless you make great points actually, I don't hate the actress who is playing Annabeth. I'm more mad at Riordan and Hollywood because I despise race swapping. What's also funny is that Riordan *LITERALLY* said that he was going to have the actors look exactly from the books. He lied and gaslit us with a poor casting choice. I'm sorry if you do like the casting choice and the show itself. I don't like it at all. I straight up hate it...
@@Vixnarts nah, never watched the show. 2010 and 2013 movies wasn't a great success, but I rather liked some of the casting choices. But in the new show they supposed to have younger kids. It is closer to books (starts with Percy 12), but I don't think it is going to look great on screen. I had fun reading books, I think that was enough for me.
@@d4slaimless I'm not watching the show either. I do like the movies, which I'll 10,000% will get picked on for. But I enjoy the books way more and I never wanted to have an adaptation for the books. I don't need an adaptation, I know what the characters look like in my head.
@@Vixnarts well, I actually liked the 2nd movie, since by that time I've read the books and it started to make sense. In general 2nd movie received worse feedback than 1st though, but i think 22nd makes more sense. Still they combined and mixed books with each other and there was so much potential for some epic scenes. " I know what the characters look like in my head." - this I can 100% agree with. That's why if you read the books you rarely agree with movies. But sometimes in very few cases adaptation just hits the spot. For example, The Nero Wolfe Mysteries with Maury Chaykin as Nero Wolfe and Timothy Hutton as Archie Goodwin is the best adaptation of Rex Stout characters and I loved it. But more often than not you favorite characters get adapted for "modern audiences" and what _you_ get is unwatchable mess.
The thing is, Hollywood loves to tell us “the character isn’t real, so why does it matter?” but they KNOW it matters because that is precisely why they do it but they just want us to roll over and accept it
There is an element of narcissistic abuse (ie "baiting") in this, and indeed there is an unfortunate intersection of social justice and narcissism that many people are not comfortable recognizing or talking about.
What annoys me the most is that everyone says “no one cares how a character looks you have issues if you do”. But if we made a white Tiana from princess and the frog they’d shit themselves. So, isn’t that racism? Why would racism only work one way?
It really bothers me when they get the high moral road asking us "why do you care about race swapping? It's a fictional character". Then, how you said, why to make the change then? Why to go as far as to change the race of a REAL HISTORICAL CHARACTER the way that Netflix did if it's not important? It will always be a mistery for me.
It makes complete sense when it is supposed to be historically accurate. But if it’s fictional, a lot of popular source material IS predominantly white as being black was obviously more of an issue back then. What’s wrong with changing that? A lot of white people just see it as an attack on their race by calling it ‘white erasure’ like they’ve just completely forgotten history. Its not as simple as ‘reverse the roles’ if the roles weren’t equal to begin with.
Before i watch this, I'm praying that they didnt actually change Astrid's race considering the film is set in a viking settlement, and as a Swedish and Danish girl, it may just make my heart break. Edit: kill me now
U havnt seen fate series have u . They swapped races and genders of everyone Alexander the Great is an african ginger Nero is a blonde girl King arthur is a blonde girl pretending to be boi . And yeah she's underage Sir lancelot is an african I can go on and on
Don't watch it. Don't even hate-watch it. You justify this type of behaviour by doing so. As when it comes to shows and movie, any popularity is good popularity and they will take your hate-watches as a sign that people like what they're doing. Just ignore any race/gender swapped content and let it fade into nothingness and be watched by no one.
Imagine how badly you've failed as a parent if your kid thinks they can only identify with a character because they are brown skinned, and not because of the merits and virtues displayed by the character through their actions.
Can you imagine a Disney live-action version of Princess Mononoke featuring Lizzo as the black blob, or of Spirited Away featuring Cardi B as Chihiro ("sheeeeit, where my parents at?")
How is that parents fault?! A lot of Indian got stereotyped as Apu because he was only Indian character on tv in US. How is that on Indian parents?! Lazy Hollywood writing shouldn't be used as an argument against diversity. For minorities it's actually pretty significant. In a society where people don't care about race, this video in itself would be redundant because race swapping wouldn't matter if the concept of race is insignificant.
I'm a pale person who has been bullied for my paleness all my life (called ghostly, vampire, cracker, constantly asked if sick, told to tan etc etc). Not just strangers but people I'm close to too. I struggle finding make up that matches my shade and you can forget entirely about plasters, but I rarely see people mention that pale people experience those problems too. On top of that if I ever say something is "my culture" I get scoffed at.... like yeah... incredibly I have one of those.... my Scones, Shortbread, Sunday Roasts, Monarchy, King Arthur and Robin Hood plus so much more are all a part of that. It's NOT okay to shit on anybodies culture or colour of their skin.... unless they're "white" of course...
I seem to have a similar ethnic background to you (mostly Scottish, some Irish, maybe Welsh) and I'm certainly white, but I've never considered myself to be particularly pale. However, I have been criticized on multiple occasions (sort of in fun, but still ...) for not being tanned enough, as if that was some kind of shortcoming that should be mocked.
I'm a pasty ginger with green eyes and freckles all over my arms. and I have gotten all of this, too. Even had a friend on a beach trip suggest I should wear a Tshirt 'in case a passing flight mistakes you for a landing light' 🙄. That was also one of the reasons The Little Mermaid was my favorite movie as a kid, but I guess we don't matter. P.S. I also have a terrible time finding makeup unless I want to look like I have a bad spray tan.
@@hollie28xx the amount of Gingers that Hollywood has automatically race swapped out to Black is crazy! It's like Hollywood absolutely hate gingers. I actually saw a short film where they rounded up a bunch of ginger men on a bus drove them out into the middle of nowhere in a field and then machine-gunned them down while they ran away! I know the short film was done kind of in jest, but damn that seemed pretty prophetic! And up until that point in my life I had never seen a literal busload of ginger men before.
We can follow along with the woke arguments here, how do you suppose lefties would react to a white female character named Lakeesha or Shaniqua? Or a white male calling himself Muhammad?
I have not been to a movie in 10+ years... "Hollywood" is a joke and i refuse to give them my money... honestly I don't even know who actresses and actors are anymore and that makes me happy.
I haven't been going to the cinema since I felt these nonsense started. In fact, I am thinking about canceling my Netflix subscription soon. I'm tired of this nonsense, I just want to watch good and memorable movies.
I've been making this point for years: "white" is not an ethnicity, it is a color. In the same way we wouldn't assume all African societies are blandly and generically similar, we should not do this for cultures with light skin colors. Irish, Scottish, British, French, German, etc. all have the same generally lighter skin colors (with some exceptions), but that doesn't mean they are all the same culturally nor ethnically. I'm glad more people are beginning to raise this point more often.
“white” is laymen for western caucasoid. It’s a sub-species of homo-sapien. Or what’s known as in common tongue - “race”. White peoples are objectively, directly and deeply related. They dont just happen to share a “generally light skin tone”. Their DNA is from the same few tribes of people from modern Ukraine and western Russia. The Indo-Europeans. Greeks, Italians, Germans, Danes, Anglos, Spaniards, Swedes, Portuguese, Russians, Poles, Serbians Etc… are directly descended from the same exact peoples who expanded throughout all of Europe (and into the ME, India, central Asia etc…). To suggest we are not directly related and just happen to share a “generally lighter skin tone” like how whites and East Asians share light skin, is not accurate nor true. Ironically it’s ethnicity that is fluid and ever changing. Not race. Much of the Countries today whom you identify as an ethnicity, didn’t exist just 180 years ago. For example “German” as an ethnicity, is new. There was no Germany until the late 19th century when Prussia United the German states against France and then formed the German empire (which didn’t even include all Germanic lands, notably Austria.). Before this there was Bavaria, Westfalia, Saxony, Bohemia, Worms, Metz etc… and you wouldn’t claim your ethnicity as “German”, but rather Bavarian or Saxonian, franconian, Swabian etc… just as today most Austrians identify as Austrian, not German. Despite being a Germanic people who speak German. I support ethnicities having their own lands, don’t get me wrong. They naturally arise.. But the true trait that matters is RACE. Being white. People seeking to erase that and replace it with this weird scattered idea of tiny fractured disconnected “ethnicities” and who then go on to pretend that they aren’t related at all and just happen to share “generally lighter skin tones”, should be looked at with suspicion. as often their intentions are to shatter white peoples collective interests and collective power, so we can be more easily exterminated and replaced. Literal divide and conquer. I.e “there’s no such thing as “Real Germans”. White is just a color! A German is anyone living in Germany! There are black Germans too! Black Germans ruled when Rome existed!!” It’s utter rubbish. To be German is to be white. That’s the one trait all real Germans share.
@@nikolasdemoulin8093 I agree with points but then where would a mixed person come from, like can they be consider a real French or only half real French ( using France as an example)
You do understand you're talking about people that are so simple-minded they've lumped the human population into white and biboc. Literally white and none white and have been using a word flopped version of a certain phrase about people and colors.
Of course they aren't identical, but it's also a mistake not to recognize that white/Caucasian people are a distinct population cluster and are part of the same cultural sphere. Think about the country of Italy. You could point out regional differences, or even differences from one town to the next. They aren't all identical, but no one would deny that there is an Italian identity. It's sad that you don't seem to realize that the people who most strongly want there to not be a white identity are the very people doing the race swapping in our entertainment. In fact, they have openly said that "there's no such thing as a positive white identity".
The thing that frustrates me the most is that Hollywood is silently saying that making an original non-white character might not make enough money to be worth the investment, so they instead take a well know white character and just swap the race, then lash out and call everyone racist when people push back on the decision.
IN 1969 when Midnight Cowboy became my favorite movie, I didn't relate to a single character in the film. And yet it all fascinated me. Art invites you to get out of yourself. A valuable thing.
@@burleybater It's kinda the whole point, isn't it? To see things in this different perspective. Not just from a pigment pov, but everything. The color pallette, angle of shots. The story. Eh, we live in a truly drab age.
Actual Scandinavian here. I was born here, lived my entire life here and when i do a DNA test it says i am 100% Scandinavian and im far from alone with this. I dont say it in the sense that i would be better than anyone else because of it, i say it so that people could get a perspective of just how homogeneous our history is. Making diverse adaptations of our history would only look stupid. It's like in that interview with Mads Mikkelsen when he got asked about the lack of diversity in his new movie and he started laughing and said, "well it takes place in 1500s Denmark" and then proceeds to give him the "are you serious" - look. With all this said, i don't care about what they do in Hollywood. If they want to use Will Smith as Gustav Adolf i would probably just laugh at how ludacris it all is. The only problem i have with this swapping is the fact that there are so many uneducated people in the world that believes that it is accurate. I've already had to defend my own heritage against idiots online more times than i thought possible. Ever since they race and gender swapped Jarl Haakon, i've had several Americans telling me Vikings were actually black. Like, come on, we're not mythical creatures, we're still here and we didn't all magically turn white. I would ofc rather watch historical adaptations that were actually bound to history instead of it being used as a statement by some asshole director i dont know. But as a source of comedy, i do enjoy these brainfarts Americans make.
As a Scandinavian American, we don't enjoy these "comedies." It starts small, with comedies or children's books or movies. Then, people start actually believing and promoting and making absurd claims about history. Then, it's taught in school, including universities. Then, history is completely revised and your identity is stolen or destroyed. Regarding your comment about "several Americans telling me Vikings were actually black," that absurd claim is already being taught at some of our universities and is being spread through other official (non-fringe) academic forums as well. And, these absurd claims are used for political purposes, for example, to convince Scandinavians that we've always been "diverse" and, therefore, go ahead and allow unrestricted mass immigration.
@@Leif208 That's just it why it's comedy. This isn't taught in Scandinavia and what happens in the US doesn't really affect us now does it. Americans may think what they want about us and we will still know our own history.
@@loris-bismar I wish you were right about what happens in the US doesn't affect you, but didn't the George Floyd riots affect Scandinavia too? I know people protested in Iceland and the UK as well. All these immigrants (and some native born) used an extremely insignificant event (death of an unknown criminal) in the US as a catalyst to vent their anger on European Americans and European Europeans, even tearing down monuments of native historical British figures in the UK. I'm not sure to what degree those protests affected Scandinavia, but the fact that they occurred at all there is disturbing. I hope you can maintain Scandinavian history and identity. Scandinavia continuing to maintain it's identity is one thing that strengthens me as a Scandinavian American. We're a true minority (1% of America and approximately 4 mil. ethnic Danes, 4 mil. ethnic Norwegians and about 7 mil. ethnic Swedes). It wouldn't take much for us to disappear (btw, Scandinavian Americans will probably cease to exist as a distinct ethnic group in probably the next 2 or 3 generations).
@@Leif208 but that isn't really the same thing now is it. Sure some things that happen in America will affect us as well but not when it comes to our own history and country. All of our countries are filled with our history and Hollywood pop culture can't erase thousands of years of history, how much they tried. They don't have any power over us. It's not like Hollywood is the only source of entertainment we got over here. We make our own movies as well and I'll promise to be furious if we start changing shit about ourselves too. But as long as we natives still live in our native land, our history is still our own. It's different for you though, since you live in a country of ignorant dumdum's who don't know anything about anywhere outside your own borders. The old world will keep knowing its history, even if the new world keeps messing it up.
@@Leif208 sorry to hear about you guys though. I sincerely hope you can keep your ethnicity strong but I guess it's normal in a multicultural country that it all gets intertwined with each other sooner or later.
I honestly want to cry. 😢 Astrid is my favorite character. Why they do her dirty?! 😩 And the fact they want to make her an even more independent woman is scary to me. She’s already is, but she still wants a needs hiccup with her. THEY DONT NEED TO CHANGE HER! 😞
Astrid is already a stretch in realism of a female independent strong character as she is. It is about as much as you can go without it being ridiculous, and that makes her not good enough for feminists, so they need a remake. Feminism, again.
When I did research for my cosplay of Astrid, I once stumbled on a blog of someone who cosplayed her and she went on to say that she was at first skeptical about Astrid because of what you mention in your comment of what they now want to make her. And once the blogger saw the animated movie, she saw that it wasn't so - like Astrid was so much more than "OMG strong female!!1!" I honestly hope the fans of the franchise make their voices heard. Loud and clear. Push back is the only way to try to change their mind. I mean, look what push back did for Sonic.
Everytime I see a "race swap" or "gender swap" I can't help but wonder what story we MISSED by not creating a NEW character, setting and plot. Imagine instead of the movie "Blade" Hollywood had said "nah... just make Dracula black and tell the same story again."
Right? These practices of race swapping, inclusivity/diversity for the sake of inclusivity/diversity and wokeness in general are ironically robbing us all of creativity, new stories that actually depict and represent a variety of cultures and experiences. Shoehorning older, existing stories into a new mould is lazy and devalues the material and shows disdain for the audience.
Exactly. and all you need to do is throw in "Inspired by" in the credits. and you can have your cake and eat it too. just stop trying to rewrite history for your little election.
@@DABranche 100% Have your fanfiction or spin-off into an extended universe of something. Go nuts! Just don't do so and try to call it a remake or reboot. That's straight up BS, be it regarding fiction or history.
Born in 1987. The very first movie my mom and dad took me to in a movie theater, was Aladdin. Always remembered that experience as a highlight of my childhood. You know what NEVER came up before, during or years after I saw that movie? Anything political. Not once did I care about the color of anyone’s skin. The country that the story took place in. The amount of female or minority characters in the story. Whether or not the voice actor was of the same race as the way the character was portrayed. NONE OF THAT. Today, much of Woke Disney and Hollywood on the big screen and small screen feels COMPELLED to shove every bit of that down your throat at every single opportunity with ZERO subtlety or nuance. It’s agenda first, story second. “The Message” will always take precedent now and stories are always going to suffer under that foundation. I TRULY feel sad for the kids of today that will one day have to look back at this era as their childhood.
I think most of the children these days have absolutely no interest in anything produced by Disney or Marvel. These movies are aimed at Millenial adults.
I think that as a civilisation, we can agree that we no longer wish for "live action" remakes of animation films. We tried it, we understood why the animation version was better and why it was an animation in the first place.
A few years ago here in the UK, the BBC released a series of educational history videos for children. Their depiction of a "typical Roman British household" included a black centurion stationed on Hadrian's wall. They also included black people in their depiction of the Picts, an ancient tribe from modern day Scotland. This was part of their web-based education platform Bitesize, which is often used in schools. And I just got my third letter through the door from the BBC threatening me with a fine of £1000 if I don't pay their "TV License"- that's where us Brits are forced to pay £159 a year to watch TV. We have to pay to be lied to. This race-swapping shit has been happening for a while now- and not just with fiction.
Just go No-Licence. That's what we did. Only ever used the TV for playing on consoles. (We don't even have a TV now, it died and can't afford to replace it.)
To be fair, we do have an account of an Ethiopian legionnaire at Hadrian's wall. There was also an Ethiopian slave who enlisted in the army, earned his freedom, and became a senator. However, this was far from the norm. The Romans had barely any presence in sub Saharan Africa to recruit from in the first place. As for the Picts, even the Scots today are overwhelmingly ethnically homogeneous
@@filmandfirearms The Ethiopian recruits were just that, recruits; who were not Romans, Picts, or anything other than Ethiopian. They were not centurions, they did not leave a lasting footprint on the country, and they did not take White wives and spread the next generation of mulatto children, which that Bitesize video did portray.
If you think race swapping Cleopatra was big, you should check out how they race swapped Anne Boleyn in the series of the same name. Absolutely maddening.
Honestly the race swapping in Norse mythology always feels the most insulting, cause there just isn't any argument for it other then political like making a movie about Africa and race swapping the characters to be white.
The same applies to Slavic and/or European mythology like Witcher. Especially black elves seemed ridiculous and funny because there is established group of dark skinned elves in mythology and these are called Drow. And they were considered evil and brutal 😅
As a female who’s half egyptian, it didn’t sit well at all with me when I saw it was a black woman playing Cleopatra. I may not exactly be from that time period, but it’s still half of my blood line. I even still hold a grudge from when they had Elizabeth Taylor play her from decades ago, and now they go the opposite direction picking someone? With a variety of people who got into acting, were they really short on options??? The casting director must have thought “That’s all there is? I guess we have to pick her since we have no other options that’s good enough. It can’t get any worse”
To be fair, Elizabeth Taylor was very difficult on that film, but her attitude fit the part. Queening it over everyone and everything was very costly. Entitled Liz.
yea, but kids born around 2010 and forward will think there were. and when/if they read an actual history book that describes the vikings as white as snow, they will get very confused and maybe even think that the author of the hostory book was a racist, rather than learning how it really was
Ffs... the characters in HTTYD are VIKINGS. The vikings were a mixture of Scandinavian, Gael and Picts (Celts). They WERE. NOT. BLACK. OR. BROWN. They were very, VERY fair skinned. Enough is e-fcking-nough.
God, the fact they are trying to destroy my favorite childhood movie by race swapping Astrid is obnoxious. And I would like to add that Berk is canonically very, very cold. Fair skin would be the norm.
Nico Parker is European, and 75% white. She is not a black woman, she is a white woman. She's pretty damn pale. She's got more claim to play a Viking character, than your American ass has at complaining about it.
Ikr, the animated movie actually LOOKS scandinavian, but of course that's going to be ruined for the worse because of representayshON. God....another movie i'm already not gonna pay a cent in relation to.
The people who ask "who cares?" are the people who really don't care about the story to begin with. Why do they specifically care about me defending the stories I once loved? Maybe they should take their own advice and not care about my opinion like some crazy ex-girlfriend.
Just saw an incredibly rich Twitter reply section where an artist drew a picture of a scene from the new live action remake of Little Mermaid, but in the old cartoon style with a White Ariel, and all the "LMAO, Why do you care so much about the race of fictional characters" types were absolutely losing their minds over it.
A lot of them were saying stuff like "Why would you deliberately change her race from the 'original' character?" which is hilarious, because it's a perfect argument against the existence of the live action remake.
@@stevenbrule5285 It's hilarious that these same people absolutely melted over an actual Hawaiian girl being casted as Nani. But oh no! She looked too "white", so that apparently is a cardinal sin from the church of Woke. I. Personally. Am sick of this crap.
I saw that. Her reasoning was she just thought the scene looked cool and wanted to see it in the style of the princess she grew up with. Absolutely nothing racial or hateful, but of course it became that.
Remember when someone posted a fake poster of Ryan Gosling as Black Panther? Some idiots called for whoever did it to be sent to prison or murdered … over a fictional character, no less?
As a person of Danish decent, paternal Grandfather actually from Danmark, Thank you for mentioning the Mermaid Statue in Copenhagen! My Grandfather taught me about that statue, I even had a brass plate of it. It's vastly important to the Danes.
As a person of Danish decent also (my mother is Danish) I couldn't agree with you more. I know Ariel is fictional but her character has very important cultural roots and that should be respected and represented correctly.
@@tolowokere I never thought it was a great idea. It’s just a way to make money all over again from exactly the same story, which is lazy and unimaginative. And they’re never as good as the animated originals.
Yep, they could’ve actually had a lot of success. If they did what I did with maleficent, where they did a complete reimagining of the story of sleeping beauty and threw in a couple of Easter eggs from the animated show. So go back to the original source material do something completely new and then people aren’t going to be upset if you change something because you’re changing just bought everything. Apparently they went back towards the original meth with Mulan, even though they apparently did the equivalent of having Robin Hood prancing around the Roman forum, when it came to eras of Chinese history.
Disney+ race swapped Annabeth from the Percy Jackson series. She was blonde, blue eyed girl and now she’s a black girl. Netflix race swapped Agatha who was a pale girl with dark hair to a black girl in The School For Good And Evil. I swear it’s everywhere
What do you expect from "woke" racists and sexists trying to tell us, we are the ones "racist" and "sexist". Yet the first thing they notice is your skincolor and/or gender and sperg out, if you try to debunk them with logic. Fuck representation, man. Those woke people fetishized and weaponized race, sexuality and gender and call it "oppression", even if you give a fuck about it and treat everyone equal. They want to be turbo special, that's all.
Read about what Narcissists do re: Disrespecting Boundaries, Self-absorption, Gaslighting, Re-writing Reality etc. And you'll understand why the culture with seemingly institutionalized 'Narcissist Personality Disorder' do this. Then read about 'Flying Monkeys' (the Narc's Abuse Enablers), and white Left-wingers supporting their fellow Narcissist will make sense too.
You seem to have assumed that "representation is important" means "representation is the only thing that matters about a person". Which no. I know you don't think things are that simple.
I hate that "white people" are generalised as American. I am American, but my family lineage is Norwegian. It sucks that movies cant have caucasians anymore because "white man bad." Also, there is a huge seperation between African "black people" and American "black people" nowadays, and a lot of the former dislike the latter, at least from my travels. My point is, like Sydney said, culture matters as much, if not more, than color of skin and to just ignore a culture because it "white" is incredibly irritating.
As a slavic-american, agree 100%. I feel like we don't even get mentioned. Nobody cares how 1/3rd of the country my great grandparents came from emigrated, mostly to here, and within 1-3 generations lost their language an culture in the push to become "more American".
Watching American media, i really can't associate with the classic "white male" portrait. My culture, way of moving in society and just overall attitude is just so different.
I'm mixed White German mom black southern American dad. Whenever black people found out my mom is European they would say so she isn't white she is European. I've realized alot of poc see white as being white america. Not European
🤔 I guess no one like it when the shoes is on the other side. Don’t judge a book by it’s cover. Deep down we all know there are different types of race ( distinctive futures, colours) among whites and blacks but our ignorance makes us racist towards each other. So be it everyone just categorise or put people in box. Your 👉 black; your 👉 white. Ignorant humanity 🤯
I love what you say about respecting cultures. When they tell me it's okay to portray vikings, Cleopatra and a Danish mermaid as black, I tell them it'd be okay to have a story about the Zulu empire with half the zulu cast played by white actors. That's when their diversity argument falls apart.
@@Maxwell-mb7xn So make a movie about "black culture". What even is your point? Come up with some new ideas. Tell Hollywoke to actually have some brains and make new good movies about black people instead of portraying them in gangs. I see you're already getting "offended" by Monica's post which was exactly her point.
@@Maxwell-mb7xn i'm not quire sure if you realize how nonsensical your answer is. Create your own content instead of stealing from other cultures. Cause that's true cultural appropiation.
As someone who struggles with having a disability; httyd spoke so loud to me because i could see myself in both characters. One of the many struggles i have to live with is being 29 and still not able to drive. And as an extrovert, its crushing not having that luxury of freedom and instead being dependent on someone just to be able to go do something. I was a classic disney fan and it breaks my heart how far they have fallen and to see now that one of the most powerful and inspiring movies in my life is now falling into this "woke" culture is truly heartbreaking. Whats next? Are they going to make toothless and hiccup not disabled now ontop of that?
Looking back 6 - 7 years ago it was really hard for me not to blow all my money at the cinema. Now I barely ever go to the movies anymore. Thank you woke Hollywood for teaching me how to save money
I don't know that it should be stopped completely, they do entertain us. Their division needs to stop though, catering to the few will weed out them out in time.
@@disgruntledegghead6923 I cant remember the last time i saw something out of Hollywood that entertained me... wait .... uhm... i think it was Resident E vil 2. lol
To be replaced by...what? Bollywood? Pittsburgh? Regional Theater? You wanna watch a movie? Someone's gotta pay to make it. There's always gonna be money behind it. You wanna movie culture where the makers are begging local dentists for a few bucks? It can't work.
"It's just a fictional character, why do you care?" "It's just a folktale, why do you care?" "It's just a documentary, why do you care?" These three examples are why I care. Give them your hand and they'll take your entire torso with it.
5:40 “Doing the research…” It just makes me realize her “research” was likely limited to “Egypt is in Africa, so therefore, Egyptians must be black.” No racism there. More importantly, as a nation with major ports on the Mediterranean and Black Seas, as well as having a land bridge into Asia, it was a very cosmopolitan place where many people from other nations regularly mixed in with the population.
You know who really, REALLY cares about race flipping existing characters? The people who decide to race flip them, THEY care sooooo much because THEY decide to make the effort to do it in the first place.
@@kurtismurton1331 Remember Scamber Turd and what mental health experts tell you about pathological narcissists. It's no use trying to reason with them. The only way for a narcissist to start empathizing with others, is to break them utterly and completely. They need their world and everything they value to be ripped from them. See Scamber Turd? Any normal person would have been broken by now after everything she's gone through. But not her, the narcissist in her still lives, still plots and keeps her antics, because her world has still not been utterly and completely destroyed. That mental illness that controls the host must be completely broken. But when they reach that breaking point, the majority of the hosts prefer to unlive themselves rather than letting go of the narcissist. To face how evil they are, all the harm they've done to others, most of them can't face it. But those who do, are the very few who have a chance at becoming normal human beings. Consider all these people that make the powers-that-shouldn't-be as pathological narcissists, exponentially worse than Scamber Turd.
It's also just cultural erasure on all sides. If it's a story from a white or European culture, it most likely won't be authentic to the time period/setting because that isn't diverse enough. And minority cultures lose out because instead of promoting a story from their own culture, their most mainstream forms of representation are just anglican culture with a different skin color. And the insulting thing about Disney in this case in particular is with movies like Encanto and Luca, it's clear that they can in fact make movies at least somewhat accurately portraying a specific culture (or at least so I have heard, I am neither Italian nor Columbian). Is Disney that starved for publicity that they need to stir up controversy and actively destroy the cultural integrity of these movies?
@@gobygal nonwhite people do lose out by not having their own stories told, but that’s not the point of what they’re doing. I suppose you could call that collateral damage to some extent, but not really. This is about taking what’s important to our people and saying “this isn’t yours anymore.” They’ll continue until we stop them
@@CoolPapaJMagik no the movies ,bear,shopping it has one thing in common,what is it ? Money dont spend your money on trash . They wil bring down there own business. We don't have to do anything ,except not spend any of our money on there trash.
Here is one of the greatest examples of not inserting your own message in an adaptation. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Peter Jackson stated they only inserted Tolkien's themes and messages. The result: the greatest trilogy ever made, in my opinion. 17 Oscars, and 20 years later this trilogy has stood the test of time and will continue to do so.
My husband is a huge Tolkien fan and he said Jackson did a damn good job. Of couse he had to do things to portray themes and the flow for a movie setting. But yes, it's a masterpiece. The studio ruined Hobbit for a money grab.
@@Unfiltered494 honestly the creators of rings of power have to be the worst writers , I swear if they try bringing back or making a new lotr movie they better be the writers of the three lotr movies
Honestly, race/gender swapping is just really weird 99% of the time and full of double standards. Nick fury and heimdall are my sole exceptions, Samuel jackson and the other dude I don't know are the goats.
Race-swapping white characters to minority (since, if it goes the other way, it's an international incident) demonstrates, to minorities, a lack of faith in original minority characters (which is, in truth a lack of faith in their own writing ability).
Ppl who bitch about ppl caring about race swapping clearly don't understand the importance of culture and it being erased. They r erasing white culture and their the same ppl who 10 years ago said who cares if someone identifies as a dif sex. And now they target our kids.
An article I read also said Astrid was just a stereotypical love interest role! That is so wrong. She was the leader of the dragon trainers. He just happened to like her. She was smart, strong, but still had faults. It's sad that a real good girl character (girl boss *eye roll) is immediately not good enough because she was white.
Ooohh god. How the hell is she "just a love interest"?! One could write essays about her representing the ideal viking teenager, with all the good and bad qualities that came with it in the film, and what her change of heart signified.
pers i wil always just watch the og movies and series i wil never watch a real life adaptarion but i can predict 1 thing hickup wil prob be made another peter pan useless. and that for me is already the nail in the coffin
@@rocksteady6945 She's 1/4 Zimbabwean, and based on that thumbnail photo she most certainly considers that portion to be a core part of her identity, too.
When nowadays directors use black-washing for their shows, they’re not saying to the poor young new actor ‘expect a lot of love, my friend. The fans are gonna love you coz you portrayed the character perfectly.’ They’re actually saying to them ‘expect a lot of negativity, mate. The fans are gonna hate you but just call them racists if they do.’
The last movie I saw in theater was Dune and the last one before that was Blade Runner 2. I don't even remember what the last one before that one was. Unfortunately it doesn't really do anything to boycott Hollywood. We live in the post profit era now, where companies only care about getting investment money and no longer need to make a profit or care about their customers. They can make billion Dollar shows and movies that totally tank and all is well as long as they can convince a hand full of 60 year old fund managers, who wouldn't even watch their stuff if it were good, that they are successful and that their stocks should be bought. All they need to do is to bribe a hand full of "journalists", manipulate the Rotten Tomato score, buy their own box office tickets and pretend all the negative actual independent reviews and comments on RUclips are just Nazis review-bombing them. The clueless, stupid investment money keeps flowing and the actual audience can just go and die in a ditch for all they care.
"the character isn't real, why does it matter so much to you" is just basic every day gaslighting. They do something drastic, because it matters to them for their weird little agenda, then we call them out and say stop pushing your weird little agenda, and that's when they start gaslighting.
AFAICT "the character isn't real, why does it matter so much to you" slightly misrepresents the idea. The idea is more "the character isn't real, so it's okay if creators make alternative versions of it". Disney's live-action The Little Mermaid is a reimagining. An adaptation. The animated version is itself a reimagining of the original folktale in which the little mermaid sort-of-dies at the end. And the new live action film is a reimagining of the animated film, set in the Caribbean.
They haven't broken into your house and destroyed your copy of the animated film. You can enjoy that as many times as you like. This is a different version of the story... @@verindictus3639 ...which is why I'd say it's *not* a 'change'. This is a slightly different character in a slightly different version of the setting. Think of it as an alternate universe, if you like. Just like MCU Thor is a dopey goofball very unlike comics Thor, because that's a different spin of the character in a different spin of the setting.
@@ozmanoshe I think I was clear: Reimagining is reasonable and often beneficial in adapting a *fictional* story. History isn't fictional, and I disagree with Netflix's casting of Cleopatra. Cleopatra was of primarily Greek ancestry.
As a writer myself, I can’t imagine having my intellectual property be taken and twisted to suit someone else’s narrative of my work just because they want to push some agenda to make everyone feel included somehow. Fanfiction exists, but people aren’t making money off of that so are allowed to do what they want, but big Hollywood shouldn’t just ignore descriptions of characters so they can pander to someone else.
And this is one of the best concerns I've seen so far on this topic. If a writer creates a story , from no matter how far back, how is it ok to have his/her material taken and twisted so it no longer represents the original source material? Being a writer, artist, musician and having your material or vision essentially stolen and re-worked has to be disheartening. Even if that creator no longer exists....i'm sure his/her legacies are not thrilled.
Well, Crow, there are seldom times when a writer's story survives, wholecloth, into release. Stephen King has become sanguine about it and had decided once he lets it go, it's not his anymore. The Disney version of these old fairy tales we all so love did their own twisting of the stories (then immediately blocked anyone from using the stories they stole themselves). The D&I agenda is odious, I agree. What if one of your stories was twisted into an agenda you didn't intend, but that you found acceptable? Or even way better than your idea? Is that cool? What if it was twisted into something you initially hated, but agreed with upon reflection? Where should that line be? I don't have an answer, but wish I did.
Hey Hollywood give me money to make a documentary about Cleopatra, "A long Time ago in a Galaxy Far far away, women used the force to rule with unparalleled power, they were Jedi Warriors, and did Kung Fu, ..... I don't care what your teacher, books and historians say, my grandmother told me Cleopatra was Chinese.... starring Michelle Yeoh as Cleopatra and her trusty lightsabre.
It would really boil my blood if they change Merida (Brave), a Scottish princess to a black character. Being of the Scottish background, culture MATTERS!!
I didn't watch Cleopatra, as she was completely Greek, she was not Black at all her ancestors were Greek back to the foundation of the dynasty. This effects people with a limited knowledge of history.
A PERFECT example of what you speak of is the musical play "Hamilton". My daughter, who was 9 years old at the time, said "I didnt know the founding fathers of this country weren't vvhite". I was like "what?!". Then I looked into it and found they replaced a bunch of the vvhite founding fathers with non-vvhite actors. Honestly the most annoying thing about it is we constantly hear about "cultural appropriation" from their side, yet nobody says anything about this? Furthermore, take Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Reggie Jackson, Mike Tyson, etc and have them portrayed by a vvhite man, and I guarantee you there would be an uproar you could hear from outerspace.
My daughter asked me why Tiny Tim in A Christmas Carol was black when his parents were white. Granted it was a theatre production in London but she didn’t get it. She thought it was stupid. People do believe things they see.
A historical person, who they are allowed to race-swap but they definitely won't do, is Adolf Hitler. I'd be happy if he would be portrayed by a black man.
I got dragged on FB for a bit because a friend of mine (white blonde hair blue eyed woman) asked if it would be offensive to cosplay as a character from Hamilton, and i jokingly accused her of cultural appropriation. Whew lad.
You are the minority.. all races on earth have dark brown eyes and black hair only you devils have different eye and hair colours within the same race and even within the same family..
im black n' i totally agree. I never got the ''i wanna see someone like me on screen'' notion. I watched a variety of shoes growing up from Fresh Prince to stuff like Friends. I never looked at these actors for their race. I looked at 'em bc I was entertained enough to keep watching. I never Automatically gravitated towards a character just bc they're black. Hell, I loved OG Ariel's design [little mermaid] bc I love red hair on women. So I wasn't too happy w/ modern media race swapping her, Mary Jane [spiderman], April O' Neil [ninja turtles], and live action Starfire [teen titans.] I'm all for new characters and stories, but nobody wants to make a good show/movie, only diversity pieces. PS; Don't hold back. i love how you tell it like it is and call out stupidity.
The worst part is, if they changed the name of the mermaids (all of them), tweaked the buildings of the humans some, no one would have cared that the main mermaid was a different race. It could have been the same story, a whole new mermaid to love, and a whole new human for her to love. A sort of parallel story, but they had to rewrite the original. That is what get people upset.
Exactly. People scream "racism!" any time a white person dares to want a character to stay white, but most of us have zero issues with original characters who are people of color.
@@englishatheart In art as well. I see a lot of people drawing characters with a different shade and be praised, but when the opposite happens (i.e., turning the character white-ish), immediately everyone explodes. It's sad to see that this happens a lot these days.
@@MrsTavington USA census figures are about 12-13% of the American population is blakc. In Great Britain it's about 3%. Did you not know this until now??
I agree with you! The race-swappers of today are just racists. I as a male middle age Swedish "white" person have no problem to love and relate to characters in normal or fictional stories even if that person is a Naabi, elf, hobbit, dwarf, African American, native American, African (north south our central), Asian, Middle East or from any place in a fictional or real environment. And no matter if it is a female or male or anything ... The modern kind of race swap today is like making a new film about Shaka Zulu and have an asian person play him. ... Justifying it with saying that older times movies did race swapping does not make it right. It was wrong at that time ... and it is wrong and rasist today.
Exactly. And honestly it would be really cool if more folk tales/fairy tales from different countries were represented in animated or live action movies. I'm currently listening to a series of detective stories set surrounding a female detective in Botswana. It's so much fun to learn a little bit about the history and culture, and is in no way an impediment to connecting to the main character.
Thank you sooooo much for saying white people aren’t a Monolith!!!! I’m black and I get mad when people act as if white people have no culture or variance. It’s a rude ass thing to say or believe. In this huge world? What kind of thing is that to think?
A racist one. And as a black person, let me tell you... Black people (specifically in America and spreading more and more into other western countries...) are racist as shit.
@@Black-ICE92 lol yea that’s pretty common in races unless you’re surrounded by a lot of people of that race. No chance I could tell the difference between a Ugandan and a Nigerian lol.
I'm a straight black man, a writer, and a geek. I'm all for creating new, alternative visions or versions of characters. I am *not* for telling historically inaccurate stories or race/gender swapping merely for the sake of "wokeness". If you truly want to "represent", people, represent them *correctly.* That's where authenticity and _integrity_ lay.
I have to disagree, I think anyone should be able to play any character as long as they are representing them in a sincere way, not parody. For centuries we've seen historical figures portrayed in paintings a certain way that represent that culture. Same exist now, we live in a very diverse culture so of course our media would reflect that.
WHY???? Honestly? Just WHY? "new alternative versions of characters" imho is code for "I'm empty and can't create anything original so I stoop to taking away from what other creators did". Original characters'... characters, AND identities, ARE the appeal. Super Mario's appeal is that he's Italian, James Bond's appeal is that he's British, Mulan's appeal is that she's Chinese and Dom Toretto's appeal is that he's a black american, with all the cultural diverse characteristics that brings into play. Through these characters people all over the world from all different cultures learned to like and appreciate and love cultural characterstics of these people. You can creatively draw Super Mario as a Japanese woman, re-imagine James Bond as a trans male native to Honolulu, make Mulan a 67 years old Norweigan man and envision Dom Toretto as a French woman, but ALL you are doing is destroying the original characters and REDUCING the diversity we ALREADY have. If you want more diversity, don't take Harry Potter and make him a Japanese girl to show off Japanese schooling system; create a new Japanese girl character and an original story. That way we will have MORE. Using Harry Potter for this, is making us have LESS. And making it from predominantly American point of view - is just making everything the SAME. I don't know if I'm making myself clear: diversity IS in the distinct cultural identity. We love Lord of the Rings for it's britishness, we love the Witcher for it's Slavicness, we love the Romance of the Three Kingdoms for it's... "chineseness". Doing what Amazon did to LotR and what's done to the Witcher TOOK AWAY the identity we loved and replaced it with generic everyday boringness. And I'm talking about stories and characters, not ACTORS. Nobody batted an eye for Lamborghini and Rasputin - two historical figures of Italy and Russia - being played by an American and a Welsh respectively in latest Holywood editions. Why? Because they ACTED OUT the Italian and the Russian identity. Which is not only accurate, but also THE appeal of these characters. Would it be fun to draw Rasputin as a half naked Aztec helping Montezuma fight off the Conquiscadors? Yes. Would it also be tremendously stupid to do? Also yes. To conclude, I believe the only actual "re-imagining" worth doing is one that BOOSTS the character. For example, Disney's classic animated Robin Hood. Who ever came up with those animals to represent Robin Hood characters was a genius. Because it made them MORE themselves, not LESS.
@@codinghusky5196 other than the lazy writing, I don't see the issue, I just don't; not enough to create the outrage that come from mainly the right although sometimes from the left...
@@Tanson32 I see your point but I would say in that scenario it's different because of the theme, and the message they are trying to convey; other movies like Ghostbusters or I guess in this case The Little Mermaid doesn't have a specific sentiment. Would you agree with that?
I think the fact the race swapping is always in one direction and is almost always the protagonist in the story to be quite revealing in their true motivations.
It is just black supremacy/black worship/simping at this point. They are catering to the most fragile of demographics - self loathing whites and black supremacists.
What bothers me more is how the black actors (and community) seem content with the sloppy seconds and scraps that they are being fed. I cannot fathom why they aren’t more vociferously outraged by this treatment. What unique, amazing, and inspiring original black stories and characters has Hollywood and Disney created for them lately? Chinese girls got Turning Red and a Mulan Remake, Italians got Luca, Pacific Islanders got Moana, South and Central Americans got Encanto and Coco, Southeast Asians got Raya and the Last Dragon, Blue aliens got Avatar 1 and 2, Scottish gingers got Brave, heck, even Elves got an Onward movie… What have young black people got since The Princess and the Frog FOURTEEN YEARS ago? Sloppy seconds, hand-me-downs, cheap and lazy race swaps, pandering, virtue signaling, and tokenism. Where every single time they’ve been left to face the inevitable fan backlash on their own for merely accepting the only jobs on offer. I grew up in Africa. The richness, history, diversity, and majesty of the myriad cultures spanning the continent is mind boggling, yet what has Hollywood done to capture it and offer something unique, captivating, inspiring, and worthy for such audiences? Fuck all is what! In fact, Hollywood has so little interest in making genuinely original content promoting black culture and so little confidence in that same market that it has to resort to what it has been doing lately. Riding the coattails of the characters, culture, history, legends, myths, stories, folklore, literature, movies, of other predominantly European and white cultures and race swapping and Trojan Horsing them willy nilly, in whatever roles they think will score them some easy brownie points. (Pun absolutely not intended…. but in hindsight…also absobloodylutely intended). They literally put out a Macbeth movie last year with Denzel fucking Washington as the 11th century Scottish Lord! WTAF!?! They could have just as easily made a captivating and unique hit drama about King Shaka. But nooooooo. Sorry not sorry. Your race and culture doesn’t deserve that! You’re not worth it. You get a “reimagining” of a famously white Scottish character written by a famously white British playwright instead. Now shut up and thanks us for being so “generous” and “diverse”.
As a black person u hit the real issue. Even back in the 90s, black original movies barely sold to white audiences so Hollywood gave up and is lazy so they now shoehorn black people in European culture to fix the issue of "diversity". The solution is simple:Make MORE BLACK AND LATINO ORGINAL MOVIES THATS NOT DISNEY RELATED AND SUPPORT THEM
As a black woman I don’t care about sloppy seconds. I do prefer original black characters but I must admit it brings me much joy to see white people angry for being race swapped. I like to read angry white comments. I like that there are RUclips channels dedicated to white anger for being race swapped. It’s gives me hours of pleasure reading the comments from frustrated white people. And yes white people if you want to play Martin Luther King do it! Black people don’t care about that. We just enjoy seeing you all upset.
@Pinkypunks32 that takes actuall effort and marketing. Hollywood uses race swaps to piss of the already established fan base to rile up controversy and get eyes on the topic. All publicity is good publicity when you just label all decenters as racists
As an African of Zimbabwean descent who's a writer, a history buff who hopes to be an animator in the future and has made TONS of OCs from various countries and ethnic groups (who I've done my level best to try and flesh out and write well,of course),I'd like to mention the unanimously agreeable fact that race swapping SUCKS!! This instance hurts especially. The OG HTTYD takes place in a sort of Middle ages Scandinavia long before slavery or the slave trade were a thing,so them making Astrid Black is not just forced,it's just plain inaccurate(if they ever use the excuse that her parents are immigrants from an African country). Just give us original POC characters with ACTUAL PERSONALITIES instead of race swapping an already established character and pretending that their still the same character!
I feel that race swapping is another form of whitewashing. It pressures a black or poc person into a white mold and eradicates their cultural background. If they really want more diversity, they need to create diverse roles. Cleopatra was white. And she's part of the long history of white colonialism and making her black steals from black history. There have been black Pharaohs before her. Some of them even female. But her hellenistic family robbed the black bloodlines of their throne. That's an important part of Egyptian history. Making Cleopatra black, whitewashes the black representation by for one eradicate the Hellenic influence on the culture of Egypt and thus for makes Cleopatra's white character traits into a role model for black people, and second it cleans up history and removes another example of oppression and forced change. And I really can't understand why black people are allowing this.
Exactly your country and culture has so many legends and folklore that could be used to make an original movie or show so why isn't Hollywood and Disney trying to make those stories. I'm sure they would be good if they did.
Totally agree; if a character is established then don't mess with them. People 'of colour' aren't the only ones who don't like their culture messed with. I don't see Disney lining up a white actress for Tiana in a live action Princess and the Frog. People want to watch good films with good stories not have political ideologies pushed at them. When I was little playing at being a specific Disney princess was about imagination. I didn't have to see a 'white Jasmine' to connect with her character or float around the house singing 'A Whole New World' horrifically out of key....
The best reaction people can have is no reaction. Give Hollywood, Netflix, Disney etc zero feedback. Just refrain from watching their content. They’ll get the message.
No they won't. If telling them what they've made is trash only encourages them to make more, then not paying any attention to them will only make them scream louder and be even more obnoxious than they already are.
Exactly. Look at Budd; if people just criticised them it wouldn't have made a difference. But because people stopped buying their product and they've lost around 16 billion in the process now they suddenly try to walk back the mistake they made. Long gone are the days where logic and decency are the primary currency. These woke clowns only listen when they're bleeding money.
I literally refuse to pay for God of War Ragnarok because of the race swap. That shit incenses me. If I ever do play it, I'm looking for a mod that undoes the damage.
Sydney left out one highly salient point. Film is an inherently visual medium, therefore every aspect of a character's appearance is part of the story, including costume, makeup, special effects, and yes, even race. Small changes to any of those features can have a significant impact on how the audience perceives the film.
Film was a visual medium. That's why actors were cherry picked to play certain characters. Now, it is meaningless. They just random pick any actor to play any role and voila! Deal with it. Who cares that you see a still from a movie and have absolutely no idea who is who?! It is your problem. You are the problem that you have a strict depiction of that character in your sick head.
Yeah, for the Astrid casting... they can't tell me they couldn't find a blonde lady for the role. And the thing that drives me absolutely nuts about the arguments over the live action Ariel is that we all know for a fact that if she had been black originally and was changed to white, (which for the record, I wouldn't be happy about either).there would be no talk about "it doesn't matter bc she's a fictional mermaid!" They should just say what they really think, which is that race swapping is ok as long as it goes from white to any other ethnicity. Just be honest!
It's absolutely the double standard that annoys the hell out of myself and many others. The left is so inconsistent and illogical that I have no idea how anyone can call themselves "left wing" these days. Look at how the left freaked out about Ghost in the Shell saying she had to be Asian when in fact the anime had her white to start with. But as soon as they change traditional white characters, you're a racist if you don't like it.
In reference to the Little Mermaid remake...most people don't like the live-action remakes. There is no pleasing us, after you go there, really. My daughter made me take her to see "Alladin". When she was young. She liked it, 'cuz she was too young to know better. She is 14 now. She mocks the live action remakes. She won't spend HER money on any. Take spiderman: Into the Spiderverse. Absolutely no one complained that the main character is Black. It was a good movie & that's all anyone cared about. In summary, in the fictional race-swapping, it is part of lazy creative process. If they were striving for excellence, we'd have no problem. But, they aren't striving for...well, even good-enough. In short, the race swapping is a symptom
Thanks Sydney, just stumbled over your channel... this is the first video I have seen and I needed this so much. Yay, there are people left, who are able to use their common sense. And are willing to do so publicly :) I will stay tuned!
Ppl who bitch about ppl caring about race swapping clearly don't understand the importance of culture and it being erased. They r erasing white culture and their the same ppl who 10 years ago said who cares if someone identifies as a dif sex. And now they target our kids.
In the case of How To Train Your Dragon it's a Dreamworks blunder, not Disney. But Disney is no saint. I was actually holding out hope that Dreamworks wouldn't pander but apparently they are. GGs, time for a new movie studio.
The Princess and the Frog actually made the race swap make sense. They changed the location and enough of the story that it was fresh and new while also being an adaptation. I thought those changes justified having Tiana be black, plus she was written well and was an engaging and likable character. It's not one of my favorite movies, but I do think that's an example of race swapping done right. So what they're really doing is laziness. They could adapt any story into an entirely different context and justify switching the races of the characters. They aren't doing that. They're just race swapping the character and assuming that alone is representation. In some cases, I don't really have an issue with it. As long as the actor is genuinely the best one and the character isn't specifically tied to a culture or hasn't been portrayed the same way for a long time only to suddenly switch it, there's no harm in it. It's the laziness that gets to me.
Yes! Like how Jane Austen remakes have been done cross-culturally e.g. 'Bride and Prejudice' is the Bollywood version of P&P. It's funny, unique, has a nod to the source material but is creative all by itself too.
for ult fans such as myself, its preferable to align the specific details in the originals with the live action movies. However, I doubt the need to be against race swap, IF the whole set is changed to accommodate the new script adaptation that accurately makes sense so its no where DISRECTFUL to the original creation and to those that loved it. There's nothing wrong with making a different version BASED on the original, but its morally sickening when the intent is to replace or steal a role just to be inclusive. It's all on INTENT/QUALITY/HONOR&PRIDE.
It comes down to AUTHENTICITY. Being true to the original character, folklore, customs, story, etc., makes it more sincere, genuine, and honest. This is true whether it's race-swapping, gender-swapping, sexual-orientation-swapping, or whatever else HW types want to swap these days for the sake of D&I. Just stop, FFS PLEASE.
As a Norwegian i am actually okay with Nico, she isnt fully black, but sorta tan, which still is unrealistic for vikings, but i can work, and we had brunettes with brown eyes... But that isnt my problem, Astrid is a white girl with blonde and blue eyes... if nico wore a blonde wig then i'd be fully okay with it, but she dosent so that just ruins the character... Im so tired of race swapping all the time...
When I first heard about the Little Mermaid remake, I heard the argument, "are you really getting mad over a mermaid? Mermaids don't have a race." Ok. Every time DISNEY'S Little Mermaid, Ariel, has depicted since 1989, she's always had: red hair, white skin, blue eyes, a purple starfish bra and a green tail. Even in the other disney films, like Wreck It Ralph 2 and the Sofia the first, Ariel always looked the same UNTIL the Live Action (when the height of BLM-George Floyd was happening). Being totally honest, after listening to Halle's voice, she's a fine Ariel; HOWEVER, the worst thing about the remake is Disney decided to, "renovate it for a modern audience." When you "renovate" a classic for a "modern audience," you ruin it. Just look at Mulan. Instead of following the original movie where she trains and earns the respect of her peers and Shang, they made her a badass from birth, cut Shang (because imagine your strong independent woman falling for *gasp* A MAN!) and Mushu out of the movie. THEY EVEN REMOVED I'LL MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU, ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC DISNEY SONGS OF ALL TIME! People want Live Actions to be as close, if not a copy, of their original source material. They want the actors to look like the characters they're portraying and they ESPECIALLY dont want the story to be "renovated."
Hans Christian Anderson (Danish) wrote and published "The Little Mermaid" in 1837. That being the case, many Danes feel that it is part of their culture ... Denmark isn't known for their racial diversity ... especially 200 years ago. However, most people I know who are annoyed by this stuff are more annoyed by the hypocrisy, not the swap itself. You will NEVER see a swap go the other way just because the best actor available happened to be white. Basically saying that the people making that argument about "mermaids being fictional so why do you care?" are ignoring the very argument that they would make if the situation were reversed.
I generally agree, but I have a problem with people acting as though the "original" movies did not do the same thing back in the days. As though this was a modern thing. Just take The Little Mermaid for example: The "original" Disney movie heavily changed the whole message for the modern audience at the time. In the original fairytale Ariel never gets the prince. In fact she even considers killing him to save herself in the end. And if I remember correctly (my childhood was a long time ago) Ariel in the end had to atone for 300 years. It's not just a very different story but also a completely different message.
If merpeople have no race, then why the hell Disney was so careful to represent every single human race in Ariel's sisters? And importantly, they still have HUMAN races - there are white mermaids, black mermaids and asian mermaids. Noone ever thought there would rather be "fish"-coloured merpeople there, some of them bright orange and some dark blue, green or red? That would be a much more interesting and more "authentic" (i.e. correlating with our knowledge on how the underwater biology works) representation, and that still would be representation! But no-no, the soya latte drinkers have to see EXACTLY themselves even in merpeople!! How selfish!
There’s many things wrong with the live action little mermaid. Creepy CGI Sebastian Flounder and Scuttle, making her sisters all different races and changing their names, ruining the songs kiss the girl and poor unfortunate souls.
Burying the lead. Showing us the casting of Astrid first is to soften the blow of the real casting swap. As you all know, Astrid's father-in-law is Stoick........a redhead man. You all know where this is leading.
Look they need to just Cast Gerard Butler and be done with it…tell him to slap on 20kgs grow his hair and dye it red! And bobs your uncle!! It’s just not HTTYD without him!!
Not being Scandinavian or even blonde i too see trading Vikings with people of appearances that could not have possibly be found in those locations at those times also disturbing.
i’m exactly all of those ethnicities, for me i feel the same way about Frozen 2. I feel if they wanted to put a black Lieutenant in such a high position for a royal army, they could have done something to highlight the rarity, the possibility of that happening being second to none, honoring black trailblazers in Norwegian history. the way they depict it as completely historically accurate felt off to me, but then again it’s a fictional story about a magic princess so i guess it doesn’t matter that much lol
I also have heavy norwegian background. It's so annoying when people think they can rewrite history. I'm just not watching it. It's so weird and almost racist for viewing life this way. It's like they are trying so hard not to be racist that it's just racist. Hollywood is full of weirdos.
Here's my issue with race swapping, it's lazy tokenism pretending to be diversity. There is thousands of years of mythology to draw on from ALL ethnicities how hard can it possibly be for writers and creators to diversify and create original representative works. It's honestly exhausting watching people jump through hoops to defend these companies for doing the absolute least they could possibly do to be inclusive instead of demanding creative and original representation.
Facts 💯🙌🙌🙌🙌
Is it that they can't come up with new stories about people from different races? Is it erasure or lack of creative spark?
@@gaffstompr2 More like they're just being lazy and creatively bankrupt (in other words, erasure or lack of creative spark)
I had it pointed out to me by a black person that African culture has its own mermaid mythology! They do have mermaid stories that they could have told. But Hollywood had to be lazy and decided to put Ariel in blackface. Because mah diversity🙄
Not just epic myths either. Most Disney movies are interpretations of children's stories. Are they going to pretend like these don't exist on other continents?
I believe all this race swapping is ridiculous.
Ppl who bitch about ppl caring about race swapping clearly don't understand the importance of culture and it being erased. They r erasing white culture and their the same ppl who 10 years ago said who cares if someone identifies as a dif sex. And now they target our kids.
White Erasure
I’ve been saying this for years- even without the race swapping/historical reimagining/gender swapping/whatever, why are there absolutely no original works worth a fuck being made? It’s all ‘new take on something old’ type stuff, reviving old content and continuing a story that didn’t need new chapters, or as the kids say ‘retcon’.
Is there no one or nothing worth writing about in the particular skin tone/historical period/gender group for you to write about?
Jesus was a 4 foot tall Chinese guy................... honest !!!
If you pay attention, it's almost all red heads being replaced in big movies. It always gets deeper.
As a black woman all i can say is; If Tiana had being swapped by a white actress with blonde hair and blue eyes ,everyone would have lost it. The double standard is real.
Please stop the maddness. Biracial people have been used in place of black people for DECADES. Nico Parker is predominately WHITE, she is not black. BUT all people see is that her mother is HALF black. No one is questioning whether the lead actor Scandanavian...I wonder why.
The Frog Prince is German in the first place, it is already swap race...
It is true what the comment said to you.
But they also reworked the story completely so it felt like a new story and that is why no one had a problem with it.
There is animated versions of it way before Tiana. But also Tiana and the story was lovely.
Thank you. ❤
As a Black woman, are you saying they would do that because there is so little white representation in hollywood, traditionaly?
I'm a student of history, I absolutely love reading about mediterranian cultures - in particular the ancient Greeks and Romans. I don't browse the old Netflix that much but when I found out about Cleopatra I laughed my ass off. So much evidence to the contrary, yet they still cast her as a black african. The fact that they pissed off all of Egypt spoke volumes.
1ST,,,Egypt is in Africa,and at Cleopatra's time over 95% of the population was native black and brown Africans,.MANY GREEKS WERE MIXED RACE,AS AFRICANS EDUCATED THEM FOR HUNDREDS OF YRS. Modern Egyptian Arabs NEVER existed in ancient Africa,they descend from invaders,GOOGLE....DATE OF MUSLIM ARAB INVASION OF NORTH AFRICA. 639 AD. Many excellant factual videos have surfaced confirming Cleopatra's mixed race. Netflix RESEARCHED and got it right,they didn't use ignorance,racism ,or HOLLYWOOD in their DOCUMENTARY. google....cambridge university real cleopatra.
To me these people are the flat earthers of history
It’s all about the Director’s vision, Jada Smith a ratchet woman on every level
Yeah, never mind that Cleopatra was Ptolemaic Greek! (Descended from blond-haired, blue-eyed, Alexander the Great!) They're so full of it!
It shows how people don’t know much about the topic before they start cancelling, because if they did hire an actress who was blonde, people would be mad at Netflix for not hiring someone black (because she’s African, right??)
Imagine getting a role for a movie, and finding out its not because you're good at what you do but because you fill out their quota.
Imagine happening in the opposite direction, as has happened with the Lilo and Stitch actress that had the right diversity but was not black enough for the progressists.
@@rafaeljhol Imagine being too stupid to understand what opposite means.
White actors don't have to imagine it through most of history.
Thats would feel insulting.
I wonder if defending the role is part of their contract. It's the modern-day version of selling your soul for money.
I'm a Caucasian male from Australia and I reckon I'd do a good job playing Oprah in a movie about her life
i think you should get the part hell of an idea yes!
You just cant be thin bruh... the would be fat phobic... 🤙
How about we sign you up for Tina Turner.
Yes you'll do great. I also think we should do a biopic of Jada - starring Joy Behar
No silly, that'll go to Dylan Mulvaney.... 😜🤣🤣
I'm sad that they are changing Astrid. She is a Viking, from that culture. Also, if she is the only black person in the film, it stands out even more. Imo she was a good example of blonde-haired blue-eyed woman who doesn't uphold the "blondes are dumb" trope and is both feminine, supportive, and strong at the same time.
Then they should make all characters black and base all the story in Bronx, and instead of the dragons, there should be cops. Then it will be much more interesting to watch
@@nekomitaina I would watch a film about people riding around on the back of cops.
Going to make a WW2 film. I got lots of Japanese guys to play the Americans at pearl harbor and am working a deal with Denzel Washington to agree to play Hitler.
@@JirebladeDon’t forget to add to the cast of Mussolini and Stalin
We are being destroyed.
I find it immensely ironic that Disney is wanting to show black representation in their live actions, and yet they're completely ignoring the Princess and the Frog
I've thought the same thing. Why do they have to remake all the classics? Why not just do NEW stories with black actors?
@@zacharysiple629 yk if they make the remake of the Princess and the frog I bet the characters are gonna be white lmao and like Sydney is saying just stay close to what how the character looks and make a new story but never make a black person white or a white person black that is just annoying and not respectful
It's because thats probably the least popular movie. Many people probably don't even know what that is. In their minds it's a more sure bet to race swap a white girl from a more popular movie instead.
@@mattvaughn8525 The Princess and the Frog is FAR from the least popular Disney movie. I know a few black Disney stars love it.
Dinosaur, The Wild, Meet The Robinsons, Chicken Little, ones like that are F-A-R less popular than THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG.
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS!!! WHATCHA GONNA DO THERE DISNEY?!?!?! HUH?!?!?!
If race doesn't matter then "representation" doesn't matter.
Then we can do true blind casting all the time and everyone of any ethnicity is on equal footing. (Blind casting can work well actually, but I can also see the times you wouldn’t want to do it that way)
@Katie.L Hall I want to see a beautiful red-headed Caucasian woman like yourself be cast for the role of those such as Harriet Tubman or The Ronettes trio, or Aunt Jemima! ❤
@@LennyCash777 dude, I WISH my hIr was red! 😆 it is brown, May be reflecting the red of the wood in the pic. But I’ll stay out of the acting world except to criticize when my favorite musicals (Little Shop of Horrors and Joseph) cast really bad vocalists
But race is all that matters currently in the west.
For the left race matters. They are obsessed by race. Totally contradicting the old fashioned left!
The biggest thing that angers me is the attack on specifically celtic and norse culture.
I used to wish that Slavic culture was more explored in popular media. Now I'm grateful that we're mostly ignored.
Because we conquered the World.
I agree. People always tell me to shut the hell up about this, but it actually does piss me off to see literal DOZENS of redheaded characters erased and cast as black people. Redheads are one of the most historically and even presently mistreated minority groups and we always have to take a back seat to black people because they just see the white skin and see privilege. I actually agree with the left in the sense that representation does have an impact, because one single episode of South Park led to over a decade of ruthless bullying of redheaded kids. Imagine if there were even a few redheaded characters in popular media for people to see that we're just regular people. I don't mean to make it sound like I want oppression points but I do think it's a point worth discussing.
There is a war on white people.
@@poogissploogis You're good. White people (specifically ginger people) complaining when we are victimized and then being told that we're simply "looking for oppression points" is simply another tactic of hating White people and gaslighting us into shutting up.
I'm not even a ginger yet I'm fcking sick of the "gingers have no souls" meme. It exists purely because npc's won't hop off a fad. So stupid. During an age in which hating White people is the norm, we don't need sht like that. Gingers are unique and should be celebrated.
"It's just a fictional character, why does it matter if we change the race?"
"If it really doesn't matter, then why are you determined to change it?"
For real like why ?, like the soonest they change it is all for them now
Exactly. Why iignore the white auditions. They might actually play the part well.
Because they are liars.
@@Kenitso Pretty much. Say anything to shut down a logical conclusion.
Of course, had it been the other way around they would have freaked out
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984
orwell was truly a genius
Just like all of African history.
Make Orwell Fiction Again!
One thing that should also be mentioned is how they use the race-swapping as an excuse to deflect valid criticism.
Exactly. I probably could get behind a Little MerMaid based upon one of Neptunes other daughters. Maybe Ariel inspire them to get out of their element and explore another world and to pursue their own dream. So, while Ariel fulfilled her dream for love, this other daughter could take on a strong lead as a female hero of man. I mean, guess what, there are a lot of female soldiers, doctors, police officers, teachers, who have saved men, women, and children and are seen as much of a hero as their male counterparts.
Heck. I'm a Wonder Woman fan. Storm and Rogue are my favorite X-Men (even above Wolverine). Nikita is a spy/assassin I would want on my side.Heck, until Olvia Benson (Law & Order: SVU, before that becaome political) was my favorite of the Benson-Stablier duo.
@Michael Irons I wish we could have gotten a different Mermaid movie. I love the og Little Mermaid and I would have fully supported some kind of spin-off or a completely different movie with mermaids. Unfortunately, movie studios nowadays only care about cash, publicity, and deflecting criticism smh. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. Halle Bailey isn't even a good actress, so the casting made no sense to me.
Also, I also loved Olivia Benso until they made her character into the "sad activist" type.
@@RonniV2 Thry could have made the film based on Mami Wata, but no, they have to steal a caucasian culture again...
I don't see the big deal of why a lot of people get so upset with this issue, it's been done for centuries with paintings of historical figures...but I think you make a valid point that studios will push out garbage movies and then deflect by saying well you're against 'x...y...z'...
@@RonniV2 Wiki: "Gabriella is a recurring character in the animated series _The Little Mermaid._ She is a deaf mermaid who communicates in American Sign Language; her friend Ollie, an octopus, serves as her interpreter."
A deaf dark skin Hispanic mermaid with an octopus friend. She's a marketing win.
I confess, I used to be woke. I was easily triggered. I would protest everything that offended me, and demand it all be cancelled. Eventually I outgrew it, and went to preschool.
Oh god. Did you become one of those 'MAP' people? 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
@Jordan Sherrington Haha. I like to sneak up on people.
😂😂😂😂you sneaky
I was a male trapped in a female body...
For 9 months.
Awesome. So glad you went to pre-k
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made"
J.R.R. Tolkien
Atheists destroy societies the religious have built and established.
Homosexuals deconstruct and destroy what heterosexuals have built and established.
Diversity destroys what a majority of one type of people have built and established.
That's a misattribution, but he wrote something similar, and the point stands regardless.
U havnt seen fate series have u . They swapped races and genders of everyone
Alexander the Great is an african ginger
Nero is a blonde girl
King arthur is a blonde girl pretending to be boi . And yeah she's underage
Sir lancelot is an african
I can go on and on
As a norwegian I get kinda upset when they mess with Scandinavian/Nordic/Norse/Sami culture. Some people don't understand that white people have culture. And not all white culture is the same (Same as with all races. Not all asian culture is the same. Not all black culture is the same etc.) We here in the northern part of Europe don't get that much representation (Apart from Viking stuff and Norse mythology that they make very "Hollywood") We lost both Astrid and Ariel. Why not find a scandinavian to play them? I'm already scared about what they're gonna do with Frozen if that ever become a live action. They're just gonna ignore the norwegian/sami etnetisity even though those are big parts of the movies. There is also a trend on removing that small minority of redheads. They already lost Ariel and Triss (Witcher) Watch Merida and Anna also getting replaced. 🙄 Why not making new stories? Why even making all this moneygrabbing live action movies?
Som tur är så gör vi ju också våra egna filmer och behöver inte förlita oss på att bli representerade av jänkarna. De kan få hålla sig där borta på andra sidan havet och syssla med sitt strunt, och så fortsätter vi att göra vårt.
hi maidenviking i am asking this so i can educate myself and because i love LOVE learning new things and history so my queen or questions is this
is Norwegians all Vikings or some?
is Norwegian in Holland or own country?
was there to your knowglegy any black vikings
@@paulcornell5294 These are all things you can google, bud.
@@eva1585 thank you
@@paulcornell5294 Why would Norway be in holland? I am genuinely surprised why this is even a question.
The problem is: If a character goes from white to black or male to female. It's always "what's the problem are you a racist? But if a character of color is played by someone with even a bit of a lighter skin tone the woke mob is erupting in anger 🤷🏾
white to black (and everything else) has been done to death, which is why you're NOW seeing black to everything else, which wouldn't be too bad if it all wasn't bread-bunned around the slippery slope of the radical left.
Yep! Didn’t that happen with the live action Lilo and Stitch?
@@What_IsMyName Sydney mentioned that too.
@@What_IsMyName yeah but the actress is actually native Hawaiian
@@Fabo2701 12:38 And the woke SJWeirdos still REE'd whitewashing, because she was lighter skinned.
Like, tanning is a thing. Send her to Coachella and write that off as a business expense.
You're the first one who's explaining that also us "terribly white" Europeans have cultures, too! Thank you for that!!!
I was thinking the same thing. I keep hearing that white people have no cultures, which is also why "Black" gets capitalized and white does not according to media guidelines.
I refuse to believe that other non-European cultures don't have their own mythology, stories, or fairy tales that Hollywood could represent. So that leave me to believe that one of the following is true.
One, the agenda is to destroy European culture by hijacking it to promote a woke culture agenda.
Two, Hollywood eletes are too ignorant to look for other source material to feed on.
Three, Hollywood simply doesn't have faith that these lesser known stories will be popular with a world wide audience.
I actually hope it is the third and not the other two. Because the third can be addressed. Stay true to the source material, cast ethnicly correct actors, and tell a good story. People will come to your movie.
First? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
The ‘terribly white’ European cultures are the healthy dominant ones. Who is dying to move to the Congo? Who improves their lives by leaving America or the UK for Zimbabwe or Namibia or the Middle East or China or Venezuela or North Korea…? When was the last time the worlds medical achievements have been paved by Africa…ancient Egypt?
@@lollipopsfordays3610
The funny thing is that the Ancient Egyptians were never black. 😂
There is huge difference between a movie and a documentary. No mater how much you want Cleopatra to be black it is 100% a no go in a documentary. Calling it a documentary is supposed to mean something
Nothing means anything anymore, it seems.
Reality bending.
@Blueness1230 I agree the choice of actress was irrelevant. But to specifically claim that she was black when she was not is the problem.
There are awards shows from Mexico where they have best actress and best actor awards - incidentally they do in a protagonist role and an antagonist role, (so bad guys get awards too not just the starring "hero")
But they have an award that is generally regarded as the most prestigious - best actor/actress in a cross over role.
This goes to a Hispanic actor playing an explicitly "Non-Hispanic" role.
The idea is to play a character that is not a stereotypical Hispanic person and do so convincingly.
I do not see the reason people are so obsessed with either "race swapping a a character" or insisting "race is relevant to a character, where their race is not a main component of the character"
Other people comment about MLK, well MLK the whole point of his life was that he was black fighting for civil rights, therefore that is the main "personality" trait needed to be considered when casting.
Queen Cleopatra was Queen of Egypt highly educated and had an affair with Caesar and Marc Antony - while she was Macedonian Greek that is mostly irrelevant to her individual character. You don't need Greek Actress to play the part.
It seems as if whites think they are superior and any person of color displayed in a position of power is fallacious and wrong when it fact it is not! Columbus didn’t even discover America, get off of your high horse!
That documentary even has Roman soldiers wearing pants.... which weren't even invented until over a thousand years later.
and everything else in that documentary is just as dubious.
The same people that would say "Why does it matter? The character isn't real." Are the same people who would flip tables if a black character was replaced by a white actor. They are being dishonest.
For real, they're hypocrite 🙄
Well.. isn't that just a hypothetical that you're treating as a fact? It's weird to just postulate something and then immediately use it as evidence to support your claim😂 who's dishonest? Lol
Historical figures shouldn't be changed(Cleopatra). Characters whose race or culture is important to their character shouldn't be changed(Black Panther, Thor, etc). Outside of that, it really should be fine, but it should be treated as a case by case basis.
If someone wanted to switch Indiana Jones I imagine people would have an issue with it, even if there's not an argument I can see outside of "he was white before". We ran into this same thing with Bond, and I personally was excited for Idris Elba to be Bond, and was of the mind the only real requirement to play Bond should be that the actor is from the UK(I think they had an aussi play him at one point though😂).
With Disney, if they had switched Pocahontas, you've got a pretty justified backlash. I could see the same issue with Snow White, since her fairness is symbolic of her pure heart(that could probably lead to a whole other debate though lol). As far as Ariel goes, I don't think her switch really matters. Ariel was a pretty blank slate of a character and wasn't even human, so changing her from a white fish person to a black fish person shouldn't really matter to anyone that's being rational. The most iconic thing about Ariel, other than her being a fish, is her red hair, and they kept that.
And btw, you don't need to create a hypothetical person for this argument, I'm a ginger and I wasn't offended that they swapped her race😂
@@stephengrigg5988who has this much time to write a triggered essay. It's really simple. Be historically accurate and stick to source material. And yeah, what the guy up top said is an assumption, it's a very accurate one too
@@stephengrigg5988you know all those Disney stories are from European folklore right? So yeah, not blank slates and to be manipulated for virtue signalling points by lazy Hollywood
@@Air7Rhythms cry some more about it and write two more emotional ass responses in a row *again* like the sensitive little girl you are. "It'S eUrOpEaN FoLKlOrE" while clutching your pearls like a Karen.
I literally had an argument about the Little Mermaid being Danish, and the guy told me that there are dark skinned Danish people.
I replied back in 1843, there really weren't. And all the original artwork depicted her as white. The first illustration had her with long black hair. He still told me she was always dark skinned, even the statue.
Then there was an argument with someone who said Hans Christian Andersen was gay, despite being married to a woman. All because he sent letters to friends in 1844, where he told a man "I love you much as any good gentleman can."
In the 1800's, telling another man you loved him was normal. But now they're claiming his as a historical homosexual icon.
How would having dark skin be advantageous in an area that doesn't receive any sunlight? Wouldn't dark Ariel need to take vitamin d supplements?
Now we will have to point out the same thing here. The movie is in Iceland. Cast Icelandic people. People will then pull the "but they had scottish accents and you never complained about inaccuracy there you bigof"
Modern illness, "marginalised" people claiming historical people were actually like them.
Amurican schools have failed society.
In Andersen's tale, there are several spots where she is clearly described as having white skin.
And talking of "dark skinned Danish people" is a fallacy. Immigrating and getting a citizenship does not make one a Dane.
The "swaps" only EVER go in one direction, with both fictional and historical characters, so the motivation behind it is painfully obvious...This is why people are pissed, and justifiably so as the world would NEVER hear the end of it if the situation were reversed...
Antiwhiteism is their religion.
What do you feel the motivation is? I mean, I agree with you I just want to hear someone else say it instead of just inside my head.😂
@@kevingarcia4961white erasure and replacement
While I agree it mostly goes in one direction, not always. Avatar comes to mind, where they race swapped ang and water tribe people to white for some reason, and fire nation to Indian? it was bizarre and I've no idea what their thought process was. and I complain about this not for some woke racial justice, but because I actually really liked avatar the animation, and I would prefer actors to at least look a little like the characters they portray. Yes, I care even when they are fictional. Fans of a game or animation will always be slightly bothered by that I am sure.
@@kevingarcia4961 it is payback for when Hollywood only had about 100 actors that played every race... the proof is always early movie, and if you mention 80's films and the high diversity you get ignored.
Can I just say that How To Train Your Dragon did not need a remake or a live action version. That movie (the first one mostly, for me) was amazing and needed nothing added or changed
Yeah, i think its one of those films thats pretty much impossible to do justice to. The art style itself played a huge role in the animated films.
Exactly. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
Thats because it is based on a Jungian psicology, about archetypes, and it is for revealing a sane way of developing from a trauma childhood to be a man and a supporting group of friends an a female partner.
@@Erowens98 Agreed. Animation was really the beautiful and awesome thing about a lot of these old films and remaking them live action, takes away all the beauty of them. I miss when new stories were made and new ideas were formed into shows and movies. Creativity seems to have left these companies long ago
The next one they’re going to ruin is the masterpiece that is “Gladiator”. A sequel is already being made. I’m sure half the Romans will be black or Asian and the main characters transgender women (aka men in drag)! 🤮🤮🤮🤮
This upset me so much about the casting choice for Astrid because I'm Scandinavian with Viking ancestry. I was extremely sad and mad about one of the Percy Jackson characters was race swapped. Thank you for sharing this
Oh yeah, I recall reading about new Percy Jackson adaptation. What is funny Rick Riordan fully supported race swap even claiming he didn't actually mentioned that Annabeth was white. Basically he told fans that they should like what they see otherwise they are just prejudiced racists. Even tho for most of the fans it wasn't a problem with actress, but the problem with how they see characters. There's also such a thing as fanfiction. People who care about the story to create their own fiction about it certainly have reasons to feel cheated. Black Hermione in Cursed Child was also an example of great idea. After 8 movies with Emma Watson playing the character we suddenly see not just a black woman, but also rather ugly one.
Back to Riordan - he shared the communique from the studio where it said that actors should be cast only with consideration of their acting ability no matter their sex, physical abilities, and sexual orientation. In some way it make sense, but mostly it doesn't. Because, as said in this video, when you make a movie based on some existing story the description of the character matters!
@@d4slaimless you make great points actually, I don't hate the actress who is playing Annabeth. I'm more mad at Riordan and Hollywood because I despise race swapping. What's also funny is that Riordan *LITERALLY* said that he was going to have the actors look exactly from the books. He lied and gaslit us with a poor casting choice. I'm sorry if you do like the casting choice and the show itself. I don't like it at all. I straight up hate it...
@@Vixnarts nah, never watched the show. 2010 and 2013 movies wasn't a great success, but I rather liked some of the casting choices. But in the new show they supposed to have younger kids. It is closer to books (starts with Percy 12), but I don't think it is going to look great on screen. I had fun reading books, I think that was enough for me.
@@d4slaimless I'm not watching the show either. I do like the movies, which I'll 10,000% will get picked on for. But I enjoy the books way more and I never wanted to have an adaptation for the books. I don't need an adaptation, I know what the characters look like in my head.
@@Vixnarts well, I actually liked the 2nd movie, since by that time I've read the books and it started to make sense. In general 2nd movie received worse feedback than 1st though, but i think 22nd makes more sense. Still they combined and mixed books with each other and there was so much potential for some epic scenes.
" I know what the characters look like in my head." - this I can 100% agree with. That's why if you read the books you rarely agree with movies. But sometimes in very few cases adaptation just hits the spot.
For example, The Nero Wolfe Mysteries with Maury Chaykin as Nero Wolfe and Timothy Hutton as Archie Goodwin is the best adaptation of Rex Stout characters and I loved it. But more often than not you favorite characters get adapted for "modern audiences" and what _you_ get is unwatchable mess.
The thing is, Hollywood loves to tell us “the character isn’t real, so why does it matter?” but they KNOW it matters because that is precisely why they do it but they just want us to roll over and accept it
If it didn't matter, they wouldn't have changed the race of the character in the first place.
Race swapping fictional characters is a *DELIBERATE* malicious attack on *ONE* group of people, whose existence they are actively trying to E R A S E
@@markbest5127 exactly
There is an element of narcissistic abuse (ie "baiting") in this, and indeed there is an unfortunate intersection of social justice and narcissism that many people are not comfortable recognizing or talking about.
I find it insulting. When something is insulting I walk away.....or turn it off.
What annoys me the most is that everyone says “no one cares how a character looks you have issues if you do”. But if we made a white Tiana from princess and the frog they’d shit themselves. So, isn’t that racism? Why would racism only work one way?
Leftists deal solely in hypocrisy.
Facts
You can thank the far-left and their woke ideology for that.
He'll they're shitting themselves because an actress who is actually a pacific islander isn't dark enough
Its exactly that. But these people are just extremists and for those reality is not of interest.
It really bothers me when they get the high moral road asking us "why do you care about race swapping? It's a fictional character". Then, how you said, why to make the change then? Why to go as far as to change the race of a REAL HISTORICAL CHARACTER the way that Netflix did if it's not important? It will always be a mistery for me.
It makes complete sense when it is supposed to be historically accurate. But if it’s fictional, a lot of popular source material IS predominantly white as being black was obviously more of an issue back then. What’s wrong with changing that? A lot of white people just see it as an attack on their race by calling it ‘white erasure’ like they’ve just completely forgotten history. Its not as simple as ‘reverse the roles’ if the roles weren’t equal to begin with.
Because they hate white people, and are being paid by egs score not by customers...
It's perfectly fine when it suits them not the other way around. I'm really angry with the companies who make these decisions
Yet they'll b¹tch and m⁰an if their fictional characters are depicted with a skin tone that is one hue lighter than usual, for example.
Rewrite history in their favour. It's a very communist strategy.
Before i watch this, I'm praying that they didnt actually change Astrid's race considering the film is set in a viking settlement, and as a Swedish and Danish girl, it may just make my heart break.
Edit: kill me now
U havnt seen fate series have u . They swapped races and genders of everyone
Alexander the Great is an african ginger
Nero is a blonde girl
King arthur is a blonde girl pretending to be boi . And yeah she's underage
Sir lancelot is an african
I can go on and on
Så hur utspelar sig denna mix på dig? Är du en välklädd stropp med talfel?
Don't watch it. Don't even hate-watch it. You justify this type of behaviour by doing so. As when it comes to shows and movie, any popularity is good popularity and they will take your hate-watches as a sign that people like what they're doing. Just ignore any race/gender swapped content and let it fade into nothingness and be watched by no one.
@@jacksmith-mu3eedo you mean fate as in the winx saga? Because I don’t think they race swapped anyone
Imagine how badly you've failed as a parent if your kid thinks they can only identify with a character because they are brown skinned, and not because of the merits and virtues displayed by the character through their actions.
Can you imagine a Disney live-action version of Princess Mononoke featuring Lizzo as the black blob, or of Spirited Away featuring Cardi B as Chihiro ("sheeeeit, where my parents at?")
CJ, Bigsmoke and Ryder are my favourite characters in all GTA franchise, and I never thought about their ethnicity (and i'm a white European)
How is that parents fault?! A lot of Indian got stereotyped as Apu because he was only Indian character on tv in US. How is that on Indian parents?! Lazy Hollywood writing shouldn't be used as an argument against diversity. For minorities it's actually pretty significant. In a society where people don't care about race, this video in itself would be redundant because race swapping wouldn't matter if the concept of race is insignificant.
Black guy here and I agree. I identified with Peter Parker long before Miles Morales came into the picture.
You’re right the white girls should have no problem identifying with Halle as Ariel.
I'm a pale person who has been bullied for my paleness all my life (called ghostly, vampire, cracker, constantly asked if sick, told to tan etc etc). Not just strangers but people I'm close to too. I struggle finding make up that matches my shade and you can forget entirely about plasters, but I rarely see people mention that pale people experience those problems too.
On top of that if I ever say something is "my culture" I get scoffed at.... like yeah... incredibly I have one of those.... my Scones, Shortbread, Sunday Roasts, Monarchy, King Arthur and Robin Hood plus so much more are all a part of that.
It's NOT okay to shit on anybodies culture or colour of their skin.... unless they're "white" of course...
I seem to have a similar ethnic background to you (mostly Scottish, some Irish, maybe Welsh) and I'm certainly white, but I've never considered myself to be particularly pale. However, I have been criticized on multiple occasions (sort of in fun, but still ...) for not being tanned enough, as if that was some kind of shortcoming that should be mocked.
I'm a pasty ginger with green eyes and freckles all over my arms. and I have gotten all of this, too. Even had a friend on a beach trip suggest I should wear a Tshirt 'in case a passing flight mistakes you for a landing light' 🙄. That was also one of the reasons The Little Mermaid was my favorite movie as a kid, but I guess we don't matter. P.S. I also have a terrible time finding makeup unless I want to look like I have a bad spray tan.
same! i’m ginger, from scotland and the insults hit close to home
@@hollie28xx the amount of Gingers that Hollywood has automatically race swapped out to Black is crazy! It's like Hollywood absolutely hate gingers. I actually saw a short film where they rounded up a bunch of ginger men on a bus drove them out into the middle of nowhere in a field and then machine-gunned them down while they ran away! I know the short film was done kind of in jest, but damn that seemed pretty prophetic!
And up until that point in my life I had never seen a literal busload of ginger men before.
But you are white so you can’t have experienced racism! 🤪🤣
I remember my grandma telling me: "I don't care what they tell you in school - Astrid was white."
We can follow along with the woke arguments here, how do you suppose lefties would react to a white female character named Lakeesha or Shaniqua? Or a white male calling himself Muhammad?
😂 YES 🙌
@@stevekirkpatrick1612 Sorry. White Muhammad's totally exist. Name is a crappy argument since it's not race-based.
@@stevekirkpatrick1612 Right? They absolutely would flip out. Just shows black privilege and supremacy is real.
Hell yeah.
I have not been to a movie in 10+ years... "Hollywood" is a joke and i refuse to give them my money... honestly I don't even know who actresses and actors are anymore and that makes me happy.
I would rather watch a British film than a Hollywood one now.
I haven't been going to the cinema since I felt these nonsense started. In fact, I am thinking about canceling my Netflix subscription soon. I'm tired of this nonsense, I just want to watch good and memorable movies.
I've been making this point for years: "white" is not an ethnicity, it is a color. In the same way we wouldn't assume all African societies are blandly and generically similar, we should not do this for cultures with light skin colors. Irish, Scottish, British, French, German, etc. all have the same generally lighter skin colors (with some exceptions), but that doesn't mean they are all the same culturally nor ethnically. I'm glad more people are beginning to raise this point more often.
Let your money do your speeking for you.
“white” is laymen for western caucasoid. It’s a sub-species of homo-sapien. Or what’s known as in common tongue - “race”.
White peoples are objectively, directly and deeply related. They dont just happen to share a “generally light skin tone”. Their DNA is from the same few tribes of people from modern Ukraine and western Russia.
The Indo-Europeans.
Greeks, Italians, Germans, Danes, Anglos, Spaniards, Swedes, Portuguese, Russians, Poles, Serbians Etc… are directly descended from the same exact peoples who expanded throughout all of Europe (and into the ME, India, central Asia etc…).
To suggest we are not directly related and just happen to share a “generally lighter skin tone” like how whites and East Asians share light skin, is not accurate nor true. Ironically it’s ethnicity that is fluid and ever changing. Not race. Much of the Countries today whom you identify as an ethnicity, didn’t exist just 180 years ago.
For example “German” as an ethnicity, is new. There was no Germany until the late 19th century when Prussia United the German states against France and then formed the German empire (which didn’t even include all Germanic lands, notably Austria.).
Before this there was Bavaria, Westfalia, Saxony, Bohemia, Worms, Metz etc… and you wouldn’t claim your ethnicity as “German”, but rather Bavarian or Saxonian, franconian, Swabian etc… just as today most Austrians identify as Austrian, not German. Despite being a Germanic people who speak German.
I support ethnicities having their own lands, don’t get me wrong. They naturally arise.. But the true trait that matters is RACE. Being white. People seeking to erase that and replace it with this weird scattered idea of tiny fractured disconnected “ethnicities” and who then go on to pretend that they aren’t related at all and just happen to share “generally lighter skin tones”, should be looked at with suspicion.
as often their intentions are to shatter white peoples collective interests and collective power, so we can be more easily exterminated and replaced. Literal divide and conquer.
I.e “there’s no such thing as “Real Germans”. White is just a color! A German is anyone living in Germany! There are black Germans too! Black Germans ruled when Rome existed!!”
It’s utter rubbish. To be German is to be white. That’s the one trait all real Germans share.
@@nikolasdemoulin8093 I agree with points but then where would a mixed person come from, like can they be consider a real French or only half real French ( using France as an example)
You do understand you're talking about people that are so simple-minded they've lumped the human population into white and biboc. Literally white and none white and have been using a word flopped version of a certain phrase about people and colors.
Of course they aren't identical, but it's also a mistake not to recognize that white/Caucasian people are a distinct population cluster and are part of the same cultural sphere.
Think about the country of Italy. You could point out regional differences, or even differences from one town to the next. They aren't all identical, but no one would deny that there is an Italian identity.
It's sad that you don't seem to realize that the people who most strongly want there to not be a white identity are the very people doing the race swapping in our entertainment. In fact, they have openly said that "there's no such thing as a positive white identity".
The thing that frustrates me the most is that Hollywood is silently saying that making an original non-white character might not make enough money to be worth the investment, so they instead take a well know white character and just swap the race, then lash out and call everyone racist when people push back on the decision.
Its liek theyre the actual true racists...yeah..honestly thats how i feel about anything or anyone woke.
Which makes no sense because I bet Spiderverse kills it at the box office
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
It's also sad that they think by race-swapping a white character to be black
That they've made it better
As if white people are less than
Hollywood also doesn't tell ACTUAL african stories instead of just race-swapping.
"everyone has to see themselves reflected back" shows how narcissistic audiences are
thats exactly why the whites care about this so much. they're upset they're not able to see their fully white casts anymore
or how narcissistic those making the movies are thinking that they'd want to see themselves.
IN 1969 when Midnight Cowboy became my favorite movie, I didn't relate to a single character in the film. And yet it all fascinated me.
Art invites you to get out of yourself. A valuable thing.
It's an excuse for race-swapping. Most people don't actually care about that.
@@burleybater It's kinda the whole point, isn't it? To see things in this different perspective. Not just from a pigment pov, but everything. The color pallette, angle of shots. The story.
Eh, we live in a truly drab age.
Actual Scandinavian here. I was born here, lived my entire life here and when i do a DNA test it says i am 100% Scandinavian and im far from alone with this. I dont say it in the sense that i would be better than anyone else because of it, i say it so that people could get a perspective of just how homogeneous our history is. Making diverse adaptations of our history would only look stupid.
It's like in that interview with Mads Mikkelsen when he got asked about the lack of diversity in his new movie and he started laughing and said, "well it takes place in 1500s Denmark" and then proceeds to give him the "are you serious" - look.
With all this said, i don't care about what they do in Hollywood. If they want to use Will Smith as Gustav Adolf i would probably just laugh at how ludacris it all is.
The only problem i have with this swapping is the fact that there are so many uneducated people in the world that believes that it is accurate. I've already had to defend my own heritage against idiots online more times than i thought possible. Ever since they race and gender swapped Jarl Haakon, i've had several Americans telling me Vikings were actually black. Like, come on, we're not mythical creatures, we're still here and we didn't all magically turn white.
I would ofc rather watch historical adaptations that were actually bound to history instead of it being used as a statement by some asshole director i dont know. But as a source of comedy, i do enjoy these brainfarts Americans make.
As a Scandinavian American, we don't enjoy these "comedies." It starts small, with comedies or children's books or movies. Then, people start actually believing and promoting and making absurd claims about history. Then, it's taught in school, including universities. Then, history is completely revised and your identity is stolen or destroyed. Regarding your comment about "several Americans telling me Vikings were actually black," that absurd claim is already being taught at some of our universities and is being spread through other official (non-fringe) academic forums as well. And, these absurd claims are used for political purposes, for example, to convince Scandinavians that we've always been "diverse" and, therefore, go ahead and allow unrestricted mass immigration.
@@Leif208 That's just it why it's comedy. This isn't taught in Scandinavia and what happens in the US doesn't really affect us now does it. Americans may think what they want about us and we will still know our own history.
@@loris-bismar I wish you were right about what happens in the US doesn't affect you, but didn't the George Floyd riots affect Scandinavia too? I know people protested in Iceland and the UK as well. All these immigrants (and some native born) used an extremely insignificant event (death of an unknown criminal) in the US as a catalyst to vent their anger on European Americans and European Europeans, even tearing down monuments of native historical British figures in the UK. I'm not sure to what degree those protests affected Scandinavia, but the fact that they occurred at all there is disturbing.
I hope you can maintain Scandinavian history and identity. Scandinavia continuing to maintain it's identity is one thing that strengthens me as a Scandinavian American. We're a true minority (1% of America and approximately 4 mil. ethnic Danes, 4 mil. ethnic Norwegians and about 7 mil. ethnic Swedes). It wouldn't take much for us to disappear (btw, Scandinavian Americans will probably cease to exist as a distinct ethnic group in probably the next 2 or 3 generations).
@@Leif208 but that isn't really the same thing now is it. Sure some things that happen in America will affect us as well but not when it comes to our own history and country. All of our countries are filled with our history and Hollywood pop culture can't erase thousands of years of history, how much they tried. They don't have any power over us. It's not like Hollywood is the only source of entertainment we got over here. We make our own movies as well and I'll promise to be furious if we start changing shit about ourselves too. But as long as we natives still live in our native land, our history is still our own. It's different for you though, since you live in a country of ignorant dumdum's who don't know anything about anywhere outside your own borders. The old world will keep knowing its history, even if the new world keeps messing it up.
@@Leif208 sorry to hear about you guys though. I sincerely hope you can keep your ethnicity strong but I guess it's normal in a multicultural country that it all gets intertwined with each other sooner or later.
I honestly want to cry. 😢 Astrid is my favorite character. Why they do her dirty?! 😩
And the fact they want to make her an even more independent woman is scary to me.
She’s already is, but she still wants a needs hiccup with her.
THEY DONT NEED TO CHANGE HER! 😞
Astrid is already a stretch in realism of a female independent strong character as she is. It is about as much as you can go without it being ridiculous, and that makes her not good enough for feminists, so they need a remake. Feminism, again.
@@Go-ah-oold how??
Camicazi from the books is still better, more original too and not an abusive bitch, but I can agree.
WHAAAAT
HER AND HICCUP ARE SO CUTE TOGETHER AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THEY ARE GOING TO SNITCH THAT AWAY
When I did research for my cosplay of Astrid, I once stumbled on a blog of someone who cosplayed her and she went on to say that she was at first skeptical about Astrid because of what you mention in your comment of what they now want to make her. And once the blogger saw the animated movie, she saw that it wasn't so - like Astrid was so much more than "OMG strong female!!1!"
I honestly hope the fans of the franchise make their voices heard. Loud and clear. Push back is the only way to try to change their mind. I mean, look what push back did for Sonic.
Everytime I see a "race swap" or "gender swap" I can't help but wonder what story we MISSED by not creating a NEW character, setting and plot. Imagine instead of the movie "Blade" Hollywood had said "nah... just make Dracula black and tell the same story again."
Right?
These practices of race swapping, inclusivity/diversity for the sake of inclusivity/diversity and wokeness in general are ironically robbing us all of creativity, new stories that actually depict and represent a variety of cultures and experiences.
Shoehorning older, existing stories into a new mould is lazy and devalues the material and shows disdain for the audience.
Exactly. and all you need to do is throw in "Inspired by" in the credits. and you can have your cake and eat it too. just stop trying to rewrite history for your little election.
@@DABranche 100%
Have your fanfiction or spin-off into an extended universe of something. Go nuts! Just don't do so and try to call it a remake or reboot. That's straight up BS, be it regarding fiction or history.
Almost ironically, Vampire in Brooklyn is that movie.
But but but...
Dracula DID turn black!
It was when he caught a bit of sunlight to activate his melanin.
Right? 🤭
Born in 1987. The very first movie my mom and dad took me to in a movie theater, was Aladdin. Always remembered that experience as a highlight of my childhood. You know what NEVER came up before, during or years after I saw that movie? Anything political. Not once did I care about the color of anyone’s skin. The country that the story took place in. The amount of female or minority characters in the story. Whether or not the voice actor was of the same race as the way the character was portrayed. NONE OF THAT. Today, much of Woke Disney and Hollywood on the big screen and small screen feels COMPELLED to shove every bit of that down your throat at every single opportunity with ZERO subtlety or nuance. It’s agenda first, story second. “The Message” will always take precedent now and stories are always going to suffer under that foundation. I TRULY feel sad for the kids of today that will one day have to look back at this era as their childhood.
Imagine having Disney remakes as your nostalgia...
...horrifying.
@@phukyerpheefees That’s exactly what I mean. So frustrating…
I think most of the children these days have absolutely no interest in anything produced by Disney or Marvel. These movies are aimed at Millenial adults.
What are you talking about hetro normativity was always being shoved down our throat in old school Hollywood
@@cheesemakerkeesee395 Where would that be?
I think that as a civilisation, we can agree that we no longer wish for "live action" remakes of animation films. We tried it, we understood why the animation version was better and why it was an animation in the first place.
I really would prefer a return to old disney instead. Drawings look more magical than cgi. Original bambi was Beautiful!
A few years ago here in the UK, the BBC released a series of educational history videos for children. Their depiction of a "typical Roman British household" included a black centurion stationed on Hadrian's wall. They also included black people in their depiction of the Picts, an ancient tribe from modern day Scotland. This was part of their web-based education platform Bitesize, which is often used in schools. And I just got my third letter through the door from the BBC threatening me with a fine of £1000 if I don't pay their "TV License"- that's where us Brits are forced to pay £159 a year to watch TV. We have to pay to be lied to. This race-swapping shit has been happening for a while now- and not just with fiction.
Just go No-Licence. That's what we did. Only ever used the TV for playing on consoles. (We don't even have a TV now, it died and can't afford to replace it.)
Tell them to take their license and shove it
To be fair, we do have an account of an Ethiopian legionnaire at Hadrian's wall. There was also an Ethiopian slave who enlisted in the army, earned his freedom, and became a senator. However, this was far from the norm. The Romans had barely any presence in sub Saharan Africa to recruit from in the first place. As for the Picts, even the Scots today are overwhelmingly ethnically homogeneous
@@filmandfirearms The Ethiopian recruits were just that, recruits; who were not Romans, Picts, or anything other than Ethiopian. They were not centurions, they did not leave a lasting footprint on the country, and they did not take White wives and spread the next generation of mulatto children, which that Bitesize video did portray.
A lot of romans were dark skinned woolly haired men like paul from the bible.. and the entire 12 tribes are my people.. and so is moses etc.
If you think race swapping Cleopatra was big, you should check out how they race swapped Anne Boleyn in the series of the same name. Absolutely maddening.
Honestly the race swapping in Norse mythology always feels the most insulting, cause there just isn't any argument for it other then political like making a movie about Africa and race swapping the characters to be white.
Yes the only reason i could tolerate a black heimdal was because the actor played him well.
The same applies to Slavic and/or European mythology like Witcher. Especially black elves seemed ridiculous and funny because there is established group of dark skinned elves in mythology and these are called Drow. And they were considered evil and brutal 😅
I'm waiting for the "Roots" remake.
Chris hemsworth as Kunta Kinte. Can’t wait
So gods of egypt doesn't exist
As a female who’s half egyptian, it didn’t sit well at all with me when I saw it was a black woman playing Cleopatra. I may not exactly be from that time period, but it’s still half of my blood line. I even still hold a grudge from when they had Elizabeth Taylor play her from decades ago, and now they go the opposite direction picking someone? With a variety of people who got into acting, were they really short on options??? The casting director must have thought “That’s all there is? I guess we have to pick her since we have no other options that’s good enough. It can’t get any worse”
To be honest, Cleopatra was a very olived skin greek. But yeah i understand the frustration.
Yeah- it makes sense to choose someone who resembles what Cleopatra would have looked like (Macedonian, if I'm not mistaken?).
@@sportyeight7769 olive skins come in many complexions. 😑
To be fair, Elizabeth Taylor was very difficult on that film, but her attitude fit the part.
Queening it over everyone and everything was very costly.
Entitled Liz.
You know, there were no black Vikings... but lets put some perspective on this. Hollywood knows exactly what its doing.
yea, but kids born around 2010 and forward will think there were. and when/if they read an actual history book that describes the vikings as white as snow, they will get very confused and maybe even think that the author of the hostory book was a racist, rather than learning how it really was
@@rpals5412 couldn't agree more
Agreed but you still have to admit that Hollywood Viking aren’t realistic even before the race swaps
@@rpals5412 Exactlyyy
The J's r racist supremacists
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
That's deep, batshit.
100%
Just like with Star Wars.
So you are calling black people evil and good people white?
Ffs... the characters in HTTYD are VIKINGS. The vikings were a mixture of Scandinavian, Gael and Picts (Celts). They WERE. NOT. BLACK. OR. BROWN. They were very, VERY fair skinned. Enough is e-fcking-nough.
God, the fact they are trying to destroy my favorite childhood movie by race swapping Astrid is obnoxious. And I would like to add that Berk is canonically very, very cold. Fair skin would be the norm.
Nico Parker is European, and 75% white. She is not a black woman, she is a white woman. She's pretty damn pale. She's got more claim to play a Viking character, than your American ass has at complaining about it.
Ikr, the animated movie actually LOOKS scandinavian, but of course that's going to be ruined for the worse because of representayshON. God....another movie i'm already not gonna pay a cent in relation to.
Nico Parker is 3/4 white English
At this point, remake Red Dawn, but set it in North Korea and have the aggressors be people from Nigeria, but change nothing else.
The people who ask "who cares?" are the people who really don't care about the story to begin with. Why do they specifically care about me defending the stories I once loved? Maybe they should take their own advice and not care about my opinion like some crazy ex-girlfriend.
Exactly
Just saw an incredibly rich Twitter reply section where an artist drew a picture of a scene from the new live action remake of Little Mermaid, but in the old cartoon style with a White Ariel, and all the "LMAO, Why do you care so much about the race of fictional characters" types were absolutely losing their minds over it.
A lot of them were saying stuff like "Why would you deliberately change her race from the 'original' character?" which is hilarious, because it's a perfect argument against the existence of the live action remake.
@@stevenbrule5285 It's hilarious that these same people absolutely melted over an actual Hawaiian girl being casted as Nani. But oh no! She looked too "white", so that apparently is a cardinal sin from the church of Woke. I. Personally. Am sick of this crap.
Lol most of us leftists don't
I saw that. Her reasoning was she just thought the scene looked cool and wanted to see it in the style of the princess she grew up with. Absolutely nothing racial or hateful, but of course it became that.
Remember when someone posted a fake poster of Ryan Gosling as Black Panther? Some idiots called for whoever did it to be sent to prison or murdered … over a fictional character, no less?
As a person of Danish decent, paternal Grandfather actually from Danmark, Thank you for mentioning the Mermaid Statue in Copenhagen! My Grandfather taught me about that statue, I even had a brass plate of it. It's vastly important to the Danes.
Omg same
I think it is spelled Denmark in English. Your point is valid even as someone who has never been to Denmark 🇩🇰 we learn about that statue as kids.
Kamelåså
As a person of Danish decent also (my mother is Danish) I couldn't agree with you more. I know Ariel is fictional but her character has very important cultural roots and that should be respected and represented correctly.
@@josie_the_valkyrie Kamelåså
Disney should never, I repeat, NEVER make a live show about their animated films!!!
Honestly, it seemed like a great idea at first. Now, I wonder if they ever should have tried at all.
@@tolowokere I never thought it was a great idea. It’s just a way to make money all over again from exactly the same story, which is lazy and unimaginative. And they’re never as good as the animated originals.
Yep, they could’ve actually had a lot of success. If they did what I did with maleficent, where they did a complete reimagining of the story of sleeping beauty and threw in a couple of Easter eggs from the animated show.
So go back to the original source material do something completely new and then people aren’t going to be upset if you change something because you’re changing just bought everything.
Apparently they went back towards the original meth with Mulan, even though they apparently did the equivalent of having Robin Hood prancing around the Roman forum, when it came to eras of Chinese history.
Shhh, they're almost over...
It's actually a fabulous idea, it's just how they're going about it :P
Disney+ race swapped Annabeth from the Percy Jackson series. She was blonde, blue eyed girl and now she’s a black girl. Netflix race swapped Agatha who was a pale girl with dark hair to a black girl in The School For Good And Evil. I swear it’s everywhere
Disney didn’t though it was the creator Rick who did because he said his old cast of characters weren’t accurate of modern teens or something, but ya
“Everyone has to be represented”
Yeah, if race and sexuality is your entire identity and personality,it’s important to change the characters.
@@JesseRosy yes
What do you expect from "woke" racists and sexists trying to tell us, we are the ones "racist" and "sexist". Yet the first thing they notice is your skincolor and/or gender and sperg out, if you try to debunk them with logic. Fuck representation, man. Those woke people fetishized and weaponized race, sexuality and gender and call it "oppression", even if you give a fuck about it and treat everyone equal. They want to be turbo special, that's all.
If you are White you can't speak on this issue. STFU.
Read about what Narcissists do re: Disrespecting Boundaries, Self-absorption, Gaslighting, Re-writing Reality etc.
And you'll understand why the culture with seemingly institutionalized 'Narcissist Personality Disorder' do this.
Then read about 'Flying Monkeys' (the Narc's Abuse Enablers), and white Left-wingers supporting their fellow Narcissist will make sense too.
You seem to have assumed that "representation is important" means "representation is the only thing that matters about a person". Which no. I know you don't think things are that simple.
I hate that "white people" are generalised as American. I am American, but my family lineage is Norwegian. It sucks that movies cant have caucasians anymore because "white man bad." Also, there is a huge seperation between African "black people" and American "black people" nowadays, and a lot of the former dislike the latter, at least from my travels. My point is, like Sydney said, culture matters as much, if not more, than color of skin and to just ignore a culture because it "white" is incredibly irritating.
As a slavic-american, agree 100%. I feel like we don't even get mentioned. Nobody cares how 1/3rd of the country my great grandparents came from emigrated, mostly to here, and within 1-3 generations lost their language an culture in the push to become "more American".
Watching American media, i really can't associate with the classic "white male" portrait. My culture, way of moving in society and just overall attitude is just so different.
yea I'm scandinavian and hates to be put under one catagory, America is very different from us...
I'm mixed
White German mom black southern American dad. Whenever black people found out my mom is European they would say so she isn't white she is European. I've realized alot of poc see white as being white america. Not European
🤔 I guess no one like it when the shoes is on the other side.
Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
Deep down we all know there are different types of race ( distinctive futures, colours) among whites and blacks but our ignorance makes us racist towards each other. So be it everyone just categorise or put people in box.
Your 👉 black; your 👉 white.
Ignorant humanity 🤯
I love what you say about respecting cultures. When they tell me it's okay to portray vikings, Cleopatra and a Danish mermaid as black, I tell them it'd be okay to have a story about the Zulu empire with half the zulu cast played by white actors. That's when their diversity argument falls apart.
I can't help but laugh when I picture this, maybe have Shaka played by Chris Walken.
There are 1000s of shows featuring White cultures. Very very very few feature non-white. Let this sink it why they race swap with the current system.
@@Maxwell-mb7xn So make a movie about "black culture". What even is your point? Come up with some new ideas. Tell Hollywoke to actually have some brains and make new good movies about black people instead of portraying them in gangs. I see you're already getting "offended" by Monica's post which was exactly her point.
@@Maxwell-mb7xn i'm not quire sure if you realize how nonsensical your answer is. Create your own content instead of stealing from other cultures. Cause that's true cultural appropiation.
nope
As someone who struggles with having a disability; httyd spoke so loud to me because i could see myself in both characters. One of the many struggles i have to live with is being 29 and still not able to drive. And as an extrovert, its crushing not having that luxury of freedom and instead being dependent on someone just to be able to go do something. I was a classic disney fan and it breaks my heart how far they have fallen and to see now that one of the most powerful and inspiring movies in my life is now falling into this "woke" culture is truly heartbreaking. Whats next? Are they going to make toothless and hiccup not disabled now ontop of that?
Looking back 6 - 7 years ago it was really hard for me not to blow all my money at the cinema. Now I barely ever go to the movies anymore. Thank you woke Hollywood for teaching me how to save money
Hollywood needs to be stopped, period.
I don't know that it should be stopped completely, they do entertain us. Their division needs to stop though, catering to the few will weed out them out in time.
@@disgruntledegghead6923 Bread and circuses ring a bell?
@@devinbuettgenbach2941 you only eat the bread you want to, disregard the circus.
@@disgruntledegghead6923 I cant remember the last time i saw something out of Hollywood that entertained me... wait .... uhm... i think it was Resident E vil 2. lol
To be replaced by...what? Bollywood? Pittsburgh? Regional Theater? You wanna watch a movie? Someone's gotta pay to make it. There's always gonna be money behind it. You wanna movie culture where the makers are begging local dentists for a few bucks? It can't work.
"It's just a fictional character, why do you care?"
"It's just a folktale, why do you care?"
"It's just a documentary, why do you care?"
These three examples are why I care. Give them your hand and they'll take your entire torso with it.
5:40 “Doing the research…” It just makes me realize her “research” was likely limited to “Egypt is in Africa, so therefore, Egyptians must be black.” No racism there. More importantly, as a nation with major ports on the Mediterranean and Black Seas, as well as having a land bridge into Asia, it was a very cosmopolitan place where many people from other nations regularly mixed in with the population.
You know who really, REALLY cares about race flipping existing characters? The people who decide to race flip them, THEY care sooooo much because THEY decide to make the effort to do it in the first place.
Then they accuse you of caring too much for reacting to them doing it, telling us it's not important, yet felt the need to do it themselves
@@kurtismurton1331 Remember Scamber Turd and what mental health experts tell you about pathological narcissists. It's no use trying to reason with them. The only way for a narcissist to start empathizing with others, is to break them utterly and completely. They need their world and everything they value to be ripped from them. See Scamber Turd? Any normal person would have been broken by now after everything she's gone through. But not her, the narcissist in her still lives, still plots and keeps her antics, because her world has still not been utterly and completely destroyed. That mental illness that controls the host must be completely broken. But when they reach that breaking point, the majority of the hosts prefer to unlive themselves rather than letting go of the narcissist. To face how evil they are, all the harm they've done to others, most of them can't face it. But those who do, are the very few who have a chance at becoming normal human beings.
Consider all these people that make the powers-that-shouldn't-be as pathological narcissists, exponentially worse than Scamber Turd.
@@kurtismurton1331for real
@@kurtismurton1331exactly
I wouldn’t call it “swapping,” I’d call it White Erasure
It's also just cultural erasure on all sides.
If it's a story from a white or European culture, it most likely won't be authentic to the time period/setting because that isn't diverse enough.
And minority cultures lose out because instead of promoting a story from their own culture, their most mainstream forms of representation are just anglican culture with a different skin color.
And the insulting thing about Disney in this case in particular is with movies like Encanto and Luca, it's clear that they can in fact make movies at least somewhat accurately portraying a specific culture (or at least so I have heard, I am neither Italian nor Columbian). Is Disney that starved for publicity that they need to stir up controversy and actively destroy the cultural integrity of these movies?
@@gobygal nonwhite people do lose out by not having their own stories told, but that’s not the point of what they’re doing. I suppose you could call that collateral damage to some extent, but not really. This is about taking what’s important to our people and saying “this isn’t yours anymore.” They’ll continue until we stop them
No its not its called eatbup with the dumbass and they got it bad in california,Target,California,, lite ,ect.
@@CoolPapaJMagik no the movies ,bear,shopping it has one thing in common,what is it ? Money dont spend your money on trash . They wil bring down there own business. We don't have to do anything ,except not spend any of our money on there trash.
@@CoolPapaJMagikConsidering everybody is European now, the EU should tax them all.
Here is one of the greatest examples of not inserting your own message in an adaptation. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Peter Jackson stated they only inserted Tolkien's themes and messages. The result: the greatest trilogy ever made, in my opinion. 17 Oscars, and 20 years later this trilogy has stood the test of time and will continue to do so.
My husband is a huge Tolkien fan and he said Jackson did a damn good job. Of couse he had to do things to portray themes and the flow for a movie setting. But yes, it's a masterpiece. The studio ruined Hobbit for a money grab.
I am beyond grateful that the LotR trilogy happened before the wokeness insanity.
@@Unfiltered494 honestly the creators of rings of power have to be the worst writers , I swear if they try bringing back or making a new lotr movie they better be the writers of the three lotr movies
You realize that they had to add that female elf because there are like no women in the original book?
@@somegenerichandle🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Honestly, race/gender swapping is just really weird 99% of the time and full of double standards. Nick fury and heimdall are my sole exceptions, Samuel jackson and the other dude I don't know are the goats.
It's nice to see the intro getting more artistic and creative.
Also agree, stop race swapping, make... new.. stories
Evil can't create , evil only corrupts .
Sloppy seconds for brown people so white upper middle class people can pat themselves on the back.
@@stephenaustin142Retelling the story of J.C. is corruption if not told faithfully.
Who gets to tell His story?
Race-swapping white characters to minority (since, if it goes the other way, it's an international incident) demonstrates, to minorities, a lack of faith in original minority characters (which is, in truth a lack of faith in their own writing ability).
Ppl who bitch about ppl caring about race swapping clearly don't understand the importance of culture and it being erased. They r erasing white culture and their the same ppl who 10 years ago said who cares if someone identifies as a dif sex. And now they target our kids.
An article I read also said Astrid was just a stereotypical love interest role! That is so wrong. She was the leader of the dragon trainers. He just happened to like her. She was smart, strong, but still had faults. It's sad that a real good girl character (girl boss *eye roll) is immediately not good enough because she was white.
Ooohh god. How the hell is she "just a love interest"?! One could write essays about her representing the ideal viking teenager, with all the good and bad qualities that came with it in the film, and what her change of heart signified.
pers i wil always just watch the og movies and series i wil never watch a real life adaptarion but i can predict 1 thing hickup wil prob be made another peter pan useless. and that for me is already the nail in the coffin
This actress is white. Did you even spend time to look her up before you wrote this?
@@rocksteady6945 She's 1/4 Zimbabwean, and based on that thumbnail photo she most certainly considers that portion to be a core part of her identity, too.
@@rocksteady6945 she is not norse, nor looking norse, so she can not play a norse character.
With you, Sydney. I'm sick of it. Apart from anything else, it's so bloody patronising. I do not want to be socially engineered, thanks.
When nowadays directors use black-washing for their shows, they’re not saying to the poor young new actor ‘expect a lot of love, my friend. The fans are gonna love you coz you portrayed the character perfectly.’ They’re actually saying to them ‘expect a lot of negativity, mate. The fans are gonna hate you but just call them racists if they do.’
It's easy to stop Hollywood. I stopped going to the movies years ago. I don't do Netflix.
I've been done paying for this garbage for a long time. Of course the price of theaters doesn't help much. But I used to go every once in a while
The last movie I saw in theater was Dune and the last one before that was Blade Runner 2. I don't even remember what the last one before that one was.
Unfortunately it doesn't really do anything to boycott Hollywood. We live in the post profit era now, where companies only care about getting investment money and no longer need to make a profit or care about their customers.
They can make billion Dollar shows and movies that totally tank and all is well as long as they can convince a hand full of 60 year old fund managers, who wouldn't even watch their stuff if it were good, that they are successful and that their stocks should be bought.
All they need to do is to bribe a hand full of "journalists", manipulate the Rotten Tomato score, buy their own box office tickets and pretend all the negative actual independent reviews and comments on RUclips are just Nazis review-bombing them.
The clueless, stupid investment money keeps flowing and the actual audience can just go and die in a ditch for all they care.
Yep, don't get mad. Get the remote.
@@TrangleC when new people start making stuff and it does well people will take notice
Thats how you doit,stop spending any money on trash they produce.
"the character isn't real, why does it matter so much to you" is just basic every day gaslighting. They do something drastic, because it matters to them for their weird little agenda, then we call them out and say stop pushing your weird little agenda, and that's when they start gaslighting.
It mattered enough to them to make the change, clearly.
AFAICT "the character isn't real, why does it matter so much to you" slightly misrepresents the idea. The idea is more "the character isn't real, so it's okay if creators make alternative versions of it". Disney's live-action The Little Mermaid is a reimagining. An adaptation. The animated version is itself a reimagining of the original folktale in which the little mermaid sort-of-dies at the end. And the new live action film is a reimagining of the animated film, set in the Caribbean.
They haven't broken into your house and destroyed your copy of the animated film. You can enjoy that as many times as you like. This is a different version of the story...
@@verindictus3639 ...which is why I'd say it's *not* a 'change'. This is a slightly different character in a slightly different version of the setting. Think of it as an alternate universe, if you like. Just like MCU Thor is a dopey goofball very unlike comics Thor, because that's a different spin of the character in a different spin of the setting.
@@irrevenant3cool now explain Netfkixs Cleopatra to the Egyptians here.
@@ozmanoshe I think I was clear: Reimagining is reasonable and often beneficial in adapting a *fictional* story. History isn't fictional, and I disagree with Netflix's casting of Cleopatra. Cleopatra was of primarily Greek ancestry.
they will keep on doing that to everything. it's sickening
As a writer myself, I can’t imagine having my intellectual property be taken and twisted to suit someone else’s narrative of my work just because they want to push some agenda to make everyone feel included somehow. Fanfiction exists, but people aren’t making money off of that so are allowed to do what they want, but big Hollywood shouldn’t just ignore descriptions of characters so they can pander to someone else.
Yeah I would be so annoyed if people kept twisting my work. Reminds me of how they are now changing Roald dahls books and censoring it.
And this is one of the best concerns I've seen so far on this topic. If a writer creates a story , from no matter how far back, how is it ok to have his/her material taken and twisted so it no longer represents the original source material? Being a writer, artist, musician and having your material or vision essentially stolen and re-worked has to be disheartening. Even if that creator no longer exists....i'm sure his/her legacies are not thrilled.
Well, Crow, there are seldom times when a writer's story survives, wholecloth, into release. Stephen King has become sanguine about it and had decided once he lets it go, it's not his anymore. The Disney version of these old fairy tales we all so love did their own twisting of the stories (then immediately blocked anyone from using the stories they stole themselves). The D&I agenda is odious, I agree. What if one of your stories was twisted into an agenda you didn't intend, but that you found acceptable? Or even way better than your idea? Is that cool? What if it was twisted into something you initially hated, but agreed with upon reflection? Where should that line be? I don't have an answer, but wish I did.
Hey Hollywood give me money to make a documentary about Cleopatra, "A long Time ago in a Galaxy Far far away, women used the force to rule with unparalleled power, they were Jedi Warriors, and did Kung Fu, ..... I don't care what your teacher, books and historians say, my grandmother told me Cleopatra was Chinese.... starring Michelle Yeoh as Cleopatra and her trusty lightsabre.
It would really boil my blood if they change Merida (Brave), a Scottish princess to a black character. Being of the Scottish background, culture MATTERS!!
I didn't watch Cleopatra, as she was completely Greek, she was not Black at all her ancestors were Greek back to the foundation of the dynasty.
This effects people with a limited knowledge of history.
Hey practically she was part Iranian too:)
Those people that claimed she was a black woman made me want to facepalm hard.
That's the goal.
And Had a Plinket Smith couldn't act to save her life.
JADA not Hada
A PERFECT example of what you speak of is the musical play "Hamilton". My daughter, who was 9 years old at the time, said "I didnt know the founding fathers of this country weren't vvhite". I was like "what?!". Then I looked into it and found they replaced a bunch of the vvhite founding fathers with non-vvhite actors. Honestly the most annoying thing about it is we constantly hear about "cultural appropriation" from their side, yet nobody says anything about this? Furthermore, take Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Reggie Jackson, Mike Tyson, etc and have them portrayed by a vvhite man, and I guarantee you there would be an uproar you could hear from outerspace.
My daughter asked me why Tiny Tim in A Christmas Carol was black when his parents were white. Granted it was a theatre production in London but she didn’t get it. She thought it was stupid. People do believe things they see.
A historical person, who they are allowed to race-swap but they definitely won't do, is Adolf Hitler. I'd be happy if he would be portrayed by a black man.
Not to be nitpicky but what's with the double Vs? Just use a W
@@tdninternet9916RUclips will say you're comment is racist or something
I got dragged on FB for a bit because a friend of mine (white blonde hair blue eyed woman) asked if it would be offensive to cosplay as a character from Hamilton, and i jokingly accused her of cultural appropriation. Whew lad.
Hollywood: We need to represent minorities.
Also Hollywood: What's a Ginger?
You are the minority.. all races on earth have dark brown eyes and black hair only you devils have different eye and hair colours within the same race and even within the same family..
Hollywood: "Ginger"? You mean the spice?
Lol
obviously someone moved some letters around.
I am married to a ginger, and moreover, as long as Joshua Homme is alive, we have all the yummy ginger representation we need.
im black n' i totally agree. I never got the ''i wanna see someone like me on screen'' notion. I watched a variety of shoes growing up from Fresh Prince to stuff like Friends. I never looked at these actors for their race. I looked at 'em bc I was entertained enough to keep watching. I never Automatically gravitated towards a character just bc they're black. Hell, I loved OG Ariel's design [little mermaid] bc I love red hair on women. So I wasn't too happy w/ modern media race swapping her, Mary Jane [spiderman], April O' Neil [ninja turtles], and live action Starfire [teen titans.] I'm all for new characters and stories, but nobody wants to make a good show/movie, only diversity pieces.
PS; Don't hold back. i love how you tell it like it is and call out stupidity.
U are brown . No such thing as black . Its brown
Fun fact
In fate series.
Cleopatra is african
Alexander is african ginger
Giles de rais is blue bird
King Arthur is a blonde underage girl
The worst part is, if they changed the name of the mermaids (all of them), tweaked the buildings of the humans some, no one would have cared that the main mermaid was a different race. It could have been the same story, a whole new mermaid to love, and a whole new human for her to love. A sort of parallel story, but they had to rewrite the original. That is what get people upset.
Exactly. People scream "racism!" any time a white person dares to want a character to stay white, but most of us have zero issues with original characters who are people of color.
@Τίγρη Kogo One of the primary tenets of Marxism, though, is to destroy the culture, especially its icons. That’s all this is about.
@@englishatheart In art as well. I see a lot of people drawing characters with a different shade and be praised, but when the opposite happens (i.e., turning the character white-ish), immediately everyone explodes. It's sad to see that this happens a lot these days.
I just find it hard to believe that 12% of a population is all of the sudden 70% of the characters in movies and shows.
dnt blame us,,white liberals the ones pushing all this..we just too stupid to see its a lie
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12% of the population in the usa. In the world, they exceed the number of caucasians by at least a billion. Whites are the true global minority
Excuse me, 12 percent of WHICH population exactly? Where are you getting your numbers from? Citation, please, because this just smacks of BS.
@@MrsTavington USA census figures are about 12-13% of the American population is blakc. In Great Britain it's about 3%. Did you not know this until now??
I agree with you! The race-swappers of today are just racists. I as a male middle age Swedish "white" person have no problem to love and relate to characters in normal or fictional stories even if that person is a Naabi, elf, hobbit, dwarf, African American, native American, African (north south our central), Asian, Middle East or from any place in a fictional or real environment. And no matter if it is a female or male or anything ...
The modern kind of race swap today is like making a new film about Shaka Zulu and have an asian person play him. ...
Justifying it with saying that older times movies did race swapping does not make it right. It was wrong at that time ... and it is wrong and rasist today.
Exactly. And honestly it would be really cool if more folk tales/fairy tales from different countries were represented in animated or live action movies.
I'm currently listening to a series of detective stories set surrounding a female detective in Botswana. It's so much fun to learn a little bit about the history and culture, and is in no way an impediment to connecting to the main character.
@@advena996 Yeah, there're tons of tales around the world that can be made films or series.
Thank you sooooo much for saying white people aren’t a
Monolith!!!! I’m black and I get mad when people act as if white people have no culture or variance. It’s a rude ass thing to say or believe. In this huge world? What kind of thing is that to think?
A racist and uneducated one.
A racist one. And as a black person, let me tell you... Black people (specifically in America and spreading more and more into other western countries...) are racist as shit.
In all honesty though its literally hard to tell the physical difference between a white British person & a white French person, just sayin
@@Black-ICE92 lol yea that’s pretty common in races unless you’re surrounded by a lot of people of that race. No chance I could tell the difference between a Ugandan and a Nigerian lol.
You’re not black obviously
I'm a straight black man, a writer, and a geek. I'm all for creating new, alternative visions or versions of characters.
I am *not* for telling historically inaccurate stories or race/gender swapping merely for the sake of "wokeness".
If you truly want to "represent", people, represent them *correctly.* That's where authenticity and _integrity_ lay.
I have to disagree, I think anyone should be able to play any character as long as they are representing them in a sincere way, not parody. For centuries we've seen historical figures portrayed in paintings a certain way that represent that culture. Same exist now, we live in a very diverse culture so of course our media would reflect that.
WHY???? Honestly? Just WHY?
"new alternative versions of characters" imho is code for "I'm empty and can't create anything original so I stoop to taking away from what other creators did".
Original characters'... characters, AND identities, ARE the appeal. Super Mario's appeal is that he's Italian, James Bond's appeal is that he's British, Mulan's appeal is that she's Chinese and Dom Toretto's appeal is that he's a black american, with all the cultural diverse characteristics that brings into play. Through these characters people all over the world from all different cultures learned to like and appreciate and love cultural characterstics of these people.
You can creatively draw Super Mario as a Japanese woman, re-imagine James Bond as a trans male native to Honolulu, make Mulan a 67 years old Norweigan man and envision Dom Toretto as a French woman, but ALL you are doing is destroying the original characters and REDUCING the diversity we ALREADY have. If you want more diversity, don't take Harry Potter and make him a Japanese girl to show off Japanese schooling system; create a new Japanese girl character and an original story. That way we will have MORE. Using Harry Potter for this, is making us have LESS. And making it from predominantly American point of view - is just making everything the SAME.
I don't know if I'm making myself clear: diversity IS in the distinct cultural identity. We love Lord of the Rings for it's britishness, we love the Witcher for it's Slavicness, we love the Romance of the Three Kingdoms for it's... "chineseness". Doing what Amazon did to LotR and what's done to the Witcher TOOK AWAY the identity we loved and replaced it with generic everyday boringness.
And I'm talking about stories and characters, not ACTORS. Nobody batted an eye for Lamborghini and Rasputin - two historical figures of Italy and Russia - being played by an American and a Welsh respectively in latest Holywood editions. Why? Because they ACTED OUT the Italian and the Russian identity. Which is not only accurate, but also THE appeal of these characters. Would it be fun to draw Rasputin as a half naked Aztec helping Montezuma fight off the Conquiscadors? Yes. Would it also be tremendously stupid to do? Also yes.
To conclude, I believe the only actual "re-imagining" worth doing is one that BOOSTS the character. For example, Disney's classic animated Robin Hood. Who ever came up with those animals to represent Robin Hood characters was a genius. Because it made them MORE themselves, not LESS.
@@codinghusky5196 other than the lazy writing, I don't see the issue, I just don't; not enough to create the outrage that come from mainly the right although sometimes from the left...
@@logical_sanity7618 Imagine "The Colour Purple" with an all white cast for the sake of making it culturally inclusive.
@@Tanson32 I see your point but I would say in that scenario it's different because of the theme, and the message they are trying to convey; other movies like Ghostbusters or I guess in this case The Little Mermaid doesn't have a specific sentiment. Would you agree with that?
I think the fact the race swapping is always in one direction and is almost always the protagonist in the story to be quite revealing in their true motivations.
It is just black supremacy/black worship/simping at this point. They are catering to the most fragile of demographics - self loathing whites and black supremacists.
Black Viking girl named Astrid as black... wtf?
Your white supremacist motivations are clearly revealed.
No more white male heroes!!! Only blacks...or Hispanics...or women. Preferably gay, lesbian, or "non-binary".
It's because it's been the opposite direction for all of history until now.
Interesting point. In the ORIGINAL (non-Disney) Aladdin story, Aladdin WAS in fact Chinese; and the whole story took place in China.
What bothers me more is how the black actors (and community) seem content with the sloppy seconds and scraps that they are being fed. I cannot fathom why they aren’t more vociferously outraged by this treatment. What unique, amazing, and inspiring original black stories and characters has Hollywood and Disney created for them lately?
Chinese girls got Turning Red and a Mulan Remake, Italians got Luca, Pacific Islanders got Moana, South and Central Americans got Encanto and Coco, Southeast Asians got Raya and the Last Dragon, Blue aliens got Avatar 1 and 2, Scottish gingers got Brave, heck, even Elves got an Onward movie… What have young black people got since The Princess and the Frog FOURTEEN YEARS ago? Sloppy seconds, hand-me-downs, cheap and lazy race swaps, pandering, virtue signaling, and tokenism. Where every single time they’ve been left to face the inevitable fan backlash on their own for merely accepting the only jobs on offer.
I grew up in Africa. The richness, history, diversity, and majesty of the myriad cultures spanning the continent is mind boggling, yet what has Hollywood done to capture it and offer something unique, captivating, inspiring, and worthy for such audiences? Fuck all is what!
In fact, Hollywood has so little interest in making genuinely original content promoting black culture and so little confidence in that same market that it has to resort to what it has been doing lately. Riding the coattails of the characters, culture, history, legends, myths, stories, folklore, literature, movies, of other predominantly European and white cultures and race swapping and Trojan Horsing them willy nilly, in whatever roles they think will score them some easy brownie points. (Pun absolutely not intended…. but in hindsight…also absobloodylutely intended).
They literally put out a Macbeth movie last year with Denzel fucking Washington as the 11th century Scottish Lord! WTAF!?! They could have just as easily made a captivating and unique hit drama about King Shaka. But nooooooo. Sorry not sorry. Your race and culture doesn’t deserve that! You’re not worth it. You get a “reimagining” of a famously white Scottish character written by a famously white British playwright instead. Now shut up and thanks us for being so “generous” and “diverse”.
Yeah it's lazy and you put it in a way I can't. You hit the nail on the head
As a black person u hit the real issue. Even back in the 90s, black original movies barely sold to white audiences so Hollywood gave up and is lazy so they now shoehorn black people in European culture to fix the issue of "diversity". The solution is simple:Make MORE BLACK AND LATINO ORGINAL MOVIES THATS NOT DISNEY RELATED AND SUPPORT THEM
You articulated that perfectly. You are right on.
As a black woman I don’t care about sloppy seconds. I do prefer original black characters but I must admit it brings me much joy to see white people angry for being race swapped. I like to read angry white comments. I like that there are RUclips channels dedicated to white anger for being race swapped. It’s gives me hours of pleasure reading the comments from frustrated white people. And yes white people if you want to play Martin Luther King do it! Black people don’t care about that. We just enjoy seeing you all upset.
@Pinkypunks32 that takes actuall effort and marketing. Hollywood uses race swaps to piss of the already established fan base to rile up controversy and get eyes on the topic. All publicity is good publicity when you just label all decenters as racists
As an African of Zimbabwean descent who's a writer, a history buff who hopes to be an animator in the future and has made TONS of OCs from various countries and ethnic groups (who I've done my level best to try and flesh out and write well,of course),I'd like to mention the unanimously agreeable fact that race swapping SUCKS!! This instance hurts especially. The OG HTTYD takes place in a sort of Middle ages Scandinavia long before slavery or the slave trade were a thing,so them making Astrid Black is not just forced,it's just plain inaccurate(if they ever use the excuse that her parents are immigrants from an African country). Just give us original POC characters with ACTUAL PERSONALITIES instead of race swapping an already established character and pretending that their still the same character!
Thank you. But you're probably making way too much sense for some people.
This is nothing new! Hollywood has been whitwashing characters for years. If it bothers you, turn off the television!
@roseunderworld I come to RUclips looking for biscuit recipes and this nonsense pops up in my feed.
I feel that race swapping is another form of whitewashing. It pressures a black or poc person into a white mold and eradicates their cultural background. If they really want more diversity, they need to create diverse roles. Cleopatra was white. And she's part of the long history of white colonialism and making her black steals from black history. There have been black Pharaohs before her. Some of them even female. But her hellenistic family robbed the black bloodlines of their throne. That's an important part of Egyptian history. Making Cleopatra black, whitewashes the black representation by for one eradicate the Hellenic influence on the culture of Egypt and thus for makes Cleopatra's white character traits into a role model for black people, and second it cleans up history and removes another example of oppression and forced change. And I really can't understand why black people are allowing this.
Exactly your country and culture has so many legends and folklore that could be used to make an original movie or show so why isn't Hollywood and Disney trying to make those stories. I'm sure they would be good if they did.
I’m also sick and tired of redheaded characters being blackwashed!
Me too
Totally agree; if a character is established then don't mess with them. People 'of colour' aren't the only ones who don't like their culture messed with. I don't see Disney lining up a white actress for Tiana in a live action Princess and the Frog.
People want to watch good films with good stories not have political ideologies pushed at them.
When I was little playing at being a specific Disney princess was about imagination. I didn't have to see a 'white Jasmine' to connect with her character or float around the house singing 'A Whole New World' horrifically out of key....
The best reaction people can have is no reaction. Give Hollywood, Netflix, Disney etc zero feedback. Just refrain from watching their content. They’ll get the message.
No they won't. If telling them what they've made is trash only encourages them to make more, then not paying any attention to them will only make them scream louder and be even more obnoxious than they already are.
Exactly. Look at Budd; if people just criticised them it wouldn't have made a difference. But because people stopped buying their product and they've lost around 16 billion in the process now they suddenly try to walk back the mistake they made.
Long gone are the days where logic and decency are the primary currency. These woke clowns only listen when they're bleeding money.
Seriously stop making these movies over a billion dollars and they'll stop making them!
I literally refuse to pay for God of War Ragnarok because of the race swap. That shit incenses me. If I ever do play it, I'm looking for a mod that undoes the damage.
Truth. Hard to do. But Truth.
Sydney left out one highly salient point. Film is an inherently visual medium, therefore every aspect of a character's appearance is part of the story, including costume, makeup, special effects, and yes, even race. Small changes to any of those features can have a significant impact on how the audience perceives the film.
Exactly what I think, too. :-)
PREACH SISTER 🙌🙌🙌 you SPEAK the TRUTH!!!
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Film was a visual medium. That's why actors were cherry picked to play certain characters. Now, it is meaningless. They just random pick any actor to play any role and voila! Deal with it. Who cares that you see a still from a movie and have absolutely no idea who is who?! It is your problem. You are the problem that you have a strict depiction of that character in your sick head.
yep explains what happened to the first sonic movie. they didnt stick to the source material close enough.
Yeah, for the Astrid casting... they can't tell me they couldn't find a blonde lady for the role. And the thing that drives me absolutely nuts about the arguments over the live action Ariel is that we all know for a fact that if she had been black originally and was changed to white, (which for the record, I wouldn't be happy about either).there would be no talk about "it doesn't matter bc she's a fictional mermaid!" They should just say what they really think, which is that race swapping is ok as long as it goes from white to any other ethnicity. Just be honest!
It's absolutely the double standard that annoys the hell out of myself and many others. The left is so inconsistent and illogical that I have no idea how anyone can call themselves "left wing" these days. Look at how the left freaked out about Ghost in the Shell saying she had to be Asian when in fact the anime had her white to start with.
But as soon as they change traditional white characters, you're a racist if you don't like it.
In reference to the Little Mermaid remake...most people don't like the live-action remakes. There is no pleasing us, after you go there, really.
My daughter made me take her to see "Alladin". When she was young. She liked it, 'cuz she was too young to know better. She is 14 now. She mocks the live action remakes. She won't spend HER money on any.
Take spiderman: Into the Spiderverse. Absolutely no one complained that the main character is Black. It was a good movie & that's all anyone cared about.
In summary, in the fictional race-swapping, it is part of lazy creative process. If they were striving for excellence, we'd have no problem. But, they aren't striving for...well, even good-enough. In short, the race swapping is a symptom
Thanks Sydney, just stumbled over your channel... this is the first video I have seen and I needed this so much. Yay, there are people left, who are able to use their common sense. And are willing to do so publicly :) I will stay tuned!
I agree. Keeping movies or stories how they where originally made was better. The race swapping that Disney is doing pisses me off.
Ppl who bitch about ppl caring about race swapping clearly don't understand the importance of culture and it being erased. They r erasing white culture and their the same ppl who 10 years ago said who cares if someone identifies as a dif sex. And now they target our kids.
*White Erasure
In the case of How To Train Your Dragon it's a Dreamworks blunder, not Disney. But Disney is no saint. I was actually holding out hope that Dreamworks wouldn't pander but apparently they are. GGs, time for a new movie studio.
Don't get pisxed off ,just don't spend your money on any of it. Let your money do the talking for you.
@@bennieknape4857 No, I will be very pissed off about the White erasure in media and not spend any money at the same.
The Princess and the Frog actually made the race swap make sense. They changed the location and enough of the story that it was fresh and new while also being an adaptation. I thought those changes justified having Tiana be black, plus she was written well and was an engaging and likable character. It's not one of my favorite movies, but I do think that's an example of race swapping done right. So what they're really doing is laziness. They could adapt any story into an entirely different context and justify switching the races of the characters. They aren't doing that. They're just race swapping the character and assuming that alone is representation. In some cases, I don't really have an issue with it. As long as the actor is genuinely the best one and the character isn't specifically tied to a culture or hasn't been portrayed the same way for a long time only to suddenly switch it, there's no harm in it. It's the laziness that gets to me.
*It's like when suddenly Cinderella got Race Swapped in the last seasons of Disney's Once Upon A Time TV Series like: What the actual Fuck!?!*
Yes! Like how Jane Austen remakes have been done cross-culturally e.g. 'Bride and Prejudice' is the Bollywood version of P&P. It's funny, unique, has a nod to the source material but is creative all by itself too.
@@katieociardha2196 i loved that movie. i'm not indian but i memorized all the songs and their dance numbers. wonderful film!
Very true!
for ult fans such as myself, its preferable to align the specific details in the originals with the live action movies. However, I doubt the need to be against race swap, IF the whole set is changed to accommodate the new script adaptation that accurately makes sense so its no where DISRECTFUL to the original creation and to those that loved it. There's nothing wrong with making a different version BASED on the original, but its morally sickening when the intent is to replace or steal a role just to be inclusive. It's all on INTENT/QUALITY/HONOR&PRIDE.
It comes down to AUTHENTICITY. Being true to the original character, folklore, customs, story, etc., makes it more sincere, genuine, and honest. This is true whether it's race-swapping, gender-swapping, sexual-orientation-swapping, or whatever else HW types want to swap these days for the sake of D&I. Just stop, FFS PLEASE.
As a Norwegian i am actually okay with Nico, she isnt fully black, but sorta tan, which still is unrealistic for vikings, but i can work, and we had brunettes with brown eyes... But that isnt my problem, Astrid is a white girl with blonde and blue eyes... if nico wore a blonde wig then i'd be fully okay with it, but she dosent so that just ruins the character... Im so tired of race swapping all the time...
When I first heard about the Little Mermaid remake, I heard the argument, "are you really getting mad over a mermaid? Mermaids don't have a race." Ok. Every time DISNEY'S Little Mermaid, Ariel, has depicted since 1989, she's always had: red hair, white skin, blue eyes, a purple starfish bra and a green tail. Even in the other disney films, like Wreck It Ralph 2 and the Sofia the first, Ariel always looked the same UNTIL the Live Action (when the height of BLM-George Floyd was happening).
Being totally honest, after listening to Halle's voice, she's a fine Ariel; HOWEVER, the worst thing about the remake is Disney decided to, "renovate it for a modern audience." When you "renovate" a classic for a "modern audience," you ruin it. Just look at Mulan. Instead of following the original movie where she trains and earns the respect of her peers and Shang, they made her a badass from birth, cut Shang (because imagine your strong independent woman falling for *gasp* A MAN!) and Mushu out of the movie. THEY EVEN REMOVED I'LL MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU, ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC DISNEY SONGS OF ALL TIME!
People want Live Actions to be as close, if not a copy, of their original source material. They want the actors to look like the characters they're portraying and they ESPECIALLY dont want the story to be "renovated."
Very articulate very well stated👍🌹
Hans Christian Anderson (Danish) wrote and published "The Little Mermaid" in 1837. That being the case, many Danes feel that it is part of their culture ... Denmark isn't known for their racial diversity ... especially 200 years ago. However, most people I know who are annoyed by this stuff are more annoyed by the hypocrisy, not the swap itself. You will NEVER see a swap go the other way just because the best actor available happened to be white. Basically saying that the people making that argument about "mermaids being fictional so why do you care?" are ignoring the very argument that they would make if the situation were reversed.
I generally agree, but I have a problem with people acting as though the "original" movies did not do the same thing back in the days. As though this was a modern thing.
Just take The Little Mermaid for example:
The "original" Disney movie heavily changed the whole message for the modern audience at the time.
In the original fairytale Ariel never gets the prince. In fact she even considers killing him to save herself in the end. And if I remember correctly (my childhood was a long time ago) Ariel in the end had to atone for 300 years.
It's not just a very different story but also a completely different message.
If merpeople have no race, then why the hell Disney was so careful to represent every single human race in Ariel's sisters? And importantly, they still have HUMAN races - there are white mermaids, black mermaids and asian mermaids. Noone ever thought there would rather be "fish"-coloured merpeople there, some of them bright orange and some dark blue, green or red? That would be a much more interesting and more "authentic" (i.e. correlating with our knowledge on how the underwater biology works) representation, and that still would be representation! But no-no, the soya latte drinkers have to see EXACTLY themselves even in merpeople!! How selfish!
There’s many things wrong with the live action little mermaid. Creepy CGI Sebastian Flounder and Scuttle, making her sisters all different races and changing their names, ruining the songs kiss the girl and poor unfortunate souls.
Burying the lead. Showing us the casting of Astrid first is to soften the blow of the real casting swap. As you all know, Astrid's father-in-law is Stoick........a redhead man. You all know where this is leading.
Look they need to just Cast Gerard Butler and be done with it…tell him to slap on 20kgs grow his hair and dye it red! And bobs your uncle!! It’s just not HTTYD without him!!
The gingercide is so mind-bogglingly specific it smacks of the bigotry of a single powerful individual.
@@Iron_Dan2287 I think Kristofer Hivju (Tormund Giantsbane from GoT) would have been a good choice...?
I don't care im not going to spend a penny on this trash .
His sexuaity wasn't shoved in our faces
If it’s important enough to change with malicious political intent, it’s important enough to resent and resist!
Write a new story with original characters? What an idea! The trouble with this idea is that it requires talent and creativity. Not going to happen.
It WILL happen, just wait!
It happens, just not from Disney
@@bigbeng6041Indie films (some not all) if you find them, discover good original stories.
Being Swedish/ Norwegian/ German/ English, i see trading a blonde Viking as a huge problem.
Not being Scandinavian or even blonde i too see trading Vikings with people of appearances that could not have possibly be found in those locations at those times also disturbing.
Who knew black vikings were a thing of the past
My school books and biology books are lying to me
i’m exactly all of those ethnicities, for me i feel the same way about Frozen 2. I feel if they wanted to put a black Lieutenant in such a high position for a royal army, they could have done something to highlight the rarity, the possibility of that happening being second to none, honoring black trailblazers in Norwegian history.
the way they depict it as completely historically accurate felt off to me, but then again it’s a fictional story about a magic princess so i guess it doesn’t matter that much lol
I also have heavy norwegian background. It's so annoying when people think they can rewrite history. I'm just not watching it. It's so weird and almost racist for viewing life this way. It's like they are trying so hard not to be racist that it's just racist. Hollywood is full of weirdos.