Hearthstone just banned this card from Standard!
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Today we take a look at a surprise Hotfix put out by Blizzard for Hearthstone that sees a Standard ban, a Twist ban, and multiple bug fixes for Twist and Battlegrounds which goes live today!
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At this point I am convinced Blizzard doesn't know what is doing in terms of balancing. Banning cards after a rotation with a single expansion out this year?
balanced or rigged pick one :)
Because they don't. Team 5 is full of kids with no experience in the industry
Their lead data scientist left for second dinner.
nothing wrong on this TEMPORARY bann. this card is too strong and kills new decks.
when someone who think he/she know how to make balance talk...
I would have banned doomkin instead. It feels bad to have your mana stolen and added as part of the opponent's mana pool. It's definitely a double ramp moment, where they are going up and you're stuck not being able to play a card or two.
Yeah, ban the 6 mana card, not the 2 mana enabler. Thank God not everyone gets to be a game designer.
skill issue, if you pass turn 5 without spending mana, doomkin doesn't do anything. truly a noob mistake
@@ioannispaxinos5171 It's not so much as the 2 mana enabler as much as the puppet master combo with summer flowerchild, which could potentially create 4 doomkins, ultimately shutting down a deck. Druid has so many tools for ramping up, why should it matter to ban a card that prevents your opponent from ramping up as well? Druid should be able to ramp, but not steal opponents mana as well to ramp.
I really don’t see why the splasher is a problem. It is the core card of the deck for sure, but it’s a fair card. It’s just a worse Wild Growth. If 2-mana ramp is not allowed to exist, why did Blizzard buff Wild Growth to 2 mana a few months ago?
The real problem is indeed the doomkin.
@@cuihenggangHow is it worse? It's Wild Growth with a body, that can be generated off multiple effects. It's strictly better in a dragon deck.
My opponent was a 50 HEALTH Arfus, had to double check, how can a bug like this even happen...
i would rather they hit doomkin because fuck that card honestly
Hard to hit doom since druids a ramping class.. It could be 10 mana and be toxic
agreed, it's one of the worst feeling cards to have used against you in the game imo
@@ja0062734 when druid is top of the meta its never a good time.
doomkin is not ramp, though, doomkin is taxes and that is not fun. :) so druid can go suck a big one :D
Doomkin should get one of your opponent unused mana crystal, that way you can play around forcing to spend all the mana
Really goes to show just how powerful Badlands is, arguably the one of the most powerful expansions we’ve ever seen. Damn near every meta deck is centered around Excavate and/or Highlander. For crying out loud they nerfed Reno three times in less than 6 months
x3? I thought it was twice? The first nerf changed 8 to 9 mana, but also added “deck started with no duplicates”. At the same time. 2nd nerf to 10 mana.
but Reno decks are not that prevalent right now. And excavate does not feel unbalanced. Good but not unbalanced.
Reno keeps getting wrongly nerfed, and excavate could use a buff.
@@johnparkin7872 Reno should be 7 mana, but leave the left most minion in the open slot. That way players can play around it a bit. save their portals an zylliaxes or whatever.
then again, that may actually make the card even stronger since it will lead to a completely dead turn. idk
@@johnparkin7872 excavate warrior? Meta. excavate rogue? Meta. Excavate paladin? Meta. Excavate Death knight? Meta. Excavate warlock? Nerfed treasure for being too meta. Excavate shaman maybe could use a buff? Idk what game modes you’re playing. Kobold miners are everywhere in standard.
I crafted Thorim specifically so I could play my favorite archetype, Totem Shaman, in twist. Now I’m down 1600 dust that I can’t get back. Feels bad man 😢
will be back soon tho
Who would've tought Wild Growth in Standart could be this broken when there are barely any other ramping options.
Crazy stuff.
Ramp is the core druid identity since release, pretty wild that they can't balance the game around it. At this point there is like what, 2 ramp options? One is at 6 mana...
Wild Growth is in standard
The druid is a problem if op but if the paladin dominates everything there is no problem with that.
@@sylvanashun4104 they just love Paladin/Hunter in general. The classes have been on top 5 for a long time and they do nothing about it.
@@sng9xdruid and mana cheating been a problem since Classic... its a reason druid most nerfed class ever
just play paladin or hunter. I dont think blizzard CAN balance the game anymore its too powercrept, so just play the good classes or dont play HS anymore. thats what is happening to all the live service pvp games, you either tier abuse now or just lose cause the low tiers are unplayable. smash bros is like this too but its really obvious because its nintendo.
I won 10 fights in a row as demon hunter , then i hit platinum and oh lord i lost too every paladin, maybe won 1 fight.
And its such a boring deck that i really dont want to go any further
@@DavidSmith-cr7mb wild is the same... its Raza priest, Quest warlock or miracle rogue... play anything else and lose
I play off meta decks, like 2 years ago i created my own deck and got legend with it, that is impossible now.. due to the insane mana cheat decks in Quest warlock, egg hunter and miracle rogue or you lose to hand distruption + otk decks like Raza priest or renathal druid aviana
As crazy as it sounds, that whelp rarely shows up in a timely fashion for me and the deck still does great. You know what FEELS bad is having your resources attacked like mana crystals or cards, or having so much mana cheat in the game that someone can spam two to three turns of value in a single turn. It always comes back to mana cheat.
I think doomkin is our first taste of cards that can de-ramp an opponent. The closest parallel we’ve ever had was celestial alignments pre-nerf version. I think destroying an opponents mana crystal is almost twice as valuable as developing your own. Ramp is always valued based on how fast you get it. Playing overgrowth on 4 mana makes you have 7 mana next turn. Over the course of the next 5 turns, you are effectively gaining 9 mana from the 4 mana overgrowth card. This is very strong, but consider if overgrowth were to instead take away an opponents mana crystals (who is also at 4 mana), the next turn they have 3 mana crystals, over the next few turns they will miss a total of 17 mana crystals. That is fucking abhorrent. Literally game over.
I think this is the beginning, I don’t think Team 5 actually understand why mana capping at 10 is deliberate and a balancing feature to curb ramp. By destroying the opponents mana, you instead subvert the natural mana cap and greatly extend the amount of disadvantage the opponent is at.
Mojomaster zihi
@@unnume2772 zihi falls into the category of symmetry. While celestial alignment is technically symmetrical, the Druid casted nourish to immediately be ahead of you significantly, also lady anacondra for a time could get dropped to have a bunch of 0 mana ramp and board development played in rapid succession and then your opponent had 1 mana crystal = one card to clear what you created (this is an extremely similar case to what we see with doomkin, being wide development, Druid has kneecapped the opponent and they are unable to deal with the board with the restricted ability to play). Mojomaster Zihi was a card created to be Druid hate by someone who I don’t think understands why Druid is good. Even if you equalize their mana with Zihi, it just brings any ramp stuck in their hand back into relevance and they beat you back to 10 mana. Also 6 mana is a lot to commit a 5/5 against Druid who is at the very least at 8 mana or more the turn before you’re dropping this. The symmetrical effect cannot be played for your favor which is why it’s really bad.
There was a 3 mana warlock demon that destroyed both yours and your opponents mana crystal. It wasn’t even close to a problem card.
@@jordanlutz8307 symmetrical de-ramp isn’t an issue because both sides suffer. I think doomkin is the first true one-sided de-ramp (besides I guess sword of a thousand truths but like come on)
no wild balances for warlock and rogue, literally no point in playing this dead game anymore
they have to do more than just demon seed and boat rogue.....literaly hundred of cards need to be nerf in wild
I mean, they have to fix the mode that actually makes them money first.
lmao what are you smoking, wild is fine. it's a high power format and there are plenty of decks that can compete with warlock and rogue. Wild doesn't need nerfs because you refuse to play meta. thats just a skill issue. if you want to play a game that goes past turn 7 than play standard because wild isn't that format
What rank are you playing in? Because unless you're high diamond into legend, every other on of my opponents has been running some slow, homebrewed deck that gets destroyed by the 1200 dust combo priest deck.
Honestly, combo priest needs a nerf if anything. I still win by turn 4 nearly every game I win.
You wanna talk about toxic?
@@ketchubb all the same crap at legend 500+......same unfun stuff..i can play monkey brain dead decks too but its not enjoyable...b4 they completly broke wild i manage to go up to Legend 10......afterward could not bother with such a boring brainless meta
It's Crazy how fast they fixed Druid compared to warlock, warrior, paladin in past expansions. In this case, this is one of the only ramping options for druid (a class known for ramping btw). Why can't blizzard be this quick with all emergency hotfix patches lol....Seems sketchy.
Blizzard devs r monkeys
Very fast to ban/nerf druid cards. But warrior and paladin can let it roam for a month or 2
@@GenericMedusa99u are a monkey for shitting on blizzard for teeny tiny reasons
Not a fan, too many nerfs/bans this season. Call whizbang the season of nerfs to me. I dont love druid but this is too far.
whizbang they picked nostalgia over balance.
too many ? way too little...they need to give wild a huge chunk of love and nerf hundreds of cards....i have a huge list of nerf and buffs they should do...but i dont think they care anyway...was ignore on official forum
the heroes health in twist really confused me... my health always changed between 30 and 50 health and I had no idea why was that ...
so a new deck comes in a week and the only solution to make it not strong is to delete the whole class????
wow even more paladin now ! cant wait !
When I did rafamm it would always copy my opponents hp I thought it was some weird rafamm Easter egg but yeah caused problems when I went against someone with 25 hp
Druid is not the problem imo, currently 34 wins 1 loss with paladin handbuff haha
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I noticed the wrong health bug when I faced Xyrella with 50 health
Link?
2:58 I think they probably debated "Do we hit the Whelp, or do we hit Doomkin?", and Whelp... 😂
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why do they not ban the weapon in buff pally?
well I wasn't expecting that, it doesn't fix the issues i've had with whizbang's meta in general but I guess it stops the "every deck is druid or druid counter" period we just had
so now its back to handbuff paladin all day
@@stevecanham1145true ig things are not gonna improve too much 😅
I was looking at the date like this just be recent I just played against Splish Splash Doomkin Druid. Posted 1 hr ago. Does Zeddy get tweets directly from hat?
Yeah, they give him patch notes ahead of time. That's why it's in a document format this time, and previously he's stated that he's showing a patch notes page 'draft' that wasn't posted to the Blizzard news yet.
It's just wild growth with a 1/1. Whats the big issue?
They will later make it 3 mana anyways
Wild Growth effectively costs 3 mana after you play Malfurion's Gift. Whelp gets the ramp cheaper and potentially one turn earlier. It also doesn't hurt to have a 1/1 body as a bonus, though that's the least important part of the card.
Because you can play it with wild growth. Thats why it should get removed.
@@synchronium24it’s also a dragon in your hand
@@Ocarus0Cycle Technically an additional requirement, but an easy condition to meet in this deck.
@@synchronium24 yeah and it also triggers other dragon synergies
I puzzled me how blizzard made a big deal about rotating ramp out of Druid’s standard… but wild growth and splish splash whelp still stayed in (and doom kin… but as someone who played doom kin in warlock w/o ramp, it’s not that bad)
you can still get it post ban from purified nest. so seems just a deck building ban
The 4 mana gain 10 mana crystals discard your hand is the only mana gain card with no nerf right?
Mire Keeper, Jade Growth, Pilfered Power, Overgrowth, Biology Project and Widowbloom Seedsman didn't get nerfed.
@@locogato3488 I was counting 1 side effects, but you are right I forget about some of them
Blessing in disguise for me. After getting Legend (first time) with Buff Paladin last month, I've been trying to learn Combo/Hybrid Druid and just not getting it. So, now I can just go back to Paladin.
I appreciate the content zeddy good work
I think the reason to shut down twist for a month is that they need a patch to remove previos mode and add another, but their patch schedule is not matching to 1st day of month. Technical issue, they can't do much about it. Especially when it's about their non-profit sandbox.
A few days ago I played a bunch of games. I had multiple games were a druid was on 9/10 mana and I was on 3/4.
It’s really bizarre how we’ve had consecutive balance patch snafus where a deck that shouldn’t have been left alone gets left alone and needs Emergency hot fixes. it’s not like dragon Druid is some week old deck that’s barely seeing played so you wanna hold back like Window DH or even Reno warrior.
The worst interaction in Twist is Tamsin which damages herself when uses here hero power it heal Xyrella.
Im shook that they actually banned a card this close to a new release
Is whelp really the problem? I think the problem is the target dragon draw. It makes the dragon package way too consistent.
Draw 4 dragon
Then draw 4 spell really fun.
@@stanleyliuchangtian5382that’s not how it works plus some decks only run 1 take to the skies
Not the poor little welp... 😢😢
Man am I glad that I held off on crafting Fye.
I had a feeling they'd do something.
At least without Fye, I wasn't able to climb with this. Doomkin always just felt like a huge tempo loss and I never drew my Troggs or titan in time.
And so I'm kind of glad that I can move on to something else probably without spending dust. 😅
It's strange, I've faced Thorim about 15 times and my opponents have never had a bugged Throim.
I think it's good to finally pay attention to how broken it was. took too long
Doomkin would have been better, but I’m thrilled to see the meta shake up. The next few weeks before expansion were looking very un-fun otherwise.
Man, sad that my janky heropower druid gets hit hard like this.
I had been wondering why druid was ramping and mana cheating at the same time. Do one or the other, glad we got it sorted.
Malfurions Gift is still in, people can just sub in Wandmaker to often make more of those
I didn't realize HS did bans. I thought they only increased mana.
shoutout to when I fought a cthun with 100 health as a 20 health arfus
I haven’t had to play a lot of splish-splash whelp so I don’t have a comment but 70% win rate is pretty crazy we’d seen alot less Reno after the nerf too and I’m not sure the win rate before and after but I can’t argue with dropping the win rate to make it more competitive
“How do we balance Druid? Just ban their cards.”
Druids are still discovering and playing splishsplash welp... So... Was it unbanned after 2 days?
Feels really bizarre to me that Blizzard will say in one breath that they want to be more patient with balance changes because they’ve seen how rapid nerfs just leaves a power vacuum in the meta with Whizbang’s Workshop, but then in the next breath they’ll completely ban a card because a strong deck was abusing it.
Don’t get me wrong, Splish-Splash Whelp was problematic, but it really hurts my confidence in Blizzard’s ability to keep to their word if they can’t keep their “murder deck” boners in check for at least a normal patch cycle, ESPECIALLY because this came after a period where the deck’s data would be warped by anomalies.
Blizz said the first balance patch of Perils in Paradise will be at least 2 weeks post-launch, but I’m starting to think that they’re gonna just end up panicking and banning the first tier 1 deck that rises in the young meta.
I'm not that mad about the change, but how the fuck did paladin dodge this kind of ban after being the most annoying and toxic shit for more than a year now and Druid gets hit. Does aggro get a pass for this kind of bullshit ? Are we not allowed to have a match that goes longer than 7 turns ?
I come back to Hearthstone after a 6 years break. Spend all my dust one deck, and it gets banned the very same day xd
Shit game honestly
honestly don’t craft toxic or top 1s so u can actually play them
@@Whateverx9993womp womp! Look who’s still playing the game!!
@@Ocarus0Cycle Interesting take. What do you suggest? Should I have crafted a bad performing deck instead? Keep in mind I didn't know what was considered toxic in the time.
Any way I now use much more budget friendly Flood Paladin deck. I'm on a 12 win streak in gold rank, so I think I'll be climbing fine for foreseeable future.
Finally. Druidstone is maybe over for some time now.
Problem: Paladin has multiple top tier decks.
Blizzard: ....let's nerf Druid!
Druid is the best deck in the meta, can’t be played around for some decks and toxic
Well, certainly more than just changing the numbers.
Not the Whelp :( makes me sad
ppl would just lose interest in the new xpac having forced to play druid stone for the next two weeks
Druid is going to go from, 40% of all played decks, to ‘unplayable’, because of 1 card being nerfed?
Not unplayable, as I do ok even when I fail to draw Whelp. I suspect it will be in the range of mid tier 2 to bottom of tier 2 now.
Thorim nooo 😢 I was happy playing totem shaman
This is part of why I quit Hearthstone. I just spend all of my dust 2 weeks ago to craft the druid ramp deck, and they're nerfing it again, basically destroying my dust. Same happened with my dragon priest and my highlander (brann) warrior. And what do they leave intact? Aggro. Of all the top decks on Hsreplay, druid is basically 1 of the 2 or 3 decks that are not tempo/aggressive. The first control deck on the list is like nr. 15.
No me voy a molestar ni en contestarte en inglés. Sacerdote dragones era un mazo aggro, eso lo primero, lo segundo, si eliges ser un esclavo del meta y jugar lo más roto, te pasa lo que te pasa, diviértete en vez de jugar un mazo roto, disfrutarás más y aprovecharás más tus recursos.
@@ubeev281As a free to play player, playing one or two meta decks is all you can afford. Otherwise, you don’t win enough games to climb and unlock rewards.
@@ubeev281 ^ this. Sounds like you play every toxic meta deck that is popular rather than using what you have to make a smart counter to the prevalent ones.
@@CupOYerbaplay bottom tier 1 decks so they don’t get nerfed. Easy!
Love that they gotta hit druid if they are just a bit too good, but Flood pala can keep enjoying turn 5 wins for the rest of eternity?
Pala is not top 1 in legend and top 1k
@@Ocarus0Cycle So just top 1k and top 1 decks in legend get treated like this, and everyone else can suck it up?
Wish they’d remove Marin from Twist, format is about 1 in 3 Marin opponents. Awful.
That's why I play Boom, to counter the hyper draw
I hope they delete marin from the Game to overpowered card for 7 manaaaaaa !!!!!
Agreed, that's pretty much all I fight against.
Marin has a healthy win rate, so really you see him so much because he's just fun to play
@@haddensmith3343 bro he is disgusting 7 mana draw 3 cards for zero come on ....
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Doomkin seems like a better card to change. Maybe make it 7 mana? I dunno it’s rough
I honestly wouldn't mind both taking a hit. Whelp 3 mana 2/2 (Wild Growth with a body) and Doomkin 7 mana 3/4. They'd still be unfun cards to play against, but much weaker.
EDIT: Honestly even 3 mana 1/1 would probably work. I suspect that will be the "fix" when it gets unbanned but with no Doomkin nerf.
I can already see the nerf. From 2 Mana to 3 Mana, and maybe it also goes back to 2/1 stats.
Omfg im so mad i just enchanted Splish-Splash Whelp, 3 hours ago and now that i went back home this is banned and i just threw 100 mana to space, really cool
Think about it, ss whelp will be back in standard after perils in paradise releases AND u will get a refund
made a druid deck and it kept tellign me my deck wasnt legal for standard iw as like WHY WTFFFFFFFF and this vid explains because blizz didnt say anything in game
they did
The welp should just go to 3 mana. Also, why only druid is getting hit while paladin, the other top tier class, isn't?
Paladin isn't the other top tier class.
In legend its either rogue, dk or warrior.
@@REDDAWNprojecti got like 60% wr against druid using flood paladin, its definitely somewhere up there
Paladin has reliable counters. Druid does not. nothing consistently beats it
Yes! Thank goodness.
It can still be discovered.
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As a Druid enjoyer this pass expansion has been genuinely awful because druids entire whizbang expansion was getting 3 cards that are insane in dragon druid no spell damage support because they thought it was a good idea to limit all of the best spell damage support to the Perils in Paridise mage cards at which point it will become the best deck in the game and get nerfed into the ground. Whoever thought of spell damage should be fired.
Pretty absurd…i was on a streak with combo druid…rank 2 suddenly deck is not viable anymore…wth blizzard
Just bc ur having fun doesn’t mean ur opponent is.
I just played after the Ban, and i can confirm the card is still being played in Standard, people are getting the card in there hand using the card Cactus Construct, i can confirm this it was played against me , they use Cactus Construct summon a 1/1 copy of it and then get it in their hand and play it on turn 2 still.
So... imagine logging into HS, not playing in years, seeing dragon druid as a potential list, crafted some cards and then getting annihilated by a ban, not even a nerf, no refund, no notice just a big f*ck you and your dust
shit I mainly play rogue but just crafted a ton of cards for that deck bruh xDDDDDDD rip like 6000 dust
Quitting hearthstone on their 10 year anniversary is tough, but i havent played for the past month and i havent felt any incentive ever since their increase of quest exp fiasco. I was so turned off by that event that i just quit, which sucks bc i otherwise still love hearthstone and miss the game i once played
Wtf blizzard u think druid is a real problem?? Look at the fucking paladin and warlocks
Warlock is only best in diamond through legend same with pala but Druid is good in ALL metas use ur brain before having an opinion
Wait you’re telling me making welp a 1/1 instead of a 2/1 didn’t fix the meta. I am shocked.
I truly believe that they have like 2 people who dont work in expqnsions and work in maintenance of the game and we see the consequences of that
Honestly can't really get into the game this past month, there is no variety just the same decks and most are just toxic mana cheat, steal your most expensive card in play or I win cards. I miss slow attrition at least you had time to to build towards something, now there is no support for cards that cost 8+ because you lose or they get removed from your deck before you play them.
Leets goo giveaway
This is actually crazy lol
The fact that this is a problem is wild. Either classes have mana cheat or they dont. I miss the old days where the meta could see control decks try to stabilize by turn 5-6. There wasnt infinite value like now, 1 card all of a sudden turns onto you ending your turn with a full hand and board its just nuts the stupid combos. And dont get me started on the otk decks that you can do nothing about you just watch yourself take 40+ and have no way to stop it..... Definitely not participating still in this game it is just too much now into games have to end in 4 minutes or people get upset.
used all my dust to craft it then they nerf
I'm here to make zeddy go broke
Splish Splash Whelp wasn't ban worthy imo. It just needed to go up a mana and get its original stats back. Doomkin is the nightmare causer right now. Druids do be ramping. You can't stop that and we have to let them have SOME fun and Splish Splash Whelp is probably the least problematic body they've stuck a Wild Growth to in a while apart from how cheap it is. Seedsman was more obnoxious than this. Doomkin makes you unable to play the game and it's basically everything everyone hated about Alignment Druid on sticks.
can't wait for paladinstone
I mean if you've heard the stories from ex-Blizzard employees you've probably heard about how they see QA and how they treat them so it's not surprising shit doesn't get tested enough or even fixed when caught in their games.
Doomkin should never be able to be played in any deck except control maybe, to slow down the aggressive decks.
Since in any other deck types it’s just gonna cause people to hate it.
It’s just one of these cards that just feel bad and should have never been created.
"suprise hotfix patch" thats what you call it!?! lol!
Well when they collectively have brain damage as a company and make the rational decision to nerf old standard druid ramp cards up a mana cost only to randomly revert them for no justifiable reason who's surprised that printing even more busted ramp cards is a dumb idea???
Praise whoever got this done :D Now nerf cycle rogue in wild.
Doomkin needs to be changed to taking full mana crystals, even if they got the extra mana the same turn, at least there is some agency to play around it by using all of your mana. Banning it is also fine, but if they wanted a way to maybe fix it. Also, it couldn't be repeated multiple times with dorian unless you had multiple unused crystals. The whole point of druid is to ramp, whelp should exist, it is the stealing ramping that is the problem.
Might as well ban the druid class instead. Incompetent devs are not capable of balancing something so they completely disable an entire class just so that the "meta" can thrive. Great job Blizzard and HS team, keep up the good work!
If a single card being removed makes an entire class horrible than that’s bad.
GUYS
WE DONT KNOW THE META AFTER THE NERF
As a Druid player I would have preferred doomkin ban. It feels more toxic to play in ramp Druid. Splash splash being ban does make my hero power/spell damage Druid a bit worse but not severely
Whelp probably going to 3 mana 2/1
Whoa i hope from now on they ban every single card that enables a deck to be playable, you know like helya, like sonya, like pala handbuff weapon, like brann, like reno, like etc etc, yeah, love that, oh the aggro deck that kills you on turn 4 if you didnt draw a board clear? nah they perfectly fine and balanced and funny to play, ffs this game will become shadowverse in no time