Yes but on a binge I recommend skipping from “Clear” straight to this episode. It makes it such a better episode. My favorite episode in the whole series.
I think this creator has even said that before. It should have probably been like Here's Negan and been at the end of the season. Or even has someone else here said, probably just an episode or 2 later wouldn't have been as bad, just bad placement for a great episode
Fun fact: the actor who played Eastman appeared in a film in 2000 called "Walking The Dead" and as far as I can tell is the only actor in history to appear in The Walking Dead AND Walking The Dead 😂
i hated this episode when i first watched it. simply because it switched away from our main group. looking back i think this episode was beautiful for giving morgan a complete arc, it gave us so many callbacks and revelations to other moments, i feel it was overshadowed simply because of the timing of its release. looking back, i actually would say it’s within my top ten favourite episodes simply for its justice to morgan.
It’s a good episode in a vacuum, but it’s bad in the context of the entirety of the franchise considering they retread the EXACT same arc for Morgan a dozen more times over the course of TWD and FTWD
I remember my dad and I watching this and quickly realizing it wouldn't answer glen's situation, my whole family watched all of "Lost" together as a regular family night thing so we were totally used to this lol. I was honestly so excited to see Morgan's story and how he changed, how he learned from Eastman. I get people's annoyance but I always liked Morgan so ANYTHING about him at the time I was totally up for.
Easily one of the best scores of all the Walking Dead. The music not only fits perfectly for the theme and tone of the episode, but in general its one of the few walking dead episodes that still makes me burst into tears. I also like the perspective from this episode. So often in zombie apocalypse media characters almost always choose to kill others who have wrong them, where as here Morgan chose the path of peace. Hell, Aikido basically states to never kill anyone, no matter how evil they are, which in the apocalypse is a pretty ballsy move since everything and everyone could and would kill you
This was probably one of the most touching episodes in the series for me. I know people won't agree, but I kinda like the slow down from the whole action packed Alexandria plot. It felt like a breather to watch it. It was emotional, touching, meaningful and beatiful. It not only contributed to the lore of Morgan, but it felt actually really touching to me in real life, I felt at peace watching it. :)
@@doggolovescheese1310it’s more popular now but I think it was considered controversial at the time so Thrifty’s not wrong. You’ve gotta remember that during a live viewing of the walking dead, you got one episode per week and every 8 episodes, they’d break for like 4 months until the next 8. If you watched this live during the sheer insanity of what was happening at Alexandria at the time it may have felt a bit underwhelming given you had to wait a week for the next one. Personally though, I loved this episode when it released and still do, it’s got a beautiful mini story to follow even if it was a diversion from the action at Alexandria. I can just see why some people were disappointed and I totally agree with Thrifty’s conclusion that it was controversial at the time.
My thought for the group's Crighton Dallas was Alpha. The Governor seemed like a normal guy with a wife and daughter before the apocalypse but Alpha seemed like she was pretty bad even early on. That being said, I don't think there is meant to be one specific person necessarily. If anything I feel like it more so suggests that the vast majority of bad people aren't truly evil like you mentioned.
I just couldn't stand this episode bc of its placing in the narration! It was not until my second watchthrough being binging twd with my bf, I got aware how great it actually is.
I had no idea this episode was hated by some, this episode is probably my favorite or at least top 3 favorite episodes of the series. I loved seeing how Morgan went from being crazy and lost to how he was then. Morgan is probably my favorite character in the series, I was completely okay with this episode being cut off from the rest of the series and appreciated it being longer than most episodes.
I didn't mind this episode too much when it aired, but it definitely broke pacing, especially when everyone was tense after 'Thank You.' I went back and rewatched it several times and it is definitely up there with one of my favorite TWD episodes ever. Morgan is a great character and explaining his time since 3:12 Clear was such a welcome. RIP to Eastman and Tabitha the goat. She was a real one. Love your channel so much! Keep up the good work. It makes me happy to relive my nostalgia for TWD.
This episode is one of my favorites in the entire series. I love Morgans Story and his struggle, Eastman was absolutely fantastic and his story heartbreaking.
i think i was so used to the weird pacing twd had adopted at this point that i actually managed to really enjoy this episode for what it was. it’s a beautiful story neatly wrapped up like a short film. what annoys me about it in hindsight is the fact they made morgan flipflop a bunch of times after this. it makes sense because if you care about people in the world of twd, you’re going to have to partake in violence to protect your people. i just feel like it could’ve been done better
I've been so excited for you to do a video on this episode! Morgan is one of my favourite characters in the whole series and I was so happy to see such a chill, deep, dialogue heavy episode explaining his journey. Here's Not Here is a super underrated episode. Love your content, keep up the good work!
I've always loved this episode. It was such a nice break from the action and such a peaceful episode, and Eastman was such a great character. Seeing Morgan finally overcome his demons was so satisfying.
This episode made me cry and really spoke to me on my first viewing. In fact, I thought it was so good that I even forgot about the action that happened in the previous one. Definitely a surprise but a welcome one
The ‘Here’s not Here’ episode is one of my favourite episodes of all time, just like the first ever episode of season 1. It had me hooked and I could relate to the character. What Morgan said in fear the walking dead season 4 “I lose people, and then I lose myself” really hit me because as humans it’s the way of life, you lose people and then you lose a part of yourself because those people you lost, shaped who you are as a person. Morgan lost his wife and his son and that drove him to insanity, well not fully insane. It’s one of the most heartbreaking episodes of the series.
I was definitely mad about this episode taking a left turn in season 6. But once season 6 wrapped and i gave it a rewatch i can honesty say its one of my top 5 episodes. Its so well written, Morgan and Eastman are such great characters. This episode also inspired me to start studying Aikido, The Art of Peace, like the characters.
Personally, this was one of my favorite episodes ever. It was so touching to me, even though I'm the type of guy to not show emotion. The only thing that hurt it was its placement.
when i first watched this episode and eastman took the wallet to write the names on the graves, it was refreshing to see someone remember that the walkers used to be people too, just like them but unfortunately didn’t survive the apocalypse. he reminded me a lot of hershel, just a genuinely good person that got stuck in this awful situation. morgan’s always been one of my favourite characters and seeing how he becomes comfortable with another person was so nice.
Just like a lot of season 7 and 8, this episode is kind of a pace breaker for the season. Really annoying when I watched it week by week, but one of my favorite episodes in a vacuum
So i wouldnt say necessarily that the governor is evil but instead was someone created amidst the chaos. If you read the woodbury book it accurately shows his transformation from this incredibly timid guy to the man we see in the show and also the fact that in the books the governor isnt really phillip but instead adopted his brothers name to become who he was in order to survive because it him that got penny killed as well as his brother. The governor is honestly one of the best descriptions of what people do in order to survive and lead others and honestly the governor is a mirror imagine of how rick started out as well.
It's possible I will end up giving too much credit to the writers here however I have recently undergone cognitive processing therapy for PTSD and 3 of the major symptoms you look for in PTSD are 1. Dreams and flashbacks of the traumatic event. 2. Feeling like you're in the event again and 3. Having a physical response like you're in it again. (this can be a racing heart, sweaty palms or even behaving like you are) so ironically if Morgan IS having flashbacks to such a degree he's behaving like he's in the situation again telling himself "Here's not here" is a good thing. He's trying to remind himself he's not in that situation.
Top 10-15 best episode in the entire series. EXTREMELY overlooked and underrated. Eastman is such an incredible character and Morgan getting some depth was necessary ❤
This is one of my favourite episodes but I only kept up with S1-4 as they were airing, everything after that I was marathoning at leisure. If I'd have still been on the weekly episodes train at this point I'm pretty sure I would've viewed it less favourably on a first pass because of the cliffhanger, and that would've been a big shame, because this is such a special episode both of TWD and of television in general. I suspect I'm not alone in this, I was in therapy for PTSD when I first watched this and it's so well-informed, so many of the details are very specific stages of learning to live with and heal from trauma. It would've been easy for this episode to feel like a "treating PTSD 101" slideshow but the writing and acting lets it unfold in a way that feels so measured and organic. The "reveal" that the cage was never actually locked, the way our expectations can get set in stone by trauma to a point where it doesn't occur to us to even consider that things can be different and the way we interpret the world can change was such an elegant way of showing something profound and relevant to a hell of a lot of people. Eastman firmly insisting Morgan practice his new physical skills even when he's deep in re-living his trauma was a particularly powerful and nuanced moment. It's awesome to see this episode getting the Thrifty Typewriter treatment and hope it inspires people to give it a re-watch and maybe view it a little more favourably. It deserves it.
@@mrsonaaaa5208 I can't claim to know how or why the writers chose the title specifically, other than it being something that Morgan says. From a mental health point of view, if you're traumatised by something then encounter something that triggers a memory or flashback of it, your brain and body can go into a state that comes from the original trauma. Your thoughts, actions and behaviours in the moment may be heavily influenced by your PTSD, even if the situation you're in is completely different or a long time after the original event. Flashbacks may be so intense they distract you or make you feel like you're re-living it. In a very real mental sense, you're somewhere else. "Here's not here" to me could be referencing the disorientation and fear of living in a dangerous world with unresolved trauma, as Morgan is at the start of the episode, but can become an affirmation when you're triggered or having flashbacks to remind yourself that even if you feel like you did in the original event, you aren't there any more and there is a real world still around you that you have some power in. But it's also very open to interpretation and part of why this episode is so fascinating and discussion-worthy.
Another awesome analysis video dude 🤘🔥, even though I haven't really seen any of TWD episodes past Season 1 watching these analysis videos are still really good
@@thethriftytypewriter nah it's true I haven't seen any TWD episodes past season 1 and I haven't even read the comics my only connection to TWD is the Telltale video games I love those games 😂😂🔥🔥
Beta was broken. Before the outbreak he was a completely different person but the death of his "friend" changed him and he was also influenced by the Alpha.
I never got to watch any of this show as it was airing, I binged the whole thing a year after it ended. With that in mind, when I got to this episode I thought it was one of the best in the entire show. I was not only perfectly fine with having to wait an episode’s worth of time to get back to the main plot, but I was so interested in what changed Morgan that this was an episode I wanted to see for the last three seasons and didn’t know it
It’s disgusting how harsh people were on this episode. Eastman was a bit too good of a person, even for me but you need a polar opposite to yourself to show you the the other side. Amazing episode
How is it disgusting people didn’t like filler put smack dap in the middle of one of the most intense season of the show? It should’ve been the premiere of season 6B or the second episode of season 6
@@seldomsane5278that character should have been killed , he caused all those deaths at alexandrea from letting the leader go free, then let those 3 from the attack go free which messed up the rv so they followed rick home, Morgan is the worst character of the entire show
This is my favorite episode of the series. It's actually my favorite episode of any series. I went through a depression and was suicidal for most of my life. I went through life making one destructive decision after another because I didn't care if I lived or died. It took a long time and a lot of therapy to overcome my own self-destructive nature. Like with Morgan's moral dilemma with the Wolves, every day can be a struggle for me and some days are better (or worse) than others. But what I loved most about this episode is that it showed us all what it means to be human. RIP Eastman
You could say Saviors Jared and David and maybe Whisperer Alpha (depending on her relationship with Lydia) were the Crighton Dallas Wilton of the show, too.
Also, one of my favorite moments encapsulating the dynamic between Morgan and Eastman when they’re first getting acquainted is when Eastman finally REVEALS to Morgan that his cell has been unlocked the whole time.
I would say for Morgan, though I haven’t seen fear The Walking Dead, I would say just in the main walking dead show his Creighton Dallas Wilton was Jared because like Eastman someone he cared for was killed though not for the same reasons but after that happened. Jared was not punished really at all and Morgan wanted him to suffer clearly because he gave up all life is precious and kills him by holding him in place and letting him get his back and neck eaten by walkers. Just like Eastman tortured Creighton Dallas Wilton, by starving him to death Morgan kills him the somewhat Opposite Way, by getting him eaten. Perhaps a poor take but the theory if you would call it that I guess sounded good in my head.😂😂😂
I'm just glad they didn't give this huge character building episode on Morgan only to kill him a couple episodes later like they did previous to this (like Beth)
Yeah but a lot of things they do get right if you think about it and put yourself in how you would even get a hold of armor or how you would make it? Not everybody knows how to make it or has the supplies to make it or has access to such things if you were truly living like this
Probably my favorite episode of the show. Such a phenomenal story without detracting from the source material at all. I really wish the rest of the show was like this
I started watching WD at season 9, so all this drama y’all when through watching it while it was available made it a completely different experience from me. I loved this episode, it was one of the most heart wrenching episodes to top heart wrenching episodes.
I wish this episode had been placed right after his encounter with Rick and Michonne to explain what happened to him and leave open the possibility for him to come back.
Honestly felt like yellowjackets. They do thus all the time. For example on season 2, ep 4 iirc, where at the end it is implied that adult Taissa is going to seek out Van, and after waiting the whole first season and nearly half of the second we were about to find out if Van was still alive and then instead of following up from that immediately, and jumping forward to their potential reunion, Tai spent the entire episode -roughly spanning TWO DAYS- on the road, driving, WALKING and hitchhiking her way to Van. They kept us on edge the entire episode, thinking we woukd find out every time we saw Taissa, only for her to just change her mode of transport. She took someone's car and drove all night in a trance. Then when she ran out of gas she decided to WALK across the state. Then eventually she hitchhiked onto the world's slowest truck and when she finally got to where she was heading, the episode cuts after two lines. And infuriatingly the entire next episode we barely get any of the exposition we so sorely need. Like what happened to them? Why did they drift away? We only find out if Van is alive. I'm trying not to spoil anything so being as vague as possible but basically this was TORTURE. It wasnt just one filler episode until we found out if this main character was alive; it was one and a half seasons! 😭
I usually skip this episode in rewatches. it makes me SO sad, like it literally makes my heart hurt. it's great storytelling and character development, but it just makes me too sad lol. great video!!
I actually liked this episode when it came out. Yeah it broke away from our main story, but it was still interesting. Granted, I was like 11 when the episode came out, and I loved the show with my whole heart and soul so nothing could disappoint me. Looking back now, I still love the episode. It’s so well made and Eastman is still one of my favorite one-time characters out of the whole TWD universe. We got a few callbacks to Eastman throughout Fear once Morgan became the lead, and every single time it made me happy
imo governor fits as someone broken along the way, he may have been too far gone but thats because of all that happened to him (being abused as a child, wife dying, daughter dying)
I love this episode, one of my favourites. It was a welcome change of pace for me, and it's pretty unique for the show. It also helps that Morgan is my favourite character.
Here after the Fear mid-season finale. The best bottle episode besides Here’s Negan. Man, what a character - he will be missed dearly. Hopefully we can get a reunion with Rick in the spinoffs, even if it’s as little as one scene. We need that small bit of closure I feel.
I loved morgan so I didn’t mind now Im watching feat the walking dead HATED it for a bit now I’m loving it. Yap from now on: I fucking loved the early seasons of it but once they leave mexico I hated they thing that happen the shows writing isnt very good but then morgan shows up but nick’s situation is annoying as hell but ay it’s chill once morgan morgans all over the place
This is one pf my personal favorite episodes of the show being a huge morgan fan. Im surprised it got so much hate. Morgan had some of the best character development in the whole show
I feel like morgan has DID and he just doesn't know it due to the mid season finale that he seems to not remember when he sees red. I guess that is just his trauma kick in and it is the most logical thing that he has
Ive always loved this episode. It's placement was predictable though, Gimple always sidetracks from the main story after about 3 episodes in the first half, then brings it back together for the midseason finale
Great episode terrible timing. Honestly amc’s ability to kill the golden goose is astounding. Obviously the show was never going to maintain a high of 17 million viewers but like it’s genuinely impressive how they burned through a lot good will with the fans and in trying to so desperately to keep the franchise going forever they instead quickened its demise. This episode really should have been brought in somewhere else
I really enjoyed this episode when it aired and going back I still thoroughly enjoy it. I’m all for back stories and character building and this episode nailed that.
I adore this episode on it's own. One of the best written, especially where dialogue is concerned. However, the placement was indeed atrocious. To make things worse, the resolution to Rick's cliffhanger was just lackluster. The placement of this episode was the moment I knew the boomerang style would never go away in TWD.
I loved this episode when it first aired, and I still love it. In fact I can say that this episode is easily one of my very favorite in the entire series.
I also think this episode is heavily disliked because it became indicative of how TWD would be moving forward. It was the first in step in the direction of taking multiple-episode-breaks between storylines.
The episode is great but the placement of it is beyond stupid by having it right after Glenn's fakeout death. It should've been the season premiere since season 5 ended with Rick and Morgan finally reuniting. But since Walking Dead is on a cable network, they need to have all the season premiers and finales be exciting for the sake of ratings regardless of whether or not the narrative suffers as a result. We see the negative effects of this again at the end of the season with the Negan cliffhanger.
The trend with alot of these older TWD episodes is that they work better in hindsight when you're binging the series, but at the time of release they totally ruined the pacing of the season and got tons of flak for it
I love this episode, but it should have been the season premiere. It would have give us the answers about Morgan we'd been asking for for years, which we were left in a great spot for in the season 5 finale, and set up a great cliffhanger for the season 6A arc.
I love this episode, the writing and character interaction is up there with seasons 1 & 2, and I think it compliments season 6 really well. It's a shame that the only real reason to dislike this episode is that it interrupts the pacing of the season because that problem literally only existed for one week back in 2015. Looking back, it's really good that they took their time to thoroughly develop one of the most important and interesting characters currently in the show, and it only saddens me more that they basically gave up on Morgan as a character in season 8. It's not like the pacing issue would even have been that bad if they didn't end the previous episode with Glenn "dying"
Have you ever read the governor novel, goes into the governors back story and how he became who he was, he started as a meek scared kid that didn't wanna kill walkers, and by the end he takes his brother's name and identity and becomes the governor we knew in the show and comic, he actually wears a Weezer t shirt in the book so he could very well actually be evil
Eastman letting crighton die was objectively bad but he did more good getting rid of an awful person before he could do any more evil in the post apocalypse
Without any spoilers, I'd like to suggest you watch some episodes of "The Drew Carey Show" if you want to enjoy the full range of John Carroll Lynch. Mr. Lynch plays Drew's brother.
Bro u'r wrong about governor. He is 50% broke, 50% pure evil. Dont forget about his wife and daughter death, that made him insane. And also dont forget about his nice relationship with tara's family
You’re absolutely right. The governor was a good man with a very very dark side lurking inside him all it took was a lawless world for him to break. I can see the governor being a normal suburban dad with a office job and a casual life but probably held lots of resentment and anger inside him and he didn’t let it come out until the world ended. The governor’s wife died in a car crash before the apocalypse but he still kept somewhat of his sanity probably for his daughter but once his daughter got bite he turned to the dark side when he realized he can act out his evil in a world with the police, no rules, no consequences, survival of the fittest.
I loved this episode from the 1st viewing. Yes it was deflective from the main story line---and it drove people crazy about Glen. Just because it was not what the viewer wanted---it forced the viewer to view the episode independent from the main story arc, but also presenting a powerful world view that we see throughout the series. I thought it was exceptional episode.
bruh who actually came to any of those other conclusions about the episode title other than the obvious PTSD one that was nearly spelled out by one of the characters lol it feels like such a no-brainer when Morgan is literally saying "i said not here" during his flashbacks and then Eastman talks about the most pertinent PTSD symptom of just... feeling like you're back at the place of trauma. being "not here." Like????
This episode is really only hurt by its placement in the overall pacing because other than that it is beautiful and touching
Honestly. Something that could've been fixed probably with just making it episode 5
Yes but on a binge I recommend skipping from “Clear” straight to this episode. It makes it such a better episode. My favorite episode in the whole series.
@@SmallChild69 Wow, that's a good idea
Yeah they pulled a South Park and people were pissed.
I think this creator has even said that before. It should have probably been like Here's Negan and been at the end of the season. Or even has someone else here said, probably just an episode or 2 later wouldn't have been as bad, just bad placement for a great episode
Fun fact: the actor who played Eastman appeared in a film in 2000 called "Walking The Dead" and as far as I can tell is the only actor in history to appear in The Walking Dead AND Walking The Dead 😂
If only he was in “The Dead Walking”
@@themoongateofficial and "dead walking the"
@@themoongateofficial Scott Wilson, who played Herschel, was in Dead Man Walking.
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John Carroll Lynch this great he also play one of the Zodiac Killer suspects in zodiac
i hated this episode when i first watched it. simply because it switched away from our main group. looking back i think this episode was beautiful for giving morgan a complete arc, it gave us so many callbacks and revelations to other moments, i feel it was overshadowed simply because of the timing of its release. looking back, i actually would say it’s within my top ten favourite episodes simply for its justice to morgan.
Couldn't have agreed more, I hated this episode on my first watch. But then I rewatched the series again and I actually really liked the episode.
@@Deviiinn i never hated it i just was so annoyed watching it cause i was hyped to see what was happening with everything else.
It’s a good episode in a vacuum, but it’s bad in the context of the entirety of the franchise considering they retread the EXACT same arc for Morgan a dozen more times over the course of TWD and FTWD
Morgan is the worst thing that happened to the people of alexandrea.. he cost a lot of deaths with his b/s
RIP Tabitha gone but never forgotten 😔
Yup poor Tabitha
Brou.. that still hurts 😢
Beeeeh 😢😢
i stopped watching after she died
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I remember my dad and I watching this and quickly realizing it wouldn't answer glen's situation, my whole family watched all of "Lost" together as a regular family night thing so we were totally used to this lol. I was honestly so excited to see Morgan's story and how he changed, how he learned from Eastman. I get people's annoyance but I always liked Morgan so ANYTHING about him at the time I was totally up for.
I didn’t get into Lost until years later but I’ve watched that like 3-4 times now. I freaking love that show. Even season 6 was alright so so ish 😂
yesss, same here
Easily one of the best scores of all the Walking Dead. The music not only fits perfectly for the theme and tone of the episode, but in general its one of the few walking dead episodes that still makes me burst into tears. I also like the perspective from this episode. So often in zombie apocalypse media characters almost always choose to kill others who have wrong them, where as here Morgan chose the path of peace. Hell, Aikido basically states to never kill anyone, no matter how evil they are, which in the apocalypse is a pretty ballsy move since everything and everyone could and would kill you
The music was so peaceful. It set this epi apart.
This was probably one of the most touching episodes in the series for me. I know people won't agree, but I kinda like the slow down from the whole action packed Alexandria plot. It felt like a breather to watch it. It was emotional, touching, meaningful and beatiful. It not only contributed to the lore of Morgan, but it felt actually really touching to me in real life, I felt at peace watching it. :)
It's actually a popular episode.
Idk why the content creator tried to pose it as controversial.
I loved the episode as well.
@@doggolovescheese1310it’s more popular now but I think it was considered controversial at the time so Thrifty’s not wrong. You’ve gotta remember that during a live viewing of the walking dead, you got one episode per week and every 8 episodes, they’d break for like 4 months until the next 8. If you watched this live during the sheer insanity of what was happening at Alexandria at the time it may have felt a bit underwhelming given you had to wait a week for the next one.
Personally though, I loved this episode when it released and still do, it’s got a beautiful mini story to follow even if it was a diversion from the action at Alexandria. I can just see why some people were disappointed and I totally agree with Thrifty’s conclusion that it was controversial at the time.
My thought for the group's Crighton Dallas was Alpha. The Governor seemed like a normal guy with a wife and daughter before the apocalypse but Alpha seemed like she was pretty bad even early on. That being said, I don't think there is meant to be one specific person necessarily. If anything I feel like it more so suggests that the vast majority of bad people aren't truly evil like you mentioned.
I just couldn't stand this episode bc of its placing in the narration! It was not until my second watchthrough being binging twd with my bf, I got aware how great it actually is.
Yeah I feel like that was what everyone (myself included) felt the first time around. But as time goes by this has become one of my favorite episodes.
Same I was so bored the first time watching and checked out halfway through but the second time I really liked it
idk why but i always liked this episode just bc morgan is amazing
@@LerchStudios likewise
Bloody hell, that username 😂 English by any chance? 😂
I had no idea this episode was hated by some, this episode is probably my favorite or at least top 3 favorite episodes of the series. I loved seeing how Morgan went from being crazy and lost to how he was then. Morgan is probably my favorite character in the series, I was completely okay with this episode being cut off from the rest of the series and appreciated it being longer than most episodes.
I didn't mind this episode too much when it aired, but it definitely broke pacing, especially when everyone was tense after 'Thank You.' I went back and rewatched it several times and it is definitely up there with one of my favorite TWD episodes ever. Morgan is a great character and explaining his time since 3:12 Clear was such a welcome. RIP to Eastman and Tabitha the goat. She was a real one.
Love your channel so much! Keep up the good work. It makes me happy to relive my nostalgia for TWD.
Eastman is in my top 15 of the entire show which is kinda crazy considering how much hes in. Goes to show how great of a character he really was.
Whenever i hear people talk about this ep nobody mentions Eastman so this makes me happy
This episode is one of my favorites in the entire series. I love Morgans Story and his struggle, Eastman was absolutely fantastic and his story heartbreaking.
i think i was so used to the weird pacing twd had adopted at this point that i actually managed to really enjoy this episode for what it was. it’s a beautiful story neatly wrapped up like a short film.
what annoys me about it in hindsight is the fact they made morgan flipflop a bunch of times after this. it makes sense because if you care about people in the world of twd, you’re going to have to partake in violence to protect your people. i just feel like it could’ve been done better
I mean, Morgan is still flip flopping to this day on Fear. Such inconsistent writers.
I've been so excited for you to do a video on this episode! Morgan is one of my favourite characters in the whole series and I was so happy to see such a chill, deep, dialogue heavy episode explaining his journey. Here's Not Here is a super underrated episode. Love your content, keep up the good work!
I've always loved this episode. It was such a nice break from the action and such a peaceful episode, and Eastman was such a great character. Seeing Morgan finally overcome his demons was so satisfying.
This episode made me cry and really spoke to me on my first viewing. In fact, I thought it was so good that I even forgot about the action that happened in the previous one. Definitely a surprise but a welcome one
The ‘Here’s not Here’ episode is one of my favourite episodes of all time, just like the first ever episode of season 1. It had me hooked and I could relate to the character. What Morgan said in fear the walking dead season 4 “I lose people, and then I lose myself” really hit me because as humans it’s the way of life, you lose people and then you lose a part of yourself because those people you lost, shaped who you are as a person. Morgan lost his wife and his son and that drove him to insanity, well not fully insane. It’s one of the most heartbreaking episodes of the series.
I was definitely mad about this episode taking a left turn in season 6. But once season 6 wrapped and i gave it a rewatch i can honesty say its one of my top 5 episodes. Its so well written, Morgan and Eastman are such great characters. This episode also inspired me to start studying Aikido, The Art of Peace, like the characters.
Personally, this was one of my favorite episodes ever. It was so touching to me, even though I'm the type of guy to not show emotion. The only thing that hurt it was its placement.
Was so awesome to see John Carrol Lynch in TWD. Twisty from AHS is one of my all time fave horror characters
when i first watched this episode and eastman took the wallet to write the names on the graves, it was refreshing to see someone remember that the walkers used to be people too, just like them but unfortunately didn’t survive the apocalypse. he reminded me a lot of hershel, just a genuinely good person that got stuck in this awful situation. morgan’s always been one of my favourite characters and seeing how he becomes comfortable with another person was so nice.
Just like a lot of season 7 and 8, this episode is kind of a pace breaker for the season. Really annoying when I watched it week by week, but one of my favorite episodes in a vacuum
So i wouldnt say necessarily that the governor is evil but instead was someone created amidst the chaos. If you read the woodbury book it accurately shows his transformation from this incredibly timid guy to the man we see in the show and also the fact that in the books the governor isnt really phillip but instead adopted his brothers name to become who he was in order to survive because it him that got penny killed as well as his brother.
The governor is honestly one of the best descriptions of what people do in order to survive and lead others and honestly the governor is a mirror imagine of how rick started out as well.
It's possible I will end up giving too much credit to the writers here however I have recently undergone cognitive processing therapy for PTSD and 3 of the major symptoms you look for in PTSD are 1. Dreams and flashbacks of the traumatic event. 2. Feeling like you're in the event again and 3. Having a physical response like you're in it again. (this can be a racing heart, sweaty palms or even behaving like you are) so ironically if Morgan IS having flashbacks to such a degree he's behaving like he's in the situation again telling himself "Here's not here" is a good thing. He's trying to remind himself he's not in that situation.
Eastman is the same actor who played Stan in Volcano 1997, the guy who saved the subway driver and died in the lava.
Top 10-15 best episode in the entire series. EXTREMELY overlooked and underrated. Eastman is such an incredible character and Morgan getting some depth was necessary ❤
This is one of my favourite episodes but I only kept up with S1-4 as they were airing, everything after that I was marathoning at leisure. If I'd have still been on the weekly episodes train at this point I'm pretty sure I would've viewed it less favourably on a first pass because of the cliffhanger, and that would've been a big shame, because this is such a special episode both of TWD and of television in general. I suspect I'm not alone in this, I was in therapy for PTSD when I first watched this and it's so well-informed, so many of the details are very specific stages of learning to live with and heal from trauma. It would've been easy for this episode to feel like a "treating PTSD 101" slideshow but the writing and acting lets it unfold in a way that feels so measured and organic. The "reveal" that the cage was never actually locked, the way our expectations can get set in stone by trauma to a point where it doesn't occur to us to even consider that things can be different and the way we interpret the world can change was such an elegant way of showing something profound and relevant to a hell of a lot of people. Eastman firmly insisting Morgan practice his new physical skills even when he's deep in re-living his trauma was a particularly powerful and nuanced moment.
It's awesome to see this episode getting the Thrifty Typewriter treatment and hope it inspires people to give it a re-watch and maybe view it a little more favourably. It deserves it.
I still don’t understand why it’s called “here’s not here” or what it means
@@mrsonaaaa5208 I can't claim to know how or why the writers chose the title specifically, other than it being something that Morgan says.
From a mental health point of view, if you're traumatised by something then encounter something that triggers a memory or flashback of it, your brain and body can go into a state that comes from the original trauma. Your thoughts, actions and behaviours in the moment may be heavily influenced by your PTSD, even if the situation you're in is completely different or a long time after the original event. Flashbacks may be so intense they distract you or make you feel like you're re-living it. In a very real mental sense, you're somewhere else.
"Here's not here" to me could be referencing the disorientation and fear of living in a dangerous world with unresolved trauma, as Morgan is at the start of the episode, but can become an affirmation when you're triggered or having flashbacks to remind yourself that even if you feel like you did in the original event, you aren't there any more and there is a real world still around you that you have some power in. But it's also very open to interpretation and part of why this episode is so fascinating and discussion-worthy.
Another awesome analysis video dude 🤘🔥, even though I haven't really seen any of TWD episodes past Season 1 watching these analysis videos are still really good
I still can’t believe that! 😂 But I’m glad you enjoy them!
@@thethriftytypewriter nah it's true I haven't seen any TWD episodes past season 1 and I haven't even read the comics my only connection to TWD is the Telltale video games I love those games 😂😂🔥🔥
I think Beta is a potential true evil. Sure he seems to care about Alpha, but he doesn't seem to have any sympathy
Beta was broken. Before the outbreak he was a completely different person but the death of his "friend" changed him and he was also influenced by the Alpha.
Alpha is true evil, Beta is broken and just wanted to be left alone until she manipulated him.
I never got to watch any of this show as it was airing, I binged the whole thing a year after it ended. With that in mind, when I got to this episode I thought it was one of the best in the entire show. I was not only perfectly fine with having to wait an episode’s worth of time to get back to the main plot, but I was so interested in what changed Morgan that this was an episode I wanted to see for the last three seasons and didn’t know it
It’s disgusting how harsh people were on this episode. Eastman was a bit too good of a person, even for me but you need a polar opposite to yourself to show you the the other side.
Amazing episode
How is it disgusting people didn’t like filler put smack dap in the middle of one of the most intense season of the show? It should’ve been the premiere of season 6B or the second episode of season 6
Nobody can be "too good" of a person
It wasn't filler. It explained the backstory of a cannon character.
@@seldomsane5278that character should have been killed , he caused all those deaths at alexandrea from letting the leader go free, then let those 3 from the attack go free which messed up the rv so they followed rick home, Morgan is the worst character of the entire show
@@Chadius_Thundercock it wasn't filler lol
This is my favorite episode of the series. It's actually my favorite episode of any series.
I went through a depression and was suicidal for most of my life. I went through life making one destructive decision after another because I didn't care if I lived or died. It took a long time and a lot of therapy to overcome my own self-destructive nature.
Like with Morgan's moral dilemma with the Wolves, every day can be a struggle for me and some days are better (or worse) than others. But what I loved most about this episode is that it showed us all what it means to be human. RIP Eastman
Also, he’s Norm Gundersen from Fargo
That's where I first saw him!
You could say Saviors Jared and David and maybe Whisperer Alpha (depending on her relationship with Lydia) were the Crighton Dallas Wilton of the show, too.
Also, one of my favorite moments encapsulating the dynamic between Morgan and Eastman when they’re first getting acquainted is when Eastman finally REVEALS to Morgan that his cell has been unlocked the whole time.
Referring to aikido as “the ways of the stick” is great 😂
it was filler. but i always LOVED this episode. Eastman's story about Crighton Dallas Wilton was so dark but DOPE to me #EASTMAN #TABITHA
Same here! And thanks again my dude!
I would say for Morgan, though I haven’t seen fear The Walking Dead, I would say just in the main walking dead show his Creighton Dallas Wilton was Jared because like Eastman someone he cared for was killed though not for the same reasons but after that happened. Jared was not punished really at all and Morgan wanted him to suffer clearly because he gave up all life is precious and kills him by holding him in place and letting him get his back and neck eaten by walkers. Just like Eastman tortured Creighton Dallas Wilton, by starving him to death Morgan kills him the somewhat Opposite Way, by getting him eaten. Perhaps a poor take but the theory if you would call it that I guess sounded good in my head.😂😂😂
Nah I like it! Didn’t think of it like that!
I'm just glad they didn't give this huge character building episode on Morgan only to kill him a couple episodes later like they did previous to this (like Beth)
This episode made me hate the fact that NOBODY WEARS ARMOR SO THEY DONT GET BIT SO MUCHHHH. It's so distracting when you think about it
Yeah but a lot of things they do get right if you think about it and put yourself in how you would even get a hold of armor or how you would make it? Not everybody knows how to make it or has the supplies to make it or has access to such things if you were truly living like this
Probably my favorite episode of the show. Such a phenomenal story without detracting from the source material at all. I really wish the rest of the show was like this
I started watching WD at season 9, so all this drama y’all when through watching it while it was available made it a completely different experience from me. I loved this episode, it was one of the most heart wrenching episodes to top heart wrenching episodes.
The OST for this episode is just incredible
This was honestly one of my favorite episodes
I wish this episode had been placed right after his encounter with Rick and Michonne to explain what happened to him and leave open the possibility for him to come back.
Honestly felt like yellowjackets. They do thus all the time. For example on season 2, ep 4 iirc, where at the end it is implied that adult Taissa is going to seek out Van, and after waiting the whole first season and nearly half of the second we were about to find out if Van was still alive and then instead of following up from that immediately, and jumping forward to their potential reunion, Tai spent the entire episode -roughly spanning TWO DAYS- on the road, driving, WALKING and hitchhiking her way to Van. They kept us on edge the entire episode, thinking we woukd find out every time we saw Taissa, only for her to just change her mode of transport. She took someone's car and drove all night in a trance. Then when she ran out of gas she decided to WALK across the state. Then eventually she hitchhiked onto the world's slowest truck and when she finally got to where she was heading, the episode cuts after two lines. And infuriatingly the entire next episode we barely get any of the exposition we so sorely need. Like what happened to them? Why did they drift away? We only find out if Van is alive. I'm trying not to spoil anything so being as vague as possible but basically this was TORTURE. It wasnt just one filler episode until we found out if this main character was alive; it was one and a half seasons! 😭
Oml so happy to see a comment talking about yellowjackets.
It is such a good show @@ludoo6853
I usually skip this episode in rewatches. it makes me SO sad, like it literally makes my heart hurt. it's great storytelling and character development, but it just makes me too sad lol. great video!!
I actually liked this episode when it came out. Yeah it broke away from our main story, but it was still interesting. Granted, I was like 11 when the episode came out, and I loved the show with my whole heart and soul so nothing could disappoint me. Looking back now, I still love the episode. It’s so well made and Eastman is still one of my favorite one-time characters out of the whole TWD universe. We got a few callbacks to Eastman throughout Fear once Morgan became the lead, and every single time it made me happy
imo governor fits as someone broken along the way, he may have been too far gone but thats because of all that happened to him (being abused as a child, wife dying, daughter dying)
I love this episode, one of my favourites. It was a welcome change of pace for me, and it's pretty unique for the show. It also helps that Morgan is my favourite character.
i absolutely love this episode but feel it was just placed in a very odd place.
Here after the Fear mid-season finale. The best bottle episode besides Here’s Negan. Man, what a character - he will be missed dearly. Hopefully we can get a reunion with Rick in the spinoffs, even if it’s as little as one scene. We need that small bit of closure I feel.
I forgot how scary it would be if people turned even if they weren’t bitten. It would drive me crazy as well.
Morgans gun is the same gun that rosita used against the saviors in s6
Also i like to think that dallas is like the governor from the comics
My dad and I watched the entire show together and this episode is likely both of our favorites
I loved morgan so I didn’t mind now Im watching feat the walking dead HATED it for a bit now I’m loving it. Yap from now on: I fucking loved the early seasons of it but once they leave mexico I hated they thing that happen the shows writing isnt very good but then morgan shows up but nick’s situation is annoying as hell but ay it’s chill once morgan morgans all over the place
This has always been one of my favorite episodes. Especially that it broke up the pace in storytelling.
This is one pf my personal favorite episodes of the show being a huge morgan fan. Im surprised it got so much hate. Morgan had some of the best character development in the whole show
I feel like morgan has DID and he just doesn't know it due to the mid season finale that he seems to not remember when he sees red. I guess that is just his trauma kick in and it is the most logical thing that he has
Ive always loved this episode.
It's placement was predictable though, Gimple always sidetracks from the main story after about 3 episodes in the first half, then brings it back together for the midseason finale
The greatest character ever was
mentioned, Killme Now. It's a stupid fucking name, that's dangerous, and unchangeable.
Great episode terrible timing. Honestly amc’s ability to kill the golden goose is astounding. Obviously the show was never going to maintain a high of 17 million viewers but like it’s genuinely impressive how they burned through a lot good will with the fans and in trying to so desperately to keep the franchise going forever they instead quickened its demise. This episode really should have been brought in somewhere else
I really enjoyed this episode when it aired and going back I still thoroughly enjoy it. I’m all for back stories and character building and this episode nailed that.
The soundtrack of this episode was so good
Looking back, especially after watching episode 3 of TLOU, this could have been the “gay” episode
I adore this episode on it's own. One of the best written, especially where dialogue is concerned. However, the placement was indeed atrocious. To make things worse, the resolution to Rick's cliffhanger was just lackluster. The placement of this episode was the moment I knew the boomerang style would never go away in TWD.
That is one of my favorite episodes, if not my favorite. Of course I was frustrated to not know the fate of Glen, but still loved it
I loved this episode when it first aired, and I still love it. In fact I can say that this episode is easily one of my very favorite in the entire series.
I also think this episode is heavily disliked because it became indicative of how TWD would be moving forward. It was the first in step in the direction of taking multiple-episode-breaks between storylines.
They could have did this episode with season 7 when he lost Henry brother and build his character in season 6
The episode is great but the placement of it is beyond stupid by having it right after Glenn's fakeout death. It should've been the season premiere since season 5 ended with Rick and Morgan finally reuniting. But since Walking Dead is on a cable network, they need to have all the season premiers and finales be exciting for the sake of ratings regardless of whether or not the narrative suffers as a result. We see the negative effects of this again at the end of the season with the Negan cliffhanger.
The trend with alot of these older TWD episodes is that they work better in hindsight when you're binging the series, but at the time of release they totally ruined the pacing of the season and got tons of flak for it
Hot Take and I totally understand if you dont agree: Personally its my favorite episode of the whole show
I love this episode, but it should have been the season premiere. It would have give us the answers about Morgan we'd been asking for for years, which we were left in a great spot for in the season 5 finale, and set up a great cliffhanger for the season 6A arc.
Morgan is literally the MOST overrated character in TWD history imo anyways
I love this episode, the writing and character interaction is up there with seasons 1 & 2, and I think it compliments season 6 really well. It's a shame that the only real reason to dislike this episode is that it interrupts the pacing of the season because that problem literally only existed for one week back in 2015. Looking back, it's really good that they took their time to thoroughly develop one of the most important and interesting characters currently in the show, and it only saddens me more that they basically gave up on Morgan as a character in season 8.
It's not like the pacing issue would even have been that bad if they didn't end the previous episode with Glenn "dying"
Have you ever read the governor novel, goes into the governors back story and how he became who he was, he started as a meek scared kid that didn't wanna kill walkers, and by the end he takes his brother's name and identity and becomes the governor we knew in the show and comic, he actually wears a Weezer t shirt in the book so he could very well actually be evil
I thought the episode was great but i was binging on netflix at this point so the pacing didnt bother me
Got my autographed cheese from Tabitha
I always thought Honor was the most controversial episode in my eyes. Especially after finishing the comics
Well tbh carl getting bitten was revealed in the previous episode, plus honor was an actually good episode
@@gamingnoah9807 saying that like this wasn't a good episode aswell.,
@@Greenhawk4 heres not here is a good episode i agree
I remember being brought tears after watching this episode amazing episode
Eastman letting crighton die was objectively bad but he did more good getting rid of an awful person before he could do any more evil in the post apocalypse
And the more boring and useless. I cannot stand watching Morgan for all that time.
Without any spoilers, I'd like to suggest you watch some episodes of "The Drew Carey Show" if you want to enjoy the full range of John Carroll Lynch. Mr. Lynch plays Drew's brother.
Love this episode. This and the Tara episode I think very undderated.
I know it's not the point of the video but why did he have to bury tabithaI
Bro u'r wrong about governor.
He is 50% broke, 50% pure evil. Dont forget about his wife and daughter death, that made him insane. And also dont forget about his nice relationship with tara's family
You’re absolutely right. The governor was a good man with a very very dark side lurking inside him all it took was a lawless world for him to break. I can see the governor being a normal suburban dad with a office job and a casual life but probably held lots of resentment and anger inside him and he didn’t let it come out until the world ended. The governor’s wife died in a car crash before the apocalypse but he still kept somewhat of his sanity probably for his daughter but once his daughter got bite he turned to the dark side when he realized he can act out his evil in a world with the police, no rules, no consequences, survival of the fittest.
they did the same in fear the walking dead with john, and to be honest, i think it fits perfectly
Eastman would have been a good part of the main group
Wasnt meant to be tho🙁
I loved this episode from the 1st viewing. Yes it was deflective from the main story line---and it drove people crazy about Glen. Just because it was not what the viewer wanted---it forced the viewer to view the episode independent from the main story arc, but also presenting a powerful world view that we see throughout the series. I thought it was exceptional episode.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I would like to see an analysis on S10-E18 "Find Me", another kind of weird but unique flaskback-y episode.
I think you’re completely right about the governor being the true evil character in the show.
Imagine if the whole series was this well written
this was actually my favourite episode of twd
bruh who actually came to any of those other conclusions about the episode title other than the obvious PTSD one that was nearly spelled out by one of the characters lol it feels like such a no-brainer when Morgan is literally saying "i said not here" during his flashbacks and then Eastman talks about the most pertinent PTSD symptom of just... feeling like you're back at the place of trauma. being "not here." Like????
Season 6 and 5 were the best seasons
True
Fantastic video. made me appreciate this episode more
This epsiode was the most memorable for me
Please do the episode where Carol has to kill Lizzie for killing her sister and almost Judith. One of my favorite episodes