Easily, but as far as whether posthumous albums are a good idea or not completely depends on who is handling it, Mac Miller and Juice Wrld have had really good teams of people working on their posthumous stuff, Pop Smoke and X have had awful people working on it who are in it for the money
@@iancohen1986 thats because its the only one that was pretty much done already😂 the rest of em sound like vocals scrapped together thrown onto overproduced tracks
In a perfect world every posthumous album would be handled by someone very close to the artists that was working on the music with them. Not a Mom or a girlfriend but a producer or collaborator that was the next most involved in the project. For example, hopefully this never happens but if 21 Savage and Metro Boomin were working on savage mode 3 and 21 passed I would have no problem with metro finishing the album if it was near completion
I forget that Mac Miller's "Circles" is a Posthumus Album, just because of the way it was executed. It was rolled out so nicely, and to this day it is one of my favourites posthumous albums of all time. Edit: Congrats on 27K Subscribers. Keep Going 🔥
Some of X's posthumous songs are literally just him freestyling and recording it with his phone. Then someone slaps a generic beat on that and sells 2 features to some soundcloud rappers. And without proper mixing or mastering it's released as a posthumous "album". To me that's just disrespectful to the artist and that his mother is behind it doesn't make it any better imo..
So happy they are working on Nipsey’s with care. He was so instrumental in Southern California and culturally, excited to see him getting his due respect 🙏
It really depends on how the album is released and what the music sounds like. In the case of Mac Miller that posthumous album was incredibly well thought out and respectful to his legacy and memory. In the case of X that posthumous album was a spit in the fact to all his fans and to X himself. For artists like Juice or Pop Smoke the answer lies somewhere in between those 2. In my eyes Mac Miller’s Circles is the perfect posthumous album and X’s Bad Vibes Forever is the perfect example of what a posthumous album shouldn’t be. I personally think Shoot for the Stars and Legends Never Die are good albums that fall on the respectful side and Faith has some good songs but falls closer to the disrespectful side.
so happy theyre not milking Mac. imo they did his album PERFECTLY. no extra money grabs, only one post on his instagram, one album that he pretty much had finished. Circles is a perfect album 10/10
I agree with Circles being executed perfectly. Did not feel like a posthumous album. Another great posthumous album I can think of is Jeff Buckley's "Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk". Not a hip hop record but fantastic nonetheless.
I personally feel that when a artist passes away, one posthumous album should be allowed to be released. Carry out their vision and put a spotlight on their very best tracks that we haven’t heard before. Circles is a perfect example of this.
@@stasxo ong every time an artist dies everyone is going to look back at this album...this album beat so much records and it funny how most where leaked for 1-2 years. I hope juice next album/mixtape does crazy too
I think in the case of Juice I understand how the whole thing looks sketchy with the over promotion and Juice's lack of creative ability on the albums, however I think that Juice has enough finished and good songs in the vault that they could drop 5 more albums and I would enjoy them and I don't think it would really hurt his legacy that much cause they are finished songs.
the music companies are ruthless, when an artiste dies they want to make all the money they invested in the artiste back and more, they don't care about the artistes legacy. its just all about the money for them.
I think the problems comes when there are multiple posthumous albums. For example XXXTENTACION's lable has put out 2 studio albums and one deluxe edition of extremly low quality which feels very disrespectful. I'm kinda woried that the same thing is going to happen to Juice WRLD since he apparently has another posthumous record on the way great video btw about a very important subject
In my opinion it completely depends on how much music an artist really had left. For example The Party Never Ends has been confirmed to not be the last posthumous album for Juice WRLD, but he has over 3000 songs completely finished and ready to be released. And looking at leaked songs online most of them are definitely good enough to release. In X's case skins was the last thing he was working on, and looking at how much they had left to squeeze into Bad Vibes Forever they could've easily combined the 2 into a single decent posthumous album.
Often times most these artists are releasing music for the estates of their family. At first I was very anti profiting off death of artists due to the labels making money off dead artists but families of these artists are also making money and they kinda have to. Cleo, Afeni Shakur, Pop Smoke’s mom all have went through considerable amount of grief losing their sons at such a young age and I’m pretty sure most of them would’ve loved for their parents to continue making money if they believed they were to pass away before them. It would be selfish for us to not want them to make money because we don’t want to “ruin” their discography.
I agree, their family deserves money but X particular was handled so poorly, they're still selling NFTs and the museum part is kind of sickening in my opinion
Money is going to the families but think about the money hungry corrupt officials that are profiting and tainting an artist's legacy. They can make merchandise to sell that can help the families but you do not need to create projects like this.
Have to remember some of these artists did not have a long career like XXX or Popsmoke vs someone like Mac Miller who did have a long career and was very successful early on, Mac had capitalized on most of his potential earnings already vs X or Pop and his family was probably much more financially secure because of that. Something like this plays a big part on how much material the estate will release, Tu Pac is an interesting case because he did sell a lot of records and they still put out way too much posthumous material
As a hip hop fan of over 20 years I have had a few favorites that have stayed consistent throughout time. My favorite of all time is ye, but one guy gave me so much hope and excitement waiting to see what they do next and where they are taking this sound that I am so in love with and so impressed with, and gave me actual excitement to be a fan was XXX. As an artist he just blew my mind and was so versatile. When he died it truly crushed me. His family destroyed what would have been such a greater legacy than it is due to the posthumous releases. I truly think if they weren’t so ready to pimp his dead body and name they could have put out one album that could have been arguably his best. Even though the albums overall were not cohesive and stretched so thin to the point where multiple songs are only about 20% X, some of his best songs were found on the posthumous releases. Songs like Train food, Staring at the sky, BAD!, one minute, Triumph, Ex Bitch, Hearteater, and Bad Vibes Forever you could stitch together a 10-12 track project with those and did a better job putting together other references and it would have been very good. It truly kills me what they did to him with those albums. I know as a fan he wouldn’t be happy with it. Now you’re in a situation where as a fan they used every drop up in less than 2 years and that’s it after that. Shit sucks
I feel that Posthumous albums should not even be a thing. I feel that it disrespects an artist because they truly are the only ones who will know what they want to be released. I feel that it is disrespectful to many artists such as popsmoke. His second posthumous album was not well made at all and frankly, it was not his vision. The artist will only know their vision and to be respectful, I feel that they should not ruin their catalogue.
Another example of a posthumous release (that isn't hip hop) Is the compositions of Kurt Cobain. After his passing, the band still had a contract to fulfill and they released Unplugged [1994]. A beautiful Acoustic performance with a calming vibe, and memorable performances, and a respectable ending to the Cobain era. Muddy Banks of the Wishkah[1996], is a live album with from different shows with different songs, and all handpicked by Krist. It's kinda eh, not a great live album. The album to end the contract, is there self titled album [2002], which is basically a greatest hits. But it got all the hype because they were releasing a unreleased song with it (You Know You're Right). It's a good greatest hits collection (but i would've rearranged the track list). A lil while later, the band released With The Lights Out, with almost anything they can get there hands on, to demos, rare live recordings, and great unreleased songs. Even Kurts final song, recorded ten days before "Do Re Mi". Yes it's technically a big dump of content, but it doesn't miss. To the earliest video recording of the band, rare videos, and others. And they do it again with deluxe versions of Nirvana albums (including full era shows on the deluxe). And most recently in 2015, was Kurts first solo album "Montage of Heck", which was made cuz of a doc on him. It contains MOST of the music in the documentary, which are all solo Cobain demos, of some songs we've heard before or not, or random sounds. Don't get me wrong, i love Kurt music, completed or not. But in he was still here, he'd never want his band demos or stuff he recorded in his house to the public. The estate is mostly owned by his widow Courtney Love...yep. So every posthumous release is a cash grab, and his legacy and privacy is being destroyed each time. But the fans have been starving for content for 27 years, especially when we know there's more out there, and alot is lost (mostly from Daves basement flood). But hey, it's a tale of 2 cities on this one.
You guys have been killing it! Almost at 30k now🙏🏽 Also I feel like an artist should only have one posthumous album, doesn’t matter who it is that’s how it should be in my opinion
I think it has to be near finished, a clear idea, and one or two close collaborators making the decisions alone. Artists don't want certain half finished songs released. That's why they didn't release them.
I feel like if the artist has music they recorded they could do something like untitled unmastered from Kendrick. Touch it up a little bit but don't bombard it with features and have a more artificial product keep it real and raw. Don't make it seem like an album just have it as music that people can listen too.
i feel like they should try and find all the songs the artist would be happy with releasing and release them in volumes so like juice wrld volume 1 then the next year when they find new songs it’s volume 2
I think that if the artist was almost finished with an album than it should be released like SFTSAFTM. But the managers shouldn't release ft full albums like faith
I have mixed opinions on posthumous albums because when it's good, it's really good but when it's bad, it's ridiculously bad. I feel like if the artist had nearly completed the album then it should be released to the fans because it was the artist's vision, but if the label has to cut up different songs and make an album then no, they can keep it. I'd rather get a really good single that was finished by the artist than a whole album that is compromised of scrapped or unfinished songs. Circles is a great example of a posthumous album done right whereas Bad Vibes Forever where half of the songs have like 2 to 3 features and you can barely hear the artist. Pop Smoke's team did a great job on SFTSAFTM but I feel like they rushed Faith and that was why it underperformed. I really hope they don't mess up Juice Wrld's next album.
In my opinion, if possible, there should only be 1 posthumous album released after the artists death. Minimal features too. Eg Circles / Legends Never Die. After that.. we should allow the artist to rest, before their legacy gets tainted by bad music Eg. Pop Smoke, X
Circles is the beat one because Mac was pretty much done with the album before he passed so the label really didn’t mess with it they just let Jon Brion do what he do
Thank you guys, this what we needed to it hear🥺🤞🏾❤ Lets look at an artist like Kanye West, that's known for being perfectionist and doesn't get satisfy easily with his work, do you believe that if one day he passes away and his team decided to release the album, do you goes think that would meet his vision? That's why I agree with yall And another thing, I think that one posthumous album is enough, but releasing another after another, we really start to see that yall don't want to satisfy the fans, you guys just care about the money🤷🏾♂️
It’s it’s not 80% done, I don’t think they should release it, the newest pop smoke album really gave me the vibe of the last X albums, where they seem super unfinished and just destroyed with big features.
i think it depends on whether the artist would’ve liked to see those songs released or not, and that’s always hard to measure and people opinions will differ. Fighting demons by juice wrld is the biggest L for me cus he’s literally just ranting about his problems in those songs explicitly like “my life in a nutshell” he never would’ve released especially since towards the end of his life he was focusing on more positive music hense “the party never ends” being positive
I definitely rock with lnd, but the promo for the pne also runs me the wrong way, features like uzi don’t really bother me because they were close when he was alive, but I don’t think doing all this extra shit isn’t cool. If you are releasing multiple parts then just release multiple albums instead because they would all feel complete. Personally I think they should have just released outsiders instead of doing this pne out of respect then try and make an interpretation of what he wanted. Even though most of the outsiders leaked I think they should have released it due to it being a complete vision from juice wrld.
If an artist passes and has a album drop after they die that was going to be released anyways (such as Pacs Makaveli and Biggies Life after Death) it’s ok anything else no
I feel as if the artist finished the album or song and actually planned to release it then by all means release it but when you have a lot of tracks where it sounds like demos and it obviously isnt finished like Bad Vibes Forever then it would be better not to release it also on that album hearteater and ugly are scrapped song that X might have never put out
I’m a massive X fan & what they’re doing is so messed up. Personally I did like Skins, & also thought BVF was completely trash 🤮 they could’ve done so much better.
@@NFRPodcast the album has to be at least 75% done and has to be worked on buy people that were close to the artist before passing (ex. Lil Durk/King Von, 50 Cent/Pop Smoke, Jon Brion/Mac Miller)
I think posthumous collabs are bad in general for example they wanted tupac and biggie on a song after they both died even tho they wanted each other dead or the lil peep X thing where there was some confusion between the 2 and they still dropped their "collab"
Juice wrld had enough material for there to be 3 albums. It's not a cash grab. He had enough material for 100 albums. How is making 3 twenty song albums under 1 project a cash grab? Makes no sense. The difference between a lot of these artists and juice wrld is this: juice wrld has full complete songs. Hook and 2 verses, many with bridges. Don't compare xxx posthumous albums when they trash cuz he's barley in the songs and theyre throwaway clips to juice wrld who has enough material for literally thousands of full complete hits. Fighting demons is my favorite album. Great great music. The only reason other fans complain about it is cuz they wanted his label to take the route away from his sad shit. I fell in love with juice because of his sad music. I want it all. Hope he drops every song! Juice da goat 💯
Fighting demons your favorite album? That one was the most like a ‘cash grab’ because albums like GBGR or Legends Never Die had an actual track list that made sense, goodbye and good riddance being a breakup, with stages like acceptance and stuff, whilst albums like fighting demons were some of the most random songs put together without a second thought
@@Oceanqtic the track list made since to me. Just because ur not keen to following trends doesnt mean other people cant discover the theme. That's a sorry ass excuse to not like an album anyway. If u take a random song from every album and rank them against each other until theres no more songs then fighting demon has the most wins in my opinion. If I hadn't found a theme in the album I'd still rank it first. His best songs are on that album. Best by a mile.
If they don't have enough music to make another album, and they have to put tons of songs with like 1 verse and tons of features, they shouldn't release it. Also only if the songs have good recorded quality too, like CHANGED HER LIFE ~ XXXTENTACION FT. Rick Ross, was terrible. That was not a studio version of X's hook, and Skins was very unfinished. I hate when fans say it was finished. It wasn't. X fans are so toxic also, that song with Lil Nas X might never release now, that was actually a decent song too. Faith and BVF were messy af, a lot of those songs sounded unfinished with added verses, I think Pop Smokes label is secretly running out of his unreleased material just like X's team is. That's why their was all the added features. SFTSAFTM was a great posthumous album, that's how posthumous albums should be handled, by people who were close just mixing and mastering songs, also I don't mind features on posthumous records as long as they fit the vibe, and add to the song, not just their to fill an open verse and add time to the record.
My rule is you include the first posthumous record and the rest are gone. If you include all these f Tupac’s posthumous albums he falls off as a top 5 artist if you don’t include Biggies posthumous double album then biggie only has 1 album so neither would be in not only a top 5 but not even top 10 and arguably top 20.
X's family and camps decisions disgust me. With the whole museum, and with bad vibes forever they changed some of his songs just to add verses from people who paid them the most money, and now these "NFT's". Shit is awful.
Smh I also heard Aaliyah camp's want to release album also she a legend I do hope it's not true they wanna wreck a beautiful career of someone who died a long time ago
I got an answer...give back everything yall have in this world; cause everything everybody have, is benefit off of posthumous; lets see how yall survive this millennium.
In my opinion, a posthumous album shouldn’t be picking out loose verses and making songs out of it, if the songs aren’t complete they aren’t complete, so be it.
Circles is easily the best out of all of these ✅✅✅
Easily, but as far as whether posthumous albums are a good idea or not completely depends on who is handling it, Mac Miller and Juice Wrld have had really good teams of people working on their posthumous stuff, Pop Smoke and X have had awful people working on it who are in it for the money
We need to hope that the camps have the artist's best interests in mind at all times🙏
Beautiful album🙏
Easily.
1. Circles
2. Juice WLRD
3. Pop Smoke
@@iancohen1986 thats because its the only one that was pretty much done already😂 the rest of em sound like vocals scrapped together thrown onto overproduced tracks
In a perfect world every posthumous album would be handled by someone very close to the artists that was working on the music with them. Not a Mom or a girlfriend but a producer or collaborator that was the next most involved in the project. For example, hopefully this never happens but if 21 Savage and Metro Boomin were working on savage mode 3 and 21 passed I would have no problem with metro finishing the album if it was near completion
I totally agree🙌🏾❤
I like this breakdown!
Totally agree
I forget that Mac Miller's "Circles" is a Posthumus Album, just because of the way it was executed. It was rolled out so nicely, and to this day it is one of my favourites posthumous albums of all time.
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Thanks Ricardo🤝 That's a great point, Circles didn't even feel like a posthumous album!
I’m pretty sure he had completed the album before he passed away, so it doesn’t feel scattered at all
circles is his best work i wish he released it early
Fuck a posthumous album, it’s my favorite album of all time
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Some of X's posthumous songs are literally just him freestyling and recording it with his phone.
Then someone slaps a generic beat on that and sells 2 features to some soundcloud rappers. And without proper mixing or mastering it's released as a posthumous "album".
To me that's just disrespectful to the artist and that his mother is behind it doesn't make it any better imo..
So happy they are working on Nipsey’s with care. He was so instrumental in Southern California and culturally, excited to see him getting his due respect 🙏
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It really depends on how the album is released and what the music sounds like. In the case of Mac Miller that posthumous album was incredibly well thought out and respectful to his legacy and memory. In the case of X that posthumous album was a spit in the fact to all his fans and to X himself. For artists like Juice or Pop Smoke the answer lies somewhere in between those 2. In my eyes Mac Miller’s Circles is the perfect posthumous album and X’s Bad Vibes Forever is the perfect example of what a posthumous album shouldn’t be. I personally think Shoot for the Stars and Legends Never Die are good albums that fall on the respectful side and Faith has some good songs but falls closer to the disrespectful side.
so happy theyre not milking Mac. imo they did his album PERFECTLY. no extra money grabs, only one post on his instagram, one album that he pretty much had finished. Circles is a perfect album 10/10
I agree with Circles being executed perfectly. Did not feel like a posthumous album. Another great posthumous album I can think of is Jeff Buckley's "Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk". Not a hip hop record but fantastic nonetheless.
I personally feel that when a artist passes away, one posthumous album should be allowed to be released. Carry out their vision and put a spotlight on their very best tracks that we haven’t heard before. Circles is a perfect example of this.
Legends never die one of the best posthumous album ever ong
You ever heard circles?
He said ONE of the best
@@cd0859 not a big fan of Mac Miller, no😪
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@@stasxo ong every time an artist dies everyone is going to look back at this album...this album beat so much records and it funny how most where leaked for 1-2 years. I hope juice next album/mixtape does crazy too
Not a lot of people talk about DMX’s Exodus. I think it was a great way to finish off his legacy
I think in the case of Juice I understand how the whole thing looks sketchy with the over promotion and Juice's lack of creative ability on the albums, however I think that Juice has enough finished and good songs in the vault that they could drop 5 more albums and I would enjoy them and I don't think it would really hurt his legacy that much cause they are finished songs.
the music companies are ruthless, when an artiste dies they want to make all the money they invested in the artiste back and more, they don't care about the artistes legacy. its just all about the money for them.
Do you think posthumous albums should still be getting released?
@@NFRPodcast if it is finish song ofc but if not people will not listen to as much
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Love how passionate Luca got about this, he was spitting truth man.
I think the problems comes when there are multiple posthumous albums. For example XXXTENTACION's lable has put out 2 studio albums and one deluxe edition of extremly low quality which feels very disrespectful. I'm kinda woried that the same thing is going to happen to Juice WRLD since he apparently has another posthumous record on the way
great video btw about a very important subject
i think that artists should put albums and projects into their will. so they we will truly know what they want to drop.
It's nice to see some stuff on the cutting room floor. But the mashing and feature loading is ridiculous.
In my opinion it completely depends on how much music an artist really had left. For example The Party Never Ends has been confirmed to not be the last posthumous album for Juice WRLD, but he has over 3000 songs completely finished and ready to be released. And looking at leaked songs online most of them are definitely good enough to release. In X's case skins was the last thing he was working on, and looking at how much they had left to squeeze into Bad Vibes Forever they could've easily combined the 2 into a single decent posthumous album.
Often times most these artists are releasing music for the estates of their family. At first I was very anti profiting off death of artists due to the labels making money off dead artists but families of these artists are also making money and they kinda have to. Cleo, Afeni Shakur, Pop Smoke’s mom all have went through considerable amount of grief losing their sons at such a young age and I’m pretty sure most of them would’ve loved for their parents to continue making money if they believed they were to pass away before them. It would be selfish for us to not want them to make money because we don’t want to “ruin” their discography.
I agree, their family deserves money but X particular was handled so poorly, they're still selling NFTs and the museum part is kind of sickening in my opinion
Money is going to the families but think about the money hungry corrupt officials that are profiting and tainting an artist's legacy. They can make merchandise to sell that can help the families but you do not need to create projects like this.
Have to remember some of these artists did not have a long career like XXX or Popsmoke vs someone like Mac Miller who did have a long career and was very successful early on, Mac had capitalized on most of his potential earnings already vs X or Pop and his family was probably much more financially secure because of that.
Something like this plays a big part on how much material the estate will release, Tu Pac is an interesting case because he did sell a lot of records and they still put out way too much posthumous material
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Circles by Mac Miller is without question my favorite posthumous album in recent memory.
It was really well done... which song was your favorite?
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As a hip hop fan of over 20 years I have had a few favorites that have stayed consistent throughout time. My favorite of all time is ye, but one guy gave me so much hope and excitement waiting to see what they do next and where they are taking this sound that I am so in love with and so impressed with, and gave me actual excitement to be a fan was XXX. As an artist he just blew my mind and was so versatile. When he died it truly crushed me. His family destroyed what would have been such a greater legacy than it is due to the posthumous releases. I truly think if they weren’t so ready to pimp his dead body and name they could have put out one album that could have been arguably his best. Even though the albums overall were not cohesive and stretched so thin to the point where multiple songs are only about 20% X, some of his best songs were found on the posthumous releases. Songs like Train food, Staring at the sky, BAD!, one minute, Triumph, Ex Bitch, Hearteater, and Bad Vibes Forever you could stitch together a 10-12 track project with those and did a better job putting together other references and it would have been very good. It truly kills me what they did to him with those albums. I know as a fan he wouldn’t be happy with it. Now you’re in a situation where as a fan they used every drop up in less than 2 years and that’s it after that. Shit sucks
Circles: they cared.
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This was great discussion nice guys
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I think sftsaftm is the best posthumous album pop left the blueprint 50 and Steven victor just did the finishing touches
50 Cent knew what he was doing
Mac Miller's Circles is the best posthumous album of all time because of it's rollout and how it respects his legacy.
Yes it was handled with care and was a project that Mac worked on… favorite song from it?
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I feel that Posthumous albums should not even be a thing. I feel that it disrespects an artist because they truly are the only ones who will know what they want to be released. I feel that it is disrespectful to many artists such as popsmoke. His second posthumous album was not well made at all and frankly, it was not his vision. The artist will only know their vision and to be respectful, I feel that they should not ruin their catalogue.
Love How y’all taking about circles ✍🏾
Did this album mean a lot to you?
@@NFRPodcast YES DUDE WE NEED THAT MAC MILLER FULL DISCOGRAPHY RANKING
2pac's posthumous albums might be a little bit hit or miss...but we got Do For Love out of them and I love that song so much
Another example of a posthumous release (that isn't hip hop) Is the compositions of Kurt Cobain. After his passing, the band still had a contract to fulfill and they released Unplugged [1994]. A beautiful Acoustic performance with a calming vibe, and memorable performances, and a respectable ending to the Cobain era. Muddy Banks of the Wishkah[1996], is a live album with from different shows with different songs, and all handpicked by Krist. It's kinda eh, not a great live album. The album to end the contract, is there self titled album [2002], which is basically a greatest hits. But it got all the hype because they were releasing a unreleased song with it (You Know You're Right). It's a good greatest hits collection (but i would've rearranged the track list).
A lil while later, the band released With The Lights Out, with almost anything they can get there hands on, to demos, rare live recordings, and great unreleased songs. Even Kurts final song, recorded ten days before "Do Re Mi". Yes it's technically a big dump of content, but it doesn't miss. To the earliest video recording of the band, rare videos, and others. And they do it again with deluxe versions of Nirvana albums (including full era shows on the deluxe). And most recently in 2015, was Kurts first solo album "Montage of Heck", which was made cuz of a doc on him. It contains MOST of the music in the documentary, which are all solo Cobain demos, of some songs we've heard before or not, or random sounds. Don't get me wrong, i love Kurt music, completed or not. But in he was still here, he'd never want his band demos or stuff he recorded in his house to the public. The estate is mostly owned by his widow Courtney Love...yep. So every posthumous release is a cash grab, and his legacy and privacy is being destroyed each time. But the fans have been starving for content for 27 years, especially when we know there's more out there, and alot is lost (mostly from Daves basement flood). But hey, it's a tale of 2 cities on this one.
unless if the artist said previously that they dont want their vaulted songs/projects released then I think its fair game
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Also I feel like an artist should only have one posthumous album, doesn’t matter who it is that’s how it should be in my opinion
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I think it has to be near finished, a clear idea, and one or two close collaborators making the decisions alone. Artists don't want certain half finished songs released. That's why they didn't release them.
I feel like if the artist has music they recorded they could do something like untitled unmastered from Kendrick. Touch it up a little bit but don't bombard it with features and have a more artificial product keep it real and raw. Don't make it seem like an album just have it as music that people can listen too.
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i feel like they should try and find all the songs the artist would be happy with releasing and release them in volumes so like juice wrld volume 1 then the next year when they find new songs it’s volume 2
I think that if the artist was almost finished with an album than it should be released like SFTSAFTM. But the managers shouldn't release ft full albums like faith
Great video guys again👏. Thoroughly agree with the points you were making. Btw Anthony what watch is that. It looks fire af
Shoot for the stars aim for the moon by pop smoke is the best one imo
Fire episode
I have mixed opinions on posthumous albums because when it's good, it's really good but when it's bad, it's ridiculously bad. I feel like if the artist had nearly completed the album then it should be released to the fans because it was the artist's vision, but if the label has to cut up different songs and make an album then no, they can keep it. I'd rather get a really good single that was finished by the artist than a whole album that is compromised of scrapped or unfinished songs. Circles is a great example of a posthumous album done right whereas Bad Vibes Forever where half of the songs have like 2 to 3 features and you can barely hear the artist. Pop Smoke's team did a great job on SFTSAFTM but I feel like they rushed Faith and that was why it underperformed. I really hope they don't mess up Juice Wrld's next album.
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@@NFRPodcast Yes! I'm hyped!
In my opinion, if possible, there should only be 1 posthumous album released after the artists death. Minimal features too. Eg Circles / Legends Never Die.
After that.. we should allow the artist to rest, before their legacy gets tainted by bad music Eg. Pop Smoke, X
Juice has so many songs unreleased and he would want us to hear them
@@evanbrong there's a reason why some some are unreleased
I’m just gonna have vaulted albums ready with papers tied to them saying that nothing can be changed, just drop that shit.
Injury reserve dropping a semi posthumous single tomorrow fyi
Circles is the beat one because Mac was pretty much done with the album before he passed so the label really didn’t mess with it they just let Jon Brion do what he do
My thoughts: Write into the contract that you control what happens when you die.
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Lets look at an artist like Kanye West, that's known for being perfectionist and doesn't get satisfy easily with his work, do you believe that if one day he passes away and his team decided to release the album, do you goes think that would meet his vision? That's why I agree with yall
And another thing, I think that one posthumous album is enough, but releasing another after another, we really start to see that yall don't want to satisfy the fans, you guys just care about the money🤷🏾♂️
Couldn't agree more Roan we need to gracefully honour the legacies of these great artists🙏
Circles
they did pop smoke so bad man
It’s it’s not 80% done, I don’t think they should release it, the newest pop smoke album really gave me the vibe of the last X albums, where they seem super unfinished and just destroyed with big features.
i got shoot for the stars aim for the moon, perfect send off for pop smoke
and faith sold the career
i think it depends on whether the artist would’ve liked to see those songs released or not, and that’s always hard to measure and people opinions will differ. Fighting demons by juice wrld is the biggest L for me cus he’s literally just ranting about his problems in those songs explicitly like “my life in a nutshell” he never would’ve released especially since towards the end of his life he was focusing on more positive music hense “the party never ends” being positive
I definitely rock with lnd, but the promo for the pne also runs me the wrong way, features like uzi don’t really bother me because they were close when he was alive, but I don’t think doing all this extra shit isn’t cool. If you are releasing multiple parts then just release multiple albums instead because they would all feel complete. Personally I think they should have just released outsiders instead of doing this pne out of respect then try and make an interpretation of what he wanted. Even though most of the outsiders leaked I think they should have released it due to it being a complete vision from juice wrld.
Also Pop Smoke didn't like featuring artists on his works.
Circles was done with love, and the pop smoke album #1 was done pretty well and the music was quality. However the rest of that shit
Faith wasn’t quality
I have to agree Jake
@@wamangituka5175 notsoever.
Have you guys looked into the Kota the Friend situation?
If an artist passes and has a album drop after they die that was going to be released anyways (such as Pacs Makaveli and Biggies Life after Death) it’s ok anything else no
Depending the artist & art of da music .
Some of the albums that come out posthumously give the artist a bad image even tho he/she may not be alive
Durk is handling Von’s perfect
2pac Until the end of time is a great posthumuous album.....not talked about as much as i would appreciate
I feel as if the artist finished the album or song and actually planned to release it then by all means release it but when you have a lot of tracks where it sounds like demos and it obviously isnt finished like Bad Vibes Forever then it would be better not to release it also on that album hearteater and ugly are scrapped song that X might have never put out
Love this ❤️
posthumus album always seem unfinished and forced and just way for record labels to get one last cash grab off the artist
Unfortunately that is the case often times..
@@NFRPodcast yeah its kinda fucked up
Greats rapper all time
I’m a massive X fan & what they’re doing is so messed up. Personally I did like Skins, & also thought BVF was completely trash 🤮 they could’ve done so much better.
W Vid. circles and SFTSAFTM are the best here
I agree willy do you think posthumous album should keep getting released?
@@NFRPodcast the album has to be at least 75% done and has to be worked on buy people that were close to the artist before passing (ex. Lil Durk/King Von, 50 Cent/Pop Smoke, Jon Brion/Mac Miller)
I think if the album was mostly finished then it’s ok to release it but stuff like bad vibes forever should stay unreleased
Agreed!
I think posthumous collabs are bad in general for example they wanted tupac and biggie on a song after they both died even tho they wanted each other dead or the lil peep X thing where there was some confusion between the 2 and they still dropped their "collab"
If it is finished and ready then it should be released if not tho it should be kept
I’m an artist and I don’t really agree with your opinions
Please feel free to share your opinion and perspective
Life After Death is the Best Posthumous Album ever
I feel like if they got unrealesed songs just release them as singles
They sold x’s catalog
Juice wrld had enough material for there to be 3 albums. It's not a cash grab. He had enough material for 100 albums. How is making 3 twenty song albums under 1 project a cash grab? Makes no sense. The difference between a lot of these artists and juice wrld is this: juice wrld has full complete songs. Hook and 2 verses, many with bridges. Don't compare xxx posthumous albums when they trash cuz he's barley in the songs and theyre throwaway clips to juice wrld who has enough material for literally thousands of full complete hits. Fighting demons is my favorite album. Great great music. The only reason other fans complain about it is cuz they wanted his label to take the route away from his sad shit. I fell in love with juice because of his sad music. I want it all. Hope he drops every song! Juice da goat 💯
Fighting demons your favorite album? That one was the most like a ‘cash grab’ because albums like GBGR or Legends Never Die had an actual track list that made sense, goodbye and good riddance being a breakup, with stages like acceptance and stuff, whilst albums like fighting demons were some of the most random songs put together without a second thought
@@Oceanqtic the track list made since to me. Just because ur not keen to following trends doesnt mean other people cant discover the theme. That's a sorry ass excuse to not like an album anyway. If u take a random song from every album and rank them against each other until theres no more songs then fighting demon has the most wins in my opinion. If I hadn't found a theme in the album I'd still rank it first. His best songs are on that album. Best by a mile.
@@DakotaBennett-w2x it’s a really good album, I really like it
But it just doesn’t come close to him other 3 imo
But I fully respect your opinion
Skins
Circles
LND
Pop smokes album
If they don't have enough music to make another album, and they have to put tons of songs with like 1 verse and tons of features, they shouldn't release it. Also only if the songs have good recorded quality too, like CHANGED HER LIFE ~ XXXTENTACION FT. Rick Ross, was terrible. That was not a studio version of X's hook, and Skins was very unfinished. I hate when fans say it was finished. It wasn't. X fans are so toxic also, that song with Lil Nas X might never release now, that was actually a decent song too. Faith and BVF were messy af, a lot of those songs sounded unfinished with added verses, I think Pop Smokes label is secretly running out of his unreleased material just like X's team is. That's why their was all the added features. SFTSAFTM was a great posthumous album, that's how posthumous albums should be handled, by people who were close just mixing and mastering songs, also I don't mind features on posthumous records as long as they fit the vibe, and add to the song, not just their to fill an open verse and add time to the record.
Mac Miller had the best post humous album and it’s not even close
They should take those 2pac albums off streaming services
when Kanye passes, If we get a posthumous it’s gonna be the best of all time NO DEBATE!
as a huge kanye fan i wouldnt want to see it, it wouldn't be a kanye project without is touch
@@sharpiexd8468 yeah that’s a stupid take to want a kanye album without kanye being involved
Anyone got any thoughts on SUPER WHAT? By MF DOOM and czarface
My rule is you include the first posthumous record and the rest are gone. If you include all these f Tupac’s posthumous albums he falls off as a top 5 artist if you don’t include Biggies posthumous double album then biggie only has 1 album so neither would be in not only a top 5 but not even top 10 and arguably top 20.
I dont think theres any debate. Circles is far superior and I like all of those projects except X
Mac Miller circle and MF DOOM. Czarface. Super What.
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Thank you for the love!
But it’s his final album
Juice wrld
X's family and camps decisions disgust me. With the whole museum, and with bad vibes forever they changed some of his songs just to add verses from people who paid them the most money, and now these "NFT's". Shit is awful.
Smh I also heard Aaliyah camp's want to release album also she a legend I do hope it's not true they wanna wreck a beautiful career of someone who died a long time ago
I think circles is the best better than juicewrld, or xxx albums
i think juice and x was just milked
the ppl behind circles put a master piece
Yes the main reason being that Mac Miller made most of Circles himself
@@NFRPodcast yea but glad the ppl who put the music in the album did good, we still have alot of unheard music from these diseased artist
I got an answer...give back everything yall have in this world; cause everything everybody have, is benefit off of posthumous; lets see how yall survive this millennium.
Been waiting for this one! 🔥🔥
Hope you enjoy the conversation🙏
In my opinion, a posthumous album shouldn’t be picking out loose verses and making songs out of it, if the songs aren’t complete they aren’t complete, so be it.
Yes I agree! Are you hyped for Punk🤔
@@NFRPodcast yeah how’d you know?
I
X and Juice Wrld were talentless to begin with