Cedarwood notes in perfumery, a perfumer's guide

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024

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  • @wisemoon40
    @wisemoon40 Год назад +17

    You forgot a few things! Atlas cedar, Himalayan cedar, Chinese or Canadian white cedar (although white cedar is high in Thujone which is restricted, not sure if there’s a rectified version or not). Also, there are many different species of juniper in North America, and in fact there are six or more species that grow in different parts of Texas. Also I think the term “fake cedar” is a bit negative in connotation. Juniper is very similar in odor to old-world Cedrus species, even though it’s not that closely related. Many of the isolates and aromachemicals you mentioned are found in juniper! It’s similar to Amyris wood smelling like Sandalwood. Juniper, like Amyris, is very plentiful and not endangered. It’s therefore cheaper than Atlas or Himalayan cedar. So using juniper makes sense from an economic perspective, as well as an ethical and ecological perspective.

    • @mqtte9594
      @mqtte9594 Год назад +5

      he kinda did at the end

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +10

      I would have liked to talk about the other cedars too, but sadly I don’t have a high quality sample of them and I didn’t have any more time for the video - maybe in the future though! And I see what you mean in that fake might come across as negative, but that’s not the intention! I just thought is was an interesting fact

  • @ProximaCentauri88
    @ProximaCentauri88 7 месяцев назад +1

    I really love the pencil shaving smell of Virginian Cedarwood. I personally prefer it over the antique smell of Cedarwood Atlas which I also like.
    Cedarwood Virginian is one of my top 5 most favorite scents:
    1. Bergamot
    2. Patchouli
    3. Virginian Cedarwood
    4. Frankincense
    5. Ylang-Ylang

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  7 месяцев назад

      Yes it's a lovely smell

  • @josesaraiva9566
    @josesaraiva9566 Год назад +5

    Hello Sam
    Goodnight,
    Of the most known cedars, I have several, Virginia, Texas (false cedars) then the real ones, Atlas, China and Himalayas, but it seems that the most interesting is the Lebanese Cedar, but apparently it is very rare and it seems that sometimes it is faked.
    Often in the Perfumery sector, especially in natural products, it is difficult for them to always be real, so much so that I have been thinking about buying some real Oud for some time and I am afraid of spending money and buying a fake product.
    Another very interesting product in the Cedar line, but a little more complex is Cedroxide, at first I didn't like it but in the dry down it is quite interesting.
    I think that Cedar, like Patchouli, Sandalwood and other woods, wins over time, I'm here comparing a Virginia Cedar that I bought in 1996 and one that I bought in 2021 and the 96 wins in points, the same with Patchouli, my oldest at around 28 years old, has a softer and more pleasant note than other more recent ones, Vetiver also improves with age, compare an 81 Vetiver (Java, Bourbon, Angola, etc.) with a recent one is to compare black with white, nothing to do.
    Congratulations for this video, I've been following everyone but I don't always comment.
    Best regards.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +3

      Thank you! The article I mentioned in the video talked about Lebanese cedar, I’ve not had the chance to smell it myself though. I did consider talking about cedroxyde, but decided not to since despite the name, the chemical structure is completely unrelated to the rest. And I think you’re right about these woods ageing - I once smelled some 60 year old vintage sandalwood and it was incredible!

  • @peewee678
    @peewee678 Год назад +6

    Nice introduction! Coincidentally I just started working on a perfume around cedar (and derivatives) and ionones.
    - Also worth mentioning is Chinese Cedar oil which has a wonderful subtle smokey facet and is a unique and quite different cedar scent.
    - Epoxidized cedarwood oil AKA "Cedrone S" is a very nice derivative and quite a rich cedar like scent (leans slightly towards Atlas cedar).
    - If you like the pencil shavings scent in Virginia but really clean, try Cedrene; it's one of the chemicals mainly found in Virginia.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      Thank you! I haven’t smelled cedrone s or cedrene so I’ll have to keep an eye out for them. I do have some Chinese Cedarwood and I agree on it being more smoky :)

  • @indianhistorybuff
    @indianhistorybuff Год назад +4

    Yet to watch this but I've recently found your channel and it has greatly enhanced my knowledge of the subject. Thank you.
    PS do consider making a video on resting/ macerating/ maturing of fragrances. There is little to no clarity on that subject in the fragrance community. Specially the point that if a perfume company doesn't do it can doing it ourselves improve it's performance/ smell quality.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +2

      Thank you! And the reason there’s no clarity on macerating is because it’s unique for every perfume. Sometimes it gets better, other times worse. The only way to know is to try it for the given perfume.

  • @Michelle-Eden
    @Michelle-Eden Год назад +2

    One part sweet basil EO in 40 parts cedar has a softening effect. Will give the ionones a try, thanks.

  • @mephisthopia
    @mephisthopia 11 месяцев назад +1

    My favorite woody note ❤ Texas Cedar is stunning,smooky and heavy.

  • @MrDigitalWorks
    @MrDigitalWorks Год назад +2

    Thanks for this ... currently working on a cedar based parfum and this was very interesting!

  • @Bushehri1
    @Bushehri1 Год назад +3

    Thank you 😊 💓, I like your videos and your channel, you teaching me a lot ❤️ please keep it up !

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      Thank you!!

    • @Bushehri1
      @Bushehri1 Год назад +1

      @Sam Macer you're welcome, dear brother 🌹

  • @smilinkylen5621
    @smilinkylen5621 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ive been cutting wood for years and i always know when im working with cedar. This is really cool info for someone with no chemistry background. Thank you!

  • @justaddlight
    @justaddlight Год назад +1

    I love that colour analogy! ❤🧡💛

  • @Perfumery_by_Sabin
    @Perfumery_by_Sabin Год назад +1

    You’re the man! Thanks for the juicy content

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      Thanks! Always searching for the juiciest of content…

  • @JayMannStuff
    @JayMannStuff Год назад +1

    Love this! Atlas Cedar is my favorite material. Worth it if you can get it.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      I only have a poor quality sample - I still need to pick up a good one sometime

  • @johannahhuttenstone
    @johannahhuttenstone Год назад

    This video was very helpful, especially the bit about use with Methyl Ionone Gamma. Thanks!

  • @topnotesfragrance
    @topnotesfragrance Год назад +1

    Great video as always Sam!! Amber xtreme is the GOAT btw

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +2

      I might do a video on woody ambers and talk about that Amber Xtreme!

    • @topnotesfragrance
      @topnotesfragrance Год назад

      @@sammacer awesome man, I look forward to hearing your thoughts an expertise on it! 🤝

  • @sherloncampbell6314
    @sherloncampbell6314 Год назад +1

    Can you do a video of the tools needed on ingredients please thank you

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      What do you mean? Have you checked out my perfumery beginners course?

  • @AnInterest
    @AnInterest Год назад +1

    hey sam, I absolutely love your content and have been getting so much out of it. thank you so much for that. I would love if you could cover maturation and maceration, as these are relatively difficult subjects to uncover on the internet. at the very least I am looking for some resources on these subjects. best wishes to you and yours!

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      Thanks! To be honest there’s no real theory to maceration that I know of. The way I understand it, it’s different for each perfume, some get better and others get worse over time. The only way to know is to test it.

  • @davidnapoleon2187
    @davidnapoleon2187 Год назад +1

    Hey Bro, I just started getting into the fragrance making game. I live in Canada, and I’m having issues finding where to buy perfumery alcohol and where to get essential oils and cologne oils for a decent good price.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      Fantastic, good luck! Try perfumers apprentice or creatingperfumes.com

  • @VSol-ud7cl
    @VSol-ud7cl 2 месяца назад

    thank you Sam. Regards from Russia.

  • @Gunnar_Carlsson
    @Gunnar_Carlsson Год назад

    Love the videos, and now i find it alot more interesting now that i have organic chemistry in school.

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      Fantastic, good luck with your organic chemistry!

  • @nickyb7185
    @nickyb7185 Год назад +1

    I love cedar as well, I do find that it can make a blend a bit almost crowded sometimes.. dose anyone else find this?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      Yes it can be loud and crowding for sure, that’s where the synthetics can help

  • @josepmcomajoncoses5118
    @josepmcomajoncoses5118 Год назад +1

    Great video!!

  • @shallbee.
    @shallbee. Год назад

    Thank you Sam!

  • @mochacola72
    @mochacola72 Год назад +1

    How did your diffusers turn out?

  • @gilbertofreihoff
    @gilbertofreihoff 2 месяца назад

    Thanks for this lovely and informative video.
    Do you know how to prevent cloudiness in the final product due the cedar wood Virginia?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  2 месяца назад

      It shouldn’t cause cloudiness, that often signifies some water

  • @kurogana01
    @kurogana01 3 месяца назад

    Hello Sam, i have another doubt, if you can share your exp.
    About accords, lets say you create 2 accords, first accord oil A+B, second, accord Z+Y, then let them age 3 months, afterwards, you blend both accords and dilute, so we have perfume 1.
    Now, the same thing, accord 1 and 2, but I am not making the accord, I simply drop the oils A,B,Y and Z, all at the same time, and without aging nothing, dilute right away, and we get perfume 2.
    The question is, if the perfume 1 and 2 are the same notes at same scales, same dilutions, same ingredients, but one done with aged accords, and the other just mixed and diluted the same day without accords, will result in the same perfume after 6 months for exemple???

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  3 месяца назад +1

      There can sometimes be slight differences but most perfumers work on the basis that the effect is usually negligible

    • @kurogana01
      @kurogana01 3 месяца назад

      @@sammacer thank you... :)

  • @mauroc7099
    @mauroc7099 Год назад

    Hi Sam! Very good chanel! Congrats! One question, do you know some materials or accord to replace vetiver oil? Thanks!

  • @justcat6042
    @justcat6042 Год назад

    hi Sam, thank you for this! I learn a lot from your videos.
    question: why didn't you upload the audio of your videos to podcast anymore? I love listening to your podcast.
    thank you!

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      Thank you! To be honest I’ve just gotten lazy with it and not made the time to do it. I’ll try to get it up to date soon, remind me again if I don’t

  • @davemathew4690
    @davemathew4690 Год назад

    Would like a video on rosewood or sandalwood)

  • @kelechi.E
    @kelechi.E 9 месяцев назад

    Pls How can i get the Book ? Perfumery practice and principles

  • @laronbridewell9468
    @laronbridewell9468 Год назад

    Great video. In your opinion what is the best stand alone synthetic Cedarwood note/chemical? Which of the 3? AlsoIs it possible for me to add trace
    amounts of actual drinkable real Rum and Whiskey in my fragrance concentrates?

  • @jbernard86
    @jbernard86 Год назад

    Love the videos but feel like others without Atlas or Himalayan cedar its incomplete. Love Eden Botanicals in the us for those EOs and great quality and sourcing

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      Hi John, for sure I would have liked to cover those, but I simply didn’t have the time or the necessary samples. I thought I would cover the most common ones for beginners.

  • @anxhelapanxhi
    @anxhelapanxhi Год назад +1

    Can you make a vid of you creating a raw material? 🤗

  • @earthlingbrightstar
    @earthlingbrightstar Год назад

    Great review very helpful

  • @abiljko9330
    @abiljko9330 Год назад

    Iam always thinking one thing when i make perfume why is always cloudy well i use method eu de parfume 80% alcohol 20% oil i put 6 mill essential oils then i put 1 mil coconut oil and then fill with alcohol to the top 30 ml bottel when i put acohol it become cloudy and you can see little bobbles of oil why this happening to me

  • @user-kr1jp3qr6q
    @user-kr1jp3qr6q Год назад

    Is this the reason I dislike Cedrat Boise on first impression? I get a smoky, woody, mature vibe. I'm trying to pinpoint the note so I know what fragrances to avoid,

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      Unsure, I don’t have cédrat boise

  • @Icarux25
    @Icarux25 8 месяцев назад

    Where can i buy that essential oils?

  • @eternalbattle1438
    @eternalbattle1438 Год назад

    Hey Sam! Could you make a video on a fragrance note called Mastic Gum?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      I don’t have it myself although I would like to obtain some

    • @eternalbattle1438
      @eternalbattle1438 Год назад

      ​@@sammacer Azzaro Homme Cologne Intense (2021) has mastic gum in it, and it is described as a coniferous and terpenic note. I've been wandering how that particular note can be created and used in perfumes. :)

  • @unifiedfashion6351
    @unifiedfashion6351 Год назад

    I have a doubt
    In good scents company website there is substantivity for each material
    My doubt is if substantivity is 200 hours at 20%
    Will substantivity increase if we take 100% of that material or it will remain same as 200 hours?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      It should increase, but also those numbers aren’t always accurate in the first place

  • @5wm562
    @5wm562 Год назад

    Hello Sam, I'm looking for a good paper material to use for testing material combinations. Scent strips are fine but go quickly in this case, so I'm looking for a sheet or page of paper material to blot on.. I've tried card stock paper but this is no good, being treated with all sorts of chemicals from the start which reacts badly to materials, everything smelling like bug spray. Would you know where or how to get the same scent strip material in sheets or what else could be used? Thanks.

  • @anvarsadathcosmetology
    @anvarsadathcosmetology Год назад

    Is there any app available for perfumery formula ?

  • @shihanpk2934
    @shihanpk2934 Год назад

    Why we want to make dilutions like 10%,20% etc?
    Is it necessary to do dilutions when we are making perfumes for selling?

    • @_Solaris
      @_Solaris Год назад +2

      If I recall, he dilutes frags to 10%, 1% & .01% for the purpose of proper blending.

    • @juelraj3901
      @juelraj3901 Год назад +1

      The reason for dilution is so you don't waste unnecessary materials when you are creating a formula/perfume. Once you have the proper formula then you can blend them according to that. You will always need to dilute from there on depending on the safety advice from IFRA

    • @shihanpk2934
      @shihanpk2934 Год назад

      @@juelraj3901 im asking when we completed formulating our fragrance then we will start to sell perfumes right so if we are making perfumes for selling purposes do we have to dilute materials (other than absolutes and resinoids) or do we have to put it in pure form?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад

      When you make them to sell you can dilute before or after compounding, it’s up to you. Usually after is more convenient.

    • @vanillinchillin743
      @vanillinchillin743 Год назад +1

      Working with dilutions gets your smell closer to your final product- the one going into the bottle to sell. Smelling your aromachemicals at 100% is too strong and does not smell the same as what you spray on your body. You should have fragrance concentrate (your formula at 100%) plus perfumers alcohol. The product you sell should be somewhere between 10-20% concentrate plus 80-90% perfumers alcohol for your atomizer (or oil for roll on). The final percentage is up to you, but yes it should be diluted for selling.
      Also, if ALL of your ingredients are diluted to 20% it is the same idea as working at 100% and it is cheaper. You still get the same baseline. As you get more products, you will notice some things are just too strong and overpower your other smells. They need dilution to play nice in ur formula. Lots of math.

  • @memine4878
    @memine4878 Год назад

    Hello Sam.
    Hope you're doing great.
    I am making perfume impressions with perfume oil and alcohol, but I am facing projection issues, like after 5 minutes my perfume become body scent will you help me what should I do for increase projection/Diffusion. Thanks

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      Thank! There’s no one answer here but maybe try some of the formulas in my video on perfume bases. Many raw materials don’t last that long so you need to find the ones which do.

    • @memine4878
      @memine4878 Год назад

      @@sammacer thanks for Guidance

  • @LeonieSherif
    @LeonieSherif Год назад

    Great video! I have a question which I can never seem to find a straight forward answer to anywhere I search.. and it may seem like a silly question but I’m hoping you can help? Once I have established my perfume formula and percentages for my perfume concentrate (which includes pre diluted aroma molecules at varying percentages 1%, 10% 50%) say I’m making a 30ml edp bottle for instance and I want a high strength with 6g of perfume concentrate (which includes dilution so there’s already perfumers alcohol within that) when adding my perfumers alcohol to the mix wld it be inaccurate to assume 24 g wld be correct because essentially there’s already perfumer’s alcohol tied up in my perfume concentrate formula so is a recalculation of the raw material of actual perfume fragrance molecules needed? Sorry if this sounds obvious but i can’t seem to get a definitive explanation on this concept because if the concentration of perfume after its many trials was obtained neat it would seem so much simpler but I’m just struggling to get clarity on this notion as I’m dealing with pre diluted I pure materials (I guess what’s making it harder is I started out with the fragrance oils which I see you did too! The wrong way but it was a simple 20/80 ratio of fragrance oil to perfumers alcohol hence the math part is more complex now! Many thanks so much, love all your videos this is literally something which has been confusing me for the longest time 🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @Khazarak
    @Khazarak Год назад

    How do you feel about Atlas cedarwood?

    • @sammacer
      @sammacer  Год назад +1

      I don’t have a high quality sample but I gave my thoughts on the one I have a few years ago in this video: ruclips.net/video/g4_c3obuFPo/видео.html

    • @Khazarak
      @Khazarak Год назад

      @@sammacer Thanks man I'll give it a watch. I enjoy your content as a beginner its hardest to figure out the proportions of things and your videos and sample recipes help with that. So I appreciate you.

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    @PawanKumar-zz3rg Год назад

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  • @MuhammadWaqas-bs7nx
    @MuhammadWaqas-bs7nx Год назад

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    @MuhammadWaqas-bs7nx Год назад

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  • @ThisisFerrariKhan
    @ThisisFerrariKhan Год назад

    Thanks for all you do, it’s been cool watching you grow bruv. When I found your channel a month ago, you had 13K. 4 weeks later and you’ve gained 1600 subscribers in a week. Keep up the solid work bruv 🤌🏾