Cockos REAPER DDP Export Tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Mastering CDs for mass replication? DDP (also known as DDPi) is the way to go! But the process within REAPER is a little tricky so watch this video to find out how to make things go smoothly.
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I learned more about computers in one day than I did in the last twenty-five years of owning a computer! Thanks for this. Everything worked exactly as you said it would although Windows 10 made it a little trickier to find things. So glad I stumbled onto your video. My new CD will now sound exactly as I intended it to sound.
You're welcome, Kevin. I am glad I could help and that the information in this old video is still relevant in 2019!
A very big thank you, dude. Our press plant said "no ISO, please send a DDP". I got scared that I have to buy such expensive mastering software. But fortunately I did all the recording, mixing and mastering with reaper so it was good to see that REAPER can also make DDP files. With the help of your tutorial it was quit a simple thing.
Thank you very much and go on!
André Hinkel You're welcome. I wouldn't call this a simple thing to do but saving a few hundred dollars over buying DDP software makes it all worth it. That plus DDP is better quality than sending them a CD-R and having them rip it. Plus, you save on shipping costs + the drive to the post office/UPS/Fedex.
Wow!!! Thanks for the time and effort you put into that. I don't think I would have been able to send off the CD without you. Really appreciate the content.
My pleasure!
Realy great tutorial, as posted before learned A LOT in the last 35 minutes!
Just for the record, ddptools is available for macOS (from the address in the description) as binary, which can be installed and run from any directroy in the system.
Also would like to point out that you can have index 0 (! markers) for every track, specially when usig gaps beween tracks, so you get the usual countdown before play starts and tracks on CD match actual wav file play time.
Thanks for yout time on doing this! Already a fan!
Thanks Tiago.
Well done. Helped me out a lot!
I'm glad this video is still relevant!
This was wonderful. Helped me out a lot. Your instructions were clear and concise. I was able to make a DDP file, create an image and burn it to a cd to verify. Everything worked perfectly. Thanks again!
Fantastic video, helped me get my EP off to a CD plant, thanks a bunch!
If you aren't already try using an external hard drive. Those usually run faster (7200 RPM vs. 5400 RPM of typical laptop drives). USB 2.0 or firewire if possible.
But definitely check out the Offline Audio Mixing video.
Brilliant tutorial, just what I was looking for. Explained it all perfectly. Cheers a million!
Thanks! You're welcome, glad I could help.
The vertical line referred to around the 8:00 minute mark is known as a Pipe.
You're welcome. I'm glad you sorta got everything set now. Bouncing is definitely the band-aid until a newer computer is purchased. I'll be running my current ones into the ground unless the economy dramatically improves! So I'll be bouncing away right along side you bama!
Thanks geekzine! I really had no clue what that key was called.
It looks like it has several other names as well according to Wikipedia's Vertical bar article. Vertical bar, polon, verti-bar, vbar, stick, vertical line, vertical slash, or bar, think colon, poley, and finally divider line. Phew!
Ohhh! thats what I needed bro!! thanks a lot!
You are welcome!
Star Trek TNG theme! Cool!
Thank you for this tutorial man, it was very clear & helpfull!
You're welcome.
Cool video. Very informative. While at the CMD prompt in the ddptools dir, you can type d and then hit the TAB key to save some time and keystrokes.
You make the DDP files in REAPER and then verify them with DDPTools. The link for DDPTools is in the video description. Look on the right side of the page for a Windows download link.
It's underneath the Linux link, which is a little unusual but hey!
In case those links ever are dead, I have backed up DDP Tools at realhomerecording.com/plugins . Both the 2011 version featured in this video and the latest version as of this post.
VSTis and certain plugins can suck up a lot of CPU. Especially when you're running high sample rates. Have you seen my video about Offline Audio Mixing? That may help a bit.
For VSTis I would, after you're finished editing notes, render it down so it's not pulling samples. Synths usually aren't a problem unless they are samples of synths. But I always try to bounce VSTis and disable them (but don't delete in case you have to go back and fix something.)
Core Duo processors are slow...
Awesome Adam, thanks for your great video! You explained the process perfectly. With your help I should be able to get my first master replicated perfectly. Thanks again!
Adam, Thank you very much for this video. Your work is greatly appreciated.
Hey! Thanks for the video! One question: At the start your track (the first item) _starts_ at 00:00. The second marker goes to 00:02. At the end of the video the original audio track starts at 00:02, not at 00:00, like in the beginning. At which point did the audio tracks get moved to start from 00:02?
I was wondering this, too. I assume the start of the first track DOES have to be moved to 00:02? Otherwise, the track marker is in the wrong place. The other tracks and their respective markers also have to move to correspond. Ripple editing should cope with it, but it would be nice to see a heads-up in the video description.
Other than that - thanks for producing the only really comprehensive video I've seen on DPP creation.
Thanks, was a great help in using ddpinfo :D
Great tutorial, thank you very much :-) I've followed all your steps to check that the Render worked, and the only slight issue I have is the frame value for most of the songs (a 10 track album) in the DDP_image.cue file are one frame out, compared to where each song actually starts in the Reaper timeline. Is that a concern, do you know? Thanks again 🙂
You're welcome!
Being one frame off may be something to report to the REAPER developers and also ask the place that will be replicating the disc.
BTW, yes, I've got epicVerb v1.5, and I just removed it from all the tracks in my most recent project; now when I playback the project, I'm below 50% the entire way! Actually left NastyDLA in, and it appears to be behaving just fine now, which is nice; I really love the delay presets it has!
Make sure you're using the latest version of REAPER....4.261. I believe this was an issue fixed in version 4.26
If you do a Google search of data strem length does not match subcode ddpinfo the person who coded the DDP portion of REAPER acknowledged the bug on July 21, 2012.
If that doesn't work I would download a demo of Sonoris DDP Player to verify the files.
Hello RHR channel owner, thanks for your effort on putting this tutorial available to the public.
I've just grabbed a copy of a sample project with all the DDP info to be inserted, and I found it very simple, even though we have to deal with the CD text manually, the arguments for metadata and how to split them on CD text is easy.
Some things I'm yet to understand. The album information should be put at the end of the project?
Also, setting the project tempo to 240 is mandatory? Why?
Thanks in advance for your feedback on this matter.
Peace,
Edu Camargo.
It's been awhile since I've watched this video but if I said in there to put album information at the end then that's what should be done.
as for the tempo no that is not mandatory that is just to make it easier to set cue markers more precisely.
Thanks a lot. Gonna play with it today.
Again, thanks for the tutorial.
Thanks a lot for this video man! very well explained!
If you give Discmakers a CD they will rip it to a DDP file project. This leaves room for errors. If you can make your own DDP project not only are there zero errors but you can also send it to them over the internet and save on shipping costs.
Just make sure you follow every step in this video and you should be good to go. Follow the verification steps (those are IMPORTANT) and if you are afraid your DDP file doesn't work check out Sonoris Audio Engineering's DDP Player software.
Very helpful video. Thanks for taking the time
First of all: thanks a lot for doing this video. It was extremely helpful. There's something to point out though, the name of the directory shouldn't be larger than 12 characters. DDPtools cannot manage extra characters. Thanks again.
Core Duo's are 6 1/2 year old tech at this point. If it's under 2 GHz even worse.
Ironically I'm using a better system (2.4 GHz Core 2 Quad) as my day to day computer and a slower one (3 GHz Core 2 Duo) at "studio B" which is where I do all of my "serious" recording and mixing. I can easily use a lot more plugins on my Quad system even though my sound card is garbage with lots of latency.
You also have a hard drive bottleneck as well. More than likely a 5400 RPM drive. Solid state rocks.
SUPER VALUBLE INFO!!! Thanks so much for taking the time!!!
Amazing video, explained everything very nice and easy
Thanks
He explained everything nice and easy indeed >.>
You can press Shift-M to insert the marker and it will immediately ask you to name it instead of having to Edit the marker afterwards. Shift-\ is the pipe symbol | - at least that's what I learned it was called
Not sure if you still check the comments on this video, but I have a question about the naming convention. If the artist/performer name is two words, would I have a space between the two words or leave out the space? Thanks for the amazing video.
Yes I do still check comments. Is there a part of the video where I talked about this? I can answer you better if you point me to a Time code.
My guess is yes include the space.
Great video, definitely the best explanation of Reaper+DDP on the net!
Maybe I missed it, but what do we use VLC for?
Thanks for the compliment!
VLC can handle every format that you throw at it. It's been awhile since I've made this video so it's probably to test if the exported file works or not.
Awesome and working tutorial! :-) Even for Reaper on the Mac - you rock! :-)
André Loibl You're welcome!
On the Variety of Sound Wordpress site there's a support/contact link. Just post a comment on that page. Not sure how well it works as far as getting a response but it can't hurt to try.
That sounds like a weird "memory leak" problem. You should send a bug report (your system specs/what settings you made on epicVerb) to the Variety of Sound developer.
Thank you so much for doing this tutorial! Instant like and subscribtion ;)
You helped me out a lot with it!
Swamp Foxes You're welcome! Thanks for the sub.
The | symbol is called a pipe.
That thing you do at +- 13:30, you can just hold shift when the "arrows" show and then just drag the mouse up =D
Check out Magnus Ambience, Voxengo OldSkoolVerb and Desample's Glaceverb. TAL-Reverb-II is also good. I don't personally use any of these plugins but have seen them mentioned many times.
Also if you can save up for ValhallaRoom, which is a steal at $50, I would seriously consider picking that up.
Are you running the latest version of EpicVerb? Which is version 1.5 .
Great stuff! Thank you Adam.
That's great! Thank you very much for your job.
Informative and thorough! Thanx! But I wonder if a software exists which does this job with a nice, simple and understandable user interface?
Alex Molkom Yes there are a few but not as cheap as REAPER. Sonoris DDP Creator and DDP Player are the ones I'd use if budget weren't a consideration.
Thx for the tips; I'll check these other verbs out. I did see your ValhallaRoom RUclips vid, and was salivating (of course); very nice! It seems like running NastyDLA into epicVerb is the biggest bad deal for me; pegs CPUs immediately, even when I'm not even playing anything back; Reaper's just sitting there. I've got them on 1 Vox Delay/Reverb "aux" track, if you will, that I'm sending my vocals into. Man, it really doesn't like that combination.
That thing you do at +- 13:30, you can just hold shift when the "arrows" show and then just drag the mouse up =D
+Nox Messor Cool, thanks for the tip!
Thank you so much for this!!
QUESTION: what about subindexes?
Classical music CD's often use it.
Track 1 index 1
Track 1 index 2
Track 1 index 3
etc ...
They are used to indicate the movement of a Symphony, or an Opera etc
Tnx for the clear video. One question. I'm a newbie what I don't understand is the marker 0 is at point 00:00 the first marker at 2 seconds. What happens with the first to seconds (between marker 0 and 1) of music?
I think it is just a buffer that's required for Red Book specifications.
@@RealHomeRecording Will it be removed or will it be on the album?
Great tutorial! Covers a lot. I did the render to DDP from Reaper, used ddpinfo -y and verified the checksum, all went okay. However, when I try to extract a cue/wav using -w, I get: "Error: data strem length (2009315687 sectors) does not match subcode (19 sectors)". Any ideas?
dude this video totally helped me! thanks a lot!!!
You're welcome DeadSuspect .
Thank you very much for this video. You're a true gentleman! :)
Adam: Got a bit of a tech Q on Reaper for you; wondering if I'm doing something "wrong" of just need a new computer. As soon as I get up to around 24/25 tracks in Reaper, it starts to peg both CPU's & drag big-time. This happens during mixing sessions. I'm running it on a laptop, Intel DuoCore machine w/4GB of memory. Using several VST/VSTi's, but not that many. Any tips/clues/suggestions?
First of all - big thank you for that helpful tutorial. It worked fine here. Just one question (mentioned earlier already, but i just did not get it...). You imported the Godsmack tracks in Reaper. All at once, all in one track. Am I right that this means reaper will attach track 2 to track 1, track 3 to track 2 etc. without any silence in between? As far as i have been told, the red book standard says "leave at least 2 seconds between the tracks". Is there an "autmatical" way to do this when importing the tracks to reaper? If not, this means i have to leave that gap "manually"? What consequences does this have for the markers? I mean usually, the CD Player says -00:02... -00:01, then 00:00 and the track starts. How do i set that one up correctly?
okay... solved it: arrage the tracks in the way, that you have the desired silence in between. Set markers at track beginnings just as shown in the tutorial. Then add markers at the end of the tracks and name each of them "!". Thats it.
Another hint: the special character, named Pipe - you won't find this one e.g. on a german (QWERTZ) Keyboard. Solve this by clicking and holding the ALT-Key and type 124 on the numeric Keypad. This is the ASCII-Code...and the pipe will appear.
Something doesn't appear to be jiving that good w/that particular combination; BTW, I installed Glaceverb & it worked like a champ. Can't figure out how to file a bug report on the VoS site.
Ya, I got it sorted out; would really hate to lose the use of epicVerb & NastyDLA, tho; read that assigning them to "dedicated processes" could help out; gonna try that out tonight. Reaper was crashing on some VSTi's, until I did that; now it's very stable again. Seems like epicVerb, more than NDLA, can cause issues. I guess I need to be on the look-out for other free verb/delay plug-ins -- any suggestions for freebies that are good (low cpu)?
Really helpful video, thank you :-)
Glad I could help!
Hi, THANK YOU a million times for that !
omg thank you so much! now If I go through disc makers. don't they have a software application where they will convert my cd into a ddp to send to the plant? & do you know if I can do this with Pro Tools?
I cannot download the DDP Tools :( there is nothing, even for mac OSX. Is there any other link? thanks
This is a great and super useful tutorial. I am confused a little by the creation of the .cue file after the verification process. It seems that in the tutorial that you created the .cue file, edited it in Notepad, then you deleted the .cue file. Seems like it isn't necessary overall other than to verify the information for your own purposes. Is that correct?
Thanks so much for this!
Thx u so much ❤
Awesome info! Question: When typing the band name, can you have spaces if your band has 4 words for the name, or just eliminate spaces? Thanks!
It's been a long time since I made this video/created a DDP. But my guess is, just eliminate spaces.
Cool; thanks Adam for all the tips! I believe I found the culprits last night -- NastyDLA & epicVerb; I disabled all FX on all of my tracks, & one by one started turning them on. When I got to the tracks that had these FX, my system started pegging CPU. Kinda sucks, b/c I really like the sounds out of both of these plugins. But, ya, I think I'm going to have to start bouncing some tracks & disabling to get thru my mixes w/out maxing out the CPUs. Thx again!!!
Very helpful, thanks a lot !
Thanks so much for the info! Is there a 64-bit version of ddptools? I can’t get the 32-bit to work on my 64-bit laptop.
Killer dude,you the man!!!
Hi, I made the same process you did, but when I type -d it appears this message:
warning: pregap in map stream (150 sectors) does not match pregap in subcode descriptor (9000 sectors)
And it only shows the ISRC code without the PERFORMER, SONGWRITER, COMPOSER AND ARRANGER.
Do you know why? Please can you help me?
Thanks a lot.
Great lesson!! thank you so much for this ☺
You're welcome, Sergio.
Hi ! Firstly thanx for your tutorial. Question : Some people advice to put a two seconds transition time beetween each tracks. What do you think about it and how to do that ?
Adding a 2 seconds Gap is not necessary. But if you want to do it then just slide your music tracks over at the end of each song After the cue
Thanx for your answer.
Thank you for this! i have a question, when i import my master tracks in reaper, the order not match like i did in my folder..What's wrong?
Did you put numbers before the file names? Because usually it will import numerically then alphabetically.
Very helpful. Thanks.
What is the ISRC for? Thanks.
It's a unique alphanumeric identifier which helps keep track of a song on various computer databases and other systems that support it.
@@RealHomeRecording thanks so much for this video. I just got back from watching it and it saved us $203 as the only way that the CD printing company that we're using uses DDP's. We could pay them to do it for us, which is $203 Australian Dollars, or we could do it ourselves for free. Thanks again.
@@just-a-me1168 you're welcome. I hope it works out. Also consider taking a look at hofa-plugins.de/en/plugins/cd-burn-ddp-master/ because the REAPER method doesn't have an exacting confirmation procedure.
@@RealHomeRecording I already did try it. I did it on the demo trial but couldn't export it. I then went to reaper for the 60 day free trial
hey man! great tutorial, helps alot getting the first cd of my band done - all diy :)
still have one question: do you know how i could burn the cd as a test? just to make sure everything is fine before sending it to the manufactury?
I believe the CD burn test is covered in the video.
RealHomeRecording.com
I managed to burn the cue file with imgburn. It worked :)
Thank you very much, this is a lifesaver!
Does anyone know: If a production is DIY and has no particular ISRC or EAN, what do I do? Is there a universal code for such a case? Thank you!
Also, great Star Trek theme!
thanosbikos You can leave the ISRC/EAN blank.
Great! Thanks again!
Hi, Thanks a lot for this complete and detailed tutorial. Anyway, I just have one question : Can you make that whole ddp operation in reaper if your files are already dithered to 16 bits, 44100 ? Or is the dithering process should always intervene at the very last stage?
Is it destructive in any form, If I do this with my files already dithered in reaper and export it as a DDP file? (with nothing on the master or mix buss and without changing any volume knob in the mixer or anything else)
A million thanks for your answer
+Linge Records You certainly can use 16-bit dithered files as the final stage. Especially if you aren't doing any processing and just using the session to compile all of the tracks together. And if you do use 16 bit/44.1 kHz files just disable dithering when creating the DDP file because at that point it's no longer necessary.
Thanks so much :)
Hi, the CD factury is saying I have a missmatch in the MD5 file. I believe it's because I didn't set the project framerate reaper ti 1/75. I cannot find anywhere in Reaper how to set it. When I test the created WAVE file in the first few songs with the phase shift I have no sound, but after a few songs I they start to be seperated. Minor seperations and in fact not a match. How do I sort this out?
Check project settings and Video
Hey dude, cheers for the vid, I want to use this method to make the CDs myself, do I now just run the cue file through Nero or something?
No, you should send the files either burned as a data CD or FTP them to the duplication company. The cue would mess things up. Good question!
hey I'm having some crashing issues with reaper I need some help can anyone help ?
Darn I keep having trouble with the cmd part. I type in ddptools and it ALWAYS says 'ddptools' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. I'm not savvy with this sort of thing. Any suggestions?
What operating system are you using?
windows xp. i just kept on trying variations and placing the ddptools folder in different locations in C and it ended up working. At first it was on the desktop and couldn't find it.
thanks a lot for the helpful video. got the result I needed.
Ahh OK. Yeah, the Desktop would be a pain in the ass to do a command line on so I just put it in the C drive too...as you saw on the video. :-) Glad you figured it out!
Thanks for this. Why exactly are you changing the tempo to 240?
It's just to get more snapping slices. That way marker cues and other items can be set more precisely. This video was made almost six years ago, so hopefully my memory serves correctly!
Ak, so you mean 'inter-frame snapping slices' ?
Because in the end, if the audio is not exactly divisible by frames (75 a second), there will be silence added to it automatically to fill to the next frame point.
Normally you wouldn't notice this, but if you're making a gapless disk with crossfades, this could cause a audible hiccup,
So I'm not sure what benefit the 240bpm gives you.
I guess you can freely move the audio to where you want it to be, as long as you then trim its in and out points to be exactly on a frame line.
Thanks for getting back to me!
I'm just learning about this DDP creation ability in Reaper today. (It's not my main DAW, I've been evaluating it for years, mainly for tests. I might get a license and start using it for this now.
Cheers!
Yvo van gemert you are correct. The 240 suggestion isn't anything that needs to be exact. It's just a way two more easily place the cursor for cue markers.
I'm not sure about whether silence is added or not.
Yvo van gemert if you look through some of my recent videos from the past 2 months I did another one about a cheap DDP creation software. It is a lot easier to use than Reaper and you can check your disc a lot easier.
Yvo van gemert found the video ruclips.net/video/UofvRm7T_EM/видео.html
cool tutorial - where can I get the "STAR TREK" Reaper Skin?
Subterrasound Thanks man. I wish I could remember the name of this theme. Search the thumbnails at stash.reaper.fm/tag/Themes and it'll turn up.
RealHomeRecording.com
Thank You! Just found it - but it took a while, so, for anyone else looking for the theme:
stash.reaper.fm/theme/764/mvh_engage.ReaperthemeZip
Thanks for the video!
1. Now, how do I burn a CD from this point?
I want to have the cd text on it.
2. Why does the ddp_image.cue file in my Notepad not show anything with special characters, such as letters čš ...?
It even don't show the COMPOSER and SONGWRITER tags. Why?
Robert Petrič This video was uploaded in 2012 and REAPER + DDP Tools has changed. I know that you can burn a reference CD...not sure about one with CD Text though.
I really don't know the answer to your second question. You will be better off contacting the guy who made DDP Tools.
If any of this feels too complicated then you may want to check out www.sonorissoftware.com/catalog/ddp-creator-p-47.html . It's much easier to use but it's not free.
RealHomeRecording.com
got an answer here forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=78922&page=9. CD text is very undeveloped unfortunately ...
Hi, and what if the files are already in 44.1kHz, 16bit and dithered? You mention the dithering is the last thing to do. Do we dither again or can it be ignored?
Correct. No dither is necessary if they've already been dithered.
RealHomeRecording.com, also the project frame rate selection to 75 is no longer on the project gettings menu
Really helpfull thanx!
If you use Notepad++, you don't need to do all that formatting at the end....
Jeremy Grinsteinner Good tip I will have to check that program out.
V. informative...thanks....
How do you create silence between tracks?
Keith Sudano Just leave a gap on the timeline at the end of a track.
RealHomeRecording.com Thank you. Not trying to be difficult at all, just want to make sure I understand. So, if I want a 5 second gap I leave a 5 second space on Reapers timeline between tracks? If so, that's too easy and Discmakers really worded that badly.
Keith Sudano Make sure you're following ALL the steps in this video. If you have a track that you need to add 5 seconds to then you would of course need to move your other items (mixes) and markers (cues) as well. The Item menu then Nudge/set items may help you with this. The markers signify the start and end of new tracks.
With DDP you're creating one big sound file with cues. This is how it's done at professional mastering houses (that's how they can get tracks to fade into one another seamlessly, etc.) Again, follow the steps in this video carefully and you should be good to go.
\ = BACKSLASH
| = PIPE
/ = SLASH (or rarely FORWARD SLASH)
Pipe...I will try to remember that one! And I always say forward slash to prevent any confusion with people. The top of the line being like the top of someone's head. They are "falling forward" with the forward slash / / / LOL.
:D :D :D
7:55 Pipeline or Pipe Symbol.