They might be nice, but GOOD LORD they are expensive. IMHO, prohibitively so, especially for people who are new to the hobby. They are also pretty wasteful if you just discard the other switch parts. Some people really, really overhype these. Please remember that there are (different) less expensive options out there.
You make a great point! There are a TON of other options out there and MANY if not MOST people would very happy with a stock tactile at a much more reasonable price point. Browns, Naevies, Ergo Clears, T1s and all JWK tactile recolors, Box Royals, stock Halos, stock Zealios, even Holy Pandas, the list goes on. This video is definitely more of a showcase for the happy little child born between peak tactility and peak sound for those who have experimented with switches and are still unhappy with what they've tried and/or have extra funds to throw at this hobby to experiment.
@@Minterly I think a Dark jade is just as tactile and way cheaper, I did make a 67g zykos and it felt really tactile but maybe I need a 78g to truly tell the difference.
Because it’s not worth it since there are tactile who are better for so much cheaper take tealios v2s as an example they were one of the best linears but now are just dead due to new linears being better values like jwk switches. Also for your statement about gmk keycaps they actually maintain and gain value due to how exclusive they are allowing you to resell them in the long run
Holy, I just put one together since i have a Zealios from a switch tester and spare drop pandas and omg they are amazing, I think you've just converted me to team Zykos
the logical basic stuff, like dont lube the tactile bump and stuff like that. which springs eliminate tactility.... is really important to those who just started this, subbed
Amazing video, the production quality is deliciously good. And thank you for introducing me to the Cult of Zykos! Once I finished your video I ordered the switches I needed and am currently waiting to assemble some Zykos. Thank you and keep up the good work!
If you want the ultimate thock I recommend building the 🅱ykos which use the Boba top housing instead. You can also straight up use the Boba stems, making them more budget that way. They are very similar to Halo stems, but you do give up just a little in tactility for more thocc
Whoa, what?? I actually made these switches like a year ago (with Drop HP tops specifically) and big disclaimer, if you open the switches more than a couple times, the panda tops are EXTREMELY prone to cracking. I wound up destroying a whole lot of HP tops this way, lol. I eventually tried NK Blueberry stems in YOK panda housings and I love it! Practically made HP's feel linear by comparison.
Great, comprehensive video! Love the editing. Playing around with random springs, one thing I did notice was that longer springs of the same weight always produced a stronger tactility vs the shorter version of said same weight spring. Most springs being marketed at bottom out force, doesn't take too much consideration into the potential energy differences of springs when preloaded, and it's potential impact to enhance tactility. Maybe another way to even further enhance the zykos tactility.
The video quality feels more akin to a channel with 6-digit subscriber counts. I was definitely surprised to see your sub count be this low. Keep it up!
I made a couple of Zykos switches with Glorious stems and top housings and it's honestly the best tactile switch I've felt so far. Thanks, I hate that I'll need to make my next build out of these expensive switches now :)
Very nice and detailed video! Given that stem issue I would not advise the mixed housing for people using hot swappable boards. The force to push the switch in can ruin it based on what you showed. One the leaf inside bends tactility is ruined.
Great video! What case is that? I really love the look and sound of everything. I already have some homebrewed Holy Pandas and was planning on doing an order from Zeal so this might be something to try!
Exactly. I'm kind of just sitting on my HPs and some old Zealios that I haven't used in a long time. I just bought the 78g durock springs. I'm excited to try this. Might even put these in my Think6.5v2, depending on how it goes. I've been loving my Tangies, though, so I'm having a hard time deciding.
Or you can try a Dark Jade/T1 housing with a Halo stem for EVEN MORE tactility and much cheaper. T1s are basically clones of V2 Zealios and don't have the failure rates of Zykos leaf. The leaf failure is due to how Gateron switch housings are built. Inks will suffer from the same issues.
I actually really hate how T1s sound, so a huge part of the perfect switch for me is a balance of tactility and sound! Although Dark Jade seems like a popular suggestion so I guess I should try those next.
I immediately tried this switch after watching this video and yes, t1 with a halo stem is absolutely more tactile and more enjoyable for me personally. I absolutely love dark jades as well
i had the pieces laying around and tried this out. i also had drop holy pandas on hand and a batch of halo clears and translucent pandas that came in today. ill say that the tactility is awesome! its a round tactile event much like the zealios instead of the "over coming the hump and then slamming into bottom out" with the drop holy pandas. the zykos is zero pretravel and zero travel after the tactile event before you bottom out. but because we are using the zealios bottom, the bottom out is less "thocky" than the typical holy panda thock. its a BIT more muted but much more thocky than the normal zealios bottom out. About 80% the thock between a zealios bottom out and a holy panda bottom out (towards the holy panda side) I would say. Also, i wanted to note that the invyr top and the bsun tops are really different. they are both polycarbonate, but the bsun top has more ping and a higher note while invyr top has a deeper sound. in short, its the switch that i always wished the zealios were. its more of a "tightly controlled" tactile event compared to the zealios which i would consider a "loose and wobbly" tactile event. and again, the difference between the panda and the zykos is taht i would describe a holy panda tactile event as falling over cliff and hitting rock bottom, and zykos would be like "driving over a speedbump that is right up against a tree."
After using many different switches, I realized I don't prefer super tactile switches. Most popular tactile switches today can be overly tactile and they can get uncomfortable. I'm more into subtle tactile switches now, like kailh pro purples or even modded mx clears.
That is the best sound I have ever heard in a switch and I will take your word on the feel. Definitely adding this to my to do list for my new keeb. So glad I came across this particular video and can't wait until my new keeb is built with your franken caps. Thank you.
I just want to point out that zilent bottom housings and zealios bottom housings have 2 different sounds/level of tactility. I thought they were the same so when I ran out of zealios bottom housings when I lost 2 to bad leaves my friend had zilents on hand The zykos built with zilent bottom housings seem to let the stem sink deeper causing a slightly weaker bottom out sound compared to zealios
As much as I try to be a keyboard snob my work just got these lenovo keyboards that are some weird psuedo mech membrane thing, it actually feels so nice to type on.
This was a good video, thanks for informing me about the different switch, granted I can imagine it being very pricey to make, but if you already have spare switches that you are not using of the needed switches to create the Zykos then I believe it would not be a bad thing to try out and see how good they are in comparison to their counterparts that make them up. How long have these switches been around?, because this is the first I have read about them or seen a video about them for that matter.
I'm sorry but you can't really say someone has invented their own switch when all they did was mash a bunch of other peoples parts together. Do they sell it as a pre made product? no? Then they haven't invented anything. That'd be like slapping a turbo and a new radiator on my car and saying Invented a new kind of Engine.
Made some with some Feker holy pandas and Zealios V2s. Also made some with real holy pandas and I legit can't feel the difference and they sound identical
I have most of the parts on hand luckily but I'm curious about the ones you specifically used for aesthetic reasons, are the stem and panda top on the clear/white stem zykos you made from the drop halo clears? Thanks! Great video btw.
Yes, I chose my parts based on aesthetics. The white stem is the Clears and the tops are the clear GSUS Pandas. But there are a bunch of top options you can choose from!
Hey sorry, I am really confused with the parts. Drop Pandas have Halo stems so Could I buy a pack of 70 Invyr Holy Pandas and 70 Zealios V2 78G and be done with it? (excluding lube etc etc) Just confused because I don't think I need Holy Pandas + Halo + Zealios V2
Can confirm, built zanda speed switches (panda housing/stem with gateron clear spring (35g) and zealios bottom) as my osu switch. Want to make more but its hard to buy invyr pandas in lower quantities :(
Hi i was wondering how the switches are holding up? Any key chattering or issues with them after using them for a few months? I've read that the drop holy pandas users complain about faulty switches/key chattering and such, thus my concern.
They might be nice, but GOOD LORD they are expensive. IMHO, prohibitively so, especially for people who are new to the hobby. They are also pretty wasteful if you just discard the other switch parts.
Some people really, really overhype these. Please remember that there are (different) less expensive options out there.
You make a great point! There are a TON of other options out there and MANY if not MOST people would very happy with a stock tactile at a much more reasonable price point.
Browns, Naevies, Ergo Clears, T1s and all JWK tactile recolors, Box Royals, stock Halos, stock Zealios, even Holy Pandas, the list goes on.
This video is definitely more of a showcase for the happy little child born between peak tactility and peak sound for those who have experimented with switches and are still unhappy with what they've tried and/or have extra funds to throw at this hobby to experiment.
@@Minterly I think a Dark jade is just as tactile and way cheaper, I did make a 67g zykos and it felt really tactile but maybe I need a 78g to truly tell the difference.
@@tombaker2510 I'm gonna use dark jades but with 78g springs in the next build. (Maybe 7v?) To compare the difference.
@@Minterly I kinda want tactile ones that sound great but arent crazy expensive so what do you suggest the most. tyty and love ur vids!
@@wesil755 I've heard that the u4ts are good and they cost around 60¢ a switch.
Ever since I built Zykos, I grew 7 inches, won all my raffles, got six pack abs, and have found the love of my life. 10/10 would recommend.
7 inches 😳
No shoobs no. Gotta stick with the Holy Sh!t :)
@@huydoan9902 LOL
7 inches where ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@SirTrollingham At home.
why do people keep complaining about switches being expensive all while buying 3 sets of gmk?
all fax no printer
its in the name. great motherfricking keycaps
Who are these people?
Because it’s not worth it since there are tactile who are better for so much cheaper take tealios v2s as an example they were one of the best linears but now are just dead due to new linears being better values like jwk switches. Also for your statement about gmk keycaps they actually maintain and gain value due to how exclusive they are allowing you to resell them in the long run
3:12 such aggression towards that poor spring 😂
Zykos are the reason why I have Rolexes.
Getting a entire board of them are the reason I don’t lmao
Me: Hey this looks pretty good!
Minterly: I find that 78g is the perfect spring
Me: 😳 my weak fingers...
Many people have told me that 67g Zykos are also nice. Might be worth a try!
My fingers get fatigued with 67g 💀
@@mikurej95 Yeah! 62g is the way to go.
@@rmacias_c dont get 62g zykos, at that spring weight zykos are not tactile to be worth
@@jadenngl Nah, I've just bought a Niz Plum Atom 68. Let's see if it's worth the money.
3:15
Patrick: *FIRMLY GRASP IT*
My Favorite Part of the video. hahahaha
The second you started typing I was sold.
Saw this comment while watching the video, didn’t believe you till I heard it too.
You spelled ORGASMD WRONG
@@GalacticBlader ???
Holy, I just put one together since i have a Zealios from a switch tester and spare drop pandas and omg they are amazing, I think you've just converted me to team Zykos
Calling them expensive would be an understatement.
the logical basic stuff, like dont lube the tactile bump and stuff like that. which springs eliminate tactility.... is really important to those who just started this, subbed
Amazing video, the production quality is deliciously good. And thank you for introducing me to the Cult of Zykos! Once I finished your video I ordered the switches I needed and am currently waiting to assemble some Zykos. Thank you and keep up the good work!
How does this channel not have more subs? So much work went into each of these shots. The pans, soft focus, and even the sound is solid. Subbed.
If you want the ultimate thock I recommend building the 🅱ykos which use the Boba top housing instead. You can also straight up use the Boba stems, making them more budget that way. They are very similar to Halo stems, but you do give up just a little in tactility for more thocc
Nice! I'll have to try these
Got translucent pandas for this! Your video quality is getting better and better! Keep it up 👍
Thanks Chientle!!! 💖
Your voice reminds me of one of the CNBC reporters. It's so relaxing to listen to.
One of us, one of us
3:09 the most relatable thing I’ve seen in years
Whoa, what?? I actually made these switches like a year ago (with Drop HP tops specifically) and big disclaimer, if you open the switches more than a couple times, the panda tops are EXTREMELY prone to cracking. I wound up destroying a whole lot of HP tops this way, lol.
I eventually tried NK Blueberry stems in YOK panda housings and I love it! Practically made HP's feel linear by comparison.
An upload from Minterly is always poggers.
Great, comprehensive video! Love the editing. Playing around with random springs, one thing I did notice was that longer springs of the same weight always produced a stronger tactility vs the shorter version of said same weight spring. Most springs being marketed at bottom out force, doesn't take too much consideration into the potential energy differences of springs when preloaded, and it's potential impact to enhance tactility. Maybe another way to even further enhance the zykos tactility.
I think testing out an even larger variety of springs would definitely be the most comprehensive/best way to play around with this switch!
The video quality feels more akin to a channel with 6-digit subscriber counts. I was definitely surprised to see your sub count be this low. Keep it up!
Very nice tutorial!
3:16 Minterly with the aggressive putback.
I made a couple of Zykos switches with Glorious stems and top housings and it's honestly the best tactile switch I've felt so far. Thanks, I hate that I'll need to make my next build out of these expensive switches now :)
AHHHH I NEED ZYKOS
That sounds incredible.
Huh... I have a load of holy pandas and Zealios, do you think it's worth trying my own?
If you have no plans for those and have the time to try a few :)
Maybe make 30pcs first to put on your alphabets
Very nice and detailed video! Given that stem issue I would not advise the mixed housing for people using hot swappable boards. The force to push the switch in can ruin it based on what you showed. One the leaf inside bends tactility is ruined.
the guide is finally here! \o/
Great video! What case is that? I really love the look and sound of everything. I already have some homebrewed Holy Pandas and was planning on doing an order from Zeal so this might be something to try!
It’s a polycarbonate Iron 165.
Boba top housing works as well, very tactile, just a tad little quieter. Love this switch.
Sounds heavenly. bookmarking this to possibly be my endgame
Top new favorite switches. Silent alpacas, ink blacks, and zykos. I’ve always been a linear guy but these sound good af
"Oh cool! a new frankenswitch! I wonder what they feel like?"
*suddenly remembers I have spare zealios and pandas* >:)
Exactly. I'm kind of just sitting on my HPs and some old Zealios that I haven't used in a long time. I just bought the 78g durock springs. I'm excited to try this. Might even put these in my Think6.5v2, depending on how it goes. I've been loving my Tangies, though, so I'm having a hard time deciding.
Same lol
How do these compare to Bykos? I heard Bykos are deeper compared to Zykos.
Videos itself smells quality subscribed.
Now we need a vid on the Neapolitan switches from cannon keys, that zykos like feel for way cheaper
what is the cheapest switch that is super close to a zykos?
For anyone watching this much later now, theirs an alternative switch called the Neapolitan switch that is based on zykos that you can buy
I have heard both and I think I'm still going to get these they seem to have a little more depth in tone
Would be great if you can compare these with prebuilt lubed and if necessary filmed gateron ink v2 kangaroos
excellent video!
Or you can try a Dark Jade/T1 housing with a Halo stem for EVEN MORE tactility and much cheaper.
T1s are basically clones of V2 Zealios and don't have the failure rates of Zykos leaf. The leaf failure is due to how Gateron switch housings are built. Inks will suffer from the same issues.
I actually really hate how T1s sound, so a huge part of the perfect switch for me is a balance of tactility and sound! Although Dark Jade seems like a popular suggestion so I guess I should try those next.
I immediately tried this switch after watching this video and yes, t1 with a halo stem is absolutely more tactile and more enjoyable for me personally. I absolutely love dark jades as well
i had the pieces laying around and tried this out. i also had drop holy pandas on hand and a batch of halo clears and translucent pandas that came in today. ill say that the tactility is awesome! its a round tactile event much like the zealios instead of the "over coming the hump and then slamming into bottom out" with the drop holy pandas. the zykos is zero pretravel and zero travel after the tactile event before you bottom out. but because we are using the zealios bottom, the bottom out is less "thocky" than the typical holy panda thock. its a BIT more muted but much more thocky than the normal zealios bottom out. About 80% the thock between a zealios bottom out and a holy panda bottom out (towards the holy panda side) I would say. Also, i wanted to note that the invyr top and the bsun tops are really different. they are both polycarbonate, but the bsun top has more ping and a higher note while invyr top has a deeper sound. in short, its the switch that i always wished the zealios were. its more of a "tightly controlled" tactile event compared to the zealios which i would consider a "loose and wobbly" tactile event. and again, the difference between the panda and the zykos is taht i would describe a holy panda tactile event as falling over cliff and hitting rock bottom, and zykos would be like "driving over a speedbump that is right up against a tree."
After using many different switches, I realized I don't prefer super tactile switches. Most popular tactile switches today can be overly tactile and they can get uncomfortable. I'm more into subtle tactile switches now, like kailh pro purples or even modded mx clears.
I wish I liked moderately tactile switches, it would save me a bunch of pain 🤣
9/10, need more T H O C C
I built my viper with these. Love it.
Am all about that thonk...
those shots were soooo gooooood. keep it up!!
That is the best sound I have ever heard in a switch and I will take your word on the feel. Definitely adding this to my to do list for my new keeb. So glad I came across this particular video and can't wait until my new keeb is built with your franken caps. Thank you.
I just got these, had pretend I went on vacation for a month so the landlord wouldn’t come for me for the rent.
That Z was so out of line, HOLD SH...PANDA!
I genuinely broke down into a coughing fit when you said that they cost 2 dollars a switch WTF
I just want to point out that zilent bottom housings and zealios bottom housings have 2 different sounds/level of tactility.
I thought they were the same so when I ran out of zealios bottom housings when I lost 2 to bad leaves my friend had zilents on hand
The zykos built with zilent bottom housings seem to let the stem sink deeper causing a slightly weaker bottom out sound compared to zealios
Ive never tried zykos but I am currently using holy waters (halo stems in full Aqua zilent housing) and I love them
As much as I try to be a keyboard snob my work just got these lenovo keyboards that are some weird psuedo mech membrane thing, it actually feels so nice to type on.
Love your channel! Hardly ever subscribe but I did
This was a good video, thanks for informing me about the different switch, granted I can imagine it being very pricey to make, but if you already have spare switches that you are not using of the needed switches to create the Zykos then I believe it would not be a bad thing to try out and see how good they are in comparison to their counterparts that make them up. How long have these switches been around?, because this is the first I have read about them or seen a video about them for that matter.
3:08 can relate, subscibed right there
Do i NEED Halo stems?? or can i use the Drop + Invyr Holy Panda Stems and Tops?
Cause i already have the Zeals and dont like them very much!
I'm sorry but you can't really say someone has invented their own switch when all they did was mash a bunch of other peoples parts together. Do they sell it as a pre made product? no? Then they haven't invented anything. That'd be like slapping a turbo and a new radiator on my car and saying Invented a new kind of Engine.
can I make any use of the leftovers?
Zealio top housing doesn't fit on the panda buttom. stem would probably do fine though (well if it'd fit)
Made some with some Feker holy pandas and Zealios V2s. Also made some with real holy pandas and I legit can't feel the difference and they sound identical
Holy shit that sounds good
Nothing can match the sweet smooth high pitched sound of the holy pandas
Awesome video! I have every component needed already, so I might end up building these, if only for the improved skin complexity and financial gain.
Sold! I gotta try this. 😂
hi minterly! what profile keycaps are you using in this video?
Space bar sounded annoying to me. Idk would have to feel sound is only one aspect.
Im assuming you can use zilent housings for this as well?
Yes
Wouldn't it be cheaper if just buy holy panda and put its top and stem into zeal bottom?
very high quality videos! I sold all 3 of my kidneys to make zykos
How would this fare when compared with boba?
If the holy panda uses a halo trues/clear stem why dont you use this stem instead of use a halo clear stem?
Just noticed that you debut the Kitty KAT in this vid.
I have been using Kitty in a few videos now... hehehe
I have the same setup but with everglide dark jade stem and top.
Aight so what happens if you combine the left over parts?
Big tactile??? Try holy bobas quite nice too
You know what's better than Zykos? Bykos.
My bank account isn't gonna forgive me
Not my endgame, i dont like pure thock.
The most satisfying and informational video I never knew I needed
Napolitano is oHhhh sOoo good with 205G0
Btw holy panda and halo switches have the same stem
I have most of the parts on hand luckily but I'm curious about the ones you specifically used for aesthetic reasons, are the stem and panda top on the clear/white stem zykos you made from the drop halo clears? Thanks! Great video btw.
Appears to be the case
Yes, I chose my parts based on aesthetics. The white stem is the Clears and the tops are the clear GSUS Pandas. But there are a bunch of top options you can choose from!
@@Minterly appreciate it!! Thank you very much!!
does it work with something else than zeal switches because they are annoyingly expensive for what they are
Hey sorry, I am really confused with the parts. Drop Pandas have Halo stems so Could I buy a pack of 70 Invyr Holy Pandas and 70 Zealios V2 78G and be done with it? (excluding lube etc etc) Just confused because I don't think I need Holy Pandas + Halo + Zealios V2
You can use Holy Panda stem + top and Zealios v2 bottoms!
@@Minterly Ahhh Thank you so much for the reply! I will get to it!
what keycap set?? those r so damn cool
What's your keycaps?
ill give you 200 to make make 60% for me lol
Your editing! This is so good
When hobby turns into obsession
i love this
Idk man i still like my bobas more
5:28 that was so painful to watch
Can confirm, built zanda speed switches (panda housing/stem with gateron clear spring (35g) and zealios bottom) as my osu switch. Want to make more but its hard to buy invyr pandas in lower quantities :(
I think they sound better with Cherry tops. I also had 0 issues with failures using those.
This is something people in my Discord were talking about trying. The tops are definitely the most interchangeable part!
Hi i was wondering how the switches are holding up? Any key chattering or issues with them after using them for a few months? I've read that the drop holy pandas users complain about faulty switches/key chattering and such, thus my concern.
Good switches, but not good enough to me to change my cherry mx brown ❤️❤️
If this isn’t sarcastic that would be sad
in it for the 69 credit points.