Is Specialization BROKEN? - Hunter X Hunter Analysis
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Is Specialization BROKEN??? Well... kind of, but probably not in the way you think! As far as I'm concerned, the Nen system in indisputably the most deep and well-made power system of any anime/manga I've watched/read, however, even it is not without its minute faults. That's what we're here explore in this video!
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Kurapika's 100% is just a mini Adult Gon; sacrificing Life Force for more power. I do agree though that Specialists are the most likely to have their own unique rate of distribution, but not to the point that they get 100% in all for free without tradeoffs. If Enhancers are the most likely to have the biggest potential to increase their Lifespan, then Specialists are the most likely to shorten theirs. This makes Gon's sacrifice even crazier when we look back at this.
Oooh, I can't say there's anything concrete to back that up , but I definitely like it from a thematic standpoint. Netero's advanced age, yet retained capacity for battle (to say the least) would definitely add to your point.
Just adding that kurapika's emperor time is not 100% in the other nen categories, he actually get as if he had trained the other categories to his current max, there is a part of the manga that explains it better
the fact that chrollo could defend himself agaisnt silva's attack while kurapica got his arm brocken by uvogin could be explained by the fact that chrollo is a more experienced and proficient figther than kurapica, at least at that point in the story, I doubt that kurapica had enough time to master advanced nen figthing techniques like Ken, Ko or Ryu, kurapica probably was just using Ten to defend himself and that's why he got his arm destroyed by a single punch, on the other hand chrollo could have been using Ken, Ryu or even Ko to defend agisnt Silva's punches more efectively despite of his lack of proficiency in enhancement.
You summed it up pretty well why I always had a problem with specialization on the Nen chart. When I tried to make a power system chart more in line with my personal logic, the only improvement that I could make to Nen was scrap the specialization type (replace it with another category) and make a 7th type in the middle of the chart to symbolize that specialization can rely on all categories but fundamentally falls outside of the system and represents more of a direct manifestation of the user (which is why I called it Manifestation in my own system)
Do you have a personal series you're making this power system chart for, or is it HunterXHunter?
@@snapeinvader6208 Its a personal series, but it made me understand Nen a whole lot more.
I'm trying to differentiate it from HxH, but there isn't a whole lot to improve with Nen.
What would be a good category to replace specializations position?
@@lucasgroubert I replaced it with a category called "Generation/Generator" which solely focuses on generating Nen. Basically everything that has a condition to give the user more Nen would fall into the category, like Feitan's Pain Packer for example.
Naturally, since it doesn't exist in HxH there aren't a lot of abilities that would fall into this category, but I've used it quite a lot for my own lore.
@@x10018ro ooh veeeery interesting! That also nerfs categories like emitter enhancer and transmuter though, which kinda need it, imo
It's interesting what you bring up here. I believe that it's okay for Specialization users to be there because many skills we saw required conjuring something (Neon's pen, Chrollo's book, Pitou's Doctor Blythe) or manipulating them (Alluka's wishes seems to manipulate everything to become a wish a reality).
And well, I don't want to spoil the manga, but recently there has been a continuous need on the series in order to sub-classify each Nen Ability. There's a big possibility that the model we know is just a very big simplification of what we originally saw, and as you mention, people that steal abilities are prone to have a different balancing of each category. Look at Leol, Chrollo and Meruem, whom are prone to go fighting. And we saw that even at the water divination test, the common behaviors of the water might change even if you are on a normal category: Killua made water sweeter, Hisoka made it sticky (although that's on the Hisoka gaiden story which we don't know if it's cannon).
And we also have to take into account the common aura abilities into it in order to manipulate aura, like Ten, Zetsu, Ren, and their applications (Kou, Shu, Gyo, etc.). It's true that Enhancers will be better at this, but every Nen user can learn these and use them in fight. You compared Kurapika Vs. Uvogin and Chrollo Vs. Zeno And Silva and I think that the biggest difference on that fight might be that Kurapika was a newcomer in Nen whereas Chrollo is a very experienced user, meaning that Chrollo might now how to apply his aura properly in order to defend himself, whereas Kurapika was still a newbie on that aspect, and he could get by with Uvo's punch thanks to amplyfiyng Enhancement potency to the max with (Broken but badass) Emperor Time.
In any case, those are some thoughts that I had on the fly while I saw the vid. Have to review everything closer because Nen is extremely complex and Togashi should write a science book about it XD
Thanks for the feedback! I'm going to take it paragraph by paragraph:
1. Exactly, but that's the thing, does someone like Pitou actually utilize Manipulation when controlling other people (even Knov thought he/she was a Manipulator) or is it all in fact still Specialization simply emulating the properties of Manipulation? I do not believe we have a clear answer on this issue due to the reasons stated in the video, but I may very well be overlooking something or another.
2. Do you mean by this that there're perhaps further divisions in nen typology apart from the six categories? All of the subtypes mentioned in the current arc mostly have to do with Hatsu classification, which by its nature is subservient to the basic nen typology. Perhaps togashi will introduce something, but I do not believe that will answer this particular quandary, as the issue of Specialists being able to fully utilize the acquisitioned abilities would still stand (presumably, who knows).
3. I thought about this as well, but forgot to mention it as one of the arguments, good catch. Personally I'd still think it improbable that Chrollo wouldn't even be bruised. While his Nen is definitely much more developed than Kurapika's, I'd say they'd be more or less on the same footing in that regard when Kurapika's 20% higher affinity and maxed out potency in Enhancement is taken into account.
Aah, with how long these comments get I often feel like I'm writing another script. Hope what I'm saying makes sense.
@@theoverthinker348
"Exactly, but that's the thing, does someone like Pitou actually utilize Manipulation when controlling other people (even Knov thought he/she was a Manipulator) or is it all in fact still Specialization simply emulating the properties of Manipulation? I do not believe we have a clear answer on this issue due to the reasons stated in the video, but I may very well be overlooking something or another."
I mean it's quite obviously manipulation, a Nen user with insane amounts of aura like Pitou can venture into other areas of Nen with decent potency, remember she has 700k aura units compared to a typical Nen master who is around 70k, she has more than enough aura to spare to match a natural master manipulator despite only have an 80% affinity for it, she can only be beat in that area by a manipulator at her level like Pouf.
So in the eyes of someone like Knov who has never seen Nen users of that caliber it would be natural to assume that he is facing a manipulator.
"as the issue of Specialists being able to fully utilize the acquisitioned abilities would still stand"
We don't know that for sure, remember all the abilities Chrollo has used to a high level were all adjacent to his category of Nen, he has an 80% affinity for them and is a high level Nen user.
"I thought about this as well, but forgot to mention it as one of the arguments, good catch. Personally I'd still think it improbable that Chrollo wouldn't even be bruised. While his Nen is definitely much more developed than Kurapika's, I'd say they'd be more or less on the same footing in that regard when Kurapika's 20% higher affinity and maxed out potency in Enhancement is taken into account."
We don't actually know if Chrollo was really bruised in the areas he was punched as he is wearing a suit, we do know that he was brushed in other areas for sure.
@@theoverthinker348 5:15: Nah, totally wrong.
Specialists definetly are
exactly where you'd think. They use Conjuration and Manipulation
at exaclty 80%.
There is no valid Reason not to think that and also:
Chrollo literally used Conjuration and Manipuolation or both together
in his FIght against Hisoka,
which is obviously no Coincidence.
Better correct that idea of yours.
Specialists aren't OP IMO. They are the furthest from enhancement which really sucks and their adjacent options usually result in being part of their hatsu and giving them not real advantage like being next to enhancement does.
Also having the 0% specialization leaving you down an 80% in the case of conjurers and manipulators is not an inconsistency. At best it's something you don't like, which, whatever.
for your three reasons for why the canon distribution for specialization is wrong, let's go through it:
1: All the abilities that steal other abilities require the victim to be alive, without exception. In these cases, the user is not copying those abilities they are STEALING them. The victim can not use their stole hatsu. So the fact that a stolen ability is used with the same efficiency as the original user makes sense. It's being used as it the original user was using it. Therefore, if Chrollo stole an Emitter's hatsu that (for whatever reason) was completely conjuration... Chrollo would not be using it at 100% or even his native 80%, but at the victim's efficiency of 40%.
2: The fight against the Zoldycks had Chrollo using expensive weapons and poison, playing defensively, trying to buy time for his real win condition (Illumi killing the 10 dons) to end the fight. He needed to simply use a high value Ryu and/or Ken to survive the attacks. We see in the death match later in the manga between Chrollo and Hisoka that Chrollo refused to fight him physically, running away and only attacking him when he knew Hisoka could not hit him back. Because Hisoka has 80% enhancement, while Chrollo only has 40%. This is also why Chrollo always has two allies with him at a minimum at all times. He is fragile for his level of power, he's just very high tier in power. You are only thinking about the percentages of the people involved and not the individual factors like his tactics or how much aura any of these people have when compared to one another. Also FYI, the armwestling ranking between the phantom troupe is not counting aura, that's an easily fact to google.
3: Yes, they could hypothetically have a lot of options, but in reality they either don't or they stole a bunch of abilities which is a series of fulfilling conditions to do, making the advantage earned. If you were equal in aura to Chrollo you could fold him like a pretzel. The real issue is that Togashi doesn't give us many weak specialists. Binolt is the only one. You can't look at Chrollo and Kurapika who are very powerful and have strong conditions and then compare them to the average nen users from other categories.
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You are dead wrong. Specialization is whatever the other 5 categories don't cover. Saying they can 'emulate the other 5 categories' is literally the only thing they can not do.
People always calling Specialist OP, but forget Binolt.
A main point of this video, and the channel in general, is to spark discourse. I like discussing things with people and going in deep on various aspects of the media I consume. When I get a comment as long as yours, I usually go over it a few times and then attempt to answer each point as best I can. However, your extremely condescending attitude does not warrant a genuine attempt at discourse.
For anyone else reading this and interested in what I think about the points raised, however, I'll just say I for the most part do not agree.
"Chrollo would not be using it at 100% or even his native 80%, but at the victim's efficiency of 40%."
I'm not sure about that the ability is in Chrollo's hands, therefore the affinity will change accordingly, the affinity is not dependent on the ability but the Nen type the user falls into.
Essentially the ability would be more efficient in Chrollo's hands as its very nature becomes different.
"If you were equal in aura to Chrollo you could fold him like a pretzel"
Only if you are an enhancer in a physical fight.
Agreed with everything else you said, for some reason people completely forget about the aura amount of a person.
(+@@AndrewManook) I have a feeling that Chrollo does indeed retain his victims’ nen abilities at their potency. Not his.
If what you say is true, then his stolen enhancement abilities, that is if he has any, would be much weaker.
@@mariksebastianishtar207 The thing is that specialist is just out of the norm. Chrollo requires a crazy amount of conditions to steal the ability and then use the ability as well as the user did. And we had weak specialists suck as Komugi or Neon. Chlorro's power is not really hax, it's just that he is so smart and talented that he can use it to a such great extent. Also, Kurapica is literally losing his lifespan while using his specialist ability. The only real hax specialist power is actually Nanika with the wish. Others are not really as much hax. Kurapica would have hax power if not for the crazy amount of burden it puts on his body.
We don't have nearly enough info about the chrolla zoldick fight to make conclusions. Early on in the fight was before the point Ren was seemingly used as part of their fighting, as we see it specifically highlight when chrollo and zeno activated theirs. Further more, even if you don't believe that, we don't know the amounts of nen being used in the early potions of the fight, as the distribution was never viable. It's quite possible chrollo was blocking with gyo, and silva was simply using ren (or ten) at this point.
As for the nen stealing abilities, I think the answer comes from the fact they are stealing, or borrowing the nen from their opponent. The reason it works exactly like the original users nen is because it IS the original users nen, that's been sealed within the technique. Kurapikas ability would be the most obvious example of this.
Theres actually a fair bit of reasoning to suggest specialists have only 40% in enhancement. When fighting zeno, chrollo states he cant block zenos attack and therefore makes no attempt to. In his fight with Hisoka, Chrollo does his best to avoid every direct attack from hisoka. Pakanoda is the biggest example though, having a broken arm after being attacked by Killua. Killua is strong sure, but his nen shouldn't have been anywhere on the level of hers.
Specialists following its placement on the nen hexagon is still the explanation that makes the most sense. Why would kurapika bothered making emperor time otherwise?
It seems more like specialization and emission are far extremes of personality. You can view it as a range of will relative to the self and the world around you. Emission as a preoccupation with yourself and the literal world and specialization as an obsession with the abstract or a singular external force. So it's more that emission is something everyone can do since everyone has a preoccupation with themselves, as we all have bodies that we use. But specialization is the radical end of the spectrum. Since specialists have particular focuses, their power becomes absurdly specific and unique but sometimes worthless outside of that one concern. So they aren't getting the same proficiency, literally, because the range of how they apply nen is as narrow as the ranges of their own concerns. The other nen categories are just split paths leading to the same end of the spectrum of self vs obsession. There's a better way of putting that but I'm typing on my phone, so....
Iiiiinteresting, let me parse that: So, Emission is objective and external, while Specialization is subjective and internal, correct? And they're opposites? Hmm, I see your point about Specialization, but wouldn't Conjuration actually be the most "objective" and "external" force? As in, you're literally manifesting something from your own mind into the real world - to such an "objective" extent that it can be seen by everyone, not just Nen users. Furthermore, to materialize something an object (to be fair Togashi has moved away from simple materialization quite a few years ago, but this still seems the most prototypical use of it), you need to spend time with the object and get to know all of its properties as much as your five senses will allow you. It seems one most be extremely in-tune to the objective reality (as much as possible through the subjective channels of our available sensory organs) in order to actually effectively utilize the Category.
I do appreciate and agree with the point of Specialization being "specialized" for specific tasks more than other categories in general, but not necessarily. Chrollo has by faaaar the most flexible and all-encompassing hatsu in the series since he has access to, I'm assuming, dozens of different abilities. Though, I guess it's not the hatsu itself, which indeed is very specialized, as much as its products (or realized potential). And, on the other hand, Feitan's Raising Sun, can and is meant to do only one thing: fry everything in a general vicinity.
Hope this makes sense. Still drinking my "morning" coffee while typing this, so head's not cleared yet.
@@theoverthinker348 I only mean that in a strictly personality sense. That is, the way the user prioritizes themselves vs their life goals. I guess a good way of looking at it is someone who's only focused on themselves and what they want (emission) vs someone who's irrationally willing to die for something they believe in (specialist).
Like every way of looking at Nen, I don't think that fits very cleanly though. There are so many exceptions to every rule you could make. But the way Togashi described how some people develop into becoming specialists made me think about why everyone has emission, but specialization is something you either don't have at all - or barely - until you're completely dedicated to it. I figured if Nen is tied to personality, it must be the result of a personality shift, and a shift in goals.
I think you're looking too much into it tbh, a high level specialist such as Chrollo should be able to block attacks from high level transmuters like Silva and Zeno, remember they only have 80% affinity for enhancement, also they didn't use their most powerful physical attacks against Chrollo whereas Uvo did with Kurapika, hence the latter got his arm broken but not completely destroyed.
For the most part Silva and Zeno were using normal punches against Chrollo, specialist can also attack like enhancers if they are of a sufficiently high enough level, like Pitou and especially Meruem.
Typically human specialists are not really brawny with the only exception of Benjamin so they tend to avoid physical confrontation as much as possible like Chrollo did with Hisoka.
Also Neon's ability is a specialist one so it makes sense that Chrollo can use it to its full potential, as for Owls conjurer ability we never saw Chrollo use it other than to deflect a few attacks which is not its intended use, but with 80% affinity for manipulation and conjuration a high level specialist Nen user can use it pretty well to the point where you would struggle to see much of a difference between how Chrollo uses it and how Owl (Who is low level conjurer mind you) uses it.
I don't think specialist are really an aberration tbh, they follow the standard Nen rules for the most part and fit into the system.
That makes sense if it’s more their efficiently for a given type because kurapika did want to be an enhancer and emperor time is just enhancing his effectiveness for a given category
I think Specialist having only 40% afinity of Enhancement is more or less confirmed in the Fight of Hisoka vs Chrollo. Because Chrollo was landing hits on vital parts of Hisoka's body, he could continue fighting with little proble. Because he is 40% more keen to Enhancement.
It depends. hisoka aura is more or less condensed with in himself but chorollo use most of his aura into his different ability he used in the fight leaving him with less aura to work with in defence and attack.
I agree that also makes sense, but then it contradicts some other feats. As Chrollo not only blocking punches from Silva, the same Silva that can jump from sky and one shoted Cheetu, but also receiving no damage from Zeno's nen dragon. The same nen dragon that can be transformed into dive dragon, able to destroy an entire palace. The same Zeno that made Pitou sharpening her all 6 senses at maximum when he felt it. That's, absolutely insane feat.
You're actually pretty spot on with the idea that Specialist has a rather unique potency/effectiveness for other category and they can "emulate" these potency/effectiveness in other category. I think its a pretty interesting concept to make some characters has a rather unique ability that is wild rather than always have ability that we can absolutely fully breakdown. I have some other points that want to talk about
1. While at first I can understand your confusion on how Chrollo manage to block Silva's attack while Kurapika can't against Uvo even tho Silva should be able to use Enhancement quite efficiently, you need to remember that there're also aura number that Knuckle's point out. Compared to Chrollo, Kurapika just learned nen in about half a year and the reason why he looks so strong is because of the limitation in his ability. Chrollo on the other hand already know nen for years (presumably), so the idea that he is able to block Silva's attack isn't necessarily that wild.
2. Imo the way that Specialization "emulate" these other category's potency/effectiveness is with vow and limitation, and honestly this is how all other category do it when they want to create an ability that does not strictly use their own category. I believe that vow and limitation will increase potency/effectiveness of one's own category and other category that is being needed to use their ability/hatsu. So for example is Genthru's ability "countdown", it is a Conjuration based, but he need to separate the conjured bomb so he need to invoke Emission, he also need to use Manipulation for "automatically explode when the timer finished counting down" or if the wants to manually explode it through release with Sub and Bara. He is able to do these things because of the limitation/conditions he puts in his ability. Genthru is a Conjurer, so he needs to increase his Emission capability in order to have good potency/effectiveness to separate it from his body. That's what Izunavi said about "vow and limitation increase nen power".
3. I and a friend of mine come with a rather interesting concept. The ability to "steal" or "acquire" other ability isn't necessarily a Specialization based but more of Manipulation+Emission based. I know its weird/unbelievable considering that as far as we see, those who have stealing ability are on the Specialization category, but since Specialization itself isn't a "nen category"/"exist outside of nen category" its not necessarily untrue for this to be the case, here's how it works. You emit your aura (with Emission) and also put Manipulation into it, you choose a target and your aura attach itself to the target, your aura then "grab" the target's aura (and their ability), after that you reattach your aura+your target's aura back into yourself, thus you can use their ability. Of course this cannot happen without a harsh vow and limitation since this kind of ability is a high level ability as you said it.
I dont see a single Point where hes spot-on.
Even if we didnt see how Speicialists iwth a Stealing-Abiltiy always WANT
to mainly steal Conjuration and Manipulation Hatsu,
we still know this video here is b.s.
Specialists are the Physically Weakest,
because they are far away from Enhancement.
"HHe also need to use Manipulation for "aautomatically explode when the timer finished counting down" or if the wants to manually explode it through release with Sub and Bara."
No, Manipulation and the Word automatic oppose each other.
1. Good point, however, were the standard distribution to apply Chrollo would've been at 40% potency with Enhancement, while Kurapika at 100% during Emperor Time. This, plus his heightened emotions during his battle with Uvogin definitely would've lead to him being at a much greater level than his baseline at the time. What you say has merit and could indeed be the case, it just doesn't jibe with me that Chrollo took a direct punch from a physical powerhouse like Silva and incurred minimal to no damage, while Kurapika got his entire arm crushed.
2. Not quite how Conjuration works, I'd say. For countdown he needs to touch the target (and say "bomber"), if I remember correctly. There's no need for Emission in that case. Emission is only required to separate and sustain Nen that is separate from the regular flow of Nen around one's body. Conjured objects are physical objects while Conjured, so Emission isn't required to sustain them. If that were the case, Conjuration as a category would be reliant on Emission, and it wouldn't make sense for them to be two distinct and independent categories such as is portrayed.
3. Specialization is weirdly defined, and while I do not 100% agree, I see your point. The only problem is that it normally affects category proficiency distribution, and is therefore an existing category in the diagram.
@@theoverthinker348
1. I do still think its not necessarily that huge of a surprise. Kurapika's emperor time only increase his potency, not necessarily his entire aura output. Chrollo being a more skillful nen user than Kurapika thus able to output higher amount of aura is reasonable to block that Silva's attack. Silva also mentioned that Chrollo's physical capability has increased since they last met, so yeah.
2. Well yeah, but Emission is the basic ability to separate aura from one's body, no matter whether you touch a target or not. This is also the reason why I think all aura or objects created from aura (through Transmutation or Conjuration) need Emission. I mean, if Conjuration does not require Emission at all to separate the object from their body, it would be too OP for them. I mean, imagine being a Conjurer that able to Conjure a pistol and shot bullets without worrying about Emission, it would make Emission a much weaker category while it shouldn't be the case imo.
I also have the same thought as you regarding Conjuration and Emission that it wouldn't make sense for them to be so far away from each other. But the more I think about it the more I think it balances the categories. Lots of Conjurer doesn't necessarily separate their conjured objects away from themselves. Kurapika's chain doesn't really got separated away from his body (other than Judgement chain), Cheetu's space and weapon, Kite's crazy slots, Shizuku's vacuum cleaner, etc.
3. That understandable, but then again since its distribution doesn't follow the conventional rule (like how other categories practically has 0 to only 1% potency) it is safe to assume that they're indeed have their own unique distribution
@@theoverthinker348 The alpguy was right regarding separating conjured objects require Emission
In chapter 143, after Genthru activated his ability and betray the greed island team then escape, Abengane mentioned that Genthru is well balanced in Conjuration, Emission, and Manipulation, which if we follow the logic that Conjuration does not need Emission to separate your aura, its weird that he mentioned Emission. But since that's the case, then separating your conjured object does require Emission. Oh and Manipulation is also needed to "control" the bomb to either automatically explode or manually explode via release.
the more you see nen the more its abvious that categories are a general proximation ..since most characters fall somewhere in between two and are leaning towards a categuory..most abilities use several categories .. for example halkenburgs ability is an emittion that leans towards manipulation which fit his nen test because he is short tempered but also argumentative when needed while razor is an emitter that leans towards enhancment it also fits him being short tempered but determined .as for you point about specialists fighting enhancers i think that the base physical strength without nen is also important and the nen enhancment is like a multiplier and that multiplier depends on the users nen reserves and potentiel and how proficient he is ..what i mean is 40% enhacment proficency for specialist the cap doesnt mean he reached that level...for example a specialist with nen level of lets say a 1000 is only using 400 of his nen reserves if he is enhancing at max proficiency.. but he is still stronger than a pure enhancer with with a nen level of 150 using using 100% of his nen potntiel which 150 ..think of pitou for example even tho shes a specialist she keeps up with emitter or enhancers in raw strength
I believe that experts simply have a higher n-number than most. so conditions to increase the manifestation of nen helps in the use of abilities of another affinity. basically you make up for the lack of affinity with sheer amount of nen
It's busted when u have a shit ton of aura like the chimera ants
True.
Chimera ants have more affinity possible for other types, that's also should be noticed
I think one important thing that is forgotten about when talking about specialist abilities is the vows and restrictions aspect of them, yes specialists who take other abilities are more common than the traditional idea of specialist abilities, however the important thing to note is the conditions to use these abilities, remember that more restrictions directly equal greater potency, if someone could just automatically mimic someone's abilities by being a certain type of specialist, then they probably wouldn't need so many restrictions to use the abilities in the first place, they would probably be able to limit the conditions to just knowing how the abilities work, imo it seems more likely that there are effectively 2 subtypes of specialists: true specialists (individuals whose affinity doesn't match with any other nen affinity) and joker specialists (individuals whose nen affinities are evenly divided across all categories or are not fixed and can fluctuate across all categories, "joker" meaning a wild card of sorts), this to me seems like the most likely explanation based on the available evidence we have
Specialists definetly are
exactly where you'd think. They use Conjuration and Manipulation
at exaclty 80%.
There is no valid Reason not to think that and also:
Chrollo literally used Conjuration and Manipulation or both together
in his FIght against Hisoka,
which is obviously no Coincidence.
Yeah but he's also used emission during the York new city ark, I think the normal chart applies for the more traditional specialists who have completely unique traits to their aura, but logically there is plenty of evidence that there are specialists who at least aren't restricted by the normal chart, kurapika being the main example to come to mind, but the fact that, of the users we've seen at least, there is a significant number of specialists who at the very least aren't restricted by their typing the way most nen users are
@@TheRougeAnarchist Chrollo uses Emission sometimes when he doesnt feel threatened but the Second he gets serious he uses Conjuration or Manipulation.
@Slevin Channel ok sure, let's say you're right and not just making assumptions, if that were true and chrollo was restricted to the normal efficiencies with the other nen categories, wouldn't that make skill hunter a pretty terrible ability overall? I mean if the only abilities he can use decently are conjuration and manipulation, then most of his potential arsenal is gonna be fairly useless to him
@@TheRougeAnarchist No, no terrible at all. Just not overpowered.
Also, this video here is blatantly silly and debunked by the very EXISTENCE of Kurapika. His Ability is clearly said to RAISE THE EFFICIENCY. So yeah, bringing the Percent up to% is literally a Protagonist's Power, sooooo mayber the Percent arent at 100%, huh?
I think specialization does incorporate the same wheel,with 40 percent in enhancement, but chrollo is simply him and is probaly a master at using non hatsu nen principles, and his efficiency in the stolen non specialization abilities is just an innate function in skill hunter, since skill hunter itself has built in conditions, like the
need to keep the original user alive if they don't have post mortem abilities
I just watched your video on ranking Specialists and I just had thoughts on some of the stuff you said regarding Specialization as a category so I came and watched this video too, as you recommended, and then I had even more thoughts, so now there's a wall of text, woops... Anyway, I feel as though your reasoning is good on all of your points, I just find myself disagreeing with a lot of the base assumptions you make about the story, so here's a way-too-long "Specialization _isn't_ broken, actually" post, point by point, in the order they came to my mind while watching:
- "If specialists have the standard proficiency distribution then ability-stealing abilities wouldn't be particularly strong since Specialists could never use those abilities to their full potential." You say this as though it's a piece of evidence that Specialization should lie outside the normal proficiency graph while I always just found it to be a normal part of the story. Yes, Chrollo _can't_ use the abilities he copies to their fullest potential, it's made clear both thematically and literally that Nen abilities are a form of self-expression, and Bandit's Secret is just an expression of Chrollo's lack of identity. It would thus make _less_ sense if he could just adopt and use everyone else's personal form of self-expression through Nen as well as they themselves possibly could. The reason why it looks like he can use others' abilities as well or even better than they can is because he's a master at using Nen in general, not because his proficiency with their Nen category is on the same level. Netero's way better at using both Conjuration and Manipulation than any Conjurer or Manipulator we've seen in the story, despite being an Enhancer.
- "Kurapika gets hurt fighting Uvogin while Chrollo doesn't while fighting Silva" I feel like this one's covered by my previous parapraph as well as several other comments I've read here. For another example, Kite, while being a conjurer, outperforms Gon and Killua when fighting Chimera Ants in close quarters combat despite both of them having a greater affinity for Enhancement (and at this point having been trained by Biscuit).
- "How do Specialization abilities work in relation to using the other categories / there are non-specialization abilities that do the same thing as specialization abilities (as mentioned in your most recent video on Specialists)" I feel like this point comes from looking at the categories the wrong way. I've always taken them to be descriptive, not prescriptive, meaning they describe the effects of something done with Nen rather than being locked boxes that effects have to be built within. Bandit's Secret is a Specialization _ability_ but the act of conjuring a book is still an act of Conjuration, and whatever ability Chrollo uses from the book still has its own category based on its effects. Ging is an Enhancer but he can copy Leorio's Emitter ability through talent alone, no Hatsu required, so it's not that crazy that there are ability-copying or ability-stealing Hatsus that could fit into other categories depending on how they go about doing it. (Enhancing your brain to store more Hatsus, Conjuring an item that can replicate or steal Hatsus, Emitting or Manipulating a Nen parasite that steals a Hatsu and brings it back to you, and so on)
- "Specialization shouldn't be on the same graph / shouldn't affect the other categories' proficiency distribution" I feel like the best counterargument for this is just that Specialization _is_ a category in and of itself. Like mentioned before the categories are descriptive, meaning whatever you do with Nen will fit into one of them, like splitting off a ball from your aura is Emission but not a Hatsu (unless you make it one, *cough cough* Silva). Specialization being present on the graph at all implies that it's a category describing a set of things that can be done with Nen (even if that set is just "everything not covered by the others"), with the only difference between it and the other categories being that no one can actually learn how to do Specialization things like they can for the other categories. This is pretty much proven by Kurapika and Milluki (even if only slightly) leaning towards Specialization, showing that there is some level of proficiency you can have with Specialization, even if only theoretically, instead of it just being 100 or 0 like we're initially told (as is often the case in HxH).
I love walls of texts. I just tend to turn mine into a script.
Copying abilities: I agree w/pretty much everything here, but don't see it as a counter to my own point, which was that, if Specialists did indeed keep their category distributions while using stolen abilities, this kind of ability-type (i.e. hatsu acquisition) would not be so prevalent among them. Though some Specialist seem to more "awake" than "develop" their abilities so some Specialists may be stuck with an acquisition-type ability w/o necessarily having Chrollo's talent.
Kite enhancement feat: I would entirely expect him too though. He's older and significantly more experienced, having almost reached the "Nen master" level as commented on by Killua. Chrollo and Silva are comparatively, much closer with regards to their Nen output, Nen mastery (both are placed in the 3rd highest proficiency tier), etc. Comparing them makes sense. Comparing Gon and Killua to Kite at that point still does not.
Ability Acquisition is no longer Spec: My point was that for hundreds of chapters it was very heavily implied that ability acquisition is Specialization-based (Chrollo, Leol). But it seems that Togashi has broadened the scope by quite a lot in a short amount of time. Some, in ways I think were an excellent idea, others in a way I'm not too big of. Also, while I myself do believe Ging to be an Enhancer as well, it was never confirmed.
Further on Spec: Oh, my point wasn't that it should literally be taken out of the diagram. My point was that it shouldn't affect the ability distribution of other categories. There's a bunch of ways you could interpret and I've already written a lot, but I believe Milluki to be undergoing what was referenced as a natural Nen-type shift, wherein Manipulators or Conjurers (most commonly) become Specialists over time. This would be consistent with the notion that you can become a Specialists over time, but being a Specialist is an all-or-nothing thing, since Specialization was the only category we got info on that did not have any of its members being category lean (i.e. there were only pure Specialists).
Specialization...could it stand for a specialized hatsu? Like..I want a hatsu that works without needing the five types maybe?(Or I want my fighting style to revolve around my Hatsu instead of just pure fisticuffs making specialization users the antithesis to enhancers?) The catch being, that It has to be an extremely convoluted ability with extreme conditions but the payoff is that I can do ridiculous crazy shit like predict the future. Shit, maybe someone can even time travel with a specialization ability, seeing how regular characters can casually teleport.
What a lot of people get wrong about specialization is that it isn’t one specific category. When you are a specialist you are granted your own unique category, well of sorts. Specialization is an umbrella term for people who have a unique aura. That’s why no two specialist are the same or even act the same
Potentially, yes. I believe I reference that as one of the possibilities in the video when I postulate that each Specialist may have a unique category distribution most optimal for their Hatsu.
When U consider their aura volume, aura manipulation and topple that with limitations ( which is multiplication to infinity depends on vow and limitations ) this debate is pointless. There are higher rules that broke the current rule for example in hisoka vs chorollo , chorollo use elders power even tho he is dead which fly in the face of rules of the book because of nen after death.
I think enchanment is the most normal category and most specialist have to have at least a detrimental condition or non combative ability( panzou or neon
Plus neon needs to know your blood type and gives vague fortunes like oingo bongo in jojo
I mean paku
These characters are also super human
If anything, the most broken class is Conjuration. I like Conjuration abilities but they don't really stick to the rules of the type or Nen in general. You can literally conjure something and give it any ability you want, be it shrinking things, heat protection, revival. You can even create parallel dimensions ( shizuku, knov). None of these remain true to what conjuration is in definition (materializing objects out of aura). I understand that the category would be pretty bland without the special properties to the objects but I think it blurs out the line between it and specialization. These abilities are all very creative and fun but, damn, fuck specialization if you're a Conjurer because you're almost one yourself
I feel that the reason that most stolen abilities need the victim to be alive is becuase the original user nen is the one used thats why specialist can use them as if they were the original users. I strongly feel that specialization is using the nen of other people. Chrollo being a thief, iluka killing people to claim nen wishes and conjurers using ir turning into nen parasytes i also feel that the implication of manipulation and manipilating nen of others.
Man make more videos
I just want to point out hastu and nen ability aren't the same u can use hatsu without using a nen ability but can't use a nen ability without hatsu
What you said is wrong, btw.
Hatsu is the Creation/Expression of making an Abiity. So no, these
things may not be identical but you cant have 1 but not the other.
As a Specialist who can be mistaken for Manipulator, this explains why I'm damn near incapable of proper Emission outside sending my Nen to the target of my choosing.
But it also explains how my Enhancement & Transmutation is relatively high in comparison, and how my Conjuration is basically null.
Specialists definetly are
exactly where you'd think. They use Conjuration and Manipulation
at exaclty 80%.
There is no valid Reason not to think that and also:
Chrollo literally used Conjuration and Manipulation or both together
in his FIght against Hisoka,
which is obviously no Coincidence.
I always thought it was a get out of jail free card
I thought a specialist had 100% in every category. Like kurapika. When he got his arm broke fighting uvo he instantly healed it like a enhancer would.
That's only kurapika because his emperor time ability allows him to do such
@@ohhellwhereami2574 oh okay that makes sense. Thanks for that information
Again Silva and Zeno are Emitter
I think youre overthinking it way to much here... Specialist are clearly on the Nen ring and none of them have been shown to be brawlers at all.
The stolen abilities are taken at full potency so they work at full potency regardless of the specialist personal affinities.
I really really really hate this show. Because it makes it hard for me to really enjoy any Shonen . I have never seen any other anime where the chactets powerset is really a direct reflection of their personality, believes, and character as a whole. Where the power system is just so unique and set. Naruto,bleach, jusjtu kaisen, demon slayer, black clover, my hero like nothing compares to this show. And the fights are just so crisp and clean 😭 I want to see the story get finished
Yo, while Fate as a whole is for the most part either bad or meh at best, try giving Fate/Zero a shot. It's my favorite series next to HxH. Not a shounen, but it has and utilizes wonderfully many battle-shounen aspects. Fate/Stay Night is also very good.
Specialist are fragil.
Kuroro is just built differently.
5:15: Nah, totally wrong.
Specialists definetly are
exactly where you'd think. They use Conjuration and Manipulation
at exaclty 80%.
There is no valid Reason not to think that and also:
Chrollo literally used Conjuration and Manipulation or both together
in his FIght against Hisoka,
which is obviously no Coincidence.
Better correct that idea of yours.
I'd say there're a bunch of valid reasons, hence the video.
Also, your point does't in any way falsify the one(s) made in the video.
@@theoverthinker348 Not really.
There was literally 0 Evidence, let alone Proof, that Specialists arent using Conjuration and Manipulation at only 80%.
I meanwhile cited actual Fights with/of Specialists: Tell me why Chrollo would be so sure to use only Conjuration, Manipulation or a Combi of Both against Hisoka, then.
And i havent even ever mentioned yet the most devastating blow to your theory: Remember Kurapika?
Remember how his Abilities WHOLE DEAL is to raise his Nen-Efficience to 100%?
Yeah, i dont think that would be needed if Specialists had this by Default.
@@theoverthinker348 Kurapika literally has to sacrifice his Life-Span to make this thing temporarily happening hat you claim all Specialists have by Default.
Nah, mate. Its pretty clear from all we see that Specialsits are just on the Nen-Ring normally, except the 'accesibility'-Thing.
@@slevinchannel7589 I'll focus on the Kurapika point since I don't believe the first one is substantial.
Kurapika actually keeps his Conjurer aura distribution, he simply boosts the efficiency of the distribution to the max while in ET. As I said in another video, he's by far the most special Specialist out there, so he can't really be used as an apt gauge.
@@theoverthinker348 Proof? Evidence?
Finally a hxh youtuber that knows what he is talking about, just watched a vid of a ´´anime youtuber´´ who said only conjurers can have conditions....lmfao vid even has half million clicks
Don't wanna bad-mouth anyone, but much appreciated nonetheless!