God Doesn't Whisper Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2020
- This is the second installment of God Doesn't Whisper. In this episode we will look at 3 common misunderstandings of the Hearing from God (HVG) theology and also discuss commonly misinterpreted texts such as "My sheep hear My voice" and the "still small voice."
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Bless you both. I just escaped the NAR sect/cult in February after being in it for about 3 years. Thank you for this.
@Sandra Roche Thank you Sandra. Blessings.
Awesome! I would suggest you watch this.
ruclips.net/video/vKAU3zjpDbI/видео.html
It’s a very good video on it 🙂
My brothers, your spiritual arrogance - even if unintentional - is simply breathtaking; as we observe two "fallen" [though redeemed] finite, pea-brained, specially-created human beings speaking - in almost gnostic terms at that - FOR the infinitely omniscient, immutable, and wholly inscrutable Ruach Elohim! Additionally, and going by your words: you both seem to be afflicted with what's been called the "Elijah Syndrome"? (See 1 Kings 19:13-18)
And yet you both engage in this unashamedly, while confidently assuring one-and-all, that your sole driving hermeneutic of wooden-literal "Cessationism," is binding upon every individual that's ever lived, in every conceivable geographical/cultural context throughout planet earth, for say, the last 2,000 years, or so.
Why in the world would the Holy "Spirit of Truth" himself speak to either of you brothers, when you're driven by raw spiritual unbelief to begin with? Yet contra your assumptions of unbelief, countless people [myself included] have been wonderfully supported, thus aided and directed by the "voice" of Almighty God, when in desperate "need" of such, when encountering, or confronted by a variety of highly challenging situations in our collective lives.
It simply boggles my mind to think that you brothers must, of cessationist necessity, believe [by faith alone] that the personal, omnipresent/omniscient Holy Spirit - "IN whom" his children throughout this planet share in that magnificent, though spiritually mysterious "union" as a daily reality, 24/7 - 365 no less, namely "we in him," and "them in us," [e.g., John 14:23; 17:20-21; Eph. 5:29-32; Col. 3:3-4] - had somehow willfully and/or immediately become MUTE, after the so-called "closing of the Canon," almost two-millenia ago??
How can either of you sincere, yet sincerely wrong brothers "in Christ," honestly maintain that your spiritually suffocating "one-size-fits-all" view of one's "personal" walk with their Lord and Savior - throughout Church history at that - would nonetheless be binding upon all people, in all places, and at all times?
Moreover, what kind of loving "earthly" parents, would purposely ignore the requests [or petitions] for communication, brought by their own children?? And please remember: that Luciferian-inspired, spiritual monstrosity called the Roman Catholic Church, had basically removed the "Word of God" from the people, for roughly 1,100 years, or so!
"Who is this who darkens counsel by [speaking] words without knowledge?" (Job 38:2ff)
I just wonder how the [personally] omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent Ruach Elohim, has been able to accomplish his redemptive purposes, ever since "Day Six" of the creation week; in spite of the fully-constraining "box" INTO which both of you well-meaning brothers et al. have tragically banished him?
After all: "Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or as his counselor has taught Him?" (i.e., see Isaiah 40:13-14; see also Romans 11:33-36; Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 13:8; 11:3; Acts 18:9-11; 2 Tim. 1:8-10; Titus 1:1-3; Rev. 13:8.)
@@davidhuston7559 David, just as you accuse us of having a “one size fits all” cessationist theology, you hold to a “one size fits all” charismatic theology. Both positions cannot logically be true. To say that we are putting God in a box is a tired, old,, fallacious argument. Our position is derived from exegesis and biblical theology. We believe the scriptures are sufficient. Charismatic do not. It is a fundamental difference.
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Brother Justin: your curiously UN-omniscient reply, also fails to consider that you're not the Holy Spirit - of whom "alone knows the thoughts and intents of one's heart." You have absolutely NO idea as to how I view the content of inerrant Holy Scripture - and I carry an enormously "high view" of God's Holy revealed word - nor anyone else's view; let alone our brothers & sisters throughout the Body of Messiah Yeshua, on this planet.
Please stop doing the adversary's work [for them] amongst the brethren; much like our well-intentioned "YEC" brethren have been accomplishing, for far-too-long now! After all, Ephesiahs 4:1-7 actually means what it says.
I came to faith in Christ I 1972 and was immediately swept into the Charismatic move. Since the passing of my wife in 2014 God has revealed the truth of the Solas and I’m free from that apostasy. All praise to Him, indeed!
I've been following Justin Peters for 8 years now and listening to God's word thru him has been eye opening for me in discerning wolves in sheep's clothing... Much Aloha to you and your family my dear friend, all the way from Moloka'i, Hawai'i ❤🌺🌺🌺
I did have a vision just one time. My sister had cancer and it had spread to her lymph nodes. I saw the cancer being completely gone, as it it were kicked violently by God out of her body. I told her that it was "all gone," not knowing what that meant. She was encouraged. She did have treatment, and after the treatment was over, the doctor told my sister that the MRI showed something no doctor had ever seen before. Even if all cancer cells are dead, when it spreads to the lymph nodes, there are always going to be residual cells that can never be eliminated. The doctor then said that my sister's MRI showed NO residual cells. The doctor was shocked and my sister was happy.
I’ve been taught this for 25 yrs or so. Just left a church that focussed on this. The problem Is, people get obsessed with all this listening- and also with all the telling- ”God told me this or that”. They are ‘hearing’- I was hearing too- I long followed this teaching. But WHAT were we hearing? I think our own imaginations, our own thoughts. That’s all. Because New Agers, Mormans, Catholics, muslims, mystics- all have these teachings and practices. So do Buddhists. These promptings are part of being human- not exclusive words from God. And half the time these strong promptings are wrong- you call the person you felt ‘prompted’ to call- and they’re are totally fine! But if you called them and they’d just had an accident, for example- you’d go around telling people, “God told me”. Such is our proud natures.
The other problem with this teaching is that it insinuates people can get to God- without going through the cross. No need for repentance or bowing the knee to Jesus. Just sit silently and wait for God’s voice. This is Richard Rohr and all the progressives. I’ve been in a church that teaches this over and over week in and week out- and I can promise you- there’s no repentance or sin ever mentioned. No need for it- you can reach God through meditation and hearing his voice (they teach).
So well said Mary. Thanks for staying on the subject, so many posts here are going down rabbit trails that are unproductive and in some cases just an excuse to revile people who think differently from them. You are correct that this “hearing” is used by unchristian groups and is often made to fan our pride. You sound like you have the experience to know of what you speak, thanks for that.🙏
It can be cruel too. Not intentionally but I know someone who is estranged from her son. A friend of hers told her God had given her a verse in scripture promising their reconciliation. This was many years ago. She said she was still waiting and you could hear the pain in her voice.
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We had a dear couple of friends call us after years of not seeing them. It was really really good to hear from them. But we soon found out the reason for their call was they thought God had told them I had brain cancer. Nope. None. They kept asking and kept asking to the point that it got uncomfortable and weird. There would have been no reason for me to hide something like that from friends. I would have told them IF it were true. It simply wasn't true. That was about 14 years ago. I hope they are okay.
Just because that person you called was "fine" so they said? Does Not mean your phone call did not minister to them.
It leads to such a bondage trying to listen for a voice
It’s about a renewed changed heart not trying to listen for a voice
King Saul had direct words from God by the prophet and he sinned greatly so God Chose a man after HIS OWN HEART to be King (David)
I should know I used to be in bondage to that but Jesus set me free
He’s always leading me away from sin and into Truth and righteousness and love and trust
He will lead away from error
You can trust Him He loves you
Be blessed my brothers and sisters 😁
It makes me angry when false teachers tell their audience to "look at me" or "look up here". How arrogant. And many thanks Jim and Justin. My church has been overrun with HVG theology and needs to repent yesterday.
And "can o get some amens?".
Amen=in agreement. Maybe we don't agree with you.
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Hearing this debunks pretty much everything I’ve learned in the church. They taught all of this and even had the very people you all mentioned come to speak. I can’t express how thankful I am to God that as I was watching one of those false teachers I saw Justin’s video on the side. The title interested me and after watching it the Lord opened my eyes to all of my false theology. After repenting to God, I threw every book away! Now I am replacing them with books such as these and John MacArthur’s books. I’m just so thankful for the Lord’s patience with me.
We have to compare everything with scripture, don't we? If it doesn't line up with God's Word, it's wrong. In recent years, I have found that the only reading I really need to do is bible study. I like Kay Arthur's approach to the bible because she teaches women how to study any passage of scripture and understand it by examining what it really says. She starts with the formula we were taught in my high school English class - look for Who, What, Where, When, and Why. Then she shows how to use a couple of tools like looking up the meaning of an important original Hebrew or Greek word. I have been so surprised at what is in the bible when I've slowed down and really paid attention to what it says. So many of my biblical "knowledge" turned out to be incorrect when I really examined the well-known passages. I have found the bible to be a treasure trove of truth. (didn't mean to do alliteration there, lol) I'm glad you were able to discern false theology. God bless you!
Hi Miki - what an encouraging comment! Wow - praise the Lord for this. We are so grateful this teaching has been of such help to you. Yes, we both highly recommend John MacArrhur. Blessings to you, Miki! :)
@@shadowmist1246 that's so true... I have felt the holy spirit guide me and correct.. and even protect me. When my husband died of pancreatic cancer. .the months following I was so traumatized, that sometimes I could not remember driving from point A to point B.. no clue. But I'm was there. I felt protected in a way I can't explain. For me, and anyone that might have been in my path. Later on in time, I was given a gift ..to persue a different way to heal, than what I was doing, and it involved animals... horses...which I've loved since I was a child.. and I felt the push, and I followed it. And now I'm going on my third year of volunteering and working with and taking care of horses...and there's barely a day, that I don't thank God for knowing me ...and pushing me in the right direction. Did he tell ne audibly. .NO...but nevertheless...I heard it and felt it♥️
@@JB--- I completely agree. I’ve definitely been doing more bible study and learning how many passages of Scripture I’ve misinterpreted. I’m so excited to go through the Bible carefully and really understand what the Scripture is saying in context. This will be my first time doing it this way. I also like books that expound upon certain truths in God’s Word and ultimately points us back to Scripture.
@@simply_miki Nice job Miki! Way to be a berean. All these comments about hearing is interesting because every passage that is used by teachers teaching it is in the wrong context. Scripture never says to listen for God to speak to us, that sounds knostic. It’s definitely taught by the Mormons which should make us think twice about it. The Holy Spirit regenerates us, convicts us of sin, illuminates the word pointing us to Christ etc but I don’t see in scripture he talks to us. I think our sinful hearts can fool us and we have to be careful. God spoke to his prophets in the OT but the scripture says he speaks to us in these last days through his Son, in context that is in the incarnation and his teaching in scripture not literally and audibly. Keep studying 👍🙏
Still Small Voice is what I first heard from Joyce Meyer when I was first converted and for years I sat in quiet times waiting and waiting and waiting. Ugh, did frustration set in!!! Please be mindful who you follow and listen to christians. #soliscripture TY gentlemen.
Joyce often quotes scripture and then restates it with one word changed, and people don't notice, and then they begin believing a lie. She also takes one verse of scripture and applies it to people or circumstances that have nothing to do with the original meaning and context. The main point of it all is to get people to believe that she has secret knowledge that they need. She rakes in millions and enjoys the adoration of crowds of people, while silencing and banning anyone who points out even a tiny discrepancy between her teaching and biblical truth. She is quite evil when making people go away. She has nothing to do with Jesus, other than using His name as a cover for her money- and power-making scheme. She follows the evil one, not Christ. She is dangerous to people's souls. She is very slick at attracting people and keeping them hooked on her false teaching. I'm glad you got away!
I had always believed that part of being a follower of Christ was to hear His voice or at least be prompted by His leading before every decision I have to make - or at least, every major decision. This scared me at a certain level because I was afraid of making a mistake and not hearing Him correctly. And I was always in awe of and a bit intimidated by the people at my Church who said that they heard the voice of God so clearly, not just about their own lives but about others', too. I felt that there was something wrong with me because I seemed to keep getting confused, and there have been many times when I recorded something in my journal which I thought was His personal revelation to me, but looking back at it it just simply.... did not happen.
So thank you so much Justin Peters, and to other faithful preachers and teachers of God's Word to God's people like you. I happened upon Pastor John MacArthur one time in RUclips, and it was as if scales fell from my eyes. And listening to Pastor John MacArthur, I was also to the Justin Peters Ministries here in RUclips.
You, Pastor John MacArthur, Pastor Phil Johnson, Pastor RC Sproul.... my heart is so overflowing with thankfulness to God for you, for your complete and absolute devotion to the faithful teaching of God's Word. Indeed you are working for the Lord, and not for men. Through your teaching, I have learned to stop wasting time on trying to "hear God's voice," and to instead focus my time and energy on the study and meditation of His actual Written Word in the Bible for the daily direction of my life. I have no other desire now but to grow in the knowledge of God through His Word, to walk in His ways, and to allow the Holy Spirit to transform me more and more into the image and likeness of Jesus Christ.
Much love and thanks from a sister-in-Christ in the Philippines! :)
Justin, you are my go to for the truth cos I’m new to Christ. Thank you sir!
As an ex-mormon this was incredibly refreshing! One of the hardest things for me about leaving the mormon church years ago was that the Christians around me talked about receiving spiritual promptings in the very same way as my mormon family, which left me very confused about how to know what was true. Only since becoming reformed and holding to sola scriptura do I now understand the glorious role of the Holy Spirit and the sure foundation of truth I have in God's objectively inspired word. I'm so glad to hear Christians challenging the common notion of indiscernible "nudges from God", and I can't wait to read this book!
That is awesome, once you rightly divide the scriptures, you learn what was written to the kingdom church and the Body of Christ are different. The mainstream try to attach truths promised to Israel and apply them to us. The Body of Christ is not the sheep, Christ was referring to.
@@faithplusnothing *We (the Body of Christ) are the sheep.* We are also the Spiritual Israel through Jesus Christ, Who became an ethnic Jew..and we are attached to Him through faith.
You're right to say imply that there are certain promises that apply to the nation/ethnic Israel, yes. But you must also understand God doesn't care so much for "ethnicity" as He cares for the heart, He can raise up children unto Abraham from stones. God bless
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham." -Gal 3:6-9
Yes, God is awesome! I'm glad you hang on to God (and God hang on to you) despite all that spiritual mess you must've been through.
I agree totally. And how easy it is to misuse Bible texts and take them out of context, sculpting them, and giving them new meaning.
I struggled with issues such as these a decade ago. After being in a Hispanic charismatic/Pentecostal church, I started to question the typical "manifestation" mumbo jumbo. The idea that the pastors can hear God but I couldn't was extremely...disheartening. I could have handled discovering it was a false church much better. (Right before my departure the church had partnered with Rod Parsley) I wasn't a mature young man, let alone a mature Christian. I had fled the faith, but by the grace and mercy of God my faith has been renewed thanks to men like you
I needed to hear that. I've been so tripped up on "my sheep hear my voice" for so long. Thank you. Bless you.
Man you fellas have blessed me so much and I feel relief to just rely on scriptures
God bless you, Karla. Keep your EYES on the Bible’s content and seek understanding of that for personal application instead of readying your EARS for a voice.
If you rely on the Scriptures, God will cause you to hear Him. Have greater faith in God's ability to speak to you than your ability to hear Him.
God not only whispers but gives impressions, dreams, visions and words of wisdom and knowledge. Only the devil would want to believe God doesn't speak to His people.
I just ordered Jims book...cannot wait to read it.
The word of God is all I need. God speaks clearly to me through His word and He will speak to you through His word as well. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and The word of God is alive and active and sharper than any two edged sword. The words surely come alive as you study the Bible.
Amen🙏
Amen! You brothers have helped me so much! Now I focus more on reading and studying God’s word. I am not feeling depressed as I used to because I did not hear from God like everyone else. Thank you Lord for your word!!
Blessings teacher!!! Powerful teaching..I get so excited when you and your guests comes on channels...my sheeps hears my voice...love it...thank you teacher you helps so many of people that do not understand like me!!!!! My prayers are with you and your family always...thank your again teacher!!!!!!
I bought the book after the first episode. I can’t wait to read it! I have to finish another book before I start this one though😂
Is it good?????
@@dekka213l very
One advice : if God speaks to you, keep it to yourself. It will keep skeptics at bay and keep you humble 😊
The few times I've heard it - I didn't feel proud, only convicted.
I don't wanna take credit though
@Adeodata Tab, unless of course you are led to speak to others about it.
@A M Sometimes He straight up talks to you, verbally, or visually.
@A M Yeah, apparently imagination told me three storms were coming and the third one was named after my brother.
Because you haven't experienced it doesn't give you authority to dismiss it. God states that in the last days he will pour out his spirit upon all flesh. That is now. Don't deny the scriptures of God for the doctrines of men.
Really appreciate this conversation. ❤
As usual Justin Peters and jim Osmond have taught me and my wife new lessons please continue the good work can't wait to see the next video god bless you both
Thank you so much for this.
Thank you very very clear,I thank the Lord,amen.
What a fantastic explanation! Thank you so much!
God bless you Both. Glory be to God
I’ve only once in my life had a firsthand. experience of the Godhead. My husband had just died following an 18 month fight with gastric cancer, I nursed him right through to this departure. I was physically and spiritually exhausted, what I experienced left no doubt that it was the Holy Spirit tending to me. Like John Wesley I had a “ strange warming in my breast”. Thank you Lord, I am yours and you are mine. By the way I’ll be 65 next birthday.
Thank you for this video, waiting for the 3rd. It is so True, if God wants to tell you something you will know because God doesn't Whisper! God bless you both.
Well, at least somebody is honest. In all my 30 year of Christianity I was never able to learn God s voice perfectly. And I always wandered about it. Now i know why... You just burst my bubble 😉
I’m SO excited for this book!
This is so helpful. As someone who has come out of the charismatic chaos/word of faith movement, all of these teachings were things that I was taught and held to. It became very frustrating and expensive because all of these false teachers that promote these things all have the next latest and greatest product to 'help" one "hear" the voice of God.
Great teaching!!!
Thank you for these videos! Blessings
To God Be the Glory. I am so thankful for this teaching of truth from God's Word.
Keep it up. God Bless you both
I am amazed at how contemplative prayer and
“waiting on God’s voice” is spreading through our churches. I can not go any where or turn on Christian radio without someone saying they are waiting on God’s direction or “feeling led.” This is good teaching. I have felt uncomfortable with people who claim to hear the voice of God telling them to do things or telling me they felt God was giving them a message to share with me. It sounds New Age to me. I can’t find this as being scriptural. Thank you for your teachings.
It is 100% scriptural. What do you mean? There is an abundance of scripture, both New testament AND Old about being led by the Spirit, and walking in the Spirit. Which we are _supposed_ to do. When Paul was about to go to Rome OTHER PEOPLE were led in the Spirit to warn him that he would be bound.
It has absolutely nothing to do with “new age”, I’m not sure you even know what that is, but you just apply it to everything you don’t understand. 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Do you have discernment from God in your spirit? That’s God speaking to you. Do you have supernatural conviction of sin? That’s God speaking and directing. That’s what the Spirits job is as it says in John 16:8. Which is exactly what God was doing all the way back in Job 33.
@@lukericker8325 Hey, chill out. Contemplative prayer is not taught in Scripture and IS big in the New Age. You do whatever you’re going to do.
Your equating of “contemplative prayer” practice with all accounts of Christians listening to God or waiting for his voice is flat out heretical. Being led has nothing to do with this sort of prayer or meditation. YOU made this false association. God speaking through people has absolutely zero to do with “New Age” like your comment says. That’s absurd. New Age thinkers don’t even believe in a God who speaks, they think they ARE god. So you have no idea what you are talking about.
However, I would direct to the abundance of scripture which supports meditation and contemplation on God and his word, including being still. This has nothing to do with any New Age practice, and existed long before that was around.
@@mdkelley100 I’ll chill out when people stop spreading false information about God.
@@lukericker8325 While you are waiting for a word from God and being deceived by demons, I’ll continue to get a true Word from God by reading my Bible. You should try it.
In the early 90’s I was the associate pastor of an A/G church. The senior pastor resigned and I was asked by the church to serve as the new senior pastor. The church was in terrible shape and I didn’t want to stay on as senior pastor. However, before I took the new position I wanted to be absolutely sure that it was God’s will that I stay. For 3 days I prayed on my knees that if God wanted me to stay he would have to speak to my heart. I prayed and prayed for three days. On the third day I “heard,” so very clearly, God say to me: “Do you believe that I called you to pastor the church? [yes Lord] Rather than pray for peace to stay, stay until you have peace to go.” I was blown away! The “voice” was SO clear that I got off my knees and stayed on as the senior pastor. I believe that God does speak to us today.
Certainly God leads us, assures us, and reassures us by his presence. A lot of the "I heard God say..." crowd is more about "special revelation" to them and THAT is not truly the voice of God. Try the spirits and see whether they are of God. Discernment is key. One way to always know if it's the will of God is it will ALWAYS and ONLY glorify Jesus and Jesus alone.
Man that was good! God bless y’all
Great vid good info, I never believed in God audibly speaking to anyone not saying he can’t of course I’d never limit the Lords power but I know a lot of ppl need this vid. God bless Justin
God bless you both, I love those videos
My book has arrived! Thank you for these videos and book. This is very much needed.
Excellent!! 👍
Thank you for this vid!! Major subject that gets misunderstood a lot!
Thank you for coming out so strongly against what I'm going to call Pocahontas Christianity, which is really just Disney and the New Age dressed up as Christianity with zero theological basis. I finally understand why Hannah Hurnard was side-lined! New Age emotionalism is SO ingrained in our culture! I feel SO RELIEVED learning all these Truths!!! Thank you!!! Please keep writing!!!
Ok now Im gana have to go and buy the Book because I have a Muslim background and my introduction to Jesus as Saviour was in a dream!
I too my introduction to God and the Bible was through a dream….and I was not even a Muslim……If there was never the holy Bible, I would still have believed God because of the revelations of God I saw in my dreams……clearly God speaks through dreams….but not everyone is gifted that way. There should be a balanced teaching about this topic, just because others are falsely hearing and misusing the voice of God doesn’t mean it’s all lies
I got the book! It will be here Friday! YAY!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!
Wonderful, absolutely wonderful!
I have never been more convicted of my own sin and pride since listening to you, Doreen, Chris and Steve. Lots of tears and repentance. Thank you all so much.
Thank you GOD for new revelations of YOUR WORD.
Where are these Revelations coming from?
The Holy Spirit illuminates God’s Word as we study but there are no new revelations. Maybe illuminate is what you meant by this.
It actually lifts a nagging burden to understand that there is not something wrong with me spiritually because I can honestly say I have never had God talk directly to me. I know that the Bible is the sure Word of God and that is how God speaks to His own. But sometimes I hear enough of this "God told me" stuff that I think I am missing something, that maybe I am too flawed and sinful for God to interact with. But I know God interacts with us through His written Word primarily and overwhelmingly so it is good to have that reinforced. I am pretty sure we have all eternity to hear directly from God anyhow.
Whether God speaks directly to people or not shouldn't really matter. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God will speak directly to those who are His.
God spoke directly to the prophets of old and the apostles/disciples, but it doesn't mean that there was "something wrong" with the rest of the people who believed but God never spoke to directly.
Whether God spoke to you (or another person) directly or not is not the barometer to determine God's favor/love for you. God interacts with us in different ways. Be of good cheer.
And yes, God speaks to us primarily through Scripture through the Holy Spirit. The Word is alive. God bless you
@@Pyroverbs205 Yeah that's what I am saying. So many of these charismatic cults teach that God speaking to you, speaking in tongues, seeing visions, etc are proof of salvation, much like some other protestants teach that works are proof of salvation and not trust in CHrist alone.
@@danstone8783 You will produce fruits if you're truly saved, but I never read in the Bible that you need to speak in tongues and see visions, etc...as proof of salvation.
What a dangerous teaching they have.
That nagging burden was probably God convicting you to have more faith. Instead you went the opposite way and became stiff towards him, like in Acts 7:51.
He interacts with us primarily through his Spirit, that’s what the bible teaches consistently. No where does it say he speaks or even teaches primarily through written word. The bible says that scripture is “God breathed and useful for teaching”. It actually says though that the Spirit is our primary teacher, the only one we need, AND he can bring remembrance of things God said. Scripture is vital, but it is not a replacement for the work of the Spirit. The Spirit didn’t stop arbitrarily after the bible was finally canonized in 200 ad, or in the 5th century. Or when the apostles died even earlier. He didn’t stop his work as soon as the last word of the last book was written on a piece of paper. Rather, the bible teaches, that in the last days (meaning from Jesus ascension to right now) the Spirit will be poured out ON ALL FLESH. That means not just on the apostles, or during their time, but all times for all people in the last days. The bible also says that if a father gives good gifts, how much more will God give the Holy Spirit to those who ask.
@@Pyroverbs205 It’s true that the way God speaks is not a measure of how much God loves you. That’s 100% true. Scripture in fact teaches that God speaks to different people in different ways. Read Job 33 for this. This proves it was NOT just prophets, but all manner of people who heard from God, even just for the conviction of their own personal sin, the problem is that they didn’t perceive it, that passage says.
This is helpful information for me, now I will not be frustrated when not hearing any audible voices from supposedly God.
Well said!
God doesn’t whisper, he has already spoken.
How about, in these last days, God is speaking to us in warning with the increasing earthquakes, floods, famine, displacements of people, increasing persicution, cruelty and evil deeds towards children, people and animals, war, and rumours of wars, an increase in Christian persicution and on and on goes the list. And yet, these false prophets and preachers don't seem to 'hear' or heed these warnings, and yet how do they miss them? 🤔 In fact it's almost laughable, if it wasn't so sad. Instead the likes of some seem to think they have control over these things.
Thankyou dear and true brothers Jim Osman and Justin Peters for your continued efforts to shine Gods true light 🙏
Thank you
If anything this has renewed my faith. I have been so disheartened listening to these HVG people, they are everywhere. I was beginning to think God either had no interest in me or that he didn't actually exist.
If you are seeking God, it’s bc He is calling you to seek Him. Do not seek men, seek Him, with an open heart and He will guide you. The Holy Spirit will you to all truth. He has changed my life, I will never be the same. Praise Jesus! 🥰
Thank you so much for this video because so so many people, even some of people who I personally know and love, say that they hear from God, the Almighty God.... So I’ve been praying for that gift, and actually find myself all upset and crying to God and asking Him what am I doing so wrong that You Lord can’t even speak to me, but nevertheless You speak to everyone else. 😑🥺 and also find myself trying to make God Almighty, The Great I Am, (😅) feel sorry for me. I’m just being honest. It sounds ridiculous but these things I find myself doing when I am in prayer and reading His Word. I have my prayer times throughout the day every day and read the Bible every day as well, so I drive myself crazy trying to listen. Just thank you both for sharing your knowledge, and God bless you both. Maranatha.
audio book narrated by Jim and I am 100% in
Another thing to notice is that no one expected to get Devine revelation outside the Bible back from 100 years ago to the first century. This is a new concept.
Bought one. Excellent interview Justin. Every Christian should read this and hear this interview
Why? Isn't the Bible sufficient?
@@Charles.Wright could you elaborate?
@@Charles.Wright are you suggesting you never do a single bible study, ever read a commentary whatsoever? Never listen to a sermon bc what do sermons serve anyways? If you say you don’t and never have I don’t believe you. Get off your high horse thinking your more pious than others. That my brother is a sin. Read a book, critique it or agree with it but if you don’t read anything outside of the Bible and that’s the only book you have in your house I don’t believe you. Stop it. I’ll not get into that holier than thou comment
I know God healed me.i woke up sick an i cryed out to God.an i said lord u said where 2 r 3 are gathered u were among them.an its me an u.it has nothing to do with me its what u have done for me.i felt a touch where it was hurting.i couldn't move my head either way.i was really sick.after i felt a touch on my neck.i was instantly healed.another time my mother had died an i was looking at my bible sitting on my table..i heard a audio voice.say pick it up..The bible.ive picked it up an haven't put it down.i don't hear audio voice any more. no one can make me belive that God didn't heal me r say pick up the bible..no one.i was there alone an it changed me from inside.thank u God
The two or three gathered is talking about church discipline not about Jesus being in our midst.
@@daisybrown3819 It literally says Jesus will be with them. You are wrong
@@lukericker8325 the CONTEXT of the passage is talking about church discipline!
@@daisybrown3819 No, it isn’t. It is re-stating the verse just before it. You are arbitrarily saying it is about something it isn’t. That same passage talks a great deal about children. So why not say that is the context? No. The verse is exceptionally clear about ASKING and RECEIVING. NOT about Church discipline, which Jesus just finished talking about. His point then moved to an essential truth, that He is with two or three gathered in his name. You realize those bold headings in your bible are NOT scripture right? They are made up.
Please explain your interpretation and how it doesn’t mean what it literally says it does.
@@daisybrown3819 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
“Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
Explain how the truth of that passage is negated by your context. Go ahead.
THANKYOU JUSTIN AND ALL YOUR GUESTS IM A GOD LOVING AND FEARING MAN WHO I ASK EVERYDAY IF I AM GOING TO SIN IF I ACT UPON A MOVE THAT COULD HURT ANY OF GODS CHILDREN AND AM GOING TO READ THE GOOD BOOK FROM FROM THE START TO END AND THEN EVERY DAY I STILL FEEL THAT THE HOLY ONE HAS NOT ENTERED MY MIND AND ASK HIM OFTEN TO WASH OVER ME BUT STILL FEEL A DISTANCE IM NEVER GOING TO STOP SEEKING MY LORD AND HIS SON BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADVISE TO STEP NEARER TO OUR FATHER PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU HAVE THE TIME IF NOT I UNDERSTAND GODBLESS YOU AND ALL THAT IS YOURS BLESSING MICHAEL MOULTON
I have ordered the book. I attended A/G churches for 25 years and there were so many things I began to doubt. For years I thought there was something wrong with me because I wasn't experiencing things that others were experiencing. I felt like an outsider at times. I never gave up on God though. My father taught by example to read the Bible and I knew it was all true even if I didn't understand it all.
My testimony is so similar to yours that it’s scary! So glad the veil was removed for both of us.
I didn’t grow up in that type of church but there were many Christians who believed this. I would say God never speaks to me like that. I would wonder if something was wrong with me at times until I found this nowhere in scripture. It’s well “I don’t have enough faith” kind of thing. This poor man believed his wife died bc he didn’t have enough faith. Very sad of a non burden. I would feel as if they felt a bit superior over me and others, like some sort of contest. Now, if someone tells me they had a vision from God I tell them it’s their responsibility to tell the world then. Shout from the rooftops, get on tv, tell the world. Leave all behind and tell everyone. They usually shut up and never do.
Right on a text taken out of context becomes a pretext and this is proof positive!
John 10:27 meant to me that they follow him and keep his commandments and understand his purpose.
Thank you brother Justin Peterson what a blessing for you lesson i am blessed
God bless you all thank you so much for the edification.......I would the book but I am in South Africa how do I get it ....and I have a friend in the Charasmatic movement and seems to be a mixture of Prosperity gospel aswell ...I have been telling him about God no longer speaks been giving him Hebrews 1:1 still doesn't believe God has ceased to speak He has spoken in His Son and It's done.....my friend is denying scripture because he says he has heard from God something that is contrast to what the Word teaches .... please help!!!...please pray
These people redefine the Word of God to fit in their lifestyle, they have no fear of the Lord .. thank you for this amazing teaching. May God bless your ministry abundantly.
I thought I heard God: then I read the WORD over and over.
Thanks, always felt I couldn’t live up! How do so many pastors and teachers get all this stuff wrong? What else is mis taught? Many feel guilty and inept over wrong teachers. I know I don’t go to church anymore.
I'm convinced now that our Christian Church is not only scripturally illetrate, but illetrate in general!
Pretty much. There are a few out there but it’s pretty bad
Some ironic stuff you've written there...
JP Thanks for introducing the book. My wife and I miss your devotional and your new scripture series. Busy man I know the Lord is using you brother. Praying for you daily to reach those in deception as I once was.
The Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you into all truth there is the good the acceptable and the perfect will of God sounds like 3 distinct areas that you can go the Holy Spirit lead you in these areas what's the purpose of having the Holy Spirit in you if he does not do anything for you
Eternal security...once saved always saved...easy believism!! Is the gospel it’s not a damnable heresy! It’s the gift of God.
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I’ve never heard God speak to me. I read the Bible everyday to understand the God I serve. My question is, does God answer prayer? I pray to Him every night. I pray for wisdom to understand the scriptures, I pray for the salvation of unsaved family, I pray for our lost nation, I pray for healing for friends who are sick. Is it all in vain? Does God listen to our prayers? I haven’t read this man’s book but it seems that he is suggesting that we should not expect anything from God in this life but all of His promises have to do with the afterlife. It’s a little confusing.
I'm sorry you got that impression from this video. I didn't hear Jim or Justin say that, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Jim is saying that God has spoken in His written Word, so now we don't need Him to talk to us, audibly, outside the Bible. Prayer is you talking to God. You are invited to bring your cares and petitions to Him. He answers every prayer of those who belong to Him, but _how_ He answers those prayers is not _audibly_ but in time, in reality. For example, you want to pray for your friend's healing. Do that, and if your friend is healed, that's your answer. If he's not healed, that's God's will, too, and that's your answer.
There are great promises that will be realized in the future, that's for sure. The Christian is not guaranteed a nice, easy, healthy, wealthy life. In fact, we will suffer in this life. But we have received the Holy Spirit who will never leave us. We live in hope of the resurrection to come. In the meantime, we trust God as we read His Word and see how He is faithful, and that all things work together for good to those who love Him and are the called according to His purpose.
@@carolberubee Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your insight.
Carol what a gracious loving and careful reply to dear Barbara. How wonderful Barbara that you are reading, praying and trusting so faithfully. The fact that you have found these two dear brothers is proof positive that God is hearing and answering at least one of those prayers, your desire to understand His word. The Lord knows those who have a real desire to know the truth and He is faithful to lead them into the green pastures where He can feed them. The Lord bless you dear sister as you grow in grace.
..... and Barbara I have been praying for my unsaved husband and his family for more than forty years and I will continue to do so until the Lord takes me home.
@@veronicamay4685 My two son is not going to church and I been saved 3years ago so I pray for my son's salvation and except God as they're our savior. I will praying for them till God's time. I didn't hear God's voice but He show me when I need help send someone or give peace in my heart.
Thank you both!
Tx Jim n Justin. Verses jumping out of scripture. Would like to her proper discussion on that. That seldomly happens to me n I think most evangelicals.
Amen!
Exactly Jonah did not have any doubt about who talked to him or what he heard.
I know there are many extremes in the church today, but this is also extreme. When did God stop speaking and leading? Kindly provide one chapter and verse that says that God doesn't lead, guide or speak today, as we must be biblical in our positions and beliefs.
Sometimes I think that Cessationism is easier for skeptics and atheists to accept in many ways. But God has not changed and will not change with time and seasons.
While there is no teaching in the scriptures about how to hear the voice of God, it's clear that God still leads, speaks and guides today as the master communicator that He is. It is so critical to be led both by the Scriptures (inspired by the Holy Spirit) and the fellowship/communion of the Holy Spirit lest we make the Holy Spirit synonymous with the Holy Scriptures.
Hey Justin, I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding the two witnesses found in the book of revelation?
I have a cristian friend who was praying for revelation in a bussines.I told her it was risky in these times even if it was a small supermarket.2 months later she said she heard a voice wispering her that everything was going to be Fine and to go foward while she was praying.She lost in less than a year a house, her health and is in the court cause it was a scam
The book arrived today, looking forward to reading it! Thanks for discussing this subject matter.
So when I ‘hear’ the voice of GOD, I will basically be hearing God’s Word / Scripture; that I have already read before ? I have not heard God speaking to me, except when I heard a statement in my mind….. saying “pull over, the ladder will fall of the truck in front of you”. I moved over without even thinking. The ladder flew off the truck, it would have hit my front windshield. Since then God is with me but He is silent. I believe in the cessation of Apostolic gifts. Also believe in Dispensationalism.
Mr Peters please let me know if I am understanding the Bible correctly. 🙏🙏🙏
I was praying came across this gentleman
I am a Christian but my understanding of God the churches I was going to I was so confused
I had a near death experience though I saw Jesus and was wrong I just told a few people how amazing I felt but I think I was wrong I pray god forgives me today I give my life to Jesus, fully as before today I told so many lies so many things I was wrong about, I love Jesus so much I was just so lonely when I last my mum lately, churches are shut bear me, I was just looking for someone to watch that was honest
I would like to ask someone about dreams because I don't know if I am diseaved I am new in faith and need to watch someone that can help me understand the bible better
I am praying and just trying to stay on God's word only and pray before I sleep so I don't dream anymore 😔
Over cautious, check out Kevin Ewing on RUclips, he's got many strong bible teachings about dreams and many other things! God bless you!
@@gretagutensohn6728 thank you, I will pray about it because I want be right by God and the Word, thank you
If it brought you to Christ then it was probably from God. These guys are talking about folk who expect stuff like that everyday but your situation is very different and God has used dreams before.
Love Christ because He first loved you and follow the scripture the best you can loving those around you. Don't get too worked up. These people are tackling a different problem. Sounds like God decided to show you grace and call you to Him in your weakest state. Praise God I'm so happy to hear your testimony! Scripture Scripture Scripture, keep reading it trying to hear God though it and fall deeper in love with our God and Savior Jesus Christ and find fellowship with other Christians so you can be loved on and you can love on others in the Church body.
@@intothekey God bless you, it's so good to know that and that you are encouraging me in my faith I feel so blessed to have that opportunity to be near him but it's not because I was any special to anyone else God knows who needs what, I will pray and start the bible this week and read through it all over the year I was told it's a real blessing
@@intothekey thank you God bless
if God is not speaking you're not going to hear Him, and if He is speaking you will not miss Him
Hmm, I just want to say, right here, right now. I don't follow the promptings of any of the Pastors you mentioned. However, I don't to do that, nor do I need to have the verses in the book of John, to believe what I believe. I have without a doubt had promptings by the Holy Spirit. Not to figure what church to attend or what doctrine to believe. It was in fact, that prompting that led me to Justin Peters Ministry. So, I guess, I should stop following your ministry. I mean from what I'm hearing here, there was no prompting by the Holy Spirit to follow your ministry. Too bad too! Because, I really enjoy listening to you and the biblical instructions you've provided. Wow! Now what do I do?!?! 🥺😯😕
You have every right to believe what you believe. However, that doesn’t make it true.
I agree with you, except, do you really mean that you didn't need the book of John to believe what you believe? No, we believe the Bible because of the conviction, the "unction", of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit won't guide anyone away from the Bible, and He would never provide some direct guidance _instead of_ the Bible, to anyone in rebellion against the Bible. It is His word, inspired by Him, and to reject His word is to reject Him, probably in favor of another spirit. It is the "sword of the Spirit", and notice that Paul described His use of it as like a surgical instrument: able to divide between the joints the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. We cannot do without that, and the Holy Spirit will not guide us in rejecting His own word.
We can become so confused and offended by misinterpretations and misapplications of the Bible, and associate it with spiritual abuse, that we don't see how it can help, but that's exactly what Jesus said the Spirit would be sent to do: to guide us into all truth, as well as to be our Comforter, and to cause our hearts to say "Abba, Father", so the truth that He wants to guide us into is good for us, not destructive. The word and the Spirit go together. It is His instrument, inspired by Him and actively used by Him. Some of these people talk about Him as if, once He inspired the New Testament, He returned to heaven and sat down with Jesus and the Father. No, Jesus said He would be sent to 'be with" us "forever". Jesus said He would show us things, and that is through the apostles, but in our daily lives as Christians, He shows us things, too. The difficulty is in explaining the difference between the things charlatans deceive people that He shows them, and the things He really promised to do for us. It is really hard to put into words, and especially in a stressful encounter with people who have an agenda, Iike happens all day, everyday, online. That's why we need the Bible all the more. Look at it this way: the unction of the real Holy Spirit are authoritative in our lives; there is no way that they could not be. He's God. But what we say that the Holy Spirit showed us has no authority in someone else's life. Only when He has shown them something can it have any authority for them, because no one should believe that God has spoken, even inaudibly, just because someone said so. Without a true confirmation by the real Holy Spirit in your own heart, how would you know? And without confirming that it was the Holy Spirit through testing the spirits, we can deceive ourselves, and get into spiritual strongholds, etc. But the Bible's authority as the Holy Spirit inspired word of God speaks to all of us.. We test the spirits to see it they are of God through the Bible, and that which doesn't line up with it, is not of God. We'd need the Bible for testing the spirits, if we didn't need it for anything else.
Waiting on my order to read the book ... actually it’s making sense..I’m sorry for my snappiness to defend Dr Charles,, I’m getting what ur saying now, can’t wait to read.once again my apologies and keep up the good work 🌻
Oh wow! Thank you so much, Fran! Blessings to you :)
Thank you for this, I can't wait for part 3.
So do the people who claim to hear a word from God, are they lying or hearing from Satan or is it just what they want to believe?
Good question! Is was wondering the same thing!!!
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Great video!!
I appreciate and am thankful for Bro. Justin’s ministry. Though I DO NOT believe God audibly speaks to anyone, nor in prophecy. I do believe God can lead us thru the Holy Spirit. In study and in preparing/preaching a sermon. I get a sense of an arrogant spirit from this author. There is a difference in boldness and cockiness.
I think you're raising an issue that Jim Osman has never argued for. Jim Osman has never argued that the Holy Spirit doesn't lead/guide us. The issue is those who assume that the Holy Spirit leading us means that He's going to speak directly to us about what job to take, or which person to marry, or where to go have lunch, etc. I'm sure that's not the view you hold to, and Jim Osman doesn't hold to that either. Jim Osman, Justin Peters, and every Bible believing Christian believes that the Holy Spirit guides us by His Word in every aspect of life, and that includes preparing a sermon.
@@jacobgarcia4826 I do not believe that, as you stated. But, as a pastor of 24 years, I have learned that a person must be clear on what they state. I hope he does not hold that view. It would have been great to hear him clarify it. Many new believers follow brother Justin and I wouldn’t want them pushed away bc of not being clear. God bless!
@@montakellebrew821 I see your concern, and I agree about being clear in clarifying certain things. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Jim and Justin clarify the point you brought up in part 3 of this series of theirs. I believe I also heard them say it in their series on spiritual warfare.
Learning so much. Thank you
the bible says that whatever isnt done in faith is sin, so i walk by faith in all i do trusting in god to walk alongside of me and help me. even when i fall short and sin im to go god for forgiveness. those who claim to hear gods voice usually get messed up in sin?
I agree with most of this message, and the HVG theology , but I discern some Calvinistic teaching which disturbs me. I believe in the Sovereignty of GOD in All things and the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT unto Salvation , but not necessarily according to 5 pt Calivinism
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Not some Calvinist teaching - this man is steeped in it, as are most of the misnamed 'discernment' ministries. Disciples of John MacArthur and his cessationist theology.
What about Calvinism to you disagree with?
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Sometimes I may feel a nudge or an unexplainable urge to do something nice or giving like stopping to get someone a gift for no reason or to seek out a particular person at church or maybe the Holy Spirit will put someone in my heart to call overwhelmingly for no reason other than to leave a voicemail sending my peace and blessings. I dont believe we go through life with no inclinations or supernatural godlike Urges, but yes as far as "hearing God" goes im definitely convinced by Justin at this point that its complete nonsense. My favorite quote so far of his is the "...if you wanna hear God speak audibly, read it (the bible) out loud." I go to a charasmatic church and im hearing "God told me" all the time. I beening feeling so insecure praying so much saying "Lord let me just hear you or feel you or anything. Show me a sign" kind of prayers. I stand by them and I know they've been heard but I'm seeing now that I have to trust and believe without seeing like Im told to. Ive known for a few weeks that I dont fit with the charasmatic church and ive actively been trying to get people to stop listening to bethel and hillsong and teaching and talking directly or indirectly against the teachings of bill johnson and his pals.