Why Ive Stopped Using Arccos Golf Revealed !
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In this honest and eye-opening video, I am excited to share with you why I have made the difficult decision to stop using Arccos Golf. As an avid golf enthusiast, I have invested significant time and effort into utilizing this popular golf tracking system. However, after thorough consideration and personal experience, I have reached a point where it no longer aligns with my golfing needs. Join me as I reveal my journey, the challenges I faced, and the reasons behind my departure from Arccos Golf.
Throughout my partnership with Arccos Golf, there were certainly notable aspects that initially drew me in. The advanced tracking technology, shot analysis, and valuable statistics appealed to my desire for data-driven improvement. However, as time went on, I started noticing certain limitations and frustrations that inhibited my overall golfing experience.
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From overly intrusive sensor setup procedures to inconsistencies in data collection, I gradually realized that the promised seamless tracking was not always so seamless. Additionally, the lack of customization options and limited compatibility with certain golf clubs hindered my ability to fully optimize my game.
Furthermore, the subscription-based model and its associated costs began to weigh heavily on my decision to continue with Arccos Golf. While I understand the need for ongoing advancements and support, the financial commitment became increasingly difficult to justify, especially when considering alternative golf tracking solutions.
However, please note that my intention is not to discourage others from using Arccos Golf. Each golfer's needs and preferences differ, and what may not work for me might be the perfect fit for someone else. This video aims to provide my honest experience and reasoning, allowing viewers to make informed decisions based on their own circumstances.
Join me as I embark on a new journey, exploring alternative golf tracking systems that align more closely with my specific requirements. Together, let's discover new ways to enhance our golfing experiences, improve our game, and ultimately find the perfect golf companion.
Thank you for your ongoing support, and stay tuned for exciting updates and insights on my quest for better golf tracking solutions!
I agree with all the positives and negatives that you explain in this review… and can understand why the product would not be as useful to a golfer of your experience. However, your review of Arccos is only from your own skill level. From my skill level (~12H) with a little work, to ensure the round details are correct, I find the insights on the strong/weak aspects of my game provided by the app are very useful tool to help me improve… And these tips are the most important aspects that app provides for my game. I have not used the app’s AI to plan my strategy on the course but can understand how it may need to improve to provide the best choices for each golfer at their unique skill level. Also, the club distances saved in the app do need to be monitored and edited to include/exclude shots. Even if the app could use the weather to determine the assistance/hindrance for each shot the app would still been need to somehow factor in the dry conditions or wet conditions affecting total distance for each club…
I think Arrcos could get to where we all want it to be in the future.
Sensors that sense every shot is the 1st must for me
Used it for about a year as well so far 3 rounds this year and zero missed shots with phone, forgot I bought the link🤦🏾♂️ found it in golf bag, see how it works next sunday🤗.. Love this tech
Hope it works for you 👍
I agree the tech is great in principle, just didn't work reliably for me with the sensors
Completely agree with your assessment. The missing shots, even with the Link, became so distracting, I decided to shelf the Arccos Caddie completely. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for the comment Bryan 👍
I literally just bought brand new Cobra Radspeeds tonight. I thought I’d try the sensors at the driving range. Got them set up and then it said…Free Trial. It didn’t tell me how long the free trial is. Or how much it costs once the free trial is over. I still don’t know how much it costs because it didn’t say. So I watched your video and I’m so thankful that I’m not signing up. I’m not a good golfer but I’m happy to get brand new clubs and go have some fun on the golf course. After watching your video I realized it’s only for the course and not for the driving range. So thankful you made this video.
Thanks for the comment.
£120 a year if I remember correctly so not cheap..
Looking forward to seeing your reviews on the watch. Putting it through its paces and seeing how useful it really is. I am seriously thinking about getting the Garmin S62 next year.
My friend has the S62 and loves it. I don't wear watches in daily life so need something not too bulky. Currently scouring the Black Friday UK offers 😁
Completely agree just purchased a set of cobra radspeed which came with sensors so tried with phone in pocket had missed shots so purchased the link which isnt cheap imo, theres a slight improvement but still misses shots. Its a great concept just a shame it doesnt work as it should
It's such a shame because as you say the concept and feedback is excellent but it relys on accuracy of gathered information and that falls down when you have so many missed shots.
Curious if you have reconsidered now (two yers later) that they have improved functionality and have an iWatch app pairing or the smart link (both work way better than just the phone in your pocket). I have both and choose to use the watch, however with both you don’t need to carry the phone. Also using the phone you can look at yardages you want to hit to and Arccos will adjust to course conditions and recommend clubs based on your historical distances. I’ve never used the virtual caddy function you wanted so no idea if that improved as I agree two years ago that was greatly flawed. Also, you average adjusted distances and can exclude shots from each club if Arccos used it in your averages.
Hey thanks for the comment.
I always liked the software and its sounds like its got better.
If someone tells me the sensors sense every shot 100% guaranteed then Im all in to try it again.
Been using arccos for about 6 months. Everything you've said is correct. Caddy is useless, I never use it. Mostly I use arccos for range and to measure hazards etc. Even then though, it's faster using a watch gps Vs reaching in my pocket and unlocking my phone to see distance. I don't use the smart distances either. If you use a club to punch a shot, it takes that distance into consideration too.
The useful things I do use is how far my drive went, how many putts I had over the round looking at my previous scores. Wish it showed what we hit previously on holes when we play the course again.
You've made me consider dumping arccos and going with a good watch though. 🤔
Arccos has so much potential which it's not anywhere delivering right now.
I've not missed it at all, I use a watch for front and middle yardages and a range finder for flag yardage.
All these gadgets are great fun and probably speed up play. But they don’t lower scores. I can still shoot my handicap with yardage markers and a little course knowledge. Great video! Thank you!
A man after my own heart 👍 #OldSkool
Great review. I understand not agreeing with the club recommendations, but did you try it or just stick to what ya used to? From my experiance the app recommends the best approach considering your actual states, not what you think they are.
It was giving me clubs that it was thinking I was strong with, mainly a 7 iron. There were times where it was trying to leave me a certain shot but I was not reaching the turn of the dogleg off the tee and leaving me behind trees. 🙈
Still needs work but has potential
@@ScratchAt50 fair enough. I may not stick with it. Works OK for me but it definitely slows us down. Add an hour easy to a Round if all 3 people are using.
Thanks for the review. Single digit handicap here. I mainly play two course and one of them has TERRIBLE cell phone reception from my provider. (I live in the middle of nowhere) So I was a little reticent anyway, as I'm sure it wouldn't pick up shots with basically zero service. The other course I play is the course I grew up on and could play in the dark and be fine. Thanks for saving me some money. Cheers.
Your most welcome, thanks for the comment 👍
my garmin S62 smartwatch does a similar thing, I could be massively wrong here, but I think its almost "too Smart"...in the sense that if your in-accurate finding fairways with a driver, it probably takes the data from the next club like a 3 wood and figures that you hit that club straighter, and based on the hole layout (tight fairway) that's why it recommends that?? again could be wrong, for me the best value and features of these gadgets are -> A) how far do you hit each club B) what is the layout of the holes you are on ie is there a bunker round the bend or water on the right. C) how far out am i. D) a digital score tracker so i can view my rounds and keep all my scores.
Agreed, they are good for finding out how far you hit your clubs which is great but I have my launch monitor for that which gives me that and many more metrics.
My 7i goes 138yrds. As a matter of fact on Feb 26th 2022 which was exactly a week ago, I hit a Hole in one on the 8th hole par 3 @137yds at Ewa Beach Golf Course, (course 69.1/slope 130) My 1st in 25yrs of golfing. And I'm 52yr old so I don't swing as hard as I used too (too old, lol). So I'm not quite understanding what you mean by a 7i not going 138 yrds. Anyway, thank you for a great review, saved me time and money because I was looking at purchasing these sensors. I like to use the "Grint" app to track my play & keep my score.
Hi.
Wow a hole in one 💥💥
A 7 iron was way too much club and on that line there was a massive tree in my way 🙈.
@@ScratchAt50 ahhhhhh, ok. Now I see what you are saying, yes, back in the day I would have probably used a PW instead of that 7i, 🤣🤣🤣.
Would be helpful to show the data of how you've played these holes in previous rounds. You should log a few rounds playing with the caddies suggestions for every hole and then see if your score improves. Its all data driven so I would assume it is looking at everything, whether you hit certain clubs left/right, how far you hit them, angle of approach, etc... and comparing that data against the hole layout. I see this system working great for a VERY CONSISTENT ball striker. I don't see this working well for someone who has a fairly large dispersion in their ball striking.
I just found it giving some very odd suggestions.
Once it told me to hit a 5iron off the tee on a par 4 to leave me a 7 iron to the green but I didn't get to the corner of the dog leg which meant I was blocked out by trees.... Defo needs some work
I’m in agreement with yardage and the variables of outside distances. However, how to you adjust for your inside hitting on a machine? Do you add a percentage to your yardages that are hit via inside?
I get my launch monitor yardages that are very accurate to outside very still conditions. On the LM you can set your altitude and temperature settings..
Just on the distances seeming short Arccos knows the wind and barometric pressure based on weather radar in the area so in the Caddie numbers you're actually getting the number adjusted for wind. In one of your pics you were into a 17MPH head wind. That can easily knock 35-40 yards off
Can see what your saying but there were multiple instances where the smart caddie just didn't work. One time it told me to hit a 5 iron off the tee when I would normally hit 3 wood and it didn't get me to the corner of the dog leg and I was blocked out by trees, Arrcos didn't even the trees were there.
My main issues were the sensors not working and the smart caddie being rubbish. On the distances it was pretty good
Would you recommend using it if it’s just in your driver? Looking at the Ping which is included in grip. Especially for a mid/high handicapper to improve.
If its your driving is the part of your game you really need to improve then I suppose so yes, there is less chance of 1 sensor not picking up shots. Subscription for 1 club is quite expensive though but if it ends up really helping your game and handicap then money we'll spent
@@ScratchAt50 ok thanks for your help.
You can’t use it with just the driver sensor, it needs the putter sensor to work.
Great review. I love my Arccos system. But I ignore tee shot recommendations on 4s and 5s. The preview caddie is not great either. You can pick a tee box but it doesn’t adjust the info at the top. So that yardage is a bad guess quite often. I think where the Caddie feature shines is approach shots during a live round. If I execute it’s always spot on. Missed shots went away once I got an Apple Watch Series 6. My phone stays in the cart. Arccos is almost there. I’m sticking with it.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks for the review. Does it tell you swing speeds or anything?
No nothing swing related at all.
2023 - one can spend less non subscription money for very same data. Golf watch and a couple of visits to a Top Tracer range does the job for me. Then it’s just course management with those stats. 👍🏼
Yes there are so many ways with technology now to know your game inside out
Couldn't agree more. Great concept, just not there yet. I tried it out for half a season last year. Now the subscription is up to 150 a year and we only get about 5 months here. I have a free GPS and a memory that works for free.
Thanks Jeff, yeah if they iron out all the issues I would consider using it again..
Wait, at 9:06, it shows the hole at 496 yds Par 4 and recommends a 3w 227yd + another 3w at 206 yds, forgive me if my math is off but that adds up to 433 yds, leaving a short pitch and roll for a 66 yd shot. Am I missing something?
No your right it doesn't make sense 🙈
Awesome review. Exactly the kind of Pros / Cons I was looking for!
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This is one of the best reviews that I've seen. The most important revelation was that the strokes-gained stats don't tell you what you don't already know. For the price, the sensor accuracy better be almost perfect. If you have to spend a lot of time to edit your round after you finish, the value is gone. Thanks for saving me from a purchase that I would have regretted.
@@sdbluemanthe problem I had is I couldn’t wait until after the round to reconcile the shots, because I’d not be certain exactly what I did on each hole but, most importantly, I couldn’t use it for on-course GPS distances.
Also not renewing for the same reasons. My last game Arccos partially picked up 10 holes then nothing. Playing public courses you don't have time to continually fiddle with your phone between holes. I've tried it with the phone and the link and there's no difference.
That's the most frustrating thing isn't it David, so much potential but it just doesn't work as seamlessly as it should..
Was an early adopter of this technology and was quick to recommend. But the value I gained was early in using the system. The main thing I got from it was an accurate understanding of just how far I was NOT hitting each club. Sobering. But I also picked up a garmin 20 for wick look at front, center, back becasue I wanted that data st a glance and not have to use my phone every shot. Garmin has “measure last shot” feature and it is great. It does what I want. Arcoss did not pick up every shot. Had to constantly add shots even with the link device. I’m done with it.
Agree 100%, like all tracking systems its good for finding out your club yardages as they are always different to what you think.
I went through the same process and all the early promise was replaced by continual disappointment.
I've been using Arccos for years and there can be problems but I don't think it's exactly the sensors that are the issue as you kept saying. I think the issue is in using it with certain android phones. I have used it with an HTC, a Samsung and now and apple phone. They make no bones about it that it works best on Apple since all their phones are essentially the same, where as with Android I believe they find it harder because each phone is different in terms of OS/UI and there is great variance in the hardware too.
That being said, I rarely had big issues with missing shots on any of my phones. It does miss a few but it's usually a flop shot or greenside bunker shot where there isn't a 'normal' impact sound. The putting does often need adjusted but I'm not sure if thats because it picks up me taking a practice swing while waiting for others to putt or if its tapping down pitchmarks etc but I can deal with that. I don't find it misses short ones as you found.
I use the Link now (bought it so I wasn't using phone battery and didn't need a clunky phone in my pocket) and it makes it easier for me. Clip it on my pocket and then play. I easily get in the habit of pushing the button as I pick my ball out the hole to mark the location.
I think, for the most part, the distances are pretty accurate (wedges not as much but then we aren't really hitting them full very often anyway) and over long spells the wind impact etc balances out. The caddy is not good and I don't use it but I also don't think it's aimed a low players. Higher handicappers seem to benefit from it. While I do like it, I would also point out that I got it several years ago when it was a one off payment and I got the link on pre-order which was also much cheaper. I wouldn't pay £100/year or whatever for it now, I'd just be going for the shotscope version.
Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed comment 👍
I used it with 2 different phones, you could be right of course.
I just got fed up with it and it started to negatively impact my rounds.
I have always said though if they got it working flawlessly it could be great.
Seen many comments of people moving across to shot scope on RUclips and forums.
So it sounds like this could be good for someone like me who is just starting out?
Well the sensors don't sense all of the shots whether you have played the game for years or just starting.
It can be very helpful when it works.
Have a look at the shot scope option as well.
Thanks for a brilliant review. Very informative and useful.
Your most welcome Mathias 👍
Well mine is no longer working. Keeps telling me my putter not connected and it will not let me play the round. I won't be using any more either. To much trouble
The sensors not working is the biggest issue they need to resolve,
I have a set of radspeeds with the sensor grips, they sent me extra sensors for the rest of my bag and I haven’t noticed it missing shots. Misses putts as expected, but it always picks up my clubs when I grab them and is picking up swings 95% of the time.
Great 👍
Very far from the experience I had unfortunately
Agree with what your saying.. I found same thing and stopped using arccos. However..... im back using it but im not using it for the caddie at all. Reason ill be using it is because say im playing a 36 hole scratch comp, It will be really handy for me to see how i can play better in the second round, as personally i wont be able to remember my drive on each hole, so i wont remember is im missing left or right that day, sounds silly but i genuinly wont remember individual shots as im mentally stronger on the course now as never think of past shots, i just play the next shot. So say im missing left, ill just move my target 10 yards right on the second round. ill then look at my GIR misses... if im short ill then use the back of green yardage in the second round. Same as you, ill know my carry yardages as im a 2.7 index. I also use DECADE golf strategy so i believe in that for planning the way ill play a course. But arccos will give me that feedback after the first round on how i could potentially save a couple of shots on the second round as ill know my tendancies for that day, as i am only human and maybe i have lost a couple of mph that day. To be fair to arcoss we are not necessarily their audience as we already know how to play the game smart. For a beginner or high handicapper i think its great as they can show a pro their stats and they can get a real plan together as its obvious from stats whether its long or shot game that's hurting them most or if it is poor management. Overall i dont think its ever going to hurt anyones game and will be better than nothing for nearly everyone who takes the gamer seriously. i think something like DECADE is best for game strategy but arccos is very good at giving the post round data and SG info. My friend has used arccos for years and it only every takes him 2 to 3 minutes post round to do his edits. i dont even notice him doing it. I did have a S62 as well but i didnt like playing with a watch. I also forgot to tell it which club i hit often so nothing is perfect. Unless your on tour and can just go on shot link.
I think Arccos is a great concept not quite executed at 100%, I'm sure they will crack it eventually and I will be happy to have another look at it.
Have to say I've not missed it since I stopped 🤔🤔
@@ScratchAt50 yes I don't think I would say I missed it but I'm after such marginal gains now I just need something that could save me 1 or 2 shots. I've learnt alot over the winter about course management and now feel some of the stats in arccos could help me learn some of my weak tendancies. And I want to know where I'm losing strokes gained against other low handicappers. So knowing something as simple as I'm missing short right alot could be that 1 shot that gets me into the 1.somethings. my account is old so still has me down for no subscription anyway. If I wasn't on a old account so needed a subscription I wouldn't have got it again as I wouldnt want the yearly fee. But say I was off 9ish and wanted to get to 5. It could certainly speed that up. The stats of 5 shots dropped are like from 20 handicap to 15. So a 25% reduction. So maybe it might help me knock 0.7 off my index which is the same 25% but that's still a huge reduction at this level. My goal is to simply get as low as possible so I can play in as many scratch events as I can without being balloted out so anything that helps get into the 1s is worth a try. Not like I'll ever win the comps. I just enjoy playing good courses at reduced rates :)
Good luck with your goals Ben, I made the big jump to my maximum potential when I started to research golf psychology and was better mentally on the course.
@@ScratchAt50 thanks, you too. DECADE has definitely helped with accepting any shot on the course as it's made me realise we need realistic expectations as we all have dispersion patterns and we are better at missing a target than hitting it. Also using CBD oil from golfers CBD and it's actually really hard to get annoyed at shots now as my mind just won't let me. I've never been so relaxed. And it shows, I've just got back from St Andrews even in Gail force winds had very respectful scores as it didn't get to me. Also read Zen golf and golf is not a game of perfect recently and again, they make you realise what's happened has happened. Just play the next shot and move on.
Agree with regard to the caddie system. Although I do intend to play a round where I hit the shot it tells me every time just to see how that works out.
Overall I do like and enjoy the system. Yes, occasional missed shots but I’m happy to edit.
Hi Richard
I may have been unlucky with my sensors but I'd have at least 30% of my shots not picked up.
Like I said in the video if this improves in the future with guaranteed 100% sensor effectiveness I would consider getting back on board
I used Garmin watch linked to my club sensors and it great
I have my own distances and prefer them. I have arcoss but find it distracting at times.
Thanks for the comment..
Yes I've got my carry distances to hand and have not missed Arcoss at all..
Yes shot tracking is great but can be distracting.
I am testing another system right now that works well IMO.
Video coming soon
Your not looking at the wind, as across tacks wind and other conditions into consideration.
The sensors not working was the main reason, not missed it at all since I stopped using it
I just want it to learn the ranges of my clubs. New player. I have no idea what my distances are.
Yes all the tracking systems like arccos can do that for you in a relatively short amount of time.
Look at Shot Scope as well 👍
@@ScratchAt50 thanks!
Got a free set with my new Ping driver. Lasted 4 rounds with them and stoped using them, I found the app absolutely awful, it kept crashing whilst on course and became a distraction. I have just brought the new Shotscope H4 with tags, much better system for tracking your game and the app is better too and provides the same statistics Arrcos does, for a more cost effective price.
I will take a look at the shotscope options.. Thanks for the comment
It's the yearly subscription that made me go for shotscope instead of arcoss. It's valuable information but not really a game changer as such.
Yes I've been looking at shot scope recently, like the look of their new Rangefinder 👍. Thanks for the comment Robert 👌
You might want to give the Garmin CT10s a go. Meant to be much more accurate and will pick up 99% of your shots.
Only downside is you need to have a garmin watch for GPS, which is an added cost.
I will take a look Tom.
Thanks for the comment..
@@ScratchAt50 I've got them. Debating switching. They pick up clubs well, but the batteries die pretty quickly. The biggest issue for me though is the data just isn't very comprehensive enough.
@@cpipes91 what are you thinking of switching to Charles?
@@ScratchAt50 torn between the arccos or shotscope. That said, might stay put as well.
@@cpipes91 did you end up switching?
the app is accounting for wind. you are not. in some of your screenshots, you are hitting into a 17 mph headwind. of course, it's going to tell you that your 7-iron is going to go less distance into that wind. details.
It's not for me.
Smart caddie is not very smart and sensors kept failing on every round.
Has potential but not fulfilling it just yet..
Much prefer using a range finder and knowing my exact carry distances through my launch monitor..
Looks like 138 is to the front???
I firmly believe the system has great stats feedback when sensors work but the smart caddie is flawed..
Anybody else have the problem of hearing the high pitched frequencies noises from the arccos sensors?
Please let me know
I didnt personally come across this.
Ye I read that somewhere else too. Apparently younger people can hear a high pitch noise
SOMEONE TELL ME WHY ARCCOS APP REQUIRES CONSTANT LOCATION TRACKING EVEN WHEN NOT PLAYING GOLF???
🤔🤔🤔🤔
Can't help you with that one
I have it set to when I'm only using the app and it works fine but im on Iphone
@@EHUDPOWER check it because the update requires it to track you all the time. If you change it to only when playing it won’t work. I called ARCCOS and they said that’s how it is. You may think it’s only when playing but if you can open the app and start playing it is tracking you 24 hours a day.
What phone is that?
Samsung Z Fold 2
I use shotscope, I’d say it misses a bout 3-4 shots around, takes 5 mins to review. Won’t be far out.
Told me a tonne of stuff as a hacker 10…shocking putter within 10 feet, better than scratch on the greens from further out.
I use the Shot Scope G3 as a GPS watch, it's very good value for money. 👍
This seems more difficult than using a gps on your watch wtf lmao
You can actually pair it with a smart watch for yardages if you wish to but still have the sensors not sensing shots problem
Yes but the gps doesn’t give you the immense amount of data that Arccos system does
Thought you stopped using it due to their shady business tactics and mimicking decade golf
But Decade works flawlessly 🤔🤔
System is garbage.my approach s62 does it and is super accurate and you don’t have to have phone in your pocket
Sounds better...
For the info that U get I would think a quick 2 minute edit for a couple shots wouldn’t be that big of a deal when ur round is done ur gona be sitting there on ur phone anyways jus cuz u cnt get an exact down to the inch spot a few yards here or there isnt gona make that big of a difference so I don’t see wat the big deal is and u can bag all ur clubs on ur fancy track man all u want u get out on a windy day those yardages arnt goin to me jack eh idk I find that ur review is very biased and kind of ridiculous cuz of a couple of faults and there not even massive faults like it crashes all the time or something of that standard ur talking about a couple of missed shots and a couple of recommendations from a virtual caddy and u make it seem like this thing is the worse thing in the world very egotistical review in my opinion
Thanks for your comment.
These were just a few examples of continuous wrong info from the virtual caddie. On multiple occasions on short par 4s it was telling me to hit a 5iron off the tee to leave a 7 iron to the green because my 7 iron stats were good when the play was a lofted hybrid to leave a Wedge..
It's just not quite there yet as a complete package in my opinion and I've been better off without it utilising my own course strategy
And I wish it was missing a couple of shots, on average it was missing around 10-15 shots per round. That's around17- 20% of the time it's not working which needs to be better
Using phone data a big no no
You clearly do not understand SGA 🤔🥴
It was the constant failure of the sensors which was the biggest reason for stopping.
The smart caddie that I hoped would be an amazing feature turned out to be very disappointing.
I've not missed it since stopping..
such a gimmick. glad i never went through with it. love the woods though
I've not missed it..