Andrea Doria 1991 with John Chatterton
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In 1991, the wreck of the Andrea Doria had been on the bottom for 35 years. It was called, the Mount Everest of Wreck Diving for a reason. It offered virtually limitless penetrations of the interior. Deep wreck divers from around the world came to the Doria simply because it was deep, dark, and dangerous, and it really was. This video is of a dive I made in 1991, to the Second Class kitchen. - John Chatterton
#shipwreck #shadowdivers #technicaldiving #johnchatterton
When I was young, (and fearless and adventurous and immortal... and maybe a little stupid) I worked on the Great lakes as a professional diver, this was the late 70s. I did a lot of this kind of wreck diving, incredibly dangerous; but I loved it. Now I look back, wonder what the hell was I doing, today I get claustrophobic getting in to a bath tub.
Did you get to dive the Morrell? Such a interesting wreck with its wreck sites being 5 miles apart
I think a professional diver would be more like a career or a hobby you take seriously into old age and retirement
Yeah cool story boomer i bet thats what you would tell dates . Nobody who has these skills just quits. Even people who go through traumatic rescues get dive certification. Its addicting. The tri-mix at depth is highly addictive and euphoric.
I could hear the drums beating just reading this comment
@@GreaseMonkGarage Are you really stupid, or just an obnoxious idiot, or maybe you’re addicted to the Tri mix you described. This was in the 70s fool, we had steel tanks and air. You want to call me a liar? Ever done anything meaningful with your pathetic life? I didn’t think so
I was there! I was on the France. We picked up 54 passengers. Afterwards we went back to NY. Very sad, but exciting as well.
You mean the Île de France right? The SS France wasn’t in service until 1962.
Since this was filmed, the entire superstructure/upper decks of the Andrea Doria has collapsed into a pile of rubble on the ocean floor. Only her hull (below the enclosed promenade deck) remains and that is slowly caving in.
wow, thanks for the info. Writing this in 2021~!! I just posted a comment that it would be a good idea for Jay Leno to commission a rescue diving team to bring up that amazing Chrysler Norseman prototype. But I guess I'm at least 15 years too late.
@@montinaladine3264 lol
@@montinaladine3264 Yes, it is sad...at least your heart was in the right place...
@@montinaladine3264 The car would probably be on one of the lower decks, not the upper decks.
@@vancouverman4313 cargo hold, but it's almost certainly under the other cargo. The ship did sink on it's side after all. That doesn't mean the car can never be, we just need to make it ourselves.
As a ex diver, and having dived on wrecks some of which had been sunk in excess of 80 years I can safely say I have never seen anything more dangerous than diving this particular wreck. Thanks for the brilliant video of your dive.
How do you train yourself not to be orientated? I got my cert a long time a go but I can see clearly how you get confused and die on a wreck
Hi, My Dad, James Gordon and my Grandmother were on the ship when it had sunk. They both survived :)
In this case, I will have a request to you. Ask them what they know about the Chrysler Norseman car that drowned with the ship. No one has found him there, and now it is a mystery covered in darkness.
Виталий Старков everyone’s sad was on the bloody ship in the comments of you haven’t noticed
@@user-dd3pb2fm3d I just commented about that car!
@@rileyrourke7442 So what? still no answer.
Grant Mctaggart sssszz
I could listen to John narrate wreck dives for hours
Thanks to John we get to see things we wouldn't normally get to see. Thank you John and other guys like him for giving us a peek into the deep oceans.
'On air'?! 220 feet deep on air in a very disorienting environment is beyond imaginable, I've been narcked at 80 feet on air to an uncomfortable degree. Chatterton is a beast. One of my favorite divers.
Robert French wait? If he went on full air that’s dangerous as hell for him to do.
Some people have a crazy tolerance. Sheck Exley dove to 465’ on air!
How does one use just oxygen i didnt think it was possible. He must function well when he is faded. Makes him calm and confident
Swimming across a maze of crumbling rusted metal where one wrong turn means death takes a special kind of bravery. My sincere respect!
Same .
No it makes one feel alive . Stand on the edge
@@ruebencover5795 Diving is an exhilarating experience, but I have never tried anything remotely close to that level of danger, so all I can do is imagine.
What I really wanted to see was the Chrysler Norseman and its condition. Its a legendary car that went down with the ship never to be seen again. A one of a kind prototype built by Ghia and utterly gorgeous.
I was hoping to see it too!... I remember reading that a diver did get to the hold where the cars were and said there was nothing left of it...it was hard to see that is was once a car apart from the engine block and the white wall tyres are intact none of it's beautiful bodywork survived .
Supposedly it was strapped into a sealed steal container . It could possibly still be mostly intact. Can you imagine the bids for it at an auction if it was pulled up?
@@MrSubmariner13 It isn’t, the diver who saw it observed in 1994 that the body was mostly rusted away. Probably only fragments left now.
I was going to say exactly the same thing. Seven years too late I know, but still relevant. I am in another country, I'm not sure how, but I would like to contact Jay Leno (a rare car collector and long time Chrysler enthusiast) and say that I think it would be a superb idea if he commissioned a team to bring that Norseman to the surface! It would be a great adventure and bring credit and good will to him and Chrysler. If the wreck is within reach of divers, then surely it would not be insurmountable.
@@montinaladine3264 It's gone
Just watching Chatterton navigate that wreck was disorienting. Imagining myself 220 feet underwater trying to do that with all the silt and snags--I'd be so dead. Chatterton is superhuman.
When it comes to ship wrecks; you can throw all logic of
"Where the fuck Am I" out the window!
Tiger H. Lore once in the 70's on a cattle boat trip while diving a cave structure off Santa Cruz island at night. I was following a group of divers ahead of me. Things started to get murkey the further we got into the cave until it was total silt out. I turned my light off and guess what.... I was alone, no idea where to go no idea how to get out. I remember I took a compass heading before entering the cave. I had no back up light either so if my light went out I was toast. I followed a reverse course until the cave structure got bigger and finally at one point looked up and saw the moon on the surface. I surfaced, got my gear off, had a couple of beers and went to bed.i never dove at night without 2 back up lights and never went I to a cave again. It spooked me that bad and I was what people considered a very experienced open water diver with hundreds of divers logged. What I just saw here brought back some bad memories and I wasn't at 220 feet, more like 60-70. You can keep the wreck diving, too spooky for me.
Tiger H. Lore wow! Mee too! Lol!
this is like Doctorate level ship wreck diving.
@@sprocket580 "Experienced" open water diver doesn't mean squat in a cave. Many fatalities are just that.... Experienced OW divers.
Always depressing looking at the remains of a great ship. Brave person executing this exploration, dive. Thank you Sir!.
This is amazing! I remember the Andrea Doria accident in 1956 as I was a child!Thank you for sharing all this!
me too!
Likewise. Watched in play out on tv news for days.
I totally agree! Id be afraid of bumping into one of those racks of dishes and have them fall and pin me in the wreck! All that darkness that deep! Johns a brave man!
oh my i dont no how you do this and stay so calm just watching it gives me the creeps
kelly sabatino i don’t get the creeps, just a cold, dark, blind sense of panic. I can imagine Richie Kohler inside grabbing booty and ignoring the zero viz he’s creating. I hear he has quite the collection of chinaware plates and such.
kelly sabatino I just get the bends 😆
Amazing video. Sadly the Andrea Doria is not as intact today. The entire superstructure (including the glass enclosed promenade deck) has collapsed onto the ocean floor and all that is left is the hull.
Nothing sad about it, everything will return to basic elements at some point, including you, and me.
It depends on the environmental conditions surrounding the wreck. The reason why the Andrea Doria is in such bad shape is because of the currents that surround the wreck tearing her apart and the shallow depth (240 feet) she is at. There are other wrecks in the world that are far old and in better condition. An example: the wreck of an ancient Greek merchant vessel in the black sea that's about 2,500 years old that is in pristine condition at a depth of about 6,500 feet(preserved due to no soluble oxygen in the water) . The wreck of the USS Hornet in the pacific (which lies 17,500 feet below sea level ),sank in 1942, still has all of her paint ,and looks like it sank yesterday.
What about emu.?
My dad who passed in December 2023 was an Andrea Doria survivor. My dad grandparents and 2 uncles were immigrating to the US from Italy.
Amazing! You guys diving on air at those depths! Narced (and keeping a clear head), exploring, watching for dangers (falling debris, entanglement, stirring up sediment) along with searching for treasure (artifacts), and staying with the dive plan! I’ve been diving 40 years and a Trimix diver but not even a quarter of your level! Thanks man!
Came to show this to my grandfather who was on this ship when he was 16 crazy to see where he walked and almost died
Balls of Steel right here! These wreck divers are incredible especially Chatterton, guy is amazing.
Most people today don't realize this but ocean liners were the way to go across the Atlantic and Pacific until the 1960s.
Andrea Doria was among the last of a breed of transatlantic liners. She was also far from the biggest ship that sailed the Atlantic. Many of the classic liners (the Olympic class, the Lusitania class, Imperator, Vaterland, Majestic) built between 1905 and the mid-1930s) were far bigger and carried twice to three times as many passengers on average as the Doria. Post-World War II, the tendency was to build smaller liners that were more efficient and carried smaller passenger loads. There were still megaliners like the Queens (Mary and Elizabeth) that grossed over 80,000 tons and carried 3200 people but they were becoming the exception. It was harder to sell all the berths on a megaliner and they often operated at a loss because of this.
Commercial JET aviation took off in the 1960s. That's when the 707 and other commercial airliners flown as prototypes in the 1950s matured into production planes. The travel times of these vehicles were much less than the fastest boats (which would still take days to cross the seas) and the transocean liner was largely dead by the end of the 1960s.
Commercial aviation existed well before the 1960s but it was more expensive and the maintenance was higher on piston engine aircraft. It took about 20 years for jets to become reliable enough for the average person to stake their lives on them. When that happened and more planes started to fly, the ticket prices went down and for the convenience of getting to destinations much faster AND paying a lot less, that ended the supremacy of liners as the main means to cross between continents.
John is like a Vietnam tunnel rat but underwater. A true adventurer.
Yea and I live with him XD
TheNahaw I would expect that can't be easy.
Dirk Pitt He's a cool guy. I don't expect you to believe anything I say though XD
+TheNahaw I'm so envious of the things he does. I can't get enough of deep sea detectives.
My favorite thing that he's done is definitely going down to the Titanic. The U-boat discovery was pretty cool to. He made me read his titanic book before this school year started XD
The calm professionalism and courageous determination of Mr. Chatterton is something that I greatly respect and admire!
His methodical approach to this most hostile environment, navigating his way in the silty gloom of deteriorated passageways and disrupted interiors is a masterclass for survival in such a challenging environment!
As wrecks deteriorate and become too dangerous or impossible to enter, the videos of the vessels before they succumbed to nature will be all that remains.
Thanks to Mr. Chatterton there are many videos of such wrecks whose histories may otherwise be forgotten.
His expeditions are genuine adventures, and it's wonderful to be taken along via his excellent videography and narration.
The wreck today is very different than in 1991. Since 1991 the entire superstructure has collapsed onto the sea floor and the bow has separated from the hull. As for the hull it is collapsing in on itself and in the near future the wreck could be a pile of debris on the sea floor.
lasuvidaboy I guess that shows the danger of entering wrecks - that collapse could have happened at any time.
Ill dive into that now
Deck plans don't do you much good anymore since the majority of the ship is collapsed just like the Lusitania.
And that is a good thing.
I've been diving 35+ years know, with lots of etchings, in my qualification book, pushing the limits, lots of times, in my younger days, and never, ever, tire of watching these type of videos, they are fantastic. You none divers, will not understand it. I've dove ice, cave and wrecks, all over the world, my only regret. I never videoed any, only my memories, and few pictures, to tell the tales. I think its quite funny, reading some of the comments, only a diver would understand, when people say things like, "he gave me a thumbs up, as a thank you" ho ho ho. Dont just think about doing diving, go and learn to do it, correctly. Me personally, your nearest BSAC, there are other dive clubs, so please dont give a older wrinkled diver greeff. You will not regret it, Theres a whole new world, under the water to explore, if fantastic, words cannot explain the wonders and feelings. I really wish I had started younger. So stop thinking and act, you honestly will be in awe.
I got my cert back in 88 and never went out again move to a shit hole Elko Nv and quit doing everything I need to get a freaking life . We cert at a place called blue lakes out of Wendover Nv its fed by natural hot springs we got our cert done and got a free dive I went down 60 feet and the bottom of the lake was percolating from the hot springs I dove down and stuck my arm in one of the holes percolating wow what a rush it was cool as hell . Our dive master kept telling us dont forget the cheese whiz for the dive ! I kept thinking WTF do we need cheese whiz for for diving . Well found out quick on the dive platform perch started showing up and the instructor shot out cheese whiz the fish goubled it up I grabbed the can and they would come right up to you to get that cheese I mean right up in your face always laughed about the cheese whiz . there is no way I would put on any gear now I have turned into a fat ass need to lose weight and get healthy and I need to recert I loved it
I’m really greatful I was fortunate enough to be trained by John Chatterton in Advanced Wreck. What a wealth of knowledge. Thx John.
Great video. Was on the wreck in 1998 and 2000. Had taken a mixed gas course a few years earlier, which John taught. John is a knowledge warehouse and is an inspiration. My dive buddy at the time and I did a mini penetration. We carefully laid strobes and went nice and slow. Once he starting digging and the room blacked out I nearly @#@&ed myself. I didn't move a muscle, just help the light towards this ever growing blob of darker and darker silt. I could not even see my gauges. It was only until, what seemed like 20 minutes, I saw my buddies arm coming out from the silt that I grabbed it and turned to exit the wreck. Took 15 to 20' before I could recognize any structure. The first strobe on the way out was invisible until I was on top of it. lol We got out just fine and if John's penetration in this vid was a 10, our was a 3. Those china and silver rooms were waaaaay out of my ability.
Enjoyed it very much. You gain such an understanding the diver's techniques. Unbelievably very daring.
I read your book "Shadow Divers" about U-895 almost 16 years ago, and it was Awesome! You had some material in there about your diving on the Andrea Doria! Thank you for sharing this footage with us here on RUclips!
Aloha from Hawaii! 👍👍🙂🙂
Love this and still dumbfounded that this is done using Air, as it predates Tri-mix. You had to do this while being narced...insane.
I'd have trouble navigating that ship when it was floating on the surface😕
By far the best AD dive video
I was on a weekend vacation at Martha's Vineyard, MA which was the closest island to the Andrea Doria. Friday had been a warm sunny day perfect for enjoying the sandy beach. Saturday the fog was extremely dense. It was impossible to see your hand in front of your own face. All the tourists could do was stay inside and amuse themselves without the beach. Sunday morning at the crack of dawn we learned of the wreck of the Andrea Doria in the early a.m. Saturday night. It was so tragic and sad but there was nothing that anyone on Martha's Vineyard could do. It was on the tv filming it from the sky. I will always remember that I randomly happened to be there the weekend of the sinking of the Andrea Doria.
Wow... Thank you so much for sharing this brilliant dive!
Randomly enough was just finishing uup the book the last dive.
This is absolutely nuts. Don’t know how they could pull this off. Amazing
John, thanks for a great video to giving us a rare look inside the wreck. In 1984 I spoke with Peter Gimbel. He said that much of the ship's interior structure had been made of wood which when he dove the Doria found that much of the interior levels had collapsed to the lower side of the hull, however, from your 1991 dive it looks as though that's not really the case. I believe now though that the hull is beginning to collapse in on itself? I almost dove the Doria once with a team, have always regreted not going. Thanks, again.
I love your commentary. You're obviously a very competent diver.
As much as I love and enjoy diving, I honestly could never see myself diving this wreck. You sure gotta be brave to dive a wreck with these types of conditions ON AIR!😂😂😂
+EverestGaming The ship is pretty much collapsed now -- just like the Lusitania. It's draped in fishing nets, the superstructure (bridge area, first class suites, etc.) is pretty much gone, and the hull is starting to fold like an accordion.
You can still got there, of course, but it's no longer a glorious ship. It's a skeleton and becoming increasingly dangerous to explore the interior. Deck plans don't do as much good anymore because the interior has shifted and things are out of place... you also take the risk of the compromised structure collapsing on you.
Heck, at least 14 people have died diving on the wreck...
@@AvengerII 19 People now.
Fascinating, and frightening, too!
I read Shadow Divers when it first came out. This is the first time I have seen any videos of yours, John. Now I'm getting ready to have my morning coffee and watch AL OF THEM! Thanks for this.
I had relatives on this ship when it sank. Thank God they survived.
a majority of the people did, a giant ocean liner, the Ell De France quickly made it’s way to the Andrea Doria.
1660 People Survived, unfortunately 46 people died..
My relatives not so lucky
I would thank the other ships and the lifeboats.
Those pieces really got tossed around when the ship rolled over at sinking
This guy dives where others are scared to lose their ROV's! Just watching this makes ny b*lls shrink.
I have deep respect for John. I meet him the other day and he was very chill. He has my respect from that and from what I've read of him and watched him. Someday, I would like to talk to him a bit more on his achievements in diving.
awson video i am a diver did few wreck and cave looking at your vid brought back the feeling ty
EFF THAT! Braver soul than I. I'm claustrophobic just watching this plus I'm afraid of the dark, afraid of water where I can't see to the bottom and generally creeped out by the sight of shipwrecks.
I've always heard exploring the Andrea Doria was nearly impossible because of the tides.But I've always hoped somebody would bring the wreck up because it's full of Italian cars, including the 1956 Chrysler New York Auto Show Car, which was made of stainless steel so supposedly it "should" still be largely intact.
The Doria wreck has deteriorated drastically in the last decade or so. All of the superstructure has collapsed and slid off into a pile of debris and part of the bow has broken off and reports are that she will be an unrecognizable pile of wreckage in the not too distant future.
RobbHahn all that will be left is that stainless steel car at which time i will take my boat and grab the car with a grappling hook, and drag it ashore
And a week after this, I was born!
This is an amazing video , thank you for being so brave.
This makes me feel like I can't breathe.
Love this ship for its mid century Italian modern design. With much of the structure of it having collapsed in last decade or so maybe some of the design elements are now exposed - typically after all this time just the ceramic items: the exotic tiled bar in the cabin class pool verandah, the desk supports in the cabin class reading room, the abstract wall sculpture on the first class stair landing above the foyer, the crown shaped light sconces in the tourist class dining room (though they may have been metal and have rusted away).
I would like to see an exploration inside the Britannic. The Andrea Doria dives are always fascinating.
Amazing stuff. High level diving right there.
I remember the story of 2 lady's who's door was stuck they couldn't get out of their room when some people went to help her they found another couple also stuck in their room well they helped that couple get free from their room after helping them get free they were so happy that they forgot about the other 2 women who then went down with the ship
john sepulveda damn that would suck ass.
@@Lilliz91 That would be the worst way to go. Trapped in a ship, no power so your in complete darkness, and about to drown.
Excellent narrative and dive. Thank you.
Amazing journey, JC! Thanks for sharing. You have some serious nads diving on air at over 200 feet. Guess that's why they call you "King of the Deep." Lol! Enjoyed it.
It's not the narrow spaces, dark atmosphere or lighting....its the "What if something pops out!" (11:04) scenario that gets to me.
Great video. You have unyielding patience and nerves of steel!
Yes I wondered what that was to
amazing footage thank you for uploading
Very interesting , Informative and brave
Amazing how John could overcome the creepiness and claustrophobia. Yikes!
Well done my good man. Most intriguing. You do very nice work. Am now a fan. Will be looking for more of your work. Thank you!
Epic! Thanks for this amazing footage and narration, Mr. Chatterton. So happy to be able to see the Doria on the screen... Coz I don't know if i will ever dive this wreck lol.
That looks like something more terrifying to do than anything I'd imagined before seeing this.
I have the original Life magazine with the Andrea Doria on the cover and have always been fascinated with it. A $100,000 Chrysler prototype automobile went down with the ship. I wonder what it would take to recover it, or if it would even be worth it.
Fantastic stuff great story told incredibly to point and even better to see all that great stuff from first class. VERY FIRST CLASS John.
Wonder if there’s a chance of you gaining access to where that one of a kind 1956 Norseman Chrysler is still boxed up? Was worth $100,000.00 when it was being shipped.
My Dad’s name wasJohn Chatterton. I miss him dearly
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I once explored an underwater ship wreck....except it was in a bathtub and the wreck was made out of plastic rather than metal.
This is fascinating. Great dive footage. I'm reading the book "Deep Descent" and it goes into detail about the numerous diving deaths st this wreck. Definitely not for the faint of heart!
I couldn't never do this, Just knowing you're on a time limit and so easy to get lost inside a wreck laying on its side, and also the depth it's at, I honestly the people who do this is are a lot braver then me lol
He is the real top G, read his biography. Man is fearless.
Just watched a video that there as a prototype car from Chrysler the Norseman was on board being shipped to america it was on b deck
That thing is long destroyed
THIS VIDEO IS GREAT!!! This was like watching a "thriller" or "suspense" movie b/c having studied/read about the Doria (including books like: Shadow Divers & Deep Descent) I have read how dangerous diving her can be. I was nervous watching this, but in a good way, and I enjoyed the opportunity to see how she looked 35 years later. Does anyone know if there is a way to reach ANY of the collision area (internally or externally) to further study her damage? I know that David B. was attempting to get into that area/study that area further before his demise. Thank you for posting this video! I am going to look to see if there are more as soon as I am finished watching this video.
She settled with the crash cut side down, according to divers. So most of the original hull cuts are buried under lots of silt and mud. Now, the decks are pancaking too.
You are a braver man than I would have ever hoped to be.
Thanks for sharing, one awesome wreck for sure, cheers from Sint Maarten.
Wow no wonder this wreck has claimed divers lives.
I am not there and I got confused with the stairwell, up and down. Yikes!
Wow. That was dangerously cool 😮
my grandmother was on the andrea doria
I’d want a souvenir like a coffee cup or a spoon
Couldn’t imagine diving down that thing and going into it. Even as an AD. Too scary.
Excellent job diver, you navigate that wreck 💯
Sorry for the question.. but did you saw the Chrysler Norseman there?
Maybe someone carjacked it
My husband dove the Doria back in the early 80’s. He came home with a plate and cup.
This guy is good.....and pure crazy
Thanks so much for posting this!
Man this awesome and the guy talking sounds like a refined jack nickelson i love it.... great video 👍👍👍
Fascinating, scary, sort of sad.. Really well-planned and brave.
DID U EVER FIND THE GOLD RM ? IT WAS GREAT WATCHING U GO THRU THE BOAT.
Shouldn't access actually be far easier, since most of the interior has collapsed to the lower side of the ship as a mass of wreckage? It's basically an open space now (save for the wreckage pile). Maybe the interior wasn't entirely collapsed in 1991?
Wow. This is amazing. Thank you so much.
SHADOW DIVERS!
I could watch videos like this all day long but as far as me doing something like this forget it lol. I'm a Picker and always have been I will go damn near anywhere to find some goodies or collectable's and as much that I would love to dive to find something I don't know what it is but it freaks me out to much. I spent years on a Ocean Research Vessel we were actually the first ship to test the very first ROV this was in the early 80s and have they ever come a long way since then. Thanks for the video I really appreciate and enjoy watching you on your escapades. Cheers
I would be so lost even with the strobes. I wonder, is laying line just too difficult inside a wreck like that?
BALLS
Brilliant - the books come alive watching that. I will dive it one day - but on mix lol can't wait for shadowdivers
I never trust stairs. They're always up to something...
Lol!!
Thanks for the great video! It's amazing how fast the ship has deteriorated in 50 years. In the hold are several show cars that were built for Chrysler by Pinin Farina in Italy. How does that much silt get so far into the interior of the ship?
I have done a bit of diving me, but have to say, you are one brave man. But seem to be extremely prepared.
Amazing footage, props man.
I could never be a diver! I'm claustrophobic and I'd be way too scared to go inside shipwrecks like that!
John Chatterton, Bill Nagle and Richie Kohler are my heroes! RIP Joe Drozd!!! Drozd died inside this wreck. God bless the SEEKER!