Topping and prepping a cedar log for pick-up.
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Use HD setting. Been asked a lot of questions since the last video (Cedar topping). Hopefully this answer a few. This the final stages from a climber perspective. Not a huge tree at approx 130ft. The number of ribbons indicate the DBH of the pole, which is important in regards to the order of which logs are picked up first and last. Bigger logs are picked up last when the Helicopter is carrying less fuel, hence less weight. My climbline is 150ft...which would give me the option to make it to the ground SRT in an emergency....but otherwise allows me to rappel 75 ft doubled line until I run out of rope. Then I walk down the remainder which is easy enough. To carry a longer climbline would mean packing more weight up the tree....so a trade off, of sorts.
I’ve been laughed at for cutting a groove like that to descend before, but now that I see Reg doing it, I know I’m good to go!
Reg I like the way you have all your tools set up from your rope sack to the little ribbon feeder pocket always enjoyed watchin your work your a thinker of thinkers stay safe out there friend
Depends on the size and terrain between trees. You might be hiking through snow and up a hillside, trying to read a map to find the next tree....sometimes 15 mins away. You get 6 hours between drop off and pick up. Some of the cedars on that hill were upto 170 feet. Over 100 limbs per tree. Its a lot of pressure against the clock. Somedays you might only get 4-5 big ones done. Other times 8 - 12 smaller.
Yeah but he'll you're logging and with a lot of luck Mt Rainier will do the Mt Saint kayno 4ya and a few days after the pummy cools y'all and 3 feet of wet snow will be sharing the joy and happiness your first strip on Mount Rainier in the great state of Thrashington
I think I put this answer in the wrong place. Thanks for the reminder Robert
Robert Hawn Learn how to spell Robert...For fucks sake...
I like the idea of a backup to a steel core flip anyways. that's an awesome idea, reg.
arborhead- I was wondering about that. Is that an area prone to failure over time or is it being backed up because it is a snap hook ? thanks
Reg once spoke of a climber who's wire core flip line broke at the connection to the snap resulting in fatality, that's why he back's his up.
Man Reg, good job, I'll b back at the tree house soon to hang out. Stay safe and as always keep the real professional videos coming. :)
Neat look into the world of helicopter logging.
Here's another option to drop down the spar 50' at a time: Choke off the working end with an HMS or oval biner. Run the line from the bottom of your micro pulley up through the carabiner at the top. This gives you a retrievable 3/1 with a little extra friction. Rappel down to the running end and lanyard in. Take your weight off the working end, and pull the running end to release.
It's a system I learned from Lawrence Shultz. He may have a video on it somewhere. It's especially handy for chunking down conifers.
I’d love to see a sketch or pic of that arrangement 🤔
Jamison timberfalling
@@cameronb76 I just threw a video together. I'll send you the link when it uploads.
@@cameronb76 ruclips.net/video/1AaJSR3C3Xw/видео.html
One thing id like to know reg is how do you know where to top it out and that it wont be to heavy for the heli picking it up and obviously to small and there wasting money picking it up.
+heritage .trees They measure the DBH at the bottom first. Then tell you to top it at 8in diam or wider if the top is not safe to climb higher. You put x amount of flags on the tree based on the dbh. The big Chopper will select the light logs first....then the bigger ones when theyre carrying less fuel. They pretty much have it all calibrated at this stage.
REG... Figure 8 on the end of that 150 ft climbing line. Geeks me out watching you decend on that. Be good, God Bless... I am indebt to you more than you can know! Cheers Mate!
its there Tom. Look carefully.
10-4, I should have looked more carefully!
That would be a perfect place for a camera. Build a weather proof box for a camera, run some power up to it and use a remote to operate the camera. You could see storms and such moving into the area, sunrises, sunsets, etc?
Those trees are quite high! good job
This is such a cool video - everything is so well thought out! How do the ropes tolerate sliding through the notch at the top?
Thx for posting this.
Hello Reg, I was wondering about the wear on the rope while you descend, with the rope sliding on that top notch. I'm a rock climber and in the situations that I'm familiar with (rock climbing) that's a lot of friction that would reduce greatly the life of the rope, therefore something to avoid as much as possible.
Do arborist ropes have a thicker outer layer? and are they meant to be used like that?
thank you for your content, I discovered one of your videos quite randomly and at some point I hope I can have a taste of this industry!
Modern tree climbing ropes are typically kernmantle construction like rock ropes. The difference is they are thicker with a tougher outer layer and semi static so less movement
Hi as others have mentioned, doesn’t the grove damage the rope?
Hey buddy what is the best way to tell when you have enough hinge would in the tree is ready to go and you can stop cutting I always get nervous that I'm going to leave too much and it's gonna pull the top down against the tree
I gotta ask what is the purpose for the blue cord on the right hand side of your flipline
that 2 way snap on the flip line is ready for the bin Jared. it can be opened with pressure on the gate. didn't realise until I got out there. so I backed it up by setting a split tail with carabiner. not taking any chances.
+Reg Coates Treestuff.com! Nice work, as always Reg.
I used to back up all my flip lines the same way even The perfect functioning ones.
that is professional
""Respect"" 👍
wat a amazing place to work in
What is the advantage of rope snaps vs. the double locking caribiners? Thanks!
Thanks for explaining Reg
what kind of bag is it that you use to tote you climbing line in the tree? I've hooked it to my harness but it snags everything.
Its a dry bag with shoulder straps. Got it from a kayak store.
reg how do you get into forestry climbing? is this a Canadian thing? im from the states havent seen much of this before thanks
Standing stem harvesting, or logging might be a good search word. Theres companies out there that specialize in that form or extraction. Its an logging initiative that leaves a forest intact by singling out specific trees, as opposed to clearcutting a whole area. Perhaps its just not caught on in the US.
So reg iv noticed most of these trees ur doing it doesnt look like there is anything around them. Do u climb for private jobs of hazard control or r u under a contract for marked trees? Whats the purpose pf removing these trees kinda in the middle of nowhere unless im not seeing a house or something close by. I do kno these trees are very tall so a structure could be aways away and still be in danger zone
This video was just showing part of the process during a heli logging operation....where by the trees are stripped, topped and then later picked up by an Erickson skycrane helicopter. The flagging tape is to make the stem visible to the pilot. 1 to 3 ribbons are tied to distinguish the weight of each stem. There should be a compilation vid from that hillside called Heli logging I think, which shows a lot more than this one tree. Otherwise we do lots of residential trees around houses and structures too, and there should be many throughout the videos whenever you have the time and inclination to seek them out.
Hi Reg!:)
Another great video!
Was just wondering Which kind of friction hitch are you climbing on here?
Thanks
Mark
What is the big purpose behind this type of logging? Is the timber so tall that a guy can’t get things laid around the hill or is the ground to broken? I always wanted to do some standing stem but I fail to know when it should be used...how to market the idea and mostly how to make it pay...are these cedar so brittle that they can’t take it and still yield the intended product? The only thing I could fathom is for poles and needing to insure structural soundness if the log but I doubt these are for poles...sincerely interested. Great vids!
The trees are up a mountainside. Very difficult to access without clearcutting and building a road. The logging co doesn't have the option to clearcut this particular stand if trees. So the standing stem extraction allows them to get what they want (cedar) while leaving the remaining forest in tact.
Copy...we do lots of select cut heli around here also thinned stands but if they are just taking a tree here and there...yeah it’s intriguing for sure. Keep it up!
@@TimberTramp there was well over 100 trees removed from that site. The taller ones up to 170. Some more views from the same job : ruclips.net/video/wXAx62WXBuU/видео.html
awesome video. learned something, thank you
I wouldve taken a 200 or 250 ft line up
And came down on a fig 8 if i had to...climbing down is dangerous i think
Its actually much easier than spurring up, Ken. Just takes s little practice
How are you and i the same species lol? 0% chance i could do that job
Do you usually only use a lanyard and spurs?
It's not common to rapel down when stemming, but definitely easier on the body eh
Reg,
U're da man. Any chance u could throw a little stopper knot on the end of the blaze rap line? I know you are paying attention, but you would be amazed how many folks loose their focus at the wrong time and are off to the races. More in the rock/ice climbing world. I've lost a couple of friends that way and had a near miss personally with the end of the rope sneaking up fast. You got a new Sthil top handle? Last I knew you ran over one with a ram pickup? WTF?
There's a stopper in there Paul. Keep up now. Somebody lent me that saw to try. Yeah its a good one.
+Reg Coates
Mark here. I see it now. my bad.
So, I assume you drop it then a chopper picks is up? Or do you hook it up and a chopper puts pressure on it, THEN you cut it?
They get cut leaving just a strip of hingwood in the middle, so they are weakened but remain standing. then the monster heli flies by and plucks them. if you were to fall them, they'd be no point climbing the at all. but it'd hard and slow for the heli to locate and pick them among other standing trees that way.
Oh makes sense. That's kinda what I thought, wouldn't make sense to climb. Then I thought if they were going to take the tree still standing that you would install a cable at the top of the tree to attach to. So the heli has some kind of grapple device to pick it up? Must be a monster!
+D. Ryan Shaw that's right, they grapple it. Google 'Ericson air crane' for more info.
+Reg Coates very cool job!
Reg how many trees can you skin and top in a day? Assuming fine weather and a similar average tree size?
Hi Stephen. Just realized I answered your question in the wrong place 2 months back. Scroll down the comments and youll find it
why not a friction saver choked around the stem Reg?
if i'd had one I'd probably have used it Jan. but as it was, I didn't loose too much time. you have a ton of gear to carry around those hills as is. the hiking part was harder than the tree work.
I know it may be different here in the states. What would be your advise for a contract climber? Is traveling and climbing something you have ever done Reg?
James Swanson My advice for anyone thinking of contract climbing would be do it for a while for the experience, maybe 5 years, then get out and start your own biz. Because ultimately, it's a road to nowhere. I was a contract climber for 22 years or more, through 4 countries and about 150 different tree companies. It was a living, but I didn't really keep any money from it all. Although I made a lot of money for, and enhanced the reputations of the guys I'd worked for during.
Impressionnant !
Heli logging now or just on a short project Reg?
correct. last 3 vids all part of the same job.
nice job
Unbeleivable places ive seen you work man. How tall were those trees you were in, im guessing 150 200 ft.
On this particular site, upto about 170 I think, Robert. On some of the cathedral grove videos, 230 or more
@@Recoates man, you do impressive work reg, always have enjoyed your videos. Thx for responding. Are your elbows still better since going srt. Im in the chsngeover period and im gonna see if it helps mine to. I mostly do bucket work but i climb when no truck access.
@@robertbettis6552 my elbows are like new again
@@Recoates great to hear man!!!
I would just parachute down. And if any ladies were watching, I'd use a wingsuit.
Reg any thoughts on the "tree squeeze" device?
Only that I'd never buy one
@@Recoates because they're expensive or because you don't trust similar devices?
@@Andrew-is1yd they don't solve anything. And only usable on skinny trees.
@@Recoates interesting, I've gotten some good use out of them. Anyways I heard you on the climbing arborist podcast and I loved it. I think I listened to it like three times already. Do you ever write or blog your thoughts anywhere?
@@Andrew-is1yd no, theres no blog. I couldn't really find the time as things stand
What kind of boots r those your wearing?
Caulk boots, by viking
Thank you mate. The notice just popped up.
👍🏼👍🏼
Have you ever had a top go the wrong way on you
Not really. I may have had a couple pull slightly to one side but if no consequence
@@Recoates it is my biggest fear in a tree haha
In a tree this tall I'm dragging 225 feet of "velocity Hot" ,... Forget walking back down ...
Not speaking for him, but he has to de limb the tree on the way up. He is mostly by himself all day, Im guessing? so he can't afford snags on his line... hence the bag. Although, if you want to pay astounding amounts of money on really thin rope that is hard on the hands, you could half the diameter with nearly the same strength.
You all do it backwards.... we cut the tree DOWN first, then limb it 🤔
True. I've found the tree hits the ground really fast that way, then usually has to go back up somewhere. Into a truck, up a big hill out of a backyard, or in this case up to a helicopter.
just for fun, tie it to a tree and your pick up and see if it breaks
My legs shake climbing my 20 ft ladder 😆 hell no