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make more cinematic and bearhunt style videos please
I ask my mon to get me one or two for Christmas
Could you make a video where your in a fighter helicopter and another guy ur fighting is a Viper
Day 118 of asking for A-10 vs F-14
gotta do ww2 now lmao
Imagine being a MiG-21 pilot. You're used to Sparrows and Sidewinders, and suddenly you've got this new plane throwing redwood trees at you.
"Used to sparrows and sidewinders" implying they could survive that long in commie junk aircraft
Thats the best description of the aim54 I didn’t know I needed 😂
I would just leave my aircraft and go join the USN or the USAF
I had the same thought.
Also the plane is twice your size but could dogfight you better anyways
Tomcats did serve in Vietnam during Operation Frequent Wind. They were shot at but were not hit and didn't get into any dogfights.
this was in 1975 correct? which was 2 years after the american withdrawal. So they were really just there for top cover and the vietnamese didn't interfere with it. Frequent wind was simply an evacuation mission if I'm not mistaken.
@@GrowlingSidewinderYes, the F-14 flew air cover and was never engaged iirc
However having the AIM-54C is a weird choice since they only replaced the 54A starting in 1986
Strangereal scenario
But ya the A/C model made no difference in this scenario as even the A model would have come off the rail active. But ya in hindsight sight I should have just used the A for more “realism” even though it made no difference but still.
VF 1 and 2 off the Enterprise.
“You said you saw bandits?”
“Yes”
“What’s their heading?”
“The ground.”
P.S. When, after firing the gun, the lock diamond drops back from the target and starts flashing, that's not a tracking problem. The gunsight is showing where your rounds landed relative to the target. The radar is still tracking the target and the pipper cross is still accurate.
thats very cool I did not know that, thank you for teaching me something new.
The F-14 was the response to the RoE in Vietnam, and to the 'weakness' of the F-4. The powers that be required visual confirmation of enemy targets before engaging, which eliminated the primary, as intended, weapon of the Phantom, the Sparrow. That camera under the nose of the tomcat was intended to negate that rule, and worked beautifully in this video. Of course the gun and the maneuverability of the Tomcat were also big advantages as well. Had the Phantom not been limited by the RoE of the day, I suspect it would have performed better as well. Great Vid
The TCS wasn't added till much later, and was often optional iirc
The sparrow was dog shit in Vietnam when it was able to be used anyway. There was a lot more than just the RoE holding the F4 back. It wasn't exactly given the best chance to succeed.
The Tomcat wouldve performed worse than the F4. The F14A had an identical rate, but retained energy significantly worse. Its engines also were ass, making its acceleration significantly worse than that of the phantom.
@@intlon4299No it wouldn't have. The F-14A performed better in pretty much every way.
@@okisoba The F14a was much heavier and has been mislabelled as an amazing dogfighter. The F-4E had a significantly better TWR. The Phantom had a wing loading of 380kg/square meter while the Tomcat had 450kg/square meter. Of course, wing loading isn‘t everything, but with such a big difference it gives a clear advantage to the Phantom.
Seeing the Tomcat in the camouflage USAF livery is sick! You basically fought the last scene of the original Top Gun without Iceman.
Calling the F14 the F22 of its time is just poetic..
And a bit of a stretch. Poetic license and all that.
@@kristianfischer9814 Relative to its time, it really was F-22 of the 70s. Nothing could touch it.
I would say the F-15 was the F-22 of that time.
@@Chibbs.E F14, at the time, was faster and had a more powerful radar. It had the capability to carry the AIM54, where the F15 could not. It was also generally better in a dogfight.
Probably because it wasn't.
Actually, in early DACT of F-14 and F-15 against aging A-4 and F-5, the performances of those new "superfighters" kinda disappointed the guys in charge. Later, those magnificent machines began to live up to their reputation, but the analogy with the F-22 is not entirely fair. The F-22 has a crucial advantage that sets it apart from everything else before it: the stealth.
that MiG-21 dodging the phoenix made me think how much id love to see the reverse of this video. the tomcat is such a big threat, but itd be cool to see what you gotta do to combat it effectively.
Actually, the F-14 in the 70’s is an apt comparison to the F-22 today. The Raptor was the first Fifth Generation fighter, and I believe that the Tomcat was one of, if not the first Fourth Generation fighter.
It was actually the first fourth generation fighter ever developed.
Arguably it's the Saab 37.
@@maianoguillaumeno it's not tho
More a 3.5 gen IMO. It was outaded in many details from the day one (engines, radar technology, partially the missiles, even the wings were derived from the A-6). For example the HOTAS, to my knowledge, was introduced with the F-15, that also introduced more modern engines, wing profiles, electronic suites, and was able to be controlled by a single man. I think that the first true 4 gen was the Eagle.
Your last few bullets hitting in the trees with the last one hitting the water was pretty cool. Neat that its modeled in where bullet impacts show that far away!
F-14's had a huge amount of issues during their first years that would have make them combat ineffective in Vietnam. It wasn't until 1979-1982 that the Tomcats started to shine as they received much more reliable engines and avionics. But damn if they have been ready for Vietnam...
I've always said that the F-14A vs F-14B was the jet version of the P-51A vs P-51D. When the Tomcat got its new engines etc., like how when the Mustang got it's Merlin, it became a completely different beast.
Have you ever tried simulating the situation where the US pilot avoided 6 Iraqi SAM missiles with F-16 purely on maneuverability due to his flares not working. That would be interesting to see.
12:08
HOW DID HE SURVIVE MOWING THE GRASS ON THE HILLSIDE?
W O W 🤯
Was kinda rooting for that last Mig to survive. That mountain tree-through pass was insane.
Imagine if they got the tomcat tested just 2 years sooner, she might have saw combat in the last year and just utterly dominated. The F22 of her time is probably not a far off analogy. Though I suppose we did already kinda have air dominance though 3to1 ish kill ratio is still probably not good considering the costs of machines.
The combat history of the F-14 with Iran proves your point. Every time an F-14 fired up that radar, all the Iraqi planes ran.
Hell, the Tomcat forced Iraq to actually get better fighters because the F-14 was such a beast@@Elthenar
2 years in those years were an eternity... the technology was moving forward so quickly. Think about the technological evolution between F-14 and F-16, whose first flights are just 4 years apart.
Well at least the tomcat wasn't rushed in testing
For the Tomcat to dominate, the USAF would have had to trick the Vietnamese Migs to come out to play. Remember that Col. Robin Olds had to deceive them by having F-4s masquerade as F-105s with Operation Bolo to get them to come out and fight. In doing so, the Vietnamese lost half their Mig-21s.
Number 8 legitimately flew through trees!!😂
That Tomcat on those Mig 21's is like some big bully picking on all the scrawny kids in highschool. Shoving them into lockers and such.
I personally believe the Tomcat set the standard to how modern multi-role twin engined jets looked.
F-15E:
Except the Tomcat wasn't multi-role.
@@kristianfischer9814F-14B was multirole, it replaced the A-6E Intruder in the 90s
definitely
@@Maverick966 Was forced to act like this, because they had no alternative - the early F/A-18 was far more modern, and frankly apt for the role, but it lacked the range. The fact they placed some bombs under the F-14 didn't make it a true multirole.
You inspire me to play DCS so thank you for being here!
IIRC, NVAF interceptors were controlled by GCI and tactics often focused on avoiding detection, deception, feints, or just plain positioning the interceptors in a firing position. It would be interesting to see this played out with MiG's in the rear quadrant and watching you wring out the Tomcat to reverse the position!
Always a treat to see you up in an F-14 😎
How about a Super Tucano vs a BF-109?
Oh snap!!!
How about a Flanker vs BF-109?
The Tomcat is still my all time favorite fixed-wing to see overhead. They’re just really cool flying over you, even if they’re admittedly outclassed in a CAS role by quite a few other aircraft
The Tomcat made its combat debut during Operation Frequent Wind, the evacuation of American citizens from Saigon, in April 1975. F-14As from Fighter Squadron 1 (VF-1) and VF-2, operating from USS Enterprise, flew combat air patrols over South Vietnam to provide fighter cover for the evacuation route.
and there were still tons of Americans VIPS, personnel, and troops in the area.
Came here to say this.
What a lovely "what if" scenario!
Man, I was leaning into the turns with you. Fantastic flying, as always.
Thanks for sharing.
Clear skies, my friend.
It's beautiful watching the missiles acquire target and give chase; ending in a fireball.
That mig felt the heat from that phoenix missile LOL
i would have thought those aim-54s cost more than the migs your shooting them at!
Yeah! I've often talked about this in the past. Glad you're running the sim. Love the SEA paint
It's probably pretty apt to call the F-14 the F-22 of its time. According to Alex Hollings at Sandboxx, the cost per unit of the F-14, when adjusted for inflation, would've actually been greater than that of the F-22. And like the F-22, the F-14 could do things that no other single fighter of that era could do.
The F-15 had the best mix of AA performances of any Western fighter until the F-22, so probably it earn the title of "F-22 of its time" more than the F-14.
@@andreabindolini7452 You do realize the F15A was nothing like the F15C? It had a much worse radar, only AIM-7 sparrow bvr missiles, and a pretty outdated cockpit. The F14A is much more suited for AA performance than the first eagle models
Both Hangar Queens from reports on both aircraft. Both the modern F-22 and the vintage F--14 are cool aircraft with great abilities.
I thought that looked like a weird camo for a Navy fighter, even of the I noticed it said USAF instead of USN. Perhaps a scenario where the F-14 found such success that the Air Force wanted it, too, then went back to Vietnam? I can get behind that.
I was serving aboard a Guided Missile Cruiser when the Tomcats made it to the fleet. I remember thinking those aircraft were awesome looking and huge compared to the Phantoms & Skyhawks.
I’m reminded of the Star Wars quote from an Imperial Officer “ Great, our first Catch of the Day”. Lol😂😂
The Cat was very hungry for Fishbeds today.
Can you imagine the F16 in Vietnam? Even with just the gun and 2 Sidewinders on the wingtips I don’t think anything could have touched it.
Only the most skilled pilot In a MiG 21 BiS would give it a challenge but in a two circle nothing would win
Vietnamese would have desperately needed MiG-29s to counter them. Even MiG-23s would be defeated on dogfights, especially 1 circle fights
I’d say the MiG-19 would have had the best chance against an F16 in a dogfight, the MiG-21 turns like an SR71 and ambushes that worked against F4s probably wouldn’t work against F16s.
Range would be a problem. Phantoms tanked 2-3 times going north (operating from Thailand).
@@Nghilifa Yeah, but they were also loaded with bombs and had the aerodynamics of a barn door. I’m thinking an F16A with 2 Sidewinders, 20mm, and tanks since the A-G capability wasn’t added on for a while.
That last MIG flew through the trees and bushes then kept flying. No wonder it laughed off most of your cannon shells. 😀
6:12 The Vietnam paintjob on the tomcat is really looking canon !! and amazing move too !
Great video! I wouldn't have minded seeing the tacview on that furball; I lost SA and was curious how close you were to being in danger
It brings back the old Tomcat saying "You can run, but you'll just die tired".
Yo GS,
Happy weekend brudda. As always the your Cat videos are awesome. Great paint scheme. Great lead up to the what if scenario. Commentary was top shelf! Cant even imagine your flying along in a MIG thinking your a match for what ever is coming then your boys get dropped and you close in and your seeing a massive predator flying to get you. Thanks for the video. Have a pleasant evening. Cheers.
The F14 did have a bit of time in Vietnam with VF1 & 2
Covering the evacuation in 1975.
Props to that last Mig 21 for hanging on as long as he did😄
Nice video and very good fights, the Tomcat is really an amazing aircraft!
LOL mad respect for that last MiG, dear lord flew for his life, sadly luck ran out.
The Top Gun program was developed because of the US fallen kill ratio.
They made a movie about it.
Awesome video, probably one of, if not my favourite F-14 video from you
The only thing weirder than seeing F-14 in Vietnam is that "USAF" inscription on it.
The gun sight is possibly the worst thing about the Cat. Seems like you've got to manually adjust the lead from the default every flight in order to hit anything (mils, front right panel)
at the very least it's a HUD, way better than the simplistic sight the phantom had
Regarding your mission, it would be nice to see the way you would use the F-14 electro optical system in order to visually identify the bogeys you had on your radar. The greatest difficulty that the US forces faced in the air over Vietnam, was the rule of engagement, that wanted all targets to be visually identified before engaging them. That meant that all the advantages of the F-4's radar system, were rendered useless as the F-4s had to approach their enemies in order to have a visual ID. This would not happen in the F-14, with their cameras doing the visual ID from a distance and then engaging them in BVR. Very good video though!!! Thanks for sharing.
Some F-4Es had the tesio ( spelling) electro optical system and could use sparrows more effectively. But by that note, the 102 and 106 should have kicked the migs asses with their e/o systems...
"What IF".....this has great potential for a series
That Tomcat actually looked great in USAF Vietnam colors.
Love your videos, awesome scenario, great piloting
you're camping in the woods, it's serene, perfect, nature at its most majestic, you hear aircraft in the distance or overhead, can't really tell, then something that sounds like a very loud fart and then all of a sudden **SPLAT**
12:07 How did the last Bandit survive this move xD
Also the F14 is my fav modern fighter
Good hypothetical. It really shows how advanced US military was in comparison. I used to think that British military technology was nearly equal at that time and then I read about it's struggle to operate in the Falklands. Their Vulcan bombers were still using late WW2 tech.
The French, at least, were kinda close.
That first sparrow was keen as hell
That gun cam makes my OCD go nuts. Please, please disable it.
Jokes aside, great video. Love how the last 21 basically went through the forest.
Hey GS, any plans on bringing MiniDocs back?
yes, working on a video right now actually.
As an aviation nut and former crew chief on F-15's it really makes me giggle when you say splash one on every single target lol.
lol I gotta work on that. Its just force of habit to be honest and I'm thinking of so many different things in the moment, lol I tried to remember more in this video but quickly lost count lol
GOOD JOB GROWLING YOUR DOING GREAT KEEP IT UP!!!❤❤❤
First 6 minutes was amazing, absolutely dominated!
Very cool! The F-14 was truly ahead of its time.
Honestly this should be done more, like f-22 in desert storm etc.
I remember when I crewed UH-60s we would play cat and mouse with our A-10s and F-16s through the hills of our training area. Lots of fun. We would fly low and fast through the valleys and they would try to get a simulated shot at us. They rarely could. Good training and good fun. It was great one time we took the F-16 pilots on a demo flight on the Black Hawk in the same area to show them how we flew........ there were a bunch of "Oh hell no's" coming from the back! I asked if they wanted to come back and do the same under night vision goggles. Most said "Nope, we will leave that to you guys"
That Sparrow maneuvered like a 9X lol
Great video. More advanced F14 Tomcat scenarios please
Amazing the difference in capability the 4th gen has over the 3rd gen.
The F-14's first combat deployment was actually to Vietnam during the 1975 evacuation. They saw no confirmed action though.
What you have to keep in mind is F4 pilots where NOT ALLOWED to shoot Sparrows BVR, targets had to be Visually identified before engaging. Not sure what scenario would be if the F14 had to visually identify before shooting.
the f14 does have a camera mounted in the front, you can identify targets way farther out visually with that
Perfect timing GS Just got out of school
I was imagining sitting in a tree stand hunting deer and this moment happens. 12:08 LOL I knew I was going to enjoy this vid from the title alone. Well done.
That last pilot must have been one of those Russian Honcho's. 😂
No wonder Iceman did not even think of running away despite being out numbered
It's so nice that your sharing your missles with everyone lol
Went full Winchester at last second...nice👌🏻
the AIM 54 is such a beautiful beast with a big cat.
Props to that last MIG-21! Ol boy was doing some that pilot $h!t to survive as long as he did!
This video is awesome. It looked like you were flying the F-14B model from the look of the engine nozzles. Any reason you didn’t fly the A for more realism?
Awesome vid. Camo reminds me of the F-111
The F-14 looks so rad in SEA camo!
Wicked seeing a Tomcat in that camo pattern with USAF markings.
It's amazing how far airoplane technology went between WW1 and WW2 but the leap in the 30 years following WW2, Crikey Moses!
Could you try to see if DCS will let you, on the A-10, flip the "Ground Safety Override" and fire the gun on the ground?
Would be interesting.
The GSO is on the back of the rear most , left hand control panel. Under a red cover.
VF-1 and VF-2 both flew combat missions and expended ordnance during Operation Frequent Wind, so it did serve in Vietnam, just after US ground forces departed.
True to it's name... The F-14 was a seasoned tomcat on the prowl!
I love when the missile makes impact while it's motor is still firing.
Tomcat is the bully that just shows up and takes a MIG's pudding cup.
That was awesome. Love that Tomcat.
GS, here's a variation you might want to try: how would a 1975 Frequent Wind Gone Hot scenario play out in an F-14A with 6+2 or 4+4 Sparrows and Sidewinders? if I heard correct info and am recalling it correctly, early F-14 doctrine reserved AIM-54s for defending the carrier. We all love the Phoenix, but I personally would be curious to see the F-14 in a Fox 1 fight.
Holy hell that camo is awesome!
The Tomcat went through those Migs like me through a tube of Pringles
Great video. And what a leap in technology from Gen-3 to Gen-4 fighter aircraft. Just one squadron of twenty or so F-14's could have easily wiped out the entire North Vietnamese Air Force.
I can only imagine what Mig17 pilot would think as they just see their entire squadron blown up from nowhere.
Honestly a very cool concept
Loving it!
You could replay this with the F15. See how well that fairs in Vietnam.
Good Work!!!
Vietnamese F-16 vs. J-20 next, please.
Vietnam is reportedly considering buying F-16s.
A likely Vietnamese tactic would have been to draw the Tomcats inland with MIGs, just to be shot down by SAMs.