if you rescue enough poeple in frostland you will actually find you will have an abundance of poeple in the end, i had more poeple then i could put to work in the end of the main campaign
What I enjoy in this whole stage of the game is how it is a slide of idealism toward pragmatism, but the game constantly prods the player to discover for themselves just what their limits are. People are stealing food! What do we do? Someone is undermining hope! Chase them off? Someone is murdered, we found someone else! What to do with them? We found the food thief! But do we sentence them to death? Our guards are in dispute with a citizen with nothing to hide, who is right? The enemy is distributing false facts, shall we set the record straight? Only the most steadfast player will not slide a little, but only a few players will go all in for survival above all. That is what makes this such an interesting chapter.
I mean, I more or less put 2 and 2 together to realize "Hmmm, maybe Propaganda machines and torturing prisoners is a BIT excessive." and found out pretty quickly that having Guards, Patrols, and Prisons already provided all available options to handle situations peacefully.
I think the biggest problem is that I can pick order or Faith and then go in said tree one of two way. as of now (at launch) it in order. build police station and prison to house criminals. going down the tree we had propaganda office and ruthless authoritarian dictatorship. the thing is just the top of ether trees is not doing anything bad. peaple ask for security and an working court and laws. order should be able to provide it. it sort of does (it provides security in the form of guards but not a Court house and that is something that hurt a bit).
I'm pretty used to playing by sticking to my morals and being careful not to go as far as I really would in these situations. But when I _do_ cross the line, it's basically easy mode. If I'm going to go all the way, I'll do everything I must to ensure not only my city's survival, but their future as well. If the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few, I will take that to its fullest extreme.
The city and its people survived, but their humanity was buried in the snow. The city survived the storm, but can it survive the consequences of crossing the line? And more importantly, does it deserve to?
@@aturchomicz821 I do not see North Korea undoing its dictatorship anytime soon... and one could argue that New Order is worse than that and justified by the apocalypse.
Order only turns dark if you chose to let it, and faith is no different just like in real life two sides of the same coin... Neither is more innocent then the other, but Order makes more practical sense and looks much cooler then being a cultist nutcase.
I second that about the Order looking better. However, Order seems to get the short end of the stick, because you have to man the guardhouses with loads of people and they barely cover any ground compared to the house of prayers, which is sort of very unbalanced. But when it comes for choices either brings about what they seek to do, give purpose and a reason to carry on to the people and keep them from going back to London where it will mean certain death.
I never played with Faith only order,order is OP as F the agitators have a huge impact on efficiency in my first two playthroughs i was literally swimming in resources the patrol and leaflets kept the people in their places and i even got the good ending
order is very manpower intensive imho, it overall has some slightly better production bonuses than the faith tree, but the amount of people needed to keep it up can be really taxing, specially early. and also indeed often going all the way down either tree is usually not worth it... except adaptation, cuz who doesn't like some booze in their soup?
Faith focuses more on keeping the people healthy, hopeful and in condition to work at all times, hence the field kitchens and houses of healing that don't require engineers and steam cores. Shrines can be acquired early and increases the production a great deal just as much as agitators, however you don't have foremen so it limits the potential of the production of the automatons or people, but it makes it so the people are more useful to have working during the day. The downside of Faith, is that you need the faith keepers to act as the guards to quell certain events peacefully.
i'd say in certain way faithkeepers are actually a bonus as they are only one squad of fanatics rather than several watchmen squads, however faithkeepers arrive rather late in the law tree and i think they do count as "crossing the line".
Honestly if our world actually did come to an end and life had to be in small groups totalitarianism would be the only way to provide hope and stamp out defiance
I would think not all but some groups with strong leaders may do that while others would subscribe to older ideals or republics and other states. However the main group handles issues however would lead to some outcome and those that don’t work to keep people alive will die. As long as it works to keep people alive then a regime will live and it likely some totalitarian regimes would survive however some could fall to internal strife or an incompetent leadership. What matters in the case of survival is proper direction and coordination. If you can achieve that to obtain what you need to survive your golden.
The only 2 things you need from order are the towers and prisons. It's doable without much effort with just these if you want to get the ending where everyone survives
Whenever I do Order, I never go beyond Prisons. Propaganda Centers, despite being a viable means to create an information distribution network in the city, still feels too authoritarian for my tastes. And of course, "Forceful Persuasion" is just a WEEEEE bit dickish when you're already locking people up for possibly only having a differing opinion from your own.
Ive always felt as if Religion and faith were much easier and effective ingame. But this theme and the merciless orders sounding thru the agitators are much cooler than the depressing religion music
*GLORY TO OUR LEADER! NOW GET TO WORK!*
C’mon lads! Let’s march to work!
WORK SHIFT IS OVER ! TURN IN UR TOOLS AND RETURN TO UR QUARTERS. PHRASE BE OUR GLORIOUS LEADER !
OUR CAPTAIN SEES!
OUR CAPTAIN GUIDES!
@@hewithahat7580 phrase?
Piotr Wójcik
EARN YOUR BREAD!
WORK!
“A new day begins! Praise our glorious leader!”
Work is a virtue ! praise our great leader !
Slackers will be severely punished
“Glory to the city!”
Love hearing this as the children go to the mines
Yas child labor is de best
I actually send them to practice medicine or engineering. You need professional labour work at the end.
if you rescue enough poeple in frostland you will actually find you will have an abundance of poeple in the end, i had more poeple then i could put to work in the end of the main campaign
@@theepicjoey3215 so true
I don't think children can die when on safe jobs so early on it's a ok law.
What I enjoy in this whole stage of the game is how it is a slide of idealism toward pragmatism, but the game constantly prods the player to discover for themselves just what their limits are.
People are stealing food! What do we do?
Someone is undermining hope! Chase them off?
Someone is murdered, we found someone else! What to do with them?
We found the food thief! But do we sentence them to death?
Our guards are in dispute with a citizen with nothing to hide, who is right?
The enemy is distributing false facts, shall we set the record straight?
Only the most steadfast player will not slide a little, but only a few players will go all in for survival above all. That is what makes this such an interesting chapter.
I mean, I more or less put 2 and 2 together to realize "Hmmm, maybe Propaganda machines and torturing prisoners is a BIT excessive." and found out pretty quickly that having Guards, Patrols, and Prisons already provided all available options to handle situations peacefully.
when someone stole food i decided to boil them alive as punishment. then 30 minutes later i realized i only had children working in the kitchens
I think the biggest problem is that I can pick order or Faith and then go in said tree one of two way.
as of now (at launch) it in order.
build police station and prison to house criminals.
going down the tree we had propaganda office and ruthless authoritarian dictatorship.
the thing is just the top of ether trees is not doing anything bad. peaple ask for security and an working court and laws. order should be able to provide it.
it sort of does (it provides security in the form of guards but not a Court house and that is something that hurt a bit).
**laughs nervously when like 89 people died due to trying to leave my city* ha..
I'm pretty used to playing by sticking to my morals and being careful not to go as far as I really would in these situations.
But when I _do_ cross the line, it's basically easy mode. If I'm going to go all the way, I'll do everything I must to ensure not only my city's survival, but their future as well. If the lives of the many outweigh the lives of the few, I will take that to its fullest extreme.
when you feel like going to the arctic and starting a new nation based around mining and huge generators
Generators, technically are just giant pumps
Crossed the Line just to hear this soundtrack in the City.
Then line was not crossed.
@@strzelec01234 it was
@@strzelec01234 exactly
You still can hear this line without crossing the line.@@romeodarcq6132
All crews, turn over your tools ! The shift is ending !
Shifts ending? Not if I have anything to say about it.
@@mismatchedfox5397 "foreman short at Automaton"
"The boldest measures are the safest" comes to mind listening to this.
God I love coming across dishonored references
By order of our great leader the work shift starts
Work is virtue, praise our great leader!
@Catalyst all crews turn over you're tools the sihft is over glorie to our great leader
Only Order can save us...
Actually, this music plays when you sign the highest law of both order and Faith (New Faith, New Order)
Faith has a different track
True
@@Wandrative it's "The Sheperd"
Vitmar Tobby The Shepherd is played much before, once you go over the Faith Keepers.
The city and its people survived, but their humanity was buried in the snow. The city survived the storm, but can it survive the consequences of crossing the line? And more importantly, does it deserve to?
Its not like the Universe cares, newer Generations will propably un-sign some of them back anyway
But More Importantly..
Was Is It Worth It?
In the end it will humanity above all nothing is sacred in the universe so we need to survive whit all we have
@@theblue5224 40K comes to mind on that front. where the only sacred thing is the God emperor of mankind and even that's a stretch.
@@aturchomicz821 I do not see North Korea undoing its dictatorship anytime soon... and one could argue that New Order is worse than that and justified by the apocalypse.
Order only turns dark if you chose to let it, and faith is no different just like in real life two sides of the same coin... Neither is more innocent then the other, but Order makes more practical sense and looks much cooler then being a cultist nutcase.
I second that about the Order looking better. However, Order seems to get the short end of the stick, because you have to man the guardhouses with loads of people and they barely cover any ground compared to the house of prayers, which is sort of very unbalanced.
But when it comes for choices either brings about what they seek to do, give purpose and a reason to carry on to the people and keep them from going back to London where it will mean certain death.
I never played with Faith only order,order is OP as F the agitators have a huge impact on efficiency in my first two playthroughs i was literally swimming in resources the patrol and leaflets kept the people in their places and i even got the good ending
order is very manpower intensive imho, it overall has some slightly better production bonuses than the faith tree, but the amount of people needed to keep it up can be really taxing, specially early.
and also indeed often going all the way down either tree is usually not worth it...
except adaptation, cuz who doesn't like some booze in their soup?
Faith focuses more on keeping the people healthy, hopeful and in condition to work at all times, hence the field kitchens and houses of healing that don't require engineers and steam cores. Shrines can be acquired early and increases the production a great deal just as much as agitators, however you don't have foremen so it limits the potential of the production of the automatons or people, but it makes it so the people are more useful to have working during the day.
The downside of Faith, is that you need the faith keepers to act as the guards to quell certain events peacefully.
i'd say in certain way faithkeepers are actually a bonus as they are only one squad of fanatics rather than several watchmen squads, however faithkeepers arrive rather late in the law tree and i think they do count as "crossing the line".
this theme gives off the vibe of "We are oppressed and we all hate it, but stay proud because it's all we got!"
C’mon lads! Let’s march to work!
FOR ORDER!
Glory to Winter Arstotzka!
apeturesci 4 Kolechia! 🔥
Papers please..
@@SoyKhalid
* gives him the papers * Here you go...
Imagine finding this in a "For children" playlist.
it's true though....
Way too true..
Orders people, lets march to work
In a nutshell, steampunk ingsoc
They can't see in through your windows if they're all frozen over, right?
@@MastaaaGaming right?
Citzen touch your toes you can try harder than that!
You're citizens can't rise up against you, if they've all lost their legs to frostbite.
The Thinkpol are always watching, Citizen.
Is it weird that this song plays in my head every time I think about how hot it is these days?
*Glory to the EBEN`GRAD!!* ave Wolf, deus Generator
Слава ебеньграду!!!
Глори ту зе Э-БЭН-ГРАД
Слава кэпу вульфу за суп с опилками
ORDER IN THE COURT!!!
hmm.... it actually fits
kuaikukia who needs a court when we have our great leader
My gulag just got 1000% cooler.
all the colonists are kulaks 100% confirmed
Pimp my gulag
Cooler ? Such a fitting word.
Чё ты там спизданул про ГУЛАГ? Извинить щас же, а то Блять супом из опилок накормим, и в шахтах въёбывать будешь!
60 degrees cooler.
I usually dont listen to game soundtracks unless I'm playing the game so if I listen to a games soundtrack constantly I KNOW it's a good soundtrack
I hope more people have heard this than Faith
1:55
Great moment!
Thats also my fav part
+
Such a great game, only a few changes and replayablity would skyrocket
I had hopped on for a few minutes yesterday and noticed more variation in some of the buildings, I guess it's time for a replay.
Glory to the leader! no room for the weak! work force and order!
Can't wait for the sequel
For the Order and our Great Leader ONLY THEY CAN SAVE US FROM IT!
I like how the forefront instruments resemble marching. Dun, dun-dun, dun. Dun dun dun, dun, dun.
The feeling when you beat a new home mission for the first time after reading a lot of in-game folks comments(I guess).
Is it just me, or does running this track at 1.25 speed sound equally good to the vanilla?
Dude, yes.
Russian version
Ok 2 years later, but yes. Most certainly.
Yes
+
By order of our great leader, work shift is over, now march to your quarters!
"Work makes you free."
I love this for 2020 theme
*.."Наш лидер приказал нам работать. Тунеядцы будут жестоко наказаны!"..*
Ленивый Кот ахах у игры есть такой русификатор?
@@hyperborealiss ага, "прохождение от happy wolf" называется
Ленивый Кот ок спс
"По приказу нашего великого лидера рабочая смена окончена. Возвращайтесь в свои квартиры!"
"Не жили хорошо, так нех@р начинать"
©Кэп Вульф
So baiscly we all went and became dictators?
...
Neat!
a plea of innocence in my court is guilty of wasting my time. the punishment for the crime of wasting my time is DEATH. GUILTY!
*HAIL (insert player nickname here)*
(Bigsby!)
ALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS LEADER: BOB!
HAIL EATTHATPUSSY445
HAIL MOSLEY
All hail the mighty leader, TIM!
Sounds like a regime change
ORDER GIVE US STRENGTH
Praise our GLORIOUS LEADER !!!
NOW MARCH TO WORK!!
Yes 🗣️
Honestly if our world actually did come to an end and life had to be in small groups totalitarianism would be the only way to provide hope and stamp out defiance
Nah
to be honest in the far future if we're not all dead a totalitarian state would probably control everything
@@aturchomicz821 yes
I would think not all but some groups with strong leaders may do that while others would subscribe to older ideals or republics and other states. However the main group handles issues however would lead to some outcome and those that don’t work to keep people alive will die. As long as it works to keep people alive then a regime will live and it likely some totalitarian regimes would survive however some could fall to internal strife or an incompetent leadership. What matters in the case of survival is proper direction and coordination. If you can achieve that to obtain what you need to survive your golden.
Glory to the people’s republic of London! Let’s march to work!
nice Remix*edit bro BRAVO
Order can become the Terror of the day.
Am...Am I a Dictator?
Yes .
Yes
I dont like city building games, but Frost punk is so different
yes my childs, work and work, don't let me regret by accepting twice the food.
Raise your tools people, there is plenty to do.
The only 2 things you need from order are the towers and prisons. It's doable without much effort with just these if you want to get the ending where everyone survives
GLORY TO OUR SUPREME CAPTAIN! GET TO WORK!
ALL HAIL GRAND CHIMNEY
damn there is no 1 Hours version of this soundtrack :(
Make it into a play list
When you gone for fascism or communism in full to survive the storm lol
Whenever I do Order, I never go beyond Prisons. Propaganda Centers, despite being a viable means to create an information distribution network in the city, still feels too authoritarian for my tastes. And of course, "Forceful Persuasion" is just a WEEEEE bit dickish when you're already locking people up for possibly only having a differing opinion from your own.
this man right here, Lord Commissar
You talk ill of the glorious captain unfortunately for you I signed a pledge of loyalty I going have to turn you in
@@friendlyneighbourhoodspace1421 GLORY TO ARE CAPTAIN
1. Neighborhood wacth
2. Morning gatherings
3. Foreman
4. Guard stations
5. Patrol
6. prison
7. Propaganda center
8. Pledge of loyalty
All I chose
@@employervizor1559agitator?
What is this? My mines are freezing over and I need to send people to fix it!
Send the children in, they’re small and can weave through cave ins
Glory to our new Leader! Now march to work!
Ive always felt as if Religion and faith were much easier and effective ingame. But this theme and the merciless orders sounding thru the agitators are much cooler than the depressing religion music
Ahhh. Free at last.
Long live the captain!
Brass yourselves! The storm will only get worse!
Ah yes, march to the mine my children for the glorious leader needs coal.
Come, comrades! We must work harder!
I heard this after i finished "new home" with order as law
Mainly the beginning
-Imagine signing Forceful Persuasion or
Pledge of Loyalty🤔
*This post was made by Social Democrat Gang*
In Kyiv now -20C, snow all around, walk down the street and listen to this track
Yakutsk -60 (the most common weather in winter)
The city must survive but at what cost?
Brave New World
1984
OBEY
Order
It's not unofficial though, this is the brave new world ost
1984
Just how much are you willing to throw into a furnace to keep yourself and your loved ones warm and healthy? And I'm not talking about coal or wood.
Soviet correctional labor camps be like:
Interesting.
I literally name my city Nikigrad because my name is Nick
Another day of labour in the name of God, oops wrong place
Was it really worth it?
Yes.
Yes
Эхх... опять в шахты. Слава Хеппи Вульфу!!
Это рабочий гимн
This song is great o esta cancion esta excelente
EL ORDEN NOS DARÁ FUERZA
BRING ME THE RAM
За Ебеньград!!!!!
Это гимн Ебен'града, а теперь за работу бездельники будут наказаны
United Kingdom 2020
So Stalinist Russia
Well kinda
Nah bri”ish