There was absolutely NO reason for that person to make any type of slurs or nasty comments. Some people do not understand manners and how to act in public. Too much of a "me me me" mentality.
I completely agree with you on the situation. If the bar was open then people get drinks. Once a person puts unwanted physical contact on another is assault. Hate speech against anyone is not tolerated. There’s rules on the ships and shame on anyone who defends people who break the rules and think rules don’t apply to them.
😮absolutely, but if you walk up to a bar, to order drinks, and it’s in a performance space suck as this, if someone says “excuse me, we are trying to watch the show” the kind response would be oh sorry, did not see you there, we get it drinks and move along…..
@@yhz2pvd Of course--the couple ordering beverages should be aware and polite enough to move out of the way as expeditiously as possible. However, that couple is at the mercy of the bartender who may need a couple minutes to prepare those drinks. Either way, that's no cause for fisticuffs.
Well done Celebrity. I know the Eden Lounge well and going to the bar for drinks during performances is totally normal. It's not a formal theatre venue. If you sit at the bar its inevitable that people will come to the bar to get served. The clue is in the name - BAR. There are constantly people coming and going at this venue, it's part of its character.
When you resort to hate speech or physical violence, you've escalated the situation so far to the point that standing in someone's view of a show is trivial. I'm very glad Celebrity took this seriously, and actually followed through!
I don’t think touching or being homophonic or racial is acceptable in any case regardless of whether they were blocking anything or not. It’s wrong, period, end of story.
Here’s the thing about freedom-people are free to think whatever they wish. People ARE homophobic and racist. People ARE angry. Our species is not a gentle one. Humans experience all kind of emotions and opinions. BUT, when those thoughts turn to actions or policies that cause physical or emotional to harm others or interfere with the rights of others to live their lives peacefully, the line is crossed. In this case, it clearly was. The homophonic slurs and physical assault crossed a line. I am glad there are consequences and I’m glad the couple is pressing charges.
Jordan thank you for the follow-up of this sad event. It breaks my heart that this awful situation has happened. Why can't people love one another no matter our differences. Respect for ourselves as well as others is vital to change the course of sadness hitting our country. Thank you so much. Stay safe in your travels.
You've described this horrific situation with facts, with compassion, and with class. That man deserves to be prosecuted for his hate speech and physical assault. The three comments-types you highlighted showed how people are judgmental. You handled this situation with such grace and educated so many people. Thank you.
I missed the "unfortunate" part mentioned in the beginning. The person who assaulted others faced consequences for their actions. Justice served. This is a GOOD story. Hopefully the assaulted couple got compensated some free drinks for their trouble.
Jordan, thank you for this update. I was curious what was going to happen. Sounds like the cruise ship did the right thing by getting the guy off the ship once they arrived in Ireland. Your cabin looks delightful. Enjoy. Keep us posted.
That makes me sick. Why can’t people leave others alone. Karma is a bitch and all of the evil they show others will Come back to bite them right in their ass. You are my new travel agents and if anyone comes for you, they come for me too. Y’all are awesome. ❤️👍🏽👏🏽🙏🏽
I'm kind of amazed anyone used the phrase "they asked for it", a phrase often used to dismiss violence against another person. I don't care how rude someone's behavior is, they don't deserve to be assaulted and have slurs thrown at them. Hate speech is, sadly, only illegal in the US if it incites violence or threatens bodily harm to the person the hate is directed to. That doesn't mean there aren't consequences to the person wielding the words, both social consequences and as you point out, Jordan, legal ones when a person is not in the States.
Being in another country is something people forget about. Sadly, this is a big lesson learned the hard way. Kudos to the security team for taking steps immediately and appropriately. I feel like so many people have lost the ability to use self-control. I do think the couple could have waited to get drinks, or be more observant to the fact that people are trying to see, but the reaction of this person was not appropriate. That reaction doesn't fit the situation.
Thanks Jordan for the update. I wondered what the outcome would be. Too late for that idiot but hopefully this will help prevent such occurrences in the future. Travel safe my friend 😊
This was in no way okay. This infuriates me - assault and homophobic, discriminatory and incendiary language has zero place on a cruise (or anywhere in my opinion). But also, the bar was open, if they didn’t want people coming up to get a drink from an OPEN Bar, they should have sat elsewhere. They chose their seats. 🤷🏻♀️
I appreciate how you reminded us how doing the right thing is always in your own best interest. I wish more of these angry asshats would figure that out. You just about have me convinced to do a transatlantic cruise.
The couple at the bar did a minor wrong, probably inadvertently. There is absolutely no excuse for the seated person not to have handled it with a polite request that they move. The whole encounter should have gone this way: Seated person (to couple at bar): “Excuse me, but you’re blocking our view.” Couple at bar: “Oh, so sorry.” (They move out of seated person’s line of sight.) Seated person: “No worries. Thanks.” Even if the couple at the bar were not responsive to the initial request, the next step would have been to appeal to the bartender or another crew member - again, politely and without attributing anything more than inadvertence to the couple at the bar.
Freedom of speech is a USA constitutional right.. but outside of the USA.. its different.. as an example "Freedom of Speech" is not in Canada.. we have something similar called "Freedom of Expression" the only restrictions to this are when its in line with international human rights law. so in Canada this includes the freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, whether orally, in writing or in print, or through any other media of choice. So in BC and in Canada hate speech is prohibited.. and discriminatory speech is prohibited under our human rights. lots to digest sorry :)
Two thoughts come to mind when thinking about this incident: 1) An open bar is an invitation to patrons to order a drink. It is unfortunate that the room is appointed in a way that approaching the bar would block people who want to order from the bar BUT, as I said, if they’re serving drinks, it is implied that you are welcomed to approach and order a drink. So perhaps the couple could have been more aware of their environs, but they were in fact using the space as it was intended. 2). The use of hate language moves the issue from an etiquette concern to a safety issue. Expressing beliefs that are considered “hateful” towards any people group indicates that it is no longer safe for you to have access to those people (and not the other way around) - which was composed in this case by the perpetrator actually getting physical with the gay couple. So even though you are free to have any thoughts or beliefs that feel right for you, hate speech is inherently threatening and cannot be allowed.
What great news! I only wish we could curb hate speech in the United States the way it was handled on that cruise ship, and in Ireland. Kudos to the ship security and to Ireland. Thanks for the update. Peace
Great video. Good luck on your channel and hope you reach your goal. It's crazy people think it's okay to put their hands on someone - an impulsive/unadvised moment ruined a good vacation. I have no sympathy for the individual and hope they learned their lesson. If something bothers you that much, just walk away.
Thanks so much for this powerful video. We need to be more appreciative of our good fortunes and less angry and hateful. I am hoping above and beyond all hope that this message is a powerful one for those who are guilty.
That's the most fabulous outcome I could have hoped for. With all the hate speech we get daily from our elected officials it's like we are back in the 1950's! People need to realize we have our rights NOT to be attacked for any reason and we can and will fight back and press charges and not just slick away into a corner. I am very proud of the couple for pursuing charges and for the way Celebrity handled it. Can't wait to sail them.
I'm retired law enforcement and if the assault happened in international waters Ireland has no authority over prosecution. They should be punished but international law is very tricky and can cause problems for the cruise line and Ireland if not handled properly.
That saying: do unto others as you would have done unto you. In my opinion, that notion should apply to all walks of life❣️ Best wishes from Brisbane Australia ❣️
I am in a mild state of panic every time I travel, just in case I have missed a rule in a foreign country. Stupid I know, but the thought of being in goal for something I did in ignorance is terrifying. But I’m pretty sure setting hands on someone is assault in any country.
The same-sex couple should not have blocked the view of other cruisers. They could have waited till a break in the performance to order drinks or gone to another bar and carried their drinks into the performance venue. But in what world does minor rudeness justify assault and verbal slurs? So glad the perpetrator is being charged and prosecuted.
The free speech issue frustrates me because many don’t understand that the US protects free speech meaning that you cannot be discriminated against or penalized for criticizing the government or any *public* institution. Private companies still have the discretion to remove you from their premises or ban you from their business for almost *any* reason. The protections for free speech are not a “get-off-Scott-free” card! You can still face many different consequences for what you say - both social and legal consequences depending on the situation and severity. I hate that some people think that it means you can say anything anywhere however you want and nothing should happen to you. Even if that man had not laid hands on the couple, Celebrity could still have every right (in the US) to ban them from the ship/line for what they said and the disturbance they caused. Of course, in this case, physical assault came into the equation so this was much more serious than just a free speech issue. I just need to rant a bit.
I’ve sat in that venue and observed many people being served at the bar during a performance. It is an informal, open space not a theatre. Your view can also be blocked if you’re seated in that venue watching a band play and people get up to dance. Do you assault someone over that as well? Glad to see Celebrity took the incident very seriously and handled the situation well.
This venue isn't a theater. It's primarily a bar with some tables and chairs and couches scattered around. People come and go during the entertainment. If all the seats are taken People might stand around and watch for awhile and then move on. Meanwhile, people are doing what people do at at bar; they get drinks. It's almost impossible to not block someone's view.
Wouldn't the person being arrested have to be prosecuted by the Country that the ship is registered in? If the ship was at sea when the incident occurred, then why would Ireland be involved?
I have never been on a cruise, but I have witnessed a lot of hate spewing! Kudos to Celebrity for quickly taking action! I have my very first cruise booked with them this April and I am now so glad I chose them! This needs to be national news! People need to understand that this behavior is UNACCEPTABLE! I have a cousin that is in a same sex marriage and it totally infuriates me to hear what he has endured! Everyone, and I mean everyone, should know that you can’t help who you love and that regardless of sexuality, race, etc. EVERYONE should be treated with respect and dignity!
Golden rule treat everyone as you would like to be treated! Went to a Jamaican all inclusive resort once and the week we were there there was a large group of gay German men and another group of French lesbians and we had a blast!
For years when I travel out of the country, I remember to think of myself as a guest of that country. Countries vary from country to country. Their social standards and norms vary from my country and others. Be aware that people in other countries do things differently. Also try to learn a few words in their language. While you are not going to speak the language fluently they will know that you are at least trying to use their language.
Very sad incident indeed. The erosion of enforcement of laws in general in the world today is pathetic. That certainly enables narcissistic individual behaviors which will continue to devolve society for as long as it’s tolerated. Everyone has a “Right” until crosses, or is perceived to cross, another’s “Right.”
Since the Celebrity Beyond is flying the Malta flag and is registered there, I would think Malta would have jurisdiction over the incident at sea. I'm not sure how the Irish authorities would proceed outside their area. The ship itself would have it's own set of rules and guidelines to follow.
Hopefully one day soon you wont need to educate the people, it's sad that you have to explain it for them but thank you. Hopefully the charges will send the right message to people who wouldn't listen otherwise.
Don't quite understand how standing at the bar that was serving drinks was rude or how it blocked the view of the performance. If you are viewing a show with a bar between you and the performance, don't be surprised to see people use the bar or that it temporarily blocks your view. .
Thank you for sharing this situation, and thank you for loving Celebrity Cruises. Celebrity is also our favorite and the one we cruise on always. We have compared and sailed in other cruise lines, and nothing compares to Celebrity!! On the other hand, the person who caused this problem got what he deserved. Because of people like him, is that this Country is in the state it is now, unfortunately........"Do unto others as you would have done unto you". Kindness goes a long way and of all places, a cruise, where people go to have fun and peace, is not the place for this kind of behavior. Everyone is accountable to God for their choices, and it's nobody else's business. Show love and kindness instead of hatred!!
I found a video of the Eden area during a performance... obviously a design flaw because MANY seats were behind the edge of the bar... too bad that someone with little or no patience had seats in the bad area... not sure what I think about what appears to be severe punishment... jail for pushing someone?
I'm curious what country the participants were from, both sides. Also, gender? It seems people are just ruder now than previously. I have seen older women berate clerks at the Supermarket. I think banning people from airlines, cruise ships, and stores is appropriate.
Thank you for the update. Like I commented on the first video, what happened to the same sex couple is absolutely WRONG, there was ZERO need to respond the way the people sitting behind the bar did. I am also not trying to victim blame, but again I wonder if this couple, when “confronted” apologized for blocking the view, if things would have gone down differently.
I imagine everyone will say he was probably drunk. That doesn’t excuse him. I wish there was a way during that show that people can’t come up to the bar in the show. I was watching some singers in a hotel when a man started shouting for a beer. There are rude people anywhere.
I was on the Apex in June to Iceland. Great cruise! I was in the cafe el baccio and overheard a straight couple maybe late 50’s say “my god they’re going overboard with the gay shit on this cruise” Thankfully that’s all I’ve ever experienced. Just goes to show that there is a ton of unspoken and non acted on homophobia out there. I will say celebrity does a great job with make us feel comfortable. Would be nice to see some representation in the shows but that’s a other story.
My husband and I took an NCL cruise with eight friends back in 1991. On the formal night, they surprised us with a cake for our second anniversary. This so incensed a woman sitting at an adjacent table that she stormed into the Captian’s reception. The cruise director told us she barged through the reception line and accosted the captain to express her disgust. He passed her to the hotel manager, whom she asked whether NCL would invoke their policy to remove “disruptive passengers” from the ship. The hotel manager replied that the line certainly would. Did she and her husband wish to disembark the next day? Then at the farewell dinner, with the restaurant festively decorated, a crown or tiara was at each place setting. The crew did not want to make any assumptions; at our table each place had both a crown and tiara.
Freedom of Speech doesn't mean "freedom of consequences." I grew up bullied and called names and have endured it my whole life due to my sexuality and living in the US South. Words don't hurt my feelings, it just shows someone else's ignorance and poor upbringing. But, if someone lays hands on me "first"....then it's "open season" and it's on like Donkey Kong!
Hi Jordan totally agree also i don't think anyone should put hands on you weather your sexuality. being in a different country you should follow all rules
Hate speech is never ok. Assault is never ok. I hope those people were banned from the cruise line as well. Just like on airlines, nasty behavior by self-entitled jerks cannot be ignored. If you can't travel nicely with others then please stay home!
You are correct that even though they were somewhat wrong they didn't deserve to have hate speech and hands put on them. I'm a straight man but I support all peoples life choices. Hate speech is not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in my opinion is for political arguments.
Yes! Plenty gay people cruise. We believe 7 night, Celebrity Edge Class ships are great at attracting a diverse demographic of people including lgbtq+ people. 🥳
Wow! The couple who laid hands and used hate speech are going to learn a very hard and expensive lesson. as they SHOULD, it is Never Ever okay! Now my caveat : If only the same sex couple treated others with respect and kindness and didn’t refuse to move when asked, All this would have been avoided. The cruise line should absolutely close the bar during the performances to avoid confrontations like this. I also wonder if the same sex couple learned anything?
Hey Jordan. Wow. Escorted off the ship and arrrested in Ireland? I missed it. Arrested for the homophobic slurs or for physical assault? The whole situation very unfortunate.
You spun that very well. Let me just say that placing hands on anyone is wrong and therefore should be punishable by law. Having said that, wouldn't this whole incident have been avoided if this same sex couple had shown some consideration? Again, placing hands on someone is worthy of being held accountable by law. But..... Being oblivious of others kinda sucks, Yes? Now, lets talk about where Celebrity Cruises holds some responsibility. EDEN SUCKS! That bar has been the topic of more controversy on RUclips than any other particular establishment at sea. Don did a video on the same subject about a year ago where he had gotten to his show/dinner about 45min early only to have a few people during the show, walk up to the bar, order drinks then hang out and BS for a good 20 min ruining the show for Don and his guests. For the record, I am not gay. I've been married to a woman for the past 32 years. I have absolutely no problem with same sex couples. I believe same sex couples have come a very long way over the past 40-50 years and rightfully so. Now look at how I felt compelled to defend my position on same sex couples. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just all be equal and call it a day? Well, I can dream, can't I ?
Part of what surprises me here is that it's pretty well known that cruise ships are a popular vacation choice for gay couples. While I understand that cruise ships can hold 5000 passengers or more these days--and that such an enormous group is mixed of all different backgrounds and beliefs--I still can't wrap my mind around someone being so disgusted by encountering a gay couple on a cruise ship. Sorry if this is the stereotype card, but to me it's like a homophobic person being upset that her hairdresser is gay. Of course not all cruisers, hairdressers, florists, or caterers are gay, but the percentage of gay people in those professions is probably a tick higher than in other walks of life. Same on a cruise ship--be prepared to find a slightly higher percentage of gay couples on board than you would in some other vacation situation. If you can't tolerate that, then maybe cruise ships aren't for you.
It’s totally unacceptable to physically or verbally assault anyone, is there no room for conflict resolution.? Perhaps it would behoove the cruise line to modify that area of the venue so that sight lines aren’t obstructed.
Disgusting of any one to slur hate speech on someone else for any reason, and to touch someone else is not on... It's wrong on every level, they deserve what they get
That is not confirmed at this time. That said, we would expect that these passengers would never dare step foot on this cruise line ever again given they suffered the consequences of their actions.
I’m confused about something, you originally said it was “one” man who assaulted the gay couple, but now, here, in the video you were saying “they” were taken to jail and “they” will face the consequences. So was it one person arrested or several? It’s not clear. Also, you said the couple is in a huge amount of trouble, but I thought they were the party that was assaulted, why would they be in trouble?
People are free to say what they want but if they say something hateful, expect consequences. I also feel like if that’s how the person truly feels about same sex couples it’s strange they would chose such an inclusive cruise line. I’m so sorry that happened to that couple. We should all try to be aware of our surroundings and courteous to our fellow cruisers.
There was absolutely NO reason for that person to make any type of slurs or nasty comments. Some people do not understand manners and how to act in public. Too much of a "me me me" mentality.
Not surprised, met my fair share of KKKaren cruisers in the last 2 years
I completely agree with you on the situation. If the bar was open then people get drinks.
Once a person puts unwanted physical contact on another is assault.
Hate speech against anyone is not tolerated. There’s rules on the ships and shame on anyone who defends people who break the rules and think rules don’t apply to them.
😮absolutely, but if you walk up to a bar, to order drinks, and it’s in a performance space suck as this, if someone says “excuse me, we are trying to watch the show” the kind response would be oh sorry, did not see you there, we get it drinks and move along…..
@@yhz2pvd Of course--the couple ordering beverages should be aware and polite enough to move out of the way as expeditiously as possible. However, that couple is at the mercy of the bartender who may need a couple minutes to prepare those drinks. Either way, that's no cause for fisticuffs.
Well done Celebrity. I know the Eden Lounge well and going to the bar for drinks during performances is totally normal. It's not a formal theatre venue. If you sit at the bar its inevitable that people will come to the bar to get served. The clue is in the name - BAR.
There are constantly people coming and going at this venue, it's part of its character.
When you resort to hate speech or physical violence, you've escalated the situation so far to the point that standing in someone's view of a show is trivial. I'm very glad Celebrity took this seriously, and actually followed through!
As my mum taught us...if you don't have anything nice to say, don't SAY or TEXT anything at all.
I don’t think touching or being homophonic or racial is acceptable in any case regardless of whether they were blocking anything or not. It’s wrong, period, end of story.
Here’s the thing about freedom-people are free to think whatever they wish. People ARE homophobic and racist. People ARE angry. Our species is not a gentle one. Humans experience all kind of emotions and opinions. BUT, when those thoughts turn to actions or policies that cause physical or emotional to harm others or interfere with the rights of others to live their lives peacefully, the line is crossed. In this case, it clearly was. The homophonic slurs and physical assault crossed a line. I am glad there are consequences and I’m glad the couple is pressing charges.
Jordan thank you for the follow-up of this sad event. It breaks my heart that this awful situation has happened. Why can't people love one another no matter our differences. Respect for ourselves as well as others is vital to change the course of sadness hitting our country. Thank you so much. Stay safe in your travels.
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You've described this horrific situation with facts, with compassion, and with class. That man deserves to be prosecuted for his hate speech and physical assault. The three comments-types you highlighted showed how people are judgmental. You handled this situation with such grace and educated so many people. Thank you.
I missed the "unfortunate" part mentioned in the beginning. The person who assaulted others faced consequences for their actions. Justice served.
This is a GOOD story. Hopefully the assaulted couple got compensated some free drinks for their trouble.
Thank you for letting us all know what happened 😊 Enjoy your Norwegian fjord cruise 🥰
Jordan, thank you for this update. I was curious what was going to happen. Sounds like the cruise ship did the right thing by getting the guy off the ship once they arrived in Ireland.
Your cabin looks delightful. Enjoy. Keep us posted.
That makes me sick. Why can’t people leave others alone. Karma is a bitch and all of the evil they show others will
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I'm kind of amazed anyone used the phrase "they asked for it", a phrase often used to dismiss violence against another person. I don't care how rude someone's behavior is, they don't deserve to be assaulted and have slurs thrown at them. Hate speech is, sadly, only illegal in the US if it incites violence or threatens bodily harm to the person the hate is directed to. That doesn't mean there aren't consequences to the person wielding the words, both social consequences and as you point out, Jordan, legal ones when a person is not in the States.
Being in another country is something people forget about. Sadly, this is a big lesson learned the hard way. Kudos to the security team for taking steps immediately and appropriately. I feel like so many people have lost the ability to use self-control. I do think the couple could have waited to get drinks, or be more observant to the fact that people are trying to see, but the reaction of this person was not appropriate. That reaction doesn't fit the situation.
This is a sad situation for everyone involved.
Thanks Jordan for the update. I wondered what the outcome would be. Too late for that idiot but hopefully this will help prevent such occurrences in the future. Travel safe my friend 😊
Thanks Beth!
This was in no way okay. This infuriates me - assault and homophobic, discriminatory and incendiary language has zero place on a cruise (or anywhere in my opinion).
But also, the bar was open, if they didn’t want people coming up to get a drink from an OPEN Bar, they should have sat elsewhere. They chose their seats. 🤷🏻♀️
We are taking a transatlantic from Rome, IT back to Ft. Lauderdale in October. Can’t wait!
Don't put your hands on anyone
Amen!
Bottom line, right there...
Thank you for the update. Hopefully, you can enjoy the rest of your cruise with no more incidents
I appreciate how you reminded us how doing the right thing is always in your own best interest. I wish more of these angry asshats would figure that out. You just about have me convinced to do a transatlantic cruise.
Why is the bar arranged where it blocks the view?
Totally agree with you Jordan.
The couple at the bar did a minor wrong, probably inadvertently. There is absolutely no excuse for the seated person not to have handled it with a polite request that they move. The whole encounter should have gone this way: Seated person (to couple at bar): “Excuse me, but you’re blocking our view.” Couple at bar: “Oh, so sorry.” (They move out of seated person’s line of sight.) Seated person: “No worries. Thanks.” Even if the couple at the bar were not responsive to the initial request, the next step would have been to appeal to the bartender or another crew member - again, politely and without attributing anything more than inadvertence to the couple at the bar.
I agree with you on how this should have been handled. People need to become more civil to one another, and not resort to violence.
Putting your hands on anyone it doesn’t matter if your gay or straight it’s against the law
Freedom of speech is a USA constitutional right.. but outside of the USA.. its different.. as an example "Freedom of Speech" is not in Canada.. we have something similar called "Freedom of Expression" the only restrictions to this are when its in line with international human rights law. so in Canada this includes the freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, whether orally, in writing or in print, or through any other media of choice. So in BC and in Canada hate speech is prohibited.. and discriminatory speech is prohibited under our human rights. lots to digest sorry :)
Two thoughts come to mind when thinking about this incident:
1) An open bar is an invitation to patrons to order a drink. It is unfortunate that the room is appointed in a way that approaching the bar would block people who want to order from the bar BUT, as I said, if they’re serving drinks, it is implied that you are welcomed to approach and order a drink. So perhaps the couple could have been more aware of their environs, but they were in fact using the space as it was intended.
2). The use of hate language moves the issue from an etiquette concern to a safety issue. Expressing beliefs that are considered “hateful” towards any people group indicates that it is no longer safe for you to have access to those people (and not the other way around) - which was composed in this case by the perpetrator actually getting physical with the gay couple. So even though you are free to have any thoughts or beliefs that feel right for you, hate speech is inherently threatening and cannot be allowed.
Laying hands on someone is never acceptable. Those abusers got what they deserved and they'll probably learn a big, if difficult lesson.
What great news! I only wish we could curb hate speech in the United States the way it was handled on that cruise ship, and in Ireland. Kudos to the ship security and to Ireland. Thanks for the update. Peace
Great video. Good luck on your channel and hope you reach your goal. It's crazy people think it's okay to put their hands on someone - an impulsive/unadvised moment ruined a good vacation. I have no sympathy for the individual and hope they learned their lesson. If something bothers you that much, just walk away.
Well said.
Thanks so much for this powerful video. We need to be more appreciative of our good fortunes and less angry and hateful. I am hoping above and beyond all hope that this message is a powerful one for those who are guilty.
There isn’t going to be a “legal battle”. There will be a hearing (if at all) and possibly a citation.
It depends on the charges being filed . He may be remanded until the court date due to the fact he is a flight risk
That's the most fabulous outcome I could have hoped for. With all the hate speech we get daily from our elected officials it's like we are back in the 1950's! People need to realize we have our rights NOT to be attacked for any reason and we can and will fight back and press charges and not just slick away into a corner. I am very proud of the couple for pursuing charges and for the way Celebrity handled it. Can't wait to sail them.
Thanks for the update Jordan!
I'm retired law enforcement and if the assault happened in international waters Ireland has no authority over prosecution. They should be punished but international law is very tricky and can cause problems for the cruise line and Ireland if not handled properly.
That saying: do unto others as you would have done unto you. In my opinion, that notion should apply to all walks of life❣️
Best wishes from Brisbane Australia ❣️
I am in a mild state of panic every time I travel, just in case I have missed a rule in a foreign country. Stupid I know, but the thought of being in goal for something I did in ignorance is terrifying.
But I’m pretty sure setting hands on someone is assault in any country.
The same-sex couple should not have blocked the view of other cruisers. They could have waited till a break in the performance to order drinks or gone to another bar and carried their drinks into the performance venue.
But in what world does minor rudeness justify assault and verbal slurs?
So glad the perpetrator is being charged and prosecuted.
The free speech issue frustrates me because many don’t understand that the US protects free speech meaning that you cannot be discriminated against or penalized for criticizing the government or any *public* institution. Private companies still have the discretion to remove you from their premises or ban you from their business for almost *any* reason.
The protections for free speech are not a “get-off-Scott-free” card! You can still face many different consequences for what you say - both social and legal consequences depending on the situation and severity. I hate that some people think that it means you can say anything anywhere however you want and nothing should happen to you. Even if that man had not laid hands on the couple, Celebrity could still have every right (in the US) to ban them from the ship/line for what they said and the disturbance they caused. Of course, in this case, physical assault came into the equation so this was much more serious than just a free speech issue. I just need to rant a bit.
I’ve sat in that venue and observed many people being served at the bar during a performance. It is an informal, open space not a theatre. Your view can also be blocked if you’re seated in that venue watching a band play and people get up to dance. Do you assault someone over that as well? Glad to see Celebrity took the incident very seriously and handled the situation well.
This venue isn't a theater. It's primarily a bar with some tables and chairs and couches scattered around. People come and go during the entertainment. If all the seats are taken People might stand around and watch for awhile and then move on. Meanwhile, people are doing what people do at at bar; they get drinks. It's almost impossible to not block someone's view.
Wouldn't the person being arrested have to be prosecuted by the Country that the ship is registered in? If the ship was at sea when the incident occurred, then why would Ireland be involved?
Yes, ask Brittney Griner about not knowing the laws in other countries.
Very well articulated Jordan!
I have never been on a cruise, but I have witnessed a lot of hate spewing! Kudos to Celebrity for quickly taking action! I have my very first cruise booked with them this April and I am now so glad I chose them! This needs to be national news! People need to understand that this behavior is UNACCEPTABLE! I have a cousin that is in a same sex marriage and it totally infuriates me to hear what he has endured! Everyone, and I mean everyone, should know that you can’t help who you love and that regardless of sexuality, race, etc. EVERYONE should be treated with respect and dignity!
Golden rule treat everyone as you would like to be treated! Went to a Jamaican all inclusive resort once and the week we were there there was a large group of gay German men and another group of French lesbians and we had a blast!
Glad you had a wonderful vacation!
For years when I travel out of the country, I remember to think of myself as a guest of that country.
Countries vary from country to country.
Their social standards and norms vary from my country and others.
Be aware that people in other countries do things differently.
Also try to learn a few words in their language.
While you are not going to speak the language fluently they will know that you are at least trying to use their language.
Very sad incident indeed. The erosion of enforcement of laws in general in the world today is pathetic. That certainly enables narcissistic individual behaviors which will continue to devolve society for as long as it’s tolerated. Everyone has a “Right” until crosses, or is perceived to cross, another’s “Right.”
Since the Celebrity Beyond is flying the Malta flag and is registered there, I would think Malta would have jurisdiction over the incident at sea. I'm not sure how the Irish authorities would proceed outside their area. The ship itself would have it's own set of rules and guidelines to follow.
Hopefully one day soon you wont need to educate the people, it's sad that you have to explain it for them but thank you.
Hopefully the charges will send the right message to people who wouldn't listen otherwise.
Don't quite understand how standing at the bar that was serving drinks was rude or how it blocked the view of the performance. If you are viewing a show with a bar between you and the performance, don't be surprised to see people use the bar or that it temporarily blocks your view. .
Thank you for sharing this situation, and thank you for loving Celebrity Cruises. Celebrity is also our favorite and the one we cruise on always. We have compared and sailed in other cruise lines, and nothing compares to Celebrity!! On the other hand, the person who caused this problem got what he deserved. Because of people like him, is that this Country is in the state it is now, unfortunately........"Do unto others as you would have done unto you". Kindness goes a long way and of all places, a cruise, where people go to have fun and peace, is not the place for this kind of behavior. Everyone is accountable to God for their choices, and it's nobody else's business. Show love and kindness instead of hatred!!
I found a video of the Eden area during a performance... obviously a design flaw because MANY seats were behind the edge of the bar... too bad that someone with little or no patience had seats in the bad area... not sure what I think about what appears to be severe punishment... jail for pushing someone?
Yes! It was appropriate! A racist act would not be tolerated, even more so.
I'm curious what country the participants were from, both sides. Also, gender? It seems people are just ruder now than previously. I have seen older women berate clerks at the Supermarket. I think banning people from airlines, cruise ships, and stores is appropriate.
They got what they deserved. Hate speech is never acceptable
JUSTICE
Hey Jordan, I'm Tin (obviously). My partner and I are booked to sail on Navigator of the Seas', with Atlantis Events coming up October 23 out of LA.
What is going on w/ people?????? What happened to treat people how you want to be treated 😞 You two better always watch your backs 🙏
Good point, and actually on a ship it's a foreign registry. No excuse for poor behavior.
Thank you for the update. Like I commented on the first video, what happened to the same sex couple is absolutely WRONG, there was ZERO need to respond the way the people sitting behind the bar did.
I am also not trying to victim blame, but again I wonder if this couple, when “confronted” apologized for blocking the view, if things would have gone down differently.
How can one see this video of what happened?
I imagine everyone will say he was probably drunk. That doesn’t excuse him. I wish there was a way during that show that people can’t come up to the bar in the show. I was watching some singers in a hotel when a man started shouting for a beer. There are rude people anywhere.
I was on the Apex in June to Iceland. Great cruise!
I was in the cafe el baccio and overheard a straight couple maybe late 50’s say “my god they’re going overboard with the gay shit on this cruise”
Thankfully that’s all I’ve ever experienced. Just goes to show that there is a ton of unspoken and non acted on homophobia out there.
I will say celebrity does a great job with make us feel comfortable. Would be nice to see some representation in the shows but that’s a other story.
I dont see why it would be 'ok' to use such language or actions regardless of where you are in the world - be respectful
Cameras are everywhere!!!! Assault is not free speech. Two steps off the boat these guys would be mine!! Seriously. God help them.
My husband and I took an NCL cruise with eight friends back in 1991. On the formal night, they surprised us with a cake for our second anniversary. This so incensed a woman sitting at an adjacent table that she stormed into the Captian’s reception. The cruise director told us she barged through the reception line and accosted the captain to express her disgust. He passed her to the hotel manager, whom she asked whether NCL would invoke their policy to remove “disruptive passengers” from the ship. The hotel manager replied that the line certainly would. Did she and her husband wish to disembark the next day?
Then at the farewell dinner, with the restaurant festively decorated, a crown or tiara was at each place setting. The crew did not want to make any assumptions; at our table each place had both a crown and tiara.
Freedom of Speech doesn't mean "freedom of consequences." I grew up bullied and called names and have endured it my whole life due to my sexuality and living in the US South. Words don't hurt my feelings, it just shows someone else's ignorance and poor upbringing. But, if someone lays hands on me "first"....then it's "open season" and it's on like Donkey Kong!
No need for them dropping slurs to anyone or putting hands on them hope they get what they deserve. Happy travel guys
Goodness it's a vacation. Why be a jerk and assault another passenger. They got what they deserve!
Hi Jordan totally agree also i don't think anyone should put hands on you weather your sexuality. being in a different country you should follow all rules
This has nothing to do with “freedom of speech” when you verbally assaulted someone, you don’t have the right to do that?
Hate speech is never ok. Assault is never ok. I hope those people were banned from the cruise line as well. Just like on airlines, nasty behavior by self-entitled jerks cannot be ignored. If you can't travel nicely with others then please stay home!
You are correct that even though they were somewhat wrong they didn't deserve to have hate speech and hands put on them. I'm a straight man but I support all peoples life choices. Hate speech is not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in my opinion is for political arguments.
Freedom of Speech does not mean freedom from consequences. FAFO.
So, I’m going on my first cruise, I’m gay and in my 60’s traveling solo, are there many gay people cruising?
Yes! Plenty gay people cruise. We believe 7 night, Celebrity Edge Class ships are great at attracting a diverse demographic of people including lgbtq+ people. 🥳
Words hurt, end of discussion. FORGOT freedom of speech
It's a shame today the way some people AR
Say what you want to me--it reveals more about you than me, but touch me, and that's a whole other story--you'll be charged with assault or more.
Guess it isn't just CARNIVAL
Right on, lock him up and throw away the keys
I agree it is very wrong this is sad.
Wow! The couple who laid hands and used hate speech are going to learn a very hard and expensive lesson. as they SHOULD, it is Never Ever okay! Now my caveat : If only the same sex couple treated others with respect and kindness and didn’t refuse to move when asked, All this would have been avoided. The cruise line should absolutely close the bar during the performances to avoid confrontations like this. I also wonder if the same sex couple learned anything?
Your guess is as good as ours. 😅
Where in the world is it ok to put your hands on anyone? I haven't been there wherever it is.
Hey Jordan. Wow. Escorted off the ship and arrrested in Ireland? I missed it. Arrested for the homophobic slurs or for physical assault? The whole situation very unfortunate.
You spun that very well. Let me just say that placing hands on anyone is wrong and therefore should be punishable by law. Having said that, wouldn't this whole incident have been avoided if this same sex couple had shown some consideration? Again, placing hands on someone is worthy of being held accountable by law. But..... Being oblivious of others kinda sucks, Yes?
Now, lets talk about where Celebrity Cruises holds some responsibility. EDEN SUCKS! That bar has been the topic of more controversy on RUclips than any other particular establishment at sea. Don did a video on the same subject about a year ago where he had gotten to his show/dinner about 45min early only to have a few people during the show, walk up to the bar, order drinks then hang out and BS for a good 20 min ruining the show for Don and his guests.
For the record, I am not gay. I've been married to a woman for the past 32 years. I have absolutely no problem with same sex couples. I believe same sex couples have come a very long way over the past 40-50 years and rightfully so.
Now look at how I felt compelled to defend my position on same sex couples. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just all be equal and call it a day?
Well, I can dream, can't I ?
That’s good they should get arrested
Part of what surprises me here is that it's pretty well known that cruise ships are a popular vacation choice for gay couples. While I understand that cruise ships can hold 5000 passengers or more these days--and that such an enormous group is mixed of all different backgrounds and beliefs--I still can't wrap my mind around someone being so disgusted by encountering a gay couple on a cruise ship.
Sorry if this is the stereotype card, but to me it's like a homophobic person being upset that her hairdresser is gay. Of course not all cruisers, hairdressers, florists, or caterers are gay, but the percentage of gay people in those professions is probably a tick higher than in other walks of life. Same on a cruise ship--be prepared to find a slightly higher percentage of gay couples on board than you would in some other vacation situation. If you can't tolerate that, then maybe cruise ships aren't for you.
It’s totally unacceptable to physically or verbally assault anyone, is there no room for conflict resolution.? Perhaps it would behoove the cruise line to modify that area of the venue so that sight lines aren’t obstructed.
So glad these animals are being prosecuted.
Disgusting of any one to slur hate speech on someone else for any reason, and to touch someone else is not on... It's wrong on every level, they deserve what they get
They deserve everything that’s coming to them.
Maybe I missed it or maybe it goes without saying but, were they banned from the cruise line?
That is not confirmed at this time. That said, we would expect that these passengers would never dare step foot on this cruise line ever again given they suffered the consequences of their actions.
I thought it was one person who laid hands. But then you said the couple who laid hands. Confused
What are the violent hate crime laws like in Ireland? I know in the US, they'd be in deep trouble. Federal hate crime laws would doom them.
Not in “red” states
I’m confused about something, you originally said it was “one” man who assaulted the gay couple, but now, here, in the video you were saying “they” were taken to jail and “they” will face the consequences. So was it one person arrested or several? It’s not clear. Also, you said the couple is in a huge amount of trouble, but I thought they were the party that was assaulted, why would they be in trouble?
Apologies for the confusion-the man’s wife was also present and they both were taken off the ship.
@@JJCruise Thanks, that makes more sense now.
People are free to say what they want but if they say something hateful, expect consequences. I also feel like if that’s how the person truly feels about same sex couples it’s strange they would chose such an inclusive cruise line. I’m so sorry that happened to that couple. We should all try to be aware of our surroundings and courteous to our fellow cruisers.