Why Scania & Volvo Keep Battling To Be The Strongest?
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Why Scania & Volvo Keep Battling To Be The Strongest?
Volvo Trucks has just launched its latest marvel, the Volvo D17 engine, setting a new benchmark in the heavy-duty trucking industry. Designed specifically for the iconic FH16 truck series, this 17-liter engine boasts an unprecedented power output of up to 780 horsepower and a staggering 3800 Newton-meters of torque.
Which is just enough to outperform the Scania V8 engine with 770 hp and 3700 Nm, making Volvo the strongest truck engine manufacturer in Europe.
But why have Scania and Volvo always battled to have the strongest engine?
let's take a look back at the history behind the rivalry between Scania and Volvo
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00:00 start
00:52 let's go back to the 1950s
03:35 In the 1980s
06:14 When Volvo Took the Crown
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The most impressing thing for me is that both truck leaders are made from the same country!!!Huge Respect
Some dates are wrong. Indeed Scania introduced the new model range in 2016 but they kept the 730hp as top of the line until late 2020 when they introduced the newest V8 engine generation with its 770hp. So Scania didnt had the crown for eight years. It was just a bit more than 3 years until Volvo launched their brand new 17.3l engine.
yup also scania has made a 1000hp truck to but it's some really special custom made one specificaly made for some mining industry i belive.
@@savagememes873 also volvo has a 1050 hp engine custom made , but we are talking about a mass production trucks and engines. So if u want the strongest u choose volvo
This channel gets most of their information totally wrong
@@savagememes873 you can just remap a 770 and get 1000hp
Yes until 23 September 2020
Both Volvo and Scania are superb trucks and amazingly they are both manufactured in little Sweden 😊
Well both brands has manufacturing facilities around the world
@@TruckTropia That is so true. In the UK the 2014 R450 Scania I drive was made in Netherlands.
In Brazil Scania has manufacturing facilities, a major player in South America.
Today, Scania has production facilities in Sweden, France, the Netherlands, Thailand, China, India, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, Russia and Finland. In addition, there are assembly plants in ten countries in Africa, Asia and Europe.
Man is the best
@@TruckTropia Yea, but still Swedish brands.
@@Coole-ee1vg Scania is not Swedish today.
Some Americans be like: "what is 'Scania'?"
😅
maybe because you don't know the Scania T
@@thierrygamer2413still scania isn't that present in the US, so many people don't know about it
@@DaveeeOnTop scania is present in the us, look for the scania T or torpedo 😄
@@thierrygamer2413 present but not present enough
Incorrect, Scania revealed the 770Hp late 2020 so they held the crown until early 2024 when Volvo brought out the D17 engines with 780Hp
acuatlly the scania is still the toughest ! as scania's hp is measured on the wheels.. and the volvo is measured on the crank..
@@blomsterfreak scania measures at the diff but otherwise correct :)
0:48 I can recognize the image is shot from ETS2
I can't believe I didn't spot it, well spotted! Such a fun sim to play and drive.
Great as always ❤❤
Scania - VABİS V8 Legend.
I love the FMX 500. It's one of the best-looking trucks in my opinion.
I think it's more their fanbases that keeps battling.
True 😅
@@TruckTropia I love Volvo than Scania, because Volvo is still ruling the luxury bus market in our India, whereas Scania has discontinued their buses in India and only manufacturing trucks. But Volvo is manufacturing both trucks and buses in our India. Trucks are by Volvo and Eicher and buses are by Volvo itself
Fr
The horsepower increases because of higher efficiency, but the real power is the torque and everybody knows who got that right from the start .
So no need for a battle .
Without the driveshaft from Volvo the other truck would still be breaking down.
@@SaiCharanReddy-oz8ezScania buses here in the Philippines are rare and comfortable
The battle must exist to improve the trucks. All Scania has to do is remap the V8 and itll be at 800 hp and still running clean. Then Volvo will go 830 hp and 4200 Nm of torque, and so on and so on.
They are making the engines more efficient that's why they are getting stronger .
The one with the strongest transmission is the winner .
Do you know if the Scania is having full power in all gears?
@bendermi no, unless the customer asks for that style of mapping. Even when the transmission is put in manual mode you don't get max power in the lower gears unless you ask the dealer to do it or get a remap from someone. The Volvo I drive now has a moderate hp/high torque tune from the factory ( 455hp/1850 ft-lbs ) and in manual mode or performance mode the engine doesn't go nowhere near the horsepower peak just because of the factory tune. It shifts slow and low, and gets high 7s to low 8s all the time. It can do better with more responsive tuning but the factory tune is for a new driver so they don't kill themselves. I've been driving for decades and am used to manual trucks and high powered vehicles.
@@hoost3056
I was on the road in the seventies and eighties with my dad , we was driving an F89 , at that time the Scanias was breaking down because of a weak driveshaft, he told me the “fix” was to put in a driveshaft from Volvo , he also told me the Scania only had full power from sixths gear and up .
Well they have a good competition and many big hauling companys and heavy duty oversized goods are transportet with those trucks, so many fleets are out there.
Here in South Africa...85 % of lowbeds carrying the HEAVIEST OF THE HEAVIEST LOADS ARE VOLVO'S... MAYBE 10%%SCANIA'S... THE OTHER WANNABE'S A PALTRY 5% OF THE REST COMBINED!!!
They both great machines made by great people's highest quality of engineering
3:20 stolen clip from Stavros969 video about Volvo F10. Clip shows Rory Linch himself
Yea, he's a little shitty on not giving credit on the clips
@@BURZT_YT That's called stealing. This channel is a thief
@@tobyytlai fr,
I thank there both nice trucks
Speaking of Volvo and Scania, I am interested in one question - since in Australia they use both European and american models of trucks, and both cabovers and long nosed, and we all know that both Scania and Volvo have long nosed models like the Volvo VNL and Scania T series, why aren't these two models of the brands popular in Australia? May be you can do a video on that topic.
T cabs don't exist from factory anymore. We still see the older series 3 ones from time to time.
Volvo dropped the VN series back in late 90s and no one can say why.
Although the new VNLs being 100% American manufactured means that it would be a large task to get RHD and Aus legal. Something they don't want to bother with in such a small market.
3:31 you need to credit Stavros969.
Swede here: Why did Saab and Volvo battle over safety?
Simple: Cause why the fuck not? Some healty competition never hurts. One makes something better and the other one has to step its game up and so one. Eventually both will be better in general than the rest. Volvo and Saab cars were among the safest in the world at their glory time. And Scania and Volvo are among the best trucks in its own league above the rest.
Also, as a worker at research on Scania, hearing the news of the 780 Volvo... It made most of us laugh... Like come on 10hp? I guess 800 is there for us... Unlike their D17, our DC16 is proven, and capable of 1200... Just needs a stronger gearbox and aftertreatment system. And also cooling.
Years ago I laughed at Volvos ad about their newest engina at the time. "We have gained the tourque of the V8". They referred to Scanias top engine at the time. I thought, do they really think that Scania stopped developing their V8?! I don't think I6 will ever gain the tourque of V8 as long they both developed simultanius. And if it true that one here said that Volvo messurres from flywheel and Scania from wheels, the comparing is unfair.
@@markusylitalo8376 I think both measure the engine. You cant measure torque on the wheels, just horsepower. The torque at the propshaft is around 26000+ nm. And you can reach the torque of a V8 in an I6, however, something that isnt talked about is power delivery. A V8 has a much more balanced power output, while a I6 have "deadspots" where the engine isnt pumping out the top power even if its in the right RPM range.
And yes, it is noticable if you drive one. I notice the different engines after a few meters.
I'm inclined to believe that they don't battle each other for having the most powerful engine for the sake of having the most powerful engine. Instead, they both operate in the same market and neither can affort to fall significantly behind. Also in parts of Scandinavia and Finland trucks can be significantly more heavy than elsewhere (exception is of course Australia), and it's often somewhat mountaineous terrain. So even with 780HP it might not be an absurd abundance of power and the need for more is easily justifiable.
It then boils down to who's having the more lucky hand with their latest development, and when the next release of a newer version happens.
Hi Everyone!
I think both of the Truck Manufacturers are making great and reliable products.
One group for Volvo One group for Scania.
Thomas
the reason why Scania & Volvo is so good is this battle that has been going on for 100 years know!
At first sight it seems that Volvo's D17 engine is just a drilled up D16 - the same stroke but a bigger cylinder bore - but I believe there is more than that...
Scania R Series 2005 Volvo FH4 2013 Scania Next Generation 2016
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Its like rap, East coast vs west coast. Södertälje vs Gothenburg
Simpler is better so inline is the better engine of the two . Less moving parts better balance , smoother, less fuel , less repair costs, longer life span , more torque at low rpm, wider powerband.....they are a lot to count
there is so many misinformation in this video. The Scania 4 series had 530 horsepower back in 1995 not 470 you can even see it on the grill smh, the Scania R series had 620 horsepower in 2005 not 580, the 730 horsepower was indeed released in 2010 but in 2016 when the next generation scania trucks came (R and S series) it still had the 730 horsepower. the 770 came in 2020
Because men are competitive and we we always want the best , fastest and strongest things.
Short answer: marketing
Scania to me is the best truck in the world 🌎
We want to know who is more reliable and durable. Scania or Volvo?
Depends on mode and engine
@@TruckTropia pls make video on this
@@originalguy4535 Depends of the usage, enviroment and gross weight of the truck, but from my experience in gravel trucking in Finland (76 ton total weight) 2013 Scania R620 around 550k km to engine rebuild and 2014 Volvo FH16 650 around 500k km to engine rebuild. So it depends alot from usage and terrain.
THEY'RE BOTH EXCELLENT... DEPENDS WHICH CLOWN IS BEHIND THE WHEEL!!!
MY LATE BROTHER DROVE AN FH12-420 WITH SUPER HEAVY LOADS AND AT 400,000 KM HAD USED BARELY 2MM OF THE ORIGINAL 28MM BRAKE PADS OVERALL ON THE TRUCK TRACTOR!!!
RIP DINO "BEANS" DE AGUIAR!!!
Depending aspects. Volvo has stronger chassis and faster gearbox for many years. Scania v8 is more complicated engine, more bearings, injectors, pipes etc. For building sites are better different marks as military use them. Both are very good trucks and top strongest models cost top prices. Otherwise Chinese truck has 800hp and cost just over half price
Both these engines are not some of the most powerful in the world and not only in Europe! These beasts are the 2 most powerful on the planet without any other matching equivalent!,
Nope, there is the most powerful for on highway use but not the most powerful engines in the world at all
wrong Chinese shaman 8000 is the most powerful one with 800 hp
You guys are so lucky in America Volvo has a 425 hp D 13 engine with 2.14 rear ends that spit out a whopping 1650 foot pounds of torque
It has a few reasons, a V8 in US trucks makes less sense since you have a nose and therefore length of the engine is less of an issue. Also weight, in Finland they a road legal truck and trailer may weigh up to 100 metric tons and that with mountains. Whilst the US is relatively flat Europe has 3 mountain ranges, with the Alps the pyrenese and technically the ural mountains in Russia but that is a bit of the split between Europe and Asia. And even then those extreme engines are a rare sight with only fanbases driving those. But most are still between that 400 to 550 HP mark.
I Always go for scania ❤
Ten horsepower difference is not a battle. That is just marketing BS.
😂
Now is Scania's turn. And i say they are the one who will achieve 800 hp first.
One more fascinating thing is that they both compete even in bus industry❤
I think it's because we Swedes have always liked to compete, not least in technology. The Swedish “lagom” does not exist here.
There really is no competition. Scania is vastly more popular among drivers and owner operators.
@Karen McClaren... not French OR Chinese!
South 🇿🇦 African of Portuguese actually!!!
It's not a matter of strength. It's POWER.
Interesting review, but many fact mistakes and confusions.
Dates and engine sizes are not remotely accurate . The engine size is in the trucks name . An F10 = a 10 litre engine .
A Scania 143 is a 14 litre V8 3 series .
An FH12 is a 12 litre and nothing else , if it has the 16 litre engine it is an FH16 .
The FH16 was released in the early to mid Nineties , it replaced the F16 .
@@honkiebikedude Need to piece out that info about Volvo a bit:
The letters are all about the versions of the cab:
F = Frambyggd (Cabover)
N = Nos (Long hood) - not made anymore.
H = High cab
M = Medium cab
L = Low cab
Both the 7, 10 and the 12 litre trucks were available in all the versions H, M and L.. The smaller 4 and 6 litre didn't have a H cab and the 16 litre didn't have a L cab - if I got it right.
Will it fit in a miata?
Volvo❤❤❤❤❤❤
Scania👍
Volvo Fh 16-780cv aero motor 06c em L diesel
saab scania on top🙌
Are they stronger than those classic KWs Petes?
Yes 💪
Very easy...
Was there really any battling untill late 00´s?
For real
There was a lot of battling in the 1960/70's that's when the horsepower race really started in Europe.
It's also what began the end of the British truck industry - our typical attitude of "we're the best, take us or leave us" and the market left them. Thing is, Britain was the best for a long time, but we sat on our hands whilst the competition over took us.
In the mid 60's, your best offerings from a British truck manufacturer was a 180hp Gardner, a Leyland 680 (180-200hp) or some offered a 220 Cummins usually detuned to 205hp.
When trucks like the Volvo F88 dropped with 270hp in 1965 then the first Scania V8's in 1969 with 350hp it's no wonder our hauliers switched.
Numbers aren't that impressive today but going from 180hp to 270hp is a 50% increase in power - staggering at the time.
Imagine one of the US truck manufacturers announcing tomorrow that they were releasing a 900hp otr truck - that's how significant that's how significant those power gains were in the 60/70's TV
@@deezelfairy During the 1950s I visited Scotland as a sailor. At one point we unloaded pulp to four-axle trucks such as AEC and Leyland. It was cold weather and the drivers sat in short cabins and wiped the windows with rags. It did not seem to find effective heat in the cabins. But there were in the Volvos and Scania Vabis that were later sold in the UK.
As for Volvo, mostly F86 was sold in the UK. According to what was heard, it was the best profit to sell F86 instead of F88.
@@spv1093 That was the thing, British hauliers were tight with their money which is why the F86 was more popular then the F88.
It's also why you'd see our drivers wiping their windows with rags as back then a heater was an 'optional extra' on British trucks of that period.
You had a real good boss if you got any options that were for driver comfort. With the Swedish manufacturers things like heaters were standard fitment. Sleeper cabs weren't a big thing in British trucks either - drivers were generally expected to sleep on top of cover over the engine hump in the cab 😂
Mercedez, MAN, volvo,scania,DAF,iveco
Volvo übertragen übertrifft mit der Innenausstattung in Scania von außen sind beide gleich geil❤❤❤
I'm still don't know. But...
There can be only one 😝😉
VOLVO IS THE BOSS... PERIOD!!!
@@sollydeaguiar2221 French? Or Chinese one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How many times can you say robust in a video?
❤️🔥💪volvo💪🔥❤️ ❤️❤️❤️Drivers safety first that's volvo concept ❤️❤️❤️
Outnumbering a Scania V8! Volvo, the new king of the road!
Meanwhile the most poweful engines we can get in North America is still the DD16 or ISX15 for literally the last 14 years.
😂 true
North American market is different a lot more highway travel where your not constantly stop and go so the higher horsepower number don’t really matter at those speeds, given though if you look aftermarket several cats and Cummins will be pushed past 700hp
@@user-wm9pj2xj7zyes with stratospheric fuel consumption and ridiculous torques. I have a friend to whom I sold my T800 with an ISX 600, he made some modifications raising it to 700hp, it has the same torque as I currently have in my Scania V8 620, but it consumes almost twice as much fuel as me and climbs slower
I like them both but volvo has always looked better to me. I also think other truck brands have copied the Volvo look.
Scania doesn't
@lanfenglxf No your right Scania has its own unique look.
You don't know how the horse power is measured in these two different manufacturers I see
Volvo measures the power in flywheel while Scania measures from the wheels, which means that all losses are already subtracted yet, volvo include losses
If you include losses, you'll end up with 700hp
No they dont
You need to study your specs a lot more thoroughly before posting these videos.
The Volvo F-series was released in 1977 with a 10 liter F10 and a 12liter F12. Top of the line at release was 320hp. 1979 saw the Globetrotter cab emerge and be a huge success for the F12.
The F-series got a big brother in 1988 with the 16liter 465hp F16, and then rightly evolved into the FH series in 1993.
Scania ran 11 and 14liter engines from their 110 straight 6 and 140 V8 up through the years, coming out with a smaller 8liter with the 2 series, the 82, upgraded to 9 liters with the 93. Along with the 4 series came also a 16liter V8 as the new king of the road, and as they say, the rest is history.
The 2 brands have always battled. Not only on horsepower. On everything. Safety, fuel mileage, design, ease of use, smoothest transmission, heaviest hauler, highest payload, driver comfort... For a great many years they have been the benchmark trucks, although way outsold by Mercedes and also compeeting with great trucks made by dutch PACCAR owned Daf.
The difference is that Volvo measure horsepower at the flywheel, while Scania measures horsepower at the rear wheels.
No they dont
You forgot Daf trucks
Hahahahahahahhahahah nice joke
In trucks horsepower from the engine is higher than at the wheels due to what transmission and axles are used
This is not just in trucks but cars as well.
Gearboxes, no matter how good add frictional losses into a system.
Engine>Gearbox>Diff>Wheels can have a 5-10% loss in power easy.
@@IIGrayfoxII Thats correct same goes for cars too.
The real answer is because they both shat their pants when Iveco thrown on the marked the ungodly Turbostar V8
I love scania, Volvo is very impressive too but I still like a scania 😂
❤❤❤❤❤Volvo .
Volvo for life! ❤
One relevant detail is that Volvo measures HP at the crank but Scania measures at the diff. Scania 770hp makes 800+ at the crank
But, why Scania uses the term "gross power" in their DC1658A specs, instead of "net power"?
It still to be debated until someone dynobench both of trucks on a same dyno engine
thats bullsh*t, both scania and volvo measure hp at crank, this is easily known by just googling scania dc16 and it shows you a pdf with the engine specs showing the torque curves ect and guess what, that measured 770 is at the crank
@@ItzChaza Plus that specs do not include any load. Not even a truck.
Prove that... my friend!!
COMPLETELY INCORRECT!!!
Scania is brilliant.... but my blood is Volvo BLUE!!!
HAVE AN R620 HIGHLINE AND A VOLVO FH16-610 GLOBETROTTER.... VOLVO WINS HANDS DOWN!!!
And why volvo not scania brother?
Which do you OWN....I OWN BOTH top dogs with Top POWER!!
Try pulling out of a slush quarry with 80 tonnes payload...and then pull away without any problems??? BTW the Scania is 620 hp and the Volvo only 610 hp!!!
Very nice but, some of the details are not accurate. Volvo had a 16-liter V8 at the 90’s with 520HP., (this is just one detail that is not mentioned at the clip and there are more )
No. The 16 litre engine Volvo introduced in 1987 was an inline 6 with 470hp at first. The only V8 Volvo has mounted in a truck was a 3.6 litre petrol engine, B36, with 120hp, made between 1956 and 1966
There are a lot of errors in this video, would make a quite a list.
I don't get it . Scania 144g 530hp 2800nm . Volvo fh16 610hp 2800nm . Scania 164l 580hp 3000 nm 🤔
Shackman is the new king
Scania S770 just & only
Volvo FH16😮
That torque curve from the Volvo 780hp engine looks like a bad joke...
I've been telling everyone this exact thing! I think Volvo not really serious to challenge the 770 Scania. Scania 770 have better and wider torque curve.
@@ajidamarjati A hill climb test with 40t would be interresting.
I bet the Scania would be the winner.
funny fact, if iveco wants, already have a 1000 hp marine V8 turbo diesel that just need conversion to shut them down. FPT rules.
Another fun fact, truck engines and marine engines are not the same. Marine engines are tuned for a lot more horse power and in many cases less reliable.
@@rude252 maybe the opposite, marine engine can't left you stranded in the open sea like a truck into an open road. Anyway, adapt it to euro 6 and so on, sure will have a drop, easily i bet could stay on 800 hp easily. Because it's a marine engine born from V8 of turbostar.
@@sibbolo9204 Scania's most powerful marine version of the 16 litre V8 has 1200hp.
Scania is the undisputed leader at all times and under all conditions.
😂
That's your opinion, volvo just as good
@@patodonovan274 I say this as someone who mostly drives a Volvo.
The info on this is not quite accurate.
Currently in India, The powerful truck is Volvo 540 fmx cab(if I I not wrong). Volvo didn't released its fh series engines. But,scania launched uts super engine this year in March and max hp is 560hp. But,scania is giving 560hp oy in tippers.
you r wrong
lol @ 00:44
The 770 from scania is on the rear axel and de 780 form Volvo is at the crank so if you count the drivetrain loss by the scania has actually 850 bhp at the crank
End the battle and show us the torque curve let the facts speak.
There has always been one king of the road and the winnee has the widest torque curve .
How about China's or India's trucks
I.worry.future
Of.mack.trucks....
Scania take their hp rating from the axle. Volvo from the flywheel.. If Scania took their hp from the flywheel the 770 is actually 840hp. End of story
Bullshit ,volvo has a bigger engine & more torque what ever scania will Do Volvo will follow both makes are good
No they dont
I prefer Volvo parts are easily accessed in the Southern Africa
all European trucks the best two's are Scania and Volvo to others next is Mercedes-benz actros 3340
High salary cost is the reason.
Why is it still called fh16 when it a 17 litre engine it should be fh17?
The engine is called d17 👍
@@TruckTropia Volvo's model number usually refers to the size of the engine so it's logical that this should be called a FH17. But maybe there's something else with the model and FH17 will come later.👍
Sweden showing all the world how to make proper trucks 😂😂😂 Volvo is just pure power no matter what is the beast but that v8 rumble is 😍😍😍👌
Volvo battery electric trucks are in use here in Austria
Saya Indonesian pilih Volvo
Volvo for live!!!!!!!
Had a Volvo 2 million k had a v8 scania cost a fortune in repairs will send you broke in Australia conditions
Volvo also bought out Leyland Bus and Lorry.
The Leyland Truck Division was purchased by DAF, Volvo only acquired Leyland Bus.
Volvo FH all the way
well for a start dont they measure their HP from different places... volvo at the fly wheeel.. and scano at the diff.
You did the same video many times
Swedish power
Finnish Sisu have 900hp