I found the cross harder to shoot small groups with but its accuracy was adequate, for a hunting rifle I like it, i appreciate the walkthrough on how to swap the barrels!
Not been a fan of the Sig Cross but I love the video showing the different setup via Odin Works. I really like the custom case and how they cut the logo into the foam.
I was also a bit disappointed in the groupings. I have a 6.5 CM Sig Cross Born and Raised edition with the longer barrel. I consistently get less than 3/4 moa. On most days, it is closer to 1/2 moa using Hornady 147 ELDMs or 140 Sig Elite. I have had lots groups at less than 1/2 moa, but it's when I use the heavy bipod , Ryan Cheney's airfoil bag and only one cup of coffee that morning 😂
I like the modularity of barrel swaps! I wish this was a package deal! These would be fun developing loads of each and see the improvement of the accuracy? Just a thought
I would love for you to do a build on a 25 Ackley improved with a 7-1 barrel using the 133 & 135 to see the performance, it should be one of the flattest shooter on earth, love your show thanks
Okay I found my next project!! That barrel swap is sweet. Thanks for the great video! Also great meeting up at the Horizon/Hornady dinner last shot show! Will have to come check out ur shop some time. Only few hours from me!
This would be perfect for the one gun to rule them all concept. I hope after load development and zeroing it's repeatable after changes. The 6mm CM would be great to have. I like it.
I've found the Accuracy of the 6.5 Cross to be typically around 1 -1.5 MOA. It doesn't like a lot of ammunition types. I've found it shoots best with Hornady and flat base projectiles.
I agree with factory loads I have seen the same. Using any hand loads it is consistently under 1MOA. I think for a light weight hunting rifle this is more than acceptable.
@@Zer0Edits00 Sorry I don't really follow your logic, if you have enough money you could also buy something that doesn't have this issue. This essentially makes having a "trainer" barrel impossible without re-zeroing every time.
@@adamgrare8070 what’s wrong with rezeroing? Once again, you have the money to do it, you’re getting more and more practice when shooting more shots and using more ammo.. also, probably better to train with the barrel that you’re actually gonna use right? And you’d have to make adjustments from the trainer barrel to the match barrel too since they’re different.. So I’m not sure what the big issue is still lol
@@Zer0Edits00 its one thing to have to throw a couple clicks on and confirm zero, this is taking the scope completely off idk you'd want to have to do that 🤷
@@adamgrare8070 I mean.. I’m not rich and I still like finding excuses to go fire off more rounds, if that means bore sighting and dialing in the scope again I don’t mind. Most ppl probably don’t agree w me tho lol
Wish we could get a version that takes cassette triggers so those of us that like a single stage light enough a stiff fart could set it off can enjoy the Cross.
I’ve had 4 sig cross rifles, 2 in 6.5 creed, and 2 in 308, all shot much better than those Odin barrels with a variety of factory ammo. I was expecting those Odin barrels to perform better.
I wish this channel did more videos on real world reloading, especially for hunters. The indepth catridge deep dive videos are always great. The informercials for tacticool toys that serve no purpose are unwatchable. Gavin seems so fun when he is making a .308 pull 300wm speeds but he seems like a used car salesman in these videos.
I'm all about switch barrel long guns but to have to take the scope off and the four end and the rail like that just impedes the process. I still think West Texas ordinance has one of the better setups I don't want to have to remove the scope and all that takes is T25 and unscrew the barrel. The battle extension on the sig is pretty sweet though
I know ya can’t, but I’d love to send you my tikka T3x in 300 win mag lol I’m trying to decide which route to go for chassis and find out what’s best for the mag length restrictions and see what load ideas you have for the coal restrictions. I run Berger 210 vld hunt with 7828ssc around 2870fps but man I’d like to see what you magicians could do
i bought one in 308 very early in '20. love it but it is very jumpy especially with heavy loads 175g+. def not a bench gun. its very portable. i dont have an excuse to not bring a rifle with me. camping, hiking, everywhere. i wish sig would release more barrel extensions. its hard to find prefits with one.
I've always been told t is bad to install an optics rail that connects the receiver and he foregrip, like is done here. It is better to just have a shorter one on the receiver and use a cantilever optic mount to adjust.
On an AR, you would be right. There is a lot of wiggle between the upper receiver and the for-end. On the Cross, it’s a very sturdy connection and doesn’t seem to have any issues with that.
It's unfortunate that the rifle didn't shoot a little better. Especially with the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 22 CM did OK, but the 6 GT was the clear winner. I have come to expect sub MOA out of gas guns and close to sub half MOA out of bolt guns. The days of 1.5 MOA being the norm appear to be over.
Gavin, factory Hunting rifle, Carbon wrapped barrel or fluted steel. Looking at the Bergara Crest Carbon vs the Crest with fluted steel barrel, which do you prefer?. I like accurate guns like you.
HTF did you get your hands on a Caldwell radar??????? Not fair. I paid for one and waited forever to get a canformation on an order. I would willingly pay for one if it ia trully available to the GP.
Trying to put together a decent budget friendly midweight chassis rifle system for hunting with a 6.5 PRC or 7 PRC. Kinda looking at Howa 1500 barreled action and MDT LSS or Oryx chassis. Thoughts or recommendations?
So, basically what you’re saying is that it’s like the Sig 320, by the base model and then spend a bunch of money on upgrades to make it decent and reliable.
Do yourself and the rifle being tested a favor and use some sort of target with some grid lines. For me, its kinda hard to hold exact same point of aim with just circles. (unless you are using the corner of the paper and dialing to be on target.)
Lets take a $1600 rifle and make it $2300!!! yay! Go custom and get exactly what you want for that price. Too many good actions, stocks/chassis and pre fits these days.
Beautiful setup, however, I'm not buying the hype. As a SFSC grad, i wouldnt pick the sig cross or anything sig to do anything. Build yourself a custom bolt action, way more accurate.
To much creedmoor, 7 prc maybe? 6.5 okay for deer, antelope. But from everything from deer to moose, 7 prc seems logical. Never replace my .308 and 300 WM. But imo 6.5 isn’t a viable all around hunting round.
I wanted this very sexy rifle in 6,5CM but when I saw number of videos, I decided not to buy,because it never ever shoots some very good groups. It always shoots very average or even worse than average groups.
Sry not impressed with the Accuracy of this Sig the only Barrel that was acceptable was the GT for a Chassis Type Rifle no thanks i stay with my Mauser, Anschütz and Steel Action Rifles
Almost zero load development with only a few different types of ammo and they all almost shot 1 MOA. Have a cross and it didn’t shoot any of the few factory ammo I tried very good(1-1/4in) first hand load with H4350 I tried and it shot 1/2in. Your right the groups showed weren’t necessarily impressive but judging a whole class of rifle off one showing in three entire different cartridges is maybe a touch impromptu.
@@ryankoch3958 most of this Groups where way taller then 1 MOA not everybody is a Reloader i am but a Rifle with the Pricetag of a Cross should do better with Factory offerings my Mauser M12, Anschütz 1771 and Steel Action HS & HM (6.5x55SE 223 308 and 8x57IS) where easy under MOA with cheap Geco Factory loads they got even better with Handloads yes these Rifles are not much cheaper or equal Priced then the Cross but i would be more then angry if i spend 2.5k € for a Rifle with 1 Barrel that shoots this type of Groups with 1 or 2 Loadings yeah but they where all not pretty only the GT Was good.
@@lenzadlberger I only paid 870 USD plus tax for my Cross. I’ve been disappointed more by many other rifles than my cross in the same or a little bit more price point-with factory ammo a bergara b-14 to name one. I guess geographical differences putting the cross in the semi custom rifle price point would make that accuracy unacceptable but even still I think most people would find 1-1/4in more than acceptable out of a light rifle.
@@ryankoch3958 for 870$ ok that is not bad and yes Bergaras can be Ammopicky as well i was frustrated with a B14 also only shot some Matchbullets good, Leadfree Hunting Bullets none i tried so i sold it ... Yes Rifle Prices are insanly different from the US to Europe, your Lowtier Rifles cost at least 1k € ( Ruger American), on the other Hand we pay 3.5k for a Blaser R8 in Germany in the US i heard they run at around 7-8k .... CustomsDuties are the Problem on both side ...
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I found the cross harder to shoot small groups with but its accuracy was adequate, for a hunting rifle I like it, i appreciate the walkthrough on how to swap the barrels!
Not been a fan of the Sig Cross but I love the video showing the different setup via Odin Works. I really like the custom case and how they cut the logo into the foam.
I was also a bit disappointed in the groupings. I have a 6.5 CM Sig Cross Born and Raised edition with the longer barrel. I consistently get less than 3/4 moa. On most days, it is closer to 1/2 moa using Hornady 147 ELDMs or 140 Sig Elite. I have had lots groups at less than 1/2 moa, but it's when I use the heavy bipod , Ryan Cheney's airfoil bag and only one cup of coffee that morning 😂
I like the modularity of barrel swaps! I wish this was a package deal! These would be fun developing loads of each and see the improvement of the accuracy? Just a thought
Just fyi you don’t have to fold the stock to remove the bolt. Just let the cheek riser go all the way up, the bolt will go underneath the cheek riser
8.6 Blackout would be sweet!
Lots of neat stuff in that kit. I don't think I'd ever buy one simply because I wouldn't want to carry it all with me. One case, one barreled rifle.
I would love for you to do a build on a 25 Ackley improved with a 7-1 barrel using the 133 & 135 to see the performance, it should be one of the flattest shooter on earth, love your show thanks
Accuracy on par with my 300 Black out, but better than my mini 14. Love the way the stock folds over the bolt handle, that is nice. Nuff said
16" 6mm creedmoor 🎉🎉🎉
Okay I found my next project!! That barrel swap is sweet. Thanks for the great video! Also great meeting up at the Horizon/Hornady dinner last shot show! Will have to come check out ur shop some time. Only few hours from me!
Awesome, would be great to meet up :)
@@Ultimatereloader I will shoot you a email!
This would be perfect for the one gun to rule them all concept. I hope after load development and zeroing it's repeatable after changes. The 6mm CM would be great to have. I like it.
25 GT might be perfect for the Cross.
.308, 6.5CM, and 6GT definitely worth having on hand.
Interesting to see the accuracy results - a lot of guys are saying that the factory rifle is a 1-2 MOA rifle.
I've found the Accuracy of the 6.5 Cross to be typically around 1 -1.5 MOA. It doesn't like a lot of ammunition types. I've found it shoots best with Hornady and flat base projectiles.
I agree with factory loads I have seen the same. Using any hand loads it is consistently under 1MOA. I think for a light weight hunting rifle this is more than acceptable.
That’s awesome!! Thanks man!!
Loving my hand guard and 6mm cr 16" barrel.
Been looking at the sawtooth for a hunting rig by sig price is high but it is sweet and comes with a proof barrel
Having to take the scope off to change the barrel is unfortunate
If you have enough money to buy this in the first place, who really cares lol
@@Zer0Edits00 Sorry I don't really follow your logic, if you have enough money you could also buy something that doesn't have this issue. This essentially makes having a "trainer" barrel impossible without re-zeroing every time.
@@adamgrare8070 what’s wrong with rezeroing? Once again, you have the money to do it, you’re getting more and more practice when shooting more shots and using more ammo.. also, probably better to train with the barrel that you’re actually gonna use right? And you’d have to make adjustments from the trainer barrel to the match barrel too since they’re different.. So I’m not sure what the big issue is still lol
@@Zer0Edits00 its one thing to have to throw a couple clicks on and confirm zero, this is taking the scope completely off idk you'd want to have to do that 🤷
@@adamgrare8070 I mean.. I’m not rich and I still like finding excuses to go fire off more rounds, if that means bore sighting and dialing in the scope again I don’t mind. Most ppl probably don’t agree w me tho lol
I’d love to see a 308 or 7mm-08 fast twist prefit or even 7 saw
Wish we could get a version that takes cassette triggers so those of us that like a single stage light enough a stiff fart could set it off can enjoy the Cross.
great package set up , however my experience with Odin Works has been very disappointing .
Lighter bullet test on the 22 creed
Berger must load their factory ammo fairly hot if they're getting 2600+ out of an 18" barrel!
Backfire has a setup that gets to 2670 FPS. You can find the load on his site under his review.
I’ve had 4 sig cross rifles, 2 in 6.5 creed, and 2 in 308, all shot much better than those Odin barrels with a variety of factory ammo. I was expecting those Odin barrels to perform better.
I wish this channel did more videos on real world reloading, especially for hunters. The indepth catridge deep dive videos are always great. The informercials for tacticool toys that serve no purpose are unwatchable. Gavin seems so fun when he is making a .308 pull 300wm speeds but he seems like a used car salesman in these videos.
I'm all about switch barrel long guns but to have to take the scope off and the four end and the rail like that just impedes the process. I still think West Texas ordinance has one of the better setups I don't want to have to remove the scope and all that takes is T25 and unscrew the barrel. The battle extension on the sig is pretty sweet though
They should sell the barrel extends and Blanks for people who dont want their chamber offerings.
What would you make with it?
@MikeMigliore I want to try a 22GT in a 26in barrel config. Also 7mm SAW would be cool.
I got the sig cross PRS version and I want this
Throw a 284 win barrel on it, 22”. I would think that would be a great lightweight packable rifle with the folding stock.
How do you laser cut the foam for the cases. That might be an interesting video showing the process start to finish.
A 6mm arc barrel would get my money.
I know ya can’t, but I’d love to send you my tikka T3x in 300 win mag lol I’m trying to decide which route to go for chassis and find out what’s best for the mag length restrictions and see what load ideas you have for the coal restrictions. I run Berger 210 vld hunt with 7828ssc around 2870fps but man I’d like to see what you magicians could do
you gotta try out a CarbonSIX prefit. 1/2" guarantee, and they deliver
Id like to have the laser cut foam insert for the pelican case..clean, neat, purposeful..how can we get one of those?
8.6 blk please!
i bought one in 308 very early in '20. love it but it is very jumpy especially with heavy loads 175g+. def not a bench gun. its very portable. i dont have an excuse to not bring a rifle with me. camping, hiking, everywhere. i wish sig would release more barrel extensions. its hard to find prefits with one.
Have you considered doing a giveaway with this kind of package?
I've always been told t is bad to install an optics rail that connects the receiver and he foregrip, like is done here. It is better to just have a shorter one on the receiver and use a cantilever optic mount to adjust.
On an AR, you would be right. There is a lot of wiggle between the upper receiver and the for-end. On the Cross, it’s a very sturdy connection and doesn’t seem to have any issues with that.
308, please!
Like others are asking….. how the heck are you cutting the foam?
It's unfortunate that the rifle didn't shoot a little better. Especially with the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 22 CM did OK, but the 6 GT was the clear winner. I have come to expect sub MOA out of gas guns and close to sub half MOA out of bolt guns.
The days of 1.5 MOA being the norm appear to be over.
Gavin, factory Hunting rifle, Carbon wrapped barrel or fluted steel. Looking at the Bergara Crest Carbon vs the Crest with fluted steel barrel, which do you prefer?. I like accurate guns like you.
I need someone help to cut foam for a rifle me and a buddy did mine and we didn't do a great job lol 😅😅
ODIN, 223 wylde 1/8 twist so i can cheaply shoot all day
Damn how do you get that lasercut custom foam!
Do you still have the Orange Vise for jobs like that?
It looks to group as well as the mossberg rifle?..
HTF did you get your hands on a Caldwell radar??????? Not fair. I paid for one and waited forever to get a canformation on an order. I would willingly pay for one if it ia trully available to the GP.
Trying to put together a decent budget friendly midweight chassis rifle system for hunting with a 6.5 PRC or 7 PRC. Kinda looking at Howa 1500 barreled action and MDT LSS or Oryx chassis. Thoughts or recommendations?
Do you use a plumb bob when leaving a scope or just the scope level I saw in the vid?
So, basically what you’re saying is that it’s like the Sig 320, by the base model and then spend a bunch of money on upgrades to make it decent and reliable.
Do yourself and the rifle being tested a favor and use some sort of target with some grid lines. For me, its kinda hard to hold exact same point of aim with just circles. (unless you are using the corner of the paper and dialing to be on target.)
What size/model pelican vault cases is that?
Where can I get this rifle? I want to order one. Thanks.
What’s the function of the spring under the picatinnyrail?
Bolt catch.
Finally
Love the tape on the go gauge trick. Not impressed with the groups.
how would I get one in a 22cm
Pretty poor accuracy for a chassis rifle. I'm curious what a proof or benchmark barrel would shoot like.
rather than a Sig Cross I would put a Tikka in a MDT chassis and have a more accurate rifle and be at the same price point.
Your scope is mounted across two different pieces of hand rail
It is one long rail across the top of the receiver-handguard
Yes, this!
If you watched the video he shows putting the once piece rail on it.
Not using a screw for barrel retention was such a missed opportunity in my opinion!
shocked, you did not use a torque wrench
Just grossed out that you would consider this platform in anything other than God's caliber, the mighty 308.
Lets take a $1600 rifle and make it $2300!!! yay! Go custom and get exactly what you want for that price. Too many good actions, stocks/chassis and pre fits these days.
Beautiful setup, however, I'm not buying the hype. As a SFSC grad, i wouldnt pick the sig cross or anything sig to do anything. Build yourself a custom bolt action, way more accurate.
To much creedmoor, 7 prc maybe? 6.5 okay for deer, antelope. But from everything from deer to moose, 7 prc seems logical. Never replace my .308 and 300 WM. But imo 6.5 isn’t a viable all around hunting round.
I wanted this very sexy rifle in 6,5CM but when I saw number of videos, I decided not to buy,because it never ever shoots some very good groups. It always shoots very average or even worse than average groups.
Accuracy not great, clearly.
Maybe I am wrong, but these seem like some disappointing groups to me. Awesome looking rig, but I guess I expect a little better performance.
That thing is a piece of junk!
Sry not impressed with the Accuracy of this Sig the only Barrel that was acceptable was the GT for a Chassis Type Rifle no thanks i stay with my Mauser, Anschütz and Steel Action Rifles
Almost zero load development with only a few different types of ammo and they all almost shot 1 MOA. Have a cross and it didn’t shoot any of the few factory ammo I tried very good(1-1/4in) first hand load with H4350 I tried and it shot 1/2in. Your right the groups showed weren’t necessarily impressive but judging a whole class of rifle off one showing in three entire different cartridges is maybe a touch impromptu.
@@ryankoch3958 most of this Groups where way taller then 1 MOA not everybody is a Reloader i am but a Rifle with the Pricetag of a Cross should do better with Factory offerings my Mauser M12, Anschütz 1771 and Steel Action HS & HM (6.5x55SE 223 308 and 8x57IS) where easy under MOA with cheap Geco Factory loads they got even better with Handloads yes these Rifles are not much cheaper or equal Priced then the Cross but i would be more then angry if i spend 2.5k € for a Rifle with 1 Barrel that shoots this type of Groups with 1 or 2 Loadings yeah but they where all not pretty only the GT Was good.
@@lenzadlberger I only paid 870 USD plus tax for my Cross. I’ve been disappointed more by many other rifles than my cross in the same or a little bit more price point-with factory ammo a bergara b-14 to name one. I guess geographical differences putting the cross in the semi custom rifle price point would make that accuracy unacceptable but even still I think most people would find 1-1/4in more than acceptable out of a light rifle.
@@ryankoch3958 for 870$ ok that is not bad and yes Bergaras can be Ammopicky as well i was frustrated with a B14 also only shot some Matchbullets good, Leadfree Hunting Bullets none i tried so i sold it ...
Yes Rifle Prices are insanly different from the US to Europe, your Lowtier Rifles cost at least 1k € ( Ruger American), on the other Hand we pay 3.5k for a Blaser R8 in Germany in the US i heard they run at around 7-8k .... CustomsDuties are the Problem on both side ...
@@ryankoch3958where are you finding it for anywhere close to that price?
Love my Sig cross Sawtooth 7prc 🇺🇸🫡
Tell me more please I am looking at one and need the down low for a elk hunting rig
@@nickcfrommn9248
Love it.
Worth the 💰
It’s a little heavy but I can spot my hits.
🦌🐗🐻🫎Elk!
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