World of Warships Paragon System/Naval Training Center/NTC [WORK IN PROGRESS]
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Imagine a new player in their first stock T8 ship playing in first T10 match and run into T10s with level 3 upgrades, fun experience, right?
You may as well be the Hood spawning in front of 12 Bismarcks...
Is balanz comrade... move on or go to gulag
Fun and engaging!
might as well just not have tiers involved in MM and let T2s play against T10
@@verde5738 I think Ichase missunderstood something there, according to Flambass the premium upgrade thing is to balance credits not ship performace.
sounds like a good time to quit this JOB.. i mean game..
I've had to basically stop playing it like a grind... I just play 5 rounds... ish... a week. Only way I can have a job, family, life... etc.
@@ReptilianLepton Eve Online it's even worse, or you play and grind a lot of time or spend a lot of money. played for 4 years and stoped , too much time needed and wasnt going to spend money to have the required ISK. Still a good game.
I wonder what keeps making the video game industry more and more ridiculous? First we had Bethesda's Fallout 76, now we'll most likely have this....
I don't even think its possible to grind to top levels anymore. The game is pay to win... or at least pay to have a chance at winning.
@@ReptilianLepton I'm going back to WoW Classic; if I'm gonna spend hours in a game grinding my face off there are WAAAAAY better ones to be doing it that this piece of shit. These WG morons don't even realize their game is not capable of being that grind intensive without being fucking stupid. It isn't a Korean MMO. It isn't an MMO or RPG period.
It's nice to see a video of these WG devs and spokespeople arguing back and forth with the CCs, because it concretely shows me how absolutely stubborn, out-of-touch and boneheaded WG is. Thanks to all you CCs who had the balls to stand up to these knuckleheads for the players, mad respect.
Indeed. Rare opportunity to see someone so immune to any argument.
@ I thought I saw signs of this in the developer Q&A with Phil Molodkovets and Ivan Komorov. But those two are cuddly teddy bears with genius IQs, compared to these arrogant, pig-headed SOBs. In future, before every WoWs purchase, I'll make myself think of them and just say no.
@@Cancun771 this just further supports my theory that the marketing department has tooken over WG
The guy next to Flambass points out how this will make the contrast greater between old and new players, and the WG dev angrily replied NO! They refuse to accept anything but their own ideas. This game is in serious serious trouble.
@@ThenVersusNow_ When it comes to new players (the ones they need to keep it going) I can plainly state this will def discourage them more than the uptiered mess that is MM. Currently averaging 1 out of 8 or 9 battles NOT being 80% tier 10 in my tier 8 mass. If that's frustrating me, on the mass, with a 19 pnt captain, imagine some poor bastard with a shitty tech tree ship having this happen to him. You think that's gonna make him happy to hand over the kind of cash this company asks for it's ships? I don't, and neither do they apparently, but in their panic they've completely lost the plot.
One ship purchased, 4 months of sub time, 1 lesson learned.
If this goes through, this kills the game for me. I play casually and more for the historical aspect as it is. This just makes new/casual players 2nd-class citizens in the game.
Exactly what I was thinking!
This makes everyone a second class citizen. It bullies everyone into grinding and to keep paying for premium time.
The historical aspect was thrown out the window ever since WG started introducing all those Azure lane ships
I couldn't agree more.
As a working casual player who also play for historical aspect, i agree.
Further evidence WG is completely out of touch with the player base and user experience.
People came up with this should be fired, end of the story.
they probably were drunk, had sex, and were under the showering at the same time when they had this idea
Somebody should dare Chase to say that... again.
Funny you should say that!...I said same thing during Flambass's video
There's a famous saying: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Pretty much. It's stupid and should not have seen the light of day.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIX YOUR NORMAL PROBLEMS WARGAMING INSTEAD OF CONSTANTLY SCREWING UP!!!! sorry for caps lads, have a nice day. =)
Have this feeling too, like the game is full of problems and they can't Stop introducing new ones.
That's not improving or balancing. That's just madness, plain and simple.
I guess if this goes through, my wife will be happy that I'm not making my annual premium time purchase.
@@noneofyourbusiness3553 amen to that. Rather buy some kind of "flower subscription" for my girlfriend then funding this BS even more.
Normally, you have two teams of developers: 1) New features and 2) bug fixes. Sounds like they dont really fix bugs and add new features which cause harm and add more bugs....
"This won't make a bigger gap"
This is the reason for why you don't place your office next to Chernobyl, Wargaming.
This is straight out of the "EA Guide to Milking Players".
XD so true
Holy....
WoWS is turning into as much of a Grind as an average Korean MMO.
Oh Hell NO!
Korean MMO? Which ones?
'Aika', 'TERA', 'ArcheAge', Black Desert Online' and 'Blade and Soul' are a few that come to mind straight away.
I've only watched the first couple seconds, and I'm already worried...
Yoda - You Will Be! You WILL Be!
World of Warships is dead
*Crab_Rave.mp4*
*crab rave*
so i spent over 3 years grinding every line just to... GRIND EVERY LINE AGAIN!! WTF WG??!!
This is called having fun comrade.... move on or go to gulag
@@WiredZombieLive a gulag would be more fun than grinding every line another 6 times :P
AKUJIRULE good point 😂 tier 10 will become unplayable for noobs
theREDdevilz22 no no no no, to regrind every line 6 times!!!
they just need to remove the unfair advantage and instead add comfort or income boosts, like making the ships behave like premiums...all commanders of that nation can be used, extreme income boosts.
maybe even make the ships available even while still in battle...because u actually have 2 of them now :P
these are all nice to have bonuses that WONT affect other players in a negative way!!
This presenter is using number data... but not incorporating the skill level of the players. You can take premium consumables away from the experienced players... and they will still EXTERMINATE the noobs......
+1 Exactly. This is a suggestion made by a person with NO feel for the game. Maybe the game designer has work for another type of game before where this type of paragon system is perfectly ok, but it is NOT good for WoWs.
yup. they have no idea what they are talking about.
premium consumables wont make a bad player far better, as he doesnt use them properly anyway...or plays in a way to make them count.
a broadsiding BB can have all the repair party boosts it can have...and a an experienced BB player that angles, will wreck it easily regardless of any consumable boosts.
they just need to remove the unfair advantage and instead add comfort or income boosts, like making the ships behave like premiums...all commanders of that nation can be used, extreme income boosts.
maybe even make the ships available even while still in battle...because u actually have 2 of them now :P
these are all nice to have bonuses that WONT affect other players in a negative way!!
Grind. Endless, soul-crushing grind. Because that's what the game needs.
Question: How to kill a PVP game?
Answer: Paragon system
Well played WG
Yap well played sorry for my language dude but I can't keep it 🖕🏽WG
they just need to remove the unfair advantage and instead add comfort or income boosts, like making the ships behave like premiums...all commanders of that nation can be used, extreme income boosts.
maybe even make the ships available even while still in battle...because u actually have 2 of them now :P
these are all nice to have bonuses that WONT affect other players in a negative way!!
This is literally like watching the Chernobyl Scientists defend their actions. This sent chills up my spine at the utter lack of insight. When the new player reaches first, second, third tier ten they don't start grinding this, they start grinding other lines! Meanwhile the guy with all the lines is making his ship stronger and stronger.
Exactly. I have literally zero lines left to grind except CVs, which I don't care about. I have so many flags and camos, that I can stack them for 20k XP and 25k FXP per win without a problem. Grinding a whole line over again is nothing if you're a veteran
Versus someone pressed the Wargaming A Zed 5 button.
Da. We heard dis could be done so we did it. It not work out...how you say...well.
This sounds like the perfect time for me to actually start playing the game. Look for me under the tag Exp_Pinata_47
@@willythemailboy2 hahaha deserves more likes
So... I have to prestige my already owned ships to stay competitive??!
And level 3 will be new currency only cause money.
Or we can just walk away from what will be a totally ruined game and get on with our lives.
This idea sound like it totally came from a mobile game. "Oh, congrats, you finally got a 1* Yamato? Now DIE to my 5* Yamato, you pleb"
Pfft, let's see what your 5* Yamato does against my Rainbow Cammo Event only SSR 5* Yamato
@@braxat52 I raise you Summer Event Limited Draw Bikini SSR 5* Yamato Alter.
😂🤣
Lol wtf is this fgo reference? 🤣
Exactly now instead of finding another copy to limit break your 1 star Yamato you need to re grind the whole japan bb line to limit break ur Yamato what is this azur lane with worse progression??
I'm impressed how WG was able to tear down their perfectly functional game in six months, from when it was mostly a "familiar, known thing with some new additions here and there", to this "constant state of flux and wtf is happening now".
I guess I should enjoy Alaska a bit more... shame Alaska came in when the game was already starting to unravel, instead of WoWs's golden era.
Thank you for being one of the CCs to properly report this and I can only hope the combined communities rise up and tell Wargaming NO to this horrid idea.
Flambass made an hour video about all that, jingles came out wit a video today. Flamu I haven't checked yet.
zoup barely talked about it...seems pretty neutered and lacks any real opinions on anything, at least on the negative side of things.
like really? he needs to TEST IT to understand the problems?? LOOOL
they just need to remove the unfair advantage and instead add comfort or income boosts, like making the ships behave like premiums...all commanders of that nation can be used, extreme income boosts.
maybe even make the ships available even while still in battle...because u actually have 2 of them now :P
these are all nice to have bonuses that WONT affect other players in a negative way!!
@@cobrazax Zoup is the Quickydicky of WOWS. Same shilling in hopes of being the best puppet that he can be.
@@pickeljarsforhillary102
Well at least he finally came around to see the shit this really is
-We are already generous.
-We are never afraid to be more generous.
Why the hell does that sound so sinister....
Generous with lead to the back of the head, comrade.
Maybe WG thought they could pass this off as an extension of module upgrades. The main problem, however, is that the timescales involved are so much longer in the Paragon System. So we effectively have entirely new and outright stronger ships. As if we didn't have enough power-creep'ed ships to add to the issue.
The other thing is with the legendary modules you usually have a detriment. You can use it and gain a boost but you're weaker in other areas. Some of them not so much but that's cause they're a gimmick that is already rivaled by other modules. This? This is just making the ship flat out better than the other. It's complete and utter bullshit.
I made a post today in the WG Forum that was critical, but reasonable. It got deleted. Wg has no room for criticism... oh well.. i paid for the sand, but it is their box... another layer of great ideas!!
zeis es mother Russia, discent is prohibited.
Well there from a commist contry
All sounds like Stalag 13 think tank . !!
WORST IDEA EVER!!! Why not use like marks of whatever they are called in WoT
The balance of ships is already not that good, the CVs are bad enough, IJN dds are like fax machines, the tierX legendary is ify to say the least...
Easy on the vodka WG, make a shift to coffie and get some good ideas out...
Work on Commander skills and upgrades, they are so onesided that it makes no sence
Honestly, a system that gave your marks, earning marks, for your ships isn't that bad an idea. I like the idea of battle hours leading to upgrades. It makes a kinda sense.
What those upgrades are, could be shown in veteran crews, giving your better ship statistics. More importantly, everyone can earn them and everyone has access to them and if you want to stack your ships, with a few, you can. More importantly, if you want to have multiple bonuses, you better spent time earning them.
All of that, can be done by new and old players equally. The veteran players, who have tier 10'd a few lines, who have the ships ready and in their harbour, well, they still have something to do. Which I think is even better. It's not going to directly unbalance the game so bluntly, heavily, ugly as this does.
@@LionofCaliban IIRC Marks of excellence in WoT are cosmetic only. You earn them by being better than most players playing a given tank. Which isn't a big deal, since they give you purely bragging rights.
19p captains are already a big thing, however in most lines they become most useful at 10/14 points - around the time you'll be getting a T6/T9. The rest are usually just some minor build changes.
With upgrades, especially ones _that_ grindy, you effectively need to regrind the entire line four (?) times to be on equal footing with everyone else. Hell, even regrinding one T10 ship _four times_ would hurt, but the entire line? Nah, fuck this.
So I only get 4 hours to play a week it takes forever to get to tier 10. I'm not going to start that grind again. So my ships will forever suck.
Exactly sorry for my language dude but I can't keep it I want to say it 🖕🏽WG.
Flamu: “how long do you estimate till the first player will be reaching level....”
Developer: “LONG!”
Flamu: “long?.....”
Developer: “enn...LONG”
“That is what she said” - someone in the background
21:05
Let's calculate the current stats:
They said one line gives 12 of these resources:
upgrade costs:
10
20
30
so in total 60
60 / 12 = 5 which means 5 lines
the USN has 5 lines, meaning all the resources instantly after the update
if you apply all the boosts you can grind out one line in under 4 weeks
gg, they think 4 weeks are a long time
@@kuhluhOG I see what you're saying, though it would be four lines for the US until they figure out CVs...
@@kuhluhOG as Flambass has explained it you would need to grind that stuff for every tech tree line new and for every tech tree line 3 times.
giggity
Me:
Richboi: Its only a blink of an eye if I pull out my cute credit card instant +3 and fuxk all of you poor ass up boi~~
What was WG smoking when they thought this was a good idea?
And where can I get some to make regrinding my lines SIX F***ING TIMES easier!?
It was the result of playing "Drunken Spreadsheets"
They'll sell it as a new exp buff in the premium shop under the name "Seal Tears".
correction: It's Insanity in progress
I left wot cause of bonds for enhanced Equipment. I'll leave wows over this
I would love to Thanks all CC players to stand up against them making this game better than screwed all up, they are one step further for being same as EA.
BTW Now I see Flamu in this video, Nice beard Flamu.. :)
This is fine, it only affects players that play the game. Those of us smart people who quit paying and playing decades ago, and stick to watching streamers, are not affected at all and are in fact, rejoicing at the prospect of watching all our favorite streamers cry out in agony as they suffer through yet more grinding.
So if we have to re-grind for the buffs, will our premium ships have all the buffs right away or do we not get any buffs for them at all?
the guy at the whiteboard sure seems like he is High as hell, almost like he dont understand the questions thats being asked. would probably be a good idea to get a proper translator or teach him english lol
Edit: the idea is cool in theory, in practice, not so much, as you said you'r self, the balance issues is gonna be immense aswell as the club is gonna be bigger, quite alot bigger indeed
Not to mention, his argument of someone playing a Montanna with a 0 point captain was, at best, intellectually dishonest. Who would play a Monty with zero captain skills?
The club is no longer a club, it's a sword. It's a sword and a very sharp one at that.
he has no idea that doing this in a PvP game is a REALLY bad idea.
they just need to remove the unfair advantage and instead add comfort or income boosts, like making the ships behave like premiums...all commanders of that nation can be used, extreme income boosts.
maybe even make the ships available even while still in battle...because u actually have 2 of them now :P
these are all nice to have bonuses that WONT affect other players in a negative way!!
Don't criticize other people's language skills when you lack them yourself.
@@lanefamily0508 Excuse me? - explain to me why i cant criticize language skills of the guy talking at the whiteboard? - stop being so darn sensitive my friend.
i didnt criticize just to criticize. its the fact that he is supposed to relay info to the CC's and in turn us considering the video. he should be able to understand and talk the language way better than he "SEEMED" to be. theres nothing wrong with pointing that out at all. which is also beside the point my friendly youtube commentator, to touch on you'r passive aggresive anger towards my english, sure im not the best at it, just like the guy in the video, its not my first language, which is quite alright. so id love to ask you plainly.. to pipe the fuck down and dont comment on things that really aint relevant, like my english :) you quite clearly understood me.
"Because people hate grinding and don't want to play ships they already have researched, we will force them to do so"
Welp, looks like WoWS is going up on Death of a Game 2-3 years ahead of schedule.
Listening to Wargamming hacks explaining their position reminds me of listening to politicians.
ToughAncientSpark vodka drinking politicians
So thats why u drink that 3 vodka in 20 min.......
F***** no!!! If this comes i quit the game!!!
I agree
"To give you veteran player more goals to stay in the game..."
Isn't that what the gameplay is for? Even if I had everything in the entire game unlocked, purchased, bought, etc, isn't the gameplay itself what's supposed to keep me interested in the game and keep me playing the game? If the ships and gameplay aren't enough to keep me playing then that's why we need more grind mechanics and big bonuses so we can keep veteran players interested in the game?
Grind is much easier to implement than good gameplay though. So, that's what most companies prefer.
WG don't want to understand that
Yeah! Great idea! Lets give the best players an even bugger statistical advantage! What could possibly go wrong?
This..........this is concerning
This was a thing in WOT when they dropped ranked and "Improved equipment", just now the buffs are more absurd and not a 20% increase to one specific stat, now it's 20% to everything
Imagine beeing in your Stock Amagi with stock consumables, 10p commander and not all upgrades.
Now Imagine youre in a fight with a Slava/Conqueror/Kremlin/GK with Tier 3 Upgrades unlocked.
Fun and Engaging enough?
I don't think anyone needs to waste a lot of words on this:
Wargaming, just don't. It's okay to have weird ideas, but guess what? IT'S ALSO OKAY TO THROW THEM INTO THE TRASH BIN WHEN YOU REALISE HOW HORRIBLE THEY ARE.
Seriously, fun idea, not for this game, please scrap it. EVERYONE will hate this. Period.
This would take WG uttering the phrase "we were wrong", and this is not something that they can do. It is why we are where we are with the game. If it is not their idea it is not a good idea, and all of their ideas are good. They are not able to internalize feedback, or incorporate it in any apparent way. It is mind boggling, but there it is. This Paragon thing just shows how little they do understand the player base, i figured it out almost a year ago, tried to get them to see another point of view but it just bounces off them. They are hard to understand. I really loved the game but since the summer of Magic Radar, it has just gotten worse, and the last 6 months was ridiculous... 12+months of in house work, 2 months of beta and 6 months of dicking around with CV?? and yeah... so disappointing.. like the smart kid that is arrogant enough to think they know it all ( like me right?)... it will be sad to watch it all trickle down the drain...
@@admiralelojfudpucker5051 That... paints an extremely depressing and worrying picture, and if that is true it will surely be the downfall of the entire company soon enough. I hope they learn to take feedback and actually critically look at their own ideas...
Right now they're staring to look a lot like the old U.S.S.R. regime, just without the Gulag (yet)
Instead of rewarding with ship upgrades that add to game imbalance, why not just incentivize us with small amounts of doubloons or coal or steel for each tier of ship that we regrind?
Seems to me it's all about milking the cows...guys who were in the game and aren't anymore...bring those guys back and milk them out with P2W mechanics and beat the shit out of the new players....the direction this game is taking makes me sad....
This is the kind of rubbish that made me quit playing world of tanks.
Same here. The phrase straw and camel comes to mind. No wonder Chase got rat arsed.
+1 same
After watching this,only one thing comes to my mind: cyka blyat comrade...
The logic given for this is seriously making me question their sanity. It makes *zero* sense.
"We will create system that requires months of grinding for casuals and maybe a few weeks for invested players (aka those who throw money at the game), therefore creating a huge gap between new/casual players and veteran players, but somehow this actually makes the gap smaller"
Makes perfect sense ... if you're high on heroin and drank too much vodka.
"If I want to play something for torpedoes ill go shima"
What game are they playing?
only important thing to keep in mind in this is that you can BUY the currency, and LOT of peoples will buy it, thats why this will exist not any other reason
These folks at War Gaming are delusional. They've created a solution to a problem that doesn't exist! This is insane!
Pretty much.
I've already got 12 Tier 10 ships and only 1 legendary module. How the hell do they expect me to grind ADDITIONAL for more upgrades. For me, this is a no based on what is shown. I don't think they even understand what they are doing and this is going to be like CV's. "let's just throw this shit out and see what works and then adjust" . Sorry, I think it might be time for me to move on to a new game after 4 years.
Pay2win.
Full stop pay2win.
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On the other hand....WG is right, the gap exists and has not been complained about by the CCs. Why now complain about it?
Elites have just wanted to beat on the seals. That drives sales faster...so, yes...this is going to be possible...and yes, it will CONTINUE the pay2win aspects of this game.
Nothing really changes. The only thing that has changed is that you now REALIZE exactly what the newer players are ALREADY dealing with.
I would rather they make an elite thing where you get a permanent camo or something along those lines. This will only punish people who don't have time and are not whales. Now in a 1v1 Vs a mirror ship the difference won't be skill it will be grind time. I really hope they don't go this way.
We know it will go thru though since feedback is not a thing.
Then put a EXP and Credit boost reward upon sinking a boosted ship and highlight the ship on the HUD. Better ship, higher risk !
Good idea, so they'll probably do the opposite!
All this talk by WG, but in the end it can be summarized in one sentence: " We want you to spend more money on Premium! "
*fxp conversion
WG is about to destroy world of warships
When this paragon System comes Live that's the last Day i'll play WOWS.. thanks Chase
is there like a refund button getting implemented?
lol, I kind of wanna my money back, but anyway, I just gonna stop spending more untill WG know what they are doing.
So i played since CBT, loved to play Tiers 5-8 got back to game for events (kamikaze grind ect.) but always kept WOWS installed on my PC. Grind in WoWS got MOBILE GAME level of being painfull with "currency of the month" overpriced pixel cash grabs like Benham grind. New ship lines are unbalanced, CVs are broken so much i can't get one plane shot down in Akizuki line ships and i'm being constantly spotted by planes since like 2 minutes into the match so that all about having fun in higher tier dds. Community is getting more toxic by day(you don't know what you are saying because you have only 1k battles in that ship kind) with devs just ignoring it as most of that crowd defends money grab practices mentioned before...
Listening to one of devs say that this buffs don't matter because your 19 points captain is op already is just so "Not Like this" moment...
but it makes me happy this video confirmed for me that choosing WOWS to free some of my hard drive space was a correct decision to make this morning...
This is the worst idea Wargaming has ever come up with, by far. Absolutely toxic. I'm a "veteran player" (unicum from CBT) and I want no part of this horseshit. It might be what drives me away from the game altogether. The thought of three-person, try-hard divisions with min-maxed prestige ships absolutely crushing gameplay makes my skin crawl.
My head hurts just thinking about this.
this sounds incredibly short sighted. keep our veteran players by making the game that much more difficult for new players. how exactly does this grow the games base?
It doesnt, it keeps the people already invested in the game. Its extremely short-sighted.
I like the "Specialization" idea used in World of Warplanes, where once you have elite status on a plane (warship for this i guess), you get access to extra missions you can do on that ship/plane in order to "Specialize" that plane. Specializing in WoWp gives your plane icon gold wings that players in games can see, it gives you bonus mod slots, is basically treated like a premium now for earning xp and credits, and a special icon to put on your plane as decoration. The missions are like (for bombers) get like 12,000 capture points (you can generally get about 300 a game or something), and 50 planes shot down with defensive turrets. For warships I can see missions like (for battleships) "sink 50 enemy ships with secondaries" and "capture/assist capture 15 zones" or something. The difficulty/length of the missions obviously varies by tier.
I'm only 9 minutes into this video, and I'm already going "So long, and thanks for all the fish". Game over.
Abn-so-lute-ly not! Whoever dreamt this up needs to be fired immediately!
This is madness.... WG are completely out of their mind.
You know, if I wanted to play a grindfest of a game with little regard for game balance and equally little sense of fulfillment and reward, I'd have played War Thunder.
Welp WG just found the " Final solution" in killing their game off. RIP boats.
the final solution to the f2p question
So they stole CoD's Prestige Idea, very Forward thinking of Wargaming
CoD's to advanced for them. This is "rebirth" stolen from the Roblox game my 7yr old is playing right now. They'll probably be adding pop ups to spend your robucks...I mean dubloons on shit during the match soon too 😜
Forget to say. well explanation by you ichase. congratz.
WG are you drunk?
And I was thinking Submarines were the big thing! Having a motivation to play trough lines again is no bad but balancingwise I can see lot of sh*t incoming!
It could be something good for the game, or something so disastrous that most of the current playerbase will be gone faster then WG can realize (I believe it'll be most likely the latter one).
I've been playing the game since closed beta and until the CV rework it was fine and manageable. After the rework the game has really gone nuts and this current stuff that WG is working on shows me, that they actually and really don't have a clue of what they are doing and what can possibly happen if they implement it (consequences for playberbase and the game itself). Or even don't want so solve existing problems first and create a fair and even experience for the entire playerbase.
It is really sad to see this, especially when players who represent the "playerbase" are giving the dev team of WG more then enough info and hints to make some stuff differently then they actually want to realize for the game.
Anyway, there're other games and stuff that i can enjoy.
Thanks for the headsup iChase, cheer up and keep going.
Now I see experienced players say "WORSHIP ME AND MY LEVEL 3 DONG!!!!"
I’m not completely opposed to this. However, the nightmare it will become for matchmaking is immeasurable. You’d need to separate the first time grinders from the vets who have the first upgrade unlocked and that would drive MM time through the roof. I think it’d be better for them to give you the ability to make a tech tree ship into a premium ship for doubloons. For example turn KGV into a premium for 5000 doubloons, gives you the permanent camo, more Credits and XP per battle and allows you to change commanders without training. The premium version would only be possible for players who have unlocked all the upgrades. Idk I think what they’re planning is an interesting idea but they’re doing it the wrong way.
I have 8k games, play comp and i will QUIT the game if they do this, i do not want to grind some bs line again just so i can compete with everyone else.
Hang on. Forget experience of the game, this system CANNOT be balanced. It's a logical paradox. You offer a player the chance to get better ships in exchange for more hours played. The player willingly plays more because they get a reward out of it. It it were balanced, there is no reward and thus no point grinding.
How can you trust wg to get this right when they cant even get the microphone to work right.
I hope that this "thing" never makes into reality. I don't want to re-grind my lines, no matter what upgrades they offer. This is basically the "prestige" from Call of Duty. I mean, you spend months for reaching tier 10, and then you re-grind?! No sir. The guy who thought this must be put in a black room and beaten. I know that this is just WIP, but the more i think of this, the more i think F**k you WG, I play this game for 3 reasons, I like ships, I literally love the Yamato, and most importanlty, i want to have FUN. It the only reason to play games, to have FUN.
Seems like a money grab, the veteran players have a lot of free xp they can use to instantly get their ship lines to paragon 3. Having the premium consumable becoming the default is great, unfortunately you can't use those when your dead to a ship that's doing 5-15% more damage in what would normally be a fair fight.
This is what happens when a free to play game gets old and stops gaining new players. They have to upsell the existing player base by making sure they have to buy premium coin to keep up. The "sunk costs" fallacy ensures that people that have spent years grinding will pay.
So let me make sure I understand: they're going to unleash experienced players who have at least 14 point captains, basically unlimited credits and copious amounts of free xp and captain's xp on a bunch of new players with basically no understanding of a game with a steep learning curve? With ships that also have free premium consumables? And after the second time around with ships stronger than the new players? How is this supposed to help expand the player base? This can only lead to new players getting even more frustrated with a game that takes time to learn and quitting. Heck even experienced players who don't grind much will be facing ships at all tiers better than theirs. You think they're going to stick around?
Its not, its meant to keep the current playerbase, in the game, grinding.
I Think it will be time to UNINSTALL .. almost did after the CV rework but sorry can u imagaine the Slava Stalingrad kremlin with ANOTHER 10% boost on accuracy so not balanced .......
hey at least thats -90% frustration on yourself and +60GB of space on your hard disk
All WG had to do long time ago was to remove 19 skill point limit on captains... At least set it higher, maybe only on legendary/historical captains. I would gladly stay with lower tier ships, and keep grinding captain to give him some "not so useful, but may be helpful in 1% of battles skills/perks". Hell, with some 22 points it would be possible to get superintendent on DD without sacrifiecing "must have" perks, so +1 smoke - easier life against carriers. So many problems solved or reduced. But no... let captain have 19 point limit, give elite comander xp, so you no longer have to grind it (I don't play that much and have over 1kk collected) - just boom: free xp + flags + camo speed grind, shiny new X tier instantly with the best captain possible...
Now: some brillant idea like that...
They need to lock paragon grinders games to only paragon grinders if they insist on doing this
1. I appreciate WG releasing all this information. It's an incredible level of transparency.
2. This will frustrate & drive away the normal player that can only play 4-6 hrs per week when he has a tier X, but is forced to play against the same ship only 10-20% better, not to mention any player skill gaps.
3. WG is WAAAAAY over estimating the impact of premium consumables. They need to research how many ships are sunk with unused consumables. I don't care if they are premium or not, that value is going to be a lot higher than they think.
4. WG needs to weigh the potential loss of veteran players that are bored with 20+ tier X ship vs the loss of your average players that cannot compete against these hyper-upgraded ships and quit.
I like that they are trying to expand and grow, but this is a VERY BAD IDEA.
there s a lot of coke circulating on WG headquarters
Lmao
Also, I have been playing since open beta and i have one t10. This is going to be additional content for 0.01% of players. That is insane.... AND it is only going to benefit the extreme players that DON'T NEED MORE POWER!! Their skill is more than enough of an advantage! Oh. My. God.
This is the AAA game answer to everything... git gud, grind more. Oh and bring the Nerf Hammer out every patch. This is not good for the game. Which sucks as I like playing. Thanks iChase for the overview and commentary. Please stay on as CC as long as you can. WG needs to hear these comments.
The WG employees are just between the rock and the hard place, the actual people calling the shots are not going to go face to face with the CCs or anyone else from the playerbase. They think they can force a lot of people to convert free xp and make them big $$$ so they're not going to budge.
And in the latest news, they are not going to upgrade silver ships but offering overpowered ships like the colbert (it got another buff recently and now has 600k HE DPM) and the slava and the community is suddenly like "yay WG listened" but oh no they didn't. Eventually people will vote with their wallet for real and thats when WG will actually listen.
Thanks for the video.
It does look like this is killing the game. It sounds like I might end this and look on for another game.
gaijjn botes has their doors open my man
Flambass' question pretty much nailed it right there. iChase, you laid out the explanation so that even they could understand the implications. Thank you, and the other CCs for sticking up for the player base. The look on Flambass' face at 24:40 is priceless - says it all. They are deluded to believe what they say at 26:55.
A better, more balanced approach would be if the levels would provide the ability to choose tradeoffs for the ships, rather than pure buffs. Provide several possible tradeoffs for each ship (e.g., slower traverse, faster reload; improved secondaries, increased dispersion for main battery; add some armor to one section, remove it from another; and so on) where each level of this new grind opens up a new tradeoff for you to choose or even customize with a slider within a range. This may open up new playstyle options and customization for the ships rather than just making experienced players OP via gimmick...ahem!... mechanic.
the rationalization about consumables bridging the gap and the problem already existing with captain point differences is laughable. They are going to ruin this game if they don't listen to you CCs.
Time to rekt t6 noobs with my 60% wr veteran squad(with upgraded ships)(we have more than enough money for premium consumables as well) that is not a thing I want to do newcomers will be hit with a massive curve ball the moment they hit t6 I can't see this being good for the overall health of the game
New player: its not possible to instantly sink a ship instantly 26 kilometers away from you...
yamato-player on paragon 3: hold my beer....
btw i have enough free xp to instantly skip complete 3 lines. So when its released, i get the first upgrade imedeately.
think my WOWS days are coming to an end
I have over 40 premium ships, and constantly run premium account. If WG pull the trigger on this stupid idea, I will immediately quit, never coming back. The devs have lost their minds.
Do you need more proof that WG devs have NO CLUE about their own game ? They are totally clueless ... they have issues with current balance not talking about the combinations they create with this system ...
I don't think these guys really play the game.
Take notes from dead by daylight. Every time you complete a line you get cosmetics to your ship. Instead of having a balancing hel, but your works to making cool stuff to the ship. Have your Montana shoot American theemed tracer shells and be covered in pictures of Uncle Sam. Changing stats and giving boost should not be a thing, unless you want to make the game harder for veterans and easyer for the new players.
Stopped playing a little after 8.0, I feel like I made the right choice. Any other naval games coming soon? Also the Flamu laugh? Lol
WTF!!! Wargaming is clearly dillusional! thinking that they can have the most well balanced MMO! If they go with this, then i'll be leaving the game.