Naoki urasawa, is the author and he is one of the luckiest mangakas to get 3 anime with fantastic adaptations, master keaton, monster and now pluto, now it's time for his other 2 masterpieces called 20th century boys and billy bat, to get an anime as well, the anime community will freak out, if it's done right 😭
Honestly I don’t agree with you for a majority of these takes you have. It honestly feels like your trying to separate yourself from connecting to these characters and the pacing was great for me I don’t know a lot of your negativity takes just doesn’t make much sense to me
The episode with North-2, is probably one of the most relevant and timely shows to come out right now, since every channel about the creative arts has done at least one to two vlogs with hundreds of people chiming in on the topic of AI and art. It's solid, well done science fiction, which to be honest we really don't get a lot of, or enough of in media.
I don't know about that, the kind of predictive large language models and their artistic equivalents aren't AI in the sense that this show tackles (they're only called that as a branding shorthand), there's something entirely different going on there. It certainly raises questions that are relevant, but the exploration of one doesn't tell us much about the other.
I dont really understand some of your critiques. With the “you didnt like geschik until he Got involves with atom” and keep mentioning the second half. That moment happened in episode 2. And it is really funny how you dont like the Series getting “preachy” despite, especially now it being really relevant and the way it puts it is so mature. And i absolutely hate actual preachy shows, basically more than anything. But this Series really delves into how humanity and perfection itself are imperfection. Humans have hatred, make mistakes, make up lies, are selfish. The fact that robots Can become humans, with all the good parts and no good parts. But to achieve perfection, you need the negativity, but it Can either ruin or strengthen you.
I respect your opinion nonetheless, everyone will always have different takes on what they love and hate, but in my personal opinion, pluto is at least top 3 anime of the year in 2023,studio m2 went crazy with the adaptation in my opinion, also the English dub was fantastic as well😊
Pluto is like a really good science fiction story as opposed to an action/adventure story with a sci-fi veneer which most people consider sci-fi to be. As a result you're going to have a lot of opinions of people who feel that it moves too slowly, or that it's too preachy.
This is everything I want out of a anime. I loved and admired every bit of the story and of course the animation, plus the use of cgi. This was the highlight of the season for me. Hopefully more of Urazawa’s works get adapted and given the same kino treatment.
I personally love the fact that the subject of this show was that the core element for life is trauma and suffering. Or at least, it poses the question if suffering and true life experience are inseperable.
As an anime only, I believed this lived up to the hype, but if I'm gonna be completely accurate, the ending wasn't bad, it was just generic asf, but PLUTO overall it was a masterpiece, not to mention, this show had the balls to kill off the protagonist much earlier, I've never seen an anime do that lol
How is it generic? What? That's how this arc actually ended in the original manga. The thing is they suddenly didn't realise. Oh hate is bad or something. No instead they actually overcome it. Gesicht especially overcome it. When he dies, he feels extreme hatred. But he overcame this hatred with the love he felt toward his loved ones like his wife and his dead child. The care and responsibility to protect his child he felt toward Ali like Ali is his kid and the sadness, pain he felt toward Ali's death then shame and disappointment toward world and how it's hatred led this destruction. Lastly, he felt happiness for his life he led to before his death. That's what changed atom's view not because someone says that hatred is bad instead it is because he himself experiences that with gesicht's memories which make him awake. Also what did you think this ending should be? Not like this? I am not saying the ending on its own is unique. But the story which led to this ending makes this ending great and perfect.
@@guesta9822atom also dies in the middle of the story at least and he is not present for long time. And anyway, gesicht is the main protagonist of this one. It is mostly focused on him.
It had to be "generic" because it's based on astroboy. At the end the hero saves the day. It's that kind of manga. I think people obsess too much on plot elements being surprising or original. Sometimes it's fine to have a simple story that's well executed. That's why I loved edgerunners so much.
This show was great. At first I didn’t realize it had any connection with Astro boy until the introduction of Tenma. I went into this totally blind and the realization felt rewarding for me lol Especially realizing it was from the creators of Monster, when they reintroduced the same looking characters. Like the old bald guy with the mustache.
To be fair, this was Monster's story-telling style as well. Urasawa contrasts most contemporary anime by taking his time with the drama and side-stories. In fact, Monster was even longer than Pluto and contextualized minor characters that you could see a modern-day showrunners go "yeah, that's nice, you can remove 30% of this and it would be fine." I'd argue Pluto is more of a crime drama that has action-adventure elements, and comes from a completely different era in manga that prided itself on these sorts of novellas or hypothetical characters with their own small dramas that reflected the overarching core themes in some way.
I finished the entire series last night and I feel about the same, though I did still enjoy it a lot. If you look at the original trailers you can tell some scenes were cut and with this taking 6 years to make, I am pretty sure there were some production problems.
There was some interesting stuff missing from the anime. The fact that robots were not supposed to be able to lie was mentioned a bit more often and early, which made Brando an interesting character as before his death, he suddenly starts lying to his family as well as his handlers in order to prepare for his fight an potential death with Pluto. All of the greatest robots break the laws of robotics in strange and subtle ways, that does not get focused on because the 'killing humans' thing is so much more drastic. Also, Pluto is not an action series, it is a drama, and as you said the characters are the primary focus. The manga did most of it's action and combat off panel as well, leaving people with only the aftermath and a moment to mourn the dead.
It's not a good action show because it's a mystery show. The author only writes mystery and the only reason you have action in this one is because it involves powerful robots from astroboy.
I don't agree with it "picking up quicker". That is basically forcing an Urusawa story to not be Urusawa. With will lose a partcular feel to it. Another sample is the recent Blade Runner movie several years ago. Yes the story could be told with a slimmer cut version. But it loses the Blade Runner feel if they will cut the movie down to a more standard movie runtime. another problem with the notion of slimming down pluto's narrative is of course people who are fans of the manga will obviously notice that a lot of pages will ended up on the cutting room or cut down to an simplified version. I am more glad they are actually given sufficient amount of runtime to not ending up having to cut content to make the source material to fit the anime mold, which sadly most anime nowadays don't really get and that is why "cut content" videos is a thing in youtube for a lot of anime. A clear sign that people do in fact find the minute things being cut still worth telling and knowing.
Imo, objectively, Frieren is better than Pluto, as long as fans take off their nostalgia tinted glasses. What Frieren does best is that it doesn't preach its messages, and it has tons of them.
I respect ur take but definitely think so far Pluto is one of the best shows I have watched in years now there is some bias since I’m a fan of urasawas work but let’s be real there’s a reason for it
Worth the hype? Fucking yes. Of course. It’s incredible. It is a masterpiece. I put it on the same level of quality as Attack on Titan and JoJos Bizarre Adventure. It is definitely anime of the year (even if I’ve only watched MHA, Dr Stone and Demon Slayer). Your comments about two characters being integral and then disappearing is too vague to give an explanation on.
9:54 rewatching this review - isn't that commonplace in most dramas outside of anime? I feel like modern anime has simplified far too much in its presentation that it would make things like Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul seem "confused" and "jumping around" in terms of stories. Naoki Urasawa's (and other oldschool mangaka like Makoto Yukimura) more traditional writing seems to highlight what's been lost over the years...
I have my issues but I think the story itself is genuinely fantastic. My main gripe is (spoilers below) they could've hyped up the teddy bear asshole a little more. The reveal in episode 8 was a bit out of nowhere but upon my second re-watch I'm noticing minor clues about it. Not enough to make the reveal worth it though. I'm still trying to piece it together in my head lol. I'm gonna read the manga next and see what they missed. Kinda wish that Abullah/Goji was the main villain I didn't really see the need to involve Thracia randomly too. I feel like I missed an episode in a way.
Why do you pronounce Gesicht name as some slavic name? I liked your review, but couldn't stopped laughing each time I heard that pronunciation 😂 It's based on the German word and sounds very different. (In English dubbed version of anime actual pronunciation correct)
Great video. I read the manga and I think a lot of your negatives lended themselves better to the manga which for better or worse - this is a full and true to form adaption. Not everyone likes the pace but I personally do. Also, you haven’t done Monster yet? Pluto is great but Monster is arguably a stronger outing.
Urasawa is a beast and this is one of my favorite manga. This adaptation was done very well and stayed very true to the source material. I enjoyed listening to your opinions despite the fact that they were a bit overly harsh, but I don’t discount them at all. Everybody has their own opinions and I encourage everyone to go and watch it theirselves and form your own opinions whether you like it or not, it’s definitely worth the time. A anime adaptation of this quality for 20th Century Boys would flip the anime community on its head. One thing I have always said is that Urasawa has this writing style that breaks the norm for anime. Urasawa writes these stories that would be good even if they weren’t anime/manga at all. Urasawa writes stories that would be interesting for people that don’t even watch anime at all. So I think that having more of his works properly adapted to anime would introduce new people to the anime community and I think that is a beautiful thing.
I've never been a fam of the whole "robots have emotions too" subject. Unless they're cyborgs or they had actual human souls put into them, they're just machines. Souls are more than just data. I've never budged on that opinion, and I don't even like entertaining the subject. Also the fact the action and ending sound weak, doesn't make the show appealing to me at all. Thanks for the perspective, I think I'll pass on this show!
Is this stance coming from a religious perspective? Purely asking from curiosity, I don't intend to try to change your mind either way, your position is perfectly reasonable.
@@thegrandwombat8797not op but I agree with their take tbh. AI does what it's programmed to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if we got it to the point that it convincingly simulated emotions, it's still all just ones and zeros at the end of the day. Computers do not understand things, they just return appropriate responses based on the programming instructions input by humans. Cramming loads of information into an artificial processing unit along with conditional programming does not a sentient being make. To put it more simply. Humans (and other living beings to a lesser extent) have an innate capacity to process information and learn without being told how to do so. Machines have to be provided information and also the instructions on how to interpret or process it, and no matter how far down the road a human programs conditional logic for them, it's still external and not something that comes naturally.
It is mostly an intellect insulting storyline after episode 1. Anime, cartoons are supposed to have tons of action. Never giving but glimpses of gore or the evils that are supposed to be depicted more convincingly. This is just middle-aged robots having never ending chats. Terrible direction. Terrible animation and cheap cgi and backgrounds everywhere.
Naoki urasawa, is the author and he is one of the luckiest mangakas to get 3 anime with fantastic adaptations, master keaton, monster and now pluto, now it's time for his other 2 masterpieces called 20th century boys and billy bat, to get an anime as well, the anime community will freak out, if it's done right 😭
He got Yawara too adapted.
@@peterstrianus1790 yea that too
Honestly I don’t agree with you for a majority of these takes you have. It honestly feels like your trying to separate yourself from connecting to these characters and the pacing was great for me I don’t know a lot of your negativity takes just doesn’t make much sense to me
I feel like he dismissed characters feelings because they were robots which made him less invested in them
The episode with North-2, is probably one of the most relevant and timely shows to come out right now, since every channel about the creative arts has done at least one to two vlogs with hundreds of people chiming in on the topic of AI and art. It's solid, well done science fiction, which to be honest we really don't get a lot of, or enough of in media.
I don't know about that, the kind of predictive large language models and their artistic equivalents aren't AI in the sense that this show tackles (they're only called that as a branding shorthand), there's something entirely different going on there. It certainly raises questions that are relevant, but the exploration of one doesn't tell us much about the other.
I enjoyed it quite a lot. Monster is one of my favorites, so I was really looking forward to getting into this one.
I dont really understand some of your critiques. With the “you didnt like geschik until he Got involves with atom” and keep mentioning the second half. That moment happened in episode 2. And it is really funny how you dont like the Series getting “preachy” despite, especially now it being really relevant and the way it puts it is so mature. And i absolutely hate actual preachy shows, basically more than anything. But this Series really delves into how humanity and perfection itself are imperfection. Humans have hatred, make mistakes, make up lies, are selfish. The fact that robots Can become humans, with all the good parts and no good parts. But to achieve perfection, you need the negativity, but it Can either ruin or strengthen you.
I respect your opinion nonetheless, everyone will always have different takes on what they love and hate, but in my personal opinion, pluto is at least top 3 anime of the year in 2023,studio m2 went crazy with the adaptation in my opinion, also the English dub was fantastic as well😊
Pluto is like a really good science fiction story as opposed to an action/adventure story with a sci-fi veneer which most people consider sci-fi to be. As a result you're going to have a lot of opinions of people who feel that it moves too slowly, or that it's too preachy.
He's right, the show was pretty preachy, which is pretty a outdated method of storytelling
@@sleepylion9788 he's not exactly right, the anime received positive reviews lol
This is everything I want out of a anime. I loved and admired every bit of the story and of course the animation, plus the use of cgi. This was the highlight of the season for me. Hopefully more of Urazawa’s works get adapted and given the same kino treatment.
I personally love the fact that the subject of this show was that the core element for life is trauma and suffering. Or at least, it poses the question if suffering and true life experience are inseperable.
As an anime only, I believed this lived up to the hype, but if I'm gonna be completely accurate, the ending wasn't bad, it was just generic asf, but PLUTO overall it was a masterpiece, not to mention, this show had the balls to kill off the protagonist much earlier, I've never seen an anime do that lol
I mean, atom/ astro was always the OG protagonist of the franchise. That’s why the other protagonist died.
How is it generic? What? That's how this arc actually ended in the original manga.
The thing is they suddenly didn't realise. Oh hate is bad or something. No instead they actually overcome it. Gesicht especially overcome it.
When he dies, he feels extreme hatred. But he overcame this hatred with the love he felt toward his loved ones like his wife and his dead child. The care and responsibility to protect his child he felt toward Ali like Ali is his kid and the sadness, pain he felt toward Ali's death then shame and disappointment toward world and how it's hatred led this destruction. Lastly, he felt happiness for his life he led to before his death.
That's what changed atom's view not because someone says that hatred is bad instead it is because he himself experiences that with gesicht's memories which make him awake.
Also what did you think this ending should be? Not like this? I am not saying the ending on its own is unique. But the story which led to this ending makes this ending great and perfect.
@@guesta9822atom also dies in the middle of the story at least and he is not present for long time. And anyway, gesicht is the main protagonist of this one. It is mostly focused on him.
@@HerMi.T atom didn’t really die tho. His body was not smash to bits like the others.
It had to be "generic" because it's based on astroboy. At the end the hero saves the day. It's that kind of manga. I think people obsess too much on plot elements being surprising or original. Sometimes it's fine to have a simple story that's well executed. That's why I loved edgerunners so much.
This is my aots and my AOTY atm.
This show was great. At first I didn’t realize it had any connection with Astro boy until the introduction of Tenma. I went into this totally blind and the realization felt rewarding for me lol
Especially realizing it was from the creators of Monster, when they reintroduced the same looking characters. Like the old bald guy with the mustache.
To be fair, this was Monster's story-telling style as well. Urasawa contrasts most contemporary anime by taking his time with the drama and side-stories. In fact, Monster was even longer than Pluto and contextualized minor characters that you could see a modern-day showrunners go "yeah, that's nice, you can remove 30% of this and it would be fine." I'd argue Pluto is more of a crime drama that has action-adventure elements, and comes from a completely different era in manga that prided itself on these sorts of novellas or hypothetical characters with their own small dramas that reflected the overarching core themes in some way.
I finished the entire series last night and I feel about the same, though I did still enjoy it a lot. If you look at the original trailers you can tell some scenes were cut and with this taking 6 years to make, I am pretty sure there were some production problems.
It is literally the same as manga. Nothing changed. And Pluto is like a monster is a slow and masterful show. What it does, it does it perfectly.
@@HerMi.T Well, Monster did it better.
There was some interesting stuff missing from the anime.
The fact that robots were not supposed to be able to lie was mentioned a bit more often and early, which made Brando an interesting character as before his death, he suddenly starts lying to his family as well as his handlers in order to prepare for his fight an potential death with Pluto. All of the greatest robots break the laws of robotics in strange and subtle ways, that does not get focused on because the 'killing humans' thing is so much more drastic.
Also, Pluto is not an action series, it is a drama, and as you said the characters are the primary focus. The manga did most of it's action and combat off panel as well, leaving people with only the aftermath and a moment to mourn the dead.
It's not a good action show because it's a mystery show. The author only writes mystery and the only reason you have action in this one is because it involves powerful robots from astroboy.
I'm surprised this guy allowed comments and he's not crying
I don't agree with it "picking up quicker". That is basically forcing an Urusawa story to not be Urusawa. With will lose a partcular feel to it. Another sample is the recent Blade Runner movie several years ago. Yes the story could be told with a slimmer cut version. But it loses the Blade Runner feel if they will cut the movie down to a more standard movie runtime.
another problem with the notion of slimming down pluto's narrative is of course people who are fans of the manga will obviously notice that a lot of pages will ended up on the cutting room or cut down to an simplified version.
I am more glad they are actually given sufficient amount of runtime to not ending up having to cut content to make the source material to fit the anime mold, which sadly most anime nowadays don't really get and that is why "cut content" videos is a thing in youtube for a lot of anime. A clear sign that people do in fact find the minute things being cut still worth telling and knowing.
thank you, i thought i was the only one who was not absolutely floored by it
I'd say it's easily top 3 anime of the year. To be honest it'll probably be Frieren and Apothecary Diaries battling it out for third
In my humble opinion
1. Vinland saga s2
2. Link click s2
3. Pluto
4. Frieren
5. Bleach tybw cour 2
Imo, objectively, Frieren is better than Pluto, as long as fans take off their nostalgia tinted glasses. What Frieren does best is that it doesn't preach its messages, and it has tons of them.
@@sleepylion9788 Heh, I disagree but respect your take, just wanted to point out that "IMO" and "objectively" shouldn't exist in the same sentence 😜
I was already planing to watch this but now im more hyped
If I was to give you some advice for your videos it would be to stop talking so much about the plot. That's not what we are here for.
Honest review😊😊
I respect ur take but definitely think so far Pluto is one of the best shows I have watched in years now there is some bias since I’m a fan of urasawas work but let’s be real there’s a reason for it
This series is not really an action series but a sci-fi murder mystery.
Now, I'll be waiting for 20th century boys.
Worth the hype? Fucking yes. Of course. It’s incredible. It is a masterpiece. I put it on the same level of quality as Attack on Titan and JoJos Bizarre Adventure. It is definitely anime of the year (even if I’ve only watched MHA, Dr Stone and Demon Slayer). Your comments about two characters being integral and then disappearing is too vague to give an explanation on.
It was mixed for me too. I found it frustrating more so.
Of course 😂it deserves the hype what type of question is that it’s a amazing series
9:54 rewatching this review - isn't that commonplace in most dramas outside of anime? I feel like modern anime has simplified far too much in its presentation that it would make things like Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul seem "confused" and "jumping around" in terms of stories. Naoki Urasawa's (and other oldschool mangaka like Makoto Yukimura) more traditional writing seems to highlight what's been lost over the years...
The T and C in Mont Blanc are silent.
i should watch this at some point
I love the show
Havent finished it but it's been OK. It seems like its trying to make a political statement, i.e. America's role in the Middle East? Maybe I'm wrong?
The original manga was first started in September 2003, right after the US invasion of Iraq. So kinda true.
I have my issues but I think the story itself is genuinely fantastic. My main gripe is (spoilers below)
they could've hyped up the teddy bear asshole a little more. The reveal in episode 8 was a bit out of nowhere but upon my second re-watch I'm noticing minor clues about it. Not enough to make the reveal worth it though. I'm still trying to piece it together in my head lol. I'm gonna read the manga next and see what they missed. Kinda wish that Abullah/Goji was the main villain I didn't really see the need to involve Thracia randomly too. I feel like I missed an episode in a way.
Why do you pronounce Gesicht name as some slavic name? I liked your review, but couldn't stopped laughing each time I heard that pronunciation 😂 It's based on the German word and sounds very different. (In English dubbed version of anime actual pronunciation correct)
Great video. I read the manga and I think a lot of your negatives lended themselves better to the manga which for better or worse - this is a full and true to form adaption. Not everyone likes the pace but I personally do. Also, you haven’t done Monster yet? Pluto is great but Monster is arguably a stronger outing.
Urasawa is a beast and this is one of my favorite manga. This adaptation was done very well and stayed very true to the source material. I enjoyed listening to your opinions despite the fact that they were a bit overly harsh, but I don’t discount them at all. Everybody has their own opinions and I encourage everyone to go and watch it theirselves and form your own opinions whether you like it or not, it’s definitely worth the time. A anime adaptation of this quality for 20th Century Boys would flip the anime community on its head. One thing I have always said is that Urasawa has this writing style that breaks the norm for anime. Urasawa writes these stories that would be good even if they weren’t anime/manga at all. Urasawa writes stories that would be interesting for people that don’t even watch anime at all. So I think that having more of his works properly adapted to anime would introduce new people to the anime community and I think that is a beautiful thing.
The ending was the weakest for me 7/10 show
I've never been a fam of the whole "robots have emotions too" subject. Unless they're cyborgs or they had actual human souls put into them, they're just machines. Souls are more than just data. I've never budged on that opinion, and I don't even like entertaining the subject. Also the fact the action and ending sound weak, doesn't make the show appealing to me at all.
Thanks for the perspective, I think I'll pass on this show!
Is this stance coming from a religious perspective? Purely asking from curiosity, I don't intend to try to change your mind either way, your position is perfectly reasonable.
@@thegrandwombat8797not op but I agree with their take tbh. AI does what it's programmed to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if we got it to the point that it convincingly simulated emotions, it's still all just ones and zeros at the end of the day. Computers do not understand things, they just return appropriate responses based on the programming instructions input by humans. Cramming loads of information into an artificial processing unit along with conditional programming does not a sentient being make.
To put it more simply. Humans (and other living beings to a lesser extent) have an innate capacity to process information and learn without being told how to do so. Machines have to be provided information and also the instructions on how to interpret or process it, and no matter how far down the road a human programs conditional logic for them, it's still external and not something that comes naturally.
I'm sorry but Pluto as a stand alone anime was trash in comparison to 2023 anime in general
Apart from episode 1
It is mostly an intellect insulting storyline after episode 1. Anime, cartoons are supposed to have tons of action. Never giving but glimpses of gore or the evils that are supposed to be depicted more convincingly. This is just middle-aged robots having never ending chats. Terrible direction. Terrible animation and cheap cgi and backgrounds everywhere.