If 50% of the random test failed the plank test, shouldn't all cars be checked then for proper scrutiny of the rest of the grid or at least the sister car of the offending cars
Because the rules state that only 4 cars will be checked. Yes you can rewrite the rules so that from next race onwards all 20 cars will be checked, but you can't retroactively apply them to race that has already happened.
Going forward I think this might be implemented a little, especially considering it was 2 separate teams who got dinged for the same floor issue Clearly this track has some limitations with the plank this weekend and it being a sprint weekend probably doesn't help as well
Imagine if Merc hadn't screwed the pooch and had given Lewis and George a rule compliant car. They actually apologized to Lewis for crying out loud! Tonto and the techies are 100% to blame for this fiasco and THEY KNOW IT.
I remember Verstappen having a spin at the top of a crest during qualifying and the commentators telling us that it was related to losing the stability of air flow under the car. I thought to myself then, "That's a problem for other cars, but not the Red Bull, surely." This video sheds a lot of light on that moment and what made it possible.
Yeah. Verstappen's uncharacteristic errors (spinning and losing his Q3 lap, and even his feeling on the brakes) could all be explained by the Red Bull being set up higher than normal, and thus having less downforce and less predictability than usual.
@@Leron_T there are some good images on Twitter of RB vs Mercedes vs Ferrari on the kerbs. Both the Merc and Ferrari were sparking heavily but the RB had a clear gap underneath.
Either the FIA also checked the winner. Or they checked Lewis’ car and though, “Ah fuck, no way we _can’t_ check check Max’s car now… Imagine the outrage.”
@@theglitch312 I'm pretty sure that's what happened: the original FIA Race Scrutineering document announed plank wear inspection on car numbers 16 and 44, a later document mentions car numbers 01, 16, 44 and 04.
@@impugnu7852 They really need to admit it wasn't random. They clearly picked them because they were throwing 10x the sparks as everyone else through the race. There are pictures of both Hamilton and Leclerc flat against the ground and curb at apexes popping enough sparks to get Smokey the Bear's attention while pictures of Max's car on those same turns could clearly see all the way from rear to the front wing. They knew if they didn't test Max, Toto would start crying again. There is no way in hell this was random, it was 100% targeted.. but it was targeted for all the correct reasons.
I think it shows how RBR masters it's car concept. Same thing for McLaren even if they have less pace, when Mercedes and Ferrari are still experimenting.
Excellent technical video going over the specifics and details all while explaining everything very clearly, thank you guys for another great race recap analysis!
Anyone remember that it was Toto who lobbied for this to be judged more severely when they couldn’t control their porpoising and didn’t want to lose time by raising their ride height?
Yup. Toto thinking: we lost out and therefore the rest of the world has an unfair advantage and an obligation to us to preserve our dominance. Terrible person.
@@FrancisFjordCupolaterrible person? Do you know him personally? Other than that you can only speak about his professional side, which is what we see on F1. And he stood his ground and accepted the punishment because Mercedes was at fault. This is a pretty humble behavior. I really don't see the "terrible person" part you speak of.
@@DimitriMoreira lol - so? So, it’s funny to lobby for penalties that you think will benefit yourself and hurt others, but then they end up hurting yourself the most. Stellar “ethics.” Maybe if he had worried about his car rather than trying to find ways to trip others up Lewis wouldn’t have lost his best result all year. LMFAO
The fact that Verstappen was effectively managing six different issues, started from sixth, and STILL won by two seconds, is really concerning for the other teams making leaps forward. They're closer for sure, but that Red Bull in top form is still just miles and miles ahead.
Completely agree. I think we're likely stuck in deep snooze mode for two more seasons, unless another team really gets on top of it (no sign of this) or RedBull hires a decent second driver (also see no sign of this).
add to the list the car was running outside it's optimum ride height and that Redbull hasn't really brought any significant upgrades this season with the last one being in Singapore and still nobody is able to beat Max. It doesn't bode well for when the RB20 hits the track. All Redbull's efforts for a large chunk of this season has been on the RB20 I wouldn't get any hopes up of teams bridging the gap to them next season.
It really shows just how fricking good the Max+RB19 combination has been this year, that Lewis with a slightly lower than allowed car, which did give a bit of extra performance, plus very poor brakes, which as Scott mentioned made him have issues with the tire temperature, plus a track that doesn't suit their car and still he won
Remember when the RB's lifted through eau rouge for the entire race, sacrifing lap time every lap. This rule was why, they judged it right, this isn't a rule flaw, its a Mercedes and Ferrari flaw
Good Memory! Yes, I remember now another race he had to lift because they had a floor issue, probably absolutely no wiggle room and they are serious about keeping that spec legal, other teams might've let that slip thru the cracks w/o enough time to cover all the bases
The plank was added after Senna and Ratz due to concern that the teams were running the cars low and hammering the suspension and floor for best aero. Measure plank wear and eliminate the problem. But it seems counter to add titanium skid plates right around the holes where the plank is to be measured. Since titanium is so hard, it would take a lot more wear on the skid plates for the plank to also be impacted. The sparks look cool, but I don’t think it’s best for safety. Teams shouldn’t be able to bottom out the car suspension against the track, skid plates etc.
The issue with the current scrutinization is more than half the cars aren’t checked. If the FIA has the people power and time; it would be better to check one car from every team. Checking the other if a car fails a test, or getting inconsistent data.
Could you imagine how long it would take to check every system on every car that the regulations require them to be compliant with? They would need a couple of days per car. Even for the weights and tire pressures they would need hours before the races. They do random checks which means that every team needs to be concerned about running their cars legally. Sure, they could roll the dice, but the one race where they get unlucky could be a loss of a win or podium finish or points.
Nothing wrong with checking the few so long they are random all the time. You just do not know you will be the random car, so everyone has to make sure they comply with every race. In football, random urine tests are done. You can't say coz 1 player is caught, then all should be tested.
The upgrade may be real, but it probably looks better than it is because RedBull was running higher than normal and thus would have had less performance than they’d otherwise had.
@@TheCardude98 the McLaren mp4/4 has a dominance pourcentage of ~93% If max wins the last races of the season, knowing they (RBR) lost only one race in Singapore, their dominance pourcentage would be ~95%. So yes, the McLaren mp4/4 record can go down
This could also be a reason as to why Redbull wasn't as dominant as usual. If this is what could happen if teams are able to run their floors low, we could have a great season next year.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Last time the cars run lower was at the start of 2022 and RB was still faster without porpoising. But I do hope other team can close up if the rules allow lower ride height, since it's been 2 season with this ground effect rules.
Red bull have mastered the ridehight and under flow geometry. Lower the car higher is the Venturi effect. But Redbull has consistently ran highest rake angle of all the cars since last year, coz their side pod vortex design is superior in sealing the air in
To add some extra sauce to this... the last couple of technical directives mentioned in the video, especially the one after the summer break, Mercedes was vocal about that they were one of the teams pushing for the change. Mercedes were sure RB wasn't not compliant before and were saying this would surely slow RB down because they had to lift the car. But as RB has stated they did not have to change a thing about the car, it was already complaint and when it turned out RB wasn't slower this was not to the amusement of Mercedes. And now hilariously Hamilton gets disqualified because of it... something with karma and such?
The directive that Mercedes talked about wasn't about that. Was about rising the height of floor sides because of porpoising, it had nothing to do with plank wear. It would be karma if they became slower than Ferrari and other top teams after raising the floor sides, but they aren't. Also was it "karma" for Leclerc too? Or that one doesn't count because he doesn't bother Max? So... Maybe stop thinking about your favorite team and driver like it's some kind of religion?
@@The_Curious_Catwhat do you mean? Porpoising has a direct effect on plank wear. Every time it bounces and scraps the ground, it wears down. Especially onto and off of curbs.
Part of the flexi-floor TD in 2022 that MB pushed for, that hurt Ferrari but not RB, was stricter measurement of plank wear. So, yeah, curious that MB and SF were the victims here. Race gets it right here, I think the limited practice during sprint weekend is the primary cause. Reportedly the wear was only 0.1mm over spec.
New to f1 and didn't understand what was going on with these disqualifications at all. Thank you for giving such a consice easy to understand explanation
As a Hamilton fan, I am super sad. But, rules are rules, and they must ALWAYS be followed. What surprises me is that even when 2 of the 4 checked cars had issues, they did not check others. Ideally after finding issues in 2 cars, all 20 should have been checked. A new rule for the same should be implemented IMO
Extending tests can be difficult, F1 is always on a time crunch, especially with just a week between races. if they could, teams would probably love to drive the car across the line, straight into the truck and go to the next track. So keeping the cars even a few additional hours can be difficult, and at least they still checken quite nicely, just going for the top 4 instead of singling people out. So this, when time is limited, seems like the best option to have happened.
There might be time and staffing pressures preventing more cars being checked especially over a sprint race weekend. If these checks are consistently applied over the season yhen its fine.
That would be unfair. Imagine half the cars failed this test, and that in one race all the cars tested passed, but in another they all failed. A non competitive car that passes this test could get the win if it's on the weekend every car is tested. That would skew the results substantially. Random draw makes the most sense. US is bumpy, you are more likely to wear down your skid plate, teams should have adjusted ride heights accordingly. Lewis did well because his car was so low, that it forced them into an illegal set up with skid plate wear.
7:28 Max: don’t f***ing talk to me while I’m breaking, Lewis: I dunno man, I’m trying as hard as I can, Norris: baby shark doo doo do do do do , baby shark doo do do do do do…
So to recap; even when starting behind them in 6th, even when he has to manage brake issues the whole race and even with his main competitors driving an illegal car Max still manages to win. GOAT confirmed.
@@symckrBut where's the sense in racing 20 cars when only 4 get checked? If Ferrari and Mercedes had the same ride height for all cars, then why do sainz and russel get points? seems inconsistent.
@@lukasschmitz7231 it probably wasnt "random" as people think. Fia probably flagged charles and lewis while watching the race and checked the other podium finishers to be not "biased". They knew.
We have to see how Danny Ric pans out. Liam is also in the fold now as someone they would be eager to get back in a car. Checo's fate is certainly in his own hands now.
Tremendous explanation. Seems likely that other cars may have suffered from this problem and just lucked their way past scrutineering by not being selected.
For the amount of money going round in F1 I think the FIA could form a team dedicated to running checks on all the cars right after the sessions or even just the top 10 after any GP/Quali. I do understand the random checks on random cars but this does get incomplete data.
I think you're putting too much value in the aero, and not enough into the brake issues Max had. Aside from the brakes and fuel load, the car was identical to Saturday, when Max won the sprint with more than 10 seconds over second place
Well it's known that all teams try to get the limit and sometimes cross them. They can be lucky that Sainz and Russel are not looked at, because there would be a good chance they have issues at well and could get a disqualify. If you look it this way, this circuit does not suite the RB car as it has to higher the ridehight. On flat circuits RB will be faster again. And they stopped developing for this year. So next year i expect the same order for the nr1 Red Bull. The rest is to be seen.
Personally, this is another one of many reasons the Sprint Races piss me off. They don't matter much, and cause so many issues like Max's brake issues, and the additional wear on Hamilton and Leclerc's floors. Just do away with them at this point.
Formula 1 is a team sport. Sprint race weekends affect the team more and brings out the better teams due to little practice. It shows who really understands strategy and how to set up a car. It makes for an unpredictable race which this was. Just sad that Merc and Ferrari ran an illegal car.
@@garrettfritz7219 I am mainly hitting on the additional toll it takes on the cars. I remember growing up in the early and late 90s watching Formula 1 with my Dad. I was enamored at the level of racing and the excitement I had for each GP, now I can't say the same. The reason, F1 is more about money, than racing. The level of tech, strategy, etc obviously has to improve. But something as silly as a cash grab Sprint Race is annoying, especially when it leads to results like this. What's the priority? It's not clear anymore.
@@KGI_KlikoNL well only Max's car, and Lando's car were tested out of the 4 cars. We don't know if anyone else's car had the same issue. And to hit on the second half of your comment, I am not dissolving fault, but if there was more practice time to dial in height, and less laps adding excessive wear, we don't know if this issue would still be present.
5:50 this ever present tone with EVERY SMM take on anything regarding Red Bull or Verstappen, that there is valid reason to question the legality of the RB19, never cease to amaze me.
I'm fine with the random selection for whatever test. But I think if any of the first four fail, the FIA should then have to draw another random 4 from the remaining cars, until all four cars are clean, or they run out of cars to test.
Except it wasn’t 4 random cars, they specifically picked the Mercedes and Ferrari as they noticed something during the race and wanted them checked for a suspected rule breach, they then picked another 2 at random.
The tolerated wear amounts need to be amended for sprint weekends. It hard to call it the "pinnacle of motorsport" when you give teams hardly any time to tune their setup before locking them into their setup for the entire weekend and subjecting the cars to a sprint race...
If merc fan are so toxic why u not better example as redbull fan and rather than this toxic comment you can write something nice.... love this keyboard warriors. Its unfortunate that f1 have many fans like this :/
A rule regarding how much a car part can wear is just nonsensical. It doesnt account for the varying factors and conditions of a race, and punishes teams for things that may be well out of their control (e.g. running over debris). A much more fair rule would be to regulate the approved materials for the plate, the amount of thickness it has to have, and test each car at the beginning of the weekend and after the final practice session, anyone with wear past a specific point will need to replace the plate before qualifying.
@Stimor define "worked." Technically, Feudalism 'worked' for a long time until people realized there was a better system that was more equitable. Just because something is in place doesn't mean it's the best way of doing things.
@@KordellCaldwell It has worked so far in the sense that the FIA can use it as a card to spice up F1 into a reality drama whenever they want or manufacture title fights like they did in 94 when they first introduced the rule :)
Except that Hamilton managed this pace thanks to his skills. Leclerc was still slows ASF , why? And you don't even gain more than 0.1s with that . Hamilton would still be 2nd anyway
In my opinion the punishment was fine as a rule was broken however when you have two different teams both getting a disqualification with the same thing raises questions and something needs to be done. Either a change of the sprint race format or test more cars when 50% of your sample size have been disqualified.
I agree the fact it was two separate teams with the exact same technical infringement leads me to believe other team potentially might have had the same issue with their planks I guess we will never know now I think the obvious fix is moving Parc Ferme to Saturday with car setups during sprint weekends and increased scrutineering so more cars can be checked rather than just 4
No. Nothing needs to be done. The regulations are there. They are part of the safety precautions to prevent deaths like those of Ratzinger and Senna happening again. What you have here are two drivers: Leclerc did manage to get a pole position (but screwed himself over with an entirely bonkers one-stop strategy). Hamilton got closer upfront and was more competitive than usual. Both of them outperformed their teammates. Now we see that part of the reason of their success was by running their cars too low. It is on them that they perform within the regulations. They don't? They get disqualified. They took their chances, and they took the resulting penalties. And if they had fears of being caught running too close to the ground, they could have broken park ferme, replaced the plank and started from the pits. Though that would probably not help that much if they still drove too close to the ground. Because they would still have worn through their planks. And no, quit being dumb, check out how many rules and regulations there are. Then picture yourself checking one single car, then picture yourself doing all the checks on all the cars. Then realize that the teams have to move on to the next GP and have to start a whole packing procedure. The FIA can't inspect everyone and everything without disrupting the logistics. Two drivers wanted to go fast, put their cars too close to the ground, ruined their planks and got disqualified. Other top contenders did not.
@@FrancisFjordCupola You can't be sure whether Hamilton and Leclerc were faster than their teammates solely because of the fact that their teammates' cars didn't get checked. It's the age old excuse of FIA can't, which basically means FIA doesn't want to because they don't care. The finest motorsport series in the world has enough money to organize a process for all cars to get checked and they should be. This isn't just because some well-known drivers got disqualified, but because we're talking about what can be done to improve the sport.
Things like this only happens once in (almost) a lifetime. So I guess no need for revision, it just happened that two person got caught violating technical regulation. Like Vettel two years ago in Hungary
So much for everyone catching Max. We hear this after any race that Max didn’t when by 30-seconds. He started P6 and was running less down force. Can we stop with all the BS about Max falling back to the Pack. He won the Sprint race by 9 seconds! My guess is he wins Mexico going away, which is what he’s done every time he’s won a close race. Best driver, best car, best team.
That's your big gripe ? You're hero doesn't get enough praise despite all the awards and accolades he's received ? Man the fanbase of this sport has plummeted downhill of late.
@@braveheart4603The only crybabies bigger than Max are his fans. It's not enough to win, you have to kiss the ring too. There's doubt he might win Mexico? Here's another headline: Pittsburghers upset when Steelers lose.
@@Arsenic71 They didn’t solve it then… Raising the car is easy, and obviously that fixes porpoising. The challenge they were struggling with was to solve it WITHOUT raising the floor.
They need to adjust the parc ferme rules for sprint weekends. And frankly there needs to be another practice session added. The whole point of practice is to get the cars into the best possible shape for the races. Hamstringing the teams doesn't make for better racing.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman except it kind of doesn’t. The sprint race often spoils the Sunday race. The only time it doesn’t is when either has different weather conditions.
Yeah, fp1 and fp2 on Friday, sprint quali and sprint on Saturday, finishorder in the sprint is the grid order in the race. What we have now makes the sprint totally uninteresting if your not anywhere close to p8 so why even bother?
Good to see the FIA don’t have a problem retrospectively penalising drivers and changing the results for technical infringements. However, they aren’t so keen to look at themselves when blatantly rewriting the rule-book on-the-fly. I get the warm fuzzies all over again.
F1 feels so artificial now a days. But I think in the end it was fair, Lewis intentionally took Max out in the British GP to get back in contention. He got away with it and then karma hit back like a bitch. Or when Checo crashed in Monaco Q3 and ended up winning the race, that was foul too. Maybe when Massa gets his title taken from Lewis we will see it as the circus that it is, and Lewis can proceed to take Max's.
sorry, but huh?? no rules were rewritten for this. As they clearly said, this is a 30 year old rule. EVERYONE knows about it.... then what's wrong with DSQing two drivers based on the fact that they broke the rule?
@@Michalloteincorrect. Max clearly turned in on Lewis and backed off. It was a racing incident. It went down to the final race and the championship was decided by Masi.
Also, good shit, Austin. Another good race at COTA. Shame its a rally track, but its also the only track i know of where NASCAR, Indycar, F1, and GT cars race.
Random test where not random. Fia analyzed porposing during the race to pick the Ham and Lec. Probably it meant they tested Norris and Verstappen to not get discussions about Fia being on the hand of Red Bull and mclaren.
My hunch is that The FIA realized that Mercedes and Ferrari were trying to gain performance by lowering the ride height and decided to check the top 4 teams so that they would not appear to be biased. It would be highly improbable that 2 out of the 4 cars failed this test, if the test was totally random when the last time a car failed this particular test was about 20 years ago....So the FIA must have been suspecting something was afoot. The question is, was the improved performance due to the new floor or the lower ride?...you could also ask if George`s pace was a lot poorer because they only lowered the ride on car 44, which is fighting for second place in the championship?....or maybe I am being too cynical and none of this is true and it was just an honest mistake.
Could be an oversight, could be deliberate out of desperation Usually nobody would try to violate technical regs because the punishment is extremely severe. And even if it happened, nowadays it's more accidental rather than deliberate
George who is driving for Mercedes is also fighting for 2nd place in the constructors championship so it would be ridiculous to favour just Hamilton. Hell if George had done a better job, Mercedes would have had a higher chance of winning with both drivers up front.
@@hectornecromancer5308 Not nearly as well as last year. He's only shown up in the second half of this season but too late to make any real impact for the team or for himself imo
I always love the speculation on why the Red Bull car doesn’t have the same stability problems as most cars on the grid because every team has spent a massive amount of time Chasing Red Bulls aero design and still can’t figure it out after seeing it race after race that probably tells you there looking in the wrong place
This just points out that Mercedes really didn’t gain anything on Red Bull. I wonder if George’s car had the safe height and they used the difference to gather data on the new floor.
that is just not true, there is no proof that mercedes gained anything in performance just with ride-height look at ferrari they were a second slower on some laps than mercedes even though ferrari was running lower too, bullshit argument
@@RehanX44Ferrari had HUGE tyre wear. Merc didnt. The Sprint showed Max’ lead on Merc, McLaren and Ferrari WITHOUT the braking issues during theFULL GP
Excellent explanation on the way the decision is made which cars are selected for technical checks . It is obviously impossible to check all cars or at least one car from each team or final race results wouldn't be known for two or three days. It does mean that some cars breaking the rules intentionally or unintentionally 'get away with it'. Critics of the disqualifications should consider this. 10:05
This Rule is a great one, way ahead of it's time when it was founded. the execution is very sloppy tho. F1 earns so much money, it shouldn't be hard to have a 200 people of mechanics and engineers. check everything on every car at every venue. at least after the Grand Prix.
Makes one question if they same happened at singapore: red bull running higher because they knew of that problem and therefore they were slower. Only difference back than NOBODYs floor was checked, so maybe Ferrari and merc were illegal back then too
Random checks have been done to Mercedes and Ferrari before and they passed. Likely at least for Mercedes they got caught out by bringing the floor upgrade this weekend and then went right into setup for qualifying. Then saw the wear and thought “it will probably just make it”. The downside of a floor upgrade on a sprint weekend showing its teeth. Red Bull knew the problem because it was discovered at Eau Rouge (aka why they lifted their car). There was also the technical directive about the floors that was made less than a month ago that directly was targeted at the floors. This included the blocks they mentioned but also the stuff they were putting into the board that would leave patterns in the track showing the floor wear points (remember how prior to recently you could see yellow markings in the asphalt on the racing line? That). Basically teams are a bit more blind now leaving them more prone to possible mistakes. The fact 2 different teams were dinged for it would lead to the possibility that Mercedes and Ferrari weren’t the only ones who failed, they were just the only ones caught. I would bet only McLaren and Red Bull were the ones who were innocent because they use a similar suspension concept, and as a result, had to adjust similarly to the rough track.
No, why would it be? They can only disqualify them from the session in which the plank was found to be worn greater than the regulations. If the plank wasn't found to be worn after the sprint, or they didn't check it, then there's no issue.
Except what is mentioned but left out of the end conclusion, that while have a lower car might not be the biggest step up (although I expect it did gave the more performance), RBR still ran higher and when running lower retains more of an advantage than shown here...that is also without counting the fact that MV had to start 6th and had a break issues.
@@kever678i think he means that if the car fails the test and gets dqed, the sister car should also be checked. I dont think he meant that the test itself failed
Soooo, they do not check that every race for every car? I wonder how many drivers this year had illegal cars after the race or a qualy session. Sometimes they skid so hard over the kerbs where i thought that the planks must have taken a big hit. Interesting.
Thats an excuus.. 18 out of the 20 drivers had it correct.. its a setup fault.... everyone played it safe exept those 2 and this was the result.. mercedes and ferrari can only blame them selfs.. i agree that sprint weekends are not perfect.. but you cannot blame a car setup fault to the sessions as all drivers have the same time to figure it out.
I think on the positive side as a Merc fan they've finally got a floor that works well. They can ride it really low without porpoising. Now they just need to get the set-up right from track to track to avoid this wear issue like Redbull did.
That set up is to raise the ride hight like red bull did for this weekend, but mercedes would probably be back to the midfield if they do that. So their performance gains was really non existent, becuase it was gained in a illegal way.
Great analysis by The Race as usual. I honestly understand that all the cars can’t be checked all the time, and that they don’t check at every race. Having said that, and given all the factors contributing to this weekend, it feels unfair to “randomly” check one from each of the top 4 teams and not any of the other teams. 50% failure rate signals that this was probably a prevalent problem throughout the field & they should have checked more cars. Some of the cars that benefitted from these two that were disqualified could have possibly been running in an illegal state as well. Very unfortunate for those drivers in my opinion. Nothing here suggests that there was an attempt to bend the rules to gain advantage.
It's not random. As it says in the video they can chose to scrutinise cars they suspect might be on the fringe of legality during the race or previous events. Picking one car from each of the top four fastest teams seems very reasonable.
Not if they handpicked these 4, which is very likely, due to having a good reason to suspect them for not being within the rules, noticing excessive sparking, vibrations, oscillations etc.
can you imagine if 50 percent of the cars failed based on 50 percent of the 4 that where tested ? it would be terrible for the sport .. when they have the sprint weekend and the teams don't have but 1 hour of practice its not really a good thing for the sport, how could they test a new floor with just one hour they need change the sprint format
@@TheTonyedwards1958 agreed. Given all these details, I don’t think that this weekend was the best one to be running this check, especially knowing there have been other races that this check has been skipped. Maybe we will see some changes coming out of this in the future, but at this point, it’s really unfortunate for those two drivers, and unfortunate for the fans who will have to endure comments being thrown around that their teams/drivers are “cheaters”
@@TheTonyedwards1958 the format and the limited free practice was well known in advance for everyone, testing such upgrades during these circumstances is a free choice and accepted risk
For those confused about why more cars weren’t checked, the rules at present do not permit them to test the sister car if one is found to be illegal. The FIA does do ‘some’ tests on ALL cars, such as: tyre pressure, steering wheel, high rev limit, oil consumption, plenum temp, IVT temp, ES, energy release & recovery, MGU-K, MGU-K & MGU-H speed, MGU-K torque, chassis, torque coordinator, torque control, rear brake pressure, brake temp warnings, race data, clutch paddle, MGU-K use, ES charge status, formation lap speed, PCU configuration, tyre starting pressure, specific tyres used, fuel pressure, engine cooling pressure, fuel flow meter and fuel mass flow. There’s actually only a handful of tests that are NOT done on all the cars. It’s important to understand the rules of the FIA and actually read the post race scrutineering, before stating things as ‘facta’. Before you comment (those who aren’t happy about this), first ask yourself, would your reaction be the same if it was RB? And also, Toto himself said he agreed with the DSQ. Do you think you know more about the rules and what is fair in the sport than he does? Everyone is allowed their own opinions. But let’s try and keep the discussion rational and not reactive ☺️
The planks are made from jabroc, which is a wierd material. Almost impossible to cut without destroying wood blades! Its also used as a neutron shield in the radiation industry. Just wanted to share that useless info for you chaps 👍
It's illogical to have a rule that is punishable by DQ and it only be limited in selection. Every car, every race must be check if it's going to be that punitive. Tf.
I find it funny that Merc and Ferrari fans push for an inspection of all the cars which most probably would eliminate their second drivers and not harm RB. In my eyes, kind of lucky they only checked these ones
It's not obvious that this is true. Ride height is not the only factor in plank wear. If you take more curb, you have more wear. Which automatically puts you more at risk if you make a longer first stint, as you will have to take wider lines and thus take more curbs. And doing this with a car full of fuel leads to more wear. Max had a short first stint. That may not be a coincidence, as RB seems more aware of plank wear issues, which makes sense, because they have been driving their car low for two seasons now. Under the old regs, they ofcourse were usually driving very high on the rear suspension...
@@mago97615 wow. taking your team out for lunch makes the car 0.5seconds faster.. Gonna try that with my car, Stop at a KFC and BOOOOOM!!! extra 5 horses..
@@psyborg01 Mate cost cap isn't all about lunch lmao. But can't talk with obvious Max fanboy / Lewis hater . Redbull drivers ( especially Max) are never punished , he's the new golden boy , pushing off his opponent , exceeding track limits , benefitting of new rules lmao. I prefer not to talk. You have your opinion i got mine
The sprint race format clearly played a factor. This wasn’t in place when that rule was applied. It’s a bad look in my opinion for F1. The teams were as I understand it not allowed sufficient opportunity throughout the weekend to be able to observe whether or not this would be an issue. It’s something that the sport needs to be proactive in preventing.
I think so too. When was the last time a team was DSQ'd for incorrect measurements? Mercedes in Brazil 2021... two common denominators there - Mercedes and sprint races.
The Brazil one is totally different. The gap in the DRS wing is the same for every race and every setup. According to Mercedes it was a malfunction in the mechanism. That can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. @@WiisardNic
@@WiisardNic You mean the common denominator is that Merc can't adhere to the rules like the other teams? Maybe they should just ban Merc outright and get rid of the root of the problem.
Erm... they had every opportunity. Why did you think Red Bull was doing long runs on Friday? Precisely to see what kind of issues the race may bring up, as there was little time to prepare for it, and Red Bull always prefers a strong race over a strong quali
Not all cars get checked and they barely give free practice time. Then since only 4 cars get checked 2 drivers take a DSQ but everyone else doesn't even if they were also "breaking the rules".
I don`t think it was as random as it appears. I think the FIA suspected some teams to be running too low, and included them in a sample for the test that wouldn`t look biased, hence why they included Verstappen and Norris as well.
My understanding is the cars selected for measurement were the three podium cars and the pole position at race start. Therefore, Max, Lewis, Lando, and Charles.
Do you hate the rule or are hurting over who was punished. The rule has always been there and offenders are always punished accordingly. Why do you suddenly feel the urge to re-write the rule. Also you worry about the DSQ, how about the half that complied.
@@dibdab101 Granted, but it did make sense to select the 3 podium finishers as well as the pole sitter for scrutiny - any advantages gained by rule breaches would be most visible with these cars
George was so lucky to have Lewis caught
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It's really nice and good
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If 50% of the random test failed the plank test, shouldn't all cars be checked then for proper scrutiny of the rest of the grid or at least the sister car of the offending cars
They couldn't, all the other cars that were not picked right after the race were already being taken apart in the garages.
Because the rules state that only 4 cars will be checked. Yes you can rewrite the rules so that from next race onwards all 20 cars will be checked, but you can't retroactively apply them to race that has already happened.
That would take up to much time so they don't
Going forward I think this might be implemented a little, especially considering it was 2 separate teams who got dinged for the same floor issue
Clearly this track has some limitations with the plank this weekend and it being a sprint weekend probably doesn't help as well
At least Sainz and Russell for obvious reasons.
Imagine the storm that would have erupted if Lewis managed to chase Max down in the last few laps for P1 and then was DQ'ed.
Uproar. Racism.😮we would hv it
Imagine if Merc hadn't screwed the pooch and had given Lewis and George a rule compliant car.
They actually apologized to Lewis for crying out loud!
Tonto and the techies are 100% to blame for this fiasco and THEY KNOW IT.
@@remy-slb We wouldn't
@@ma7mgteyou already have done it previously
That would have been amazing!
I remember Verstappen having a spin at the top of a crest during qualifying and the commentators telling us that it was related to losing the stability of air flow under the car. I thought to myself then, "That's a problem for other cars, but not the Red Bull, surely." This video sheds a lot of light on that moment and what made it possible.
Yeah. Verstappen's uncharacteristic errors (spinning and losing his Q3 lap, and even his feeling on the brakes) could all be explained by the Red Bull being set up higher than normal, and thus having less downforce and less predictability than usual.
Red Bull's ride height was higher because of the bumpy track. You could see how high it was when Max spun during quali
@@Leron_T there are some good images on Twitter of RB vs Mercedes vs Ferrari on the kerbs. Both the Merc and Ferrari were sparking heavily but the RB had a clear gap underneath.
Red Bull obeys the same laws of physics. They're just smarter.
he hit the inside curb just like piastri did and spun just like piastri did. absolutely nothing to do with ride height.
Thank God Max's car was checked...the conspiracies would've been a whole lot worse
Either the FIA also checked the winner. Or they checked Lewis’ car and though, “Ah fuck, no way we _can’t_ check check Max’s car now… Imagine the outrage.”
@@theglitch312it's probably what happened here let's not kid ourselves lmao
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@@theglitch312 I'm pretty sure that's what happened: the original FIA Race Scrutineering document announed plank wear inspection on car numbers 16 and 44, a later document mentions car numbers 01, 16, 44 and 04.
@@impugnu7852 They really need to admit it wasn't random. They clearly picked them because they were throwing 10x the sparks as everyone else through the race. There are pictures of both Hamilton and Leclerc flat against the ground and curb at apexes popping enough sparks to get Smokey the Bear's attention while pictures of Max's car on those same turns could clearly see all the way from rear to the front wing. They knew if they didn't test Max, Toto would start crying again. There is no way in hell this was random, it was 100% targeted.. but it was targeted for all the correct reasons.
I think it shows how RBR masters it's car concept. Same thing for McLaren even if they have less pace, when Mercedes and Ferrari are still experimenting.
RB have cheated and FIA someone is being paid by rb to look the other way.
ok
Excellent technical video going over the specifics and details all while explaining everything very clearly, thank you guys for another great race recap analysis!
100% agree!
Anyone remember that it was Toto who lobbied for this to be judged more severely when they couldn’t control their porpoising and didn’t want to lose time by raising their ride height?
Yup. Toto thinking: we lost out and therefore the rest of the world has an unfair advantage and an obligation to us to preserve our dominance. Terrible person.
😂😂 yes
Yeah, so? He admitted Mercedes was at fault. Literally the definition of humility. The guy stood his ground beautifully. Great ethics.
@@FrancisFjordCupolaterrible person? Do you know him personally? Other than that you can only speak about his professional side, which is what we see on F1. And he stood his ground and accepted the punishment because Mercedes was at fault. This is a pretty humble behavior. I really don't see the "terrible person" part you speak of.
@@DimitriMoreira lol - so? So, it’s funny to lobby for penalties that you think will benefit yourself and hurt others, but then they end up hurting yourself the most. Stellar “ethics.” Maybe if he had worried about his car rather than trying to find ways to trip others up Lewis wouldn’t have lost his best result all year. LMFAO
The fact that Verstappen was effectively managing six different issues, started from sixth, and STILL won by two seconds, is really concerning for the other teams making leaps forward. They're closer for sure, but that Red Bull in top form is still just miles and miles ahead.
Completely agree. I think we're likely stuck in deep snooze mode for two more seasons, unless another team really gets on top of it (no sign of this) or RedBull hires a decent second driver (also see no sign of this).
add to the list the car was running outside it's optimum ride height and that Redbull hasn't really brought any significant upgrades this season with the last one being in Singapore and still nobody is able to beat Max.
It doesn't bode well for when the RB20 hits the track. All Redbull's efforts for a large chunk of this season has been on the RB20 I wouldn't get any hopes up of teams bridging the gap to them next season.
Don’t forget, Max won the sprint by almost 10 seconds.
Dont forget max was driving a car with brake problems too!
Dont forget Max is a cry baby too
It really shows just how fricking good the Max+RB19 combination has been this year, that Lewis with a slightly lower than allowed car, which did give a bit of extra performance, plus very poor brakes, which as Scott mentioned made him have issues with the tire temperature, plus a track that doesn't suit their car and still he won
Not to mention he started from the 6th.
Remember when the RB's lifted through eau rouge for the entire race, sacrifing lap time every lap. This rule was why, they judged it right, this isn't a rule flaw, its a Mercedes and Ferrari flaw
Good Memory! Yes, I remember now another race he had to lift because they had a floor issue, probably absolutely no wiggle room and they are serious about keeping that spec legal, other teams might've let that slip thru the cracks w/o enough time to cover all the bases
I'm glad someone else also remembers this!!!
The plank was added after Senna and Ratz due to concern that the teams were running the cars low and hammering the suspension and floor for best aero. Measure plank wear and eliminate the problem. But it seems counter to add titanium skid plates right around the holes where the plank is to be measured. Since titanium is so hard, it would take a lot more wear on the skid plates for the plank to also be impacted. The sparks look cool, but I don’t think it’s best for safety. Teams shouldn’t be able to bottom out the car suspension against the track, skid plates etc.
The issue with the current scrutinization is more than half the cars aren’t checked. If the FIA has the people power and time; it would be better to check one car from every team. Checking the other if a car fails a test, or getting inconsistent data.
The FIA hasnt got the time and people..... all teams have to move to mexico in 2 days..........
Could you imagine how long it would take to check every system on every car that the regulations require them to be compliant with? They would need a couple of days per car. Even for the weights and tire pressures they would need hours before the races. They do random checks which means that every team needs to be concerned about running their cars legally. Sure, they could roll the dice, but the one race where they get unlucky could be a loss of a win or podium finish or points.
right, what's even the point in enforcing something like this if not everybody is checked
either check everyone or none at all
Nothing wrong with checking the few so long they are random all the time. You just do not know you will be the random car, so everyone has to make sure they comply with every race. In football, random urine tests are done. You can't say coz 1 player is caught, then all should be tested.
@@trailfork7815 Don't check at all? So, no rules? LUL
Mercedes and Ferrari get caught with a penalty on their car:
The Race: _REDBULL AVOIDED A PENALTY_
The upgrade may be real, but it probably looks better than it is because RedBull was running higher than normal and thus would have had less performance than they’d otherwise had.
Been waiting all day for this. Thank you "The Race" for a great explanation
It feels like I'm watching the WWE, WWF,and Chucky Cheese
RB 19 rocketship is actually legal let’s go what a team 😭.
The mp4/4 record might go down this season (I shouldn't say that, I might jinx it)
@@mikaelbihl-matias9462 it can’t beat it but can equal it
@@TheCardude98 the McLaren mp4/4 has a dominance pourcentage of ~93%
If max wins the last races of the season, knowing they (RBR) lost only one race in Singapore, their dominance pourcentage would be ~95%.
So yes, the McLaren mp4/4 record can go down
@@mikaelbihl-matias9462Max or Checo
Not a fair comparison, as they have more races these days. If anything the RB19 is more dominant then the MP4
This could also be a reason as to why Redbull wasn't as dominant as usual. If this is what could happen if teams are able to run their floors low, we could have a great season next year.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Last time the cars run lower was at the start of 2022 and RB was still faster without porpoising. But I do hope other team can close up if the rules allow lower ride height, since it's been 2 season with this ground effect rules.
Red bull have mastered the ridehight and under flow geometry. Lower the car higher is the Venturi effect. But Redbull has consistently ran highest rake angle of all the cars since last year, coz their side pod vortex design is superior in sealing the air in
The Redbull had quite a big issue with the brakes. Without that, Redbull would've walked it.
Teams would have been able to run low without idiotic Toto and Lulu's Oscar worthy performances last year about bouncing.
Redbull has different issue in this race which is brake. Perez struggles with it big time in this race while Max being Max can drive with a win.
To add some extra sauce to this... the last couple of technical directives mentioned in the video, especially the one after the summer break, Mercedes was vocal about that they were one of the teams pushing for the change. Mercedes were sure RB wasn't not compliant before and were saying this would surely slow RB down because they had to lift the car. But as RB has stated they did not have to change a thing about the car, it was already complaint and when it turned out RB wasn't slower this was not to the amusement of Mercedes. And now hilariously Hamilton gets disqualified because of it... something with karma and such?
That's not actually what karma is
The directive that Mercedes talked about wasn't about that. Was about rising the height of floor sides because of porpoising, it had nothing to do with plank wear. It would be karma if they became slower than Ferrari and other top teams after raising the floor sides, but they aren't. Also was it "karma" for Leclerc too? Or that one doesn't count because he doesn't bother Max?
So... Maybe stop thinking about your favorite team and driver like it's some kind of religion?
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@@The_Curious_Catwhat do you mean? Porpoising has a direct effect on plank wear. Every time it bounces and scraps the ground, it wears down. Especially onto and off of curbs.
Part of the flexi-floor TD in 2022 that MB pushed for, that hurt Ferrari but not RB, was stricter measurement of plank wear. So, yeah, curious that MB and SF were the victims here. Race gets it right here, I think the limited practice during sprint weekend is the primary cause. Reportedly the wear was only 0.1mm over spec.
New to f1 and didn't understand what was going on with these disqualifications at all. Thank you for giving such a consice easy to understand explanation
I’m so glad that Hamilton said that…means it has to be true….just like the other 83 times he said they made great progress
This video was extremely well done. Thank you.
As a Hamilton fan, I am super sad. But, rules are rules, and they must ALWAYS be followed.
What surprises me is that even when 2 of the 4 checked cars had issues, they did not check others. Ideally after finding issues in 2 cars, all 20 should have been checked. A new rule for the same should be implemented IMO
Extending tests can be difficult, F1 is always on a time crunch, especially with just a week between races. if they could, teams would probably love to drive the car across the line, straight into the truck and go to the next track.
So keeping the cars even a few additional hours can be difficult, and at least they still checken quite nicely, just going for the top 4 instead of singling people out.
So this, when time is limited, seems like the best option to have happened.
They only have to review the point zone (10 cars) we can't trust them using 20 to turn it impossible.
We have to stop them trated us like stupids.
There might be time and staffing pressures preventing more cars being checked especially over a sprint race weekend. If these checks are consistently applied over the season yhen its fine.
That would be unfair. Imagine half the cars failed this test, and that in one race all the cars tested passed, but in another they all failed.
A non competitive car that passes this test could get the win if it's on the weekend every car is tested.
That would skew the results substantially. Random draw makes the most sense.
US is bumpy, you are more likely to wear down your skid plate, teams should have adjusted ride heights accordingly. Lewis did well because his car was so low, that it forced them into an illegal set up with skid plate wear.
@@michaelp4122if you find a issue like plank wear affecting 50% of cars tested... it probably indicates you would catch others too.
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Max: don’t f***ing talk to me while I’m breaking,
Lewis: I dunno man, I’m trying as hard as I can,
Norris: baby shark doo doo do do do do , baby shark doo do do do do do…
So to recap; even when starting behind them in 6th, even when he has to manage brake issues the whole race and even with his main competitors driving an illegal car Max still manages to win.
GOAT confirmed.
Very good videos
If Nascar can inspect 36 cars every week the evening of each race, then I think the FIA should be able to inspect all 20 cars
They need to ship everything to mexico in 2-3 days tho there is simply not enough time
There's also a few more parts they'd have to check as compared to Nascar, at least to my knowledge.
@@TheRaienryuu true isnt nascar also a stock car series where every car is same and it would make finding faults easier.
@@symckrBut where's the sense in racing 20 cars when only 4 get checked? If Ferrari and Mercedes had the same ride height for all cars, then why do sainz and russel get points? seems inconsistent.
@@lukasschmitz7231 it probably wasnt "random" as people think. Fia probably flagged charles and lewis while watching the race and checked the other podium finishers to be not "biased". They knew.
Another reason for the sprint race format to be scrapped.
An hour to set your car for the whole weekend is ridiculous.
That DSQ may have just extended Checo's F1 career by another year. 💪💪
We have to see how Danny Ric pans out. Liam is also in the fold now as someone they would be eager to get back in a car. Checo's fate is certainly in his own hands now.
A sad side effect yes.
Hearing MAXine squeal while being chased by BBC was worth it tho.
It is kind off funny that Mercedes gets disqualified for having their car too low while they are the ones whining about it. 😂
"You've got a problem, change your fucking car"
Looks like they finally took Horner's advice and changed their f***ing car
Its like karma lol 😂
It took almost 2 years to chuckle as hard as I did on 2021 Abu Dhabi 😂😂
Toto was so smug by the end, they ain't so smug now 😂😂😂
@@JohnWiku Do you think Abu Dhabi was funny. Hamilton got robbed. Verstappen-Fan
Tremendous explanation. Seems likely that other cars may have suffered from this problem and just lucked their way past scrutineering by not being selected.
For the amount of money going round in F1 I think the FIA could form a team dedicated to running checks on all the cars right after the sessions or even just the top 10 after any GP/Quali. I do understand the random checks on random cars but this does get incomplete data.
They are happy with checking 4. Get used to it.
@@LibertyG0385no reason to be this toxic
@@jalenhemphill8205 You call that toxic? Grow up.
@@jalenhemphill8205do you call every person who doesn’t agree with you, toxic?
@@thinkfirst6155 true, I never really thought how tight logistics are
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Crazy how a few tens of millimeters is the difference between Max winning +20 seconds and winning "only" with +2 seconds
I think you're putting too much value in the aero, and not enough into the brake issues Max had. Aside from the brakes and fuel load, the car was identical to Saturday, when Max won the sprint with more than 10 seconds over second place
Well it's known that all teams try to get the limit and sometimes cross them. They can be lucky that Sainz and Russel are not looked at, because there would be a good chance they have issues at well and could get a disqualify.
If you look it this way, this circuit does not suite the RB car as it has to higher the ridehight. On flat circuits RB will be faster again. And they stopped developing for this year. So next year i expect the same order for the nr1 Red Bull. The rest is to be seen.
Ypu can see george and carlos' cars were noticeable higher
Personally, this is another one of many reasons the Sprint Races piss me off. They don't matter much, and cause so many issues like Max's brake issues, and the additional wear on Hamilton and Leclerc's floors. Just do away with them at this point.
Formula 1 is a team sport. Sprint race weekends affect the team more and brings out the better teams due to little practice. It shows who really understands strategy and how to set up a car. It makes for an unpredictable race which this was. Just sad that Merc and Ferrari ran an illegal car.
@@garrettfritz7219 I am mainly hitting on the additional toll it takes on the cars. I remember growing up in the early and late 90s watching Formula 1 with my Dad. I was enamored at the level of racing and the excitement I had for each GP, now I can't say the same. The reason, F1 is more about money, than racing. The level of tech, strategy, etc obviously has to improve. But something as silly as a cash grab Sprint Race is annoying, especially when it leads to results like this. What's the priority? It's not clear anymore.
Their own fault, they not anticipated on it. McLaren could, Red bull could. So their own fault.
@@KGI_KlikoNL well only Max's car, and Lando's car were tested out of the 4 cars. We don't know if anyone else's car had the same issue. And to hit on the second half of your comment, I am not dissolving fault, but if there was more practice time to dial in height, and less laps adding excessive wear, we don't know if this issue would still be present.
This is why i hate sprint weekends. The practice sessions are vital
5:50 this ever present tone with EVERY SMM take on anything regarding Red Bull or Verstappen, that there is valid reason to question the legality of the RB19, never cease to amaze me.
I'm fine with the random selection for whatever test. But I think if any of the first four fail, the FIA should then have to draw another random 4 from the remaining cars, until all four cars are clean, or they run out of cars to test.
intelligent alternative
Except it wasn’t 4 random cars, they specifically picked the Mercedes and Ferrari as they noticed something during the race and wanted them checked for a suspected rule breach, they then picked another 2 at random.
The tolerated wear amounts need to be amended for sprint weekends. It hard to call it the "pinnacle of motorsport" when you give teams hardly any time to tune their setup before locking them into their setup for the entire weekend and subjecting the cars to a sprint race...
Check the lap times and tell me it isn't the pinnacle of motorsport 🤫
if it was red bull, merc fans would be saying they cheated. Therefore, by their own logic, safe to say Mercedes cheated.
If merc fan are so toxic why u not better example as redbull fan and rather than this toxic comment you can write something nice.... love this keyboard warriors. Its unfortunate that f1 have many fans like this :/
yup
@@michaelmahrik9946Never try to reason with these losers, all they care about is hating on Lewis and Mercedes for likes on their comments.
Also never try to reason or deal with Mercedes fans because they're always so delusional about the RB's
Typical team LH Behavior
That’s right because it’s always a good idea to respond to dumb with dumber.
It was hinted at a few years ago that the sinking ti blocks was giving one team an unfair advantage but nothing was done or named.
A rule regarding how much a car part can wear is just nonsensical. It doesnt account for the varying factors and conditions of a race, and punishes teams for things that may be well out of their control (e.g. running over debris).
A much more fair rule would be to regulate the approved materials for the plate, the amount of thickness it has to have, and test each car at the beginning of the weekend and after the final practice session, anyone with wear past a specific point will need to replace the plate before qualifying.
worked so far
@Stimor define "worked." Technically, Feudalism 'worked' for a long time until people realized there was a better system that was more equitable. Just because something is in place doesn't mean it's the best way of doing things.
@@KordellCaldwell It has worked so far in the sense that the FIA can use it as a card to spice up F1 into a reality drama whenever they want or manufacture title fights like they did in 94 when they first introduced the rule :)
A great explanation as always👌👌👌
At least Logan finally got a point.
And on merit too
It's very nice video
I guess there is always a reason for a car's surprise unbelievable pace
Except that Hamilton managed this pace thanks to his skills. Leclerc was still slows ASF , why? And you don't even gain more than 0.1s with that . Hamilton would still be 2nd anyway
@@mago97615 he cheated his skills had nothing to do with his miracle pace just like max his pace is the car not his skills
Great video thank you.
In my opinion the punishment was fine as a rule was broken however when you have two different teams both getting a disqualification with the same thing raises questions and something needs to be done.
Either a change of the sprint race format or test more cars when 50% of your sample size have been disqualified.
I agree the fact it was two separate teams with the exact same technical infringement leads me to believe other team potentially might have had the same issue with their planks
I guess we will never know now
I think the obvious fix is moving Parc Ferme to Saturday with car setups during sprint weekends and increased scrutineering so more cars can be checked rather than just 4
No. Nothing needs to be done. The regulations are there. They are part of the safety precautions to prevent deaths like those of Ratzinger and Senna happening again. What you have here are two drivers: Leclerc did manage to get a pole position (but screwed himself over with an entirely bonkers one-stop strategy). Hamilton got closer upfront and was more competitive than usual. Both of them outperformed their teammates. Now we see that part of the reason of their success was by running their cars too low. It is on them that they perform within the regulations. They don't? They get disqualified. They took their chances, and they took the resulting penalties.
And if they had fears of being caught running too close to the ground, they could have broken park ferme, replaced the plank and started from the pits. Though that would probably not help that much if they still drove too close to the ground. Because they would still have worn through their planks.
And no, quit being dumb, check out how many rules and regulations there are. Then picture yourself checking one single car, then picture yourself doing all the checks on all the cars. Then realize that the teams have to move on to the next GP and have to start a whole packing procedure. The FIA can't inspect everyone and everything without disrupting the logistics.
Two drivers wanted to go fast, put their cars too close to the ground, ruined their planks and got disqualified. Other top contenders did not.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Alonzo did retire due to floor...
@@FrancisFjordCupola You can't be sure whether Hamilton and Leclerc were faster than their teammates solely because of the fact that their teammates' cars didn't get checked. It's the age old excuse of FIA can't, which basically means FIA doesn't want to because they don't care. The finest motorsport series in the world has enough money to organize a process for all cars to get checked and they should be. This isn't just because some well-known drivers got disqualified, but because we're talking about what can be done to improve the sport.
Things like this only happens once in (almost) a lifetime. So I guess no need for revision, it just happened that two person got caught violating technical regulation. Like Vettel two years ago in Hungary
I heard / read several times that Red Bull did a fuel run in free practice, and Mercedes and Ferrari didn't. RB did its homework better.
So much for everyone catching Max. We hear this after any race that Max didn’t when by 30-seconds. He started P6 and was running less down force. Can we stop with all the BS about Max falling back to the Pack. He won the Sprint race by 9 seconds! My guess is he wins Mexico going away, which is what he’s done every time he’s won a close race. Best driver, best car, best team.
That's your big gripe ? You're hero doesn't get enough praise despite all the awards and accolades he's received ? Man the fanbase of this sport has plummeted downhill of late.
@@braveheart4603The only crybabies bigger than Max are his fans. It's not enough to win, you have to kiss the ring too. There's doubt he might win Mexico? Here's another headline: Pittsburghers upset when Steelers lose.
@@draneym2003 teamLH are 1000x worse
Great informative Video
On the bright side, they seem to finally managed to resolve the porpoising issues, if they could go that low…
That indeed seems to have been both their blessing and their curse this weekend.
Merc themselves claimed that they got porpoising under control after Spain 2022. They simply chose not to do it because it meant raising their car.
@@Arsenic71 They didn’t solve it then… Raising the car is easy, and obviously that fixes porpoising. The challenge they were struggling with was to solve it WITHOUT raising the floor.
I’m not a Mercedes fan, but the sprint weekends are a setup nightmare.
They need to adjust the parc ferme rules for sprint weekends. And frankly there needs to be another practice session added. The whole point of practice is to get the cars into the best possible shape for the races. Hamstringing the teams doesn't make for better racing.
It adds more unpredictability, which is what they seem to want
@@NonFlyiingDutchman except it kind of doesn’t. The sprint race often spoils the Sunday race. The only time it doesn’t is when either has different weather conditions.
@@spawnofapathy the principle is less practice means it's less likely that everyone gets the optimum set-up and the race gives the expected result.
Yeah, fp1 and fp2 on Friday, sprint quali and sprint on Saturday, finishorder in the sprint is the grid order in the race. What we have now makes the sprint totally uninteresting if your not anywhere close to p8 so why even bother?
@@mathiasgustafsson9224 That's what we had in 2021, 2022.
So another Red Bull win by staying compliant with the rules. How ironic.
Good to see the FIA don’t have a problem retrospectively penalising drivers and changing the results for technical infringements. However, they aren’t so keen to look at themselves when blatantly rewriting the rule-book on-the-fly. I get the warm fuzzies all over again.
F1 feels so artificial now a days. But I think in the end it was fair, Lewis intentionally took Max out in the British GP to get back in contention. He got away with it and then karma hit back like a bitch. Or when Checo crashed in Monaco Q3 and ended up winning the race, that was foul too.
Maybe when Massa gets his title taken from Lewis we will see it as the circus that it is, and Lewis can proceed to take Max's.
sorry, but huh?? no rules were rewritten for this. As they clearly said, this is a 30 year old rule. EVERYONE knows about it.... then what's wrong with DSQing two drivers based on the fact that they broke the rule?
What do you mean by retrospectively? This happened on the spot right after the race. How more promptly do you want them to act?
@@Michalloteincorrect.
Max clearly turned in on Lewis and backed off.
It was a racing incident.
It went down to the final race and the championship was decided by Masi.
Long arm of Masi?
Also, good shit, Austin. Another good race at COTA. Shame its a rally track, but its also the only track i know of where NASCAR, Indycar, F1, and GT cars race.
Random test where not random. Fia analyzed porposing during the race to pick the Ham and Lec. Probably it meant they tested Norris and Verstappen to not get discussions about Fia being on the hand of Red Bull and mclaren.
Nice videos
My hunch is that The FIA realized that Mercedes and Ferrari were trying to gain performance by lowering the ride height and decided to check the top 4 teams so that they would not appear to be biased. It would be highly improbable that 2 out of the 4 cars failed this test, if the test was totally random when the last time a car failed this particular test was about 20 years ago....So the FIA must have been suspecting something was afoot.
The question is, was the improved performance due to the new floor or the lower ride?...you could also ask if George`s pace was a lot poorer because they only lowered the ride on car 44, which is fighting for second place in the championship?....or maybe I am being too cynical and none of this is true and it was just an honest mistake.
Could be an oversight, could be deliberate out of desperation
Usually nobody would try to violate technical regs because the punishment is extremely severe. And even if it happened, nowadays it's more accidental rather than deliberate
The fia saw just as i did the car from lewis and charles seems very low
George who is driving for Mercedes is also fighting for 2nd place in the constructors championship so it would be ridiculous to favour just Hamilton. Hell if George had done a better job, Mercedes would have had a higher chance of winning with both drivers up front.
@@NJ0711 tbf, George already doing very well this year. He just needs to clear his head
@@hectornecromancer5308 Not nearly as well as last year. He's only shown up in the second half of this season but too late to make any real impact for the team or for himself imo
Good show to Williams for a double points finish and for Sargent scoring his first F1 point in his home race. 🇺🇸
SARGEANT POINT RAHHHHHHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅🐐🐐🐐🫡🫡🫡
What a joke of a season. Here's hoping for 24 cause I tuned out after the 4th race and nothing seems to have changed much.
I always love the speculation on why the Red Bull car doesn’t have the same stability problems as most cars on the grid because every team has spent a massive amount of time Chasing Red Bulls aero design and still can’t figure it out after seeing it race after race that probably tells you there looking in the wrong place
Suspension, its got way more anti dive and squat. That's one of the likely ones
Wow ❤❤❤ very nice video 👏👏👏
This just points out that Mercedes really didn’t gain anything on Red Bull. I wonder if George’s car had the safe height and they used the difference to gather data on the new floor.
No it doesn't - they could still have gained on them
that is just not true, there is no proof that mercedes gained anything in performance just with ride-height look at ferrari they were a second slower on some laps than mercedes even though ferrari was running lower too, bullshit argument
@@QuotidianStupiditythe Sprint showed the performance difference, Max 9sec ahead in only 19 laps
@@RehanX44Ferrari had HUGE tyre wear. Merc didnt. The Sprint showed Max’ lead on Merc, McLaren and Ferrari WITHOUT the braking issues during theFULL GP
I would say they did gain something, just not as much as we see on this race.
I'm so glad there are so many people from the FIA in the comments section who know why they didn't check all of the cars!
Let’s go Sargeant, let’s fricking go man, great job Logan
Excellent explanation on the way the decision is made which cars are selected for technical checks . It is obviously impossible to check all cars or at least one car from each team or final race results wouldn't be known for two or three days.
It does mean that some cars breaking the rules intentionally or unintentionally 'get away with it'.
Critics of the disqualifications should consider this.
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This Rule is a great one, way ahead of it's time when it was founded.
the execution is very sloppy tho.
F1 earns so much money, it shouldn't be hard to have a 200 people of mechanics and engineers.
check everything on every car at every venue.
at least after the Grand Prix.
😂😂😂 what
everything here just demonstrate how impressive is max and rb19, winning even when competitors breaks the rule to compete
Makes one question if they same happened at singapore: red bull running higher because they knew of that problem and therefore they were slower.
Only difference back than NOBODYs floor was checked, so maybe Ferrari and merc were illegal back then too
Random checks have been done to Mercedes and Ferrari before and they passed.
Likely at least for Mercedes they got caught out by bringing the floor upgrade this weekend and then went right into setup for qualifying. Then saw the wear and thought “it will probably just make it”. The downside of a floor upgrade on a sprint weekend showing its teeth.
Red Bull knew the problem because it was discovered at Eau Rouge (aka why they lifted their car). There was also the technical directive about the floors that was made less than a month ago that directly was targeted at the floors. This included the blocks they mentioned but also the stuff they were putting into the board that would leave patterns in the track showing the floor wear points (remember how prior to recently you could see yellow markings in the asphalt on the racing line? That). Basically teams are a bit more blind now leaving them more prone to possible mistakes.
The fact 2 different teams were dinged for it would lead to the possibility that Mercedes and Ferrari weren’t the only ones who failed, they were just the only ones caught. I would bet only McLaren and Red Bull were the ones who were innocent because they use a similar suspension concept, and as a result, had to adjust similarly to the rough track.
They were definitely checked. It just happened they able to comply
@@hectornecromancer5308 nobodys floor was checked at singapore. Fact
@@manuelsinger957 how'd you know none were checked?
@@hectornecromancer5308 4:28 this video
Well explained 👏
Wouldn't this also technically mean they're disqualified from Sprint results too, seeing as they can't change that setup under Parc Fermé?
Car was legal during the sprint but illegal during the race
Wear rates probs were fine for the sprint but not the race
No, why would it be? They can only disqualify them from the session in which the plank was found to be worn greater than the regulations. If the plank wasn't found to be worn after the sprint, or they didn't check it, then there's no issue.
Less laps in that race, so also less wear on the floor. It's the floor thickness that get measured.
Fair points. Less fuel load too so makes sense, thanks.
Except what is mentioned but left out of the end conclusion, that while have a lower car might not be the biggest step up (although I expect it did gave the more performance), RBR still ran higher and when running lower retains more of an advantage than shown here...that is also without counting the fact that MV had to start 6th and had a break issues.
sister cars should always be checked as well if there is a fault in the test.
Fault in the test? How do you see that happening when it's only measuring something? If there's doubt you can measure again on the same car.
@@kever678i think he means that if the car fails the test and gets dqed, the sister car should also be checked. I dont think he meant that the test itself failed
@@dreadlock375 makes sense 😂
Soooo, they do not check that every race for every car?
I wonder how many drivers this year had illegal cars after the race or a qualy session.
Sometimes they skid so hard over the kerbs where i thought that the planks must have taken a big hit.
Interesting.
alonso prob had an illegal car considering he ended up with floor damage
i think its really down to the sprint weekend format. having only one practice session is honestly a joke.
Thats an excuus.. 18 out of the 20 drivers had it correct.. its a setup fault.... everyone played it safe exept those 2 and this was the result.. mercedes and ferrari can only blame them selfs.. i agree that sprint weekends are not perfect.. but you cannot blame a car setup fault to the sessions as all drivers have the same time to figure it out.
Funnily LH and Charles are the ones who CHEER for only 1 FP 😂 It bit them hard……
how do you know 18/20 had it correct when only 4 cars were tested?
@@AGS956only 4 cars were checked
We don't know about the other 16 cars if their planks were fine
@@AGS956 clearly dont know the rules. Only 4 cars were tested and not all of them. SMH
You love to see it 😊
I think on the positive side as a Merc fan they've finally got a floor that works well. They can ride it really low without porpoising. Now they just need to get the set-up right from track to track to avoid this wear issue like Redbull did.
That set up is to raise the ride hight like red bull did for this weekend, but mercedes would probably be back to the midfield if they do that. So their performance gains was really non existent, becuase it was gained in a illegal way.
I agree. There are definitely positives the team will take from their performance.
They cheated..plain and simple if it was Red Bull.....you would hear Toto and Hamilton whining for months
@@TonVanDerAa You don't know and Hamilton race pace is always phenomenal . You sound just like a Hater. Jeez
good video
Great analysis by The Race as usual. I honestly understand that all the cars can’t be checked all the time, and that they don’t check at every race. Having said that, and given all the factors contributing to this weekend, it feels unfair to “randomly” check one from each of the top 4 teams and not any of the other teams. 50% failure rate signals that this was probably a prevalent problem throughout the field & they should have checked more cars. Some of the cars that benefitted from these two that were disqualified could have possibly been running in an illegal state as well. Very unfortunate for those drivers in my opinion. Nothing here suggests that there was an attempt to bend the rules to gain advantage.
It's not random. As it says in the video they can chose to scrutinise cars they suspect might be on the fringe of legality during the race or previous events. Picking one car from each of the top four fastest teams seems very reasonable.
Not if they handpicked these 4, which is very likely, due to having a good reason to suspect them for not being within the rules, noticing excessive sparking, vibrations, oscillations etc.
can you imagine if 50 percent of the cars failed based on 50 percent of the 4 that where tested ? it would be terrible for the sport .. when they have the sprint weekend and the teams don't have but 1 hour of practice its not really a good thing for the sport, how could they test a new floor with just one hour they need change the sprint format
@@TheTonyedwards1958 agreed. Given all these details, I don’t think that this weekend was the best one to be running this check, especially knowing there have been other races that this check has been skipped. Maybe we will see some changes coming out of this in the future, but at this point, it’s really unfortunate for those two drivers, and unfortunate for the fans who will have to endure comments being thrown around that their teams/drivers are “cheaters”
@@TheTonyedwards1958 the format and the limited free practice was well known in advance for everyone, testing such upgrades during these circumstances is a free choice and accepted risk
For those confused about why more cars weren’t checked, the rules at present do not permit them to test the sister car if one is found to be illegal.
The FIA does do ‘some’ tests on ALL cars, such as: tyre pressure, steering wheel, high rev limit, oil consumption, plenum temp, IVT temp, ES, energy release & recovery, MGU-K, MGU-K & MGU-H speed, MGU-K torque, chassis, torque coordinator, torque control, rear brake pressure, brake temp warnings, race data, clutch paddle, MGU-K use, ES charge status, formation lap speed, PCU configuration, tyre starting pressure, specific tyres used, fuel pressure, engine cooling pressure, fuel flow meter and fuel mass flow.
There’s actually only a handful of tests that are NOT done on all the cars.
It’s important to understand the rules of the FIA and actually read the post race scrutineering, before stating things as ‘facta’.
Before you comment (those who aren’t happy about this), first ask yourself, would your reaction be the same if it was RB? And also, Toto himself said he agreed with the DSQ. Do you think you know more about the rules and what is fair in the sport than he does?
Everyone is allowed their own opinions. But let’s try and keep the discussion rational and not reactive ☺️
The planks are made from jabroc, which is a wierd material.
Almost impossible to cut without destroying wood blades!
Its also used as a neutron shield in the radiation industry.
Just wanted to share that useless info for you chaps 👍
thanks, you learn something every day.
used to be made with jabroc, now it's made of permaglass as per Craig Scrabrough
Did they go over budget? No ones talking about that!! Cheaters!!
It's illogical to have a rule that is punishable by DQ and it only be limited in selection. Every car, every race must be check if it's going to be that punitive. Tf.
I agree, both of the Mercedes and Ferrari cars should have been DQ'ed
@JRock3091 no they need to check every car
@sinra9379 Also, I agree.
Very good 👍
Just FIA doing its best to keep Checo in P2...
Tissue
For your floor issue @@adl6907
I find it funny that Merc and Ferrari fans push for an inspection of all the cars which most probably would eliminate their second drivers and not harm RB.
In my eyes, kind of lucky they only checked these ones
It's not obvious that this is true. Ride height is not the only factor in plank wear. If you take more curb, you have more wear. Which automatically puts you more at risk if you make a longer first stint, as you will have to take wider lines and thus take more curbs. And doing this with a car full of fuel leads to more wear. Max had a short first stint. That may not be a coincidence, as RB seems more aware of plank wear issues, which makes sense, because they have been driving their car low for two seasons now. Under the old regs, they ofcourse were usually driving very high on the rear suspension...
What annoys me is that they didn’t check everyone’s car. FIA screwing up again.
No they didn't. It's always be the rule that 4 random cars get tested .
Its not always random, if they see a car bottoming alot they will check those @@alcoyne3333333333333
thats how it works in f1 buddy
@@alcoyne3333333333333no.. top 3 and 1 random
nice content
I wonder how legal was Mercedez when they dominated back in the days past... it is no secret that Mercedez stretches the rules up to breaking point.
Like Redbull with the cost cap story? yes
@@mago97615 wow. taking your team out for lunch makes the car 0.5seconds faster.. Gonna try that with my car, Stop at a KFC and BOOOOOM!!! extra 5 horses..
And btw .. Who got disqualified last weekend because of an illegal car?
@@psyborg01 Mate cost cap isn't all about lunch lmao. But can't talk with obvious Max fanboy / Lewis hater . Redbull drivers ( especially Max) are never punished , he's the new golden boy , pushing off his opponent , exceeding track limits , benefitting of new rules lmao. I prefer not to talk. You have your opinion i got mine
@@mago97615 and let's keep it that way👍
Good video nice time
Welcome back, Scott. Hope you're enjoying life as dad 👍🏼
The sprint race format clearly played a factor. This wasn’t in place when that rule was applied. It’s a bad look in my opinion for F1. The teams were as I understand it not allowed sufficient opportunity throughout the weekend to be able to observe whether or not this would be an issue. It’s something that the sport needs to be proactive in preventing.
I think so too. When was the last time a team was DSQ'd for incorrect measurements? Mercedes in Brazil 2021... two common denominators there - Mercedes and sprint races.
The Brazil one is totally different. The gap in the DRS wing is the same for every race and every setup. According to Mercedes it was a malfunction in the mechanism. That can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. @@WiisardNic
@@WiisardNic You mean the common denominator is that Merc can't adhere to the rules like the other teams? Maybe they should just ban Merc outright and get rid of the root of the problem.
Its a 30 yr old rule. They just gambled and lost. Take it like a man.
Erm... they had every opportunity. Why did you think Red Bull was doing long runs on Friday? Precisely to see what kind of issues the race may bring up, as there was little time to prepare for it, and Red Bull always prefers a strong race over a strong quali
Another problem with having Parc Ferme after one session which is just silly to me
Not all cars get checked and they barely give free practice time. Then since only 4 cars get checked 2 drivers take a DSQ but everyone else doesn't even if they were also "breaking the rules".
Unfortunately, that's how random testing works - in all sports.
I don`t think it was as random as it appears. I think the FIA suspected some teams to be running too low, and included them in a sample for the test that wouldn`t look biased, hence why they included Verstappen and Norris as well.
My understanding is the cars selected for measurement were the three podium cars and the pole position at race start. Therefore, Max, Lewis, Lando, and Charles.
Do you hate the rule or are hurting over who was punished. The rule has always been there and offenders are always punished accordingly. Why do you suddenly feel the urge to re-write the rule.
Also you worry about the DSQ, how about the half that complied.
@@dibdab101 Granted, but it did make sense to select the 3 podium finishers as well as the pole sitter for scrutiny - any advantages gained by rule breaches would be most visible with these cars