Ah. Okay, my excuse is that when you reach that scene, as far as you know, she's a teenager, since you only find out after the fight. Yeah, that works.
I'm pretty sure it was actually stated in MGS1 by Liquid, however it was retconned in MGS4 because of Naomi's explanation as you pointed out, but like I said I'm not 100% sure.
Just saw this on /r/Games. Nice video, loved the reference at the end. One small correction, Solid Snake's aging wasn't due to a defect in the cloning process. Snake's DNA was altered on purpose in order to protect the 'IP' per say, in case he was to ever switch sides. If someone tried to clone Solid Snake they would only have the defective DNA.
This just mare me fall in love with MG as a whole and having only played MGR as a toddler (I still remember playing it 11 years later and I MGR is the reason I love console gaming and Mortal Kombat which led I have to say led me to this wonderful channel and staying with this mad, in 2 ways, man and his rantings for years now.)
You know for a guy who’s named after a MGS character you don’t talk about Metal Gear much I really want to see more MGS contents from you since you’re one of my favorite RUclips channel
Everytime I want to introduce a friend to Metal Gear This is the video I send (And Dunkey's video) It's just such a detailed video and I appreciate the hell out of it (I actually bought the Legacy Collection recently and am finally getting to play some of the games I never got to play)
So, I'm curious when that MGSV critique will actually happen. You mentioned it in this video, but nothing has come in the almost 5 years since. Instead, it's just been Netherrealm stuff.
No. He sent solid snake to report false information because he expected him to fail. He succeeded and killed Venom which is why big boss went into hiding. I know man it's some convoluted shit.
Okay, It's under "English (United Kingdom)". It's mostly automated, but I had to go in and fix a few timings and sub the parts I made up during recording. I hope they're okay.
Great video but venom snake didn’t create outer heaven, big boss did, he just let Venom run it while he ran foxhound from America. Look at the ending blurb of phantom pain where it clearly differentiates big boss and his “phantom” in 1995.
The4thSnake sorry you’re right it is a minor point it’s just become a personal pet peeve of mine after having long drawn out arguments with people about how Venom didn’t establish outer heaven, some people believe venom ran foxhound and outer heaven until his death and big boss stayed underground until Zanzibar which isn’t true.
Okay hear me out Tenchu and metal gear happen in the same universe. •White haired ninja protag •Paul Eiding voices both Azuma Shiunsai and the Colonel •the protags get marked near or on their eye (big boss gets his shot, Rikimaru gets slashed, and Raiden gets slashed) •Both are old but solid Stealth adventure game series that serve as theatrical drama stories •when rikimaru goes to the future, he ends up battling "Mr. D CEO", a cyborg business executive, who runs a pharmaceutical that released a virus, killing many people. This Mr. D CEO has an exposed metal arm. Very metal gear if you ask me. I bet there are more similarities but those are the ones I noticed. Just a fun little theory
I don't know why, but I get the feeling 4th Snake isn't really fond of Mr. Hideo. Not that I blame him, though. Looking back, Kojima's writing is pretty hit or miss.
@Ultimate Hedgehog well duh no shit it's a prequel. But it's just like "wow, I've come so far with boss, too bad hes gonna die in the 4th game". Kinda bums me out
@Commander Dritz I managed to collect every canon Metal Gear game. The ones I believe I'm missing are: #1- Metal Gear: Ghost Babel for the GameBoy Color #2- The Metal Gear Acid games for the PSP #3- and finally Metal Gear Survive for the PS4 and Xbox One.
It would be interesting if cod and metal gear, kinda like the sea that happened kind of fringing on one another, definitely would make for an interesting gameplay that's for sure.. with zombies. and the backdrop of metal gear. With a few cameos. What is a metal gear type mission.
If you could choose one marvel character as a guest dlc character who and why would be ? I would include punisher to wear war machine armor, or be a venom punisher with the symbionts mixed the powers of ghost rider to punish and burn his victims, they could give him a captain America punisher skin
really good video. As a fan of MGS series this helped remember a lot things I may forgotten. I like MGSV but man Venom snake doesn't say much in cut scenes like tapes(Kaz and Ocelot sure talk a lot in those tapes along with Skull face) if wasn't for skull face torturing paz and chico and attacking XOF we wouldn't have gotten the Big Boss we know. Also we find out early AI stuff thanks to peace walker MGSV with Dr.StrangeLove and Vocal cord parasite causing zero to go crazy along with entrusting Zero Will aka The Boss Will(Zero, Big Boss and Skull Face all misinterpreted her will) to the AI whited causes the war economy later on.
I liked it overall, there's a few issues here and there and personally I preferred the tone and narrative of (don't panic) Peace Walker, which I found surprisingly engaging. The actual twist in MGS V is extremely well foreshadowed and serves a purpose to the plots of the MSX games and ties the series as a whole together. Like I said, there's some issues but it wasn't really awful. A lot of the problems could well be accounted to budgetary and time constraints towards the end of development, hence the abrupt ending.
@@CKT1138 I haven't finished the phantom pain yet but I had the twist spoiled and well how bad can it be? From what I've heard it sounds interesting and I wanna know what the fuck is happening. I'll have to wait and see it in-game
This is goooood shit, as someone that has little to no idea about the MGS series (cuz I'm stuck with an Xbox 360) this has helped me to understand this series, giving me a good reason to get details (a.k.a buy the games)
I've never got my head round the fact that Solidus Snake was apparently created in 1972 after Solid & Liquid, but appears older than both of them based on his appearance in MGS2. Plus, being created in 1972 makes him 33 in 2005 when he is US President, which would make him the youngest president in history - but he looks like a guys in his 50's? Maybe he aged rapidly sooner than Solid, despite being a more perfect clone of Big Boss than Snake. Then again, maybe its all a load of crap that Kojima made up as he went along!!!!
Good job! Though I would have preferred that you elaborate on some events. Like what was SOP and why was it created or how Boss went into space etc. I understand of course. It's a timeline not a story summary. Could you cover Castlevania and Resident Evil next (after 3d dlc)?
Thanks. I do wish I'd elaborated on some things, like how we know when Snake died or when Big Boss was born, but these videos are always super lengthy, so I didn't have room for them. I'm planning to cover those two some time in the future. I'm waiting for Vendetta and Not A Hero to come out for RE, and Castlevania will come some time next year, since the rest of this year is fully booked.
I know this is a year old but if you'd still like to know, SOP was a system put in place by the Patriots to have complete control of the battlefield by suppressing emotions, ID locking guns, and such. Snake dies about a year after MGS4 with a smile on his face, after spending what remained of his life crossing off a bucket list and traveling the world with Otacon and Sunny. Edit: Also The Boss went into space as part of a dangerous NASA project she subjected herself to, and was kept completely wiped from any records of such.
Not gonna lie I'm still confused... all this time I thought it was separate timelines or something and the reason why was because I was a kid when I played my first metal gear solid game. I played snake eater and remembered ocelot being young and then I played phantom pain and thought it was a different ocelot but I was wrong apparently...
Another reason I was confused is because the release dates of the games and the fact that it's a lot like star wars in terms of in game dates... what I mean by this is that star wars episode IV was actually the first one but just took place further ahead in that timeline.
wouldn't metal gear 5 also explain why we had so many body doubles for big boss? like the one we thought was killed somewhere half way through 4 (the skeletal guy in the bag) but then big boss appears later completely fine.
The4thSnake nope. there is one thing I need to tell you, there is gonna be a live action metal gear movie based on metal gear solid's shadow Moses so the series is continuing in a ways.
What if Cobra was really just a secret part of G.I. Joe, that the active members of G.I. Joe don't know about? Hm...That would be somethin', wouldn't it?
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Two things will always be misinterpreted...
1.) Latin
2.) The Boss's damn will
the nerd on this post is so thick. /respect.
Fun fact: The philosophers were formed in 1918, and MGR:R takes place in 2018.
The series takes place exactly over 100 years
"You guys are misinterpreting Kojima's will. Heh. How meta."
I'm weak...Done...You sir...win!
As a diehard Metal Gear fan, 9:00-9:30 is the hardest I've laughed in a loooong time. Thank you.
My brain just exploded I understood mgs4 but that just was too much info in a short period of time
In Paz's diary entries in MGS Peace Walker she says she's in her 20's. Good video though!
Ah. Okay, my excuse is that when you reach that scene, as far as you know, she's a teenager, since you only find out after the fight. Yeah, that works.
I'm pretty sure you get access to her diary entries before she hijacks Zeke :P I don't blame you though, listening to logs is super tedious.
I just realised that Paz is 60 years old this year
@@milkypie4812 Is she alive still?
@@filipeflower No. She died at the end of Ground Zeroes.
"A defect in the cloning process." According to who? Niomi explicitly states (in MGS4) that his accelerated ageing was by design. It's not a defect.
I know. I don't recall where I heard that, but that's what I thought it was at the time.
I'm pretty sure it was actually stated in MGS1 by Liquid, however it was retconned in MGS4 because of Naomi's explanation as you pointed out, but like I said I'm not 100% sure.
Just saw this on /r/Games. Nice video, loved the reference at the end. One small correction, Solid Snake's aging wasn't due to a defect in the cloning process. Snake's DNA was altered on purpose in order to protect the 'IP' per say, in case he was to ever switch sides. If someone tried to clone Solid Snake they would only have the defective DNA.
You're right. Damn. I forget if that was always a thing, or one of the retcons from MGS4.
I think Naomi tells Snake in MGS4 Act 2, at the same time she tells him about FOXDIE.
This just mare me fall in love with MG as a whole and having only played MGR as a toddler (I still remember playing it 11 years later and I MGR is the reason I love console gaming and Mortal Kombat which led I have to say led me to this wonderful channel and staying with this mad, in 2 ways, man and his rantings for years now.)
22:04 Ohhh men, I've had such a good mood today and you ruin this, now Im crying....
I apologise.
he isn't dead it isn't confirmed but kojima left konami so yeah i assume he died of old age
I did not expect that those words will hit me as hard. But they did.
God why
You good there handsome jack?
You know for a guy who’s named after a MGS character you don’t talk about Metal Gear much I really want to see more MGS contents from you since you’re one of my favorite RUclips channel
Oh I cannot wait for that Phantom Pain episode and good line about Tekken 7's story basically being a 3 hour prologue for 8's
Before Colonial Marines, Michael Biehn was Rex Power Colt, in the far better Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
Demitrius Covington legendary game
Everytime I want to introduce a friend to Metal Gear
This is the video I send (And Dunkey's video)
It's just such a detailed video and I appreciate the hell out of it
(I actually bought the Legacy Collection recently and am finally getting to play some of the games I never got to play)
So, I'm curious when that MGSV critique will actually happen. You mentioned it in this video, but nothing has come in the almost 5 years since.
Instead, it's just been Netherrealm stuff.
Damn love your timeline break down one of the best I've seen
My question is: did Big Boss set up Venom Snake for killing? "Sooner or later there can be only one Big Boss" - Ocelot.
No. He sent solid snake to report false information because he expected him to fail. He succeeded and killed Venom which is why big boss went into hiding.
I know man it's some convoluted shit.
R.I.P Metal gear solid
Big Loss, indeed.
I'm deaf. Can you please upload your script into the caption tool?
Okay, It's under "English (United Kingdom)". It's mostly automated, but I had to go in and fix a few timings and sub the parts I made up during recording. I hope they're okay.
@@boninibanana9399 like not being able to hear
If your deaf, how did you type this? 😱😎😏👉🍆👌🍕🍕🍕🐍
Herbert Moon he can’t hear but see
@@herbertmoon2969 r/facepalm
Great video but venom snake didn’t create outer heaven, big boss did, he just let Venom run it while he ran foxhound from America. Look at the ending blurb of phantom pain where it clearly differentiates big boss and his “phantom” in 1995.
I feel like that's a minor point overall, but I guess you're right.
The4thSnake sorry you’re right it is a minor point it’s just become a personal pet peeve of mine after having long drawn out arguments with people about how Venom didn’t establish outer heaven, some people believe venom ran foxhound and outer heaven until his death and big boss stayed underground until Zanzibar which isn’t true.
Ah, okay, don't worry about it. I hope the video was fine, aside from that.
I've been surfing through all of these MG story summary videos on youtube, and this is by far the best one
I am a huge metal gear solid fan and yeah I can actually admit the timeline in itself does get kinda confusing
Well thats what happens with the huge franchise like this keeping some details hidden.
@@cactusmalone true and you’re right about that
Paz was actually like 26
Okay hear me out
Tenchu and metal gear happen in the same universe.
•White haired ninja protag
•Paul Eiding voices both Azuma Shiunsai and the Colonel
•the protags get marked near or on their eye (big boss gets his shot, Rikimaru gets slashed, and Raiden gets slashed)
•Both are old but solid Stealth adventure game series that serve as theatrical drama stories
•when rikimaru goes to the future, he ends up battling "Mr. D CEO", a cyborg business executive, who runs a pharmaceutical that released a virus, killing many people. This Mr. D CEO has an exposed metal arm. Very metal gear if you ask me.
I bet there are more similarities but those are the ones I noticed. Just a fun little theory
the ending part is the best xD
13:37 fucking This. bought time somebody had the balls to call out the over-hyped coming mess that is death stranding
Fking Nanomachines, SON!
Kept us waiting huh
really liked the video. great work !
Thank you.
This might be the story with more plot holes in history.
I love the Ac!d games and the stories work perfectly as a Gaiden series (even if 100% non-canon)
Infact I would do alot of dark shit to get an Ac!d 3
Snake always kept us waiting
It's a little funny (albeit appreciated) that you'd do a timeline video on a series that does this itself after every credits sequence.
Damn, man. Why you gotta be so right?
I don't know why, but I get the feeling 4th Snake isn't really fond of Mr. Hideo.
Not that I blame him, though. Looking back, Kojima's writing is pretty hit or miss.
I like how raiden finished the timeline even though he was the most hated character in mgs2
I think Emma was the most hated.
No he wasn't well at the time of mgs2 I guess but he later became one of fans favorites
David could have lived past 2015, you never know.
Holy shit dude thanks for making this
Bro.. Decaf.. I love this video. Thank you for the awesome timeline.
That cliffhanger at the end 🔥
This would’ve made a great novel series
11:19 Butt > bladewolf
Classic.
coming back to this video did he ever do a phantom pain critque or does he sitll plan to?
Probably not a critique. I want to do a Wasted Plotential, but my motivation is low.
@@The4thSnake that's understandable snake my reply is couple months late so i'm sorry for that
I fucking lost it when he said solid snake dies in 2015...
It's sad playing mgs5 after playing all the other games cause you know where everyone is going to end up.
@Ultimate Hedgehog well duh no shit it's a prequel.
But it's just like "wow, I've come so far with boss, too bad hes gonna die in the 4th game". Kinda bums me out
@Commander Dritz Why not?
@Commander Dritz Why don't you want the old Metal Gear games remastered?
@Commander Dritz Oh, I thought you said you don't want those. My bad.
@Commander Dritz I managed to collect every canon Metal Gear game. The ones I believe I'm missing are:
#1- Metal Gear: Ghost Babel for the GameBoy Color
#2- The Metal Gear Acid games for the PSP
#3- and finally Metal Gear Survive for the PS4 and Xbox One.
It would be interesting if cod and metal gear, kinda like the sea that happened kind of fringing on one another, definitely would make for an interesting gameplay that's for sure.. with zombies. and the backdrop of metal gear. With a few cameos. What is a metal gear type mission.
If you could choose one marvel character as a guest dlc character who and why would be ?
I would include punisher to wear war machine armor, or be a venom punisher with the symbionts mixed the powers of ghost rider to punish and burn his victims, they could give him a captain America punisher skin
So Sean Connery was the 1st and original face of big boss isn't that something James Bond.
Solid Snake came out of retirement in Feb-28-03 so in other world Snake came out of retirement on my 15th birthday
Forgot to mention that Frank Jaeger killed Naomi’s parents and then adopted her out of guilt
Where is it stated that solid died in 2015? Just curious.
Well, he's only got a year left at most, according to... I think, Snake himself in 4.
@@The4thSnake oooh the tombstone part in the end.. yeah yeah good call. But with kojima who knows if he nanomachines his way out of this as well. 😂
Nah, his soul is in a wooden sword by 2018, apparently.
I'm still pissed about the MGS 3 Pachinko Machine deal.
Closer then wat I had
Sooooo that was Venom Snake as Big Boss in Metal Gear for the MSX and not Naked Snake as Big Boss..... huh.....
That's right.
really good video. As a fan of MGS series this helped remember a lot things I may forgotten. I like MGSV but man Venom snake doesn't say much in cut scenes like tapes(Kaz and Ocelot sure talk a lot in those tapes along with Skull face) if wasn't for skull face torturing paz and chico and attacking XOF we wouldn't have gotten the Big Boss we know. Also we find out early AI stuff thanks to peace walker MGSV with Dr.StrangeLove and Vocal cord parasite causing zero to go crazy along with entrusting Zero Will aka The Boss Will(Zero, Big Boss and Skull Face all misinterpreted her will) to the AI whited causes the war economy later on.
Thank you.
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You missed something.
The best explanation of the mgs story ever . even tho i couldn't keep up
I'm 50/50 on MGSV's story but to each their own
I liked it overall, there's a few issues here and there and personally I preferred the tone and narrative of (don't panic) Peace Walker, which I found surprisingly engaging.
The actual twist in MGS V is extremely well foreshadowed and serves a purpose to the plots of the MSX games and ties the series as a whole together.
Like I said, there's some issues but it wasn't really awful. A lot of the problems could well be accounted to budgetary and time constraints towards the end of development, hence the abrupt ending.
@@CKT1138 I haven't finished the phantom pain yet but I had the twist spoiled and well how bad can it be? From what I've heard it sounds interesting and I wanna know what the fuck is happening. I'll have to wait and see it in-game
Whats the name of the music your playing
that was pretty well made. kinda makes me wanna get off my lazy ass and play both MGS5 games.
But there bringing back a new clone of big boss...right??
This is goooood shit, as someone that has little to no idea about the MGS series (cuz I'm stuck with an Xbox 360) this has helped me to understand this series, giving me a good reason to get details (a.k.a buy the games)
Mgs 2, 3, 5, and peace walker are all available on 360
Wish you went into detail about huey and loveheart, the betrayal up to hal and his sister-in-law. Either way good video.
Thank you. That stuff isn't all that relevant to the main plot, really. It's good stuff aside from the suddenness and vagueness of the betrayal.
I've never got my head round the fact that Solidus Snake was apparently created in 1972 after Solid & Liquid, but appears older than both of them based on his appearance in MGS2. Plus, being created in 1972 makes him 33 in 2005 when he is US President, which would make him the youngest president in history - but he looks like a guys in his 50's? Maybe he aged rapidly sooner than Solid, despite being a more perfect clone of Big Boss than Snake. Then again, maybe its all a load of crap that Kojima made up as he went along!!!!
Nice touch with the last part
Hey what do of a metal gear solid movie
So... "Portable Ops IS cannon Miskonceptions" when?
Good job! Though I would have preferred that you elaborate on some events. Like what was SOP and why was it created or how Boss went into space etc. I understand of course. It's a timeline not a story summary. Could you cover Castlevania and Resident Evil next (after 3d dlc)?
Thanks. I do wish I'd elaborated on some things, like how we know when Snake died or when Big Boss was born, but these videos are always super lengthy, so I didn't have room for them.
I'm planning to cover those two some time in the future. I'm waiting for Vendetta and Not A Hero to come out for RE, and Castlevania will come some time next year, since the rest of this year is fully booked.
I know this is a year old but if you'd still like to know, SOP was a system put in place by the Patriots to have complete control of the battlefield by suppressing emotions, ID locking guns, and such. Snake dies about a year after MGS4 with a smile on his face, after spending what remained of his life crossing off a bucket list and traveling the world with Otacon and Sunny.
Edit: Also The Boss went into space as part of a dangerous NASA project she subjected herself to, and was kept completely wiped from any records of such.
Paz is 24 in Peace Walker. Born 1950. Lol so not a teenager.
Not gonna lie I'm still confused... all this time I thought it was separate timelines or something and the reason why was because I was a kid when I played my first metal gear solid game. I played snake eater and remembered ocelot being young and then I played phantom pain and thought it was a different ocelot but I was wrong apparently...
Another reason I was confused is because the release dates of the games and the fact that it's a lot like star wars in terms of in game dates... what I mean by this is that star wars episode IV was actually the first one but just took place further ahead in that timeline.
We found the truth he loves mk 2011
The thing I found most surprising is that snake died of old age.
*visible confusion*
It just feels wrong hearing „solid snake died...“ . xD
wouldn't metal gear 5 also explain why we had so many body doubles for big boss? like the one we thought was killed somewhere half way through 4 (the skeletal guy in the bag) but then big boss appears later completely fine.
That was Solidus.
10:04 "Professor" stated in the beginning of game that Paz is 16
I think he just might joke about Japan
I feel like you left out some of the Huey stuff
Anybody here wants to join the Metal Gear Community in Discord?
Yes
The wiki doesn't say when solid snake dies
Revengence final boss is literally IRS from WWF in like 1992
Its kinda funny that i'm watching this for the first time and that death stranding trailer was revealed yesterday lol
10:48 Thank you so much.
Soooooo we only paly as The "REAL" snake (naked snake) in 2 games? MGS3 and Ground zeros? the rest are all clones?
No, Portable Ops and Peace Walker too.
@@The4thSnake yeah you're right, and honestly I didn't knew that.
but I meant big titles, and if you think about it, it's only MGS3.
Peace Walker is considered a main entry. Was even going to be called MGS5 originally.
@@The4thSnake really! I didn't knew that either.
Thanks dude, I think I'm gonna give it a shot.
Which game says Solid Snake died?
i think it's 4?
My brain is going to explode
And that.........NO. TRAITOR!
When will there be a wiasted potential trilogy on metal gear
Bridge jokes on point.
I love metal gear solid revengence and I thought it was amazing
So big boss, send solid snake, to kill venom snake, but was a trap to kill solid snake? I dont get what solid snake won at the end
It's almost like this retcon was a bad idea or something.
Awesome video!
Thank you. There's plenty more where that came from.
What the hell is going on in this storyline
Edit: I wrote that after the entire timeline explanation and I still don’t know what the fuck is going on
Those Abridged inclusions, though...
Why is solidus older than solid and liquid if he was created last?
Because he was given even more accelerated aging genes to look exactly like big boss even at a young age.
@@RadinV1 thanks
Oh my goodness... How many... How many "Snakes" were there??? The lore... The lore... ARGHHHH!!! I DON'T UNDERSTAND!! How is this so confusing????
Naked, Venom, Solid, Liquid, Solidus, "Snake" (Raiden). Acid also has a "Snake", who is a non-canon clone of Solid.
dude i know right! like what the hell! even i was fucking confused by Metal Gear's Timeline Still Am Too
Anything I can do to help?
The4thSnake nope. there is one thing I need to tell you, there is gonna be a live action metal gear movie based on metal gear solid's shadow Moses so the series is continuing in a ways.
I feel like Snakes Revenge dont get love in the main story either... dont forget all the mobile phone games haha.
What if Cobra was really just a secret part of G.I. Joe, that the active members of G.I. Joe don't know about? Hm...That would be somethin', wouldn't it?
Shawnee Longbow Which cobra the shitty Stallone movie?
Punished snake is the big boss you kill in mg 1
best video ending ever !
Just saying that the Big Boss in Mg1 is Venom snake and the big boss in mg2 is naked snake
Setsuna Maddison and basically solid snake kills “us” and even more technically we controlling solid snake kill “ourself” lol
People say that Chris Redfield getting all buffed up in RE5 was weird, but Solid Snake turning into Arnie is even weirder.
Damn this is a sad story.