Celebrate UPSC toppers & look at the system, micro odds, need for reform
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Only 1,016 of 13 lakh aspirants who appeared for UPSC in 2023 qualified for civil services. In Episode 1435 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta explores why so few make the cut & the wider debate around much-needed reforms to the system.
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Mr Gupta,Nomura Upgraded it's India prediction to 7%+,IMF just upgraded it's India growth to 7.8%, for FY 23-24, But You discussed their initial predictions of Nomura's-5.5% growth,IMF's-5.9% Growth for India in FY 2023 As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty
Mr Gupta,Nomura Upgraded it's India prediction to 7%+,IMF just upgraded it's India growth to 7.8%, for FY 23-24, But You discussed their initial predictions of Nomura's-5.5% growth,IMF's-5.9% Growth for India in FY 2023 As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty
Govt exam coaching centres in the north and Study abroad consultancies in south are two of the most thriving industries in this country atm. Crores of investment
So why burning in your ass??😂😂
There's a bigger issue. UPSC doesn't really test the skill that is needed to become a good administrator or a police officer. What it test if we know the past and present data.
This is an absolutely naive take. Do you think questions in mains are based on memorization? Look at the essay paper. You'll understand
No brother you are mistaken. You cannot solve present problems without understanding the past. You need strong understanding of past, how it affects the present and what steps we can take for future.
No exam in the world does that! So what ur point?
Go around randomly picking people? In a country like India u want people to have such discretion without due process?
Exactly and just look at the overall result. I am sorry to say but the output is below standard, just take a look at any collectorate, it does not feel like a place run by top-class people. I somehow feel that these many years of preparations, and uncertainty somewhere make one a different person. Someone who is determined to prove his worth to the world and in that process they fail to do justice to the very service they are after.
That should not be allowed in a permanent position without accountability and transparency and as taxpayers cannot do against them
BA, Bcom, Bsc Degrees - majority people who are preparing for this Job belong to these degrees. They don't good opportunities Like Btech , MBA. 😕
U hv covered a lots of points.
But You missed one of the important point.
That is, those who have cleared UPSC CSE once but didn’t get the adequate service then they are attempting UPSC CSE again to improve their rank. So New comers will not get level playing field or adequate chances to clear the exam.
This reform is also needed to stop those successful aspirants to give another attempt to improve their rank.
New comers need to do more hardwork..... Everyone has right to jump farther.
@@chhingariindian yes everyone has right.
But first they should resign from existing post & then they should give another attempt.
Why a constable can not become SP?
I have heard that NYPD has this rule of selection.
Why we don't try it here?
Elitism.
a necessary reform. There is no logic for continuing the IPS other than status and statusqousim. Police should walk the beat, manage station all before thirty and can then give exam to qualify for administrative role.
People will get promoted due to 'chatukarita', political connections, favours, etc. This will be the last nail in the coffin of meritocraticity.
@@bayonetofindia2034 how can we possibly erase the thin line between chatukarita and lust for status for becoming IPS then rather than coming in just because of determination to serve the ppl
In revenue department if you join as a clerk under the age of 25 then you may become at least the deputy collector. If you get political connections then it is possible to retire as a chief secretary.
Its a myth that IAS officers are paid less than Private Sector. You are only looking at their Salaries but if you add the cost of facilities they get including vehicles, bunglows, drivers, helpers, paid foreign trips etc their overall package is much higher than the private sector...
Correct apart from corruption
Wasted CTC. Why waste time over a never to be fixed problem? Last year a Babu emptied an entire stadium so that he could walk his dog another emptied a Water storage tank to find his phone. None of them were dismissed from service. The real reason for craze for these jobs is India's worst kept secret. NO accountability and UNLIMITED money. As Kejriwal's aatma would say "Sab mile hue hai".
mann ki bat boldi aapne. Suspension is like paid leave.
I want Modiji to be Romeo with me, the Janata and Stalin + Xi + Kim Jong Un with the Babudom.
the biggest proof that new IAS officers are completely unskilled for their job is that the ones who fail the exam can not find any useful job in the private sector other than coaching other aspirants. if the upsc was so good at finding "talent" then just sitting for the exam would be a point to highlight in your resume😂😂😂
@@priyojitchatterjee6164Do u even know the credentials of this years Rank 1?
@@priyojitchatterjee6164 you need burnol for your burnt 🍑?
I have invested 7 years in upsc and couldnt clear it, being an engineer, this gap is not accepted by metro corporate IT firms, i m having no money and rented a car and driving ola/uber now and i get 15k per month,from dreaming of 1.5 lakh to 15k per month😢
For once I agree with Shekar ji unquestionably. This is a tragedy that so many bright youngsters must face such bitter disappointment and have nowhere to turn.
There ought to be a Plan B. Something like a Class 2 service, or teaching in the secondary/primary schools at a reasonable salary
We have to stop celebrating/glorifying babus and UPSC clearers.
Its almost like chickens cheering for KFC.
Very well said
You have raised an important question; UPSC exam has now become coaching-centric. While there are some self-study successes, most aspirants go through 2-3 years of expensive coaching. While the successful candidates are, no doubt, brilliant, scores of more brilliant are possibly left behind. It needs thorough and quick reform to ensure that the UPSC net is cast wider, there is no or little room for coaching and the aspirants do not have to waste years of their prime career time in preparing for the exam.
This should be discussed extensively and reforms should be introduced asap.
Thanks for picking up this topic.
What reforms?
Civil Services should recruit for JS from a pool of well qualified lateral entrants in mid career 35-45 yrs of age on a contractual basis. Block and district level Civil administration should be separated. IPS should be recruited from mid level Army/CAPF retirees who have stagnated in their careers. IFS should be separated and expanded.
Angoor nhi mile to khatee hai
What reform??? Should politicians be allowed in politics after 60?? Why don't you open your mouth there??
Many Aspirants Cracked This Exam In 6th attempts also. U can check. 👍
Satyam jain sir didn't get selected after all his three interview and four mains
I feel low after his result
It's not the justice with an aspirants who have had three upsc interview and didn't have anything at last
True bro sad 😢
The best decision I think I took looking back was to focus on my professional growth and life in my late teens and early twenties and not get consumed by the UPSC mania that my Hindi heartland friends were consumed by. Looking back now that I am in my 40s, I have had such amazing experiences… Travelled the world, had personal and professional experiences that would only apply in the rarest of rare cases had I been selected in the UPSC - that too with a very high rank. Please do not waste your time. The system is flawed. Respect yourself.. listen to your own voice
You keep your mouth shut . Don't give Gyan. Angoor nhi mile to khatee hai
You are not counting the students who prepared and did not appear for exams, and those who dropped in middle. Just by number of coaching institutes, 13 lakh is low. Actual numbers who waste atleast one year would be in the range of 50 llakhs
The payment of civil servants is not only in money. It come in the perks they get. That is what the private sector counterparts do not get. That’s why even IITians are also coming to join it.
you can't think of anything beyond money and perks?
@@sleepingduty2987free palatial housing, govt paid servants, free car, priority access to Kendriya Vidyalaya (KVs are darn good schools), dearness allowances, priority access to first class in Railways, discount on taxes etc.
@@libshastra not everyone gets what you have mentioned here. Also this can be easily achieved by an IITian who has a starting salary of 40 lakhs. Do you even know the kind of jump in salaries they make in private jobs? You are so out of depth here, you don't even know.
@@sleepingduty2987biggest perk is job stability. The only negative is your work is easily affected by politics. No doubt most civil servants cosy up to their political masters. This creates an unhealthy nexus..
@@kumargourab2898Civil servants also suffer from tension & work pressure. Group A services are just like you typical manager jobs in private sector. However if you are an Engineer working in research job or teaching profession, which most IITians get then that's a better job.
You don't talked about about CSAT thing which is a cruel way to eliminate humanities students ... you just gave a lecture and tried to be genius
People who cleared upsc mains are those of fine tuned knowledge and should be taken into workforce and given jobs🥂
It is all about power and money. This year topper has worked for goldman Sachs, imagine his pay cheque, but all want to get hold of executive power and earn at much faster rate
Absolutely non sense analysis! Anyone can switch jobs if they don't like it & so did he!
Exactly. It is India's dirtiest open secret. With Babu position comes power and with power comes CONTROL. With CONTROL comes $$$$$.
We need a dictatorship of the bureaucracy. Strip freedoms of bureaucrats and IAS class until they comply with State and Janata.
Apni aukaad nahi toh corruption ka ilzaam daaldo
of course, you see it that way because you can imagine yourself of doing only that. There is no limit to the money he could have made in private sector. But some have different aspirations, but of course your imbecile mind wouldn't know of that.
People are ready with their hot takes but for most middle class and not so affluent folks, it is one of the very few ladders to social mobility. Rather than larping and ranting your envy for 'babudom' here, push for better opportunities elsewhere and most of the crowd will automatically fade away.
how is this one of the few ladders to social mobility?
@sahilnagpalx it's actually IIT, NIT and IIM
Most Toppers from UPSC are from these Institutions.
@@blushflush most toppers are from IITs because most students in india are engineers. But there are significant number of arts/humanities/science grads who find a place in the list who are equally meritorious but don't get the same opportunities as IITians due to the nature of the job market and the technical milieu
99.99 percent of them will not move up the social ladder. You bet any other career option would have a higher probability of moving up the social ladder.
@@mathurp6889 Statically you're right, only 0.25 Percent of Candidates who have clear UPSC moves up the Social Ladder but lack of resources stop others to pursue different fields
To get into any business or salaried job, people require one thing and that's access to Social Capital as well as Material Wealth.
Most of those who appear in these exams are either lower middle class or extremely poor.
They don't have other means to escape their material reality.
I must appreciate Shekhar ji for reminding us about our productive years, once lost there is no way we gain back those. I hope everyone calculate the odds of success and make a rational choice in their careers.
Fact is those who give exams hardly 10% do preparation to some level, rest give exam without any preparation. So the actual odds are much higher.
Under-rated comment
Also, many who reach a good enough critical mass in preparation end up with State PCS or some other jobs.
Out of 13 lacs 6.5 lacs appear😂😂. This higher number is just fake hype
URGENT REFORMS needed in COLONIAL system
Not even 1100 seats sir!
Around 80 seats for IAS (Gen), 140 for IPS (Gen). So, if someone is getting a rank beyond AIR 250, then he/she will definitely appear next time as well. Despite getting a rank this vicious cycle continues, nobody likes Postal Department Jobs by getting 450 rank!
Everyone's there for the plum posts, IAS/IPS/IFoS.
A very important and relevant topic. It’s time our bright young men and women taper aspiration for a job through UPSC, give it a limited number of attempts and years and try to make life more productive. There is a need to be more realistic.
The Civil Services (Preliminary) Examination, 2023 was conducted on 28th May, 2023. A total of 10,16,850 candidates applied for this examination, out of which 5,92,141 candidates actually appeared in the preliminary examination, + exam fees only Rs 200 or no fees for many , so many attend to simply write exam without any intention .
Apna kam kr n be 😂😂
Not just UPSC, the IITs exams are all total waste of time in the sense they are not finding out the talented but only filters out those who are good at preparing for exams, these exams doesn't create or finds and admits critical thinking skill people. Just so you know, Noble laureates and world renowned people are not spending their life preparing for exams.
If people want to spend life time to prepare for these exams, that's fine, it's their choice, but the fact remains is that it has nothing to do with finding the best of the best. It has only to do with finding good preparer, and resources , means available for them to prepare.
If you fail UPSC, you are back to square 1. If you fail IIT, you can bank on 2nd tier colleges or even 3rd tier college. You won't be back to where you started.
mukherjee nagar and old rajinder nagar are one of the best examples of demographic disaster.
Anyone should focus on the high probability of not getting into upsc. Instead try to become teachers, software developers or start businesses
IIT and AIIMS is not comparable because the next 50000 talented rejected have options here and abroad, in other govt or private college. The time spent on preparation for govt jobs is insane, and should be reformed
Nobody forced them to prepare for the examination... It's their own choice.
Age Limit should be 26 for Gen, 27 for Obc and 28 for SC/ST. This will save a lot of years for people to find a new carrer path. Also if you start your carrier at 37 and retire at 60 and you served government for only 23 years and you might end up living a long life which means you are paid pension for more years than you actually worked. Appointment at an early age will save some money to government. Youngest age to appear in UPSC is 21.
Many people complete theri MBBS and BA LLB by 24! 1 year of preparation and 1-2 attempts?
Civil Servants now don't get pension, FYI.
Pension of all civil servants is now under NPS
@@pp_01123 how many attempts/age would you prefer? Not Infinite I suppose..More the time, more the pain..2-3 years after 24 age is sufficient to decide whether you're in for it or not!!!Anyways there are IIT,AIIMS guys competing with you. Mind you...
Half knowledge is dangerous ... Peoplecome and blabber about things . Pensions do not exist after 2004 recruitees . so it does not matter how many years they served if they are good in it .. These tyoees of statements are always made by loosers and under confident people ..
First come in a job and then u gonna find you should always look for better options otherwise your hands are tied even if u r in good govt job ... People work on a good rank like class B posts for more than 10 years to get a single promotion and hardly get 3rd promotion before retirement and tbat too only top rankers in recruitment xam out of a large batch .. Restgonna see no growth even at age of 55 to 60 ... So this is basic rule whenver at whatever age u get opportunity always look for better option ..
@@pushkarmaurya6468I disagree partly. If you are gonna sit unemployed for UPSC for 5 years or more then that's not equivalent to switching jobs.
Last Year's Prelims Was Very Very Tough. 😕
Government should recruit people based on the required domain expertise and required skills rather than by conducting some stupid exam.
They did try lateral entry for proficient experts of their fields into services and it failed the results.
Then do you have good colleges at par with IIT -IIMs for all sections of society? What about the marginalized sections who didn't have the luxury of studying in top colleges? UPSC is seen by them a chance to prove their worth. First reform the education sector then talk about such westernized model of bureaucracy.
@@blushflush lateral entry never failed u got white revolution in milk by koorean he is lateral rntry
Adhar developed by nali niketan lateral entry
Previous PM was lateral entry
In curent gov who ssid latetal entry failed , they have performed but the lower bsbus create so msny files and put a rucus situation out of jealousey
I'm really thankful to you SG for choosing this topic
I have few friends from low backgrounds tolling away their most important years at something that isn't productive for the most of them.
I get it when people are preparing for corporate competative exams like TCS NQT, but in these groups exams unnecessary weightage is given to trivial knowledge that wouldn't help the attempter in any other way in life
Conducting the exam twice a year can also do the job Shekhar ji.
do an episode on bjp manifesto for cut the clutter
UPSC is fake exam
Its not intelligent exam like
IIT, IIM , GATE,
Its waste of time and energy of Indian youth
GATE and CAT are much more fake than UPSC exam, and easier too. All these exams, UPSC, GATE, CAT etc. test only rote learning and waste energy of youth
The system of directly recruiting officers in any service should be stopped . All must join as subaltern and gradually get promoted through performance and departmental tests.
If we have the system of taking in all only in subaltern ranks, more people would join. From among them who have the attitude, aptitude and competence and prove themselves should be promoted.
VP Menon was not an IAS or ICS officer but he rose to become the equivalent of the now Cabinet Secretary. He played a pivotal role in the integration of India.
Two former Union Secretaries had advocated shutting down the IAS shop.
Even doctors,engineers and IIM grads toil hard to get into civil services.
Why?
Not for social service. A doctor can do that by giving cheap or free medical services.
They all join for POWER, MONEY, STATUS and SUPERFAST CAREER.
One exam cannot gauge capability for different roles (administration, policing or auditing).
There can be a separate exam for the police and separate for administration, etc.
In ips recruitment should be done at constable level later only promotion based on efficiency and performance....this will increase efficiency.....in police they recruit constable on gk ,sub inspector on gk ,deputy sp on gk ,sp on gk .......even highest recruitment is based on general study like geography history not on ipc ,crpc here we should think
Most underrated Video, This is so important Video and should be promoted..
Let's be clear, we all know why so many people run after Govt jobs despite the "low" on paper "pay". Please don't give us FALSE hopes. Judiciary and UPSC are IMPOSSIBLE to be reformed in India irrespective of who becomes the PM. In fact, any attempt against the BABUS and the PM will lose his/her chair.
I encourage Modiji to become Mahishasura with the babudom. We need a real dictatorship with the bureaucracy. Whip the babudom into compliance with State and Janata.
I have one thing to say, let the people decide what they want to choose. If some one wants to prepare for upsc why the hell others r having so much cramps 😂
Not a sustainable choice
It is because the country is losing its Human Resource. In the most productive years of their life, they are preparing for a stupid exam for years and years.
My point is govt can regulate misleading ads but u cannot simply say no do not prepare and just go something else. Still in large rural parts of India the education level is pathetic. If u curtail attempts or put very low age limit, its going to give further advantage to elite students.
@@Rising._.Thunder its not as if upsc is not there suddenly our human resource will be utilised. Upsc is being made scape goat for now. Using same analogy there should be no competitive exam at all, at any level as in most exam people utilise 2,3 years.
This is not only in upsc exams, this is common in many professional exam just as CA. Same type of exams out side India isn’t that hard. For no reason these professions are over hipped
Much needed episode. I have given 4 UPSC Civil services attempts including 2 UPSC Mains, but could not get my name in the final list. Despite having an engineering degree from a prestigious institute, I witnessed difficulty in the transition of my career with the option of only higher education being left. Though UPSC provides a great career indeed but one tends to forget how much talent we lose as a country. Just go to the Mains exam center once., see the anxiety if all prelims cleared students holding fancy degrees and bygone opportunities at the mercy of most "uncivil" civil services competition.
Same here, how did you go ahead then, could you pls elaborate mba or corporate?
@@vibhusingh9152 I gave cat and other mba entrance exams this year , got good converts , thus I believe it will provide me a good platform where I can restart my career again.
Which college ?? Alll the best mate
Angoor nhi mile to khatee hai 😂😂
@@peaceandlov as of now mdi gurgaon and sibm pune are converted, waiting for other results
Can you please attach the link of the CTC episode on the former coal secretary who is in jail for not so important reasons. I think that episode is relevant to this & I couldn't find it, so ...
Needed reforms
1. At max 3-4 attempts
2. Reduce the examination cycle period to 1 year.
3. Preference to students who couldn't qualify interview in other govt exams like CSIR, CAPF, SSC, State PSCs etc.
4. Early release of Prelims answer key. Currently UPSC release the answer key after releasing final selection list.
Examination cycle period is already 1 yr.. instead it should be twice a year
The most needed reform is to adjust the interview appeared candidates in some services such as group B gazetted services, as consultants to government, state governments should give them 10℅ preference in State PSC, Pvt Sector should hire them (via some on the job training) since they are really disciplined and hard working. Unless this happens, the tragedy of UPSC Aspirants will keep on perpetuating and will destroy most productive years of our youth
Third argument is total shit😂😂
Thanku shekhar sir for becoming the voice of more than a million upsc aspirants out there..may be government will pay some heed ❤❤
These brightest minds has been ruling India for last 75 years..Many of these burecrats never stood up to the currupt politicians and so the fate of India after 75 years..
Passing an exam does not mean that you have the brightest mind.
Seeing atleast 3 of my friends fall prey to this frenzy, I'm happy for this episode of CTC.
Sir The remuneration is not salary but , Life of a champion throughout Life, few of the topper charge in Thousands of Dollars 💵 per day, through out lifetime as speaker and career without any serious liability.
Out Of Lakhs These Are Few Intelligent People Who Got Selected Finally. 😕
Process for selection should be similar to that of the Armed Forces, the candidates must go through a SSB type selection process.
No of chances should be reduced.
The reason why most of the people go for these jobs is because they think they can sit and earn money without any hard work once they get the job. One cannot do that in IT sector.
That shows your mental level you think bureaucrats don't work and just seat and earn money
@@shubhamkumarjha4469 are you saying most of them are honest and don't take bribes?
@@yenaremadun7184 Any Bureaucrat corrupt or not, do work hard.
Many times their hard work is not for the better life of their fellow citizens but for themselves.
Any IAS organising a Wedding for MP/ Minister is actually working very hard for his own promotion, not his constituents.
This shows your absolute lack of awareness and GK. Maybe prepare for UPSC 😂
I disagree they do it for showoff of power n bribes.
I see people saying that job at Goldman Sachs is a cushy job but in reality it's very hectic and sometimes underpaid. It's the JP Morgan one that you should aspire for.
UPSC CSE should be limited to two attempt max. It will reduce the intensity of exam due to less competition. further, government should take measure to promote people from departmental services rather than appointing IAS as departmental head - to reduce the charm of UPSC and prevent youth wasting their best years
Mr Gupta,Nomura Upgraded it's India prediction to 7%+,IMF just upgraded it's India growth to 7.8%, for FY 23-24, But You discussed their initial predictions of Nomura's-5.5% growth,IMF's-5.9% Growth for India in FY 2023 As India's Growth Rate for 2023-24 is again about to Beat all expections by nearing 8% at a Time of Global Uncertainty
Upper and Upper middle class already moved on from this high risk, low reward system.
Middle class is also rethinking before wasting time.
Number of attempts must cut down to half across all categories.
Do an episode about the IMA demand for a separate Indian Medical Services Cadre
Maximum 5 attempts for SC ST and a maximum of 3 attempts for all others is a solution.
The issue raised by you are so much important. The system is so much against General category students. 0.078% out of which 50% are reserved & then we have general category. Imagine the odds. The system itself is a punishment. It's high time the Parents & Kids themselves analyzed what are their options. Is there data available a. How many from different caste groups make the attempt? b. How many do well & how many just miss the bus? c. What's there caste breakup? Point is these same kids can get a much better job in the market. If you speak to any business owner their only concern as on today is how to get a suitable talent. Many who are available are not hirable.
I lost my 5 critical years in banking exams and left with nothing as per private sectors
I have given 3 and eventually become a po
@@shubhamrawat1654 that was great I miss by 2 marks in rbi assistant grade exam , but sure it's wast I think it was great that you cleared but you have no idea how private firm treat us
@@green4992 yeah . Chakra hai. Panch varshiya yojana hai.once you clear exams, you have the confidence to clear tougher exams ahead. Das said that no bright mind person will be serving in PSU banks for long term
I was thinking if all this topper worship helps anyone. I feel this system needs to be dismantled. IAS needs to be recruited based on domain experience by the states they have to serve. Thus central control of civil servants needs to stop.
Agreed.. but its not the fault of coaching mafia.they are just making a business out of an opportunity. The civil services 23:40 were created by the british in a way where the government trains the recruits and tells them what and how to do. What we need now is people who know how to do a job who would then be recruited for their experience and knowledge so that they can do that job for the government. That’s when this system will change
More research required
What is the background ? Home background. What happens to them. How many are already employed. Relations between prelims marks and main marks . Those who qualify for mains, what is their previous attempt scores etc
I think people who appear for CSE have made their peace with the cut-throat competition, and nothing else cause much problem to them than the way CSAT is evolving every year making it the biggest concern. 2023 exam was enough to say that IIT students definitely have an edge over non-technical background students at the very first stage..
Everyone targeting upsc but no one thinking on route cause. Why so many student go for upsc or sarkari job to be precise ? The answer is that private jobs pay penny, hard to switch jobs and often the skill the ask are not taught. U can abolish upsc but if pvt sector job quality does not improve people will just prepare for other sarkari jobs.
Mr. Sekhar Gupta i am post graduate from one of India's top university, qualified to be assistant professor, but unemployed since 4 years that's why preparing for this exam. I will quit now if you provide me job according to my degree and there are many more people like me. So, don't beat around the bush as you always do and you should also become member of that political party to whom you always try to defend instead of doing propoganda journalism.
Unnecessary lengthy CTC for a small subject. First time SG keeps in repeating same things most of the time.
If they are paid so low, what attracts so many people to this job then? What are the incentives? My eyes have tears on seeing so many people with burning desire to 'serve the country'.
And my arse bleeds for such hypocrites
In JEE, the not selected Students' efforts don't go waste, as it will enhance their knowledge level in the same Engineering subjects, with which they can try to get selected in other top Engineering Colleges (in which case the not selected Students are not wasting their preparation for JEE).
Lakhs Of Quality Job's Are Less In India Especially If You Don't Have Good Professional Degree. 😕
While glorifying Modi for trying to introduce lateral entry to Civil service cadre you are also aware that Modi brought this system not for any administrative reforms but for infiltrating RSS people into the governing system. We can understand your constraints.
Civil servants should all be chosen from the private sector. UPSC is an incredible waste of time and talent.
My father wanted me to prepare for the UPSC black hole. I chose to start my own business instead. Couldn't be happier.
I think from afar that UPSC preparation in itself builds a strong opinionated and well informed person.. i am sure it can be a good hiring area for journalists or podcasts or RJs or somebody who can make it big on social media with these competencies
It's unfortunate how obsessed we've become with external validation (especially in India), believing that only by clearing UPSC or securing a government job will we gain respect in society. I fail to comprehend this craze. There are numerous noble jobs with decent pay that we shouldn't be ashamed of. Many youngsters have fallen into this trap, but I sincerely wish for them to recognize their skills and focus accordingly. It would greatly benefit their well-being, allowing them to unleash their full potential.
Critical issue for debate and examination. Multiple factors attract candidates towards civil services, some of them social, some aspirational and others economic. Govt needs to study carefully. Reduced number of attempts may be a low hanging fruit but better alternatives must exist that can prevent loss of many many productive years of life of an individual who after their last attempt is left without any hope of a job at a much later stage in life, without reduction in attractiveness of a civil service career.
IAS cadre will resist outsiders entering their domain as joint secretaries.
Coaching Industry thrives because our Education system, particularly our Schooling system has failed us
I have one question for Sanjiv Sanyal, why is he working for GOI as Economic Advisor (equivalent to Secretary) instead of becoming Elon Musk or Ambani? Why his words and actions are different?
Sanjiv Sanyal have amazing degrees, he should show people how to built business! Why to work as BABU and saying people should not prepare for similar job?
a) you dont need GREAT degrees to build business. You need those degrees only to be a BABU or for immigration. b) Sanjeev was only trying to pep up the aspirants and youth to be bold and instead of resorting to USPC and other BABU jobs, do what comes to self naturally - poet/ sports/ podcasters etc. Nothing wrong in what he said and its a fact that todays India is different from the 80s when govt jobs were the default and mostly a CULTURAL choice .
People like you always twist the statments of wise people! He hasn't advised people not to prepare for civils!!!But lakhs of people wasting their prime time where the probability of selection is only 0.7% is foolish...And important thing is, civils preperation is not a skill which would otherwise benefit them...Complete waste of everything for 99% of folks unless you are into coaching profession😂
He's working in the government because he's an economist. And he isn't a typical Babu. He's employed on a deputation to the PMO, whereas before & after that he was & will be a pvt human resource. Get your head out of your ass.
Sanjeev Sanyal has not wasted 4-5 years of his youthful life to work for government..That's the precise topic of discussion..Not him or anyone else being a Babu or becoming one!!
Sir, the most important point (which you also mentioned is) if someone leaves their private sector job to prepare for UPSC for more than 3 years. They are now back nearly to being a fresher for the private Industry (that too only if they somehow retained a fraction of the skills they gained earlier when they were in their job). Everything that is studied for UPSC and other govt. exams, is for the most part, useless for a private job. (I am not saying one shouldn't study current affairs or history, just that studying them will likely not get a you a well paying job).
Sir,
Just a point. NCC C certificate no longer gives any advantage in the selection of officers in the Defense services
You do get direct ssb option. That is a big advantage
Most of them spend time thinking they will compensate after getting job
There should be max 2/3 chances irrespective of cast religion
Thank you for taking up this topic for the betterment of our younger generation
I think sir you are wrong when you says that no one succeed without coaching. In fact majority of those who makes it to final list are ones who have not joined coaching for foundation. They join but only for test series which don't cost much now a days.
Also, IAS for administration of government at district level totally not needed. It only make central government control of state government and prevents creativity. It's ok for all central government administration to have these officers, but IAS should not be at state district working level. States should have agencies with civil sevents recruited by the agency and rise up the ladder with experience and studies within the agencies. That will make them better administrators and also give states more power than appointing a guy spent studying history for 10 years for an exam and all of a sudden appointed to do the central government administration at state district level and approving land related works etc..
Just get rid of UPSC IITs exams all together, waste of time.
No age limit should not be decreased. Otherwise people from less financial background will never reach there,people from poor backgroud get their first job in 23-24 and with job it take 2-3 year to prepeare and minimu 3 attempt should be given so gen age should not be reduced by 30..no one force any one to come
Ave limit should be retirement age
UPSC is not the toughest exam in India. IITJEE is perhaps the toughest. Don't count the number of candidates who appeared but look at who are the candidates. Anyone who is a BA pass attempts UPSC.
Truth. JEE will always be the toughest
Well, we have similar odds in every other thing in India due to population. But people still do it and find their way to the top. So, whatever keeps you moving, you keep doing it!
Sanyal sees upsc as a waste of time but keeps his mouth shut when it comes to "selling pakodas" !!! What a classical example of hypocrisy!! And it appears that "the print" is also advancing his agenda only !! Choose your sides wisely "the print" . We students are not idiots . It might be merely a job for you . But for some people "serving the nation " is their dream !! Please respect 🙏🏻
Those “dreams” can waste your life forever. You will be capable for nothing if you fail. The quality of life and burden on your loved ones would be far worse. So Beware!
good joke. you guys are there to serve your pockets and occassionally politicians. an IAS is a glorified secretary. in any normal functioning democracy they would not have 10% the powers and priviliges they have in india.
That's the entire point. Serving the nation shouldn't be a 'dream'. It should be a voluntary choice. No wonder the nation is unable to grow because service to the nation is trapped in only 1 dream.
Even Pakoda sellers are making min. 1000 ₹ per day unlike unemployed UPSC aspirants. There us nothing wrong with Pakoda sellers at least they are independent and running their own business unlike living on parents money.
Oh for fucks sake. What serving the nation. Isn't a clerk, an isro scientist, an honest professor, a street vendor, the janitor in hospital, a sewage cleaner, an entrepreneur serving the nation. It's just a wet dream of a feudal society like us. India will not produce an Elon Musk in a thousand years.
Considering 60% are freebies realistically its only the first 30% or so who are really worked for it. The 60-70% meritorious candidates are the true national loss 😢
The worst problem is that entry to UPSC is seen as the final prize, but if you see it from the country's perspective, it's a first step. Now that officer must use his high intelligence, knowledge of core subjects, and understanding of social issues and perform far better than a normal person. But that hardly happens.
In a situation where most kids when surveyed in school said they wanted to be a "RUclipsr"... And here the biggest concern seems to be middle class people trying to chase their dreams; maybe, just maybe we've got our priorities misaligned.
We can't really control social values, much less this structure of bureaucratic state when the responsibility of getting anything done rests in the end on these people. No wonder bright people even with high paying salaries in ivory towers wanna become IAS officers & be the one to be able to affect real social changes.
Though, I agree the present system has created a sad and miserable rabbit hole with a lot of talented people sinking a lot of years, falling into depression and being unproductive.
Such discourses are indeed important; especially with Coaching Mafias selling a borderline delusional dream to poor or naive people from rural backgrounds.
Ehh, fine, it's a fair point. Maybe it's hard for me to listen criticism leveled against the precise dream I'm chasing; especially when I am aware of the following the ground realities:
1. The dream definitely ain't as rosy as literally all the coaching institutes and most lay people think. (My parents are in services so I know better than putting these services on a pedestal.)
2. It's unpredictable, unforgiving and a woefully violent reality masquerading as a dream.
3. It's getting progressively harder with increased access, increased aspirations and blasphemous marketing by coaching institutes; as the jobs are getting less lucrative with increased compartmentalisation and reduced discretion.
4. If this stufd doesn't pan out; I'll be left with a life sized hole in my early twenties and a death sized trauma to carry for the rest of my disappointed existence.
India has too much bureaucracy without accountability as long as they serve their masters well they remain in power
I don’t understand why we do these kind of exams every year instead of every month like SAT or IELTS.
Talk more about solutions not only just problems
The problem with our country is we have fixed timelines for success (Definition of success itself is difficult on top of it we fix timelines), if an individual is said to have wasted 4-5 years of his/ her time for an exam then becoming an entrepreneur/ researcher requires more patience and additional heavy monetary burden more than UPSC. Chances of becoming a officer in UPSC where exams are conducted regularly and we have decent idea of syllabus and support makes it more appealing than taking a risky route of entrepreneurship and research. Only if we change our mindset about taking risk we can bring change, but in a majority middle class society it is very difficult but hopefully it will change as we slowly become developed country.
Sir Please make a video on how one can achieve this upsc without coaching and what to follow what can be the approach
The number of attempts is a really good discussion. The many attempts as an option one gets results in loss of time and productive people to economy. Not just upsc but so many such exams have resulted in less skilled Indians professionally and indirectly impacting the unemployment numbers.
Wonderful discussion on an important topic. Time to introspect.