As a Czech, the reason why Czechs only have 30% of the televote is most likely because of the czech viewership of ESC being absolutely abysmal, partly due to ČT's own fault. Back in 2020, Czechs had 50% of the televote and they unanimously voted for Benny Christo not because they liked his song, but because Benny is famous and he probably just shared the voting link on his socials. Same with 2022 - Czech televote winner was the only mainstreamelly known pair. I support us only having 30% of the telebote because objectively, the czech televoters themselves do not give a damn about our song.
Interesting. In Finland Eurovision and the national selection UMK are a really big thing. As an example, on Sunday after Eurovision 4 first news headlines on the biggest national quality newspaper website were about Eurovision (with later down many more).
@@dobryden.6241 Ok, so Finland has 5,6 mil citizens, 2 mil watched EV in 2022; Czechia has 10,5mil and 135k watched EV. Just by watching the national finals, you can see, the difference in eurovision popularity.
The “panslavism” sentiment has different undertones to Czechs. Brotherhood or sisterhood can exist within borders and sovereign nations. It’s what we did in splitting with Slovakia.
yea. just like me and my brothers are very distinct and seperate people, despite the brotherly bond. why would that not work for metaphorical siblings?
I don't understand why this channel doesn't have 500k subscribers already. Pure gold in the script, the content, the editing, the delivery... Thank you to the creators!
Maybe because ESC bubble just want to listen to the music and have fun. TV viewers would be more interested in the background, but they don't look at the Internet beforehand. Therefore, it is just the few thousand fans who would like to have the background of some songs summarized.
Eh, this pan-slavism thing. People are missing the context. It is Czechia. That used to be Czechoslovakia. The most amicable country split in history. We can be brothers with Sovaks because we are INDEPENDENT.
Only those who are in unwarranted position of power and control are ones who have troubles with idea of independence as they themselves are unable to think independently as they are slaves to the system of power that they are trying to maintain.
That's the thing! Putin is saying: "We are one", while the good pan-slavism is saying (or at least, should say): "We are independent siblings". Because yeah, that's the point - we can be bound by common languages, cultures, traditions; but don't have to be by legislative or border means.
@@artistbervucci1716well that's neo-slavism read about it, and I think it's 100x better than pan slavism, but in general it's unity of Slavic people but still with individual countries culture's something like more cooperation between Slavic countries
Excellent analysis of "My Sister's Crown." I would like to see an analysis of Austria's "Who the Hell is Edgar." Among the items I would like you to cover are the role of Edgar Allan Poe in the song and the point that Teya and Salena are making through the lyrics.
I really love this song and I'm glad it was chosen. But btw I think I need to clarify something about Poland's entry in 2014 with 'We are Slavic'. I would think people have realised by now but seems like not really: this song, its video and presentation are an IRONY. In the Polish version of the MV there is even a message about it at the start. It's making fun of people sexualising Slavic women but at the same time it's about Slavic women embracing the power they hold over their image. The fact that this entry had such high score in voting plus the outrage at the performance only shows how easily people will buy into the superficiality.
It was clearly a satire on the Slavic fetish/stereotype when the song was released, as was the whole album of Donatan "My Słowianie" is part of. However, for the Eurovision staging and messaging they went full into the stereotype and shown over-sexualised chicks on the stage. There was nothing ironic about it any more. Have they kept the satirical character of it, I'd be more supportive of this song. They didn't, and it turned pure cringe for me.
The eurovision staging and performance didn't seem satirical anymore... more like clickbait for some cheap/east votes... Kinda like a rapper using over sexualized women shaking their butts in their music videos rapping about female empowerment 😅
"Russkiy mir" is completely different from pan-Slavism. On many occasions pan-Slavism was discussed between Southern and Western Slavs without any special importance given to Russia. I do have a feeling of Slavic brotherhood, but I see them all as equal. If anything, for me personally, Russians are the last who come to mind in this pan-Slavic vision because they are already huge and a global player. Most other Slavic nations have been sidelined throughout history and that is precisely why this idea of greater mutual cooperation, or even political unity, has emerged. Certainly not to make ourselves subordinate to another country like Russia.
@@drakulkacz6489 зачем разделять страны на национальности? Россия очень многонациональная страна. Тот образ России, который создаётся европейской пропагандой, ужасен. С 1991 года моя страна открыла свою душу, но вокруг все плевали в неё. Смеялись над Ельциным, издевались над нашими спортсменами. Ваши правительства подло отрезали нам крылья, решив, что наше место в рамках нашего болота. Это образ Малифисенты. Вы ее ещё почувствуете.
The image of Russia isn't terrible, even still. And from the 90's it wasn't (I can only remember somewhere around '94-'95 earliest, so...) Was better for a while, actually, after the soviet collapsed. But image of the current Russian leadership is terrible, I admid that. But image of russians themselves, it's not that bad. Ah, it has it's good and bad, but so do our all images in sight of others. 🤷♀️
As a person who absolutely adores multilingual music, I have to say that this song is right up my valley. I’ve learned about the concept of Panslavism in school, mainly through the history of Slovakia, so the idea wasn’t new to me. I’m trying to be politically active and all of Russia’s actions worry me, and my heart constantly goes out to all the people suffering due to Russia’s evil government (yes, even Russians, even though many of them have given me a reason to hate them). After all, Vesna sings “there is no place in hate in our sea”, and I wish Russia could open its eyes and see that we do not want to hate her, but she’s not giving us a choice. This song is the manifestation of my thoughts regarding my fellow slavic nations - I wish we all could be friends, that we could prosper in a mutually beneficial relationship, that Slovakia could be everyone’s friend, but I see that my sister’s sovereignty, Ukraine’s sovereignty, is being taken away from her, and I wish to protect her. I’m very happy this song exists, and I’m even happier that it gets to appear on Eurovision. I couldn’t be more proud of Czechia right now! 💛💙
@@overthinkingit im Brazilian, living in Switzerland, married to a Dutch guy. I usually love the songs from Portugal because they are always in Portuguese (and to be fair, they send good artists). So I’m always divided. But I don’t know, I can’t believe I’m saying it out loud, so far this year Germany won my heart lol! If you could cover any of these countries would be AMAZING. :) thank you for the great videos and the superb research you guys do!
i'm not sure if it was intended (it definitely could've been) but the visual metaphor of the guys being dressed in a light purple colour was the first thing that clued me into them representing Russia. the colours of the russian flag are red, blue and white, when you mix them together, you get light purple.
What a good analysis! As Ukrainian, I really like that song (one of my favorites this year) and that's sad that good intentions by Vesna members were misunderstood. I was also suspicious about them until I found their interview on BBC.
i think especially the attacks on the russian member are disturbing. anti-putin russians should be supported. she risked her freedom in order to protest the invasion. it doesn't make sense to hate her for what she stands against i know few russian speaking ukranians (i work with refugees sometimes) who 100% identify as ukranian and oppose the invasion. but they have told me they get attacked by other refugees for their language. it's important to remember that speaking russian does not at all mean you support putin
I've been on quite a binge through your channel today so I might have left this exact comment already, can't remember, by I cannot thank you enough for representing such high quality media analysis on youtube! Your historical and cultural sensitivity coupled with the way you dare to bring up genuine deep cutting interpretation is incomparable.
If we're talking requests for future episodes, Samo Mi Se Spava seems like a natural pick. It's oozing with symbolism and Luke Black has been collaborating with Konstrakta too. The mixing of androgyny with apocalyptic industrial music seems also very novel for Eurovision.
2:30 The Polish song is actually called My Słowianie (Us Slavs - yes, the vid only shows women, perhaps dealing with a phenomenon known as "generic masculinum" - the fact that in most Slavic languages, some professions and most nations use the male grammatical gender (most Slavic languages use 3 genders - male (also differing between animate and inanimate), female and neutral).
Thank you. As a Czech, I thought this song would have more international success, not just because of politics but because it's good. But of course, they wouldn't let Czechs win
You know.... same old same old. Women empowerement bad, Ukraine being everywhere annoying, woke songs are cancer. Online it was popular and then people began to get butthurt over the fact that the political song for the political competition is political...
I think it's just wasn't that different to shine through (songwise). I liked it, but it wasn't one of my favourites. Didn't know any politics beforehand, and I don't think it actually is a "women empowerment song", not in any activist way anyway. Sisterhood, crowns, long plated hair, protecting others, intriguing melody, Idk, was quite nice? My sister said she liked it 😄 I liked Albania, Portugal, Norway, Netherlands perhaps?, Finland (yes, but I'm biased). The orange lady and the one with the flute solo. Iceland maybe? In my opinion there was many great songs this year, and in some way, they are all already winners. Even the ones that I didn't get to attach to 😉
Hi, Im from the Netherlands. I was schocked, really schocked that they got only 10th place. I really likes the song itself, I didnt know it was about slavicsupport or Ukraine support, I thought it was about sisterhood and woman standing together. I loved the message and the way it was presented and the videoclip as wel as live performence... I dont know what the reason of low place was, but I see it more often. That standard (generic?) songs that is just another pop song is so popular but had no unique or representing their country/culture . It could be from anywhere.. My favourite usually dont go in top 5. I still listen to the song, it is very sad and bad that these band had so much critique even threats made against them...😘 from Amsterdam
The controversy around this song is so bizarre to me. It's like such a blatantly obvious pro-ukraine message, yet the fact that it's also about pan slavism somehow makes people put on their blinders and completely ignore every other part of the song
Imagine making an anti-war song in 1942 and saying something about pan-German brotherhood. You know, the literal excuse for World War 2. It's also suspect of grift. Laibach literally had their Kyiv concert canceled because of less touchy statements.
@@KasumiRINA That's not the same though. There's plenty of other slavic countries that aren't Russia or Belarus, while in 1942 there's only one Germany, unless you meant to say pan-germanism, then your statment still wouldn't really work cause there are more than one germanic countries. The song's meaning in the pan slavism aspect is not to literally make one nation out of all slavic speaking countries, but to just have a sister/brotherhood, so the same would be sung in this hypothetical 1942 pan germanism song. The problem is that some people are stupid and don't think or learn before they speak of something and others just join in.
1. Modern Ukrainian national symbols DON'T have any crowns. While Russian does. Russian coat of arms, for example. A crown would be first of all associated with russia. 2. Pan slavism sounds very cool at first thought. If you ignore historical context. The context - russia used ideas of pan slavism in a twisted way to justify its imperialism. In russian meaning of pan slavism - russian nation must rule all the slavs. It's not about equality at all. 3. The idea of "brotherly" (sisterly?) nations became sickening to Ukrainians. As mentioned above, russia used it to justify its imperialism. And in modern days - to erase Ukrainian identity and language. It goes like this - ukrainians are (smaller) brothers of russians -> ukrainians and russians the same -> so ukrainian culture belongs to russia -> so ukrainians dont even exist they just some smaller russians -> Ukraine must be part of russia I'm very glad that Czechs weren't victims of this brotherhood/sisterhood for last 300 years. But as a result - they created message that is way out of touch and offensive to Ukrainians
@@Daniluk05 I understand Ukrainian feelings towards this, but when the song is THAT obvious in supporting them and just wishing all the best by expressing that ukraine is seen as family and that they're here to be by their side? Like at that point i feel like they're just fearful out of paranoia, in which case they should listen to the author and those who created the song, but the thing is they either don't or choose to listen, but still make up their own lies to believe, so at that point sorry, but it's because of their choices that they perceive a wholesome song dedicated to support them in a negative way. Like I think this can be similar to a toxic boyfriend saying i love you to manipulate you and an actual caring person saying the same thing, just so you could know that you're appretiated. Some ukrainians are just rushing to hate everything that even slightly reminds them of russia, which tbh is toxic from their side. It's the same situation like in WW2 when the whole world demonized the german people even tho a big amount of them were even against Hitler's actions and weren't part of the SS. It baffles me how humans fail to learn from history.
@wulfgar6465 it wasn't "THAT" obvious. Many people were unsure what the message was about until the authors posted a detailed explanation on social media. As I said, mainly because of symbolism that is not understood in Ukraine. You really need to do some digging to understand it by yourself if you don't know the language and what the symbols are supposed to mean. It's not surprising that many ukrainians just didn't get it.
I think that there’s another part worth mentioning: over the years all Czech supporters of Putin used Czech flag on their profiles. In autumn 2022 a movement “take the flag back” started and anti-Russian people started using it because the state symbols shouldn’t be icky to anyone pro-European while the Czech symbols are used only in combination with Russian symbols. It created a lot of uproar among the pro-Russian crowd. Through this lense I see Vesna’s pan-slavic message as “taking it back” too. Because there’s still the message of love and support.
Very interesting, all Bulgarian supporters of Putin use the Bulgarian flag on their profiles. I guess they're a couple of year behind on the Russian propaganda...
Yo this is such a good explanation of the song, like damn i didn’t know it was that deep. At first i thought the video was kinda weird, but you explained it really well! Please make more videos
I am from Russia and I really like your analysis. I will not be able to fully understand the pain of Ukraine. When the Serbs call us brothers, it doesn't hurt me. For obvious reasons. Although I have always had a question, who exactly from Russia should be considered "brothers". Our country is multinational. "Russian" as a citizen and "Russian" as a nationality are two different things (I use a translator and I don't know how to convey this in another language). My mother is Russian by nationality, my father has mixed blood of several ethnic groups of the Soviet space. I was raised by my mother, and I have always lived in the western part of Russia. I always felt more Russian by nationality. We have a lot of mixed blood and different nationalities. And the Russians are among them. For some people in Russia, "brothers" is a manipulation and a way to subjugate others. For people like me, "brother" is a sign of respect. Too bad it's become an insult now. And it’s a pity that even girls not from Russia got a minus for this. I don't agree with our policy and I don't like the war we started.
Ok some additional points about the pan-slavism, if I may. I am no expert but I did do a good bit of reading on the intended message of the song around the time escz happened and also I took some uni courses, have learned several slavic languages in uni courses and in general have been doing some reading on the topic in recent years. All this to say while this should be taken with a grain of salt, I do feel quite confident in this. So firstly on the origins of pan-slavism. During the 19th century the east and south-east of Europe were mostly ruled by three empires fighting for dominance. The Ottoman empire, the Russian empire and the Habsburg monarchy. All of these knew that there is one thing that is pure poison to an empire. And that thing is nationalism. And so all three did the logical thing and funded nationalist movements in the other two Empires as well as in disputed areas. Now Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman empire had to resort to like regular old nationalism. Like 'hey, you guys want to be your own country and not subject to your evil leaders anymore? We think you're right. Here you have money, weapons and anything else you might need.' You know the drill. The Russian empire however? Well they had a secret magic argument! For the Russian empire it was a huge advantage that in the area we are talking about a lot of slavic people were living. So for that empire specifically it made sense to go 'why look. we're all slavic. shouldn't we all live together in a big slavic state? In happiness and peace? where all those evil oppressors can't get to you anymore? We think so too. Who should be leading that state? Well I have a revolutionary idea which you will LOVE!'. Now the reasons for the wish for pan-slavicism at the time were very much real. It's is fully an ideology that made sense for slavic revolutionaries at the time to buy into. And even many years later. In many ways even now. However. iirc even at the time this idea of 'we should just all join the Russian empire and live happily ever after' was not entirely popular. But regardless of the wider reception, within Russian government circles this idea of 'we should be the ones leading the Slavic people to salvation' solidified. Time went on. WWI happened. Russia had a revolution. A communist one. A political framework that technically wants people to live happily and in harmony and that puts human rights first. However the plentiful minorities in the former Russian empire very soon were to find out that it was more of a 'freedom for me but not for thee' type of deal, cue several genocides and also WWII. Another situation in which (despite being very much one of the countries that started it mind you) the Soviet Union was able to say 'look at us! Protectors of the people!' and East of Germany there are mostly slavic people. So naturally pan-slavicism became part of soviet propaganda in the eastern block. And at the center of it the soviet union. The protectors of Slavic people from the evil west. And throughout the following years you could see quite well what happened if you didn't entirely agree with that line of thinking. In 1968 the prague spring happened. The people of czechoslovakia decided they wanted to have more freedoms. Be maybe a bit more like the west. And in return the on-paper 'allies' of Czechoslovakia showed up on their doorstep with tanks. Many years later the soviet union fell apart just as the eastern block. Russia is finding itself more and more isolated. If one were poetic one might say a dying empire grasping at straws. And what straws does it grasp at? A fun mix of 'Oh the evil west is poisoning our subjects .. I mean (former) allies' minds against us!' and 'well really I mean we are all slavic brothers and sisters here! we should get along! we're best friends, see? Don't mind all genocides and invasions and political undermining we've done against your people or at the very least that we've supported. We're best buddies!!!' Ending once again on a wonderful note of (excuse my German) 'und bist du nicht willig so brauch ich Gewalt!' (and if you're not willing I shall use force). With the invasion of Ukraine. An empire always tries first to use soft power (eg culture) before it uses hard power (eg war) and at the moment Russia has seemingly very much given up on the soft-power approach. Anyways. Yes, the song uses pan-slavism. But it is a song that recognises the fact that even though it can definitely be a useful ideology Russia and its predecessors have been using it to further the goals of its empire since the ideology was first thought of. And often at the expense of other Slavic people who have suffered under the liberation they were promised especially since WWII. Many Slavic nations are to this day battling with Russia trying very hard to meddle in their affairs. Eg a few years ago a weapons' warehouse blew up in the Czech Republic which was later confirmed to have been the work of Russian spies. Other things include cyber attacks on critical infrastructure etc. And that is of course without talking about Ukraine. This song is truly saying 'fuck you and all the horrible shit you have done to me', invoking the spirit of pan-slavism to make a stand against Russia. To reclaim the ideology for those who have use for it. Saying 'we are having a slavic sisterhood without you. And if you want to be let back in it will be on our terms' Also lines like 'you can take your hands back'. I mean that is clearly meant to be about the war in Ukraine, but the way I understand it it is also very much about all the other influence Russia wants to have on free independent countries. But yes overall I feel like it's not just about Ukraine. It is about all the shit Russia has been trying to pull continually for years now. And also about the need for this support between slavic nations, that also get exploited from the west, which also has shown a complete unwillingness to heed their warnings on the topic. It's a highly political song in all its layers. But it's all politics that are very very relevant. Even if Russia hadn't started a war in Ukraine. And in addition. If you think. That the Czech Republic would send a pro-Russian song to Eurovision you have never talked to a Czech person in your life. And you see the bias of anti-slavicism here. A westerner might be tempted to put this very diverse group of countries in one neat little box labeled 'stupid slavs' and suddenly people are surprised that Mateusz 'so far on the right that I'd punch him without a second thought if I ever met him in real life' Morawiecki is this strongly anti-Russia when he has said himself that he believes Russia is personally responsible for the death of his (grand?)father (I think it was him, it might've been someone else from that clown party). Just unaware, that right-wing = pro-Russia isn't a universal truth. And now we get into anti-slavicism and anti-eastern sentiment in eurovision which is a whole other can of worms for a different day. thank you for reading, have a nice day.
I hope you don't mind if I bookmark this comment and come back to it later when I can address it more fully, because it's really thoughtful and I appreciate you taking the time to share! For now I will just say that I think it's interesting that the historical epoch you yada yada yada over is the one I wish I had addressed in the video: the leadup to WWI and WWI itself. Because in the video as it stands I make it sound like pan-slavism became an historical curiosity in 1848 only to be revived by Vladamir Putin 150 years later. But I bet if you could have a little chat with the dying Archduke Franz Ferdinand, he would have some interesting things to say about whether pan-slavism was a spent force or not. Most of your summary, however, goes beyond WWI into the Soviet era, which is a time I hadn't really considered as relevant to pan-slavism. It seems like you make a convincing case though! After Eurovision is done maybe I'll dig into it a little!
@@overthinkingit Oh yes absolutely. And I didn't mean to make it sound like the leadup to WWI was unimportant to the history of pan-slavism or the other way around, it just wasn't entirely relevant to the point I was trying to make. In my understanding much of the situation in 1914 is the events and ideologies from the mid 19th century going towards their natural conclusion (in this regard), bc at a very fundamental level not that much really changed in that time in the grand scheme of things. As opposed to if you compare the situation to just 5 years later. Especially when you focus on Russian empire/the soviet union. However I do feel that in the grand scheme of things, from a czech perspective, if you look at a critique of pan-slavism, the dealings of the soviet union within the eastern block are far more relevant than anything that came before. At the very least bc it is within living memory.
hi from Czechia 🇨🇿 ! as a Czech born in 1968 and grown in the former Czechoslovakia, I admire your knowledge concerning our history, the real meaning of pan-slavism and the reality of how most of Czechs feel about Russia. Thank you for your time and effort 🙏
Also, "you can take your hands back" also reminds me of how Russia has this habit of claiming they're "helping" the countries they invade. Offering "a helping hand", if you will. It was the same with Czechoslovakia in 1968. They sent tanks in to "help" us.
A rather witty, intelligent analysis. This guy has an amusing way of linking history, music and Slavic sentiment. The only thing he neglects, is the female empowerment. And Vesna is a feminist group. The song has a multi-layered message and is much more than just a protest anti-war song. First of all, I find myself in it as a woman, then as a Slav, and then as a defender of peace. Mostly, the song is directed against patriarchy and male oppression towards women. Why? Because this is very clearly illustrated by both the text and the video. The song very clearly addresses ALL women in the world. Clearly, it does support the Ukrainian struggle, but it also supports female empowerment. For starters, the band is named Vesna, the Slavic pagan goddess of fertility, beauty and spring. The video without the lyrics is already a story per se. The men in the video are very uniformed in their clothes and actions likewise, to show they are pretty much after the same thing: domination and power. First, they snap their teeth as if to bite, then they use their sticks to corner a woman and suffocate her, till she breaks free. The Tv screens on their heads suggest men being both creators and victims of the social media, while the women merely try to get the message. Then there's the part where a man is trying to force-feed the Russian girl with borsch (blood-colored soup), but she opens the mouth and swallows just to show him that she is capable of absorbing much more than he thinks. On the other hand, the girls are dressed very differently from one another, to show each one of them is unique. And yet, they allow each other to be who they are, and still reach harmony in their message. I was mostly striked by the expression of curly -haired dicer with a ring in her nose. She throws red dices to show she is willing to take her chances, and is clearly the Amazon of the entire group. She has that stern glare on her face that says "I dare you to fight me". The fun part is where another girl applies her lipstick, till a man screams to her from the mirror to intimidate her about her looks. For he is the one who will tell her how she should look like. After that, she applies her lipstick abundantly and over the edge, forcing him to disappear into the mirror again. The best part is towards the end where the girls hold their ground by sitting against the wall and singing the chorus, forcing the men in purple suits ( color of imperialist and opressors) to row their sticks backwards. At the very end of the video, men are standing frozen still.
Now to the lyrics. The woman who brings life, not destruction. "My sister won't stand in the corner Nor will she listen to you My sister, wild at heart Will never let you tie her down": this is just about any woman, not just about Ukraine. After all, we all remember Manizha's song Russian woman from 2021. She shares the same message. This is not just a rebellion against Putin, but against all Putins throughout history, who also made sure to keep women aside, as it is clearly represented by the male dancers in the video. "Life's not a moneybag, blood's on your God's head, you can't steal our souls": after the collapse of the Soviet Union, most of the Slavic countries have been going through the re-conservatization of society, which primarily means pushing women out of public space and denying women all the rights, hard won throughout recent history. This is most obvious in Poland, where women have lost the right to freely decide about their own bodies. In the name of a God whose image was created by men, women die also because they do not have the opportunity to freely decide on an abortion, but are victims of the crazy Catholic patriarchy. "You can take your hands back No one wants more boys dead We're not your dolls": while this can surely be understood as a message to Putin, since he's clearly sending his boys to certain death, it can also be understood as a warning to men in general, especially the line "we are not your dolls". Women have been treated like a merchandise and war prize throigh most of human history. In every war, soldiers capture and rape women from the enemy's side as a collateral damage, merely to humiliate the enemy. Women are treated in every conflict like objects who don't have a say, thus the warning: we are not your dolls. "Give me your hand don't be afraid Come swim with your sisters There's no place for hate in our sea": this text includes all women, not just Ukrainians. The choice of languages clearly shows unity of ALL Slavic women (and Russian women are NOT excluded, as we should not hate anyone). And the final message: choose love OVER power. Something all those Putins in purple suits are not capable of. To sum up, a proud Slavic woman wrote that. :)
For Ukrainians, the question of Pan Slavism is not familiar. We hardly use such a concept. During the Soviet Union, the only brotherhood allowed was the union of the three nations of Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians. Still, these nations did not exist simultaneously because "we are all Soviet people". There were no other Slavs in the mythology of the USSR. Therefore, regarding "brotherhood/sisterhood" among Ukrainians (it doesn't matter with whom), the immediate reflex is that somebody will once again impose toxic relations and convince us of our inferiority. I assume the girls did not want to offend but accidentally hit one of the most painful wounds of many Ukrainians.
I love my cousins in language (Spanish Portuguese Romanian French) I don't know if does exist a pan romancism (sic) but, at the end, we are all European. Proudly so.
I think there's an unfortunate cultural clash, because Czechs calling another nation brothers/sisters is kinda one of the highest praise you can give? Like we love to call Slovaks our brothers and it definitely does not mean we want to take over or anything it is usually meant as "See, in this big world where we have so many differences with one another, you my friend feel like family, I see something in you that reminds me of me." It is usually used in a really loving way, it shows our close relationship with one another, it should show the love for shared culture and history we have with each other. So after the war started, I've seen this brotherhood/sisterhood extended for Ukraine to show support, to show that they mean something to us and that we stand behind them. But it is really unfortunate, that the connotation of this is so different for Ukrainians. Honestly if it is such an issue and if so many Ukranians feel like it is offensive being referred to as brothers/sisters, I really do not get how this did not come up during the making of the song, since a Ukranian songwriter took part in the making of the song, maybe if it wasn't so prominently used the reception of the song and the understanding, of what the message of it actually is, would be better.
@@pokomi9141 Yes, it is sad that Ukrainians perceive a good phenomenon as a threat. And I also don't understand why the Ukrainian who helped "Vesna" didn't warn the girls that they were walking on fragile ice with crocodiles under it. Perhaps this Ukrainian has lived for a long time outside the cultural environment of Ukraine (emigrated as a child?) or lived her life and did not pay much attention to politics. Because a knowledgeable person also warned against using clown-like clothing in Ukrainian-related song (Russians in their culture often portray caricature Ukrainians in ridiculous wide pants and red cheeks and girls with artificial flowers in their hair and wide smile). For comparison, it is like "black face" for Ukrainians
@@pokomi9141 It's a kneejerk reaction. putin used the word "brotherly nations" so much since 2014 that we literally associate the word "brother" with being repeatedly raped, tortured and killed. A diminutive of "brothers," "Bratushki", is one of the mockeries we use to refer to russians. Ironically, to clap back. Another is "myshebratia", sounds like mouse-brothers, mocking russian phrase of "but we are brothers", "my zhe bratia". Personally, I didn't get that immediate association with Vesna when watching semi-finals because they only sang "sister," "sestra," which isn't a word russians often use when it comes to describing colonies. And yeah, good they changed clothing to pink tracksuits and Bianca Belair-style braids because the looks of everyone except for Bulgarian girl in the VIDEO, it DOES look like a caricature. There's also the thing that many people in Ukraine DESPISE Slavo-philia as something primitive, and we see "generic matryoshka with red cheeks" look as ultra-nationalistic russian gear deserving of mockery... Imagine Jews seeing someone in SS uniform but The Producers version. You'd pause to process it and then try to process whether someone making fun of them, or legitimately being a Slav neo-Nazi (Google Image search "kokoshnik fans", Poe's law).
Maybe a minor detail, but the Czech Republic wants to be officially refered to as "Czechia" since 2016. They got through their proposal to the EBU and will be officially "Czechia" from 2023 onwards in regards of Eurovision and other events.
Well done, this is probably the most intelligent channel focussing on Eurovision.. 🥰 It's a funny coincidence that you used sources by some of my former teachers here at Leipzig University.. 😄 I think it's worth mentioning that there is also the concept of Euro-Slavism which seeks to bring together all Slavic nations (excluding Russia) in the framework of European integration.. In the context of Eurovision, where next to Ukraine five other Slavic countries (but not Russia) and several other ones with strong Slavic minorities (Austria, Germany, UK..) take part, this would also be a suitable interpretation..
Unrelated to this specific video, but it sure is a breath of fresh air to hear an Anglophone confronted with non-English names and not just going "haha I'm probably gonna butcher this" (and then, in fact, doing so) but actually making an effort to pronounce them correctly.
I don't understand the people claming it's "splitting pro-Ukraine vote", like... Is winning the contest twice in a row really gonna stop the war or help the victims ?
As much as My Sister's Crown was a hit, few people realize how much hate and abuse these girls had (even death threats). They made this song as a response ruclips.net/video/dN31JJHPB-E/видео.html and the Czech part says: Hey, Mom, sometimes it's hard around here ♪ Hey, Mom, sometimes I'm sick of everything ♪ Hey, Mom, you raised me nice Hey, Mom, thanks, Mom, hey Hey, Mom, sometimes it's hard around here Hey, Mom, sometimes people are mean ♪ Hey Mom, the world is ruled by Czech girls ♪ Hey Mom, thanks Mom, hey Would be nice to see a review of this song as well and to highlight the abuse online from faceless people (like the purple faceless creature soming out of that mirror making the girl infront of it see her self as ugly and doubt herself)
I got the message of the song from day one, I'm not even slavic but I feel what they meant in this amazing song. In my top10 for all this and more. I hope it successes in Liverpool 💖
I'm always in awe of how well researched and scripted these videos are. 💪 Also, are you still doing a video on the UK's song. Now we have their running order position, that should give some extra potential for analysis.
Thank you for the kind words. Gotta be honest, the UK song isn't grabbing me. Just seems like a fine, normal pop song to us. But pitch us, what are the interesting angles there?
I had a (over) thought that it's a song for the manifesting generation..... instead of Doing anything she wrote a song, and not a great one half the words are missing da da da da. The angle is how the UK team try but don't try at the same time, ...quite a feat.
Lol, all of the authors from 8:44 were my teachers and one of them is my bachelor thesis supervisor right now. Good selection of sources my man & great video. Greetings from 🇨🇿
I hate so much that Putin took the roots of a good thing and twisted it until it became bad. The Idea that Slavic Countries work together, in unity, as a force for good... that is a _good_ Idea. And it is different from "My Way or the High Way" a.k.a. there are no Slavic Countries, only minirussias, which is what he brings to the table. And I get Ukrainians feeling Enmity towards any russian. I do really. It must be hard to feel like someone is supporting you when the people who speak the same language are bombing your home. But I can only implore you to not let hate corrupt your heart. I live in germany, and we have many russian immigrants, most of which are horrified at what they are seeing. I am a Vocal coach and one of my Pupils is a russian-german woman in her 40s. She has been immensly stressed 6theses last few months, and sometimes she felt like she could not talk to people because her accent gave her away and people were horrible to her. This isn't the way. You do not choose the country you were born in. Believe me, as a german, I _know_ the stigma of being born in a certain country. But we are not where we are born and the Russian member of Vesa is clearly anti Putin. So please, keep your heart open, especially for members of the russian public who come over to the right side. it is a bloddy and long march there and it is incredibly hard, but there are people who are willing to take it.
This video was so funny and quirky while being suoer informative, your personality and delivery is incredible, I don't know how you managed to make a video about such a deep topic so deep and informative yet so witty, 10/10
As a Balkan Slav I can completely understand why people are suspicious of pan-slavism and I am glad you addressed this since it is pretty niche in grand scheme things. Pan-Slavism in political policy I am not so sure about (as in officially uniting countries into one) since the Slavic world is incredibly diverse, however as a general attitude I think it definitely something that should be reclaimed from Putin's greed.
I've talked with my best friend whose parents were Croatian and Serbian and she seemed to have similar sentiments. As a general attitude there's a sense of cultural connection between the Slavic nations, while all retaining their individual identities. It all just goes to show the wonderful diversity of Slavic culture and unifying it all would take away from that.
Don't forget that we czechs are totally pissed at Russia because of Soviet Invasion in 1968. This historical moment ruined our parent's and grandparent's lives for 30 years. We can totally relate when we see Ukraine nowadays. So yeah this is our sisterhood. And of course Slovaks are our siblings forever ❤😀
As a Czech the "peace" message is iffy to me. "I want to peace" is often used for prorussian people. Infamously presidential canditate Babis said he would not help Poland if they are attacked.... because he wants "peace". This Saturday people shouted "we want peace" in the heart of Prague. Some with "Z"s and Wagner group patches on their jackets. Then they attacked cars with Ukrainian number plates... and tried to storm National Museum Capitol style... just cause it displays Ukrainian flag. As a Czech, panslavism is icky to me, given our history with russia.
Thank you for your message! It is exactly why Ukrainians consider such messages about "peace" or "chose love over power" to be dangerous in the current situation. Also the next slogan can be: "We have to stop this war, no matter what it costs Ukraine. Why don't Ukrainians give their lands to Russia to end the war."
Yea, I get that. But I think its better if we take pan-slavism away from Putins hands this way. We can feel connected over being slavic, but that doesnt mean Russia can dictate shit to us. But I personally feel like the message in the song is clearly pro ukrainian and the "choose love over power" and "peace" is more meant towards russians than ourselves.
@@irynasanna6013 That's interesting, because for me (being Polish) that part clearly refers to Russia - it is this sister that had been led astray by her lust for power, and she should choose love over this power to be allowed back into the pack. It's basically telling Russia it is now in the sisterhood purgatory until it learns how to behave and treat our other sister - the one that is brave, unique, and no one has a right to take her crown away - better. This sister is clearly Ukraine, and this is the one the band expressed support for. Also, in both the Czech and Polish historical traditions, the crown is clearly a metaphor for political independence, as both struggled with getting one and becoming a kingdom, i.e. independent from the meddling by the German emperors. I am not sure how evident this metaphor is for Ukrainians, though, as their national symbol is the trident.
@@berlineczka The problem is that it's a controversial song about a painful topic. Everyone can understand it differently due to different personal experiences. There are a lot of controversial symbols in the song and the video. Each of them separately would not cause such negative reaction. But when they are all together in one place we have what we have. My personal point of view is that if you address your song to somebody, first of all, you have to check that this audience will understand it correctly. If we talk about the "peace" message, it is not clear from the song that the message is addressed only to Russia. It is your personal interpretation based on your world view. A lot of people who supports Putin also ask for peace. But they see differently how to achieve this peace. I don't say that Vesna one of them. I'm just trying to show that in the current situation this message does not show absolute support for Ukraine. Also a lot of Russians like this song because they interpret it in their own way.
I see a lot of pop-folk in Eastern Europe this year. I'd say the reason is the east is showing the west what their cultures are, so next time big Put In says "X Slavic Country is just an extension of Russian land" we'll know the difference
Well you're a Starmania superfan, you must be thrilled to see those two teaming up to slay like that! Actually, if you want to consult on a script email me at belinkie at overthinkingit dot com, you seem like a real expert on those ladies.
It's interesting how even smart people from the West thinks propaganda flows only one way. Also not noticing their own ingrained bias against for example Slavs. I would love if this song was truly Pan-Slavic and not another propaganda prop for whichever side. True Pan-Slavism would seek a true sovereignty, that is based primarily on self-respect and dignity that doesn't require anyone's clap or approval.
What makes you think that Ukrainians want pan-Slavic version of Third Reich instead of being friendly with Baltic, Nordic, Benelux and Caucasian countries, plus UK and US instead? Poland and Czech Republic are fine, but why would we WANT to be in some weird white supremacist Slav cult instead of being closer to countries WE WANT instead?
To be honest I find this song beautiful, and true how most of Slavs feel about the war in Ukraine, in Poland is plenty Russian and Belarusian people who didn't had life in their countries as they are strongly disagree with Putin and Lukaszenko. They suffer a lot in their countries of origin - some of them even tortures, but their lives in Poland aren't easier. Backlash from Polish nationalists, sometimes even physical attacks are frequent. My hear ache when I see everyday those mass of refuges, and still remember about atrocities my great grandparents and grandparents suffer during the WWII. And crimes committed by Putin troupes in Ukraine very much represent cruelty of soviet ''svoloch'' from 1930-1953. Russian leaders didn't change an inch since about 400 years. Yes, WWII didn't finish for eastern Europeans in 1945.
It feels like people don't understand what Pan-slavism actually was. Back then all the smaller slavic nations were under the rule of different nations. We were facing the threat of our culture and languages being erased. I'm not joking, btw, for us under the Habsburg monarchy there was a mandatory Catholicism and our children in school were tought in german as opposed to their mothers tongue. And people who were actively fighting against that ended up dead, imprisoned or in exile. Pan-slavism was then introduced as a way to fight the oppression - together as one. It's literally the same reason why it was Czechoslovakia that formed after the WWI and not Czechia and Slovakia. Because there were (and to this day still are some) territorial disputes over the land (see what happened during WWII to Czechoslovakia) and two nations would be stronger in fighting against it than each on their own. Pan-slavism didn't came out of some kind of beliefs about slavic supremacy, but out of necessity to survive. The way Putin now uses Pan-slavism is different. Back then it was "we're family, we should do this together," now it is "we're family, that means I own you." It's not small nations fighting against the oppression of bigger nation, it's the bigger nation annexing the smaller one under the claim of sharing a culture and history. Which is not anything new under the sun, it happened already in the Eastern Block, back then it was the Soviet Russia silencing any national sovereignity movements. Czechs and Slovaks being the target of the 1968s invasion. And Ukraine isn't the only country affected by this "new" idea of Pan-slavism, it's just the first country in the line. If Ukraine falls, the others are next. This song is a reminder that smaller slavic nations have to fight together once more to survive, it is a wake up call.
Re argument #1. A very big percentage of Russian population is actually well aware and supportive of the war. I'll say more, it's not the first war they're aware of and supportive. From the minority that might actually disagree, did we see ANY meaningful attempt of doing anything against theirs country's politics throughout more than a year of war? Any moment we could recall and say, man they were so close, or wow, they really did something there? Apart from very few selfless individuals, most of them are ok with what's going on as long as it doesn't thouch them directly (how many Russians left the country in response to starting the open war vs how many after they became at risk for mobilisation). Some sisterhood song is not going to flip their wordview
This sociological reality os also why some Ukrainians don't appreciate glorification of the 'good' Russians. The narrative of sisterly nation is very harmful in our context. This stereotype often makes foreigners (who oftentimes haven't dealt with Russia very closely) think it's just one dictator's fault, and simple people are so close While its the simple people who let this happen and who devotedly does the job. Its not an army of Putin's clones, its the simple people. If you listen to what Russian opposition says beyond the unspecific "no war" posts on social media, you'll see that they have the same imperialist ambition towards Ukraine but prefer different methods. It's important to recognise everyone's blame in the crimes, and its important to understand that the whole Russian society came to this state of waging wars not just one man. All too often we hear about how Russians actually disagree with Putin, at the very time when Russians continue doing their part in this war, for a long time now.
Please do Germany as well, there is so much to this song ❤ Vesna is currently my number two, I love the song a lot. And I love how you explain things, you deserve so much more attention!
Sorry, I don't think we're going to get to a full video about Germany. Current plan is Serbia, Austria, Finland, and Sweden. With a couple of surprises mixed in.
Una visión de la canción que no había logrado captar, acerca de esa "hermandad" de los países eslavos; sí me pareció que la canción presenta un mensaje pro Ucrania, al conocer los países y lenguajes que incluye la canción, pero esos detalles son los que enriquecen la cultura de alguien que ve el concurso desde tan lejos. Salud y saludos desde Venezuela!!!! A vision of the song that he had not been able to capture, about that "sisterhood" of the Slavic countries; It did seem to me that the song presents a pro-Ukrainian message, knowing the countries and languages that the song includes, but those details are what enrich the culture of someone who sees the contest from so far away. Blessings and greetings from Venezuela!!!!
Will New York Matt and Mark be hosting a party at The Liberty in NYC this year? Will Los Angeles Matt, his wife and the beagle be hosting a watch party also? May we please get a speed round for the countries you haven't been able to cover?
I am missing here amidst of the political analysis, a bit of the symbolism of the hand gesture against gender-based violence that is also panslavist and cross-border and which is also beimg strongly brought up.
8:06 Начинает говорить о Славянском съезде 1848 года в Праге (Чехия), но показывает карту народов СССР (в границах с 1950-х годов). В съезде 1848 года русский народ и восточные славяне почти НЕ были представлены (были русины и Михаил Бакунин, но Бакунин не мог представлять русских, а русины в том момент в большинстве проживали в Австрийской Империи, а не в России). Тут нужно отметить, что В. Путин вытащил идею объединения в общий концлагерь -- идеи Троцкого или имперские идеи Сталина, чем бы они не были замаскированы. Путин вытащил НЕ идею панславянизма и объединения славян. Сейчас Путин антирусский и антиславянский политик, вот это не должно ускользнуть от наблюдающего.
Thanks for reminding about 'Slavic girls', I was hoping everybody forgot about this long time ago... I am Polish and in 2014 I went abroad to study and almost every time someone learnt where I am from they were making a reference to this song and honestly it sucked 😅. Also I think the 1st place in UK and Ireland might be caused by a big number of Poles living there which allowed them to vote for Poland. This year I am sad again because I don't believe I will ever see my country sending a decent song to Eurovision 😆 Anyway it is really great analysis of Czech song. Will you talk about Serbia? And maybe Finland? These two are my favorites this year and I think they both have an interesting message.
Another point is how the song claims "you can't use your God against us". Russia and Ukraine have being in a religious war since 2018, with 2 Orthodox churches in Ukraine
As a Ukrainian, I'm still not sure about my attitude towards this song. The lyrics seem so well-intended and pro-Ukrainian, and I am not against the idea of sisterhood as the Slavic counties have been supporting Ukraine so much, but their music video is very controversial. They start it with the words "there once was peace in the Slavic kingdom", as if all the current political problems appeared out of nowhere and also they imply that russia is just the victim of some outer forces and is not responsible for the war.
Idea of their music video is exactly the same as in the Disturbed - Land of confusion. Girls symbolize countries, mens symbolize their governments. And single color is that they are all on the same side.
I mean, the fact that the video was banned in Russia for me is evidence that this band is ok! The 'splitting the votes' argument is stupid btw, it's like saying people will ONLY vote for Ukraine out of sympathy. Kroatia and Moldova also had pro-Ukrainian songs, Vesna wasn't the only one.
One of the most important reasons why Ukrainian was suspicious about this song was the term "sister". In russia that's one of the biggest speculation. We always hear from them that we are sisters and brothers, that we are the brotherhood countries, that we just a little sister that doesn't know what would be better for her and just the older sister can help us. That's really traumatic to hear things like this now.
But what they said was not 'hey sister, listen up, give Russia your land, that'd be best." They said; 'My beautiful sister, you are só strong. The one and only brave one. The crown is *yours.*
I honestly don’t get the mass-popular idea that Russian government and media are so controlling and manipulative. Governments of all countries show their citizens a tiny bit of information that’s kinda essential to know. Rest is hidden and is probably a concern of the government itself… Anyways, the idea of unity in the song is great ☮️
never thought a thorough breakdown of the political messages in a Eurovision song+video would slap me in the face with the reminder that American TV writers don't know how to make up fantasy villain names anymore. Anyway thank you for this video, this is exactly my niche
Btw, Vesna is also name of the old Slavic goddess of Spring.
In Russian "vesna" is translation of the word spring.
in Ukrainian and Polish it's means directly "spring"
E, hvala sestro krasiva što si to napisala. Htela sam i ja da im kažem ❤
@@SLS7778Well, it's spelled Vesna in Czech.
@SLS хочешь поумничать и научить русского человека, как произносить слова на его родном языке? ЛОЛ ХD
This is the level of discussion I want for Eurovision songs! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As a Czech, the reason why Czechs only have 30% of the televote is most likely because of the czech viewership of ESC being absolutely abysmal, partly due to ČT's own fault. Back in 2020, Czechs had 50% of the televote and they unanimously voted for Benny Christo not because they liked his song, but because Benny is famous and he probably just shared the voting link on his socials. Same with 2022 - Czech televote winner was the only mainstreamelly known pair. I support us only having 30% of the telebote because objectively, the czech televoters themselves do not give a damn about our song.
Yeah in CZ, no one I know rly cares about Eurovision. And it has like 0 propagation.
Interesting. In Finland Eurovision and the national selection UMK are a really big thing. As an example, on Sunday after Eurovision 4 first news headlines on the biggest national quality newspaper website were about Eurovision (with later down many more).
@@8Joya8 That's really not true.
@@dobryden.6241 Ok, so Finland has 5,6 mil citizens, 2 mil watched EV in 2022; Czechia has 10,5mil and 135k watched EV. Just by watching the national finals, you can see, the difference in eurovision popularity.
I am a gen Z in czech republic and I didn't even know what eurovision was until now. And it's not like I live under a rock, no one around me cares.
The “panslavism” sentiment has different undertones to Czechs. Brotherhood or sisterhood can exist within borders and sovereign nations. It’s what we did in splitting with Slovakia.
yea. just like me and my brothers are very distinct and seperate people, despite the brotherly bond. why would that not work for metaphorical siblings?
I don't understand why this channel doesn't have 500k subscribers already. Pure gold in the script, the content, the editing, the delivery...
Thank you to the creators!
Wow, thank you! Gonna show this to my mom.
@@overthinkingit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ...your creator...
@@eurovego I see what you did there 😅
Maybe because ESC bubble just want to listen to the music and have fun. TV viewers would be more interested in the background, but they don't look at the Internet beforehand. Therefore, it is just the few thousand fans who would like to have the background of some songs summarized.
Eh, this pan-slavism thing. People are missing the context. It is Czechia. That used to be Czechoslovakia. The most amicable country split in history. We can be brothers with Sovaks because we are INDEPENDENT.
Only those who are in unwarranted position of power and control are ones who have troubles with idea of independence as they themselves are unable to think independently as they are slaves to the system of power that they are trying to maintain.
That's the thing! Putin is saying: "We are one", while the good pan-slavism is saying (or at least, should say): "We are independent siblings". Because yeah, that's the point - we can be bound by common languages, cultures, traditions; but don't have to be by legislative or border means.
@@artistbervucci1716well that's neo-slavism read about it, and I think it's 100x better than pan slavism, but in general it's unity of Slavic people but still with individual countries culture's something like more cooperation between Slavic countries
Excellent analysis of "My Sister's Crown."
I would like to see an analysis of Austria's "Who the Hell is Edgar." Among the items I would like you to cover are the role of Edgar Allan Poe in the song and the point that Teya and Salena are making through the lyrics.
I think we can do that for you.
seconded
Third-ed
Fourth-ed
yes please!
I really love this song and I'm glad it was chosen. But btw I think I need to clarify something about Poland's entry in 2014 with 'We are Slavic'. I would think people have realised by now but seems like not really: this song, its video and presentation are an IRONY. In the Polish version of the MV there is even a message about it at the start. It's making fun of people sexualising Slavic women but at the same time it's about Slavic women embracing the power they hold over their image. The fact that this entry had such high score in voting plus the outrage at the performance only shows how easily people will buy into the superficiality.
It was clearly a satire on the Slavic fetish/stereotype when the song was released, as was the whole album of Donatan "My Słowianie" is part of. However, for the Eurovision staging and messaging they went full into the stereotype and shown over-sexualised chicks on the stage. There was nothing ironic about it any more. Have they kept the satirical character of it, I'd be more supportive of this song. They didn't, and it turned pure cringe for me.
@berlineczka this 💯 👏 👏 👏 thank you for saying this!
The eurovision staging and performance didn't seem satirical anymore... more like clickbait for some cheap/east votes...
Kinda like a rapper using over sexualized women shaking their butts in their music videos rapping about female empowerment 😅
"Russkiy mir" is completely different from pan-Slavism. On many occasions pan-Slavism was discussed between Southern and Western Slavs without any special importance given to Russia. I do have a feeling of Slavic brotherhood, but I see them all as equal. If anything, for me personally, Russians are the last who come to mind in this pan-Slavic vision because they are already huge and a global player. Most other Slavic nations have been sidelined throughout history and that is precisely why this idea of greater mutual cooperation, or even political unity, has emerged. Certainly not to make ourselves subordinate to another country like Russia.
Exactly. Thinking about Slavs I almost don´t consider Russia as a Slavic country, because there is more about Asian nations than Slavic.
@@drakulkacz6489 well. That’s not true though.
Yes, beautifully said
@@drakulkacz6489 зачем разделять страны на национальности? Россия очень многонациональная страна. Тот образ России, который создаётся европейской пропагандой, ужасен.
С 1991 года моя страна открыла свою душу, но вокруг все плевали в неё. Смеялись над Ельциным, издевались над нашими спортсменами. Ваши правительства подло отрезали нам крылья, решив, что наше место в рамках нашего болота. Это образ Малифисенты. Вы ее ещё почувствуете.
The image of Russia isn't terrible, even still.
And from the 90's it wasn't (I can only remember somewhere around '94-'95 earliest, so...) Was better for a while, actually, after the soviet collapsed.
But image of the current Russian leadership is terrible, I admid that. But image of russians themselves, it's not that bad. Ah, it has it's good and bad, but so do our all images in sight of others. 🤷♀️
As a person who absolutely adores multilingual music, I have to say that this song is right up my valley. I’ve learned about the concept of Panslavism in school, mainly through the history of Slovakia, so the idea wasn’t new to me. I’m trying to be politically active and all of Russia’s actions worry me, and my heart constantly goes out to all the people suffering due to Russia’s evil government (yes, even Russians, even though many of them have given me a reason to hate them). After all, Vesna sings “there is no place in hate in our sea”, and I wish Russia could open its eyes and see that we do not want to hate her, but she’s not giving us a choice. This song is the manifestation of my thoughts regarding my fellow slavic nations - I wish we all could be friends, that we could prosper in a mutually beneficial relationship, that Slovakia could be everyone’s friend, but I see that my sister’s sovereignty, Ukraine’s sovereignty, is being taken away from her, and I wish to protect her. I’m very happy this song exists, and I’m even happier that it gets to appear on Eurovision. I couldn’t be more proud of Czechia right now! 💛💙
This ^ I wholeheartedly agree
russia* russians*
On point! Totally agree in all you wrote
‘right up my valley’ made me chuckle.. mostly because a valley would, by definition, be low
I love this channel! One of the best part of Eurovision honestly. Please cover as much as possible songs this year. Thank you ❤
So nice to hear! We'll try and keep it up for you!
@@overthinkingit im Brazilian, living in Switzerland, married to a Dutch guy. I usually love the songs from Portugal because they are always in Portuguese (and to be fair, they send good artists). So I’m always divided. But I don’t know, I can’t believe I’m saying it out loud, so far this year Germany won my heart lol! If you could cover any of these countries would be AMAZING. :) thank you for the great videos and the superb research you guys do!
Oh wow, a fellow Brazilian who likes Eurovision!
Ainda acho que a Globo deveria transmitir, hein. Seria sucesso!
@@ramonaheart com ctz!!! Eu faço todos os meus amigos no BR assistirem hahahaha eles já até começaram a gostar de tanto que eu insisto
i'm not sure if it was intended (it definitely could've been) but the visual metaphor of the guys being dressed in a light purple colour was the first thing that clued me into them representing Russia. the colours of the russian flag are red, blue and white, when you mix them together, you get light purple.
That didn’t occur to us but if it was intended it was a clever touch!
What a good analysis!
As Ukrainian, I really like that song (one of my favorites this year) and that's sad that good intentions by Vesna members were misunderstood. I was also suspicious about them until I found their interview on BBC.
i think especially the attacks on the russian member are disturbing. anti-putin russians should be supported. she risked her freedom in order to protest the invasion. it doesn't make sense to hate her for what she stands against
i know few russian speaking ukranians (i work with refugees sometimes) who 100% identify as ukranian and oppose the invasion. but they have told me they get attacked by other refugees for their language. it's important to remember that speaking russian does not at all mean you support putin
I've been on quite a binge through your channel today so I might have left this exact comment already, can't remember, by I cannot thank you enough for representing such high quality media analysis on youtube! Your historical and cultural sensitivity coupled with the way you dare to bring up genuine deep cutting interpretation is incomparable.
You can post this comment as many times as you want! Many thanks.😊
If we're talking requests for future episodes, Samo Mi Se Spava seems like a natural pick. It's oozing with symbolism and Luke Black has been collaborating with Konstrakta too. The mixing of androgyny with apocalyptic industrial music seems also very novel for Eurovision.
Yes! I want to see this channel talk about Nine Inch Nails!
hatari?
First song I've listened to from this year's contest that I genuinely liked. The analysis just improved it.
This song makes me feel like an empowered Slavic woman, and I'm a Latino dude 😅
Great analysis! I learned a lot, thank you :)
Thanks for watching! I learned a lot too.
2:30 The Polish song is actually called My Słowianie (Us Slavs - yes, the vid only shows women, perhaps dealing with a phenomenon known as "generic masculinum" - the fact that in most Slavic languages, some professions and most nations use the male grammatical gender (most Slavic languages use 3 genders - male (also differing between animate and inanimate), female and neutral).
Thank you. As a Czech, I thought this song would have more international success, not just because of politics but because it's good. But of course, they wouldn't let Czechs win
You know.... same old same old. Women empowerement bad, Ukraine being everywhere annoying, woke songs are cancer. Online it was popular and then people began to get butthurt over the fact that the political song for the political competition is political...
I think it's just wasn't that different to shine through (songwise). I liked it, but it wasn't one of my favourites.
Didn't know any politics beforehand, and I don't think it actually is a "women empowerment song", not in any activist way anyway.
Sisterhood, crowns, long plated hair, protecting others, intriguing melody, Idk, was quite nice? My sister said she liked it 😄
I liked Albania, Portugal, Norway, Netherlands perhaps?, Finland (yes, but I'm biased). The orange lady and the one with the flute solo. Iceland maybe?
In my opinion there was many great songs this year, and in some way, they are all already winners. Even the ones that I didn't get to attach to 😉
It was my favorite ❤
Hi, Im from the Netherlands. I was schocked, really schocked that they got only 10th place. I really likes the song itself, I didnt know it was about slavicsupport or Ukraine support, I thought it was about sisterhood and woman standing together. I loved the message and the way it was presented and the videoclip as wel as live performence... I dont know what the reason of low place was, but I see it more often. That standard (generic?) songs that is just another pop song is so popular but had no unique or representing their country/culture . It could be from anywhere.. My favourite usually dont go in top 5. I still listen to the song, it is very sad and bad that these band had so much critique even threats made against them...😘 from Amsterdam
So happy you covered Vesna! And so well! ❤
The controversy around this song is so bizarre to me. It's like such a blatantly obvious pro-ukraine message, yet the fact that it's also about pan slavism somehow makes people put on their blinders and completely ignore every other part of the song
Imagine making an anti-war song in 1942 and saying something about pan-German brotherhood. You know, the literal excuse for World War 2. It's also suspect of grift. Laibach literally had their Kyiv concert canceled because of less touchy statements.
@@KasumiRINA That's not the same though. There's plenty of other slavic countries that aren't Russia or Belarus, while in 1942 there's only one Germany, unless you meant to say pan-germanism, then your statment still wouldn't really work cause there are more than one germanic countries. The song's meaning in the pan slavism aspect is not to literally make one nation out of all slavic speaking countries, but to just have a sister/brotherhood, so the same would be sung in this hypothetical 1942 pan germanism song. The problem is that some people are stupid and don't think or learn before they speak of something and others just join in.
1. Modern Ukrainian national symbols DON'T have any crowns. While Russian does. Russian coat of arms, for example. A crown would be first of all associated with russia.
2. Pan slavism sounds very cool at first thought. If you ignore historical context. The context - russia used ideas of pan slavism in a twisted way to justify its imperialism. In russian meaning of pan slavism - russian nation must rule all the slavs. It's not about equality at all.
3. The idea of "brotherly" (sisterly?) nations became sickening to Ukrainians. As mentioned above, russia used it to justify its imperialism. And in modern days - to erase Ukrainian identity and language. It goes like this - ukrainians are (smaller) brothers of russians -> ukrainians and russians the same -> so ukrainian culture belongs to russia -> so ukrainians dont even exist they just some smaller russians -> Ukraine must be part of russia
I'm very glad that Czechs weren't victims of this brotherhood/sisterhood for last 300 years. But as a result - they created message that is way out of touch and offensive to Ukrainians
@@Daniluk05 I understand Ukrainian feelings towards this, but when the song is THAT obvious in supporting them and just wishing all the best by expressing that ukraine is seen as family and that they're here to be by their side? Like at that point i feel like they're just fearful out of paranoia, in which case they should listen to the author and those who created the song, but the thing is they either don't or choose to listen, but still make up their own lies to believe, so at that point sorry, but it's because of their choices that they perceive a wholesome song dedicated to support them in a negative way. Like I think this can be similar to a toxic boyfriend saying i love you to manipulate you and an actual caring person saying the same thing, just so you could know that you're appretiated. Some ukrainians are just rushing to hate everything that even slightly reminds them of russia, which tbh is toxic from their side. It's the same situation like in WW2 when the whole world demonized the german people even tho a big amount of them were even against Hitler's actions and weren't part of the SS. It baffles me how humans fail to learn from history.
@wulfgar6465 it wasn't "THAT" obvious. Many people were unsure what the message was about until the authors posted a detailed explanation on social media. As I said, mainly because of symbolism that is not understood in Ukraine. You really need to do some digging to understand it by yourself if you don't know the language and what the symbols are supposed to mean. It's not surprising that many ukrainians just didn't get it.
I think that there’s another part worth mentioning: over the years all Czech supporters of Putin used Czech flag on their profiles. In autumn 2022 a movement “take the flag back” started and anti-Russian people started using it because the state symbols shouldn’t be icky to anyone pro-European while the Czech symbols are used only in combination with Russian symbols. It created a lot of uproar among the pro-Russian crowd. Through this lense I see Vesna’s pan-slavic message as “taking it back” too. Because there’s still the message of love and support.
Absolutely agree. I also feel like we are taking the slavic "idea" back and putting it in opposition to what Putin and Russia does.
Very interesting, all Bulgarian supporters of Putin use the Bulgarian flag on their profiles. I guess they're a couple of year behind on the Russian propaganda...
Yo this is such a good explanation of the song, like damn i didn’t know it was that deep.
At first i thought the video was kinda weird, but you explained it really well!
Please make more videos
I am from Russia and I really like your analysis.
I will not be able to fully understand the pain of Ukraine. When the Serbs call us brothers, it doesn't hurt me. For obvious reasons.
Although I have always had a question, who exactly from Russia should be considered "brothers".
Our country is multinational. "Russian" as a citizen and "Russian" as a nationality are two different things (I use a translator and I don't know how to convey this in another language).
My mother is Russian by nationality, my father has mixed blood of several ethnic groups of the Soviet space.
I was raised by my mother, and I have always lived in the western part of Russia. I always felt more Russian by nationality.
We have a lot of mixed blood and different nationalities. And the Russians are among them.
For some people in Russia, "brothers" is a manipulation and a way to subjugate others. For people like me, "brother" is a sign of respect. Too bad it's become an insult now. And it’s a pity that even girls not from Russia got a minus for this.
I don't agree with our policy and I don't like the war we started.
Ok some additional points about the pan-slavism, if I may. I am no expert but I did do a good bit of reading on the intended message of the song around the time escz happened and also I took some uni courses, have learned several slavic languages in uni courses and in general have been doing some reading on the topic in recent years. All this to say while this should be taken with a grain of salt, I do feel quite confident in this.
So firstly on the origins of pan-slavism. During the 19th century the east and south-east of Europe were mostly ruled by three empires fighting for dominance. The Ottoman empire, the Russian empire and the Habsburg monarchy. All of these knew that there is one thing that is pure poison to an empire. And that thing is nationalism. And so all three did the logical thing and funded nationalist movements in the other two Empires as well as in disputed areas. Now Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman empire had to resort to like regular old nationalism. Like 'hey, you guys want to be your own country and not subject to your evil leaders anymore? We think you're right. Here you have money, weapons and anything else you might need.' You know the drill. The Russian empire however? Well they had a secret magic argument! For the Russian empire it was a huge advantage that in the area we are talking about a lot of slavic people were living. So for that empire specifically it made sense to go 'why look. we're all slavic. shouldn't we all live together in a big slavic state? In happiness and peace? where all those evil oppressors can't get to you anymore? We think so too. Who should be leading that state? Well I have a revolutionary idea which you will LOVE!'. Now the reasons for the wish for pan-slavicism at the time were very much real. It's is fully an ideology that made sense for slavic revolutionaries at the time to buy into. And even many years later. In many ways even now. However. iirc even at the time this idea of 'we should just all join the Russian empire and live happily ever after' was not entirely popular. But regardless of the wider reception, within Russian government circles this idea of 'we should be the ones leading the Slavic people to salvation' solidified.
Time went on. WWI happened. Russia had a revolution. A communist one. A political framework that technically wants people to live happily and in harmony and that puts human rights first. However the plentiful minorities in the former Russian empire very soon were to find out that it was more of a 'freedom for me but not for thee' type of deal, cue several genocides and also WWII. Another situation in which (despite being very much one of the countries that started it mind you) the Soviet Union was able to say 'look at us! Protectors of the people!' and East of Germany there are mostly slavic people. So naturally pan-slavicism became part of soviet propaganda in the eastern block. And at the center of it the soviet union. The protectors of Slavic people from the evil west. And throughout the following years you could see quite well what happened if you didn't entirely agree with that line of thinking. In 1968 the prague spring happened. The people of czechoslovakia decided they wanted to have more freedoms. Be maybe a bit more like the west. And in return the on-paper 'allies' of Czechoslovakia showed up on their doorstep with tanks.
Many years later the soviet union fell apart just as the eastern block. Russia is finding itself more and more isolated. If one were poetic one might say a dying empire grasping at straws. And what straws does it grasp at? A fun mix of 'Oh the evil west is poisoning our subjects .. I mean (former) allies' minds against us!' and 'well really I mean we are all slavic brothers and sisters here! we should get along! we're best friends, see? Don't mind all genocides and invasions and political undermining we've done against your people or at the very least that we've supported. We're best buddies!!!'
Ending once again on a wonderful note of (excuse my German) 'und bist du nicht willig so brauch ich Gewalt!' (and if you're not willing I shall use force). With the invasion of Ukraine. An empire always tries first to use soft power (eg culture) before it uses hard power (eg war) and at the moment Russia has seemingly very much given up on the soft-power approach.
Anyways. Yes, the song uses pan-slavism. But it is a song that recognises the fact that even though it can definitely be a useful ideology Russia and its predecessors have been using it to further the goals of its empire since the ideology was first thought of. And often at the expense of other Slavic people who have suffered under the liberation they were promised especially since WWII. Many Slavic nations are to this day battling with Russia trying very hard to meddle in their affairs. Eg a few years ago a weapons' warehouse blew up in the Czech Republic which was later confirmed to have been the work of Russian spies. Other things include cyber attacks on critical infrastructure etc. And that is of course without talking about Ukraine. This song is truly saying 'fuck you and all the horrible shit you have done to me', invoking the spirit of pan-slavism to make a stand against Russia. To reclaim the ideology for those who have use for it. Saying 'we are having a slavic sisterhood without you. And if you want to be let back in it will be on our terms'
Also lines like 'you can take your hands back'. I mean that is clearly meant to be about the war in Ukraine, but the way I understand it it is also very much about all the other influence Russia wants to have on free independent countries.
But yes overall I feel like it's not just about Ukraine. It is about all the shit Russia has been trying to pull continually for years now. And also about the need for this support between slavic nations, that also get exploited from the west, which also has shown a complete unwillingness to heed their warnings on the topic. It's a highly political song in all its layers. But it's all politics that are very very relevant. Even if Russia hadn't started a war in Ukraine.
And in addition. If you think. That the Czech Republic would send a pro-Russian song to Eurovision you have never talked to a Czech person in your life. And you see the bias of anti-slavicism here. A westerner might be tempted to put this very diverse group of countries in one neat little box labeled 'stupid slavs' and suddenly people are surprised that Mateusz 'so far on the right that I'd punch him without a second thought if I ever met him in real life' Morawiecki is this strongly anti-Russia when he has said himself that he believes Russia is personally responsible for the death of his (grand?)father (I think it was him, it might've been someone else from that clown party). Just unaware, that right-wing = pro-Russia isn't a universal truth. And now we get into anti-slavicism and anti-eastern sentiment in eurovision which is a whole other can of worms for a different day.
thank you for reading, have a nice day.
I hope you don't mind if I bookmark this comment and come back to it later when I can address it more fully, because it's really thoughtful and I appreciate you taking the time to share!
For now I will just say that I think it's interesting that the historical epoch you yada yada yada over is the one I wish I had addressed in the video: the leadup to WWI and WWI itself. Because in the video as it stands I make it sound like pan-slavism became an historical curiosity in 1848 only to be revived by Vladamir Putin 150 years later. But I bet if you could have a little chat with the dying Archduke Franz Ferdinand, he would have some interesting things to say about whether pan-slavism was a spent force or not.
Most of your summary, however, goes beyond WWI into the Soviet era, which is a time I hadn't really considered as relevant to pan-slavism. It seems like you make a convincing case though! After Eurovision is done maybe I'll dig into it a little!
@@overthinkingit Oh yes absolutely. And I didn't mean to make it sound like the leadup to WWI was unimportant to the history of pan-slavism or the other way around, it just wasn't entirely relevant to the point I was trying to make. In my understanding much of the situation in 1914 is the events and ideologies from the mid 19th century going towards their natural conclusion (in this regard), bc at a very fundamental level not that much really changed in that time in the grand scheme of things. As opposed to if you compare the situation to just 5 years later. Especially when you focus on Russian empire/the soviet union.
However I do feel that in the grand scheme of things, from a czech perspective, if you look at a critique of pan-slavism, the dealings of the soviet union within the eastern block are far more relevant than anything that came before. At the very least bc it is within living memory.
hi from Czechia 🇨🇿 ! as a Czech born in 1968 and grown in the former Czechoslovakia, I admire your knowledge concerning our history, the real meaning of pan-slavism and the reality of how most of Czechs feel about Russia. Thank you for your time and effort 🙏
Also, "you can take your hands back" also reminds me of how Russia has this habit of claiming they're "helping" the countries they invade. Offering "a helping hand", if you will. It was the same with Czechoslovakia in 1968. They sent tanks in to "help" us.
A rather witty, intelligent analysis. This guy has an amusing way of linking history, music and Slavic sentiment. The only thing he neglects, is the female empowerment. And Vesna is a feminist group.
The song has a multi-layered message and is much more than just a protest anti-war song. First of all, I find myself in it as a woman, then as a Slav, and then as a defender of peace. Mostly, the song is directed against patriarchy and male oppression towards women. Why? Because this is very clearly illustrated by both the text and the video. The song very clearly addresses ALL women in the world. Clearly, it does support the Ukrainian struggle, but it also supports female empowerment. For starters, the band is named Vesna, the Slavic pagan goddess of fertility, beauty and spring.
The video without the lyrics is already a story per se. The men in the video are very uniformed in their clothes and actions likewise, to show they are pretty much after the same thing: domination and power. First, they snap their teeth as if to bite, then they use their sticks to corner a woman and suffocate her, till she breaks free. The Tv screens on their heads suggest men being both creators and victims of the social media, while the women merely try to get the message. Then there's the part where a man is trying to force-feed the Russian girl with borsch (blood-colored soup), but she opens the mouth and swallows just to show him that she is capable of absorbing much more than he thinks.
On the other hand, the girls are dressed very differently from one another, to show each one of them is unique. And yet, they allow each other to be who they are, and still reach harmony in their message. I was mostly striked by the expression of curly -haired dicer with a ring in her nose. She throws red dices to show she is willing to take her chances, and is clearly the Amazon of the entire group. She has that stern glare on her face that says "I dare you to fight me". The fun part is where another girl applies her lipstick, till a man screams to her from the mirror to intimidate her about her looks. For he is the one who will tell her how she should look like. After that, she applies her lipstick abundantly and over the edge, forcing him to disappear into the mirror again. The best part is towards the end where the girls hold their ground by sitting against the wall and singing the chorus, forcing the men in purple suits ( color of imperialist and opressors) to row their sticks backwards. At the very end of the video, men are standing frozen still.
Now to the lyrics. The woman who brings life, not destruction.
"My sister won't stand in the corner
Nor will she listen to you
My sister, wild at heart
Will never let you tie her down": this is just about any woman, not just about Ukraine. After all, we all remember Manizha's song Russian woman from 2021. She shares the same message. This is not just a rebellion against Putin, but against all Putins throughout history, who also made sure to keep women aside, as it is clearly represented by the male dancers in the video.
"Life's not a moneybag, blood's on your God's head, you can't steal our souls": after the collapse of the Soviet Union, most of the Slavic countries have been going through the re-conservatization of society, which primarily means pushing women out of public space and denying women all the rights, hard won throughout recent history. This is most obvious in Poland, where women have lost the right to freely decide about their own bodies. In the name of a God whose image was created by men, women die also because they do not have the opportunity to freely decide on an abortion, but are victims of the crazy Catholic patriarchy.
"You can take your hands back
No one wants more boys dead
We're not your dolls": while this can surely be understood as a message to Putin, since he's clearly sending his boys to certain death, it can also be understood as a warning to men in general, especially the line "we are not your dolls". Women have been treated like a merchandise and war prize throigh most of human history. In every war, soldiers capture and rape women from the enemy's side as a collateral damage, merely to humiliate the enemy. Women are treated in every conflict like objects who don't have a say, thus the warning: we are not your dolls.
"Give me your hand don't be afraid
Come swim with your sisters
There's no place for hate in our sea": this text includes all women, not just Ukrainians. The choice of languages clearly shows unity of ALL Slavic women (and Russian women are NOT excluded, as we should not hate anyone).
And the final message: choose love OVER power. Something all those Putins in purple suits are not capable of.
To sum up, a proud Slavic woman wrote that. :)
For Ukrainians, the question of Pan Slavism is not familiar. We hardly use such a concept. During the Soviet Union, the only brotherhood allowed was the union of the three nations of Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians. Still, these nations did not exist simultaneously because "we are all Soviet people". There were no other Slavs in the mythology of the USSR. Therefore, regarding "brotherhood/sisterhood" among Ukrainians (it doesn't matter with whom), the immediate reflex is that somebody will once again impose toxic relations and convince us of our inferiority.
I assume the girls did not want to offend but accidentally hit one of the most painful wounds of many Ukrainians.
I love my cousins in language (Spanish Portuguese Romanian French) I don't know if does exist a pan romancism (sic) but, at the end, we are all European. Proudly so.
I think there's an unfortunate cultural clash, because Czechs calling another nation brothers/sisters is kinda one of the highest praise you can give? Like we love to call Slovaks our brothers and it definitely does not mean we want to take over or anything it is usually meant as "See, in this big world where we have so many differences with one another, you my friend feel like family, I see something in you that reminds me of me." It is usually used in a really loving way, it shows our close relationship with one another, it should show the love for shared culture and history we have with each other.
So after the war started, I've seen this brotherhood/sisterhood extended for Ukraine to show support, to show that they mean something to us and that we stand behind them. But it is really unfortunate, that the connotation of this is so different for Ukrainians. Honestly if it is such an issue and if so many Ukranians feel like it is offensive being referred to as brothers/sisters, I really do not get how this did not come up during the making of the song, since a Ukranian songwriter took part in the making of the song, maybe if it wasn't so prominently used the reception of the song and the understanding, of what the message of it actually is, would be better.
@@pokomi9141 Yes, it is sad that Ukrainians perceive a good phenomenon as a threat. And I also don't understand why the Ukrainian who helped "Vesna" didn't warn the girls that they were walking on fragile ice with crocodiles under it. Perhaps this Ukrainian has lived for a long time outside the cultural environment of Ukraine (emigrated as a child?) or lived her life and did not pay much attention to politics. Because a knowledgeable person also warned against using clown-like clothing in Ukrainian-related song (Russians in their culture often portray caricature Ukrainians in ridiculous wide pants and red cheeks and girls with artificial flowers in their hair and wide smile). For comparison, it is like "black face" for Ukrainians
@@Yara-ox5my thank you, you said what I felt, but could not articulate
@@pokomi9141 It's a kneejerk reaction. putin used the word "brotherly nations" so much since 2014 that we literally associate the word "brother" with being repeatedly raped, tortured and killed. A diminutive of "brothers," "Bratushki", is one of the mockeries we use to refer to russians. Ironically, to clap back. Another is "myshebratia", sounds like mouse-brothers, mocking russian phrase of "but we are brothers", "my zhe bratia". Personally, I didn't get that immediate association with Vesna when watching semi-finals because they only sang "sister," "sestra," which isn't a word russians often use when it comes to describing colonies.
And yeah, good they changed clothing to pink tracksuits and Bianca Belair-style braids because the looks of everyone except for Bulgarian girl in the VIDEO, it DOES look like a caricature. There's also the thing that many people in Ukraine DESPISE Slavo-philia as something primitive, and we see "generic matryoshka with red cheeks" look as ultra-nationalistic russian gear deserving of mockery... Imagine Jews seeing someone in SS uniform but The Producers version. You'd pause to process it and then try to process whether someone making fun of them, or legitimately being a Slav neo-Nazi (Google Image search "kokoshnik fans", Poe's law).
Maybe a minor detail, but the Czech Republic wants to be officially refered to as "Czechia" since 2016. They got through their proposal to the EBU and will be officially "Czechia" from 2023 onwards in regards of Eurovision and other events.
Yeah, we heard about this only after we recorded. Next year we'll go with the new name!
@@overthinkingit i thought you guys czeched that fact already. well, at least you could edit the thumbnail ^^;
Good point - I just did!
@@MyBroSux24 'Czeched' that fact. I see what you did there. If only it hadn't taken me three hours to notice though.
Wait a minute. The Czech people already accepted Czechia as an option for their country’s name? 😲
Love this! I was really curious about the meaning of this song beyond the lyrics and this is exactly the in-depth content I was looking for
Thank you for this video.
I watched the ESC for the first time in years and this was one of the few songs I really enjoyed.
Well done, this is probably the most intelligent channel focussing on Eurovision.. 🥰 It's a funny coincidence that you used sources by some of my former teachers here at Leipzig University.. 😄
I think it's worth mentioning that there is also the concept of Euro-Slavism which seeks to bring together all Slavic nations (excluding Russia) in the framework of European integration.. In the context of Eurovision, where next to Ukraine five other Slavic countries (but not Russia) and several other ones with strong Slavic minorities (Austria, Germany, UK..) take part, this would also be a suitable interpretation..
Unrelated to this specific video, but it sure is a breath of fresh air to hear an Anglophone confronted with non-English names and not just going "haha I'm probably gonna butcher this" (and then, in fact, doing so) but actually making an effort to pronounce them correctly.
I don't understand the people claming it's "splitting pro-Ukraine vote", like... Is winning the contest twice in a row really gonna stop the war or help the victims ?
As much as My Sister's Crown was a hit, few people realize how much hate and abuse these girls had (even death threats). They made this song as a response ruclips.net/video/dN31JJHPB-E/видео.html and the Czech part says:
Hey, Mom, sometimes it's hard around here
♪ Hey, Mom, sometimes I'm sick of everything ♪
Hey, Mom, you raised me nice
Hey, Mom, thanks, Mom, hey
Hey, Mom, sometimes it's hard around here
Hey, Mom, sometimes people are mean
♪ Hey Mom, the world is ruled by Czech girls ♪
Hey Mom, thanks Mom, hey
Would be nice to see a review of this song as well and to highlight the abuse online from faceless people (like the purple faceless creature soming out of that mirror making the girl infront of it see her self as ugly and doubt herself)
i really like that you explain the meaning behind the songs.
I got the message of the song from day one, I'm not even slavic but I feel what they meant in this amazing song. In my top10 for all this and more. I hope it successes in Liverpool 💖
Never expected Eurovision song’s explain video id listen as a philosophic lecture. No words. Awesome. Thx
I love the Re volutions Podcast shoutout
I'm always in awe of how well researched and scripted these videos are. 💪
Also, are you still doing a video on the UK's song. Now we have their running order position, that should give some extra potential for analysis.
Thank you for the kind words. Gotta be honest, the UK song isn't grabbing me. Just seems like a fine, normal pop song to us. But pitch us, what are the interesting angles there?
I had a (over) thought that it's a song for the manifesting generation..... instead of Doing anything she wrote a song, and not a great one half the words are missing da da da da. The angle is how the UK team try but don't try at the same time, ...quite a feat.
Why hasn't the youtube algorithm recommended me this before? I hope you'll continue next year!
Lol, all of the authors from 8:44 were my teachers and one of them is my bachelor thesis supervisor right now. Good selection of sources my man & great video. Greetings from 🇨🇿
I hate so much that Putin took the roots of a good thing and twisted it until it became bad.
The Idea that Slavic Countries work together, in unity, as a force for good... that is a _good_ Idea. And it is different from "My Way or the High Way" a.k.a. there are no Slavic Countries, only minirussias, which is what he brings to the table.
And I get Ukrainians feeling Enmity towards any russian. I do really. It must be hard to feel like someone is supporting you when the people who speak the same language are bombing your home. But I can only implore you to not let hate corrupt your heart. I live in germany, and we have many russian immigrants, most of which are horrified at what they are seeing. I am a Vocal coach and one of my Pupils is a russian-german woman in her 40s. She has been immensly stressed 6theses last few months, and sometimes she felt like she could not talk to people because her accent gave her away and people were horrible to her.
This isn't the way. You do not choose the country you were born in. Believe me, as a german, I _know_ the stigma of being born in a certain country. But we are not where we are born and the Russian member of Vesa is clearly anti Putin. So please, keep your heart open, especially for members of the russian public who come over to the right side. it is a bloddy and long march there and it is incredibly hard, but there are people who are willing to take it.
This video was so funny and quirky while being suoer informative, your personality and delivery is incredible, I don't know how you managed to make a video about such a deep topic so deep and informative yet so witty, 10/10
As a Balkan Slav I can completely understand why people are suspicious of pan-slavism and I am glad you addressed this since it is pretty niche in grand scheme things. Pan-Slavism in political policy I am not so sure about (as in officially uniting countries into one) since the Slavic world is incredibly diverse, however as a general attitude I think it definitely something that should be reclaimed from Putin's greed.
I've talked with my best friend whose parents were Croatian and Serbian and she seemed to have similar sentiments. As a general attitude there's a sense of cultural connection between the Slavic nations, while all retaining their individual identities. It all just goes to show the wonderful diversity of Slavic culture and unifying it all would take away from that.
Just imagine him talking about Georgia’s song’s lyrics😂
Felicidades por su arduo trabajo. Siempre esperando con grandes expectativas cual será el siguiente video
OMG, the absoulutely best analysis! Sooooooo goooooood U are! 😉
This is the Best year for sestra krasiva
Okay, thank you! I saw people upset over this song and I couldn’t understand the reasoning. I really think this song slaps tbh
Don't forget that we czechs are totally pissed at Russia because of Soviet Invasion in 1968. This historical moment ruined our parent's and grandparent's lives for 30 years. We can totally relate when we see Ukraine nowadays. So yeah this is our sisterhood.
And of course Slovaks are our siblings forever ❤😀
As a Czech the "peace" message is iffy to me. "I want to peace" is often used for prorussian people. Infamously presidential canditate Babis said he would not help Poland if they are attacked.... because he wants "peace". This Saturday people shouted "we want peace" in the heart of Prague. Some with "Z"s and Wagner group patches on their jackets. Then they attacked cars with Ukrainian number plates... and tried to storm National Museum Capitol style... just cause it displays Ukrainian flag.
As a Czech, panslavism is icky to me, given our history with russia.
Thank you for your message! It is exactly why Ukrainians consider such messages about "peace" or "chose love over power" to be dangerous in the current situation. Also the next slogan can be: "We have to stop this war, no matter what it costs Ukraine. Why don't Ukrainians give their lands to Russia to end the war."
Yea, I get that. But I think its better if we take pan-slavism away from Putins hands this way. We can feel connected over being slavic, but that doesnt mean Russia can dictate shit to us.
But I personally feel like the message in the song is clearly pro ukrainian and the "choose love over power" and "peace" is more meant towards russians than ourselves.
@@irynasanna6013 That's interesting, because for me (being Polish) that part clearly refers to Russia - it is this sister that had been led astray by her lust for power, and she should choose love over this power to be allowed back into the pack.
It's basically telling Russia it is now in the sisterhood purgatory until it learns how to behave and treat our other sister - the one that is brave, unique, and no one has a right to take her crown away - better. This sister is clearly Ukraine, and this is the one the band expressed support for.
Also, in both the Czech and Polish historical traditions, the crown is clearly a metaphor for political independence, as both struggled with getting one and becoming a kingdom, i.e. independent from the meddling by the German emperors. I am not sure how evident this metaphor is for Ukrainians, though, as their national symbol is the trident.
@@berlineczka The problem is that it's a controversial song about a painful topic. Everyone can understand it differently due to different personal experiences. There are a lot of controversial symbols in the song and the video. Each of them separately would not cause such negative reaction. But when they are all together in one place we have what we have. My personal point of view is that if you address your song to somebody, first of all, you have to check that this audience will understand it correctly.
If we talk about the "peace" message, it is not clear from the song that the message is addressed only to Russia. It is your personal interpretation based on your world view. A lot of people who supports Putin also ask for peace. But they see differently how to achieve this peace. I don't say that Vesna one of them. I'm just trying to show that in the current situation this message does not show absolute support for Ukraine.
Also a lot of Russians like this song because they interpret it in their own way.
@@berlineczka no russia should be annihilated, not to choose love, it's to late for this bullshit. russia will never be loved in Ukraine for sure
Even though due to corruption we won't see him in Liverpool, could you do an Overthinking ep on Gladiator by Jann?
Ohhh yes please! Greetings from the Netherlands, please do this!
I see a lot of pop-folk in Eastern Europe this year. I'd say the reason is the east is showing the west what their cultures are, so next time big Put In says "X Slavic Country is just an extension of Russian land" we'll know the difference
as always, just too good and too enjoyable. Glad you're back guys!
Do "Blood and Glitter"
Maybe, it's on the bubble.
There's much to overthink....and laugh on Edgar and streaming platforms.
Well you're a Starmania superfan, you must be thrilled to see those two teaming up to slay like that! Actually, if you want to consult on a script email me at belinkie at overthinkingit dot com, you seem like a real expert on those ladies.
Love your work! On this song, don't you think "you can't steal our souls" is a pretty clear reference to 1944, "Don't swallow my soul, our souls"?
the first lyric is not "tie her down" but that she wo'nt let anyone braid her hair
So nobody is gonna comment on the Stranger Things bit, huh?
I lost it as soon as you said "Hawkins, Indiana", definitely wasn't expecting a Vecna reference! 😂👏🏻
Ok, i'm in love with this channel, thank you. Wish you thousands of subscribers
"this song is about feminism against patriarchy"
Well, it's about one patriarch, that's for sure
We are Domi was the best by a long shot
It's interesting how even smart people from the West thinks propaganda flows only one way. Also not noticing their own ingrained bias against for example Slavs. I would love if this song was truly Pan-Slavic and not another propaganda prop for whichever side. True Pan-Slavism would seek a true sovereignty, that is based primarily on self-respect and dignity that doesn't require anyone's clap or approval.
What makes you think that Ukrainians want pan-Slavic version of Third Reich instead of being friendly with Baltic, Nordic, Benelux and Caucasian countries, plus UK and US instead? Poland and Czech Republic are fine, but why would we WANT to be in some weird white supremacist Slav cult instead of being closer to countries WE WANT instead?
Amazing analysis ❤
Vesna 's song is absolutely beautiful
I thought this was a really well-written feminist anthem at first, but I guess I got it wrong :(
Still a good song that deserved better though :)
Amazing, interesting and fascinating video!
Many thanks!
All Ukrainian eurofans I know loved this song so much. I’m aware, many of them criticise Vesna, but I don’t think it was majority of them
To be honest I find this song beautiful, and true how most of Slavs feel about the war in Ukraine, in Poland is plenty Russian and Belarusian people who didn't had life in their countries as they are strongly disagree with Putin and Lukaszenko. They suffer a lot in their countries of origin - some of them even tortures, but their lives in Poland aren't easier. Backlash from Polish nationalists, sometimes even physical attacks are frequent. My hear ache when I see everyday those mass of refuges, and still remember about atrocities my great grandparents and grandparents suffer during the WWII. And crimes committed by Putin troupes in Ukraine very much represent cruelty of soviet ''svoloch'' from 1930-1953. Russian leaders didn't change an inch since about 400 years. Yes, WWII didn't finish for eastern Europeans in 1945.
amazing high quality content, rooting for you and ur sub count :DD
Excellent analysis!
Excellent work! Thank you ...
It feels like people don't understand what Pan-slavism actually was. Back then all the smaller slavic nations were under the rule of different nations. We were facing the threat of our culture and languages being erased. I'm not joking, btw, for us under the Habsburg monarchy there was a mandatory Catholicism and our children in school were tought in german as opposed to their mothers tongue. And people who were actively fighting against that ended up dead, imprisoned or in exile. Pan-slavism was then introduced as a way to fight the oppression - together as one. It's literally the same reason why it was Czechoslovakia that formed after the WWI and not Czechia and Slovakia. Because there were (and to this day still are some) territorial disputes over the land (see what happened during WWII to Czechoslovakia) and two nations would be stronger in fighting against it than each on their own. Pan-slavism didn't came out of some kind of beliefs about slavic supremacy, but out of necessity to survive. The way Putin now uses Pan-slavism is different. Back then it was "we're family, we should do this together," now it is "we're family, that means I own you." It's not small nations fighting against the oppression of bigger nation, it's the bigger nation annexing the smaller one under the claim of sharing a culture and history. Which is not anything new under the sun, it happened already in the Eastern Block, back then it was the Soviet Russia silencing any national sovereignity movements. Czechs and Slovaks being the target of the 1968s invasion. And Ukraine isn't the only country affected by this "new" idea of Pan-slavism, it's just the first country in the line. If Ukraine falls, the others are next. This song is a reminder that smaller slavic nations have to fight together once more to survive, it is a wake up call.
Re argument #1. A very big percentage of Russian population is actually well aware and supportive of the war. I'll say more, it's not the first war they're aware of and supportive.
From the minority that might actually disagree, did we see ANY meaningful attempt of doing anything against theirs country's politics throughout more than a year of war? Any moment we could recall and say, man they were so close, or wow, they really did something there? Apart from very few selfless individuals, most of them are ok with what's going on as long as it doesn't thouch them directly (how many Russians left the country in response to starting the open war vs how many after they became at risk for mobilisation). Some sisterhood song is not going to flip their wordview
This sociological reality os also why some Ukrainians don't appreciate glorification of the 'good' Russians. The narrative of sisterly nation is very harmful in our context. This stereotype often makes foreigners (who oftentimes haven't dealt with Russia very closely) think it's just one dictator's fault, and simple people are so close While its the simple people who let this happen and who devotedly does the job. Its not an army of Putin's clones, its the simple people.
If you listen to what Russian opposition says beyond the unspecific "no war" posts on social media, you'll see that they have the same imperialist ambition towards Ukraine but prefer different methods.
It's important to recognise everyone's blame in the crimes, and its important to understand that the whole Russian society came to this state of waging wars not just one man. All too often we hear about how Russians actually disagree with Putin, at the very time when Russians continue doing their part in this war, for a long time now.
Thanks you, very interesting analysis
Amazing explanation and video!
Please do Germany as well, there is so much to this song ❤
Vesna is currently my number two, I love the song a lot.
And I love how you explain things, you deserve so much more attention!
Sorry, I don't think we're going to get to a full video about Germany. Current plan is Serbia, Austria, Finland, and Sweden. With a couple of surprises mixed in.
Una visión de la canción que no había logrado captar, acerca de esa "hermandad" de los países eslavos; sí me pareció que la canción presenta un mensaje pro Ucrania, al conocer los países y lenguajes que incluye la canción, pero esos detalles son los que enriquecen la cultura de alguien que ve el concurso desde tan lejos. Salud y saludos desde Venezuela!!!!
A vision of the song that he had not been able to capture, about that "sisterhood" of the Slavic countries; It did seem to me that the song presents a pro-Ukrainian message, knowing the countries and languages that the song includes, but those details are what enrich the culture of someone who sees the contest from so far away. Blessings and greetings from Venezuela!!!!
Wow! What an insight!
Bravo!! Awesome analysis
Will New York Matt and Mark be hosting a party at The Liberty in NYC this year?
Will Los Angeles Matt, his wife and the beagle be hosting a watch party also?
May we please get a speed round for the countries you haven't been able to cover?
what a good idea for a channell!!! def subbing :D
I am missing here amidst of the political analysis, a bit of the symbolism of the hand gesture against gender-based violence that is also panslavist and cross-border and which is also beimg strongly brought up.
Do Austria next please!
great video! You sound like Matt from UsefulCharts😌
👏🏻 excellent content, research, presentation, and channel. Sub’d
8:06 Начинает говорить о Славянском съезде 1848 года в Праге (Чехия), но показывает карту народов СССР (в границах с 1950-х годов). В съезде 1848 года русский народ и восточные славяне почти НЕ были представлены (были русины и Михаил Бакунин, но Бакунин не мог представлять русских, а русины в том момент в большинстве проживали в Австрийской Империи, а не в России).
Тут нужно отметить, что В. Путин вытащил идею объединения в общий концлагерь -- идеи Троцкого или имперские идеи Сталина, чем бы они не были замаскированы. Путин вытащил НЕ идею панславянизма и объединения славян. Сейчас Путин антирусский и антиславянский политик, вот это не должно ускользнуть от наблюдающего.
Thanks for reminding about 'Slavic girls', I was hoping everybody forgot about this long time ago... I am Polish and in 2014 I went abroad to study and almost every time someone learnt where I am from they were making a reference to this song and honestly it sucked 😅. Also I think the 1st place in UK and Ireland might be caused by a big number of Poles living there which allowed them to vote for Poland. This year I am sad again because I don't believe I will ever see my country sending a decent song to Eurovision 😆
Anyway it is really great analysis of Czech song. Will you talk about Serbia? And maybe Finland? These two are my favorites this year and I think they both have an interesting message.
Nice analysis. Please do Austria next!!!
Maybe not next but it's coming.
@@overthinkingit Awesome. That'll definitely take a lot of analysis. I'm excited to see it!
Loved this song
Is anyone accusing Let 3 of splitting the Ukraine support vote? They have an anti-Putin song too. I'm just curious.
Ok as an austrian I did not expect Metchicn to be name dropped in and anclais of the Check ESC song
Another point is how the song claims "you can't use your God against us". Russia and Ukraine have being in a religious war since 2018, with 2 Orthodox churches in Ukraine
As a Ukrainian, I'm still not sure about my attitude towards this song. The lyrics seem so well-intended and pro-Ukrainian, and I am not against the idea of sisterhood as the Slavic counties have been supporting Ukraine so much, but their music video is very controversial. They start it with the words "there once was peace in the Slavic kingdom", as if all the current political problems appeared out of nowhere and also they imply that russia is just the victim of some outer forces and is not responsible for the war.
Idea of their music video is exactly the same as in the Disturbed - Land of confusion. Girls symbolize countries, mens symbolize their governments. And single color is that they are all on the same side.
I hope Czechia wins... I really do - that was really well done by them!
I mean, the fact that the video was banned in Russia for me is evidence that this band is ok!
The 'splitting the votes' argument is stupid btw, it's like saying people will ONLY vote for Ukraine out of sympathy. Kroatia and Moldova also had pro-Ukrainian songs, Vesna wasn't the only one.
This clip isn't banned in Russia
One of the most important reasons why Ukrainian was suspicious about this song was the term "sister". In russia that's one of the biggest speculation. We always hear from them that we are sisters and brothers, that we are the brotherhood countries, that we just a little sister that doesn't know what would be better for her and just the older sister can help us. That's really traumatic to hear things like this now.
But what they said was not 'hey sister, listen up, give Russia your land, that'd be best."
They said; 'My beautiful sister, you are só strong. The one and only brave one. The crown is *yours.*
You gotta love how „Metternich“ was pronounced correctly, but „von“ wasn’t. It’s like „fon“
I honestly don’t get the mass-popular idea that Russian government and media are so controlling and manipulative. Governments of all countries show their citizens a tiny bit of information that’s kinda essential to know. Rest is hidden and is probably a concern of the government itself… Anyways, the idea of unity in the song is great ☮️
never thought a thorough breakdown of the political messages in a Eurovision song+video would slap me in the face with the reminder that American TV writers don't know how to make up fantasy villain names anymore. Anyway thank you for this video, this is exactly my niche