A note of caution:some masking tape will rapidly corrode copper. I discovered this during my stint as a painter working on a house with new copper gutters.
What a great gift idea. Perhaps a 3 piece set, a ladle, a scoop, and a tablespoon measure. The type of thing you love and keep forever. Your handle design is fantastic. A medieval look, but still timeless.
I bought a pair of holdfast from you several years ago. I wanted to let you know they are still going strong and work perfectly. Love your videos, I wish I had the space for a blacksmith shop, but your videos let me live vicariously through you
Great video, as always! I got into making scoops and ladles last winter. I found a 40 pound roll of copper roofing at the local salvage shop. It should last a couple more winters, even with hammering out roses and other flowers. I like the idea of making different styles of handles. I also make my copper rivets in a flat plate. They're not flat, but more of a rose head shape. Experiencing new techniques and learning keeps life interesting.
I appreciate that you include the trials and errors, which are crucial realities been sparked into interest in metal crafting. It's evident that things are working out well, and in my opinion, your presentations are nicely executed.
I made one with a sweg block. Was way more difficult. I like this idea. Side note, I can't wait to have half the equipment you have. I'll probably never will. Thanks, love the video
I have rivet sets made very similar to an eye ball punch, a round divot in the end of a ball punch. I put small rivets in ladles and close quarters like coat hangers, I also leave the divot a bit shallow, it requires me to do a weird tilt the punch and go around the rivet 360° to finish the edge of the rivet, it's not much trouble but not leaving marks is worth it, yeah it's special tooling but if you do lots of riveting it's worth it and I do because I can't seem to forge weld better than 1 out of 10 times, don't know if it's the anthracite or I'm missing something.
I got one of these swedge kits a few weeks ago. The ball end has 4 holes that I use to mount a hardy plate, that really helps when you need the round ball facing up. Also if you have a 1 ton press you can get good scoops roughed in the scoop shape pretty quick.
Nice video, I really like the extra ideas you give in this video and I like the kit, unfortunately I went to the site and it shows to be sold out. I'm thinking about trying to get a kit as soon as I can, I'd like to try my hand at making those, we don't drink coffee but those scoops look like they'd still be handy in the kitchen. Thanks for another really good video and the ideas.
While I may never make a coffee scoop, I will certainly use several of the techniques you used as brilliant workarounds! Thanks, as always, for broadening our horizons.
Great video John. I've used my vices for preaaing. So much that I now have one vice mounted sideways so I can just set my tooling on the jaw. Gravity helps me...
I made myself a set of Ball Bearing hardy tools in various sizes for doing scoops, welded the bearings onto square stock, and welded collars on that so the top of the bearings are all at the same working height. Works pretty good, and they can be used the other way round as a punch in a pinch, as long as I don’t go to wild and mushroom the shank.
Great video! I just got the fuller & swage set as well as a dog head hammer at Maker Camp and the scoops and handles have now arrived at the house in brass and copper. Didn’t think of simply hammering the fuller instead of a press, nice video.
I seen the house made kit and liked the idea. Bought ball bearings and have 1045. Gonna try and make my own tooling and give it a go when I have the time
Thank you for the video. I am seriously thinking about ordering the kit. From the other comments they are already sold out. Hopefully they will make another run soon. Just the swage and the ball die are worth the cost. I was hoping you would have had time to make the handle out of 1/4 X 3/4 but everyone can do their own experiments on the handle. Using the vise for a press is a great idea! I look forward to the next video!
That was a really good video John, lots of great products and fantastic craftsmanship went into those ladle's / measuring spoons . Thank you for sharing with us. Stay safe and enjoy the snow when you can. Fred.
Great video John thankyou, I really enjoyed seeing all your different approaches to achieving essentially the same end result. Thought provoking and very useful. Your hammer control spreading that rivet plate for the "john" made version was very impressive thanks for sharing
I have about half a dozen various trailer hitch balls I picked-up at a yard sale for next to nothing. I wonder how well they would hold-up as ball dies for projects like this. I imagine the chrome plating would chip off rather quickly, but I would think the steel itself would hold up. In addition, the shanks on the trailer hitch balls could be ground or forged to fit hardy holes in anvils.
I was thinking- you could put it in the vise- then you put it in the vise😊. Then I thought- if you mount it on a die plate to use in the press, you could also clamp that plate in the vise to planish…
I would love to know where you find good files. I have looked on line but have no idea what I'm looking for. I have found Nicholson's and a couple others but they are not what they used to be. Any information would be great. Thank you and thank you for all the great information and inspiration
Any thoughts for or against annealing the blanks? I thought it might make the initial dishing less fiddley and would be sufficiently rigid still or work harden a bit when plannishing the facets. Enjoyable and inspiring as always, thanks much.
Did you make the dies for the guillotine tool that forge the ornamental ball on the stem of the octagonal handle? If so, what's the easiest way to make such a die set?
Where do you get the glasses? My every day specks are no where near robust enough for long forging sessions where the chance of catching scale on the face increases the longer I fiddle away at the anvil. I've been lucky, but you can't count on that.
I am not a coffee drinker but I have always the design of a copper scoop. I will need to check out the kit. Did you buy or make the bead die for the smithin magician? I need to add that to my collection. Great video like always.
Does the copper-stainless interface have an oxidation risk? I know stainless "doesn't rust" but in my experience any bi-metal interface ends up with some sort of funky oxidation or something along those lines, especially when something not pH neutral (like coffee) is involved.
For a galvanic corrosion reaction to occur, you would need the presence of an electrolyte. Keep it clean, dry and oiled/wax and it will last a lifetime
John: What is the Diameter of the 14 Guage Cooper Discs. What company do you order from? I'm interested in creating my own Scoop, however; i. Would like the "Diameter" of the 14 Guage Cooper Disc. Thank you. Charlie
I know you are a master of many steel and wood working.... I'm watching you sand with a small piece of 2 x 72 inch sander belt. Now I've learned to cut a 2 x 4 about 24 inches and because it's a little narrow for a prefect fit to match the belt I mount 2 short price of a 2 x4 on opposite sides of the narrow 2 inch thickness ends of both ends of the long 24 inch 2 x 4 and then take a chisel cutting out about 1/3 inch from the edge of the inner side one of the short pieces on both ends. If you are following me correctly your 2 x 72 belts should be able to just be laid across using either a new 2 x 72 belts or a broken belt. After mounting the 2 x4 by 24 inch into any vice to hold it secure before you try sanding on the jig using welding vice grip clamps. Fixture placed on your belt and clamping the ends of both ends to hold the belt then you can start sanding.... I'm finding it works on wood or steel projects and because the 24 wide belt mounted secured you can sand almost like a machine works for sandi knives also much easier. In my 5 years of learning from you perhaps this is one new method that can help you Sir Thanks for helping me and others.
I really like this project! I heard somewhere that stainless steel is dangerous to forge with because of the chromium and zinc gas that can be released. Is that the case or is it okay to forge? Does heating the steel change its resistance to corrosion at all? This might be a question for a materials scientist but I was curious what your thoughts were.
I have never heard of any increased risk with stainless, so I can't say one way or the other. Yes, forging stainless does male it more susceptible to corrosion and there are ways to restore it. But again it isn't something I have experience with
@@BlackBearForge Got it. I've been interested in forging kitchen utensils for some time now, but I'm apprehensive about using stainless. You said you use forged kitchen utensils, do you apply any specific coating to them or is what you do similar to seasoning cast iron?
I think it would look good if you forged a small piece of iron then made a rat tail and put a nice turned handle of walnut or some other nice wood too or you could pin some wood handles on a flat piece like a knife handle
It's so damn## annoying, they don't ship to Norway. That's how it is with 99%. Either the shipping is 10 times what you buy or they don't send. We have one forge shop in Norway, they can't have everything unfortunately.
I thought it was a good idea with the dies but let’s buy blanks to make more. $45.00/scoop. OMG what a ripoff. Stamped out metal $45.00. You need to follow through with going further than two scoops that are also too big for coffee scoops.
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I ordered a kit today, their webpage kept having an error. I left a message, and they called back. Great customer support!
Thanks for the tip!
A note of caution:some masking tape will rapidly corrode copper. I discovered this during my stint as a painter working on a house with new copper gutters.
What a great gift idea. Perhaps a 3 piece set, a ladle, a scoop, and a tablespoon measure. The type of thing you love and keep forever. Your handle design is fantastic. A medieval look, but still timeless.
I recently made my first successful forge weld because of your tutorial I kind of did a little dance and called a few people. 😊👈me.
That scene in Castaway, when he finally achieved 🔥
🎉🎉🎉🎉
@ exactly like castaway with a little song🤗
Congrats bro
I bought a pair of holdfast from you several years ago. I wanted to let you know they are still going strong and work perfectly. Love your videos, I wish I had the space for a blacksmith shop, but your videos let me live vicariously through you
Glad you like them!
What kind of space do you have you don’t have to have a lot do my work in a little space
Great video, as always! I got into making scoops and ladles last winter. I found a 40 pound roll of copper roofing at the local salvage shop. It should last a couple more winters, even with hammering out roses and other flowers. I like the idea of making different styles of handles. I also make my copper rivets in a flat plate. They're not flat, but more of a rose head shape. Experiencing new techniques and learning keeps life interesting.
I appreciate that you include the trials and errors, which are crucial realities been sparked into interest in metal crafting. It's evident that things are working out well, and in my opinion, your presentations are nicely executed.
I love this idea! It will be a great gift for those people who have everything.
You keep making me spend money lol . I like the way you personalized the scoops and handles .
Just doing my part for the blacksmithing economy
5:04 To get it even here: start in the center and work your way out to the edge, rotating the piece as you go.
Good tip
Thanks for the reminder!
That’s zoom out tracking at 6:45 looked really nice. 👍🏼
I made one with a sweg block.
Was way more difficult.
I like this idea.
Side note, I can't wait to have half the equipment you have. I'll probably never will.
Thanks, love the video
I have rivet sets made very similar to an eye ball punch, a round divot in the end of a ball punch. I put small rivets in ladles and close quarters like coat hangers, I also leave the divot a bit shallow, it requires me to do a weird tilt the punch and go around the rivet 360° to finish the edge of the rivet, it's not much trouble but not leaving marks is worth it, yeah it's special tooling but if you do lots of riveting it's worth it and I do because I can't seem to forge weld better than 1 out of 10 times, don't know if it's the anthracite or I'm missing something.
Great video as always.
I couldn't resist... bought a kit
Army
me too...
I got one of these swedge kits a few weeks ago. The ball end has 4 holes that I use to mount a hardy plate, that really helps when you need the round ball facing up. Also if you have a 1 ton press you can get good scoops roughed in the scoop shape pretty quick.
More products suitable for a Royal palace! So delightful! Thank you for sharing!
Nice video, I really like the extra ideas you give in this video and I like the kit, unfortunately I went to the site and it shows to be sold out. I'm thinking about trying to get a kit as soon as I can, I'd like to try my hand at making those, we don't drink coffee but those scoops look like they'd still be handy in the kitchen. Thanks for another really good video and the ideas.
Hopefully they will restock soon
While I may never make a coffee scoop, I will certainly use several of the techniques you used as brilliant workarounds! Thanks, as always, for broadening our horizons.
You are so welcome!
Your version of the handle is very beautiful!
Mornin, nice vid for coffee drinkin.
Love You ❤ Amen Brother 🙏🏼
Another Sunday treasure, thanks for the lesson, John. Jealous of your incoming snow.. Enjoy your day
Ended up with 41" over 5 days
@
Holy moly that’s a lot of snow, be careful, I’m not wishing for that much for Santa.
Gorgeous work, I appreciate the Housemade kits, but the handle you made yourself is fantastic! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you very much!
Great video John. I've used my vices for preaaing. So much that I now have one vice mounted sideways so I can just set my tooling on the jaw. Gravity helps me...
That is something to make during the winter festivities in the museum of Boktijk where I give a demonstration.
And that is in Belgium!!
Good tip.
Got one of those for the blacksmith Christmas’s a few years ago :)
Great video! This looks like something I could attempt - I'm more of a woodworker, but love metal and want to get into this. Thank you!
Nice little project! Great job as always Sir!
I made myself a set of Ball Bearing hardy tools in various sizes for doing scoops, welded the bearings onto square stock, and welded collars on that so the top of the bearings are all at the same working height. Works pretty good, and they can be used the other way round as a punch in a pinch, as long as I don’t go to wild and mushroom the shank.
Your spoon looks better, than the blanks. well done.
Thanks for the video John, that kit is definitely something to consider!
Fun little project, you can make as simple or as ornate as you want! Thanks for showing us.
Great video! I just got the fuller & swage set as well as a dog head hammer at Maker Camp and the scoops and handles have now arrived at the house in brass and copper. Didn’t think of simply hammering the fuller instead of a press, nice video.
Great video 👍👍
This is one of the MOST awesome videos you've made.
Thank you.
Neat starter kit if you don't have the tooling already for sure!!
And a good way to get tools you could use for a long time
Great video John. Always like seeing the fly press in use (you can show more of that). The last "custom" made one is really beautiful.
I would like to feature the more specialized tools a bit more. But try not to discourage the beginner crowd.
Great work John!
All this information is just for free. How amazing!
Glad you enjoyed it
I seen the house made kit and liked the idea. Bought ball bearings and have 1045. Gonna try and make my own tooling and give it a go when I have the time
Thank you for the video. I am seriously thinking about ordering the kit. From the other comments they are already sold out. Hopefully they will make another run soon. Just the swage and the ball die are worth the cost. I was hoping you would have had time to make the handle out of 1/4 X 3/4 but everyone can do their own experiments on the handle. Using the vise for a press is a great idea! I look forward to the next video!
That was a really good video John, lots of great products and fantastic craftsmanship went into those ladle's / measuring spoons . Thank you for sharing with us. Stay safe and enjoy the snow when you can. Fred.
Great video John thankyou,
I really enjoyed seeing all your different approaches to achieving essentially the same end result. Thought provoking and very useful.
Your hammer control spreading that rivet plate for the "john" made version was very impressive
thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
Your design looks very good, I like the octagon shape of the handle.
very nice
Great video, Mr. Switzer. I really enjoy your stuff.
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Great way to give a new smith confidence!! I have the same flypress! Invaluable if the shop
I just ordered my kit from them! Super excited to get it!
You’re a true master at this 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Very nice products John, Thank you for sharing the process.
You are very welcome
Very cool. Loved the forged spoon handle :)
Very well done.🙂🙂
They look awesome, maybe a little scroll on the handle instead of a leather loop to hang up , just another thought
Seriously cool!👍
Great video im makkng a bunch of stuff for xmas again this year so i might have to get the kit
Awesome work
Tall vice good for the back 👍
Thanks Ol' boy nice video
Glad you enjoyed it
I have about half a dozen various trailer hitch balls I picked-up at a yard sale for next to nothing. I wonder how well they would hold-up as ball dies for projects like this. I imagine the chrome plating would chip off rather quickly, but I would think the steel itself would hold up. In addition, the shanks on the trailer hitch balls could be ground or forged to fit hardy holes in anvils.
They work pretty well, but usually have a flat spot that could create an issue.
Another great way to make the scoop would be with an arbor press with any round dies you have
Sold out !
Hopefully they’ll restock soon
I was thinking- you could put it in the vise- then you put it in the vise😊. Then I thought- if you mount it on a die plate to use in the press, you could also clamp that plate in the vise to planish…
Where did you get the 14 gauge discs that you bought?
To bad they don't ship to Europe. Would have loved to get my hands on a set.
not available for me in UK, looks great though.
👍
I would love to know where you find good files. I have looked on line but have no idea what I'm looking for. I have found Nicholson's and a couple others but they are not what they used to be. Any information would be great. Thank you and thank you for all the great information and inspiration
My grand Pa had trailer hitch balls ground to fit in his hardy he had one that was big it was out or a ball mill
Loved the video keep them coming. Where did you source the extra copper disk from?
boppermetalsupply.com/products/copper-discs?variant=43612466118892
Given the bench vise method, if we have a bottle jack shop press, that should also work well right?
fumble fingers - used my vice for "pressing"...lol...
Any thoughts for or against annealing the blanks? I thought it might make the initial dishing less fiddley and would be sufficiently rigid still or work harden a bit when plannishing the facets. Enjoyable and inspiring as always, thanks much.
I didn't bother and it didn't seem to work harden much. But annealing might be the best practice.
Did you make the dies for the guillotine tool that forge the ornamental ball on the stem of the octagonal handle? If so, what's the easiest way to make such a die set?
Where do you get the glasses? My every day specks are no where near robust enough for long forging sessions where the chance of catching scale on the face increases the longer I fiddle away at the anvil. I've been lucky, but you can't count on that.
I am not a coffee drinker but I have always the design of a copper scoop. I will need to check out the kit. Did you buy or make the bead die for the smithin magician? I need to add that to my collection. Great video like always.
I made that die
Nice! Where did you buy the additional copper discs from? I liked seeing the variations, especially the last one 👍
boppermetalsupply.com/products/copper-discs?variant=43612466118892
Definitely need a hardy hole stub on the bowl die...
Round balls. Look for trailer hitches on a scrap car. They are admittedly small, but there are also larger ones.
Just keep in mind that the hitch balls have a flat spot on top.
I like the fly press method but they a very expensive….thanks
Does the copper-stainless interface have an oxidation risk?
I know stainless "doesn't rust" but in my experience any bi-metal interface ends up with some sort of funky oxidation or something along those lines, especially when something not pH neutral (like coffee) is involved.
Thats a good question, but since I don't work with either very much, I'm afraid I don't really know.
For a galvanic corrosion reaction to occur, you would need the presence of an electrolyte. Keep it clean, dry and oiled/wax and it will last a lifetime
John: What is the Diameter of the 14 Guage Cooper Discs. What company do you order from? I'm interested in creating my own Scoop, however; i. Would like the "Diameter" of the 14 Guage Cooper Disc. Thank you. Charlie
boppermetalsupply.com/products/copper-discs?variant=43612466118892
I know you are a master of many steel and wood working....
I'm watching you sand with a small piece of 2 x 72 inch sander belt.
Now I've learned to cut a 2 x 4 about 24 inches and because it's a little narrow for a prefect fit to match the belt I mount 2 short price of a 2 x4 on opposite sides of the narrow 2 inch thickness ends of both ends of the long 24 inch 2 x 4 and then take a chisel cutting out about 1/3 inch from the edge of the inner side one of the short pieces on both ends.
If you are following me correctly your 2 x 72 belts should be able to just be laid across using either a new 2 x 72 belts or a broken belt.
After mounting the 2 x4 by 24 inch into any vice to hold it secure before you try sanding on the jig using welding vice grip clamps.
Fixture placed on your belt and clamping the ends of both ends to hold the belt then you can start sanding.... I'm finding it works on wood or steel projects and because the 24 wide belt mounted secured you can sand almost like a machine works for sandi knives also much easier.
In my 5 years of learning from you perhaps this is one new method that can help you
Sir Thanks for helping me and others.
I really like this project! I heard somewhere that stainless steel is dangerous to forge with because of the chromium and zinc gas that can be released. Is that the case or is it okay to forge? Does heating the steel change its resistance to corrosion at all? This might be a question for a materials scientist but I was curious what your thoughts were.
I have never heard of any increased risk with stainless, so I can't say one way or the other. Yes, forging stainless does male it more susceptible to corrosion and there are ways to restore it. But again it isn't something I have experience with
@@BlackBearForge Got it. I've been interested in forging kitchen utensils for some time now, but I'm apprehensive about using stainless. You said you use forged kitchen utensils, do you apply any specific coating to them or is what you do similar to seasoning cast iron?
I think it would look good if you forged a small piece of iron then made a rat tail and put a nice turned handle of walnut or some other nice wood too or you could pin some wood handles on a flat piece like a knife handle
All good options
After you said you were going to buy some 14 gauge blank's it made me curious to know where you buy your materials from.
Annealing the copper before planishing?
It didn't seem to need it
18:00 Maybe a little spot of hot glue between the disc and tooling?
I'm surprised you never mentioned annealing the copper.
It didn't work harden to the point it needed to be annealed.
Only problem is keeping the blank from jumping about...
Would you do a live stream build/hangout shop day with us?
Welding a ball on the end of a shank? You mean like a tow hitch from Lowe’s? lol.
No, the hitch balls have a flat spot on top
What is the diameter of the flat blank
2 1/2"
@ thank you
hes already sold out!
Wow! Hopefully they will re stock soon
Copper no Cooper!!
Sell it with the video link and I am sure you could get that 200 dollars.
Good value, but they’re sold out. ☹️
Hopefully they will restock soon
It's so damn## annoying, they don't ship to Norway. That's how it is with 99%. Either the shipping is 10 times what you buy or they don't send. We have one forge shop in Norway, they can't have everything unfortunately.
Move to merica
I thought it was a good idea with the dies but let’s buy blanks to make more. $45.00/scoop. OMG what a ripoff. Stamped out metal $45.00. You need to follow through with going further than two scoops that are also too big for coffee scoops.
Hate to tell you this, but those are going to rust.
Only if you don't take care of it. I've been using forged kitchen utensils for years and it really isn't an issue
@BlackBearForge Putting iron and copper together is never a good idea. I learned that the hard way.