How does power corrupt good people? A Story of Salience
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- How does power corrupt? This video argues that salience framing is behind the relationship between power and corruption.
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A funny sign of corruptibility at a lower level, is an employee who is used to taking public buses climbs up the corporate ladder and gets his first cool SUV, how he unintentionally begins to look down on the mortals standing at the bus stops.
Power corrupts, and power also attracts the already corrupted.
Power doesn’t necessarily corrupt people, it’s the system that is corrupt. If we had a good system for society, we wouldn’t have these corrupt people in power.
Love both your videos on salient frames - I teach leadership in the corporate world and the salient frames so ignore anything outside the profit motive … it’s harder to introduce concepts outside their frames as you go higher up the chain …. Thanks for the models and language to help me with my influence skills
People change their environment and the values that come with it.
Think you might want to check out Brian Klaas
Corruptible: Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us, or his Big Think talk. His point is that power attracts “corrupt” people and there is often few mechanisms to screen them out. While the salience model provides an explanation - it doesn’t account for the cases where leadership is not corrupt which sometimes occurs.
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Thanks for the video. My follow-up question would be: How to avoid "corrupted" bosses in the first place? How to select an employer with these observations in mind?
The most simple analysis is the pyramidal mechanism, in french, : "Sélection, Ségrégation, Exclusion, Extermination" the opposite of, in french : "Liberté Egalité, Fraternité" ; "Liberty Equality, Fraternity". The pyramidal process is holder than the egyptian pyramid ? It's difficult to say because of the "hen and egg" paradox : which is the oldest ?
Thank you for the thought provoking video! I would say that power is a highly addictive stimulant that (as with any drug) makes you want more and more of it. On the functional level, as a “boss,” you are automatically assigned a role or a function within a hierarchically organized system (full of opponents) that is contradictory to you as a person. In some sense, you have to compete with your “public” function that involves rules you have to play by like lying, deception, hypocrisy, etc. in order to stay in power.
this a god argument for having an alternate pathway to higher leadership positions that do not involve climbing a long ladder, maybe a lottery system, or having a leadership position that is rotate automatically amongst people who have a certain level of relevant experience
Prior to watching the clip ~ I would say power corrupts, but more significantly, power attracts those who are already corrupt, or who are easy prey for corruption. The sort of person who is not susceptible to corruption, is not drawn to power. Power is intoxicating and desirable, to those who would misuse it. Dracula would very much want to be put in charge of the blood bank, and would take extreme steps if necessary, to get that job. It wasn't the job that gave him a thirst for blood, it was the thirst for blood that drew him to that job in the first place.
So before actually watching a video, you felt the need to comment on it?.. and completely miss the point of the video, which is likely to happen if you don't watch it first.
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I'd say our John here at one point starts caring more about being the top guy rather than being the good guy. A good guy would not think "I guess I don't have to be good all the time if that will get me to the top". Therefore, I would argue the title "how does power corrupt good people" is not exactly appropriate enough, as the desire to be top was a more defining characteristic of our John here.
EDIT: also you renamed him to Joe half way :D
Another problem is that he keeps thinking he's a good guy while changing to some degree what he does.
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This is interesting, presenting a mechanism by which a person can be led to corrupt behavior, perhaps most people in these circumstances would be tempted. It doesn’t remove personal responsibility for one’s behavior. It does make me wonder what can be changed to mitigate this effect.
I think its more about having power giving you the ability to be an asshole, same as money. When youre broke/powerless, you can't afford to be an asshole even if you really want to (provided that you're rational enough to realize this and have enough self control to keep yourself from being an asshole), once you're in charge the only thing keeping you in check is yourself
you know why they get corrupted? i'll tell you. it's because they don't get punished with a solid punch.
I like this video a lot because it tells how the system can cripple people even when at the beginning everyone starts as good and benevolent. But through hard times and hard decisions and traumas and PTSD the smallest personality faults can accumulate.
my impression is that in hierarchical systems the people who aspire for climbing the hierarchy, to begin with, are just set on winning or acquiring and exhibiting superiority and such stuff from the start ...
so a person who is altruistic and is set on climbing to power is kinda inconsistent ... at least being altruistic wouldn't be their most salient characteristic, because it's just inconsistent with having whatever power over other people .. cause exercising power means breaking people's will .. if people were already doing what you imagine they should be doing you wouldn't need to exercise power...
and i think there's research that says that in a large enough hierarchical system, given enough time, the top always gets occupied by psychopaths...
people might become psychopaths on their way to power but more often, i think, it's a result of an early trauma ... they just somehow come to associate self worth with the ability to exercise power over others, very early in their life ...
Power-seeking is a convergent instrumental goal to facilitate effective altruism.
@@howtoappearincompletely9739 totally the wrong way to look at it ... while it is indeed consistent with the dominant narrative .... all our politicians just want so much to do us all good that they just have to win the elections ... my fat bulgarian ass alright .. nobody believes those fables anymore...
marx's analysis is still valid .. in the context of real domination of the logic of the market in all aspects of social life the lust for political power cannot be an exception .. no matter the retroactive justifications
i believe that POWER SEEKING is one of the main emergent behaviors they watch for with AI.. weird it doesn't raise red flags with humans 🚩🚩🚩
Not bad. The concept is hard to explain if you've never slipped into corruption yourself. Most of corruption is not even corruption, just life being complicated and full of possible bad paths. Incompetence should be considered before malevolence. And faced with someone else's incompetence, one should wonder if they truly would do better or not.
It's kind of a side note but can something be "removed" from salience by its presence? For example, I've noticed people who drive take for granted that ability meanwhile I am constantly made aware of that fact I can't drive.
I finally understand Saliencezzz 😊 just joking, great video!
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Sadly, it feels like the Joe/Johns are going extinct. Why'd his name change halfway through the video?
Would be interesting to see this segue into a convo about hierarchies, externalities and incentives.
Hmmmn. Pretty good video. Alot of people like to sh*t on elites and how they run & manage things. But I think running things is a hard job. Example: Once both my supervisors were ordered to go to a meeting. I was chosen to be incharge in their absence. My damn coworkers were taking my orders as a kida joke, even to a point I felt they were sabotaging our work. Insubortination. I pretty much had to threaten them with a write up to get them TO DO THEIR WORK AS NORMAL. Nothing extra. REGULAR WORK LOAD. I could imagine being a politician, leader, CEO, manager, etc. Having more of these kind of "acting up" & disapproving, when its not their place to disapprove nor is it their company etc... Political administrations is kinda similar IMO. Lastly, I think being Indifference, evil, imcompetence, weak, and just the way the/a system is structured etc are similar in alots of ways & seperate/different in other ways. I think that #Bad_Faith & #Sabotage enhances the bad elements of controlling, managing & maintaining broader shared goals & soundness. People think (or act like) that doing what elites do is easy. Its not... I will give elites atleast some credit. Anyone claiming elites are acting in bad faith should come with the evidence of such IMO. Prove their "evil" or "unfair" "unjust" etc. "undue harming" etc
That's because those leaders are selfish and probably punitive. The fish rots from the head down and upper management doesn't usually notice until it hits the bottom line. Managing people is difficult when you don't include them in the decision making process.
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Her About page on RUclips channel says she is an economics professor. What more do you need to know?