@@pbdye1607 good stuff. I don't buy suppressors though... Not with the $200 tyranny tax stamp so I make my own from scratch or I will puzzle them together from pieces I purchase online.
@@Capture_Torture_LiberalsYou know you're still supposed to pay a tax stamp even if you make them yourself, right? It's still 10 years in the slammer if the fedboys find out about it, and here you are posting it online for the world to see. If you want to flaunt the unconstitutional NFA more power to you, but I wouldn't post it online.
@@bigdj2203 nope, not where I live. There's 3,211 Oath Keepers in this town and the Sherriff whose 4th in command (I think 4th) has already said if they break state law 'and or' Constitutional law here (which goes against ATF regulation) he will arrest them on the spot, which he would probably have to do IOT make sure they get to leave here safely. Not just saying it to say it... This is one place the states ATF refuses to tread... They already know. If I was to tell you the toys people have here, you wouldn't believe me... Makes my stuff look like water guns.
Please excuse this long comment - you're helping a beginner here, and I've got so many questions. I know this is an old video, but I'm trying to learn & I'd appreciate it if any of the 70k subs have time to answer any of these questions. 1. Obviously these shells are all subsonic - does a suppressor affect the audio footprint of a supersonic load at all? 2. What's the relevance of shot size/type/how many pellets shot thru a suppressed shotgun? (00 vs birdshot, etc) 3. What about slugs? Rifled or not? Does one suppressor handle them all? 4. Accuracy affected? 5. Is velocity increased due to the extension of the barrel? Do shotguns benefit from longer barrels like hunting rifle calibers re: velocity? 6. Does the fact the shot isn't necessarily in a super-specific, single projectile as it leaves the breech (e.g. boat tail bullet vs a bunch of pellets heading the same direction) mean the suppressor? 7. Do shotgun suppressors screw onto the barrel (do they need threading just like rifles)? If so, they must have to be digital precise, since they're not always round? Brass bead sights possible? 8. Do - or can - the suppressors act as a choke? If so, are they adjustable? 9. Do 20gauge with similar velocities sound considerably quieter? Would break-barrels benefit from quietest audio footprint due to enclosed action? Pump louder, autoloader loudest? 10. I never heard of 'harmonics' mentioned re: shotguns. Why would someone NOT choose to suppress their shot, other than the added weight/lengtht? 11. Is it added length or girth (grade 7 me giggling at this one) on a shotgun suppressor that makes it quieter? 12. The internal design of the suppressor - does it 'trust' the trajectory of multiple projectiles passing through it in a tight pattern? There seems to be more risk of 'bevel strikes'... 13. Is the first few inches of the suppressor more or less "hollowed out" like hunting & rimfire suppressors, to accommodate the initial muzzle drama, allowing for incrementing layers/bevels to catch as much of the 'spent' energy as possible? I saw a couple of British guys hunting (culling) crows for farmers with suppressed .410 autoloaders, and it was hard to know if it was just the audio on the video, or if they were really as quiet as a polite cough. Here in Canada, we're allowed to own most types of bolt/lever/semi-auto rifles up to 7376 ft-lbs, which includes the ".577 Nitro Express", which a few people buy just on principle - but I've got no aspirations for anything fatter than a 45-70, and nothing flatter than, say, 7mmRm or 300PRC. I plan to keep my fun smaller than a moose/bear and closer than 2 km's. Without ever having pulled a trigger, I can walk into a gun shop & legally buy that 577 Nitro Express, with as much ammo as I can carry, within maybe 20mins - no waiting time. It's a weird privilege, but there's only one database, it's federal & it's updated every 5 seconds, which makes it convenient at least. All suppressors are illegal here. I'm talking even cheap plastic baffles on a hardware store pellet gun (< 500fps isn't even a firearm here, but even a piece of PVC pipe duct taped to the barrel will get your firearms license suspended). You can carry knives legally here, which is illegal in western Europe, but you're actually encouraged to get suppressors in the UK, Australia, all of the EU, New Zealand & of course, the USA & South Africa. I just want to be a good neighbor to people who live near shooting ranges. I can buy that 577 Nitro, but I can't make my toy pellet gun quieter. Frustrating, but I'm playing by the rules 'cause I love shooting, always liked guns. Not a hunter, just a hobbyist. I live close to the US border, though (couple of hrs from Calais, Maine), and I intend to take whatever hunting rifle I settle on to the 'States, to a couple of ranges over the course of a long weekend or so - and either borrow or rent or maybe even buy & store a suppressor there. I'm just not able to take it back into Canada. I'm getting my first pump action 12 gauge next week (it's on order, just a cheap one), and I want to know if there's something I need to do to prep it for any potential suppression. I'm assuming a 12 gauge suppressor is rarer & more expensive.
Bad ass!!! I have a Salvo, but was wanting a Seg to put on my Saiga 12 SBS. The Salvo lives on a Keltec KSG. I know a lot of people think low of the KSG, but it’s an awesome host for the Salvo.
Funny you should bring this up. The Mossberg 590 series barrels are very beefy and can be external threaded by a good gunsmith and use the Silencerco Salvo 12 KSG adapter. Now I can suppress a 590M A Shockwave 590M A regular Shockwave And my 930 with the Silencerco choke type adapter. Now if they would do away with the ATF we could all go on about our business and the pursuit of happiness. And I can put an appropriate collapsible shock absorbing stock on my Shockwave. SBS.
I want to get suppressors for my wife's keltech 410 and my tokarev tar 12. The 410 isn't that loud but with the hollow point slugs she bought, im sure the damage it would cause would be stupendous.
@ I’ve seen videos of guys using .46 cal cans on 410 shotguns. They suggest using it for slug only. I know the Silencerco hybrid works with .410, a guy named pigsnguns has done some videos on it bye did say Sico won’t honor warranty if you use on 410. I believe a 12ga can would be too loud because of the bore diameter on 410.
Interesting to see the difference in flame ejecting the end of the barrel between rounds, visible with both firearms. Inconsistent powder charge from the factory?
@@tsarmory oh sorry in the vid I thought you said you were using subs😐 btw you are the ONLY ones who have done a comparison video of these two designs which is HUGELY appreciated
Wearing hearing protection doesn’t tell me much …. If it reads under 120 db it’s quite to shoot at back yard to think it’s not a gun . If still higher then I’ll stick to subsonic on a rifle
While it's not quiet, the sound is different enough to maybe make any witnesses do a double take and possibly mistake the sound for some other ordinary sound. In my neighborhood, there are always kids skating and doing tricks, if I randomly heard that noise I would have mistaken it for some dumb kids doing a ollie.
I have a DP-12 . Love the gun to death . But I can’t get a suppressor for it . Nobody wants to partner up for that badass shottie . They have everything for the UTG , S&W , and countless others which are the same thing . 2 feed tubes and 1 chamber tube that bangs . If I had a shop I would make something that mimics (mimicry is ultimate flattery ) the Salvo 12( Legally With Rights and shit ) , but is shaped more round and call it the tombstone 🪦. Make singles and one for double barrels . Call it Double Death stones or Grave Growlers . Idk I have vision but no one else 🤦🏽 Come on
Look up Romeo Hotel engineering. The man made a suppressor specifically for the DP12 he shows his testing with honest pros and cons compared to other shotgun suppressors
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Call it - Anton, probably
Sir?
You don't have to do this
What time do you go to bed?
I could come back then.
The Salvo appears quieter and far less flash
Correct, but I do not believe the Salvo can shoot all of the types of shotgun rounds like birdshot the Rex can.
@@CIA_Alien Salvo can't/shouldn't shoot rifled slugs even though there are people out there doing it, SiCo says to use sabot slugs with the Salvo 12.
@@pbdye1607 good stuff. I don't buy suppressors though... Not with the $200 tyranny tax stamp so I make my own from scratch or I will puzzle them together from pieces I purchase online.
@@Capture_Torture_LiberalsYou know you're still supposed to pay a tax stamp even if you make them yourself, right? It's still 10 years in the slammer if the fedboys find out about it, and here you are posting it online for the world to see.
If you want to flaunt the unconstitutional NFA more power to you, but I wouldn't post it online.
@@bigdj2203 nope, not where I live. There's 3,211 Oath Keepers in this town and the Sherriff whose 4th in command (I think 4th) has already said if they break state law 'and or' Constitutional law here (which goes against ATF regulation) he will arrest them on the spot, which he would probably have to do IOT make sure they get to leave here safely. Not just saying it to say it... This is one place the states ATF refuses to tread... They already know.
If I was to tell you the toys people have here, you wouldn't believe me... Makes my stuff look like water guns.
Thank you guys , I’ve wanted someone to do this for a long ass time .
Please excuse this long comment - you're helping a beginner here, and I've got so many questions. I know this is an old video, but I'm trying to learn & I'd appreciate it if any of the 70k subs have time to answer any of these questions.
1. Obviously these shells are all subsonic - does a suppressor affect the audio footprint of a supersonic load at all?
2. What's the relevance of shot size/type/how many pellets shot thru a suppressed shotgun? (00 vs birdshot, etc)
3. What about slugs? Rifled or not? Does one suppressor handle them all?
4. Accuracy affected?
5. Is velocity increased due to the extension of the barrel? Do shotguns benefit from longer barrels like hunting rifle calibers re: velocity?
6. Does the fact the shot isn't necessarily in a super-specific, single projectile as it leaves the breech (e.g. boat tail bullet vs a bunch of pellets heading the same direction) mean the suppressor?
7. Do shotgun suppressors screw onto the barrel (do they need threading just like rifles)? If so, they must have to be digital precise, since they're not always round? Brass bead sights possible?
8. Do - or can - the suppressors act as a choke? If so, are they adjustable?
9. Do 20gauge with similar velocities sound considerably quieter? Would break-barrels benefit from quietest audio footprint due to enclosed action? Pump louder, autoloader loudest?
10. I never heard of 'harmonics' mentioned re: shotguns. Why would someone NOT choose to suppress their shot, other than the added weight/lengtht?
11. Is it added length or girth (grade 7 me giggling at this one) on a shotgun suppressor that makes it quieter?
12. The internal design of the suppressor - does it 'trust' the trajectory of multiple projectiles passing through it in a tight pattern? There seems to be more risk of 'bevel strikes'...
13. Is the first few inches of the suppressor more or less "hollowed out" like hunting & rimfire suppressors, to accommodate the initial muzzle drama, allowing for incrementing layers/bevels to catch as much of the 'spent' energy as possible?
I saw a couple of British guys hunting (culling) crows for farmers with suppressed .410 autoloaders, and it was hard to know if it was just the audio on the video, or if they were really as quiet as a polite cough.
Here in Canada, we're allowed to own most types of bolt/lever/semi-auto rifles up to 7376 ft-lbs, which includes the ".577 Nitro Express", which a few people buy just on principle - but I've got no aspirations for anything fatter than a 45-70, and nothing flatter than, say, 7mmRm or 300PRC. I plan to keep my fun smaller than a moose/bear and closer than 2 km's.
Without ever having pulled a trigger, I can walk into a gun shop & legally buy that 577 Nitro Express, with as much ammo as I can carry, within maybe 20mins - no waiting time. It's a weird privilege, but there's only one database, it's federal & it's updated every 5 seconds, which makes it convenient at least.
All suppressors are illegal here. I'm talking even cheap plastic baffles on a hardware store pellet gun (< 500fps isn't even a firearm here, but even a piece of PVC pipe duct taped to the barrel will get your firearms license suspended). You can carry knives legally here, which is illegal in western Europe, but you're actually encouraged to get suppressors in the UK, Australia, all of the EU, New Zealand & of course, the USA & South Africa. I just want to be a good neighbor to people who live near shooting ranges. I can buy that 577 Nitro, but I can't make my toy pellet gun quieter. Frustrating, but I'm playing by the rules 'cause I love shooting, always liked guns. Not a hunter, just a hobbyist.
I live close to the US border, though (couple of hrs from Calais, Maine), and I intend to take whatever hunting rifle I settle on to the 'States, to a couple of ranges over the course of a long weekend or so - and either borrow or rent or maybe even buy & store a suppressor there. I'm just not able to take it back into Canada. I'm getting my first pump action 12 gauge next week (it's on order, just a cheap one), and I want to know if there's something I need to do to prep it for any potential suppression. I'm assuming a 12 gauge suppressor is rarer & more expensive.
Really appreciate you guys taking the time to post this.
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Good, no nonsense comparison video.
The Salvo is slightly heavier but it’s negligible and don’t notice the difference on the end of the shotgun
Bad ass!!! I have a Salvo, but was wanting a Seg to put on my Saiga 12 SBS. The Salvo lives on a Keltec KSG. I know a lot of people think low of the KSG, but it’s an awesome host for the Salvo.
KSG is awesome. Screw those folks who can’t appreciate a fun host.
Funny you should bring this up. The Mossberg 590 series barrels are very beefy and can be external threaded by a good gunsmith and use the Silencerco Salvo 12 KSG adapter.
Now I can suppress a 590M
A Shockwave 590M
A regular Shockwave
And my 930 with the Silencerco choke type
adapter. Now if they would do away with the ATF we could all go on about our business and the pursuit of happiness.
And I can put an appropriate collapsible shock absorbing stock on my Shockwave. SBS.
I want to get suppressors for my wife's keltech 410 and my tokarev tar 12. The 410 isn't that loud but with the hollow point slugs she bought, im sure the damage it would cause would be stupendous.
@ I’ve seen videos of guys using .46 cal cans on 410 shotguns. They suggest using it for slug only. I know the Silencerco hybrid works with .410, a guy named pigsnguns has done some videos on it bye did say Sico won’t honor warranty if you use on 410. I believe a 12ga can would be too loud because of the bore diameter on 410.
Thanks, 1st direct comparison of the cans, what is your opinion on length and weight differences?
At 1:29, in the upper right hand corner, it looks like the good lord had the last round. Nice!
the mic should be between you guys.
the bulker salvo is a bit quieter but the seg is adjustable in length and more practical
Salvo is also adjustable length and rated for more shells so the salvo is more “practical” 😂
Interesting to see the difference in flame ejecting the end of the barrel between rounds, visible with both firearms. Inconsistent powder charge from the factory?
Sounds like a tennis match!
Never heard of Suhlinsur Co
😂
They work really. Thank to show.
How effective is the sub sonic shell out of this gun? Say in 0-40 yards? Self defence scenario/ game hunting.
Good comparison. Good short video.
Have you shot them side by side with supersonic loads? Just curious if you got the same result.
Yes just shooting subsonic in the video correct? I was just curious about supers.
@@johnhitson2880salvo still quieter with supers too
Do they make these for over and unders
if there is no that movie with Javier Bardem nobody would not care for this silencer
Great movie
I'll get the Salvo especially for a shotgun.
Now repeat the test using supersonic birdshot please
Just re-read your comment. Yeah i was shooting subs. I'll try with some supers next
@@tsarmory oh sorry in the vid I thought you said you were using subs😐 btw you are the ONLY ones who have done a comparison video of these two designs which is HUGELY appreciated
@@richardhale1161 haha i totally misread your comment. They were subs. I'll see if i can do supersonic shot next time.
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Wearing hearing protection doesn’t tell me much …. If it reads under 120 db it’s quite to shoot at back yard to think it’s not a gun . If still higher then I’ll stick to subsonic on a rifle
While it's not quiet, the sound is different enough to maybe make any witnesses do a double take and possibly mistake the sound for some other ordinary sound. In my neighborhood, there are always kids skating and doing tricks, if I randomly heard that noise I would have mistaken it for some dumb kids doing a ollie.
can you shoot slugs with either one?
I have a DP-12 . Love the gun to death . But I can’t get a suppressor for it . Nobody wants to partner up for that badass shottie . They have everything for the UTG , S&W , and countless others which are the same thing . 2 feed tubes and 1 chamber tube that bangs . If I had a shop I would make something that mimics (mimicry is ultimate flattery ) the Salvo 12( Legally With Rights and shit ) , but is shaped more round and call it the tombstone 🪦. Make singles and one for double barrels . Call it Double Death stones or Grave Growlers . Idk I have vision but no one else 🤦🏽 Come on
Look up Romeo Hotel engineering. The man made a suppressor specifically for the DP12 he shows his testing with honest pros and cons compared to other shotgun suppressors
Selinserko ? What the heck did he say
The Salvo has a much mellower tone also.
Great Video!
How does the sound compare between the two?
Watch the video
Salvo is quieter
@@luft_964 it's hard to tell on video
Che marche sono ??
Appears Salvo is the winner.
How get this stuf? In Serbia
No idea import/export laws suck
Crime
Oh my Peter!
I so wanted it to sound like the suppressed shotty from no country for old men. Reality dont care much for feelings
just more volume on that salvo
Different distances
No Country for old men Anton Chigurh
Damn sounds like a pellet gun
should have taken the video eqaul distance away
Should have watched the whole video
Sweet
Im actually surprised i was gonna say your wasting your time
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Friendoo
all it takes is a running motor and nobody would ever hear this