Hands down the cookiest, most baseless Berserk theory is the idea that Skull Knight is King Gaiseric. Which makes no sense. Miura has made absolutely no hint that the two are related. And also, Gaiseric died 1000 years ago! No skeleton can live that long without calcium, and it's not like the Astral World's got an milk
During the what? I remember he became king after marrying Charlotte, he thanked Guts for never abandoning him and lived merrily the rest of his life with the band of the hawk
I also think this. The original Griffith, the one with remorse and love for the people, died during the eclipse. And a demon took his form and memories to be incarnate into the physical world.
@@eduardoledesma5568 wait, you're serious? For sure, Griffith changed after the eclipse, but not because he was possessed by a demon. He changed because he lost his "human" side, his "weakness". That's basically what becoming an apostle/a member of the godhand means. The entire point is that humans all have it in them to be monsters, even Guts as we see is tempted by his inner beast to do horrible things. When one becomes an apostle he doesn't become more evil, he simply loses the humanity that was letting him resist his darkest urges. A demon needing Griffith's body would contradict all that we know and is never even mentioned or alluded to, and it would make Griffith irrelevant (if the demon just needs a physical body, which he doesn't even get in the eclipse, would Griffith really be important and protected by causality?)
One theory I’ve seen that just hurts me is people thinking Casca is still going to choose Griffith over Guts or that she thinks Guts is the cause of the eclipse and not Griffith. Like my guy….in her dream sequence she literally saw Griffith as some scary bird trying to kill them and Guts as a loyal dog lol plus during the eclipse she said something to herself like “is this what you wanted Griffith??”.
Well, I subscribe to this theory due to two main reasons; 1. Casca has lost her memory of what Griffith did to her. She has some flashbacks about horrible daemons but she has yet to see flashbacks of Griffith in that state. She solely remembers that Griffith was tortured beyond belief. 2. Griffith is inhabiting the moonlight child's body, basically possessing it whenever the full moon is not out. This could confuse Casca's parental love in many ways. 3. Griffith has been shown to have basically brainwashing effects on the people around him. It is possible it can effect Casca. 4. Remember, Casca has not had time to have dealt with the pain and trauma, so she has basically been reset to pre-eclipse Casca. She is, practically, the same person as she was when she was leading the band of the hawk and idolizing Griffith. I strongly believe that Miura was going to have Casca leave with Griffith, or at the leave least TEASE it. Remember, Griffith is so petty, so absolutely inhuman, that it is definitely within his character to try and steal away Casca now that she is "sane" again. Just to get another one over on Guts; a final and disgusting act by that psychopath.
@@theravenousrabbit3671 Oh, absolutely. I heard a theory say that since Miura estimated Berserk to be only 50-60% through in its current state, that Guts was supposed to go through at least one more "edgy" period due to a painful ordeal. Casca leaving him for Griffith would absolutely damage him to the point of existential crisis. (His current purpose is to be the "Protector of Casca, the Branded Girl", after all.)
@@theravenousrabbit3671 no just no. Casca would have been healed by Farnese to remember everything in the Eclipse and she wouldn’t accept Griffith anymore but her motherly bond towards him would conflict with how she can get her son back while not accepting Griffith. She will choose Guts over Griffith 1,000 out of 1,000 times. Case closed
Skull knight isn't guts from the future, but he does represent a darker path that guts could have taken if he became consumed by the berserker armor. Skull Knight is a warning to guts essentially.
Flora basically said this almost 15 volumes ago. Time isnt a circle, but a spiral. SK is someone who is on a similar path to Guts, just like Flora being on a similar path to Schierke
I heard one that says "guts's mother is a witch/elf and the tree he was found at was a ritual that skull knight is part of and that's why he follows guts around "
Wait are you serious? Guts is literally shown doing inhuman feats in almost all of his fights literally with every swing of his sword at the bare minimum he's super human
@@nukal4338 I think it’s supposed to represent how Gut’s will to struggle/survive is. There was at the beginning of the manga where a man had an ax just as big as gut’s sword. He failed because he didn’t know his weapon like guts knows his. But he really is limited because when you see him battle against the god hand he’s outmatched
@@nukal4338 if he was anyone else like naruto, he would gain the abilities to take the god out. Guts gets the berserker armor but it comes at a price. Also there’s no guarantee guts would survive the finally if it had been ended. I’m not sure if guts would be killed or not.
I think the one thing that you can say makes Guts special is it seems that his existence falls outside the rules of causality. It started with him surviving under the tree and then every action since than changes the course of causality further and further from the god hand’s plan. He is the fish that creates the ripple like skull knight said.
Or there is another possibility that "causality" is what's actually keeping him alive. Maybe to bring the reign of the Godhand to an eventual permanent end?
Multiple things about him don't add up. His immense, superhuman strength, his weird knack for accidentally meeting supernatural figures or getting caught up in supernatural events, and his absolute inability to die all imply he's not just some guy. He's clearly broken fate somewhere, probably multiple times
@@Bighomie39 he isnt a superhuman, he trained only with big swords thats why he is so adept to them, the supernatural part is literrally because of the brand of sacrifice.
The "Zodd being Guts' father theory" is somewhat plausible, but establishing that Guts has some degree of supernatural strength from being half-apostle all along really cheapens the severity of his struggle and his battles, and it robs Berserk of what sets it apart from a lot of Shonen battle-type stories.
That's not plausible because theres no mention of zodd having sex and he loves only fighting did you forgot apostles having sex only creates demon baby's
@@mothh7600 honestly he'd probably be called like "the left hand of God" or "the first of God" man would probably be nothing but all the rage and violence of man incarnate.
@@mothh7600 I don’t know about most powerful entity (idea of evil takes that spot), but he would either be close to or on par with the godhand. He literally goes toe to toe with Zodd regularly AS A FUCKING HUMAN. Imagine if guts was an apostle. By that point the Godhand would have no other option but to consider Guts a threat
@@Creatic58 I disagree, someone can get as powerful as he wants, but as long as he is an apostle he can never be a threat to the godhand, because apostles are created inferior and subservient to the godhand and it is impossible to change that. Just think of ganishka: he was a very powerful apostle and hated the godhand, but ultimately he was unable to even stand in front of Griffith. The only way for him to even try to challenge Griffith was to become something more than an apostle, something different. Even then, he was hardly a menace for the godhand: Griffith barely had to try in order to defeat him, because causality was on his side, so even then he didn't really risk losing.
@@samuele7098 yea, and in the Black Swordsman arc the God Hand insisted that the pain inflicted upon him through the Brand in their presence would make it impossible for him to stand in their presence and could kill him... yet through sheer force of will he disproved them. the same reason Guts will never be an Apostle is the same reason a theoretical Apostle Guts could be a threat to them if they stood on the same plain as he. his will is greater than their own, greater than the Apostles. great enough not to become a demon and to fight against becoming a monster while gaining the power to face them. their wills all broke, and they all cast off their humanity for that some sort of power. I suspect that will of his would transition to any theoretical Apostle transformation he could have... a force of will great enough to defy his fate all his life is a force of will great enough to defy the God Hand even as an Apostle. Ganishka, like all Apostles essentially broke and never put themselves back together, Guts broke, and is putting himself back together... because he is greater than they are.
Time travel in berserk definitely is not a thing. It is history repeating itself. Edit: And also if SK was Guts, there's no way he'd use such a teeny weeny sword and shield. That's for weaklings or nobles.
@@wilderbeast9368 it literally says its a spiral in the story, in that exact wording when skerike is talking to her teacher... time doesn't perfect repeat, but it mirrors the past.
My biggest theory is that Zodd was one of, if not, the first Apostles created. I say this mostly to hype him up, but also because his age is vague. If Skull Knight (as King Gaisarek) was at least 800-1000 years old and Zodd keeps referring to him as old friend, then there should be some deep history beyond Skull Knight fighting Zodd while trying to get to void. Zodd is also familiar with the Berserk armor before Gaisarek died. My last point is that Zodd stated after seeing Griffith’s behelit that he recalls a scenario fate was playing at for Griffith to become Femto. I believe his recollection of this series of events prompted him to be able to tell Guts his “prophecy”. Just as Skull Knight did later in the story. Clearly the two are familiar with what happened between Gaisarek and the Sage (assumed to be Void)
That would be something but Zodd only has a history of a couple centuries in the battlefield. Nowhere near 1,000 years like King Gaiseric but within that time of confronting SK he could have learned about his history back then
@@c.galindo9639 well that’s far back as his mercenary reputation goes. But he could have been around longer. Even at 300 years of reported sightings, Zodd is still the oldest Apostle that we’ve seen so far in Berserk. But I just feel the history is limited because there is no real history of Vritannia between now and Gaisarek’s reign (aside from the war between Midland and Tudor).
@@duelistwitheyesofblue2950 yeah Zodd’s past is as vague as Skull Knight’s as we already know SK is King Gaiseric and he had a kingdom that existed 1,000 years ago in Berserk history and that 4 angels, the Godhand, destroyed it when summoned by someone King Gaiseric had wronged or something like that. Zodd is just given a history as a sort of god of war whereas he is widely known in many different battles throughout the ages at least a century old and is like mercenary folklore. He has had encounters with SK in the past but when they first met is a mystery as it isn’t specifically stated by either of them of how long they actually crossed paths against each other in the past
@@c.galindo9639 Maybe he was a potential god-hand or seeking that position. For him to fly away from griffith when he saw the beherit must mean that he knew a prophecy or knew of the eclipse events. When Gut's saw the image of the city burning along with his gaiseric's girl in his arm. It is shown just like the eclipse ceremony and perhaps Zodd was around that time considering their "old friends." like u guys said.
@@mangobro6153 Zodd is a warrior type of Apostle so he isn’t a likely candidate for a Godhand position nor has enough history shown to be around SK’s time when he was King Gaiseric. I would say at most Zodd is 500 years old as his legend doesn’t date as far back or near the King Gaiseric lore in Berserk. He is a supernatural being so him understanding the ceremonies and Causality wouldn’t be anything out of the ordinary. All Apostles know their masters, the Godhand, so having some understanding of prophecies and such isn’t anything special for them
Actually Guts is schizophrenic and all his companions after eclipse like Puck, Isidoro, Schierke,Farnese are just hallucinations. Schierke kinda sounding like Schizo is a clear way of telling readers this.
Guts is a nobody, that's the point of him! Also, I just realized that apostles, both in their sacrifices and designs, represent nihilism. And it's brilliant!
@@sylokthedefiled yeah, their values, their personal connections, the command of "do as thou wilt," and their often senseless body structures in their apostle forms, which while more dadaist still parallels the sense of meaninglessness in nihilism.
@@mrminecraftcubeable the sensing of “Elf” from Puck was probably just hinting at the connection to them/Elfhelm way back when. His appearance there just confirmed that feeling from Puck to be accurate! Just a shame we might never get that whole story/connection to Danan or the person that resembles her in the vision.
I once came up with the theory that the we see Guts subvert fate and causality such as surviving the Eclipse is because being born from a hanging corpse into a puddle of blood basically tricked the world/Idea of Evil into thinking he was dead, so like Steins;Gate rules if you know that stuff, and from that point on causality would no longer function around him the same way as it would others. Hes basically a 2 in a sea of 1s and 0s that goes on infinitely.
That's a cool theory actually, but I think it still does what many other theories do: robs Guts of what he is. He struggles against causality and wins through sheer force of will, and that's much cooler than any "Chosen One", lineage, or supernatural cosmic glitch.
As the story developed and I matured along with it, I couldn't imagine Guts and Griffith ever actually killing each other. If you're interested, I'd love to discuss this idea with you more - but it comes down to destiny not playing out what it was meant to because of key variables. I know that has nothing to do with the video, but I guess it plays into theories I've seen that either apply a simplistic outcome or a completely depressing one.
Completely agree with you! They would definitely be facing each other at some point, but the story is not about killing anymore. I'm sure if you look closely at Guts behaviour in Elfhelm, you would think that maybe Guts himself doesn't know if he wants to pursuit his revenge or not. Unlike his beast of darkness, though.
@@АндрейДвуличанский-я7е Honestly, I had this idea that Griffith arrives at Elfhelm and asks Guts to accompany him back to Falconia. Griffith shows Guts what he's doing, uniting the world and creating a utopia. Guts isn't convinced and asks if Griffith is planning to sacrifice his kingdom just like he did "The Hawks". Griffith is genuinely confused, displaying some actual emotion, after all this is what he wants. Guts challenges this, asking Griffith if he is content - following on from themes throughout the series. Finally, Griffith asks "Why did you leave the Band of the Hawks?" That's when Guts admits he heard Griffith say at the fountain with Charlotte - about what Griffith considers a friend. Guts felt to be seen as Griffith's equal, he needed to have his own destiny and ambition. Griffith listens and then he begins to laugh. He laughs and laughs and laughs. But understand, this isn't Femto laughing, this is Griffith - this is the old Griffith who never truly died because the sacrifice was never actually completed (as both Guts and Casca escaped). And Griffith admits to Guts, "I always considered you my friend. You were my only equal." And now, Guts laughs, because how could he not? Everything they went through, all this misery, all this pain, the death, the carnage - all because they didn't just talk to each other and because of a misunderstanding. Sorry for my mini-essay, fanfic, this is only part of what I imagine, but I think there is some merit to it.
@@Thefufflylord I don't see this going quite so easily or happily, just doesn't seem to fit with the mood of the story to me. But I do see them at least talking during or after a fight and deciding to leave each other be, parting ways but still not quite sure how to feel about what had transpired.
@@grosstoastie1216 Oh, you misunderstand me. Guts doesn't forgive Griffith, can't forgive Griffith, but given everything which has happened I could see Griffith and Guts finding humour in all of it - one of those, what else can you do but laugh? I think that in the End Guts realises that his quest for revenge on Griffith won't really accomplish anything and if Griffith is using his power for "good" becoming the God that people desire, then I see the two having peace with each other. Keep in mind, this is just Griffith and Guts, others might feel differently. I don't believe at this point Griffith wants to kill Guts, in fact, I don't think he ever did. As for Guts, how can he kill Griffith now considering Griffith is now literally his and Casca's child? I think the real unsung hero Berserk is the egg of the Perfect World. I've often wondered how much he changed Berserk... Honestly, I find him to be a fascinating character and I would go so far as to say he is the only genuinely good and pure character in the story and world of Berserk.
@@Thefufflylord Pursuing the revange on Griffith, Guts would only become Griffith's equal - which in this case would be huge stepdown. Through moving on, and accepting people he loves instead of those he hates, he would ultimately grow. Griffith's punishment would be living in the world where he will never be connected to any other person, simply longing for different outcome of his actions, and friends he sacrificed. He will be worshipped, but not understood - the fate of the king he always so desired, making him true king of Longing for the world he rejected himself. But I also think that Griffith's idea of breaking societies norms, and creating more egalitarian society is something he dreamt of and is still pursuing. Where commoner can become a king, where he creates schools and orphanages, caring about future of kingdom. He could succumb to tyranny, but he still "cares" and makes things easier for people of Falconia. To some extent I think that he is opposing Idea of Evil and desires to reduce its influence, and reams of making world better. The only thing that makes me wonder if the abyss where souls go - if it is horrible hell as we think it is or is it something else? Supposedly the souls that got there lose their individuality and act based on their last emotion - which is anguish in most cases. But if Griffith sends there souls that experienced sense of conclusion and satisfaction, by saying goodbye to their loved ones, wouldn't that make them feel serenity in the abyss? Through sending such calms ouls there, perhaps idea of evil might be changed itself, no longer feeding of negative emotions.
up until the last chapter i was like "skull knight is the moon light boy from the future, thats why he didnt stop the eclipse because he was born there" and when he turned into griffith i had to be like "yea okay maybe i was wrong"
Ryan: when has time travel been apart of berserk Netflix: give us berserk live action version and we will make sure there’s time travel! And we guarantee there’s a love scene between guts and griffith
@@johnnyboy2537 I don’t know if Griffith wanted guts THAT way. His “encounters” with Charlotte and casca were about control and dominance. Griffith is a wonderfully complex character where he keeps you guessing. He is vocal to guts but yet he’s still mysterious Also Netflix doesn’t care how the characters are, all they care about is what sells in hollywood and two men going at it will make money. It doesn’t have to be about in-depth struggle of life and lost. Look at death note American version!
@@whitedragoness23 I sure as shit don't want Netflix touching it. I think part of it is Griffith doesn't even fully understand his feelings and desires. Definitely seems like it. Considering he thinks about Guts when he's banging Charlotte, dodges Guts asking why he keeps sticking his neck out for him, and says he was the only one to make him forget about his dream? There's also the breakdown he has after having sex with Charlotte that points to it since he definitely didn't enjoy it. That's a lot of hints on top of how he acts around Guts and his body language when he's talking to him. I used to not know but after my latest go through I definitely think it's the case. Just finished that conversation between him and Guts after Zodd and his body language is just like a girl who had a thing for me and didn't want to come out and say it. Just glad Miura was smart enough to be subtle and not make Griffith flaming or some annoying preachy message about gay rights. Just a dude who is probably gay but in denial about it or doesn't even understand his own wants or urges. Makes it more interesting and the conversation about it fun to have as long as it isn't with Tumblrites. Also like I said I don't think Guts swings that way so it would be an unrequited love.
@@johnnyboy2537 I’m torn between if Griffith wants guts as a lover or he sees Griffith as family. He is at least very possessive of guts and sees him as a replacement for his affections, brotherly love, family, lover(?), friend, confidant, etc. He sees guts as something to earn and keep. No he didn’t enjoy what he did with Charlotte but even with casca $ex isn’t about love. It’s about dominance and control. Could he ever equate love and $ex together? I’m not fully sure. Is he gay? Again I’m not sure, nothing is completely black and white or clear cut in berserk. Is Griffith struggling with his gay side while having to keep up a straight appearance in a heterosexual world? That wouldn’t surprise me and being gay would weaken his image as high class people want a guy who will produce heirs I will agree Griffith either doesn’t understand romantic feels or just is denying being close to anyone because that would break him down. He’s alway keeps a certain image about himself. Even friendship doesn’t seem to be a part of it and he sacrifices much of his human side as he can. Maybe emotions and attachments are just too dangerous to have in their world. Muira is above the whole preach gay stuff. He can like a expert, put a gay person in there with layers and their mindset. It would t surprise me if Griffith was gay. WHO DOESNT think he’s not gay? I wanted to know from Muira himself, but sadly it can’t be confirmed if he’s gay or just emotionally stunted and clingy. He could be asexual for all I know. And I think Ryan mention that? Why muira! Why??!
I feel it's definitely key that guts remains human with his lineage not mattering, but I believe that he's more a byproduct or a result/affect of the godhand messing with causality and fate. kind of the counterweight to Griffith in the grand scheme of things, only representing humanity and the world prior to the godhand
I get the "Zodd is Guts' father" thing... kind of.. they look very similar, and have a lot of similar characteristics.. BUT this isn't what Berserk is about. Knowing his parentage is stupid and not necessary.
Anyone who thinks Guts or anyone in the party is gonna use the behlit to make a sacrifice either hasn't been paying attention, or only read Berserk for the edge/angst.
Wouldn't make sense because skullknight did have a lover and died and still has a grudge and hate against god hand, why would he have sex with another female but for some reason he wasn't there to save her from being hanged? He would have saved her like he saved casca too.
What do you guys think how would the next chapter start if Kentaro Miura didn't die? Would Casca get another panic attack when she sees Griffith just like she got with Guts? This happens because she's got "thorns on her heart" but if I remember correctly Schierke and Farneze didn't tell it to Dannan. Can she cure her heart or anybody else could do it on Elfheim?
My theory is that situation would somehow escalate and Griffith and Guts would fight when group is in danger. There is no way it was coincidence that Griffith was in most vunerable position since Eclipse. He awakens on different place. Being at elfheimbmight mess with his powers. Skull Knight and Elf Quuen backs up Guts. Griffith in last moment of desperation takes Guts behelit and triggers second eclipse by sacrificing Falconia. I also think that despite that he still looses and Guts and company has to deal with Godhand and whatever the are planning
I think Griffith would temporarily join Guts' group like how the Moonlight Boy did at the beach. Casca would conveniently forget about the Eclipse long enough to talk with Griffith. Then Griffith goes back to Falconia after a chapter or 2. The alternative is that Griffith inadvertently summons Zodd and a bunch of demons to Elhelm and there's a fight scene.
My theory would be they would fight, the opening would be Guts consumed by rage, punches Femto with all of his strength, guts screams Griffith's name waking everyone up, and guts starts trying to kill Griffith, Casca would have the worst panic attack in her life and Guts will scream to Griffith shonen style on "how dare he show his face to him, to Casca." while still trying bludgeon Griffith.
I'm pretty sure the whole "Guts is the Zodd's child" thing is because people like the idea of it, even if it doesn't make any sense when you think about it. Same goes for "Guts is Skull Knight", but to a lesser extent.
As far as I'm concerned, the "Guts is Zodd's son" theory is almost exclusively used by people who want an explanation for how Guts was able to perform blatantly superhuman feats of strength like cutting through solid steel or decapitating an armored horse during the Golden Age arc. As though something like that warrants an explanation when there are characters who also perform ridiculous things like Casca surviving the same fall as Guts into water(because falling into still water is just as deadly as concrete), or literally anything supernatural at all in the first place
The Zodd being Guts's dad theory comes from the fan translation of the PS2 game. Even if you ignore the facts that the game isn't canon and that it's a FAN translation, the only evidence to support this theory is Zodd referring to Guts as "my boy" in one line, even though it's normal to refer to someone you know as that, especially if they're younger than you and you're trying to be a bit playful with them (which Zodd was). It's a REALLY stupid theory.
I have a theory that Zodd might have been a mentee of Skull Knight similar to Guts. Maybe Zodd had beef with an Apostle and Skull Knight saw himself in Zodd (like he sees himself in Guts). He tried to help Zodd, but like Guts, Zodd lost himself along the way and was lured into darkness. He was offered a faster way to get what he wanted by the Godhand. By accepting their offer, Zodd betrayed Skull Knight and became his enemy.
So here's a theory lol what if the sage was like varyus from game of thrones and legitimately loved the kingdom? The girl we see in skull knights arms is the sages sister, and he committed some sort of heinous crime against his sister causing him to be tortured by the king. A lot of berserk is about time being a circle and repeating itself. So I can definitely see the parallels there. The sage finds a belhit while being tortured and his sacrifice is the kingdom. Makes a lot of sense as to why it fell overnight, why skull knight hates void, and sticks to the theme.
How about this for a theory; Guts’ father is…Puck! It would explain his pointy ears and possibly his strength. Being half- human, half-elf might improve physical power, and we don’t know exactly how long elves live for. Puck could’ve crawled up in Guts’ mom’s Qliphort hole and left a lil Guts sperm. Maybe that’s why she was executed, for carrying an elf’s child and being labeled a heretic
My theory is that the berserker armor when it was crafted, was just a regular armor. It may be much stronger then other armors, but nothing like making you a mad beast. When skool knight have see his love one dead, he was so full of rage, he wanted so much to kill every thing around him, that feelings wore imprimated in to the armor, making it what it is now. Sorry for the bad english.
I heard a theory that king gaeseric after using the berserk armor split in into two hia inner beast of darkness took over his body and became zodd while his consciousness was transferred to this armor by shierke teacher and became skull knight
I saw a video about that by Tranquil Dionysean and I really think it's one of the dumbest theories haha (love my dude Tranquil though he's got some fantastic analysis vids on berk)
Hey dude, wanna say it's cool to see a WORST pop up in a video title, you know, there's nothing wrong with positivity but I feel a lot of creators are afraid to explore they're dislikes or negative topics, but I at least find it extremely fun to discuss art or opinions we hate. Idk man I guess I'm just saying don't be afraid of yer own opinions like so many people are today. I enjoy hearing about what people despise as much as hearing about what they love.
You're way too nice, Ryan. I've been reading these theories for years and if I had to make a video on them I'd call it: "How to determine if your kid is missing a chromosome with Beserk theories". There some of the most absurd theories I've heard since the times of good Game of Thrones seasons (when people said tha Jaqen was secretly Rhaegar because he had a white patch of hear XD).
Has anyone ever thought about how similar guts is to Raiden from Metal Gear? Their background as child soldiers, their occupation as mercenaries, the sword with the ability to cut through the uncuttable. As well as the black armor, the fact that theyve both lost their left arm and an eye, their own ‘berserker’ powerups (Guts’ berserker armor/ Raiden’s ripper mode) that they actively try to keep at bay, shitty father figures, and a drive to push through all pain to achieve their goals. They even have similar enemies, being people who sacrificed their humanity for power, but who still have some semblance of it left, who follow a charismatic leader who wishes to mould the world in their image
I’m kinda a gatekeeper only when it comes to Berserk. I owe a LOT to Miura. I always welcome new fans I meet and talk to, but when they say they got into it a week ago then claim to know EVERYTHING etc etc.
What if Guts had become the new Skull Knight at the end of the series, the story jumped ahead hundreds of years, and Guts approached the next struggler? Would that have been a good ending?
It would be kinda disappointing, the whole point is fighting causality Maybe it would work if he became a skullknight and prevented the god hand and any apostles from apearing again, making sure the eclipse never repeats, but even then it would be kinda meh
That's 100 BS ending, so pretty much no. Guts struggling journey is literally the anti thesis of Gaiseric demised. Hence why Skull Knight keep warned him about permanent damaging effects of keep wearing berserker armor.
Guts using the behelit has to be one of my most hated fan theories. Like you said @RealLifeRyan, what makes Guts special as MC is that he isn't special, and doesn't come from some demonic lineage or whatever. And to me even if that's where the story is going it would be an extreme disservice to the story of berserk and character of Guts.
The theory I've always believed (not a theory per se) is Gaiseric was stronger than Guts. As a human we've only seen Boscogne and Griffith challenge Guts in h2h duels but both lost. No one as a human has been able to straight up take Guts in 1v1 and has won. However what if we put the back in the day version of Skull Knight against Guts? The same dude who ruled the biggest empire and used the armor to such an extent that he literally burned out his existence. I'm not saying he'd win in a stomp or something like that but if pre eclipse or even post eclipse (no armor) Guts found King Gaiseric he would either have a hard time beating him or would lose after a tough one. I believe in this one
The one that makes me rageful is that Zodd & Gaeseric are 2 halves of the same person. SK even says something during their fight to the effect of shouldn't you be with your kind in the Interstiss
@@ahmadfahmii if he were to use a behelit he would sacrifice his entire crew I guess the godhand would offer him a deal to become stronger than griffith and he would take it
I very much agree with you Ryan, these theories are just far-fetched. Below I have added what I think of these theories and the last part responds a little to all three, or at least the last two in particular. Having said that I really appreciate your videos, and your analysis. :) 1) The first is clearly wrong, and you explain why yourself very well, thanks to all the details that Miura has let us find in his masterpiece. 2) The second is pure fantasy and too forced to be one of the possible secrets that the mangaka has unfortunately not left us. 3) The third is the ugliest, in my opinion, and outside the character of Guts .. moreover, if we want to analyze the origin of his surprising strength there are some clues that almost highlight it (at least in my opinion): Guts, being one of the branded by the brand, lives (as mentioned in the manga) in the interstice of the real world with the astral one .. so from this we can deduce or suppose that he somehow manages to channel his willpower and transform it in a means to take down his enemies with the Dragon Slayer. His sword also exists in that intersection (this is also said in the manga) and is now impregnated with the blood of demons / apostles and has unique properties thanks to this .. so Guts is not a demon, half-demon or whatever only a human. It is his immense willpower that makes him survive.
I love theories as they do make the fandom more enjoyable and as an incomplete story make you question a lot but my days can some people come up with the stupidest stuff
The only, bare bones reason I could see someone might associate Zodd with Guts is his human form being decently similar to Guts, which isn't saying much, human Zodd is just a big beefy dude with a similar messy short hairstyle to Guts
I have my own theory and I am perfectly okay with being completely wrong about it, but I think it works. First off, I agree in Guts representing the strength of humanity, but I don't believe the whole "Guts isn't special and that's why he's special". I think there's too many references and events that play out throughout his life that contradict this belief. I do wholeheartedly believe there is a greater power is working alongside him granting him some level of fortune and strength in battle. You can't have an Idea of Evil without the opposite also existing to give it meaning. And if the Idea of Evil was created as a manifestation of people looking for something to explain suffering, then the Idea of Hope must have also been created as a way to fight back against it. And what character personifies that better then Guts himself and his sheer willpower and strength. Just a way to make "plot armor" actually canon.
Yeah those are ridiculous theories that go against the lore itself. I see those a lot as well and it’s annoying but somewhat entertaining to see their pov. Great video
I like to think skull knight was to king geiseric (probably misspelled) what guts was to Griffith. Though the skull knight is actually the king theory makes a lot of sense. I’d like to think geisric is actually void. And that’s what led him to lead the godhand. I also do believe Griffith isn’t their leader just a pawn
Boys skull knight is just putting himself in guts to just not made the same mistakes he did when he was alive in the physical world. About Griffith demon, what I think is this one (demon) already disappear because as you can see he can just come up like that, when those apostles shows up and he must appear to.
⚠⚠⚠⚠ I think griffth is void from the future 😔 and i think guts is his own father from the future as well :( griffth is a girl Void and skull knight have the same or similar abilities, I think the same thing happened with Guts but Void sacrificed Skull night, etc. and since they have similar abilities to open rifts in space I wonder if Guts has the same abilities as griffth to change causality and that's why Guts hasn't died until today.
the closest thing i can think of about apostles procreating are pseudo apostles, I can't remember this correctly but I think there was a scene where Ganishka made some troll like creatures by dipping pregnant women in a vat of darkness or something I really don't remember.
I have a totally baseless theory that Morda is actually Theresia from the black swordsman arc, she vowed to kill Guts at the end of the arc and I thought she could possibly discover magic and went to elf Island. Since time moves differently there that could explain why she's older, biding her time to get a chance at attacking Guts. However I have zero evidence to prove any of this theory aside from both Morda and Theresia having black hair lmao
I have this theory that Rickert is going to meet a former member of the Godhand who had been transformed back into human. Maybe when Godhand members are killed they face a fate they would hate more than death. Aka. Becoming a weakling human and facing the consequences of their actions and the fact that they did evil things. Maybe he wants to atone for his deeds as a Godhand by helping defeat them for good. I don’t have a lot of basis for this, but who really knows.
I just hate when people need things spelled out for them to grasp what's happening. Most people can't read between the lines to figure the answers out themselves. I've known SK was Gaiseric since they first showed Gaiseric and Guts had his reaction to it, and everything since has merely confirmed it even more. Many stupid theories are a result of this sort of thing, of people having to have it literally spelled out for them and insisting that until it is, their theory is somehow valid no matter how absurd and detached from the story it is.
You know, I look at a lot of ears all day long in my work. I work in healthcare, namely with teeth…… I have seen some pointy ears that look just like Guts’s ears. I am pretty sure they were humans I was looking at. Just say’n. 🤷♀️
The whole "Guts is a descendant of supernatural beings" theory is how Berserk would progress if it was a Marvel movie. But Miura is just flat out, a better writer than that.
to be fair time travel is shown in berserk, like how puck knows about star wars, or the time he got a modern police uniform, or the time he got a fucking minifridge
Hold up. I love you dood, but I have one issue . The "Zod is Gatsu's daddy" theory. You said it's never been shown or even referenced that an apostle could or would mate with a human... But that literally does happen, and despite what it may be now, Casca still gave birth to a child that probably came from Griffith. Even if it was Gut's child that got corrupted after Griffith did what he did to Casca, it still ended up being some form of Apostle/Human procreation. Still, great video and I appreciate what you do.
I think the craziest theory I heard is that SkullKnight is the king, Zodd was his rival. After the sage used the crimson behlit to become void, zodd and skullknight survived. Skullknight chose to fight the God hand with flora resurrecting him. And Zodd decided to join the God hand as an apostle
You can argue that he may slowly become Demonic having his Inner Beast or Beast of Darkness eating away at him every time he loses control. It could also be a sanity gauge, the more you give into impulses the more you slowly become a Demon.
One theory of mine kind of puts Guts into the "super special anime boy" category, but I don't think it ruins who he is and the message he gives to the reader. I think Guts isn't bound entirely by causality, or fate, or whatever. That maybe, the creator(s) of the fate of all beings (most likely the idea of evil) had some kind of glitch, or made a mistake. Maybe Guts was meant to die under that tree, but because of that mistake, he sort of falls out of place of the natural order of things, and can't be put back in. An odd piece in a puzzle. Instead of having his fate written as "Guts faces Zodd, and dies in battle" his fate is open ended "Guts faces Zodd, and MAY die in battle". This would also explain why he survived the eclipse, as the brand of sacrifice is causality being written to give the branded a horrible death, and afterlife, completely inescapable, but Guts being outside fate, is barely able to resist it. This puts him entirely on his own, so he's still very susceptible to dying, but he can find a way to avoid it, and even influence those around him, like Farnese, who was probably fated to stay leader of the Holy Iron Chain Knights if not for Guts' influence. Side note: Guts saying multiple times that he doesn't care where he dies, but still fighting tooth and nail to survive may be causality trying to bring him back to his original fate.
Hands down the cookiest, most baseless Berserk theory is the idea that Skull Knight is King Gaiseric. Which makes no sense. Miura has made absolutely no hint that the two are related. And also, Gaiseric died 1000 years ago! No skeleton can live that long without calcium, and it's not like the Astral World's got an milk
idk if you’re being sarcastic or not
@@ThePunishedPollo my brother in christ he definitely is sarcastic
@@ThePunishedPollo are you really not sure if he's sarcastic or not when he brings up the life expectancy of skeletons?
@@tikaal welll skeleton life expectancy is important, any skeleton over 1000 years old that I’ve seen, is dead
The calcium bit got me thinking about another skeleton...
I heard this wacky theory that Femto is actually Griffith. Y’all are crazy, Grfiff died during the eclipse.
During the what? I remember he became king after marrying Charlotte, he thanked Guts for never abandoning him and lived merrily the rest of his life with the band of the hawk
I also think this. The original Griffith, the one with remorse and love for the people, died during the eclipse. And a demon took his form and memories to be incarnate into the physical world.
@@eduardoledesma5568 wait, you're serious?
For sure, Griffith changed after the eclipse, but not because he was possessed by a demon. He changed because he lost his "human" side, his "weakness". That's basically what becoming an apostle/a member of the godhand means.
The entire point is that humans all have it in them to be monsters, even Guts as we see is tempted by his inner beast to do horrible things. When one becomes an apostle he doesn't become more evil, he simply loses the humanity that was letting him resist his darkest urges.
A demon needing Griffith's body would contradict all that we know and is never even mentioned or alluded to, and it would make Griffith irrelevant (if the demon just needs a physical body, which he doesn't even get in the eclipse, would Griffith really be important and protected by causality?)
Femto betrayed and murdered Griffith. From a certain point of view.
This banter, i like it
What makes guts special is that he's not , Shonen watchers are gonna have a hard time understanding that
RIP Monkey D. Luffy 1997-2022
He is in his own way,just not chosen one type of special
Shonen Readers: B-But he doesn't have any super powerful genetics! How is he so powerful?!
Berserk Readers (Intellectuals): Because he struggles.
@@bankruptedwizard1413 Just an almost 7 feet tall, hulking mountain of muscles of a man, no special genetics
@@joejoejoej9763 lots of walking mountains in berserk though. Hes hardly the tallest guy.
Craziest theory I've heard
'Shnoz is just a background character and there's nothing special about them'
Fr bro why would anyone think that
That person mysteriously disappeared for some reason after saying that.
Huh, Causality?
wtf that's more stupid than all the theories in this video combined
Shnoz is the master mind
What a bunch of horse shit
One theory I’ve seen that just hurts me is people thinking Casca is still going to choose Griffith over Guts or that she thinks Guts is the cause of the eclipse and not Griffith. Like my guy….in her dream sequence she literally saw Griffith as some scary bird trying to kill them and Guts as a loyal dog lol plus during the eclipse she said something to herself like “is this what you wanted Griffith??”.
Griffith’s fan Club
Well, I subscribe to this theory due to two main reasons;
1. Casca has lost her memory of what Griffith did to her. She has some flashbacks about horrible daemons but she has yet to see flashbacks of Griffith in that state. She solely remembers that Griffith was tortured beyond belief.
2. Griffith is inhabiting the moonlight child's body, basically possessing it whenever the full moon is not out. This could confuse Casca's parental love in many ways.
3. Griffith has been shown to have basically brainwashing effects on the people around him. It is possible it can effect Casca.
4. Remember, Casca has not had time to have dealt with the pain and trauma, so she has basically been reset to pre-eclipse Casca. She is, practically, the same person as she was when she was leading the band of the hawk and idolizing Griffith.
I strongly believe that Miura was going to have Casca leave with Griffith, or at the leave least TEASE it. Remember, Griffith is so petty, so absolutely inhuman, that it is definitely within his character to try and steal away Casca now that she is "sane" again. Just to get another one over on Guts; a final and disgusting act by that psychopath.
@@theravenousrabbit3671 u convinced me
@@theravenousrabbit3671 Oh, absolutely. I heard a theory say that since Miura estimated Berserk to be only 50-60% through in its current state, that Guts was supposed to go through at least one more "edgy" period due to a painful ordeal. Casca leaving him for Griffith would absolutely damage him to the point of existential crisis. (His current purpose is to be the "Protector of Casca, the Branded Girl", after all.)
@@theravenousrabbit3671 no just no. Casca would have been healed by Farnese to remember everything in the Eclipse and she wouldn’t accept Griffith anymore but her motherly bond towards him would conflict with how she can get her son back while not accepting Griffith.
She will choose Guts over Griffith 1,000 out of 1,000 times.
Case closed
Skull knight isn't guts from the future, but he does represent a darker path that guts could have taken if he became consumed by the berserker armor. Skull Knight is a warning to guts essentially.
Um
I like this way to see him
Flora basically said this almost 15 volumes ago. Time isnt a circle, but a spiral. SK is someone who is on a similar path to Guts, just like Flora being on a similar path to Schierke
@@Thearmyofsnipers Nah it was spoken about in the Golden age arc by Joe. He specifically stated it when Guts was in the forest.
A cautionary tale to be exact same like Zodd is warning to guts on what he’ll turn into if became an apostle
Guts’ entire selling point is the fact that he is human and limited 😭
I heard one that says "guts's mother is a witch/elf and the tree he was found at was a ritual that skull knight is part of and that's why he follows guts around "
Wait are you serious? Guts is literally shown doing inhuman feats in almost all of his fights literally with every swing of his sword at the bare minimum he's super human
@@nukal4338 I think it’s supposed to represent how Gut’s will to struggle/survive is. There was at the beginning of the manga where a man had an ax just as big as gut’s sword. He failed because he didn’t know his weapon like guts knows his. But he really is limited because when you see him battle against the god hand he’s outmatched
@@whitedragoness23 yes against literal demons and gods he's outmatched bro lmao if it takes that to stop him he's obviously more than just human
@@nukal4338 if he was anyone else like naruto, he would gain the abilities to take the god out. Guts gets the berserker armor but it comes at a price. Also there’s no guarantee guts would survive the finally if it had been ended. I’m not sure if guts would be killed or not.
I think the reason guts exists outside of causality is because in the eyes of causality, he is already dead due to the circunstances of his birth
As in him being born out of his dead mother? Is that what you mean?
@@nahnotreally2337 Yep
Like Steins;Gate rules.
Actually that's not a stupid theory
that is a great fucking theory
I think the one thing that you can say makes Guts special is it seems that his existence falls outside the rules of causality. It started with him surviving under the tree and then every action since than changes the course of causality further and further from the god hand’s plan. He is the fish that creates the ripple like skull knight said.
This is a really badass interpretation, that from the beginning he’s been struggling against causality.
Or there is another possibility that "causality" is what's actually keeping him alive. Maybe to bring the reign of the Godhand to an eventual permanent end?
Multiple things about him don't add up. His immense, superhuman strength, his weird knack for accidentally meeting supernatural figures or getting caught up in supernatural events, and his absolute inability to die all imply he's not just some guy. He's clearly broken fate somewhere, probably multiple times
@@Bighomie39 he isnt a superhuman, he trained only with big swords thats why he is so adept to them, the supernatural part is literrally because of the brand of sacrifice.
Guts basically wills Causality to suit his needs.
He basically broke Causality for himself to move forward
A guy I know once told me that he believes The Skull Knight is Gambino, to this day I hope he was joking.
This made me audibly laugh xD
@@eriksoto8065 yo fr same i couldnt help it
The Skull Knight is actually Donovan
Tell the guy to lay off or majorly reduce his drug consumption. It does weird things to the brain
@@spawnofchaos9422 no, it’s real life Ryan.
The "Zodd being Guts' father theory" is somewhat plausible, but establishing that Guts has some degree of supernatural strength from being half-apostle all along really cheapens the severity of his struggle and his battles, and it robs Berserk of what sets it apart from a lot of Shonen battle-type stories.
That's not plausible because theres no mention of zodd having sex and he loves only fighting did you forgot apostles having sex only creates demon baby's
No, it isn't plausible at all.
I’m pretty sure it can be universally agreed that guts as an apostle would absolutely shit on zodd in his apostle form.
Apostle guts would literally be the most powerful entity in the berserk universe. He would probably be able to challenge the God hand 4.
@@mothh7600 honestly he'd probably be called like "the left hand of God" or "the first of God" man would probably be nothing but all the rage and violence of man incarnate.
@@mothh7600 I don’t know about most powerful entity (idea of evil takes that spot), but he would either be close to or on par with the godhand. He literally goes toe to toe with Zodd regularly AS A FUCKING HUMAN. Imagine if guts was an apostle. By that point the Godhand would have no other option but to consider Guts a threat
@@Creatic58 I disagree, someone can get as powerful as he wants, but as long as he is an apostle he can never be a threat to the godhand, because apostles are created inferior and subservient to the godhand and it is impossible to change that.
Just think of ganishka: he was a very powerful apostle and hated the godhand, but ultimately he was unable to even stand in front of Griffith.
The only way for him to even try to challenge Griffith was to become something more than an apostle, something different.
Even then, he was hardly a menace for the godhand: Griffith barely had to try in order to defeat him, because causality was on his side, so even then he didn't really risk losing.
@@samuele7098 yea, and in the Black Swordsman arc the God Hand insisted that the pain inflicted upon him through the Brand in their presence would make it impossible for him to stand in their presence and could kill him... yet through sheer force of will he disproved them.
the same reason Guts will never be an Apostle is the same reason a theoretical Apostle Guts could be a threat to them if they stood on the same plain as he. his will is greater than their own, greater than the Apostles. great enough not to become a demon and to fight against becoming a monster while gaining the power to face them. their wills all broke, and they all cast off their humanity for that some sort of power.
I suspect that will of his would transition to any theoretical Apostle transformation he could have... a force of will great enough to defy his fate all his life is a force of will great enough to defy the God Hand even as an Apostle.
Ganishka, like all Apostles essentially broke and never put themselves back together, Guts broke, and is putting himself back together... because he is greater than they are.
Schnoz is actually what's left of Griffith after transforming into Femto
Fax
Don't ever disrespect lord schnoz like that. Femto isn't fit to lick the ground schnoz walked on.
@@UnholyWrath3277 Schnoz gets all the girls
@@salo-s7u as he dam well should
schnoz was the orchestrator of everything that happened. griffith becoming femto, guts being born from his mothers corpse, everything.
Time travel in berserk definitely is not a thing. It is history repeating itself.
Edit: And also if SK was Guts, there's no way he'd use such a teeny weeny sword and shield. That's for weaklings or nobles.
Likewise, if it is history repeating itself, why can't it repeat *exactly* the same?
@@wilderbeast9368 its a spiral, not a circle
@@fishfacemuguck3379 What makes it a spiral?
@@wilderbeast9368 it literally says its a spiral in the story, in that exact wording when skerike is talking to her teacher... time doesn't perfect repeat, but it mirrors the past.
@@fishfacemuguck3379 You contradicted yourself in a single sentence, wow. Keep your nonsensical contrarianism to yourself.
My biggest theory is that Zodd was one of, if not, the first Apostles created. I say this mostly to hype him up, but also because his age is vague. If Skull Knight (as King Gaisarek) was at least 800-1000 years old and Zodd keeps referring to him as old friend, then there should be some deep history beyond Skull Knight fighting Zodd while trying to get to void. Zodd is also familiar with the Berserk armor before Gaisarek died. My last point is that Zodd stated after seeing Griffith’s behelit that he recalls a scenario fate was playing at for Griffith to become Femto. I believe his recollection of this series of events prompted him to be able to tell Guts his “prophecy”. Just as Skull Knight did later in the story. Clearly the two are familiar with what happened between Gaisarek and the Sage (assumed to be Void)
That would be something but Zodd only has a history of a couple centuries in the battlefield. Nowhere near 1,000 years like King Gaiseric but within that time of confronting SK he could have learned about his history back then
@@c.galindo9639 well that’s far back as his mercenary reputation goes. But he could have been around longer. Even at 300 years of reported sightings, Zodd is still the oldest Apostle that we’ve seen so far in Berserk. But I just feel the history is limited because there is no real history of Vritannia between now and Gaisarek’s reign (aside from the war between Midland and Tudor).
@@duelistwitheyesofblue2950 yeah Zodd’s past is as vague as Skull Knight’s as we already know SK is King Gaiseric and he had a kingdom that existed 1,000 years ago in Berserk history and that 4 angels, the Godhand, destroyed it when summoned by someone King Gaiseric had wronged or something like that.
Zodd is just given a history as a sort of god of war whereas he is widely known in many different battles throughout the ages at least a century old and is like mercenary folklore. He has had encounters with SK in the past but when they first met is a mystery as it isn’t specifically stated by either of them of how long they actually crossed paths against each other in the past
@@c.galindo9639 Maybe he was a potential god-hand or seeking that position. For him to fly away from griffith when he saw the beherit must mean that he knew a prophecy or knew of the eclipse events. When Gut's saw the image of the city burning along with his gaiseric's girl in his arm. It is shown just like the eclipse ceremony and perhaps Zodd was around that time considering their "old friends." like u guys said.
@@mangobro6153 Zodd is a warrior type of Apostle so he isn’t a likely candidate for a Godhand position nor has enough history shown to be around SK’s time when he was King Gaiseric. I would say at most Zodd is 500 years old as his legend doesn’t date as far back or near the King Gaiseric lore in Berserk.
He is a supernatural being so him understanding the ceremonies and Causality wouldn’t be anything out of the ordinary. All Apostles know their masters, the Godhand, so having some understanding of prophecies and such isn’t anything special for them
Puck is actually guts that's my theory
Yes
H O W THO
H O W THO
That's why we've never seen them both together in the same panel
Actually Guts is schizophrenic and all his companions after eclipse like Puck, Isidoro, Schierke,Farnese are just hallucinations.
Schierke kinda sounding like Schizo is a clear way of telling readers this.
I've heard some things about schnoz being a weak and least concerning creature
Guts is a nobody, that's the point of him!
Also, I just realized that apostles, both in their sacrifices and designs, represent nihilism. And it's brilliant!
how so? is it because they shed their humanity or something?
@@sylokthedefiled yeah, their values, their personal connections, the command of "do as thou wilt," and their often senseless body structures in their apostle forms, which while more dadaist still parallels the sense of meaninglessness in nihilism.
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck i gotcha. yeah it’s pretty interesting
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck a nihilist would not desire power tho
Less, Nihilism, more utter despair and what one would do to just make the pain stop.
Didn't Puck state that Skull Knight feels kinda elf? Guts is obviously not an elf.
Tbf it could be elf magic in his armour
@@mrminecraftcubeable the sensing of “Elf” from Puck was probably just hinting at the connection to them/Elfhelm way back when. His appearance there just confirmed that feeling from Puck to be accurate! Just a shame we might never get that whole story/connection to Danan or the person that resembles her in the vision.
But the pointy ears, checkmate
I once came up with the theory that the we see Guts subvert fate and causality such as surviving the Eclipse is because being born from a hanging corpse into a puddle of blood basically tricked the world/Idea of Evil into thinking he was dead, so like Steins;Gate rules if you know that stuff, and from that point on causality would no longer function around him the same way as it would others. Hes basically a 2 in a sea of 1s and 0s that goes on infinitely.
That's a cool theory actually, but I think it still does what many other theories do: robs Guts of what he is. He struggles against causality and wins through sheer force of will, and that's much cooler than any "Chosen One", lineage, or supernatural cosmic glitch.
Guts is donovans son, both are black swordsmen both have pointy ears. Best theory ever
Guts is a human now but will become a timetravelling elf and go back to meet himself as Puck, that is almost confirmed as canon already.
Yes.
Guts is special. He has really really REALLY bad luck
As the story developed and I matured along with it, I couldn't imagine Guts and Griffith ever actually killing each other. If you're interested, I'd love to discuss this idea with you more - but it comes down to destiny not playing out what it was meant to because of key variables. I know that has nothing to do with the video, but I guess it plays into theories I've seen that either apply a simplistic outcome or a completely depressing one.
Completely agree with you! They would definitely be facing each other at some point, but the story is not about killing anymore. I'm sure if you look closely at Guts behaviour in Elfhelm, you would think that maybe Guts himself doesn't know if he wants to pursuit his revenge or not. Unlike his beast of darkness, though.
@@АндрейДвуличанский-я7е Honestly, I had this idea that Griffith arrives at Elfhelm and asks Guts to accompany him back to Falconia. Griffith shows Guts what he's doing, uniting the world and creating a utopia. Guts isn't convinced and asks if Griffith is planning to sacrifice his kingdom just like he did "The Hawks". Griffith is genuinely confused, displaying some actual emotion, after all this is what he wants.
Guts challenges this, asking Griffith if he is content - following on from themes throughout the series. Finally, Griffith asks "Why did you leave the Band of the Hawks?"
That's when Guts admits he heard Griffith say at the fountain with Charlotte - about what Griffith considers a friend. Guts felt to be seen as Griffith's equal, he needed to have his own destiny and ambition.
Griffith listens and then he begins to laugh. He laughs and laughs and laughs. But understand, this isn't Femto laughing, this is Griffith - this is the old Griffith who never truly died because the sacrifice was never actually completed (as both Guts and Casca escaped). And Griffith admits to Guts, "I always considered you my friend. You were my only equal."
And now, Guts laughs, because how could he not? Everything they went through, all this misery, all this pain, the death, the carnage - all because they didn't just talk to each other and because of a misunderstanding.
Sorry for my mini-essay, fanfic, this is only part of what I imagine, but I think there is some merit to it.
@@Thefufflylord I don't see this going quite so easily or happily, just doesn't seem to fit with the mood of the story to me. But I do see them at least talking during or after a fight and deciding to leave each other be, parting ways but still not quite sure how to feel about what had transpired.
@@grosstoastie1216 Oh, you misunderstand me. Guts doesn't forgive Griffith, can't forgive Griffith, but given everything which has happened I could see Griffith and Guts finding humour in all of it - one of those, what else can you do but laugh? I think that in the End Guts realises that his quest for revenge on Griffith won't really accomplish anything and if Griffith is using his power for "good" becoming the God that people desire, then I see the two having peace with each other. Keep in mind, this is just Griffith and Guts, others might feel differently.
I don't believe at this point Griffith wants to kill Guts, in fact, I don't think he ever did. As for Guts, how can he kill Griffith now considering Griffith is now literally his and Casca's child? I think the real unsung hero Berserk is the egg of the Perfect World. I've often wondered how much he changed Berserk... Honestly, I find him to be a fascinating character and I would go so far as to say he is the only genuinely good and pure character in the story and world of Berserk.
@@Thefufflylord Pursuing the revange on Griffith, Guts would only become Griffith's equal - which in this case would be huge stepdown. Through moving on, and accepting people he loves instead of those he hates, he would ultimately grow. Griffith's punishment would be living in the world where he will never be connected to any other person, simply longing for different outcome of his actions, and friends he sacrificed. He will be worshipped, but not understood - the fate of the king he always so desired, making him true king of Longing for the world he rejected himself.
But I also think that Griffith's idea of breaking societies norms, and creating more egalitarian society is something he dreamt of and is still pursuing. Where commoner can become a king, where he creates schools and orphanages, caring about future of kingdom. He could succumb to tyranny, but he still "cares" and makes things easier for people of Falconia. To some extent I think that he is opposing Idea of Evil and desires to reduce its influence, and reams of making world better.
The only thing that makes me wonder if the abyss where souls go - if it is horrible hell as we think it is or is it something else? Supposedly the souls that got there lose their individuality and act based on their last emotion - which is anguish in most cases. But if Griffith sends there souls that experienced sense of conclusion and satisfaction, by saying goodbye to their loved ones, wouldn't that make them feel serenity in the abyss? Through sending such calms ouls there, perhaps idea of evil might be changed itself, no longer feeding of negative emotions.
up until the last chapter i was like "skull knight is the moon light boy from the future, thats why he didnt stop the eclipse because he was born there" and when he turned into griffith i had to be like "yea okay maybe i was wrong"
Ryan: when has time travel been apart of berserk
Netflix: give us berserk live action version and we will make sure there’s time travel! And we guarantee there’s a love scene between guts and griffith
Griffith might've wanted Guts but Guts definitely doesn't swing that way.
@@johnnyboy2537 I don’t know if Griffith wanted guts THAT way. His “encounters” with Charlotte and casca were about control and dominance.
Griffith is a wonderfully complex character where he keeps you guessing. He is vocal to guts but yet he’s still mysterious
Also Netflix doesn’t care how the characters are, all they care about is what sells in hollywood and two men going at it will make money. It doesn’t have to be about in-depth struggle of life and lost. Look at death note American version!
@@whitedragoness23 I sure as shit don't want Netflix touching it. I think part of it is Griffith doesn't even fully understand his feelings and desires. Definitely seems like it. Considering he thinks about Guts when he's banging Charlotte, dodges Guts asking why he keeps sticking his neck out for him, and says he was the only one to make him forget about his dream? There's also the breakdown he has after having sex with Charlotte that points to it since he definitely didn't enjoy it. That's a lot of hints on top of how he acts around Guts and his body language when he's talking to him. I used to not know but after my latest go through I definitely think it's the case. Just finished that conversation between him and Guts after Zodd and his body language is just like a girl who had a thing for me and didn't want to come out and say it. Just glad Miura was smart enough to be subtle and not make Griffith flaming or some annoying preachy message about gay rights. Just a dude who is probably gay but in denial about it or doesn't even understand his own wants or urges. Makes it more interesting and the conversation about it fun to have as long as it isn't with Tumblrites. Also like I said I don't think Guts swings that way so it would be an unrequited love.
@@johnnyboy2537 I’m torn between if Griffith wants guts as a lover or he sees Griffith as family. He is at least very possessive of guts and sees him as a replacement for his affections, brotherly love, family, lover(?), friend, confidant, etc.
He sees guts as something to earn and keep. No he didn’t enjoy what he did with Charlotte but even with casca $ex isn’t about love. It’s about dominance and control.
Could he ever equate love and $ex together? I’m not fully sure. Is he gay? Again I’m not sure, nothing is completely black and white or clear cut in berserk.
Is Griffith struggling with his gay side while having to keep up a straight appearance in a heterosexual world? That wouldn’t surprise me and being gay would weaken his image as high class people want a guy who will produce heirs
I will agree Griffith either doesn’t understand romantic feels or just is denying being close to anyone because that would break him down. He’s alway keeps a certain image about himself. Even friendship doesn’t seem to be a part of it and he sacrifices much of his human side as he can.
Maybe emotions and attachments are just too dangerous to have in their world.
Muira is above the whole preach gay stuff. He can like a expert, put a gay person in there with layers and their mindset. It would t surprise me if Griffith was gay. WHO DOESNT think he’s not gay?
I wanted to know from Muira himself, but sadly it can’t be confirmed if he’s gay or just emotionally stunted and clingy. He could be asexual for all I know. And I think Ryan mention that?
Why muira! Why??!
I feel it's definitely key that guts remains human with his lineage not mattering, but I believe that he's more a byproduct or a result/affect of the godhand messing with causality and fate. kind of the counterweight to Griffith in the grand scheme of things, only representing humanity and the world prior to the godhand
I get the "Zodd is Guts' father" thing... kind of.. they look very similar, and have a lot of similar characteristics..
BUT
this isn't what Berserk is about. Knowing his parentage is stupid and not necessary.
Anyone who thinks Guts or anyone in the party is gonna use the behlit to make a sacrifice either hasn't been paying attention, or only read Berserk for the edge/angst.
I’m surprised no one has theorized that skull knight is guts father
I am pretty sure plenty of people did. Hell, even some RUclipsrs entertained such theory too.
He’s hundreds of years old so no not even the dumbest of people could do that
someone got the bone daddy in a literal sense.
Wouldn't make sense because skullknight did have a lover and died and still has a grudge and hate against god hand, why would he have sex with another female but for some reason he wasn't there to save her from being hanged? He would have saved her like he saved casca too.
What do you guys think how would the next chapter start if Kentaro Miura didn't die? Would Casca get another panic attack when she sees Griffith just like she got with Guts? This happens because she's got "thorns on her heart" but if I remember correctly Schierke and Farneze didn't tell it to Dannan. Can she cure her heart or anybody else could do it on Elfheim?
My theory is that situation would somehow escalate and Griffith and Guts would fight when group is in danger. There is no way it was coincidence that Griffith was in most vunerable position since Eclipse. He awakens on different place. Being at elfheimbmight mess with his powers. Skull Knight and Elf Quuen backs up Guts. Griffith in last moment of desperation takes Guts behelit and triggers second eclipse by sacrificing Falconia. I also think that despite that he still looses and Guts and company has to deal with Godhand and whatever the are planning
I think Griffith would temporarily join Guts' group like how the Moonlight Boy did at the beach. Casca would conveniently forget about the Eclipse long enough to talk with Griffith. Then Griffith goes back to Falconia after a chapter or 2.
The alternative is that Griffith inadvertently summons Zodd and a bunch of demons to Elhelm and there's a fight scene.
My theory would be they would fight, the opening would be Guts consumed by rage, punches Femto with all of his strength, guts screams Griffith's name waking everyone up, and guts starts trying to kill Griffith, Casca would have the worst panic attack in her life and Guts will scream to Griffith shonen style on "how dare he show his face to him, to Casca." while still trying bludgeon Griffith.
I'm pretty sure the whole "Guts is the Zodd's child" thing is because people like the idea of it, even if it doesn't make any sense when you think about it. Same goes for "Guts is Skull Knight", but to a lesser extent.
I think Guts is so strong because he’s what humanity wanted from causality
I hate it when people bring up time travel even though the story does not bring up or revolve around time traveling
Just shows how uncreative those people are. They need that easy anwser
I don't get how people have missed the fact that Guts' is clearly a super soldier, created by the Skull Knight.
As far as I'm concerned, the "Guts is Zodd's son" theory is almost exclusively used by people who want an explanation for how Guts was able to perform blatantly superhuman feats of strength like cutting through solid steel or decapitating an armored horse during the Golden Age arc. As though something like that warrants an explanation when there are characters who also perform ridiculous things like Casca surviving the same fall as Guts into water(because falling into still water is just as deadly as concrete), or literally anything supernatural at all in the first place
These MFs ain't seen Boscogn, Bazuso and Pippin.
The Zodd being Guts's dad theory comes from the fan translation of the PS2 game. Even if you ignore the facts that the game isn't canon and that it's a FAN translation, the only evidence to support this theory is Zodd referring to Guts as "my boy" in one line, even though it's normal to refer to someone you know as that, especially if they're younger than you and you're trying to be a bit playful with them (which Zodd was). It's a REALLY stupid theory.
I have a theory that Zodd might have been a mentee of Skull Knight similar to Guts. Maybe Zodd had beef with an Apostle and Skull Knight saw himself in Zodd (like he sees himself in Guts). He tried to help Zodd, but like Guts, Zodd lost himself along the way and was lured into darkness. He was offered a faster way to get what he wanted by the Godhand. By accepting their offer, Zodd betrayed Skull Knight and became his enemy.
6:14 LMAOOOOO Zod being Guts's father is so goofy I actually laughed out loud bahahaha that's so funnyyyyyyy
So here's a theory lol what if the sage was like varyus from game of thrones and legitimately loved the kingdom? The girl we see in skull knights arms is the sages sister, and he committed some sort of heinous crime against his sister causing him to be tortured by the king. A lot of berserk is about time being a circle and repeating itself. So I can definitely see the parallels there. The sage finds a belhit while being tortured and his sacrifice is the kingdom. Makes a lot of sense as to why it fell overnight, why skull knight hates void, and sticks to the theme.
How about this for a theory; Guts’ father is…Puck!
It would explain his pointy ears and possibly his strength. Being half- human, half-elf might improve physical power, and we don’t know exactly how long elves live for. Puck could’ve crawled up in Guts’ mom’s Qliphort hole and left a lil Guts sperm. Maybe that’s why she was executed, for carrying an elf’s child and being labeled a heretic
My theory is that the berserker armor when it was crafted, was just a regular armor. It may be much stronger then other armors, but nothing like making you a mad beast. When skool knight have see his love one dead, he was so full of rage, he wanted so much to kill every thing around him, that feelings wore imprimated in to the armor, making it what it is now.
Sorry for the bad english.
Another crazy theory, skull knight is the knight of skeleton.
Nah dude, skull knight is the knight of bone
Another theory that simply foolish is Slan being SK lover. Thank goodness this theory debunked hard by recent chapters.
why is it foolish
I heard a theory that king gaeseric after using the berserk armor split in into two hia inner beast of darkness took over his body and became zodd while his consciousness was transferred to this armor by shierke teacher and became skull knight
I saw a video about that by Tranquil Dionysean and I really think it's one of the dumbest theories haha (love my dude Tranquil though he's got some fantastic analysis vids on berk)
Sounds interesting
Wish it wasn't baseless cus that sounds amazing.
It honestly doesn't sound all that bad.
Hey dude, wanna say it's cool to see a WORST pop up in a video title, you know, there's nothing wrong with positivity but I feel a lot of creators are afraid to explore they're dislikes or negative topics, but I at least find it extremely fun to discuss art or opinions we hate. Idk man I guess I'm just saying don't be afraid of yer own opinions like so many people are today. I enjoy hearing about what people despise as much as hearing about what they love.
You're way too nice, Ryan. I've been reading these theories for years and if I had to make a video on them I'd call it: "How to determine if your kid is missing a chromosome with Beserk theories". There some of the most absurd theories I've heard since the times of good Game of Thrones seasons (when people said tha Jaqen was secretly Rhaegar because he had a white patch of hear XD).
Has anyone ever thought about how similar guts is to Raiden from Metal Gear? Their background as child soldiers, their occupation as mercenaries, the sword with the ability to cut through the uncuttable. As well as the black armor, the fact that theyve both lost their left arm and an eye, their own ‘berserker’ powerups (Guts’ berserker armor/ Raiden’s ripper mode) that they actively try to keep at bay, shitty father figures, and a drive to push through all pain to achieve their goals. They even have similar enemies, being people who sacrificed their humanity for power, but who still have some semblance of it left, who follow a charismatic leader who wishes to mould the world in their image
Its to the point where i wonder if Kojima was inspired by Berserk when writing Raiden’s character
waiting for the Ryan soundboard with mtfz and "A berserk theory"
I’m kinda a gatekeeper only when it comes to Berserk. I owe a LOT to Miura. I always welcome new fans I meet and talk to, but when they say they got into it a week ago then claim to know EVERYTHING etc etc.
Reminds me of that “terrible breaking bad theory iceberg” that vinny looked at recently lol
Worst berserk theory I heard is that the snail apostle is the least significant and powerful among all apostles.
His name is Guts... Guts Skywalker.
It would be hilariously dumb if Guts and Zodd had the "I am your father" moment and then teamed up to fight the God Hand.
So did King Gaiseric go insane with power because of the berserk armor and him not taking it off?
What if Guts had become the new Skull Knight at the end of the series, the story jumped ahead hundreds of years, and Guts approached the next struggler? Would that have been a good ending?
No
It would be kinda disappointing, the whole point is fighting causality
Maybe it would work if he became a skullknight and prevented the god hand and any apostles from apearing again, making sure the eclipse never repeats, but even then it would be kinda meh
That's 100 BS ending, so pretty much no. Guts struggling journey is literally the anti thesis of Gaiseric demised. Hence why Skull Knight keep warned him about permanent damaging effects of keep wearing berserker armor.
That's just Attack on Titan but with Berserk lol
@@JunkyardGod yeah I agree shit would just a be cycle and waste of time
Guts using the behelit has to be one of my most hated fan theories. Like you said @RealLifeRyan, what makes Guts special as MC is that he isn't special, and doesn't come from some demonic lineage or whatever. And to me even if that's where the story is going it would be an extreme disservice to the story of berserk and character of Guts.
The theory I've always believed (not a theory per se) is Gaiseric was stronger than Guts. As a human we've only seen Boscogne and Griffith challenge Guts in h2h duels but both lost. No one as a human has been able to straight up take Guts in 1v1 and has won. However what if we put the back in the day version of Skull Knight against Guts? The same dude who ruled the biggest empire and used the armor to such an extent that he literally burned out his existence.
I'm not saying he'd win in a stomp or something like that but if pre eclipse or even post eclipse (no armor) Guts found King Gaiseric he would either have a hard time beating him or would lose after a tough one.
I believe in this one
Guts is actually Palpatine's great-grandson.
There’s no time travel because the flow of causality stories run parallel to each other
"He has pointy ears, that must make him a demon!"
Me: *Looking in the mirror at my one pointy ear as a result of deformed cartilage* Yo... am I demon?
Your a demon wizard!
The one that makes me rageful is that Zodd & Gaeseric are 2 halves of the same person. SK even says something during their fight to the effect of shouldn't you be with your kind in the Interstiss
6:37
*Laughs in Griffith and Ganishka who did exactly that
i think its going to end with a big musical number and there's nothing that will convince me otherwise
How do you think Berserk would have ended had Miura-sensei not passed away?
Guts chills
Maybe guts use his behelit and sacrifice his son
Griffith r*pes casca again and makes her go insane again, then blows up the island
@@ahmadfahmii if he were to use a behelit he would sacrifice his entire crew
I guess the godhand would offer him a deal to become stronger than griffith and he would take it
Griffith teams up with Guts to defeat Void. Griffith sacrifices himself like Darth Vader.
the worse theory ive heard is guts n Griffith are brothers
This is my first time hearing that theory. It makes more sense than Skull Knight being Guts from the future or Zodd being Guts' father.
I think we missed the most important theory of them all.
What would happen if Guts was to put his grasses on.
I very much agree with you Ryan, these theories are just far-fetched. Below I have added what I think of these theories and the last part responds a little to all three, or at least the last two in particular.
Having said that I really appreciate your videos, and your analysis. :)
1) The first is clearly wrong, and you explain why yourself very well, thanks to all the details that Miura has let us find in his masterpiece.
2) The second is pure fantasy and too forced to be one of the possible secrets that the mangaka has unfortunately not left us.
3) The third is the ugliest, in my opinion, and outside the character of Guts .. moreover, if we want to analyze the origin of his surprising strength there are some clues that almost highlight it (at least in my opinion):
Guts, being one of the branded by the brand, lives (as mentioned in the manga) in the interstice of the real world with the astral one .. so from this we can deduce or suppose that he somehow manages to channel his willpower and transform it in a means to take down his enemies with the Dragon Slayer. His sword also exists in that intersection (this is also said in the manga) and is now impregnated with the blood of demons / apostles and has unique properties thanks to this .. so Guts is not a demon, half-demon or whatever only a human. It is his immense willpower that makes him survive.
I love theories as they do make the fandom more enjoyable and as an incomplete story make you question a lot but my days can some people come up with the stupidest stuff
The only, bare bones reason I could see someone might associate Zodd with Guts is his human form being decently similar to Guts, which isn't saying much, human Zodd is just a big beefy dude with a similar messy short hairstyle to Guts
I have my own theory and I am perfectly okay with being completely wrong about it, but I think it works. First off, I agree in Guts representing the strength of humanity, but I don't believe the whole "Guts isn't special and that's why he's special". I think there's too many references and events that play out throughout his life that contradict this belief. I do wholeheartedly believe there is a greater power is working alongside him granting him some level of fortune and strength in battle. You can't have an Idea of Evil without the opposite also existing to give it meaning. And if the Idea of Evil was created as a manifestation of people looking for something to explain suffering, then the Idea of Hope must have also been created as a way to fight back against it. And what character personifies that better then Guts himself and his sheer willpower and strength. Just a way to make "plot armor" actually canon.
Yeah those are ridiculous theories that go against the lore itself.
I see those a lot as well and it’s annoying but somewhat entertaining to see their pov.
Great video
I like to think skull knight was to king geiseric (probably misspelled) what guts was to Griffith. Though the skull knight is actually the king theory makes a lot of sense. I’d like to think geisric is actually void. And that’s what led him to lead the godhand. I also do believe Griffith isn’t their leader just a pawn
Boys skull knight is just putting himself in guts to just not made the same mistakes he did when he was alive in the physical world. About Griffith demon, what I think is this one (demon) already disappear because as you can see he can just come up like that, when those apostles shows up and he must appear to.
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I think griffth is void from the future 😔
and i think guts is his own father from the future as well :(
griffth is a girl
Void and skull knight have the same or similar abilities, I think the same thing happened with Guts but Void sacrificed Skull night, etc.
and since they have similar abilities to open rifts in space I wonder if Guts has the same abilities as griffth to change causality and that's why Guts hasn't died until today.
the closest thing i can think of about apostles procreating are pseudo apostles, I can't remember this correctly but I think there was a scene where Ganishka made some troll like creatures by dipping pregnant women in a vat of darkness or something I really don't remember.
I have a totally baseless theory that Morda is actually Theresia from the black swordsman arc, she vowed to kill Guts at the end of the arc and I thought she could possibly discover magic and went to elf Island. Since time moves differently there that could explain why she's older, biding her time to get a chance at attacking Guts. However I have zero evidence to prove any of this theory aside from both Morda and Theresia having black hair lmao
It might sound crazy, but there's a theory saying the black mustache knight is actually vice commander Azan himself
I better see "*insert character* was Donovan" the entire time.
I have this theory that Rickert is going to meet a former member of the Godhand who had been transformed back into human. Maybe when Godhand members are killed they face a fate they would hate more than death. Aka. Becoming a weakling human and facing the consequences of their actions and the fact that they did evil things. Maybe he wants to atone for his deeds as a Godhand by helping defeat them for good. I don’t have a lot of basis for this, but who really knows.
I just hate when people need things spelled out for them to grasp what's happening. Most people can't read between the lines to figure the answers out themselves. I've known SK was Gaiseric since they first showed Gaiseric and Guts had his reaction to it, and everything since has merely confirmed it even more. Many stupid theories are a result of this sort of thing, of people having to have it literally spelled out for them and insisting that until it is, their theory is somehow valid no matter how absurd and detached from the story it is.
You know, I look at a lot of ears all day long in my work. I work in healthcare, namely with teeth…… I have seen some pointy ears that look just like Guts’s ears. I am pretty sure they were humans I was looking at. Just say’n. 🤷♀️
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6:41 I don’t think Zodd could be Guts’ dad, but Griffith did impregnate Casca. Isn’t that evidence that an apostle could procreate with a human?
Guts impregnated Casca. Griffith just corrupted what was already there
guts impregnated casca but griffith corrupted the baby. demon jizz turn baby bad mmmkay?
Can any apostle make suto apostle by procreation does the moon lights boy suto godhand@@RealLifeRyan
i dont think that zod is guts dad but hearing the idea it would be the first possible explanation for guts and gunbelds insane strengh levels.
The whole "Guts is a descendant of supernatural beings" theory is how Berserk would progress if it was a Marvel movie. But Miura is just flat out, a better writer than that.
to be fair time travel is shown in berserk, like how puck knows about star wars, or the time he got a modern police uniform, or the time he got a fucking minifridge
Hold up.
I love you dood, but I have one issue . The "Zod is Gatsu's daddy" theory. You said it's never been shown or even referenced that an apostle could or would mate with a human... But that literally does happen, and despite what it may be now, Casca still gave birth to a child that probably came from Griffith. Even if it was Gut's child that got corrupted after Griffith did what he did to Casca, it still ended up being some form of Apostle/Human procreation.
Still, great video and I appreciate what you do.
Schnoz is gonna kill Griffith.
I think the craziest theory I heard is that SkullKnight is the king, Zodd was his rival. After the sage used the crimson behlit to become void, zodd and skullknight survived. Skullknight chose to fight the God hand with flora resurrecting him. And Zodd decided to join the God hand as an apostle
Man is on a Berserk craze as well I see. Love your videos.
Some peoples theories just makes no sense often, some are good but the rest just don't really work well
Donavan is Caskas father
I heard a crazy theory that the Black Swordsman is actually Guts.
Donovan is actually void?????
that guts is a demon one is just funny xD
You can argue that he may slowly become Demonic having his Inner Beast or Beast of Darkness eating away at him every time he loses control. It could also be a sanity gauge, the more you give into impulses the more you slowly become a Demon.
It be sick if Zodd actually wasnt Even a apostle. If he was a magical creature like a troll.
Berserk theory. Donovan was Ubik incarnate. Ubik prepared Guts for his later role of making Griffith addicted to his bussy.
zodd can't be guts's father bc he didn't do his pp training for centuries
One theory of mine kind of puts Guts into the "super special anime boy" category, but I don't think it ruins who he is and the message he gives to the reader. I think Guts isn't bound entirely by causality, or fate, or whatever. That maybe, the creator(s) of the fate of all beings (most likely the idea of evil) had some kind of glitch, or made a mistake. Maybe Guts was meant to die under that tree, but because of that mistake, he sort of falls out of place of the natural order of things, and can't be put back in. An odd piece in a puzzle. Instead of having his fate written as "Guts faces Zodd, and dies in battle" his fate is open ended "Guts faces Zodd, and MAY die in battle". This would also explain why he survived the eclipse, as the brand of sacrifice is causality being written to give the branded a horrible death, and afterlife, completely inescapable, but Guts being outside fate, is barely able to resist it. This puts him entirely on his own, so he's still very susceptible to dying, but he can find a way to avoid it, and even influence those around him, like Farnese, who was probably fated to stay leader of the Holy Iron Chain Knights if not for Guts' influence. Side note: Guts saying multiple times that he doesn't care where he dies, but still fighting tooth and nail to survive may be causality trying to bring him back to his original fate.