I cannot thank you enough for this video, I have not seen my mother since she died many years ago and to see her in the film was a truly marvellous experience. This video has brought back incredible memories of my childhood in Bermondsey and the wonderful close knit community that existed then, many of my clothes were purchased there and I was happy to wear them.The salvation Army provided help and shelter for many individuals who resided there, its a shame its now gone but the kindness and help will always live in the memory and hearts of those who received it.Thank youDavid Paul Baker
I have so much time for the Salvation Army, not only do they talk the talk they walk the walk. They helped my dad enormously after the war, he had been in a prisoner of war camp and was treated very badly, his parents were dead and he had lost touch with his sister. They found his sister for him and helped him in every way possible. I was born in Bermondsey and in those days it was such a wonderful community who always helped each other out, we had such great neighbors that we called Auntie and Uncle, it breaks my heart to see what London has become, there are no real Londoners left. This video brought back such great memories, thank you!
Darcy Lowe .. I’m a real Londoner, born in Paddington in 1948, my parents had a flat in Royal Crescent at the bottom of Holland Park Ave. I came back to London in 1966 and used to live on the borders of Notting Hill/Holland Park but moved to East London, now in Leytonstone, 17yrs ago as West London became so expensive. My father was a fireman for London Fire Brigade during the war, he later became a RAF dispatch rider but they moved out of London when I was nearly 3 with my older brothers. We still used to come to London regularly as we had relatives still living here who have all passed on now. I moved back to the same area and it had changed then ... Majority of East End Londoners have all gone, died or moved out to Essex, I feel like a foreigner now with all the accents/languages spoken being from other countries. It’s a shock when I actually hear a London accent lol ... I must be one of the die hards lol, I still love London but it’s changed enormously over the years and not for the better for poorer residents, English or not .. My mother-in-law spent many years living in Hackney and Bow, both areas very gentrified now. She passed on about 36yrs ago, two of my 4 children also moved out to Essex but my eldest son is still here over in Battersea on an enormous converted Humber Barge ..... I too am now thinking of moving out to Essex ....
@@cosm1cstar I know, I lived in London until I was 21, I had a wonderful time living and working in Chelsea, but now I cannot even go up to London, it upsets me too much to see my beloved city changed beyond all recognition, as you say an English voice is a rarity nowadays. I cannot even imagine living there now. I would feel alienated in my own country. It's a really sad state of affairs, of course the MP's and government don't live in areas occupied by foreigners but in their huge houses in gentrified parts of London, they make me sick! Anyway, your son's barge sounds fantastic, does it move? I do hope you decide to move to Essex near your children, I know the decision won't be an easy one but I wish you all the best, take care and stay safe xxx
Darcy Lowe .. hello D’Arcy, many thanks for your lovely reply. Yes, my sons barge does move but it’s docked at one of the Piers between Battersea and Wandsworth in a gated community of about 16 other barges/houseboats .. it’s 100ft long about 18ft wide, wheelhouse converted into large kitchen and dining area, still has the wheel and can be moved if wanted, downstairs is a large sitting room, 3 bedrooms, 2 with en suite shower rooms/toilet, a proper bathroom + boiler room etc all connected up to mains water/sewerage/electricity/internet etc .. it certainly is lovely, he shares it with a friend ... there’s a smaller room which my son uses as a music studio, he has an internet radio station + he’s a web designer .. I stay there now and then .. Yeah, London has changed enormously. 4 South London Council Estates have been sold to developers, Heygate Estate, Aylesbury Estate in Elephant, Cresswell Gardens top of Brixton Hill, Central Hill Estate Dulwich-W Norwood borders, New Era Estate Hoxton E London, W Hendon Estate and one in Barnet “so far” .. social cleansing is big lucrative business for developers here in London ..... Soooo many many foreigners here in London now. My council is run by Africans/Caribbean’s, only one white English person in there !! Hackney Council the same .. London is not the friendly place of old, soooo many rude people with no manners-please or thank you’s, they push and shove their way on buses, they take up the front seats on buses that are there clearly marked for elderly/less able to stand, cut one up by suddenly walking across ones path when walking ... In a nutshell London is being socially cleanse and gentrified. There is a nice channel here on You Tube called Joolz Guides, he takes you around London areas and talks about how places used to be, he’s interesting .. I will at some point move to Essex, hopefully live near to the central line tube as it goes out to Epping now .. I wish you all the very best D’Arcy, lots of love and hugs from one Londoner to another😁👍🏻👍🏻❤️
Wondering what happened to the doctor, engineer and stock broker that they ended up in a shelter. I think some of the professions have been a bit exaggerated.
I used to work in Bermondsey Baths my Mother worked at Bermondsey Town Hall. I met many many very brave men and women like these who had served their country and been through the horror and loss of war. Real genuine good people. Bless them all. Bless The Salvation Army.
I lived there in 1975-76. I was there twice, first in a big room with lots and lots of beds, and the second time in a cubicle. I was living on the streets and in trouble with the police; it was used by them as a bail hostel. On my first night I was terrified and unable to sleep, an Irishman in the next bed passed me a bottle of booze, he said, “the only way you’ll sleep in here is with some of this down your neck.” I looked at it and at him in the semi-darkness, and said, “No”. It was a world that was Dickensian; I remember the morning sun pouring through the windows, blokes either shuffling about or sitting on beds, everyone smoked, and the patterns of smoke hovered and swirled in the sunshine. I could go on. It left a deep impression on me, lost souls and deep humanity.
I used to work in the old Bermondsey Baths. My Mother worked in the town hall. Spar road. Most of my older colleagues were all in the war. This Man was was a Chindit. Must of had it very hard in Burma. My mates father two of his mates lost there minds in the jungle. The horrors of jungle warfare. A hero he would have had the right to the Burma Star. This Christmas we will be collecting clothing and food for covid and unemployed victims. God bless the Salvation Army.
Thanks so much for sharing this video. Just today I discovered that my great grandfather was actually living here in 1928. Sadly he died of TB in the local workhouse infirmary.
my dad was always buying us clothes from the Sally I remember bringing home a TWA stewardess uniform , a light blue jacket with matching skirt ," Got a smart outfit for yer girl " (he called me and my sister's girl all the time and my brother boy ) I altered the skirt and actually wore the suit to cockney land disco that was under the arches in crucifix lane ! ahh the memories , thanks for the video 😀
He's not having much joy knocking on doors. The Salvation Army is the best place to search for missing friends and relatives, they are very good at finding missing persons.
Used to get a bus from The Elephant and get off in Spa Road where I worked in Finance for Southwark Council. Bob Coomes was The Finance Director, as I recall...
Isleofskye I used to work in Bermondsey Baths some times I would do over time in the slipper baths. People would come in for a hot bath some times I would work in the Laundry. I would meet genuine Good People real good people most had been though the hell of war, and loss, of poverty but still had dignity and honesty didn't have much (nor did I) but they all lived very useful full lives and had time for one another. Bless them all. Charley was a CHINDIT entitled to the Burma Star. I met a CHINDIT in Manchester bus station we chatted. They had it rough real rough. I met a lot of brave men like brave Charley in my time in Bermondsey. Bless the Salvation Army. My Mother worked in Bermondsey Town Hall.
People were so civilised in their communication then. But still, this is a sad little film. All those men...no family. Many were casualties of that war. Or the other one.
It kept them busy and they had a sense of purpose belonging. The Sally army did (does) good work . They were very good at finding people after the war and one of the few my old dad in-law gave too .
Remember this by my mums Nan , the Sally Army used to buy books from here many years ago had a beautiful library near by with records a great park , happy days other than the tannery but didn’t mind the smell too much the roads being tarred lovely smell cut grass , was here when I learnt of jfk being killed everyone so sad 😞 ,
I was born in 1970 in Yorkshire and remember well the old ladies in pinnies, rollers and headscarves and the chaps in tweed caps and suits - my grandparents' generation. They were always telling stories and on with one job or another. Even as a kid I knew that once they died out the common sense backbone would be gone from Britain.
Bermondsey ending in Thornton Heath, Galpins Rd Croydon. I used to live there, changed now to mini Jamaica and Little India/Pakistan full of fast food and hall churches. Nothing traditional Catholic or Protestant in English towns and cities.
From East Lane Market. One of my best mates moved from Kennington with his Parents in 1967 when Black crime was spilling over from nearby Brixton. They bought a house in Mayfield Road off Galpins Road for £5,000. Now worth £440,000 as I looked it up the other day. By The 1980's it had become Little Jamaica as the Black influence ( and crime naturally ) spread to that area along The London Road.. By 1983 they moved to the heart of Kent and his parents to The West Country. Now that crime trail has moved all the way along to Croydon and now GUARANTEED you will find Croydon will be known as a hotbed of crime. Where are you now m8? I also moved in 1983 to Bexley where I jave had 36 fantastic years since....
It is ashamed that your comments end with nothing traditional in English towns or cities! The Jamaican’s, India’s and the Pakistani were the new working class and the new entrepreneurs! The white flight was inevitable - those who remained improve the quality of life for those Bermondsey residents in terms of housing, employment, shared experiences especially improving community relationships! It was a lovely personal documentary on a group of men who probably witness atrocities that can only be described disturbing - at the time the Sally was the only supportive agency their for this group of people - most English town and cities during that period abandoned them because of their hurt! Forget the Jamaican or the Indian or the fast-food restaurants - take a look at your own story?
Crime during the early 60s & 70s was more likely to be committed by white young men than Blacks and the data will show you this! There was a policy from the council to genuinely removed known white families associated with criminal justice system - furthermore, this policy was further used later, to remove black families to encourage gentrification! Only few black families held onto homes that cost thousands of pounds, sold and some returned to the West Indies! Don't get caught up with simple and easy narratives! Please address the issue of the film and rather than your white guilt of a England that seem to be crime-free!
Almost certainly, unlike you Cedric,I was THERE at the time,living less than 3 miles from Brixton and Peckham. Ask any older or former resident of the former Peckham "5 Estates" who was committing a totally disproportionate amount of crime. Do you realise b4 they came that The London Evening News vendor left his money bag and his papers in the ROAD overnight for years, without a problem or that the Council rent man carried in Cash the equivalent,most days, of over £1,000 ( circa 2019 ) ....How come I could walk home at 4am from those areas without giving a thought for my personal safety? By 2005 Black people committed 157,000 out of 175,000 London street crimes with White females ( perceived easier targets ) being the victims on 155,000 occasions and THEN the ethnic breakdown of street crime ceased to "preserve community relations". Not bad for 10% of the London populace. The Bangla Deshis committed virtually no crime and are the most impoverished racial group. So much for the "poverty" argument. Between 1970 , when records commenced and 2005 The London Black Community,officially, committed the most crime in EVERY one of London's 33 Boroughs EVERY year. That is 1,181 sets of stats involving over 5 MILLION separate crimes. !! Remind me , please. Were you a resident of Tottenham's Broadwater Farm Estate or The Stonebridge Park Estate or East London's London Field Estate or was it South London's Brixton Hill Estate ? I know Inner London backwards so it would be fascinating to compare experiences, mon ami...
By the way . I used to compete against various members of The (then ) Harrow Road Police Force in 1973/74 and they told me the "Blacks" THEIR words, caused more problems than everyone else put together ! Obviously with 7 million Londoners then and 99% White you were going to have "some" White crime. Mainly football hooliganism but they,rarely, robbed Old Ladies in the street.Now EVERYONE is a potential victim..
These programmes were so staged, I'm a Londoner and Ive never known Londoners speak with such posh accents or willing to admit they were down on their luck.
This was pre windrush Generation, we only had a few thousand black families nationwide then, Croydon then was 100% indigenous and yes all spoke well and dressed nice, labour then had members with only a flat cap to distinguish the working class left against working and middle class Fascists and upper class Tories. This is the year my mom was born with no perversion of our language by far left pro lgbt twisting of words like gay and gayiety. With no Jamaican, African, Jewish or Pakistani/ Indian Islamisation and Hinduisation of pockets of the UK or influence our language.
My mother and her family came from rotherhithe and they all spoke far better than I do and they hardly ever swore and when they did it would be "bloody" . Most people wanted to better themselves and would keep their front doorstep polished and window nets clean. They may not of had a lot but they had pride in abundance.
I cannot thank you enough for this video, I have not seen my mother since she died many years ago and to see her in the film was a truly marvellous experience. This video has brought back incredible memories of my childhood in Bermondsey and the wonderful close knit community that existed then, many of my clothes were purchased there and I was happy to wear them.The salvation Army provided help and shelter for many individuals who resided there, its a shame its now gone but the kindness and help will always live in the memory and hearts of those who received it.Thank youDavid Paul Baker
bless we don't see the salley
Kay Harris Thanks Kay for your comment
David
PS are you from bermondsey ?
Morning bets.x.
I have so much time for the Salvation Army, not only do they talk the talk they walk the walk. They helped my dad enormously after the war, he had been in a prisoner of war camp and was treated very badly, his parents were dead and he had lost touch with his sister. They found his sister for him and helped him in every way possible. I was born in Bermondsey and in those days it was such a wonderful community who always helped each other out, we had such great neighbors that we called Auntie and Uncle, it breaks my heart to see what London has become, there are no real Londoners left. This video brought back such great memories, thank you!
Darcy Lowe .. I’m a real Londoner, born in Paddington in 1948, my parents had a flat in Royal Crescent at the bottom of Holland Park Ave. I came back to London in 1966 and used to live on the borders of Notting Hill/Holland Park but moved to East London, now in Leytonstone, 17yrs ago as West London became so expensive. My father was a fireman for London Fire Brigade during the war, he later became a RAF dispatch rider but they moved out of London when I was nearly 3 with my older brothers. We still used to come to London regularly as we had relatives still living here who have all passed on now. I moved back to the same area and it had changed then ... Majority of East End Londoners have all gone, died or moved out to Essex, I feel like a foreigner now with all the accents/languages spoken being from other countries. It’s a shock when I actually hear a London accent lol ... I must be one of the die hards lol, I still love London but it’s changed enormously over the years and not for the better for poorer residents, English or not .. My mother-in-law spent many years living in Hackney and Bow, both areas very gentrified now. She passed on about 36yrs ago, two of my 4 children also moved out to Essex but my eldest son is still here over in Battersea on an enormous converted Humber Barge ..... I too am now thinking of moving out to Essex ....
@@cosm1cstar I know, I lived in London until I was 21, I had a wonderful time living and working in Chelsea, but now I cannot even go up to London, it upsets me too much to see my beloved city changed beyond all recognition, as you say an English voice is a rarity nowadays. I cannot even imagine living there now. I would feel alienated in my own country. It's a really sad state of affairs, of course the MP's and government don't live in areas occupied by foreigners but in their huge houses in gentrified parts of London, they make me sick! Anyway, your son's barge sounds fantastic, does it move? I do hope you decide to move to Essex near your children, I know the decision won't be an easy one but I wish you all the best, take care and stay safe xxx
Darcy Lowe .. hello D’Arcy, many thanks for your lovely reply. Yes, my sons barge does move but it’s docked at one of the Piers between Battersea and Wandsworth in a gated community of about 16 other barges/houseboats .. it’s 100ft long about 18ft wide, wheelhouse converted into large kitchen and dining area, still has the wheel and can be moved if wanted, downstairs is a large sitting room, 3 bedrooms, 2 with en suite shower rooms/toilet, a proper bathroom + boiler room etc all connected up to mains water/sewerage/electricity/internet etc .. it certainly is lovely, he shares it with a friend ... there’s a smaller room which my son uses as a music studio, he has an internet radio station + he’s a web designer .. I stay there now and then ..
Yeah, London has changed enormously. 4 South London Council Estates have been sold to developers, Heygate Estate, Aylesbury Estate in Elephant, Cresswell Gardens top of Brixton Hill, Central Hill Estate Dulwich-W Norwood borders, New Era Estate Hoxton E London, W Hendon Estate and one in Barnet “so far” .. social cleansing is big lucrative business for developers here in London .....
Soooo many many foreigners here in London now. My council is run by Africans/Caribbean’s, only one white English person in there !! Hackney Council the same .. London is not the friendly place of old, soooo many rude people with no manners-please or thank you’s, they push and shove their way on buses, they take up the front seats on buses that are there clearly marked for elderly/less able to stand, cut one up by suddenly walking across ones path when walking ...
In a nutshell London is being socially cleanse and gentrified. There is a nice channel here on You Tube called Joolz Guides, he takes you around London areas and talks about how places used to be, he’s interesting .. I will at some point move to Essex, hopefully live near to the central line tube as it goes out to Epping now ..
I wish you all the very best D’Arcy, lots of love and hugs from one Londoner to another😁👍🏻👍🏻❤️
They really are wonderful. People knock Christians all the time but THEY are the ones looking after the weak and vulnerable.
Wondering what happened to the doctor, engineer and stock broker that they ended up in a shelter. I think some of the professions have been a bit exaggerated.
I used to work in Bermondsey Baths my Mother worked at Bermondsey Town Hall. I met many many very brave men and women like these who had served their country and been through the horror and loss of war. Real genuine good people. Bless them all. Bless The Salvation Army.
More hot water in number 11 please!! Your comment brought back those happy memories!
Such good and decent people . They took such pride in their work .
I lived there in 1975-76. I was there twice, first in a big room with lots and lots of beds, and the second time in a cubicle. I was living on the streets and in trouble with the police; it was used by them as a bail hostel. On my first night I was terrified and unable to sleep, an Irishman in the next bed passed me a bottle of booze, he said, “the only way you’ll sleep in here is with some of this down your neck.” I looked at it and at him in the semi-darkness, and said, “No”. It was a world that was Dickensian; I remember the morning sun pouring through the windows, blokes either shuffling about or sitting on beds, everyone smoked, and the patterns of smoke hovered and swirled in the sunshine. I could go on. It left a deep impression on me, lost souls and deep humanity.
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you x
Lovely little film, London needs places like this now more than ever
Flipping marvellous
I used to work in the old Bermondsey Baths. My Mother worked in the town hall. Spar road. Most of my older colleagues were all in the war. This Man was was a Chindit. Must of had it very hard in Burma. My mates father two of his mates lost there minds in the jungle. The horrors of jungle warfare. A hero he would have had the right to the Burma Star. This Christmas we will be collecting clothing and food for covid and unemployed victims. God bless the Salvation Army.
I used to go there in the 60s
My mum used to work in st olives hospital
We lived in orchard house
Thanks so much for sharing this video. Just today I discovered that my great grandfather was actually living here in 1928. Sadly he died of TB in the local workhouse infirmary.
Thanks a lot for posting this, it is a fine video if one is interested in finding out about what old working class areas of South London were like.
my dad was always buying us clothes from the Sally I remember bringing home a TWA stewardess uniform , a light blue jacket with matching skirt ," Got a smart outfit for yer girl " (he called me and my sister's girl all the time and my brother boy ) I altered the skirt and actually wore the suit to cockney land disco that was under the arches in crucifix lane ! ahh the memories , thanks for the video 😀
He's not having much joy knocking on doors. The Salvation Army is the best place to search for missing friends and relatives, they are very good at finding missing persons.
Used to get a bus from The Elephant and get off in Spa Road where I worked in Finance for Southwark Council.
Bob Coomes was The Finance Director, as I recall...
Isleofskye I used to work in Bermondsey Baths some times I would do over time in the slipper baths. People would come in for a hot bath some times I would work in the Laundry. I would meet genuine Good People real good people most had been though the hell of war, and loss, of poverty but still had dignity and honesty didn't have much (nor did I) but they all lived very useful full lives and had time for one another. Bless them all. Charley was a CHINDIT entitled to the Burma Star. I met a CHINDIT in Manchester bus station we chatted. They had it rough real rough. I met a lot of brave men like brave Charley in my time in Bermondsey. Bless the Salvation Army. My Mother worked in Bermondsey Town Hall.
Well said Henry.
Were are you now, my friend ?
Henry is such a lovely chap! Really nice.
People were so civilised in their communication then. But still, this is a sad little film. All those men...no family. Many were casualties of that war. Or the other one.
A lot of these men were probably War damaged...down on their luck.
It kept them busy and they had a sense of purpose belonging. The Sally army did (does) good work . They were very good at finding people after the war and one of the few my old dad in-law gave too .
This is so fascinating. I will never tire of watching this video.
Very sad!
Lived near here in the 80's - seems so long ago.
It all very sad but at least they are not drug dependant, like today in 2019 things are a lot worse the homeless now have drug issues also
Remember this by my mums Nan , the Sally Army used to buy books from here many years ago had a beautiful library near by with records a great park , happy days other than the tannery but didn’t mind the smell too much the roads being tarred lovely smell cut grass , was here when I learnt of jfk being killed everyone so sad 😞 ,
saturdays when mum had a bob or two we would go to the sally auction to buy clothes shoes etc.
BMW Isetta bubble car 1:10
A land fit for hero's eh, nothing changes much, very sad.
I was born in 1970 in Yorkshire and remember well the old ladies in pinnies, rollers and headscarves and the chaps in tweed caps and suits - my grandparents' generation. They were always telling stories and on with one job or another. Even as a kid I knew that once they died out the common sense backbone would be gone from Britain.
Anyone lived in orchard house in the 60s ?
So strange how men mostly in short and tie. My dad said his dad was always in tie and shirt. Must been hard for sides doing washing.😀
great document. early sociology on film
Bermondsey ending in Thornton Heath, Galpins Rd Croydon. I used to live there, changed now to mini Jamaica and Little India/Pakistan full of fast food and hall churches. Nothing traditional Catholic or Protestant in English towns and cities.
From East Lane Market. One of my best mates moved from Kennington with his Parents in 1967 when Black crime was spilling over from nearby Brixton. They bought a house in Mayfield Road off Galpins Road for £5,000. Now worth £440,000 as I looked it up the other day. By The 1980's it had become Little Jamaica as the Black influence ( and crime naturally ) spread to that area along The London Road.. By 1983 they moved to the heart of Kent and his parents to The West Country. Now that crime trail has moved all the way along to Croydon and now GUARANTEED you will find Croydon will be known as a hotbed of crime.
Where are you now m8? I also moved in 1983 to Bexley where I jave had 36 fantastic years since....
It is ashamed that your comments end with nothing traditional in English towns or cities! The Jamaican’s, India’s and the Pakistani were the new working class and the new entrepreneurs! The white flight was inevitable - those who remained improve the quality of life for those Bermondsey residents in terms of housing, employment, shared experiences especially improving community relationships! It was a lovely personal documentary on a group of men who probably witness atrocities that can only be described disturbing - at the time the Sally was the only supportive agency their for this group of people - most English town and cities during that period abandoned them because of their hurt! Forget the Jamaican or the Indian or the fast-food restaurants - take a look at your own story?
Crime during the early 60s & 70s was more likely to be committed by white young men than Blacks and the data will show you this! There was a policy from the council to genuinely removed known white families associated with criminal justice system - furthermore, this policy was further used later, to remove black families to encourage gentrification! Only few black families held onto homes that cost thousands of pounds, sold and some returned to the West Indies! Don't get caught up with simple and easy narratives! Please address the issue of the film and rather than your white guilt of a England that seem to be crime-free!
Almost certainly, unlike you Cedric,I was THERE at the time,living less than 3 miles from Brixton and Peckham. Ask any older or former resident of the former Peckham "5 Estates" who was committing a totally disproportionate amount of crime. Do you realise b4 they came that The London Evening News vendor left his money bag and his papers in the ROAD overnight for years, without a problem or that the Council rent man carried in Cash the equivalent,most days, of over £1,000 ( circa 2019 ) ....How come I could walk home at 4am from those areas without giving a thought for my personal safety?
By 2005 Black people committed 157,000 out of 175,000 London street crimes with White females ( perceived easier targets ) being the victims on 155,000 occasions and THEN the ethnic breakdown of street crime ceased to "preserve community relations". Not bad for 10% of the London populace.
The Bangla Deshis committed virtually no crime and are the most impoverished racial group. So much for the "poverty" argument. Between 1970 , when records commenced and 2005 The London Black Community,officially, committed the most crime in EVERY one of London's 33 Boroughs EVERY year. That is 1,181 sets of stats involving over 5 MILLION separate crimes. !!
Remind me , please. Were you a resident of Tottenham's Broadwater Farm Estate or The Stonebridge Park Estate or East London's London Field Estate or was it South London's Brixton Hill Estate ? I know Inner London backwards so it would be fascinating to compare experiences, mon ami...
By the way . I used to compete against various members of The (then ) Harrow Road Police Force in 1973/74 and they told me the "Blacks" THEIR words, caused more problems than everyone else put together !
Obviously with 7 million Londoners then and 99% White you were going to have "some" White crime. Mainly football hooliganism but they,rarely, robbed Old Ladies in the street.Now EVERYONE is a potential victim..
Love to no if anyone new bill deadman and violet deadman bill had a sister called shirley married to harry
17:58 Finding Nemo, mine, mine, mine, mine. lmao..
2019, Londoners still struggling for work and an affordable place to live. Plus ca change...
Londoners lol That's a joke, you mean foreigners?
42 my arse...looks a lot older!
millionseller jeff The people did look older then, l thought the same as you... He looks about 60.
He'd been through a war.
These programmes were so staged, I'm a Londoner and Ive never known Londoners speak with such posh accents or willing to admit they were down on their luck.
This was pre windrush Generation, we only had a few thousand black families nationwide then, Croydon then was 100% indigenous and yes all spoke well and dressed nice, labour then had members with only a flat cap to distinguish the working class left against working and middle class Fascists and upper class Tories. This is the year my mom was born with no perversion of our language by far left pro lgbt twisting of words like gay and gayiety. With no Jamaican, African, Jewish or Pakistani/ Indian Islamisation and Hinduisation of pockets of the UK or influence our language.
It states at the very end who was taking part you fucking numpty!
My mother and her family came from rotherhithe and they all spoke far better than I do and they hardly ever swore and when they did it would be "bloody" . Most people wanted to better themselves and would keep their front doorstep polished and window nets clean. They may not of had a lot but they had pride in abundance.
@@diongibbsbpwp160 well said sir.. completely agree..👍
Grim.
I have no time for the Salvation Army at all All they want is your money
That's what my mum used to say about them