Are Caitlin Clark Fans Correct About Indiana Fever Coaching?
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Robin discusses the angry reaction from Caitlin Clark fans to the Indiana Fever's performance thus far this WNBA season and the criticism of coach Christie Sides.
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You cannot draft Clark, and then continue with the same sucky approach that left you 13-27 last year. Allowing last year's players to have the lead or play point is just seeking a repeat of last year's "suckyness." Give Clark the helm . . . You certainly have nothing to lose.
Give her the helm so she can turn the ball over 8 times while making 35% of like 20 shots? She is simply not ready for that much responsibility at this level as is seen by her poor play without all that much responsibility. Also a team can be 13-27 for a multitude of reasons and for all you know they may well have had a worse record if they had a different coach last year..
She barely had a chance to practice to with the team. They NEED practices inorder for everyone to figure out their roles.
@@cobra7282 , but who else on this team is? As I said, if you go with last year’s approach, you’re going to get last year’s results… Again, there’s nothing to lose.
Just how fast do you want her to turn into a "bust"? She comes into the Association with an astronomical amount of hype, but no physical advantages. She's not quicker, faster, stronger, longer, and can't jump higher than the opponents she will be facing. The only possible advantage that she has is her confidence from coming off of a hugely successful college career. Her coach put her at the 2 against New York because putting the ball in her hands against Connecticut was a disaster (10 turnovers) and she was hoping that Clark would find some success as a spot up shooter. Expecting Clark to dominate and take over games is unrealistic.
@@janellejacobsen2344 How is that true if the roster isn't exactly the same as last year. Just because an approach doesn't work doesn't mean the approach is flawed, but maybe you just don't have enough talent and therefor the approach doesn't really matter.
Absolutely any coach that constantly says “I have to check the tape to see who was in during that good run” has no idea what is happening on the floor. The coach has no court vision and ability to correct. Running the wrong players together and refusing to correct her mistakes. There is plenty of talent on that team but they will look like crap if they have no direction.
I played under Donna Cheatham (Indiana Hall of Fame most winning womens basketball coachin the history of Indiana) and then went to Bama. I know a good coach when I see one. Sides is not it.
@@windi6I played basketball for 16 years...and yes I've had AAU coaches better than this chick
Worse. It isn’t that they have no direction. They have WRONG direction. Clark has complied to an extent in an attempt to be a team player. The sooner Clark stops listening to Sides, the better. And someone please tell Boston to shoot off the pass or rebound and stop bringing the ball to waist level every time she touches it!
If it's cool for you guys to be calling for the coaches head after two games than it is okay for me to start calling Clark a bust already. That's how it works right?..
@@cobra7282 two games? Try two seasons of coaching a losing team. This is her first head coaching job. Last year she said she didn’t have the right assistant coaches in the right positions and she needed more talent. You can only blame the players for lack of talent for so long. If you don’t know what to do with the talent you have, it’s not the right job for you.
She needs to be at the 1, period. When that coach FINALLY put her at the 1 with a few mins left in the 3rd, Caitlin led them from down 23 to down 9. Then the coach puts her at the 2 and the lead goes up to 30
Amazing.
BRING IN BLUDER!
That was because the Sides then brought both Wheeler and Boston back in the game. In my opinion Boston does not play smart , does not kick out to the open player especially when shes triple teamed.
agreed why draft her if you dont want her at the 1?
@@jmsmikeyBluder will never coach again. She’s retired!
I was shocked to see how slow Boston is moving up and down the court. She was often behind the the player she was try to guard. I was surprised to see how often Clark was stuck over in the corner, not getting the ball on offense. Why not let CC shoot 20-25 times instead of 8, how could it get any worse? 3s will win the game, not low percentage long 2s. CC needs to take charge of the offense. The coach is in over her head.
@@Bradss5252 It just shows how bad coaching and management in this league is. They should cut her and pick up a draftee. Anyone who returns after their first season out of shape should be dumped. They should be much better prepared after having time to train between their 1st and 2nd season. If there is physical regression, a player should be dumped immediately. This league is too much about "supporting families" than good basketball. There is too much of a bias for older slow players.
Low percentage long 2s? Seven of her eight shots were from 3 point range.
CC should be getting minimum 20 shots a game.
@@dashx1103 It is her second game and her team isn't doing any better. I would be more worried about the slowness of vets on this team. Why is a 2nd year player like boston looking slow when she had the entire off season to train? Rookies get 4 weeks after the NCAA tournament which means they don't get to train at all. It makes no sense that a vet can show up unprepared and not get replaced by a new draftee.
The lack of rebounding effort was ridiculous.
@@dashx1103in general the math makes more sense to take 3s rather than long 2s.
Caitlin Clark is not a shooting guard guard. She’s your #1 Draft Pick Point Guard. Eric’s Wheeler needs to go the bench.
You have a FARRARI sitting IN the GARAGE Jordan Rules . Caitlin Clark Rules are definitely real.
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They can trade Erica Wheeler for Kate Martin and let Clark go to the point that will solve the problem; another team could use Wheeler's skill set. Also, trade Boston to a team that plays a half-court, feeds the post style, and brings in a center like the Monica who played with Clark at Iowa. Everybody's style doesn't mesh. If Clark wants to play with players more like the players she played with at Iowa, then let's make that happen. There is no need for players who can't fit in to be hung out to dry with all the vile remarks and venomous criticism.
Stop blaming other people for you people being wrong you were warned she’s isn’t hitting shots and she can’t dribble
@@politicallil7060… I agree with both of your suggestions. Monica would be a better fit than Boston. Boston hesitates way too much. Lacks confidence. And AB has no motor and quickness. Maybe AB will hold her own against lesser post players, if there are any in the W. Martin may not add anything on the floor, but it could be an addition by the subtraction of Wheeler. OTOH, Wheeler would probably help the team coming off the bench to spell CC at point. So benching Wheeler for a more defensive minded shooting guard might help a lot. I think the Fever have three players on the bench that could do that. Martin could do that off the bench. Regardless of who they put at shooting guard, that player needs to know how to comeback for the ball to relieve pressure off CC. Then get it right back to Caitlin.
Ferrari's always broken down buddy
The problem is now people who don't follow or watch basketball...will all of a sudden become armchair coaches
uh..i think the problem is that this is wnba's chance, but the never-watchers will become never again-watchers
Doesn’t take coaching experience to notice how horrendous the Fever are
Everyone knows about basketball and never player the game.
Clark’s lethality come from her ability to kill you with the pass or her scoring. When Sides puts her at 2, the coach takes away 50% of her game. Wheeler is an offense killer, too much head down dribble dribble.
she had 10 turnovers in her first game. she still needs to adjust to the speed and athleticsim of the pro game. until then, just giving her the ball to let her "cook" will only result in more turnovers, poor games, and losses.
@@Allisongayle01 moving her to the 2 builds no experience for her. It’s a step backwards.
It’s not the coach fault. It seems like a lot of y’all are not giving the other players credit who’s going up against Clark.
Damn she's a rookie she doesn't know the pro game.
Clark lacks ball handling and shot creation skills....she commits far too many turnovers to be point guard......
Caitlin might make mistakes, however, the coach is playing in the same way as before and failure protocol.
I think Caitlin is making more turnovers than she should be, but if you look at the Fever's game, you'll notice that 75% of those turnovers are caused by her teammate's inability to handle her passes. Ailyah Boston is really bad at catching balls cleanly when she is in the post. In Caitlin Clark's last two seasons at Iowa, those passes were caught cleanly by Hannah Stuelke and scored. I know that Boston was the rookie of the year last year, but I'm not impressed.
The games I watched they don't even look like they are running an offense. Pass it to a player and then they try to play one on one.
Wheeler should have been cut in preseason.
@@RealPackCat she's the coach's friend. her spot is guaranteed. they do have too many guards and their bigs are not elite. Idk how Boston won ROTY last year. she looks like their worst player out there so far and she got boxed out by a 5'9" 140lb player.
This is not college.
this HC couldn't Coach sixth graders... get rid of her
I was just saying she's not even AAU worthy
@@lilikaramirez1848 amen to that
Such an idiotic take. You don't get a pro coaching job without some real credentials and ability. You could argue she is not suited for this roster, but to say she can't coach 6th graders is just silly.
@@cobra7282 She not suited for this roster. The lineup doesn't match her old school planning. The team drafted Clark #1. They must fit the team around her, otherwise her talent will be wasted.
@@cobra7282 test
Just fire the coach and get someone who knows how to maximize clarks talents and build around it. It's not this hard.
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@@jmsmikeyas an Iowa WBB season ticket holder I’m telling you Bluder will never coach in the WNBA, ever! She retired because (1) the time was right (2) her husband is retired and she wants to spend more time with him and her kids.
Just get rid of CC, she is clearly a bust. Oh I can't say that after just two games? Hmmm..
@@ronm6359 you don’t need to be a season ticket holder to figure that out. That’s not a knock on being a season ticket holder. I wish I was one. Go Fever, Go Caitlin. YOU are 100% correct, on coach Bluder and having a seat that many of us wish we had!
@@varj7 just saying I’ve been around Iowa WBB for a LONG time and I’ve seen what Bluder does off the court, not that I know her personally but she is quite active in the community. She need her family and her family needs her. She has her priorities in the right order.
CC needs to carry a whole team in the WNBA like she did in NCAA. But her teammates in WNBA have no chemistry with Clark.
I totally agree...but it takes time to build championship chemistry. While I'm not convinced from what I've seen so far, I am hopeful the Fever can eventually get a clue that taking a sledgehammer to a diamond is not going to make it shine.
I don’t think her teammates would make the team on another team. They fucking suck
Nor do they seem to want any, and neither does her Coach
@@CharlieBrown-qd8vc 🤣🤣
Correct
Sides was the assistant coach in Indy from 2017 to 2019. Record of 28-74. Wheeler was there. Sides was assistant with Atlanta in 2022. Record of 14-22. Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the idea was to bring in a coach with a history of success when dealing with a failing team. Not bring back the assistant who helped create that losing environment. I was led to believe that there would be a fast paced offense moving in transition. Of course your bigs have to also run. I was led to believe in the pick and roll. Non existent. Teammates and coach say they need to help CC when double teamed. When is that going to occur? Maybe it already has. Dont give her the ball is Fevers way of helping her out. Get the ball to the bigs. 😅 Been just as ineffective. Let's give control of the offense to Erica Wheeler. Yeah, let's take our Ferrari off the racetrack and put her in the garage.
There is too much favoritism for slow vets in this league. Sides having been an assistant for the team means she is too friendly to be a head coach in a league where a lot of coaches and vets are way too friendly. The WNBA doesn't pay much, but they pay enough to snag a good men's high school coach that knows what he is doing and won't pander to older players "trying to feed their family". That crap line is repeated way too much by older players in this league. If I was feeding a family with wnba pay, I'd be training for speed in the off season.
Assistant coaches do not get credit or blame for the team's record. The fact you are bringing that up now is a bit suspect..
@@cobra7282 It matters because it explains loyalty to older players. I watched two games and I would only hire coaches from outside the league for this very reason. Before Bill Lambier got watered down by this league wide mentality, he went from losing team to a championship in his first two seasons. The fever should already be evaluating cuts for vets who are slow and aren't performing. A vet that regresses in speed should be gone if they are missing baskets. Why keep them around?
Sides is going to post CC under the basket next game so she can work on her rebounding game. I'm not kidding!!
We don’t need the Ferrari, the Volkswagen Beetle runs just fine… LOL 😂
If this keeps up,Christy Sides,will be unemployed.
Clark fans will find every excuse or try to blame the coach or players. Great shooter but she's going up against very good players. This isn't Iowa welcome to the WNBA Diana tried to tell you.
@@bigbds222 They find every excuse. They never blame poor little caitlin
@@mikesingle82 It's like they never watched a WNBA game
@@bigbds222To be fair very few people did
maybe since there's so much eyes on the trainwreck of a team. this league has not historically had this much accountability. Indiana has an air of "who cares" and a contentment with losing around them. it's just unfortunate it has to be highlighted under so much media attention.
Offense and defense were sluggish, screens and picks were half ass done, everyone was on the perimeter looking at one person with the ball to shoot. Not getting back on defense. No coordination or teamwork. Don't care how great of players you have if you don't have a coaching team that can bring that greatness out the Fever will continue down this road of failure.
And Caitlin SHOULD be angry!
Caitlin should team up with Angel Reese.
I believe she is!
@@varj7 The more Caitlin will prosper, the better for Boston because it will mean more oppurtunities for her, Caitlin is looking to pass even if she is a shooter.
Why is she playing 2 instead of 1?
Becuase the defense won’t allow her to get the ball. They hound her.
@@kennynymIowa handlef that easily. They put Clark on point. They spread the court so it was one-on-one at the top of the key. Clark would shoot the step back 3 or drive to the hoop. She's deadly at the line. 10for10 this year.
She can't handle the ball pressure. She wants to get rid of it as soon as she dribbles. We need to be real and understand she is not ready for the pace yet. She was holding her shorts trying to catch her breath at times. She has to make shoots to gain trust. She getting the looks just not making them. The push off is not effective like in college. Let her learn and grow, she has the heart of a baller. The coach cant shoot for her so stop blaming the coach. She will be alright.
@@jimkoll52easily enough to lose two national championships
bc the minute she gets the ball the defense is on her ass!! where do you think half of those 10 turnovers came from at game 1? annnnd.....she was excited at how fast the game was after the dallas exhibition, but this is the wnba! youre playing EVERY OTHER NIGHT against top talent. you know how exhausting that is? ergo 5 fouls last night bc she cant keep up (btw she DID push vandersloot in the back when sloot sped by her and fell! that should have been called.)! shes gotta be physically and mentally exhausted, which is prolly why her shots arent falling too!
I agree with everything Robin is saying. Disclaimer (I am a native Iowan, a Hawkeye ('83), but I am NOT a CC only fan, I root for all Hawks in all pro leagues) and I will be the first to admit that CC's "spark" has dimmed due to what appears to me to be her hesitation due to how the Sun and Liberty have really brought the D on her hard, which is expected being the "green eared" rookie on a new team in a pro league where every other team is gunning for her, but here's what really got my goat last night was when Clark, playing point, was taking control, being agressive, and it sparked the Fever and they were building momentum on both sides of the court, they were cutting into the lead, being agressive on D, and that was knocking the Liberty off balance and out of rhythm, and then the TO and what happened when the players took the floor? CC was in the #2. WTF? Why? Why would make that move, which destoyed the momentum they had with CC getting agressive and taking charge before the TO? From that point on their hesitation and lack of confidence in doing ANYTHING and EVERYTHING was painful to watch. I told my wife, it was like watching the Washington Generals play the Harlem Globetrotters. There was one camera shot of Lisa Bluder and Jan Jensen and the look and both of their faces told the whole story of everyone pulling for the Fever was also feeling. I hope the Fever can get something going to boost their confidence so they can kick the hesitation monkey off their backs and at least make the games competitive and close, even if they lose, not just for the fans (new and old) but mostly for themselves as pro athletes.
Build the team to maximize Caitlin's skill set and let her get everyone involved from the point guard position. I know everyone is piling on the coach, but when you look at how disorganized the team is, that is clearly a coaching issue. If the coach gets fired people will say that Caitlin got her fired, but the truth is the coach needs to be fired because she is doing a terrible job of coaching. Bring in a new coach and make a fresh start before this team gets so lost that it can't recover. I feel bad for Caitlin. She has a lot to learn and a lot of adjustments to make, but she can't do that with a coach who can't coach.
2 games isn’t much time to see anything work. As fans we want results. Any new coach would still need time to right this ship. By mid season things will have greatly improved or another coach and plan will finish out the season. That’s my thoughts. Not worth much more than others. The Fever will need to show the fans the effort is there, if not the fan base for next season won’t be so spectacular and they can only blame themselves. Caitlin won’t be reason, the Fever Organization will be. I’m a huge fan of Clark and I will follow her through good times and bad, not just for the logo 3’s that first caught my attention. I enjoy watching this young women handle everything that is thrown at her with such poise and grace. She’s only human, but she’s so refreshing to watch in victory and defeat. She’s the real deal. She’s worthy of all the attention she gets. I love her interaction with young girls and how they idolize her. She’s one in a million is an understatement.
There is no way in hell that game happens again. They literally made a comeback when Boston was on the bench. Then there was a timeout and they put Boston back in. I know the coach is not stupid. I don’t expect this again.
Malaysia Fulwely is who CC should inspire to play like. But she's not athletic enough .😂
It may be time to trade Boston so she doesn't have to lose life and limb over her and Clark's inability to mesh styles together. I'm all for trading last year's draft pick and rookie of the year now that Clark is here because they picked Boston as the best draftee then and tried to build an inside game around her. But now that you have a generational player with an outside game, you can build around her instead. It makes no sense to assassinate Boston over something that is not her fault. If their styles don't blend it's not a federal offense. Find the other center she played with, Clark, at IOWA, get her in, and try to see if you can trade for Kate Martin. Set Clark up. However, she wants to be set even with all-white players if you can to satisfy her fans and even get her Iowa coach in the coaching chair before someone winds up dead over this nonsense.
Boston and Wheeler were on the bench when the Fever made the run in the 3rd quarter, then the coach thought it was a good idea to put them back in, and look what happened.
@@politicallil7060 You seem to forget how great Caitlin and Hannah Stuelke were together, and Stuelke is black, and very much loved in Iowa. It is not about race, it is about being wholesome and great.
@@politicallil7060🤮🤢
A 21 pt loss followed by a 36 pt loss. What has the Fever got to lose to let Caitlin be Caitlin and to see what Caitlin can actually do to help this entire team perform better? Yes, she’s a rookie. Yes, she’s going to make some mistakes, take some bad shots and make some bad passes, at times, but they’re literally getting THUMPED! Take the leash off and embrace her game. See what happens. See whether or not that can be successful or whether it actually needs some tweaking. Until it’s been tested, TRULY TESTED, don’t dismiss the fact it very well might be your best option. If you didn’t want Caitlin Clark’s brand of basketball then why on earth did you draft her? Imagine telling a rookie Tiger Woods that his style of golf (risky and somewhat reckless) wouldn’t translate to the PGA. Imagine telling Peyton Manning all his crazy audibles at the line of scrimmage constantly changing plays didn’t translate to the NFL and wasn’t going to be successful. Imagine telling Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle or Hank Aaron to stop swinging for the fences, but just hit singles and occasionally sprinkle in an extra base hit because you won’t strike out as much. Are you getting the picture? Essentially, you’re asking those players not to be themselves, not to be the style of player that made them great, that made them who they are. Caitlin’s great at self-correcting. She doesn’t tend to make the same mistakes over and over. Unleash her. Let her lead. Let her be Caitlin. Take the bad with the good and watch her grow and excel. Every rookie has growing pains. Don’t try to take them from her. Instead, support her and encourage her and show some trust and faith in her…and in her teammates. This team doesn’t have a crappy roster. They have talent. Right now that talent base is underperforming and underachieving. That’s a fact. Caitlin doesn’t make excuses, and she doesn’t settle for mediocrity either. LET HER PLAY HER GAME! End of story.
Right? Very good info and advice. All summed up to how you said it- UNLEASH CAITLIN on the WNBA!!! Nothing much more to say...
They all underestimate how savvy CC is when it comes to knowing what to do in her position!!! She could coach and play at the same time.. that being said.. leave her alone. She will work it out… believe me!!!
The problem is they are not giving her the Ball.
Catlin should team up with Angel Reese.
@@anthonysmith1555but her fans still can't forgive Angel so that will not work
She is getting the ball plenty. She is simply not good enough to break down the defense like she did in college so she ends up passing it off to someone else to make something happen.
@@deedaniel201 Marjoity of her fans hate black people and don't even know the game of basketball.
@@cobra7282This shyt wouldn't happen if they would SCREEN for her instead of sabotaging her!!!!!
There is jealousy even within her OWN team. And Wheeler is clearly sabotaging CC. Oddly, Wheeler was the one most excited about flying on acharter plane--and was the one filming everyone. So it is OK to benefit from the fame and power CC brings the teamand league--but at the same time, you wanna destroy her. Interesting paradox...but not surprising.
She seems more concerned with being the female Liberache of the team.
That's absurd. Her teammates benefit from playing with her, but perhaps the styles just don't mesh. I think it's time for a sit-down with the owners, Clark, the coach, and the GM. They need to let Clark design the team she wants that best fits her skill set and let her decide what players come and go. She is the income-producing asset of the Fever; no one else. They could get some nice value for Boston, Weaver, and Smith on the trade block. I don't know how trading works, but any player can be cut at any time in the WNBA, so it's time to let anybody they think is a hindrance to Clark go to another team. But it's some aggravated stupidity to think someone is trying to destroy Clark's career when there is absolutely no upside benefit for a player to do so. If you keep spreading this type of nonsense, someone will wind up wanting to kill Wheeler behind this type of propaganda; the players don't deserve this type of accusation because you have zero proof of Wheeler's intent.
Catlin should team up with Angel Reese.
@@politicallil7060Catlin should team up with Angel Reese.
Lmao sabotaging yea sure or CC just isn’t as good as you thought how tf is she?
Coach Sides was 13-27 last year starting out the same this year. She is not a head coach. I also think she has gotten CC inside her own head and she is feeling beat down. They don't really have any real plays, that falls on coaching!
Or maybe the roster is just bad and she is doing the best with what she has been given. They also have very little chemistry at the moment and are going up against the best teams in the league at the moment with established chemistry.
Fans will be fans...if yall think she's going to come in and dominate other pros who can shoot, pass, score just as good if not better then Clark, she's going to get her numbers at some point but to thank she's coming in to dominate is a crazy thought, college is wayyyy different then the pros on all levels, bigger stronger faster...
Clark is NOT even getting a chance when teammates don't even give her the ball when she is wide open!
A literal crime was committed and we all saw it. There are not alternative facts.
Literal? lol
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And wheeler was not looking at CC it was crazy!
Her team mates ignored her! It was sad!
Calling for the Coach to be fired after 1 or 2 games may sound immature, but begs the question of why draft Clark if you don’t want her to be your point guard? Caitlin runs the offense and shoots off the dribble. She’s never been a catch and shoot player. Allow Clark to be herself, logo 3’s and all before you try to reinvent her. Bluder had confidence in Clark, this coach isn’t even giving Caitlin a chance to win her confidence. What NONSENSE is her rule. “I told Caitlin she has point 5 seconds to shoot” seriously? You know better than Caitlin how she should shoot? The coach is in her head and it is negatively affecting Clark’s performance. Coach has to work this out or pay the price for her failures.! It’s not just the fans impatience, it’s also the coach.
She is not trying to reinvent her game, only expand upon it. CC still gets plenty of opportunity to make things happen off the dribble, but she is playing with other talented players now and needs to learn how to move off ball and needs to add more mid range to her game. Just because she was successful doing something in college doesn't mean she can be successful doing the same thing in the WNBA.
because they didnt draft what they needed. they drafted the cashcow with the eyeballs on her. they were already building a system around boston and smith, their #1 and #2 draft picks from the past 2 years. they were gonna be a post-geared team. well now i guess theyre scrapping that to build a caitlin-geared team. or are they? or did someone not tell that to sides? or did someone not tell that to AB and lyss and the other players?
@@gnphillips5481 Then they (higher ups) created this nightmare.
@@cobra7282 you repeating hearsay, Caitlin can hits two’s in the paint. I’ve watched her games for nearly two years. Highlights show the logo three, don’t buy the nonsense she can’t hit short jumpers
@@varj7 It's not about ability necessarily, she simply does not do anything but shoot threes and layups. One mid range jumper every few games doesn't mean anything. She needs to be pulling up in the mid range multiple times every game as it is the least heavily guarded part of the floor.
Caitlin,as well as her fans, have seen Christie Sides intentionally use Caitlin as a DECOY! Thinking that will free up the other 4 players to score. That hasn't worked out well! The other teams realized pretty quick her Coach had her on a leash! Maybe boycotting her games or not watching her games until Caitlin is giving leadership will force ownership to confront the current Coaching issues!
Agree. And she has said this in her pre draft or post draft interviews. Yeah, make that known to the other teams. Not smart. Dumb to even do this let alone announce it. She's not a good HC. Bluder never gave away what they were going to do. Just said what worked well and what didn't after a game. Now EVERYONE knows. Just let Caitlin be Caitlin and have team help her shoot and help get the 2 or 2 defenders off her. Forget about your decoy.
The best 5 on the floor last night tor Indy were Clark, Berger, Smith, Fegbernle, and (not sure) but they cut it to 11. The best 5 don’t always make the best team.
Panic !!! It’s time to panic 🚨🚨🚨
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Not yet, lol, but it does sound like it is.
The Iowa team would not have lost by 30
Facts because they were actually a Team in shape, prepared, and well coached. And they actually won!!!
Your right. They would've lost by 50
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No. The Iowa team would’ve trounced the Indiana team. The Fever is being coached to look like the Keystone Cops.
😭😂😂 they would have lost by 100 they lost by 12 and 17 to college teams get real
Jeremy Lin effect. There is a reason a very great player like Camelo Anthony had a hand in Jeremy Lina downfall. Plan and simple jealousy. I was at the game where the Knicks beat the lakers. Jeremy Lin dropped 38 on Kobe head may he Rest in peace. There is a reason a very good player like Melo never won a championship. Jeremy Lin unfortunately suffered lots of injuries which eventually ended his career.
It was more Carmelo's style of play if anything
Clark on point.No screens, spread the court to make room in the lane.Make them 1on1at the top of the key. Step back 3 or drive the paint. Get to the rim and line. She's 10 for 10. Stop running her in circles. Mix in zones on defense.
EXCELLENT comparison to Jeremy Lin. I remember those days. Those points are valid. And there ARE those who are ONLY Caitlin Clark fans.
Not me. I am a fan of this rookie class, with Clark and Reese as my favorites.
You make great points in this video - but what MUST be acknowledged is how the attacks against Clark over the past year for NO REASON has been levied against her by people who have been very bitter against her popularity. Even lies were spread about her (Swoopes).
So with an atmosphere where it seems the entire WNBA world has openly attacked CC, the poor planning by the coach and teammates comes across as an agenda to destroy her.
Let us not forget that that HAS happened before. I present to you how JORDAN was treated by the league at first.
Well they sure wasn’t right about her coming into the WNBA scoring 49
Fire that coach. She has no idea what the hell she is doing. Her previous record speaks for her.
The fever needs a quite tall new talent and a new coach. They are not just losing. They are losing in an embarrassing way and Caitlin Clark is stymied.
I wasn't expecting Fever to win any of their 1st 4 games. I was just expecting Clark to get some pts (15-20) & assist (5-7), but more importantly I expected them to actually play their top PG as the PG & let her lead with her fast paced style. The non-delusional CC fans, knew she wouldn't win out of the gate, besides their stacked early schedule, CC would need to adjust to the tougher defense of the WNBA. Honestly CC did well considering. She had 9pts, the most assists on her team at 6, the most rebounds tied w/ Boston at 7 & a steal despite the heavy coverage from NY early on & only getting 8 attempts to shoot. They will never figure out how to play with their new point guard if you don't let her play PG,
Wheeler is a problem. Even the commentators called out her ignoring CC & i saw CC getting frustrated with it too. But Wheeler is Sides favorite player, so I don't know is she will bench her. The only time they got on even a little roll was in the last two minutes of the 2nd & 3rd quarter when CC had the ball & Wheeler was on the bench.
fast paced style? this team was 10th (out of 12) in pace last season. The fact is this terrible organization has a monopoly on the draft lottery for a reason. Clark is not and never was a good fit for this team. All the headlines and conversation would be totally different if Clark was drafted by Dallas or even Chicago.
CC needs to play her game. 😊
Her game?....her game has never won her anything in high school, college and won't win her anything in the pros.....Clark is a one-dimensional player....a 3 pt wìde open shooter who needs mass volume of shots to get her points.....its a numbers game with Clark.....the more shots the more points scored.....
The blaming of the coach and other players 2 games in is predictable. There are fundamental flaws with her team and I don’t love her coach but that should have been the expectation because she’s the #1 overall pick. You have players learning entirely new roles and a coach trying to figure out the best way to free up Clark. Those claiming it’s to just mimic Iowa are being obtuse and not recognizing that the competition is significantly better. Against Laney and other physical defenders Clark will struggle to get free and actually open on offense. Playing her more off ball and trying to get her the ball in matchups where she has a physical advantage is smart. They didn’t execute properly but Clark can’t just be the point guard 100% of the time. They need to find an actual balance for her game on offense
Robin Lundberg!! I used to listen to your radio show before C19when I was commuting...so glad you're here.
If she is not a shooting guard how is it she is the all time scoring leader?
Time to AUDIT some coach's bank accounts..This coach is out of her league..totally clueless..
Let's hope she doesn't get hurt cause those ladies are not coming to play. She has a target on her back thanks to the media and her super fans. I believe she will be better soon
Coaches, call out all mistakes, teach them how to score fast.
They need to let her go like the Celtics did Larry Bird.
Wow. That is a really stupid comment.
Catlin should team up with Angel Reese.
Larry was a legit 3 level scorer who was playing with like 3-4 hall of famers. Clark is a bit limited at the moment and her team isn't very talented.
@cobra7282 She should team up with Angel Reese.
The key metric to follow is assists. Clark has a lot because she is a TEAM player. Some of the others, including AIlyeah Boston, haven’t figured that out yet. Neither has the coach. Lisa Bluder was smart enough to determine that Iowa would be better if they played WITH Caitlyn, and you saw the result in back to back NCAA tournament championship games.
Or maybe Liberty is top two teams in the wnba with the reigning mvp ?
Or maybe you all overestimated the impact CC would have immediately? Or also underestimate the wnba players that have been doing this longer than CC?
Or maybe again you CC fans thought she would come swinging out the door because all the players in the wnba are trash ?
Or yall failed to consider that college and professional basketball are worlds apart ?
And lastly, that for a bad team like the Fever no one is coming in to perform any kind of magic especially not a rookie who hasnt played 5 professional games.
Annddd perhaps most importantly stop putting pressure on the girl and lower expectations a bit.
This is the best response I have seen yet!
Not a big basketball fan but looked like defensive players on her kept pushing her as she dribbled toward the hoop. Isn't that foul?
They had their hands all over her and should be called. If the refs would do their
jobs there would be some points scored.
Okay…so you’re advocating giving the sides- Clark combo time. How many games? Cause I can see several things sides is doing wrong. And it involves Clark AND Boston AND when she subs AND who starts.
Sides biggest problem is not knowing her player’s capabilities and then using them
You folks who are calling for the coach to be fired are all so very wrong. I agree with the overall take of this vlog. Patience is needed. IMO, Clark isn't as talented or WNBA-ready as her popularity suggests. However, I do disagree with one thing.... Clark can't play pissed. She can't show frustration. That's a sign of weakness that opponents will seize upon. I understand that she's captured the imagination of millions of people and that the WNBA needs her because of her popularity. But it is totally unrealistic to think that she can immediately dominate in the WNBA as she did at Iowa. The WNBA has humbled a whole lot of dominant college players. Many of them have or are now thriving at the pro level. But it took them some time. Like Stephen Curry, Clark comes into the Association with no physical advantages. It took him several years to develop into a dominant player. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's going to be the same with Clark.
My goodness, Thank You!
You don't tell Curry to stand in the corner and don't touch the ball.
She not Curry.
She is NOT #Curry until u white folks come to that realization 🤷🏾♂️
She is Curry, MJ and Lebron all tied up in one, well that's what I heard
@@deedaniel201 her style is very Curry. Why do yaw think people watch her?
She is not Curry!
Bro called her Jeremy Lin 😳😳
Malaysia Fulwely and JuJu will change the game. CC isn't athletic enough
Now you dreaming neither is juju or fulwely
@@petercrisp8314 Yeah they are. That being said I think Caitlin good enough to be a very good WNBA player, just needs to clean some things up and develop a bit more patience.
Meanwhile, Angel Reese is having a great start to the WNBA
Go Reese. I watch because of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats because shes on a better team and not getting triple teamed cameron brink we most likely win rookie of the year
Thank you for this! I wonder if these critics, when they started a new job, would be doing as well on Day One (20 pts!) as Caitlin, or, if they were still getting acclimated to their new job, if they'd already be blaming their boss because they weren't working like a seasoned pro with a team of relative strangers.
Will the sellout crowd start booing the coach of the fever? If that happens that could change things or could it?
This is absolutely a coaching failure. It is, at base level, a failure of properly preparing a team for a season. Every player on the team is physically outmatched by their opposition. Boston cannot compete inside with the other bigs in the league who she is supposed to match. The wings are getting pushed off their spots. They cannot fight through screens while their opponents are slicing through at will. Boston is unable to set an effective pick to free up Clark. And Clark herself is facing constant double and triple teams every time she holds the basketball. Opposing teams are able to do this because they know Clark's teammates have no ability to make them pay for doubling her up. Clark can be the entire team's sole defensive focus. No one can succeed under those conditions. I understand the idea of cutting down on Clark's turnovers by having someone else handle the point, but this strategy hamstrings Clark's best attribute (her court vision) and does nothing to address the actual problem - they are simply not physically powerful enough to overcome the opposition - Boston specifically. Therefore, they cannot stop anyone, or get any rebounds, or run any transition offense. I also am sick of hearing the excuse of "they need time to gel, they aren't used to each other." This is not acceptable. Clark may be new to the roster, but no one else is. They've had a year or more to play with each other, and while Clark may be Basketball Mozart, she's not delivering passes from outer space. She finds the open person. The problem is that no one is strong enough to get open looks, and on the rare occasion that they do, they aren't coached well enough to be ready for the pass when it comes.
This is complete organizational failure - the roster is way too small, and that's on the GM. The roster is way too weak, and that is on the coaching staff. And yes - some of this is absolutely on Clark - but she has not been set up for success at all and the organization is letting her down. Get the entire team into the weight room and lock the door until someone can set a pick, or make the opposition pay when they triple team Clark right off the inbound.
I totally agree.
Aliyah was rookie of the year. She's changing her game to accommodate CC whose not up to par with WNBA right now. Media/fans don't play the game they just there for the HYPE...CC has to get in the gym play DEFENSE work on her FOOTWORK she's slow these ladies are elite in shape & want to win a RING... CC hasn't experienced that numbers are just that with NO RING... MJ got in the gym to get stronger when he lost to the Bad Boys Pistons he didn't complain or ask refs to change the rules
@@diligent1580 This just doesn't comport with reality. Yes, Boston was ROTY last year, a unanimous pick, and an All Star starter last year. She was also outclassed and outmuscled badly in both games she has played so far this year. I've already given several examples of this, and how she just in general isn't competitive right now. I agree that Clark's defense needs to improve, but it is by no means bad and it certainly isn't at the top of the priority list in terms of things to fix. Your contention of "these ladies are elite and in shape" is simply not true. They are physically outclassed in every way. Every single one of them, including Clark, and the fact that they are physically outmatched means that they cannot do anything to be competitive on the court. Once again, lock every single player, including Clark, in the gym and don't let them out until they figure this out.
Remind me again what rules Clark is asking the refs to change? Your imagination is doing a lot of work there.
My favorite part of the game was only 2 flat footed defenders spread out around the key while the Liberty just easy two's all nite. On the other end what a bunch of terrible ball handling while throwing bricks in the air because we don't want that new gal showing us up.
Do they even know who they drafted
The team was bad before and still bad now CC is playing terribly like horrendous can’t blame the coach for everything
Clark has to play point. That was her strength in college. You gotta show trust in your #1 pick. Bad games will happen especially coming off a long college season and not having a physical advantage against who she is up against. CC will be fine. Gotta work on her game cause there are holes in it offensively like no floater or no step back to the right 3.
Defenders are loading up on her left. I'm concerned about her body language at times. A vet needs to tell her not to show obvious frustration. The other team sees that.
At the end of the day, she will be great in the wnba. The team gotta figure out their offense. Last night was looking very bad whole team wise like holy crap.
Fever ‘issues’
1. No rebounding. They don’t box out, their opponents have far too many additional chances to score.
2. No pace. They do not run the floor well. Boston is out of shape, their transition defense is terrible.
3. No offensive style or game plan. They always look confused and hesitant with the ball, everybody waiting for somebody else to do something. This causes turnovers.
Blame it on the alcohol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blame in on everybody but CC. SMH. You were told that the WNBA is different than college ball. Now you are going to see. Until you give those other girls the respect that is due to them, this is going to continue PERIOD! There are so many girls that are much, much, much, better than her and you continue to disrespect their game. This is what you get!
Thank you Robin. Finally someone using common sense 👊🏾
Thanks for watching
Sides said Clark needed to stop dancing with the ball, giving her half a second to decide to shoot or pass. Unless she’s turning it over,
Clark’s dancing feeds her shooting. She’s good off the dribble, and also creates space for herself that way.
The whole team is letting CC down and leaving her high and dry. No screens, no cuts to basket, no passed to CC when she is open, no movement from her team mates. Boston is just getting down the court when they are heading back the other way. They have no plays to help CC run the offense. No one looks or watching for the ball, and they couldn't catch the ball anyway. CC needs to fire the ball at there heads a few times to get them to wake up and watch the plays. It would only take a couple times for the ball to bounce off there heads before they start looking. Sides needs to be gone, and Lin Dunn needs to be gone too if she continues this to happen
Some fans think they're "expert" coaches. See stage 1 Dunning-Kruger Effect if this is you.
This team doesn't have enough player talent and practice time, plain and simple. Blaming the coach is typical douchy fan behavior.
How would you like it if people came to your job to tell you how you're doing it wrong, and that you should be fired?🤔
When a coach marginalizes the best perimeter shooter in women's basketball, yes, the best outside shooter and nobody else is close, she's literally shooting Steph Curry range, then you have a bad coach, period. The coach literally said that Clark can't "dance around" or "shoot those deep 3's". That's like telling Allen Iverson to stop showboating his crossover shake & bake moves and telling Steph Curry to stop shooting from 27-feet. It's literally telling Clark that the amazing talent that she is is her "problem". It's bad coaching and not only that, the coach says all these things in a press conference putting Clark down and saying what she does is bad. You can't make up just how bad that coaching is.
If they were running like Iowa teams wouldn’t be able to do them things you mentioned far as the other teams being more superior than Iowa. Iowa was run and gun with a fast pace and many of the wnba are older people which is why the game is slowed so much. Run them out the gym with Caitlin spearheading and wheeler at SG, if teams get to where they feel they only have to put one player on Clark that’s going to tie the others up completely
Straight facts
Berger much better than ball hog Wheeler. Let wheeler sit on the bench and post her fashion vids. That’s all she’s good for.
This is just so off base. Yes run and gun can be effective, but the athletes of the WNBA are simply superior and will get back to shut down your transition. Not to mention the WNBA is far more physical. What Caitlin needs to is learn how to play with other good players and not dominate the ball all the time to be effective.
@@cobra7282 they’re use to playing old and slow, when you play their game of course they’re what you’re claiming what they are but Iowa would run them in the ground, success loves speed
@@lilmoepal So why were Kansas State, West Virginia, Iowa State, Indiana, UConn, SC, Michigan State and Nebraska all able to slow them down and a WNBA team couldn't? Iowa would get slaughtered by a WNBA team and would struggle to stay within like 40 points. Your comments are telling me you probably haven't spent much time actually watching WNBA basketball.
The ball should go through Clark's hand every play. Whether it starts with her or ends with her, she should touch the ball on every offensive possession.
The 3rd quarter was an obvious example that the fever’s game needs to be sped up, and into the screen and pop offense. Slowing it down again at the beginning of the 4th quarter to push the ball to the post showed that Coach Sides doesn’t adapt to her players skills nor does she recognize opponents strengths and then plan to limit them. The Coach is the issue.
How can you have 10 turnovers in one game and blame the coach. She had 3 turnovers and 9 points in game 2. I understand that it's going to take some time for her to adapt, but let's not blame everything on the coach.
Bringing up Jeremy Lin is a great comparison. The NBA players literally ran him out of the league because they all decided they didn't like how he got all that media. Looks to be the same backlash Clark is getting. Exactly the same. Including the coach taking the ball out of her hands and putting her as the off-guard and then just letting her rot on the wing and "disappear" in the game.
The Fever missed 13 shots at the rim & froze Clark out of 16 plays.
The team never runs transition to the passing lanes and has no perimeter passing game to open up the floor.
No pick-and-roll schemes, no movement to the ball for open looks when Clark is doubled.
Last 7 years the Fever have been in the basement. Christie Sides took the coaching job in 2023. Boston was drafted in 2023. The Fever won 13 games, 8 more games than in 2022.18 to 20 wins is all that is needed to get to the playoffs. Boston and CC will get us there.
One thing to keep in mind when talking about firing Fever HC Christie Sides. WNBA pay for coaches is very low. Sides makes about $500,000 a year. Iowa's Lisa Blunder just retired from a head coaching job which paid her $1.4 million!! Geno at UConn is the highest paid NCAA coach and he makes about $2.5 million a year. I would love to see the WNBA progress but right now, IMHO, you are seeing a more fun and entertaining form of Women's BB in the NCAA than in the WNBA.
That coach is wasting the #1 draft choice!! Why did they even bother???
You know how difficult it is when you're told to put the ball in Clark's hands but at the same time you're trying to make it a team game.
Clark will make it a team game she’s a supremely gifted passer
The best comment I have heard so far this season came from NaLyssa Smith when asked about Clark, “…just run your @$$ of and get easy baskets” (paraphrase) She gets it
The Fever needs a Center that is a good basketball player. That girl was HORRIBLE last night.
It couldn't possibly be that she's playing against the best players in the world now and looked like a hero against 18 year olds.
If CC fans think for one minute that the ladies before her that have worked extremely hard to get to the professional level are going to give her ANYTHING for the sake of her fans, might as well stop supporting now! That is not how passionate athletes operate. CC will have to EARN respect in this league as she should!
Blame it on the alcohol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blame in on everybody but CC. SMH. You were told that the WNBA is different than college ball. Now you are going to see. Until you give those other girls the respect that is due to them, this is going to continue PERIOD! There are so many girls that are much, much, much, better than her and you continue to disrespect their game. This is what you get!
CC Game 1 in the career of CC will, in the end, be insignificant.
From March madness to adult professional in 60 days, her well controlled life is chaos right now. Let her breathe, she will be fine.
Some of the CC fandom are Looney Toons but Christie Should be given at least the All Star Break to make progress before making a coaching switch.
About myself, I played basketball from the age of 13 until my mid 40s. I coached boys and girls youth basketball teams and coached a men's team.
Facts - 1. CC is Indiana's best player! 2. The team as a whole, including the coach, is not that good. Caitlin has to go through a learning and improvement stage but she is not the only one.
What happens to Indiana during the remainder of this season depends primarily on the coach. 1. Think about what you say to the press if you want to keep the player's morale up. 2. The Bigs on the team need more individual guidance on ball handling, faking moves around the basket, more conditioning and Boxing Out which goes for all players. 3. Build the offense around Caitlin!
You are correct about how she felt. When I saw her, I was afraid she was going to self ignite into a ball of fire because she was so pissed off. I NEVER saw her like this in any of her Iowa games. I'm pissed at how she is being played also. I don't like this coach, Aliyah is a huge disappointment for me so far, but if they can fix her problems, Caitlin might be able to work the way she knows how.. Patience is becoming hard to come by.
Unless Sides is playing 5-D chess waiting on the rest of the team to acknowledge they need to let Caitlin drive the team, She needs to GO immediately.
Her coaching style and personal attack outbursts in the media room is not encouraging the team to play better.
Great take. HC is not running enough set plays for Clark. Protect Clark with set plays while also guaranteeing Clark has a set number of shots. It is also obvious Wheeler is NOT looking to feed Clark. Wheeler's line wasn't any better than the ROOKIE she doesn't want to pass to. These ladies better step back and examine the MONEY. The NBA has been losing money by subsidizing this league for years. The NBA finally has a chance to recoup their money invested. If these ladies think the NBA will allow them to prevent that from happening they are sadly mistaking. If that is the case, these ladies will find out the hard way. By trade or but cut the NBA will not let this money making opportunity slip away. I believe, from a business stand point, everyone is expendable on this team except the #1 picks from last year, Boston, and Clark, coach included.
You have people who believe that Clark can never be stopped at any level. I think that she is a great player with a lot of skill. She is playing against players now that are at higher level than the average college player. Clark is going thru an adjustment process. I think that she will get better with every game. Both she and her teammates are still learning each other. They have barely been together for a month. The Fever are also playing the best WNBA teams at the beginning of their schedule. People need to calm down and let the team bonding process play out. There are too many Clark fans that don't remember a few subpar games from Clark during her Iowa days. They happened during regular season on the road games in the Big Ten while playing elite Teams. That was just playing against good college teams with good game plans. Bottom line: She is going to be great, but take off the rose colored glasses and give it time!!!
Clark and Boston need to be more active and communicate better with more movement. If the Fever didn't have the for thought to know how they were going to use Clark before the draft the Fever should not have drafted her. Clark needs to be more assertive and get the rest of the team to get on board.
This video has over 20k views. Amazing how you and Ryan Ruocco have converged with the WNBA.
Have you considered that it is herself and her own play that she is most unhappy with? She hasn't exactly played at a level that is going to make a coach want to put the ball in her hands even more. Show you can play well with a certain amount of responsibility and then we can talk about expanding your responsibilities.
Give her a chance to show what she can do, taking the ball away isn’t allow her a chance.
@@varj7 She is getting plenty of chances to show what she can do, but just isn't performing at the moment. It is on her to show out in her opportunities and earn more opportunities and responsibility.
There probably scared to put her at PG because of the 10 turnovers and the other team might pick her up 90 ft n tire her out wit the physicality she dosent seem to b able to get pass or around her defenders as easy or even at all idk she needs to work on her speed and strength
Fire Sides!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robin I understand you want to give this coach time. I considered it Simping for this coach. Sides is in Caitlin's head. That .5 second to make a decision was destructive last night. Caitlin was getting rid of the ball quickly last night. Like a hot potato. The actually point guard last night was playing keep away from Clark on offense. She was always going away even when she got trapped. Around 10 offensive possessions in a row Caitlin did not touch it or immediately gave it up. These players are out of shape. I want to see Celeste Taylor who is in shape on the floor. I want to see of this point guard on the floor. She is fast but goes no where. Robin, give up a drop dead amount of games to give to Sides before she needs to be replaced.
Just fire the coaching staff
Clark needs to learn to move without the ball instead of pitching a tent and watching when she doesn't have it. However, I think this was a better game on her part and am encouraged by it. Yes the turnovers were way down, she had 6 assists that should have been 9, her usage percentage was down to reasonable rookie levels, and her ball movement in general was way better this game. The first game was basically her college game with the same shots and the same holding the ball: 41% usage rate, 15 x 3pt attempts, occational laps in ball security... (bad defense). The game against the Sun is exactly what her college play looks like at the WNBA level. The game against the Liberty she missed some shots she'll make eventually, Boston had a horrible game and that hurts guards when bigs fail epically, but Caitlin was allowing her teammate to try and make plays rather than every play having to be made by her. When she learns to pass and go away then come back instead of standing there wanting the pass to come straight back to her she will be much more effective and will get more looks. This is a place she can move forward from, I was worried after her first game but now I think she'll slowly improve and start to get up to the Pro level.
I think to be elite her defense really needs to get better. That end of the court isn't their to rest. She probably will never be a shut down defender but she can become a competent team defender. Same thing happened to Curry when he entered the league, now while he is in no way a lock down defender he's pretty good at angles, lanes and leverage.