Can You Use Keyboard/Guitar Amps With Edrums?
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Alot of electronic drummers like to use amps. In fact it's the first and only thing they think of. And as you start doing your research look at various edrum amps looking at Roland/Simmons/DDrum/Yamaha some guys have asked about alternatives to straight up edrum amps. Guys ask me if they can use their Fender amp for their TD11k or whatever, and I say yes you CAN. But you shouldn’t. Guitars play in a different frequency range than a drumset. A drumset covers EVERYTHING. The cymbals cut through some very high frequencies,
(up to 17k HZ). While the Kick drum is basically the reason Sub-woofers exist. (100 Hz). So There is a wide range of sound your amp needs to cover. The Best case scenario is to use a PA system with a Sub-woofer, but not everyone has the money, or the space for that. Guitar amps just won’t cut it. Edrum amps generally have a range of tweeters, a sub, and some mids to cover everything your drums throw at it. But there is another option alot of drummers don’t know about, KEYBOARD AMPS! Keyboards cover most of the frequencies that drums do, so the goals of keyboard amps and drum amps align beautifully. If you have one lying around, don’t be afraid to plug it in, and jam out. Sometimes a Keyboard amp will be more cost effective than a drum amp, and have more ports on it to connect multiple instruments to boot. It’s definitely something to think about. One popular amp is the Roland KC 150. Believe it or not, Roland actually uses the same internals for some of their edrum amps, and keyboard amps. They are priced lower differently because Roland has already established an expectation in drummers that everything is expensive, but keyboardists aren’t buying that. So I’m not saying you need to drop everything and go buy one. I’m just saying it’s a viable option, especially if you already have one around and didn’t know if it would be a good fit with your electronic drumset.
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kicks can go as low as 50hz and a litlle below that :)
true
That's what I thought as well.
Isn’t 50hz a reasonable low-end range to expect in a keyboard amp?
@@josephshelleyphotographer No. You need to go down to 25 Hz to cover all the range of 88 key piano.
@@oysteinsoreide4323 Yes, and there are synth sounds that can pound and sweet to any low or high frequency that one can hear!
I’m disabled and on a fixed income. I already have a two channel Fender Amplifier. I just want to practice around the house during the week. At the end of the week, I do play at our church service. Originally I had the Fender Amplifier that I plugged in my guitar. After my ruptured brain aneurysm and stroke of 2013, I lost most of my finger accuracy and control over the frets. But I’ve always had good rhythm so I put my Gibson J200 Dove off to the side. Now I’m learning drums. Your video was informative with what I needed to know. Have a blessed day.
Man that’s rough I’m glad you could still continue your music journal tho!
I used 2 Peavey keyboard amps that were absolutely thunderous with my anemic-looking TD-7 (around 2000). It was actually funny the reaction in the audience because the combo sounded pretty heavy for such diminutive drumkit.
I have a td6 I want great sound what should I use ? I spent a lot of money on a Simmons da200 and it sounds like crap!!!
This is exactly what I was looking to understand. I am on a low budget and things are so absurd that the drum amp costs more than the drums themselves. So I would definitely go for a KeyAmp. Thanks a lot!!
I’m using Roland KC-400 amp on my Roland TD-17 kvx..And it does a great job....thanks Justin for all you do...🥁🥁
How good is the bass? Does it bring you those vibrations like in a real drum set?
I've been using my Fender Mustang IV amp for my Roland TD11KV (with Apex V Expressions kits) e-drums for years. If you own a Fender Mustang IV amp, go to setting 83 - Basic Preamp. I keep my reverb and gain off and increase my bass + mids to 6.5-7. I run into the amp through the Aux input via a 1/4 inch to 3.5mm adapter. I've never had to put the volume over 3.5 - 4 when playing just the e-kit. I also play my TD11KV with real cymbals sometimes (hi-hat, 2 crash cymbals, 1 ride cymbal) and I only have to slightly bump the volume up to about 4.5 - 5. I've played the Simmons DA200S in stores and from my experience, the Mustang IV is just as good or better.
I'm sure you can get better low end with a high quality PA + subwoofer but the Fender Mustang IV is comparable or louder than any drum amp currently available on musiciansfriend. They don't make them anymore but you can find used ones for around $300 - $500. I should also mention that I play guitar so I get my moneys worth out of the amp.
Right on. I use my mustang also ! Kix ass !
I bought the KAT system and it sounds awesome. I also use it for parties and people always compliment the sound. Thx for the vid
Lol. I use a guitar amp with my drums. I know, I know. No, it doesn't sound like I'd like it to sound. Yes, I'd like to get something else. That's actually really helpful. I probably need a keyboard amp anyway.
This actually helps a lot, thank u.
There’s just so much info to learn.
Also one thing I’ve learn is that u can always sell stuff u buy and get some money back.
Glad the channel is being useful :)
Thanks. I’m super new to electronic drums. I just purchased an Alesis sample pad 4 to create a TINY studio apartment jam sized drum kit. I was looking at the Kat, but your videos and the sampling ability to use my own organic sounds steered me in the direction of the Alesis. Any recommendation of kick and hi-hat pedals that I might add to this to complete my tiny kit idea? Keeping budget in mind if possible. I’d love a real kick pedal style one to make it feel more natural but so far they seem pretty expensive.
Love the channel, long time subscriber here... Your advice on being able to use a keyboard amp is perfect for me, since my neighbor has a Behringer Ultratone K450FX that he wants to give away. I told him that I needed to do some research to see if it would work with my edrum conversion (thank you for all of your fabulous videos that have helped me to do so) and I would get back to him. Of course, the first place I pulled up on my computer was you channel and, BAM!, this video!
I'd say 50hz all up to even 18 khz depending of the cymbals
That's true
For those of you on a budget, peavey makes a multi instrument amp called the vypir. It's made to play guitar, acoustic, bass, and keyboards through. If it can handle all the highs of guitar and keyboards plus the lows of a bass it should be able to handle the e-drums. If your just using them to practice at home and volume is an issue then your probably not looking for anything to gig with at high volume. It should be fine for practice in your room, home. The 20 watt version is under $100. Just another option for people on a budget that don't want to spend a couple hundred dollars on a drum amp or p.a.
Not a bad suggestion at all. I have a VIP Vyper 3. I'm going to try that out. Kudos, Lawrence, for the suggestion.
@@TrackHeadStudios did you try it, and how did it sound?
Daniel Carlsson No, I didn’t try it... I had loaned the Vypyr 3 Amp to a friend... so what I ended up doing was buying Used Peavey KB 5, 4-Channel, 150W Amp from Musicians Friend for ~$200!!! (Normally ~$600!!!!)
I got one hell of a deal.... and it serves my purposes wonderfully.
I use a 40w peavey keyboard amp in my one bedroom apt, I love it for my situation.
Solid :)
I have a collection, 3500 watt PA with a 1500 15 inch sub, 100 Watt Yamaha KB amp and a small Alesis 50 Watt DA with an added 200watt 10inch sub. All work really well, thanks for the video!
Wow that's a lot of speakers
I have a budget setup with a behringer mpa40bt and a roland tk-1k and totally happy. I use it also to monitor bass, guitar and keyboards. Also, it does has a battery, which makes moving around if needed quite easy.
Thanks! Now I'm gonna go buy a keyboard amp for my keyboard!
a very helpful video, Justin!
Thanks John :)
I just bought a slightly used pa loudspeaker for $250. It's a Yorkville 115 powered speaker with a horn. 200 watts RMS. It's plenty loud for practicing.
I plug into a mixer and use my studio monitors and sub. Sounds great. I have a mic, bass and guitar head that all feed in as well. Works great.
I play my drums through an old Onkyo receiver and some super cheap Dayton B652 bookshelf speakers. Sounds great! If you wanted it portable, you could get a small 30W 2 channel amp and bookshelf speakers. Roughly $80 total on Parts Express.
The Cheapest and best PA out there now is alto. You can buy 2 1100 watt mains for $350 each and add the Sub for $600, so that's $1300 for everything. It's one of the best PA systems i have ever heard too
Nice :)
Link?
I came here to say that I have bought a cheap (although somewhat sought after) 80s/90s Roland Cube-60 Keyboard amp to drive my e-kit. I was quite disappointed. However, I tried my bass amp (Boss Katana 60) and after some tweaking it sounds AWESOME. It's mainly because it has a tweeter which helps a lot. Not ideal, but if you have a bass amp with a tweeter give it a try! It won't break the amp like with guitar amps.
My sons Edrums are using my wife E piano.
The piano was rather expensive but has a system for Mic and ex. It really works well.
I picked up a Behringer Ultratone K900FX for about $110 at a pawn shop. Using it on a Roland TD-17 kit, sounds pretty great.
a Peavey Vypyr VIP-3 Guitar Combo Amplifier is a good guitar amp you can use if you have one anyway. it is designed to handle bass, electric and acoustic guitars so the range is fairly wide. one of the exceptions to the rule.
love your nightwing tshirt, can i get all the frequencies using a bass amp for my edrum?
Great video, I use a 30 watt guitar amp with mine for band practice at my home and it's not the best but puts out a clear sound and gets the job done, now im in the hunt for an 80watt key board amp on a trading site, went to youtube the model for a quick idea of how it might sound, then I stumbled on this video and you have just convinced me to buy the keyboard amp, cheers from Australia mate 👍😀
Robinson???? Is that one of you mates?
true, but I hope one day drummers will understand that is not just about frequencies and volume, but it's also about how the cab and the speaker are going to sound. See how guitarists are picky about cabs? Why? because what colour the sound is not just the driver size, the amp, brand etc, but it's also how the cab is built: the size, open back or not, wood choice. All these things are going to colour your tone.
Copped a Peavey Kb2-40 watt for my Roland Handsonic HPD-15 👍
What about bass amps?
Some bass guitar amps can do the job. There are very transparent examples around, which are more PA systems. A PA would be better, but if you have one around or can get one really cheap, that is worth a try. But that does not work for all. Some go 'only' down to 40hzh and not beyond 4k.
I bought second-hand Roland KC-60 keyboard amp to use with my Roland TD-17KVX drums after watching this video. Unfortunately, I don't quite like the sound out of it as it is somewhat muffled and bassy. I tried to improve the sound by using the knobs on both the amp and the drum module, but just can't make it nice and clear. Do you have any tips on how to improve it?
I'm using a Lab Series L5 for a drum monitor. Using a D. I. I split the signal to a monitor amp (Lab ) and to the P A. Cause every player has to hear what they're doing. I got a keyboard amp but only 2 channels and have 2 board going through. Again also as a monitor for the player and split to the P A. Depending on the situation also. If it's feasible with just put these amps towards the crowd. Everything has to equal volume to mesh together.
Hey man! I use a guitar amp you probably never heard of and it does hella good for me.
What amp do you use??
I’m using the Roland KC-400 Keyboard amp it’s doing a Fantastic Job....thanks for your lessons and Avice...Jim Hammond Louisiana..👏😘👍👍✌️🥁🥁🥁
Keyboard amps rock :D
Dig the Nightwing shirt! ;)
Thanks so much for answering this with a clear explanation and a sensible alternative!
I note that guitar amps tend to look cool but keyboard and drum amps look really nerdy. Maybe that’s a gap in the market!?
Just got my amp. Couldn't get the sound I wanted. Started teaching around for some help. Found this video. About 2/3 the way through I realized: DUDE's GOT MY SAME AMP! Setup: Done.
Another freaking useful video, as usual :)
Thanks David :)
I have 2 behringer 300w piano amps. They rock. They also have multiple quarter Jack's that I can run direct out from the alesis strike pro where the signal is really dry out if the module no effects, but can also run just the stereo outputs to the amps from the module and get the effects from the module when jamming we can use just these 2 Amps Nd sound great bass, guitar and vocals plus my drums and again they can crank without distorting each other out no clipping as well and these were $300 each
Sweet!
think that each of them 1500 dolars would u buy it? cuz im not 300 dolars equal to 1500 money in my country, i need something cheaper u americans fucking lucky
Please I really wanna know if it’s possible to use my e bass amplifier to connect my e drums?
Behringer "all in one" PA amps are very affordable and work great! I have the 18" ($200) and a pa cab with 2 10s and Also a 12" passive daisy chained off of it to have a triangle of speakers around my room
Thanks justin i use a 18" subwoofer with a 10" carvin bass speaker with a tweeter. It sounds GREAT i get lows & med & highs. My power is a behringer 1204usb mixer conected into a old peavy amp i get 1600 watts of sound just with that amp. You forgot to mention if use a high pwer amp or guitar speaker not to blow out ur speaker. Happened to me now im more carefull. Thanks again justin for that info. Their are good subwoofers out their with low pricing. And speaker also. Just have to research. And compare prices. Thanks keep up the good work love ur video's.
Hey can you suggest something for my td6 vdrums I want it to sound like it does in my headphones and I bought the Simmons 200 and it SUX
Ive used a Peavey KB4 amp on my Rolands forever and never thought about using anything else I even
mic my cajon through it at the same time
Thanks for commenting that... you just supported my idea to get a Peavey KB5 (I have keys already, and just got an e-kit... now I have triple excuses to pull the trigger and whip out the credit-card.)
I got a steal deal on a Behringer starter e drum kit. I'm a guitar player so my guitar equipment is sellers. But cheap is good and free is better. My job sent me to clean up and board up a abandoned house. In a closet I found a Yamaha 88 key keyboard and a Peavey 60 keyboard amp. Goes so well driving keys and drums on stage and then D I the amp into the house P A. With my small amps we just use Peavey.
I used a Marshall belt clip 2 watt amp and it shook the Oakland Coliseum when we played there...either that,or the drugs I was on made me hallucinate way too much and that never happened..😒🤷♂️ lol,love your vids man..they have been helping a TON..ty.🙂
Great vid. Everybody turn down the drums, louder is definitely not better and it won't make you sound or look like a rock star, distortion is not a drummers friend. Also the other band members ears will love you for it, and your own ears will to, Oh and so will the neighbors, Mine have been ringing since 1978. Bass amps work fine unless you want to pissing off the neighbors and so do keyboard and guitar amps, the key element is a 12 or 15 with a tweeter or horn and an EQ. or at least low, mid and high knobs. The secret for bass drums and toms is the woofer and the bigger the better. The secret for snare and cymbals is the Tweeter or horn. Don't waste your money on a 8 or 10 inch woofer period. P.S. turn them down and tell everybody else in the band to turn down to.
Hey, glad I came to see this video. I'm looking for a Amp/PA or just amp for my keyboard. I own 2 yamaha keyboard and I'm using a useless cheap Karaoke speaker as a Amp or I should say PA kinda thing. Which speakers should I approach for my keyboard. Keyboard amp or Keyboard AMP/PA? I'm looking for something around like $100 to like $200 max. I'm looking at Guitarcenter as well.
Very useful tip ma dude!, I was torn between Laney AH80, more of a general workhorce 80watt and a Laney DH80, drum monitor. I think I'll go for the AH80 if it can sound as good
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So I’m not sure what your message is, but does it have something to do with stuff covering a wiiide range of frequencies?
Thanks man! This is very useful.
I have gigged with a keyboard amp, in front of 500 people…it wasn’t great, but it got the job done. For a bedroom drummer I say is more than adequate.
Great Justin !!!
Hi Justin, I was wondering if the Behringer Ultratone KT108 amplifier would work with the Alesis Nitro? Thanks!
Hey mate, it's been 3 years. Does it work?
I’ve been using a KC-50 for my drums and just googled to see if it’s a good idea. Guess so!
Hey 65 Drums- Good info, which BTW I've also been telling many e-drummers for years.
I purchased my first Roland TD-10 Concert V-Drum Kit in 2002, same kit and same time as Neil Peart of Rush.
I had Yorkville Powered Speakers NX25P and NX550P that I used from my PA System. The NX25P's didn't do the job for my outdoor gigs but the NX550P's are holding their own and do a good job, but not really the right frequency range, plus they were a bitch to haul to and from gigs. So, I've recently purchased the Traynor DW10 200W edrum amps and have used them on recent outdoor stage shows. The great thing about the Traynor DW10 is the DI Output to PA and if needed in those cases I turn the Traynor DW-10s around as monitors. There are 3-channels and in stereo. I've cranked them up at live shows with my latest Roland TD-25 Kit and they have handled the bass very well.
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I have the Kat HD400. yes, it was expensive but SOOO worth it.
Thank you mate! Finally i got the answer! :)
I plug mine into my 7.1 surround sound home theater. It sounds quite incredible
You could damage it over time
Hi there! Thank you for your awesome videos!!
Can you help me please on choosing the best amp beetween... or ?? Another option is but much more expensive! I dont have other brands like Simmons available here. Can you help?? Thankss!!
Excellent information and excellent delivery on this video! Very informative.
I own an a 8 channel PA head and I am considering using that to drive a speaker for my edrums. Now I just have to find the right non-powered speaker add an affordable cost. Anyone have any suggestions? I know there must be several options.
Need to use a bass guitar amp and it works just awesome. I'm using Warwick.
I only have a 25 watt fender bass amp . I'm hoping it will work with mine when I get a chance to hook it up , I just bought the alessis nitro .. What wattage do you use ?
I use a cheap 5.1 surround sound speaker and subwoofer combo lol. It’s so trash but when you crank it to the max and blast double pedal it definitely makes for an atmosphere when the sub and 5 speakers all blowing out haha
can you use a bass amp with electronic drums??
Could I use a drum amp for a Roland V-Drums TD-1DMK Drum Set? It doesn't seem to have an output on the module to accommodate the larger jack size. Or can I use an adapter?
great info! Cheers!
I did not know this information. Good to know. What about studio monitors?
They work great too. But they don't have enough bass in most cases. So you'd want to pair them with a sub as well
Hi, thanks for your videos, they have really helped me choose which kit is best for me. I also play guitar, and I have been looking online for an amp that has both drum and guitar compatibility. I haven't managed to find anything, I'm not sure it even exists. Are you aware of any? Thanks
A guitar amp usually is expected to do well with significant distortion/overdrive. That cranks out an unusual amount of high frequency that tends to be bad news for dedicated tweeters. So many guitar amps make do well without separate tweeters and go through a single speaker, making for a coherent distorted sound that does not cause thermal problems for the single speaker. But that tends to be bad news both for the low frequencies you want for kick drums as well as for the high frequencies you want for the cymbals. Bass amps tend to be a better match for your common purpose but may well be worse suited for lead guitar use, particularly when you want to go for heavy distortion. And you do need to check whether they do your cymbals justice. Acoustic/clean guitar amps may also be worth looking at.
how do bass amps do for e-drums?
I use computer speakers to be the output of my electronic drums. They can handle the sounds I throw at them. But it may vary on speaker to speaker on how loud they get
I use a bassy 2.1 computer speaker system. It does the job for my mini studio. But yeah, I believe I will have to upgrade my speakers.
I've ordered a Marshall Code 50 for my electeic kit , will it be fine?
Okay... I'm back. This hit the mark: BINGO! I have a Roland keyboard (even though guitar is my primary instrument) and I've always played it through my studio monitors via a Mackie Mixer (because I already owned that combo.) Recently, I got my hands on a Roland TD-11k and couldn't get the sound I want from the same combination. So, I started searching for drum amps... and stumbled upon the idea of getting a keyboard amp.
You helped my decision congeal: Keyboard Amp for both my Keys and my new e-drums!!! Thanks so much. Peavey KB-5... here I come!!!!
Nice !!!
Really love Ur videos... They're genuinely helpful.
Thankyou ! :)
Thanks man I really appreciate that :)
I love the low key,passive aggressive almost,sarcastic tone @2:23 ...lmao..people ALWAYS GOTTA NIT PICK EVVVVVERYTHING people post..its like human logic disappears when people go online..lol
I just bought the Alesis dm10 X and i love it! I got it barely used for $600 too! :)
It's pretty sick, i'm gonna get one too :) Great rack, huge pads, upgrade the module and you've got a monster
Good price :)
Hi Justin, I wanted to know what you think about the Mackie Thump 12A. 1300 total watt, super lows and super highs for around $250 ish.
Hey Justin. Cool video!
My td-25 sounds great on my roland rh-300 headphones. However, it sounds absolutely horrible on the roland pm-10 amp. Is the simmons drum amp significantly better?
I think the Simmons SD200 is a much better amp, but I you like the headphone sound, an amp might never satisfy you haha
65 Drums Thanx for the reply. Im gonna try a yamaha dtx1200 in the store next week. I gues im gonna have to shoot big to get a sound that satisfies me.
@@65Drums I have this amp and it should like crap , I want my vdrums to sound like they do through headphones , any advice?
Great info man, actually I jumped last night for bargain on a Peavey KB100 amp, pretty similar to yours! How do you set it up?? I'm not sure if should connect it directly from the mono output of the module or maybe have a little mixer in between to refine the eq. My kit is a Yamaha DTXpress 4 Special v2.
I'd use a little mixer. EQ can dramatically increase the quality of your sound :)
Im running my module through a Harman-Karden receiver annd polk towers. 1/4 inch to rca adapter is required.
Thanks for this. I read and watched videos that said if you a guitar amp, the amp will break because of the frequency difference. I have a Roland cube 20x, for my guitar but I am worried if I use it, it will break with my drums. No, I cannot afford a keyboard or drum amp, so I am stuck with headphones. I was surprised when you said you can use a guitar amp for drums though.
Old home theatre stuff works great...it can be had for zilch dollars if you're struggling... Favorite selling site or curbside...good hunting
Down here hardly any store sell drum amps at all, so if you ask for one chances are they will offer you a keyboard amp or a PA instead. Of course the biggest downside of a keyboard amp is that most of of them are bigger and heavier than drum amps.
The piano has 88 keys which span the frequency range 27.5 Hz (A0) to 4186 Hz (C8) Peavey FTW
I’m running my drum kit through a peavey sp 2xt speaker my friend gave me. What do I need to do to get highs out of it? There’s like absolutely no treble. Do I need to add something? I was thinking of buying a separate eq to add to the kit.
amazing ur videos bro
+El Ziggy's WorldWide Thanks! I really appreciate it :)
Seems the keyboard amps aren't as inexpensive anymore. A comparable Roland amp for keys is actually 50 to 100.00 more than the drum monitor. Can something like a Klipsch Promedia 2.1 speaker system be used if not planning to use at full volume? I understand that it might be a short lived relationship.
By definition, cant a 12inch FRFR do both guitar and edrums?
Hi, i have an band, and we probably coming back playing this summer, and im the bass player of the band. But our drummer bought and EDrum, the rest of the band want me to buy a Subwoofer called: “Qsc ks118 3,600w 18” so we could both plug in our instruments, witch will be: eletric bass, and eletric drums, all at once.
Do you think that this won’t be bad for the amp? Or is it totally okay? And the amp won’t suffer any damage overtime at all? Thank you very much 🙏🏼
What about an studio monitor ?, It's a 220w. I'm new to elect drums and that's why I'm asking before I buy an amp when I could use what I have .
bro,how about vice versa? electric guitar on an edrum amp....would the amp be busted overtime? thanks
Thanks man
I’m a guitar player but I’ll probably never buy another strictly guitar amp. I use keyboard amps for EVERYTHING. guitar, PA, keyboard, Bass, everything.
The single best amp to use that's cheapish is the roland kc-60 its what I use and it pumps out crazy bass and volume but also has great range and tone.
Kool shirt!
what about studio monitors if the main use will be for recording and making beats? going to purchase the alesis nitro to get a basic drum set up but amps seem pricey
I used a fender guitar amp for my keyboard player in my band and it worked great. Do think it will work as well?
My first keyboard amp was a Fender Princeton Reverb, 100 watts with reverb and chorus. My organsounds were superb! here's a tip: Check out old Lab Series amps such as their K5 keyboard amp with akiller spring reverb tank, or their G5 guitar amp. Lab series was owned by Gibson. I loved my K5!
Is it harmful to the guitar amp to play an electronic kit through it?
My mustang Amp handles drums great !
so you can use computer speakers to amplify your electronic drums?
Please answer! I just want to try it out first
Justin I am looking for pc speakers for playing at home? Can you recommend any?