I’ve tried for years to get friends to stop sharing sermon clips of his. I didn’t even know about this, it was simply because of his teaching. Just because something makes you feel guilty, doesn’t mean it’s good, Biblical teaching. If it isn’t true, it’s spiritual manipulation and extremely dangerous.
I wasn’t a member of MBC during Pastor Solomon time but myself and children attended many great events from MBC when he was there. I also listened to Pastor Solomon each week. To see the downfall of this wonderful church is disheartening. As a black woman this grieves my heart.
I was a member there and attended for many years, beginning in 1986 when the church was still in the original building, before we moved out of Virginia in 2016 (and Lon was still pastor). There were so many wonderful ministries, Bible studies, Access Ministries for children with special needs etc. I took several Precept Bible studies there. This is where I was baptized and my faith got established solidly because of Lon's teaching. His Spiritual Bootcamp series was excellent. When I first started attending there was also a Sunday evening service, which I eagerly attended. The music ministry was fantastic; they had "Christmas in McLean" every year for the community, several nights, always well attended. I was there when the Solomons' daughter Jill was born and when they discovered her seizure disorder. This really shattered Lon, and Brenda as well, so overjoyed to have a daughter after three boys. So I was also there when the original building was expanded (with all the objections from the neighbors and the Fairfaix County Board of Supervisors), and we were in a high school for Sunday services for several years. Then they acquired the property in Vienna which was formerly the headquarters of the National Wildlife Federation (again with objections from the neighbors). There was a believing Jewish gentleman on the Board of Supervisors at the time, and I believe that was one of the factors that led the Board to approve our purchase and work on that property, which, believe me, was absolutely prime property in Northern Virgina. So I really saw the growth of MBC. It was astonishing. David Platt has betrayed MBC. There were many Jewish believers at MBC. To say my heart is deeply grieved over this is an understatement.
I sat under David Platt in a church in Alabama. He was a rock star at our church. The bylaws where adjusted as David was too young to pastor this church. Our 2 youngest girls grew up under his teaching. Both have walked away from God. David filled his staff with all his buddies from New Orleans. Filling out a missions trip form was PAGES long (I gave up 3 pages in), His hand picked children's minister refused to baptize our 7 year old as again, PAGES long forms to fill out and he said she could not articulate the gospel clearly enough to be baptized in front of the church. Other parents in our small group gave in and wrote their childrens testamonies which the children stumbled over large theological words. There are many other situations that I made excuses for. When he left and we left, I was SO beaten down! Full of guilt I wasnt doing enough for God, wasn't bearing enough fruit and questioning my salvation my childrens salvation. Wondering why I wasn't adopting and/or fostering needy kids, staying up half the night to host or attend underground church groups....years out I'm still tired and addicted to cult videos. Guess thats why this one came up on my feed. Nice to know I'm not crazy. I was pretty spot on.
“addicted to cult videos” Not sure I’m taking your word in this one. As for your children, I’m truly sorry. However, it’s not your pastor’s job to parent your children and teach them about the life of Jesus.
Pseudo gospel of Lordship salvation is a wrecking ball of self righteousness snd condemnation. The true gospel of grace (1 cor 15:1-4) Liberates people from bondage. My heart aches for your traumatizing treatment at the hands of a very popular tare.
@@TheCJMurph14 I didn’t see anywhere that she said the pastor was responsible for teaching her kids about Jesus. Rather, she expressed frustration and heartbreak that Platt put unreasonable expectations on her children. Additionally, a pastor has influence and the Bible recognizes and puts heavier expectations on them because of this. James 3:1. Read carefully.
This is unfortunately what a False Gospel does. Read Galatians and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. If you still feel like you need help Check out Grace Evangelical Society or Thru the Bible by Vernon McGee.
She wrote that her children grew up under his teaching and in the next sentence she wrote that they both walked away from God, as if he was the result of that. To me, that sounds as if she placed the responsibility of her children’s faith in the hands of her church and not her household. I could be wrong, but that’s how it appeared to me.
And that's why Paul sends Titus to lift up elders and pastors from WITHIN the churches. It is ALMOST ALWAYS in the best interest of a local church to have Godly men as pastors who have been raised from the ranks of the church and not some stranger hireling to come "pastor" a flock he most likely doesn't know well enough or cares about enough.
Thank you for posting this. David Platt came to our church to give a sermon one time about five years ago and all he did was recite word for word the first eight chapters of Romans until he eventually started running out of time so he started slurring words and speaking so quick sometimes you couldn’t understand what he was saying. I thought that was very fishy and I told my wife and my daughter something seems off about this guy because we can read the Bible ourselves were here to hear a sermon and he’s just literally quoting scripture without any explanation or exegesis. The fact that he had memorized that much scripture was impressive, but it was very telling that he didn’t want to explain any of it to edify the listeners. It really felt like it was simply an exercise to impress people. It was the exact opposite of slow careful reverent exegesis.
I remember that service. We had moved out of Viginia by that time, but I remember watching it, and I know that people were astonished at his memorization. I made a phone call that day to friends who were there and who had led our Sunday School class. They said it took some time for the congregation to realize he was reciting the text from memory and not merely reading it. And you are 100 percent correct in your analysis. He was trying to impress the congregation. Frankly, I think his manner is creepy.
It is impressive to memorize that much scripture, but, we must remember, that is not the mark of faithfulness. Nikita Khrushchev for example, (the USSR dictator before Gorbachev) as a boy, memorized all four gospels for some candy, and according to him, he didn't believe any of it, and later grew into an ardent an atheist.
@@MrTerp32Indeed, continuing in God's word (John 8:31-32), must be believed that it is God's word (1 Thessalonians 2:13), to effectual work in those that believe. To be honest, David Platt just seems like a Marxist.
Wow, this is exactly what I said to my husband the first time I heard Platt preach! It was so strange. I had a very weird feeling about him, like he was phony. I think you & I both got discernment from the Holy Spirit on that one.
The comments from people who were triggered by the inclusion of a patriotic song recognizing God's providence to his people through this nation are remarkably revealing and yet so predictable. Exposing the cultivation amongst my generation of this absurd allergy to praising the Lord for our cultural inheritance & honoring our ancestors is one reason that, as an editor, I decided to include it in the documentary. (I knew the knee-jerk reaction that was coming, one that would honestly shock my parents' and grandparents' generations.) It's also because it parallels with what is forthcoming later in the doc with a VERY different 4th of July service that was devoted to lambasting everyone who didn't vote the way Platt had instructed them to in an elder election.
The moment he inserted CRT into his sermons, he (like so many who prescribe to this ideology in the church) then moved members to focus on their skin color as their identity instead of focusing on Christ as their rightful identity.... regardless of ethnicity. This country isn't JUST "black" and "white", it's practically every culture in between making it the greatest melting pot on earth....I say this in appreciation as a Latino. And Platt's guest pastor is wrong in every assumption and example he gave regarding racism and the Gospel. Racism isn't JUST a white thing or black thing, it's a SIN thing and no one race is immune from it . DEI and CRT are not means to overcome disunity, they are means to keep it alive and Mr. Platt showed extreme lack of discernment (and possibly pandering, white guilt) to implement a man-devised idea for unity when it's ONLY in Christ where unity is ever achieved to advance His Kingdom.
DEI is the most comparable thing to restitution in hiring. It doesn’t even begin to compete with the centuries of white people being given preference for being white. Attempting to make things right after a nation has sinned is a Biblical principle. And since you are not Black, I don’t think you understand how much damage the white American church has done to the Black people who were supposed to be their brothers. Mentioning race doesn’t keep racial tension going, ignoring it does.
Well said! As an Asian, the way race is being used right now is nothing but a means to distract us from our true identity in Christ. There is only one race, is the human race. Racism is not the issue; human depravity is the problem.
I understand church leader abuse. I experienced it physically, emotionally, spiritually, and mentally from 2011-2013. My hope is that all people who have experienced abuse in any form from church leaders do not despair and stop trusting in God, the Word of God, and true fellow believers in Jesus. 🙏
My daughter and I experienced spiritual and emotional abuse from 2020-2022 at an independent Baptist after leaving the SBC. It’s taken us about 2 yrs to recover. Manipulation on the Scripture by church leaders and their sheep is no joke!! So damaging! But yeah, it’s not God’s fault! It’s man!!! So keep the faith in Jesus!! His Word never changes!
Yes! & money can buy power & power gives you the platform to amasse money! Power corrupts Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and semantics, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind who are devoid of the truth. These men regard godliness as a means of gain. 1 Tim 6 ... "No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus. So He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is prized among men is detestable before God." Luke 16
Growing up in independent missionary baptist church start ups, I remember thinking how easy it would be to be infiltrated and taken over by cunning deceit. This is even more despicable than I envisioned many years ago.Bring on part 2!
calvinists are EXPERTS at lying and deceit and infiltration. when you believe God DECREED ALL THAT COMES TO PASS, that would include your own sin. So if God decreed for you to lie, why feel guilty about it?
Wow. Our church was doing a lot of his classes and we did some late night weekends listening to his “Secret Church” (underground church) classes. During Covid, my church pretty much dismantled and went into home church mode which seems to be after David Platt’s “model” which led to a bunch of destruction and a ton of people left after that. This happened here in Arizona.
This is an excellent & important series, though sickening and discouraging as hell. But it needs to be said. Kudos to Burke and Co.! God have mercy on MBC. The MBC elders grossly failed to protect the flock. Whether it was (1) incompetence, (2) cowardice or (3) duplicity.
So many red flags . . . The word "celebrity" should NEVER be used in the evaluation of any pastoral candidate. Any "pastor" who is not involved in the spiritual care of those he is supposed to be shepherding is not a pastor.
Leaving a comment for the algorithm. My heart goes out to all of my brothers and sisters who have been affected by this. I hope you all rest in the truth of Romans 12:19 ❤️
The pastor's mission is to promote Truth Gospel not Social Gospel. Sadly many "popular" preachers have followed this pattern, David Platt, Matt Chandler, Rick Warren and the list go on...
I was a member of Mclean Bible Church when Platt came and attended a BLM riot. He also appointed a DEI hire of Pastor Mike. I feel sympathy for Pastor Mike because he was just minding his own business (although he attended the BLM riot as well).
Years back i took a class on his book Radicsl - stayed with it for several weeks but for some reason it didn't set well and I dropped out. I haven't followed until I saw a video about him on you tube , watched a youtube video of a sermon (i felt like I was back in that class!), and read a commeny about the dramatic decrease in attendance as well as in offerings - and I knew in my spirit that something is very, very wrong. I love my church and would be devaststed if this happened here so I pray for those who left MBC that they find a church home thst offers peace and comfort for them; and I pray for those who are still there that they will be guided by God’s Spirit and not David Platt who by now has a track record that is alarming and doesn't sound Biblical at all to me.
Sadly,.the elders opened the door to the devil by allowing a false teacher to take over the church. And as the devil does, he destroyed the church. But God will restore it through a remnant of faithful believers. In Jesus' name, amen.
soon - one or two tweaks. We bring out all the evidence en masse in pt 2. We hope this gives some hope to many churches that are in the same plight. GOD Bless
Thank you for sharing. I knew Dave had pastored a church elsewhere and wondered if Dave was like this always or did he change for the worst at some point. It seems now he is greedy and wants power. I guess this is the fruit of false teaching.
@@sandypidgeon4343Right on! We've been through similar trials but on a micro level (80 membership Church) but the pain and the wounds were just as deep a year later. Sadly, most stayed because they are non discerning passive sheep. The 30 year pastor was installed by his father the year before when we first started attending the church without any input from anyone. One Sunday the father got up, told us he was 'called' out west to start another church and his son would take over, boom. We tried our best for a year to serve the Lord with starting a support group for men struggling with porn/sex addictions and a seperate group for the wives. I volunteered to lead worship. He, by himself, decided to remove the old pews and spend $11,000 on 180 fancy new chairs (we only had 80 people!) and another few thousand on renovations on a leased building. Furthermore he continued to always correct me or tell me how I should play (I'm 65 and I've played guitar for 50 years! I don't need advice) Anyway after my attempts at bringing up these issues over a coffee, his face turned red, his smile gone and he just said, "I guess you'll be leaving." He got up and walked out. That was nearly year ago and we cry for the friends we met there and are oblivious to his control and manipulation. We trying other churches but its not pretty out there. One Baptist church we tried ended up being pro LGBT and would rather watch The Chosen then read their Bible!! Sorry for the rant. Sad but really great doc.
I was the same way but my reasoning wasn’t as sound as yours probably… he got big when i was new to the faith and i didn’t hear anything “off” at the time.. but i absolutely hated his voice 😂 i couldn’t listen to it. Now i can get past this but not a fan of his teaching, especially the CRT stuff but his voice still annoys me 😂
Where is part 2? I also want to give David Platt a benefit of the doubt but I can’t. It sounds like he intentionally mislead the congregation. This is so heartbreaking.
There are so very many wolves, false teachers, false prophets and apostles around worlswide. And there is so little of the spirit of discernment. Not meaning as an attack towards mclean bible church and the people who were hurt and abused. I so feel for them. I can sense through the stories of the church members how warm and pure bible based and growing and blooming this church was under there pastor Solomon. As an example how a church can function as a through Body of Christ having an impact on the world around them. And how heartbreaking that David and the other greedy wolves destroyed this. Praying for all these people that were so hurt. I went through so much myself here because of false teachers, teachings in my Nation. One day al these men that caused so much harm to churches worldwide will have to answer befor God. Blessings to you all.❤🙏
Even when I was listening to Paul Washer several times a week, I stopped at two sermons total, by David Platt, as he made me feel so dreadful about myself. He was legalistic to the point of putting extreme burdens on me. These poor, poor people who sat under his teaching!!!
And Platt drives a Jaguar Range Rover and lives in one of the richest county's in the USA in a million dollar home. There are lots of slums in the area he could live in if he chose to practice what he preaches. Btw Jaguar Range Rover price range ($120,000 to $371,000).
@@hrvatska8786I reread the comment, I think she means platt made her feel so dreadful, even compared to Paul washer (which I don't get bc washer's preaching doesn't make me feel bad, it's encouraging) but I get it
This helps make so much sense of something that's been bothering me. We are doing a lesson right now in one of our Church groups that is a video series by a man who was at one point very close to David in his previous church in Alabama. And they make me angry honestly. They're filled with so much judgement, and not from God but from men. Yet I never feel that when I'm listening to Paul Washer. Washer challenges me. This style of preaching/teaching makes me feel awful.
Ye are the salt of the earth. But if the salt have lost his savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and to be trodden under foot of men. - Matt 5:13 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. -Acts 20:29-31 This is what happens to churches when they fail to obey and watch. 😢
I met his mother and the stories she told about him were horrendous 😖 he’s not a good person!! I read 1 Cor 3: 16-21 this morning and came back to edit my comment- this is exactly what the LORD will not tolerate !! He actually attempts to expose a twisted truth to benefit himself by emotionally beating others up with his translations 😵💫 A cult leader does the same!! Our Good Shepherd is GOOD! We feel safe and protected in His presence -- NOT captive and imprisoned!
And also changing the gospel message focused on the cross and our Lord Jesus…to focus on racial issues and stoking the fires of racism…and victimhood…and the disadvantage! This is Marxism!
@@lorrainethomas4736 Yes. There are some churches which are in Acts 29 that are in the SBC as well. It kind of came out of the young, restless and Reformed movement. Some of the men in it are really good. Others have git sucked into the vortex of CRT. But there's at least one church I heard about where the members accused the Acts 29 guy who became the pastor as operating in similar ways to what the video says about Platt. Sacking the elders to install his own guys etc.
@@AndalusianIrish you know a link to website or something? I have a pastor friend of mine who’s involved in some movement with that name but not sure if it’s the same
It’s been really sad to see McLean’s descent into liberalism. The old McLean Bible was my first church after God saved me, and I was there through the whole building project and move into the new building.
These are Marxist trained false teachers..often through Jesuit indoctrination and training….who are the most cunning ungodly evil people on the planet! I believe another one was Tim Keller! They are truly Angels of Light!
You always have to be careful with these kind of things. People are telling their perspective of things that came with change. Hurt or feeling deceived are not justifiers for slander and gossip.
Just wanted to say my heart goes out all the Godly people who were deceived and mistreated by David Platt and McLean Bible Church's leadership. It's especially sad knowing Lon Solomon was a true man of God with a heart for preaching Jesus Christ and ministering to the people in his church. Seeing his legacy just bulldozed as it was is terrible. One more thing: I've watched both parts of the documentary and the most telling thing I observed was when the motion was made at a business meeting to remove David Platt as lead pastor. Up to that point, Platt had been dodging questions about whether McLean was affiliated with the SBC. During that time, he tried to be outgoing and congenial. But as soon as that motion to dismiss him was made, his demeanor totally changed. He didn't just go silent. His face looked like a frightened little boy who wanted his Daddy to get him out of there. It's clear he didn't think anyone would challenge him to that extent. After that meeting is when members' names started disappearing from the member lists and the votes became shady. My personal opinion is that this was mostly about money. The SBC saw McLean Bible Church was doing great and wanted that money to go to programs run by the SBC, so they got Dale Sutherland in there to ramrod David Platt into the lead pastor position. As someone who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church, I am appalled that a denomination that was so committed to Biblical inaccuracy and the true gospel of Jesus Christ has fallen so far...and I knew this before I had even heard of David Platt! God Bless the true believers from McLean!!
He doesn’t preach salvation by keeping the law. We all know we strive by faith to obey God’s command because we have been eternally saved. Now, I don’t support his view on race relations.
This shouldn't be a bash of Mr. Platt. Instead, we should pray in tears and ask God to change his heart. Salvation should be the foremost of our Christian minds. It saddened me to read some of these posts and not be in the mind to pray.
“Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.” 2 Timothy 4:14-15 ESV
It should be exactly a bash of Mr. Platt. You don't feed your sheep to a wolf unless you are also a wolf! That church was built on a foundation of non affiliation and Platt was plainly aware that what he was doing was illegal and immoral. I would pray that God would change his employment status!
Bashing and exposing are two different things. Yes, we should pray that God changes Platt's heart. But why are you so concerned about only his situatrion? HE did damamge to a church that was founded and set up to NEVER be in a denomination....then he and his cronies joined the SBC and lied about it. He silenced members of his church. He broke trust and faith with his congregation. He hurt them! So why aren't you concerned with praying for the restoration of those he hurt? Why aren't you praying for the people he willingly betrayed to serve his own interests? Do they not count? Or is it just about praying for the celebrity pastor?
So sorry you dedicated to God folks went thru that evil take-over. Great that you made such a thorough documentary, exposing these types of take-over. May other churches become fore-warned
I’ve never been into David platt. I knew who he was, but had never heard him speak or read anything of his. The first time I ever heard him speak was at the first clip of this doc, at T4G, and I knew there was an issue with this guy. Plus he always sounds drunk. 😅 I’m no longer a Calvinist…but at the time I was at T4G I was. I share my story on my channel on how I came out of Calvinism. If you’re interested in listening: ruclips.net/p/PL7NHwcDBvYYgBpbanrKrRAAI90mCQhOfI&si=CYUbftFiKaJV-dCG
Here’s my attempt at a balanced comment that most won’t like. There are some issues here that should be confronted. But some of the issues here weren’t necessary to confront. And confronting everything weakens the focus that’s needed to confront the bigger things. Issues worth confronting: financial confusion and critical race theory. Issues not worth confronting: new pastor isn’t like the old pastor and the new pastor made changes to the ministries. It’s also not wise to engage in strong characterizations out of unprocessed hurt. I’m not defending Platt, but effectively exposing ungodliness in a way that’s more focused can more effectively get your point across.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the pastors are different point is over simplified. I think they were trying to point out the way they went from a strong gospel outreach to almost nothing. Plus, how cutting funding for all of these programs left a surplus that they had no idea how it was being utilized. In my eyes, both strong concerns for a church.
I know you’re trying to be “fair”, but I think you’ve minimized some real issues here. The focus wasn’t on comparing the old pastor and new guy. The issue is also not about making changes. To reduce deception, thievery, invasion (replacing leaders with your mates) etc. to just “changes” is foolish.
@@jencl3863 I’m not reducing deception, thievery, and invasion as just changes… I’m specifically referring to people discussing how Platt made changes to ministries. Was there not a clip about Platt saying something about inter generational groups? My point is to focus on the biggest issues and not get people lost in the weeds. Your comment is inaccurately representing what I said.
Follow the money! It ALWAYS leads to the wolves within churches. I believe MBC made one huge mistake at the start of their growth. They should've become a church planting churches by selecting mature and wiling Christians to go out and plant other churches. There is absolutely NO NEED for a congregation of more then a few hundred people, if that. Church membership should stop a certain number (?) and from there send them out!to reach the lost.
ah no - MBC was a big church with a small church feel. Platt took the money for church planting in the DC area...almost all failed. this drained the church of money so he could put "check marks" on how many churches he planted.
I've been in ministry for a couple of decades now. I've also worked in the sciences/manufacturing for a number of years. While Platt clearly has issues, this is a multi-level failure to manage change that could have been avoided. Frankly, I'm surprised that MBC leadership weren't prepared for this scenario when they had to replace Lon. This is a common scenario faced by churches who replace a founding pastor. Unfortunately, Platt's personality mixed with the timing of cultural issues formed a destructive vortex. I'm also shocked that SBC seminaries are producing leaders like we're seeing today. I'm saddened that MBC was the center of all this.
In retrospect Lon Solomon betrayed the church. John 10:12 "But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep."
God bless Lon Solomon and may God comfort Lon’s heart in a mighty way. So heart wrenching to know David Platt, Dale Sutherland and whoever else deceived God, Lon Solomon, McLean Bible Church and the congregation. Praise God I listened immediately when the Holy Spirit gave me discernment and left the church after a couple messages….still a follower of Pastor Lon. Listen to the Holy Spirit and act…..the devil is a liar, he steals, kills, and destroys!!! 😢
I remember seeing this guys Woke speech/sermon around the time things were blowing up and every so often I would wonder about him and what kind of a church this must be. I'm sorry to hear your stories but happy to hear it wasn't the congregation gone wrong. I hope you all recover your former days
[FWIW, I'm in the documentary. ] I was NOT so much upset about the MBC becoming an SBC church, but the fact that a sacred contract was broken and there was false advertising and then a cover up. I actually was almost glad MBC became part of a big denomination and therefore part of a bigger family. FWIW, I'm more Presbyterian than Baptist anyway.... But, in retrospect, after my ordeal, realized the SBC of today is not the SBC of 40 years ago. It is so corrupt and declining (like a lot of churches). And the SBC was involved in a half-billion (BILLION) dollar scam 20 years ago (which is a billion in today's dollars), but that's not talked about enough. Google "Arizona Baptist Foundation" if you are curious... I'm the one who said in the documentary, I felt welcome at MBC because pastor Solomon became a Christian in part because of his study of enzymes (Solomon was a student of chemistry and archaeology as well as the Bible). Lon's study of enzymes showed that I faith to be built on facts rather than celebrity preachers. Many of the older generation at MBC still remembers Lon's sermon on enzymes.
Watch the documentary, spend a bit of time to read up, and invest some work to investigate the issue. You are literally connected to the greatest database of human information ever conceived, which can be searched in seconds.
The baptist Sunday school committees own count puts the estimated freemason membership count at one million one hundred thousand freemasons in the SBC. Now go find the 1970 movie with Glen Ford called " Brotherhood of the Bell". You won't even have to watch the whole move before you see the light.
Not just DAVID.. SBC SHOULD Apologize also.. J.D. Greear was the president of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) from 2018 to 2021. During his tenure, he faced challenges related to race, sex abuse, and declining membership. Here are some of the events that occurred during Greear's presidency:  Sex abuse allegations: Greear acknowledged the need for more action on sex abuse allegations against current and former Southern Baptist ministers and volunteers. Leaked letters during the end of his presidency suggested that some denominational leaders were trying to block efforts to address these allegations.  Controversial statements: Greear joked about rumors that he received funding from George Soros and flew around the country in a private plane paid for with Southern Baptist donations. He also said that he considered lies about SBC leaders to be "demonic".
Me thinks David Platt & his minions have something to hide... For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. John 3:20
Ever since I was asked to read his Radical book by a pastor I served under, I always had a reservation about Platt. I had always hoped I was wrong and I surely hate that I was right.
I had the same experience. After, I read his little book, I ended up throwing it out. His tone was very legalistic, arrogant, and self righteous (based on my own experience), I would even add somewhat Cultic. He lost me when he urged families to no longer go on vacations but mission trips…. And to spend at least ten percent of your time in another cultural context…
And Platt drives a Jaguar range rover and lives in one of the richest county's in the USA in a million dollar home. There are lots of slums in the area he could live in if he chose to practice what he preaches. Btw Jaguar Range Rover price range ($120,000 to $371,000). None of the congregation knows what his total compensation is, even after the lawsuit which only got a fraction of the desired documents.
@@EvidenceandReasons The part about the church being in the dark about the spending and finances of the church is mind boggling to me. I can’t imagine being in such a place. The church where I am a member provides a complete breakdown of all finances each quarter and when we give we can dictate which funds our money is put towards. I couldn’t faithfully contribute where things are so hidden and kept in the dark.
@@christyler6234Well, yes and no. Unless they are printing the reports straight from the accounting system rather than “giving you a report” you still need to trust that you are getting the whole, true story. Even if it’s visually wonky I’d ask for the docs to be directly printed from the accounting system.
I read that MBC is an Elder- ruled church rather than Elder advised church. I am not familiar with Edler leading. Our pastor, in concert with our deacons, leads but all matters of any consequence (spending or of any othrt nature)are presented in a business meeting, discussed, either voted on or "continued" for a prescribed period of time for further study. I cannot imagine a system where those who ARE the local church have minimal input much less NO hand in the church government.
Well he has written 10 plus books and has speaking engagements all over the world. I don't agree with the CRT stuff that he dove into but this documentary is a bunch of disgruntled members who had an issue with CRT and then all the changes (which all churches go through especially after a legacy pastor leaves).
"Be careful. Don't treat sin like it's no big deal. And whatever you do, don't try to hide it. Don't pretend like it's not there. Sin thrives in secret. And sin will not remain secret." - He should do what he has said.
John 3:16 says “whosoever believes”. Not everyone. Those who believe. Also, 1 John 1:9 says that IF we confess our sin… That is a conditional statement. I’m sure there are others but those are the two that popped up in my head.
Funniest parts (paraphrases): Part 1 - People: “We only got straight exegesis from Lon” Lon: “we’re going to unapologetically sing ‘my country tis of thee’” People: Platt’s in it for the money Same people: we had a formula that worked and got us up to 13,000 people and Platt ruined it Part 2 - People: “Platt took the gospel’s airtime [at church on July 4] to talk about people sowing division in the church” Same People: “it was July 4; how dare he not play the song for every military branch while we honor service members?”
so what is "funny" about it? Lon honored military members for a few minutes every July 4th...many in the congregation were military or retired military....what is your problem with that? He then preached....want to tell us your military service?
12 minutes in and I don’t understand what David platt did. I want to understand. 25 minutes in and I’m so disappointed in Pastor Dale and David. I’m sadden because I know so many people who are thriving under the current leadership and I’m hurt for these people effected by all of this. I’m sorry, I hope you all heal and receive justice. 😢
Looks like Platt is the SBC’s golden boy. They spotted McLean as a cash cow to funnel money into the SBC and Platt’s personal organizations (from which he also gets paid).
My wife and I have come to appreciate the ministry of Gary Hamrick and Cornerstone Chapel in Leesburg, VA which is very close to McLean. I know Gary warns against most of the things that are being promoted by progressive liberals in the last 10-20 years so he wouldn’t agree with David’s promotion of these either. I hope he stays on the “straight and narrow.”
She didn't elaborate on what she meant by "Affiliated". The SBC has ZERO authority over local churches. Literally ZERO. Giving 0.8% of your budget to SBC causes (which I would hope an Evangelical church would align with) does not mean you're an SBC church. There are countless independent baptists that contribute to the cooperative program. And guess what? They are still independent baptists....I think David was being kind by not making the woman look stupid in front of the crowd.
I’m an SBC member.. i understand exactly what the SBC can and can’t do. However, as a grown man that’s a pastor and a leader… he was being very dodgy and seemed very hesitant… and even if you want to ignore that part.. the rest of the documentary proves that he was being dishonest.
@@Reader234 He wasn't though. If someone who you know has bad intentions and is trying to get you in a "gotcha" type bad faith question, you'd be careful with your words too. A slanted documentary that is edited by the "offended party" is not going to be charitable.
This is clearly just a hit piece with manipulative video editing. Most of the attention is given to whether David was leading the church he was pastoring (while being president of an SBC organization) to be affiliated with the SBC. A few angry people making a big deal over something that should never have been an issue. If they didn't want to affiliated with the SBC, they shouldn't have hired David.
The great thing about SBC lackeys trying to pooh-pooh the content is that the comments just boost the video in the algorithm. Thanks, buddy! Anyone putting the word "sojourners" in their username is decidedly outside of the target audience.
The elders who let this man into the church must have seen something in this man for him to be there. It’s hard to believe that is was blissful ignorance on the part of the elders.
@@lorrainethomas4736 if only more elders would understand that the Flock they are tending belongs to The Lord God. Imagine the account a person would have to give as to why one of his sheep are injured by the wolves they should have been watching for.
I’m not surprised that they wanted to diversify the worship leaders because honestly, predominantly white churches tend to lean to a certain aesthetic that is not familiar to the black and brown community. As a black person who desires to diversify my black church, I have stepped down willingly so my Spanish and white sisters and brothers could integrate our worship experience. Why? Because we want all races to feel and know they are welcomed. Our song choices changed as well to diversify our worship music selection. I believe no church should have a black or white sound, but the moment it’s called out in BOTH churches, people get offended instead of asking themselves is this true if so what can we do it about it. I remember someone said, we have a preference and if people don’t like then they are not welcomed.
Wow- just on the denomination issue - what a train wreck. $2 million to SBC and had to find out about it from a lawsuit. Not a good day for a pastor. Wonder if he understands.
Our associate Pastor, Dale Sutherland, who Lon had put in charge of administering the church, had all the staff and elders read the book “Too Big to Fail.” They were scared the church would implode if and when Lon left. Then they got a chance to bring David in and forced Lon out prematurely
David had them hire a consultant, Wade Burnett, who said publically that they did not need him to consult. If they could get david they should hire him now! No one did the homework. They ignored warnings from members. This all started in the summer of 2015 when david first preached at MBC.
@@AK-rf2xd Attended MBC during Lon's Tenure. The $$$ went more into ministry in those days. Switched to Temple Baptist Herndon VA before moving to Knoxville TN 4 years ago.
You know, Jesus deeply loves His church. I don't want to know what is in store for those who harm His church and fail to repent of it. We need discernment in these last days to follow the Lord and not be led off course from the Gospel of Christ Jesus and the Word.
This documentary feels like just a bunch of angry members who hate change. The only valid complaint would be around financial issues. If true, an external audit would point them out. And if serious enough should be dealt with by the criminal and justice systems.
Around half of the congregation (over 13,000 when David came) left the church. That was not the intention of bringing David in, to have him completely change the church and turn half of the members off and force them to leave the church. That wouldn’t be a success by anyone’s standard
@@KM-jt4xh I watched churches split over non-nonsensical conspiracies, culture warring and politics over the past few years. People will live churches en-masse for a variety of beliefs and situations thinking that the "church has changed" about something. What exactly did David "change" that was outside of Christian orthodoxy?
I wish it were about angry members who hate change. Believe me. David is a wolf and was from day 1. Many tried to warn the elders, even the former pastor. There was crooked back room dealings to get him to MBC.
@@AK-rf2xd Feel free to post the evidence of your claims that there were "crooked back room deals" along with who were all involved and what were the terms of the deals.
Nothing about race but a lot about gender. The distinctions between male and female and their separate roles in society and the family are central to the Bible
Sorry I was unclear. Jesus did not pontificate about race and gender but clearly communicated we are all created in the image of God. Of course men and women are different - different roles, equal value. Any pastor spending this much time on something God didn’t stress is like Aaron, Moses’s brother- creating an idol.
Serious question and not making fun of Platt...When he speaks, he often sounds like deaf people I know who are able to talk. Is he hard of hearing? Regardless of that, this guy has some serious repenting to do. The shameful treatment of the former members, and faithful ones at that, is just awful.
He used to speak at a Christian camp/resort I grew up going to. The camp had different notable speakers every week, Lon was one of the few you would see hanging out at all the different facilities, taking with people, praying with them etc. Very pleasant, funny, real and godly man from what I could tell. Most of the other speakers you would only see behind the pulpit. Although David Platt came once and he was hanging around everyone as well lol.
unreal - see 36:55 - "Elders serve as a leader in that ministry if they would like to improve it but SUBMITS to the director (huh?!?) and INTERVIEWS FOR THE POSITION like other members of MBC". This shows Platt's contempt for the Elders - HE IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR THE ELDERS!!
You know- david has been and is a blessing to so many. But logic tells me - if you want to stay SBC - don't go to an independent church. Separate and both go do what God calls you to do. Stop the public fussing.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment, but the church did not want to be SBC. They wanted to be independent and it was David Platt that joined the SBC and started supporting their causes, without the knowledge of the church.
This is a fascinating documentary, and I do feel for those who have suffered. However, the warning signs about Platt’s questionable doctrine and practice were present in his early book “Radical,” which taught a very legalistic understanding of money and financial stewardship, and it’s sad to see that many people either did not know about it or did not care.
I look forward to watching and learning. Knowing this was forthcoming I have some questions… It’s my understanding that Lon Solomon signed a non disclosure agreement (‘NDA’) when he left MBC. I’m curious what was confidential/sensative in a normal pastoral transition that needed an NDA? I am assuming Lon approved of the transition to David, which stands in opposition to what I had thought which is…Lon (and I could be wrong and folks have a right to change their mind) repeatedly and publicly stated he was staying in the McLean Bible pulpit til the Lord called him home? Do folks that put this video together think Lon and the all male elder board were “hoodwinked/purchased a lemon?” Also, why didn't Lon stay the lead pastor at MBC? Did the elders ask Lon to move on or was it Lon’s decision? Has the NDA expired? If so, has Lon publically addressed the questions we all have?
Yes, Lon said many times he would be there until he died. In my opinion, he was pushed out. He left at the same time all the other white men over 50 were told they had to retire or they would be fired. They signed NDAs in order to keep their severance or retirement. Why would an NDA be necessary in a church? I have no idea but there were a lot of weird, secular things that happened during this time, starting by firing white men over 50
@@KM-jt4xh so the elders who Lon worked for said Lon was no longer wanted? And somehow at least according to the first 23 minutes, Dale Sutherland, an Associate Pastor who is white and over 50 at the time, is able to call the shots and “shove” Lon out? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Seems like he’d need unanimous elder (think they were also all white males and over 50) support, no?
@@robertcopelandiii8339 it was complicated…Dale Sutherland (not an elder) hired a consulting firm to ask how we could keep our church from imploding when Lon left and they recommended basically firing everyone on staff who was a white male over 50. Later, they supposedly took a survey at Tysons campus one weekend asking if people still liked Lon’s sermons, and they claimed the results showed people thought his sermons were repetitive. I have a hard time believing the majority voted that way. But they used that stuff to convince him to leave willingly
Larry Cooper and Dale presented lon with the NDA as a succession plan that would take place sometime in the future. Lon trusted these men (this is the big mistake). When Lon signed it they enacted it right away. He was locked in with his retirement, care for his disabled daughter, etc. He was 69 and had been told it was time for him to go. Very sinister to say the least.
@@robertcopelandiii8339 eventually Dale was pushed out too. You don’t have to believe me but this is what I believe happened. Dale and Wade Burnett convinced Lon to retire by telling him the congregation didn’t like his sermons anymore. They didn’t “fire” him or yes, that would’ve required the elders
This is so disappointing. I’m sorry to all of the people impacted by this. I’m heartbroken for you and will no longer support Pastor David Platt and his circle of leadership until they repent. Again I am so sorry and I thank you for revealing the deception.
I’ve tried for years to get friends to stop sharing sermon clips of his. I didn’t even know about this, it was simply because of his teaching. Just because something makes you feel guilty, doesn’t mean it’s good, Biblical teaching. If it isn’t true, it’s spiritual manipulation and extremely dangerous.
Exactly! Colossians 7:10 says “Worldly sorrow leads to death, but Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation!”
I wasn’t a member of MBC during Pastor Solomon time but myself and children attended many great events from MBC when he was there. I also listened to Pastor Solomon each week. To see the downfall of this wonderful church is disheartening. As a black woman this grieves my heart.
I was a member there and attended for many years, beginning in 1986 when the church was still in the original building, before we moved out of Virginia in 2016 (and Lon was still pastor). There were so many wonderful ministries, Bible studies, Access Ministries for children with special needs etc. I took several Precept Bible studies there. This is where I was baptized and my faith got established solidly because of Lon's teaching. His Spiritual Bootcamp series was excellent. When I first started attending there was also a Sunday evening service, which I eagerly attended. The music ministry was fantastic; they had "Christmas in McLean" every year for the community, several nights, always well attended. I was there when the Solomons' daughter Jill was born and when they discovered her seizure disorder. This really shattered Lon, and Brenda as well, so overjoyed to have a daughter after three boys. So I was also there when the original building was expanded (with all the objections from the neighbors and the Fairfaix County Board of Supervisors), and we were in a high school for Sunday services for several years. Then they acquired the property in Vienna which was formerly the headquarters of the National Wildlife Federation (again with objections from the neighbors). There was a believing Jewish gentleman on the Board of Supervisors at the time, and I believe that was one of the factors that led the Board to approve our purchase and work on that property, which, believe me, was absolutely prime property in Northern Virgina.
So I really saw the growth of MBC. It was astonishing. David Platt has betrayed MBC. There were many Jewish believers at MBC. To say my heart is deeply grieved over this is an understatement.
I sat under David Platt in a church in Alabama. He was a rock star at our church. The bylaws where adjusted as David was too young to pastor this church. Our 2 youngest girls grew up under his teaching. Both have walked away from God. David filled his staff with all his buddies from New Orleans. Filling out a missions trip form was PAGES long (I gave up 3 pages in), His hand picked children's minister refused to baptize our 7 year old as again, PAGES long forms to fill out and he said she could not articulate the gospel clearly enough to be baptized in front of the church. Other parents in our small group gave in and wrote their childrens testamonies which the children stumbled over large theological words. There are many other situations that I made excuses for. When he left and we left, I was SO beaten down! Full of guilt I wasnt doing enough for God, wasn't bearing enough fruit and questioning my salvation my childrens salvation. Wondering why I wasn't adopting and/or fostering needy kids, staying up half the night to host or attend underground church groups....years out I'm still tired and addicted to cult videos. Guess thats why this one came up on my feed. Nice to know I'm not crazy. I was pretty spot on.
“addicted to cult videos”
Not sure I’m taking your word in this one. As for your children, I’m truly sorry. However, it’s not your pastor’s job to parent your children and teach them about the life of Jesus.
Pseudo gospel of Lordship salvation is a wrecking ball of self righteousness snd condemnation. The true gospel of grace (1 cor 15:1-4) Liberates people from bondage. My heart aches for your traumatizing treatment at the hands of a very popular tare.
@@TheCJMurph14
I didn’t see anywhere that she said the pastor was responsible for teaching her kids about Jesus. Rather, she expressed frustration and heartbreak that Platt put unreasonable expectations on her children.
Additionally, a pastor has influence and the Bible recognizes and puts heavier expectations on them because of this. James 3:1.
Read carefully.
This is unfortunately what a False Gospel does. Read Galatians and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. If you still feel like you need help Check out Grace Evangelical Society or Thru the Bible by Vernon McGee.
She wrote that her children grew up under his teaching and in the next sentence she wrote that they both walked away from God, as if he was the result of that. To me, that sounds as if she placed the responsibility of her children’s faith in the hands of her church and not her household. I could be wrong, but that’s how it appeared to me.
And that's why Paul sends Titus to lift up elders and pastors from WITHIN the churches. It is ALMOST ALWAYS in the best interest of a local church to have Godly men as pastors who have been raised from the ranks of the church and not some stranger hireling to come "pastor" a flock he most likely doesn't know well enough or cares about enough.
Thank you for posting this. David Platt came to our church to give a sermon one time about five years ago and all he did was recite word for word the first eight chapters of Romans until he eventually started running out of time so he started slurring words and speaking so quick sometimes you couldn’t understand what he was saying. I thought that was very fishy and I told my wife and my daughter something seems off about this guy because we can read the Bible ourselves were here to hear a sermon and he’s just literally quoting scripture without any explanation or exegesis. The fact that he had memorized that much scripture was impressive, but it was very telling that he didn’t want to explain any of it to edify the listeners. It really felt like it was simply an exercise to impress people. It was the exact opposite of slow careful reverent exegesis.
I remember that service. We had moved out of Viginia by that time, but I remember watching it, and I know that people were astonished at his memorization. I made a phone call that day to friends who were there and who had led our Sunday School class. They said it took some time for the congregation to realize he was reciting the text from memory and not merely reading it. And you are 100 percent correct in your analysis. He was trying to impress the congregation. Frankly, I think his manner is creepy.
He is a fraud.
It is impressive to memorize that much scripture, but, we must remember, that is not the mark of faithfulness. Nikita Khrushchev for example, (the USSR dictator before Gorbachev) as a boy, memorized all four gospels for some candy, and according to him, he didn't believe any of it, and later grew into an ardent an atheist.
@@MrTerp32Indeed, continuing in God's word (John 8:31-32), must be believed that it is God's word (1 Thessalonians 2:13), to effectual work in those that believe. To be honest, David Platt just seems like a Marxist.
Wow, this is exactly what I said to my husband the first time I heard Platt preach! It was so strange. I had a very weird feeling about him, like he was phony. I think you & I both got discernment from the Holy Spirit on that one.
The comments from people who were triggered by the inclusion of a patriotic song recognizing God's providence to his people through this nation are remarkably revealing and yet so predictable. Exposing the cultivation amongst my generation of this absurd allergy to praising the Lord for our cultural inheritance & honoring our ancestors is one reason that, as an editor, I decided to include it in the documentary. (I knew the knee-jerk reaction that was coming, one that would honestly shock my parents' and grandparents' generations.) It's also because it parallels with what is forthcoming later in the doc with a VERY different 4th of July service that was devoted to lambasting everyone who didn't vote the way Platt had instructed them to in an elder election.
@@TheMaineReset thank you sir!
The moment he inserted CRT into his sermons, he (like so many who prescribe to this ideology in the church) then moved members to focus on their skin color as their identity instead of focusing on Christ as their rightful identity.... regardless of ethnicity. This country isn't JUST "black" and "white", it's practically every culture in between making it the greatest melting pot on earth....I say this in appreciation as a Latino. And Platt's guest pastor is wrong in every assumption and example he gave regarding racism and the Gospel. Racism isn't JUST a white thing or black thing, it's a SIN thing and no one race is immune from it . DEI and CRT are not means to overcome disunity, they are means to keep it alive and Mr. Platt showed extreme lack of discernment (and possibly pandering, white guilt) to implement a man-devised idea for unity when it's ONLY in Christ where unity is ever achieved to advance His Kingdom.
DEI is the most comparable thing to restitution in hiring. It doesn’t even begin to compete with the centuries of white people being given preference for being white. Attempting to make things right after a nation has sinned is a Biblical principle. And since you are not Black, I don’t think you understand how much damage the white American church has done to the Black people who were supposed to be their brothers. Mentioning race doesn’t keep racial tension going, ignoring it does.
Well said! As an Asian, the way race is being used right now is nothing but a means to distract us from our true identity in Christ. There is only one race, is the human race. Racism is not the issue; human depravity is the problem.
Perhaps Unity wasn’t his aim at all.
I understand church leader abuse. I experienced it physically, emotionally, spiritually, and mentally from 2011-2013. My hope is that all people who have experienced abuse in any form from church leaders do not despair and stop trusting in God, the Word of God, and true fellow believers in Jesus. 🙏
I’m so sorry that happened to you! I also second your hope and prayer that people won’t leave Jesus because of these things!!❤
@@alexr.3504 🙏📖🌹❤️🩹
My daughter and I experienced spiritual and emotional abuse from 2020-2022 at an independent Baptist after leaving the SBC. It’s taken us about 2 yrs to recover. Manipulation on the Scripture by church leaders and their sheep is no joke!! So damaging! But yeah, it’s not God’s fault! It’s man!!! So keep the faith in Jesus!! His Word never changes!
@mandygainey312 thank you dear Mandy for sharing. ❤️🩹🙏
I hope this documentary is seen worldwide! Also hope someone at the IRS is tuning in. I think they’d have a field day.
At the end of the argument... The issue is ALWAYS power and money!!!
Yes! & money can buy power & power gives you the platform to amasse money!
Power corrupts
Instead, he has an unhealthy interest in controversies and semantics, out of which come envy, strife, abusive talk, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind who are devoid of the truth. These men regard godliness as a means of gain.
1 Tim 6
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"No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all of this and were scoffing at Jesus. So He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is prized among men is detestable before God."
Luke 16
Growing up in independent missionary baptist church start ups, I remember thinking how easy it would be to be infiltrated and taken over by cunning deceit. This is even more despicable than I envisioned many years ago.Bring on part 2!
calvinists are EXPERTS at lying and deceit and infiltration. when you believe God DECREED ALL THAT COMES TO PASS, that would include your own sin. So if God decreed for you to lie, why feel guilty about it?
Wow. Our church was doing a lot of his classes and we did some late night weekends listening to his “Secret Church” (underground church) classes. During Covid, my church pretty much dismantled and went into home church mode which seems to be after David Platt’s “model” which led to a bunch of destruction and a ton of people left after that. This happened here in Arizona.
It was quite pathetic how most churches folded to the government during convid, a glaring lack of discernment
Ty for releasing this. This was important for me to hear. It’s sad to hear but the evidence seems solid. I hope David repents.
This is an excellent & important series, though sickening and discouraging as hell.
But it needs to be said. Kudos to Burke and Co.! God have mercy on MBC.
The MBC elders grossly failed to protect the flock.
Whether it was (1) incompetence, (2) cowardice or (3) duplicity.
Even when the truth is ugly, a little fresh air and light does a lot of good.
So many red flags . . .
The word "celebrity" should NEVER be used in the evaluation of any pastoral candidate.
Any "pastor" who is not involved in the spiritual care of those he is supposed to be shepherding is not a pastor.
The Narcissism of David Platt would have been a more accurate title.
Or maybe the story of The Ratt, David Platt! He is still Pastor there?? He a frigging criminal!
Leaving a comment for the algorithm.
My heart goes out to all of my brothers and sisters who have been affected by this. I hope you all rest in the truth of Romans 12:19 ❤️
The pastor's mission is to promote Truth Gospel not Social Gospel. Sadly many "popular" preachers have followed this pattern, David Platt, Matt Chandler, Rick Warren and the list go on...
I was a member of Mclean Bible Church when Platt came and attended a BLM riot. He also appointed a DEI hire of Pastor Mike. I feel sympathy for Pastor Mike because he was just minding his own business (although he attended the BLM riot as well).
Years back i took a class on his book Radicsl - stayed with it for several weeks but for some reason it didn't set well and I dropped out. I haven't followed until I saw a video about him on you tube , watched a youtube video of a sermon (i felt like I was back in that class!), and read a commeny about the dramatic decrease in attendance as well as in offerings - and I knew in my spirit that something is very, very wrong. I love my church and would be devaststed if this happened here so I pray for those who left MBC that they find a church home thst offers peace and comfort for them; and I pray for those who are still there that they will be guided by God’s Spirit and not David Platt who by now has a track record that is alarming and doesn't sound Biblical at all to me.
Sadly,.the elders opened the door to the devil by allowing a false teacher to take over the church. And as the devil does, he destroyed the church. But God will restore it through a remnant of faithful believers. In Jesus' name, amen.
Wasn’t it the board of directors who betrayed MBC?
I wept after watching this…..it broke my heart for the congregation and more importantly, it drug our Lord through the mud….tragic
When does part 2 drop?
soon - one or two tweaks. We bring out all the evidence en masse in pt 2. We hope this gives some hope to many churches that are in the same plight. GOD Bless
@@sandypidgeon4343 I sure am sorry this happened, David wa sour Pastor in Birmingham, he sure has changed the evidence seems clear.
@@preppedforeternityhomestea2848 it is very unfortunate - I thank you for watching and commenting. This is why we must follow Christ and not a Pastor.
Thank you for sharing. I knew Dave had pastored a church elsewhere and wondered if Dave was like this always or did he change for the worst at some point. It seems now he is greedy and wants power. I guess this is the fruit of false teaching.
@@sandypidgeon4343Right on! We've been through similar trials but on a micro level (80 membership Church) but the pain and the wounds were just as deep a year later. Sadly, most stayed because they are non discerning passive sheep. The 30 year pastor was installed by his father the year before when we first started attending the church without any input from anyone. One Sunday the father got up, told us he was 'called' out west to start another church and his son would take over, boom. We tried our best for a year to serve the Lord with starting a support group for men struggling with porn/sex addictions and a seperate group for the wives. I volunteered to lead worship. He, by himself, decided to remove the old pews and spend $11,000 on 180 fancy new chairs (we only had 80 people!) and another few thousand on renovations on a leased building. Furthermore he continued to always correct me or tell me how I should play (I'm 65 and I've played guitar for 50 years! I don't need advice) Anyway after my attempts at bringing up these issues over a coffee, his face turned red, his smile gone and he just said, "I guess you'll be leaving." He got up and walked out. That was nearly year ago and we cry for the friends we met there and are oblivious to his control and manipulation. We trying other churches but its not pretty out there. One Baptist church we tried ended up being pro LGBT and would rather watch The Chosen then read their Bible!! Sorry for the rant. Sad but really great doc.
Never cared for his "teaching." Now I know why.
I was the same way but my reasoning wasn’t as sound as yours probably… he got big when i was new to the faith and i didn’t hear anything “off” at the time.. but i absolutely hated his voice 😂 i couldn’t listen to it.
Now i can get past this but not a fan of his teaching, especially the CRT stuff but his voice still annoys me 😂
@ 57:29 Let your yes be yes and your no be no. For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. Matthew 5:37
Where is part 2? I also want to give David Platt a benefit of the doubt but I can’t. It sounds like he intentionally mislead the congregation. This is so heartbreaking.
He did.
he absolutely did!
Intentionally…this is what Marxist trained people do!
Part 2 is even worse.
There are so very many wolves, false teachers, false prophets and apostles around worlswide. And there is so little of the spirit of discernment.
Not meaning as an attack towards mclean bible church and the people who were hurt and abused. I so feel for them.
I can sense through the stories of the church members how warm and pure bible based and growing and blooming this church was under there pastor Solomon. As an example how a church can function as a through Body of Christ having an impact on the world around them.
And how heartbreaking that David and the other greedy wolves destroyed this.
Praying for all these people that were so hurt. I went through so much myself here because of false teachers, teachings in my Nation. One day al these men that caused so much harm to churches worldwide will have to answer befor God. Blessings to you all.❤🙏
Even when I was listening to Paul Washer several times a week, I stopped at two sermons total, by David Platt, as he made me feel so dreadful about myself. He was legalistic to the point of putting extreme burdens on me. These poor, poor people who sat under his teaching!!!
And Platt drives a Jaguar Range Rover and lives in one of the richest county's in the USA in a million dollar home. There are lots of slums in the area he could live in if he chose to practice what he preaches.
Btw Jaguar Range Rover price range ($120,000 to $371,000).
Do you mean Washer or Platt?
@@hrvatska8786I reread the comment, I think she means platt made her feel so dreadful, even compared to Paul washer (which I don't get bc washer's preaching doesn't make me feel bad, it's encouraging) but I get it
This helps make so much sense of something that's been bothering me. We are doing a lesson right now in one of our Church groups that is a video series by a man who was at one point very close to David in his previous church in Alabama. And they make me angry honestly. They're filled with so much judgement, and not from God but from men. Yet I never feel that when I'm listening to Paul Washer. Washer challenges me. This style of preaching/teaching makes me feel awful.
Washer has a history of piling on shame and pietism in his messages. Like Platt. Beware
When is part 2 coming out?
I’ve heard in a couple weeks
Ready for part 2…….
Always had a uneasy feeling about him
Me too
Me too
Ye are the salt of the earth. But if the salt have lost his savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out and to be trodden under foot of men. - Matt 5:13
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. -Acts 20:29-31
This is what happens to churches when they fail to obey and watch. 😢
I met his mother and the stories she told about him were horrendous 😖 he’s not a good person!!
I read 1 Cor 3: 16-21 this morning and came back to edit my comment- this is exactly what the LORD will not tolerate !!
He actually attempts to expose a twisted truth to benefit himself by emotionally beating others up with his translations 😵💫
A cult leader does the same!!
Our Good Shepherd is GOOD!
We feel safe and protected in His presence -- NOT captive and imprisoned!
Why did David Platt step down as President of the IMB (International Mission Board) of the SBC and go to McLean? What was the story behind that?
The SBC targeted McLean Bible. David is about the money.
Because the IMB is an organization that has departed from gospel fidelity and is focused on numbers more than building God's church.
And also changing the gospel message focused on the cross and our Lord Jesus…to focus on racial issues and stoking the fires of racism…and victimhood…and the disadvantage! This is Marxism!
You must be a good Berean when listening to sinful men, there are a lot of these wolves in sheep clothing!
Is there a link to Part 2? This is shocking. Apparently Acts 29 have been doing church takeovers like this also
What is acts 29?? Can you explain??
Yes…it’s a church building movement I believe! On the line of Platt theology also…but not absolutely sure about that! Might look into that!
I think Acts 29 churches are Matt Chandler
@@lorrainethomas4736 Yes. There are some churches which are in Acts 29 that are in the SBC as well. It kind of came out of the young, restless and Reformed movement. Some of the men in it are really good. Others have git sucked into the vortex of CRT. But there's at least one church I heard about where the members accused the Acts 29 guy who became the pastor as operating in similar ways to what the video says about Platt. Sacking the elders to install his own guys etc.
@@AndalusianIrish you know a link to website or something? I have a pastor friend of mine who’s involved in some movement with that name but not sure if it’s the same
Sounds like it's the elders fault for hiring an undercover Jesuit
Lon must be sick… seeing MBC’s fall. Sad. I wonder if some of these folks will someday hear. “Depart from me worker of iniquity, I never knew you”?
It’s been really sad to see McLean’s descent into liberalism. The old McLean Bible was my first church after God saved me, and I was there through the whole building project and move into the new building.
These are Marxist trained false teachers..often through Jesuit indoctrination and training….who are the most cunning ungodly evil people on the planet! I believe another one was Tim Keller! They are truly Angels of Light!
You always have to be careful with these kind of things. People are telling their perspective of things that came with change. Hurt or feeling deceived are not justifiers for slander and gossip.
These are strong people. I admire their courage.
Just wanted to say my heart goes out all the Godly people who were deceived and mistreated by David Platt and McLean Bible Church's leadership. It's especially sad knowing Lon Solomon was a true man of God with a heart for preaching Jesus Christ and ministering to the people in his church. Seeing his legacy just bulldozed as it was is terrible. One more thing: I've watched both parts of the documentary and the most telling thing I observed was when the motion was made at a business meeting to remove David Platt as lead pastor. Up to that point, Platt had been dodging questions about whether McLean was affiliated with the SBC. During that time, he tried to be outgoing and congenial. But as soon as that motion to dismiss him was made, his demeanor totally changed. He didn't just go silent. His face looked like a frightened little boy who wanted his Daddy to get him out of there. It's clear he didn't think anyone would challenge him to that extent. After that meeting is when members' names started disappearing from the member lists and the votes became shady.
My personal opinion is that this was mostly about money. The SBC saw McLean Bible Church was doing great and wanted that money to go to programs run by the SBC, so they got Dale Sutherland in there to ramrod David Platt into the lead pastor position. As someone who grew up in the Southern Baptist Church, I am appalled that a denomination that was so committed to Biblical inaccuracy and the true gospel of Jesus Christ has fallen so far...and I knew this before I had even heard of David Platt!
God Bless the true believers from McLean!!
WOKE
David Platt, a modern Day Pharisee
seems to be the case. hopefully he repents
He doesn’t preach salvation by keeping the law. We all know we strive by faith to obey God’s command because we have been eternally saved. Now, I don’t support his view on race relations.
This shouldn't be a bash of Mr. Platt. Instead, we should pray in tears and ask God to change his heart. Salvation should be the foremost of our Christian minds. It saddened me to read some of these posts and not be in the mind to pray.
“Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message.”
2 Timothy 4:14-15 ESV
There is Biblical precedence to expose false and harmful leaders.
It should be exactly a bash of Mr. Platt. You don't feed your sheep to a wolf unless you are also a wolf! That church was built on a foundation of non affiliation and Platt was plainly aware that what he was doing was illegal and immoral. I would pray that God would change his employment status!
Bashing and exposing are two different things. Yes, we should pray that God changes Platt's heart. But why are you so concerned about only his situatrion? HE did damamge to a church that was founded and set up to NEVER be in a denomination....then he and his cronies joined the SBC and lied about it. He silenced members of his church. He broke trust and faith with his congregation. He hurt them! So why aren't you concerned with praying for the restoration of those he hurt? Why aren't you praying for the people he willingly betrayed to serve his own interests? Do they not count? Or is it just about praying for the celebrity pastor?
Ephesians 5:11, which reads, "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them"
So sorry you dedicated to God folks went thru that evil take-over. Great that you made such a thorough documentary, exposing these types of take-over. May other churches become fore-warned
I’ve never been into David platt. I knew who he was, but had never heard him speak or read anything of his.
The first time I ever heard him speak was at the first clip of this doc, at T4G, and I knew there was an issue with this guy. Plus he always sounds drunk. 😅
I’m no longer a Calvinist…but at the time I was at T4G I was. I share my story on my channel on how I came out of Calvinism. If you’re interested in listening:
ruclips.net/p/PL7NHwcDBvYYgBpbanrKrRAAI90mCQhOfI&si=CYUbftFiKaJV-dCG
Here’s my attempt at a balanced comment that most won’t like.
There are some issues here that should be confronted. But some of the issues here weren’t necessary to confront. And confronting everything weakens the focus that’s needed to confront the bigger things.
Issues worth confronting: financial confusion and critical race theory.
Issues not worth confronting: new pastor isn’t like the old pastor and the new pastor made changes to the ministries.
It’s also not wise to engage in strong characterizations out of unprocessed hurt. I’m not defending Platt, but effectively exposing ungodliness in a way that’s more focused can more effectively get your point across.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the pastors are different point is over simplified. I think they were trying to point out the way they went from a strong gospel outreach to almost nothing. Plus, how cutting funding for all of these programs left a surplus that they had no idea how it was being utilized. In my eyes, both strong concerns for a church.
Yeah, I see a bit of your point. But I think how they tried to convey that point could’ve been much clearer.
I know you’re trying to be “fair”, but I think you’ve minimized some real issues here. The focus wasn’t on comparing the old pastor and new guy. The issue is also not about making changes.
To reduce deception, thievery, invasion (replacing leaders with your mates) etc. to just “changes” is foolish.
The second part of the documentary will accomplish more of what you’re asking for
@@jencl3863 I’m not reducing deception, thievery, and invasion as just changes… I’m specifically referring to people discussing how Platt made changes to ministries. Was there not a clip about Platt saying something about inter generational groups?
My point is to focus on the biggest issues and not get people lost in the weeds.
Your comment is inaccurately representing what I said.
Follow the money! It ALWAYS leads to the wolves within churches. I believe MBC made one huge mistake at the start of their growth. They should've become a church planting churches by selecting mature and wiling Christians to go out and plant other churches. There is absolutely NO NEED for a congregation of more then a few hundred people, if that. Church membership should stop a certain number (?) and from there send them out!to reach the lost.
Or at least don’t do satellite churches
ah no - MBC was a big church with a small church feel. Platt took the money for church planting in the DC area...almost all failed. this drained the church of money so he could put "check marks" on how many churches he planted.
Such beautiful stories of church membership!
I've been in ministry for a couple of decades now. I've also worked in the sciences/manufacturing for a number of years. While Platt clearly has issues, this is a multi-level failure to manage change that could have been avoided. Frankly, I'm surprised that MBC leadership weren't prepared for this scenario when they had to replace Lon. This is a common scenario faced by churches who replace a founding pastor. Unfortunately, Platt's personality mixed with the timing of cultural issues formed a destructive vortex. I'm also shocked that SBC seminaries are producing leaders like we're seeing today. I'm saddened that MBC was the center of all this.
In retrospect Lon Solomon betrayed the church. John 10:12 "But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep."
God bless Lon Solomon and may God comfort Lon’s heart in a mighty way. So heart wrenching to know David Platt, Dale Sutherland and whoever else deceived God, Lon Solomon, McLean Bible Church and the congregation. Praise God I listened immediately when the Holy Spirit gave me discernment and left the church after a couple messages….still a follower of Pastor Lon. Listen to the Holy Spirit and act…..the devil is a liar, he steals, kills, and destroys!!! 😢
I would love to hear Lon's thoughts on all this. My heart goes out to all those affected.
This goes to show the dangers of politics and dangers of denominational association.
Can someone enlighten me? What is the motivation for being on top spots after giving?
I remember seeing this guys Woke speech/sermon around the time things were blowing up and every so often I would wonder about him and what kind of a church this must be. I'm sorry to hear your stories but happy to hear it wasn't the congregation gone wrong. I hope you all recover your former days
Can someone help me understand, whats the big harm with being part of the SBC? Im ignorant in this subject. Blessings
[FWIW, I'm in the documentary. ] I was NOT so much upset about the MBC becoming an SBC church, but the fact that a sacred contract was broken and there was false advertising and then a cover up. I actually was almost glad MBC became part of a big denomination and therefore part of a bigger family. FWIW, I'm more Presbyterian than Baptist anyway....
But, in retrospect, after my ordeal, realized the SBC of today is not the SBC of 40 years ago. It is so corrupt and declining (like a lot of churches). And the SBC was involved in a half-billion (BILLION) dollar scam 20 years ago (which is a billion in today's dollars), but that's not talked about enough. Google "Arizona Baptist Foundation" if you are curious...
I'm the one who said in the documentary, I felt welcome at MBC because pastor Solomon became a Christian in part because of his study of enzymes (Solomon was a student of chemistry and archaeology as well as the Bible).
Lon's study of enzymes showed that I faith to be built on facts rather than celebrity preachers. Many of the older generation at MBC still remembers Lon's sermon on enzymes.
The problema is the lying, manupulating, stealing etc..
Watch the documentary, spend a bit of time to read up, and invest some work to investigate the issue. You are literally connected to the greatest database of human information ever conceived, which can be searched in seconds.
It was the way it was done. Lies, deceit, and breaking the constitution of the church.
The baptist Sunday school committees own count puts the estimated freemason membership count at one million one hundred thousand freemasons in the SBC. Now go find the 1970 movie with Glen Ford called " Brotherhood of the Bell". You won't even have to watch the whole move before you see the light.
Not just DAVID.. SBC SHOULD Apologize also..
J.D. Greear was the president of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) from 2018 to 2021. During his tenure, he faced challenges related to race, sex abuse, and declining membership. Here are some of the events that occurred during Greear's presidency:

Sex abuse allegations: Greear acknowledged the need for more action on sex abuse allegations against current and former Southern Baptist ministers and volunteers. Leaked letters during the end of his presidency suggested that some denominational leaders were trying to block efforts to address these allegations.

Controversial statements: Greear joked about rumors that he received funding from George Soros and flew around the country in a private plane paid for with Southern Baptist donations. He also said that he considered lies about SBC leaders to be "demonic".
So basically, this man disguised his greed in "generosity".
Me thinks David Platt & his minions have something to hide...
For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. John 3:20
Ever since I was asked to read his Radical book by a pastor I served under, I always had a reservation about Platt. I had always hoped I was wrong and I surely hate that I was right.
I had the same experience. After, I read his little book, I ended up throwing it out. His tone was very legalistic, arrogant, and self righteous (based on my own experience), I would even add somewhat Cultic. He lost me when he urged families to no longer go on vacations but mission trips…. And to spend at least ten percent of your time in another cultural context…
And Platt drives a Jaguar range rover and lives in one of the richest county's in the USA in a million dollar home. There are lots of slums in the area he could live in if he chose to practice what he preaches.
Btw Jaguar Range Rover price range ($120,000 to $371,000).
None of the congregation knows what his total compensation is, even after the lawsuit which only got a fraction of the desired documents.
@@EvidenceandReasons The part about the church being in the dark about the spending and finances of the church is mind boggling to me. I can’t imagine being in such a place. The church where I am a member provides a complete breakdown of all finances each quarter and when we give we can dictate which funds our money is put towards. I couldn’t faithfully contribute where things are so hidden and kept in the dark.
@@christyler6234Well, yes and no. Unless they are printing the reports straight from the accounting system rather than “giving you a report” you still need to trust that you are getting the whole, true story. Even if it’s visually wonky I’d ask for the docs to be directly printed from the accounting system.
I read that MBC is an Elder- ruled church rather than Elder advised church. I am not familiar with Edler leading. Our pastor, in concert with our deacons, leads but all matters of any consequence (spending or of any othrt nature)are presented in a business meeting, discussed, either voted on or "continued" for a prescribed period of time for further study. I cannot imagine a system where those who ARE the local church have minimal input much less NO hand in the church government.
David Platt has an estimated net worth of $2.43 Million. So where did all that money come from? Who in D.C. was paying him?
Well he has written 10 plus books and has speaking engagements all over the world. I don't agree with the CRT stuff that he dove into but this documentary is a bunch of disgruntled members who had an issue with CRT and then all the changes (which all churches go through especially after a legacy pastor leaves).
This is so sad. Keep your eyes on Jesus, not on sinful man.
"Be careful. Don't treat sin like it's no big deal. And whatever you do, don't try to hide it. Don't pretend like it's not there. Sin thrives in secret. And sin will not remain secret." - He should do what he has said.
Sad. Gods love is not unconditional. Where is a verse
John 3:16 says “whosoever believes”. Not everyone. Those who believe. Also, 1 John 1:9 says that IF we confess our sin… That is a conditional statement. I’m sure there are others but those are the two that popped up in my head.
Proverbs 11:21 Come quickly Lord Jesus.
Funniest parts (paraphrases):
Part 1 -
People: “We only got straight exegesis from Lon”
Lon: “we’re going to unapologetically sing ‘my country tis of thee’”
People: Platt’s in it for the money
Same people: we had a formula that worked and got us up to 13,000 people and Platt ruined it
Part 2 -
People: “Platt took the gospel’s airtime [at church on July 4] to talk about people sowing division in the church”
Same People: “it was July 4; how dare he not play the song for every military branch while we honor service members?”
so what is "funny" about it? Lon honored military members for a few minutes every July 4th...many in the congregation were military or retired military....what is your problem with that? He then preached....want to tell us your military service?
There’s no perfect church , but this solidifies why I’m Presbyterian now .
You wouldn't be saying that if you were at the mess of a Presbyterian (PCA) church in our locality or the one our friends left in NW Georgia.
@@alomax92you are probably right , and I’m sorry to hear that .
There's corruption across the church. Denomination doesn't matter.
It's more important to be a blood bought follower of Jesus Christ than telling us what "denomination" you are. That doesn't "save" anyone.
@ never said it did , but good polity protects Christs sheep . Grace and peace, brother.
12 minutes in and I don’t understand what David platt did. I want to understand.
25 minutes in and I’m so disappointed in Pastor Dale and David.
I’m sadden because I know so many people who are thriving under the current leadership and I’m hurt for these people effected by all of this. I’m sorry, I hope you all heal and receive justice. 😢
What was the motive to join the SBC and give them so much money?
David clearly got some kind of benefit from the SBC, based on the way he was asking for MBC to give certain amounts to different SBC entities
Looks like Platt is the SBC’s golden boy. They spotted McLean as a cash cow to funnel money into the SBC and Platt’s personal organizations (from which he also gets paid).
@@Adam-yf3ss100%
Daylight is a great sanitizer
When he was answering questions by his congregation, he was talking JUST like a shifty politician. That was bad.
What happened to Platt's speech impediment? He used to speak haltingly.
My wife and I have come to appreciate the ministry of Gary Hamrick and Cornerstone Chapel in Leesburg, VA which is very close to McLean. I know Gary warns against most of the things that are being promoted by progressive liberals in the last 10-20 years so he wouldn’t agree with David’s promotion of these either. I hope he stays on the “straight and narrow.”
Gary is tremendous.
How he straight up dodged Laura when she asked him the question and kept going is so cowardly
She didn't elaborate on what she meant by "Affiliated". The SBC has ZERO authority over local churches. Literally ZERO. Giving 0.8% of your budget to SBC causes (which I would hope an Evangelical church would align with) does not mean you're an SBC church. There are countless independent baptists that contribute to the cooperative program. And guess what? They are still independent baptists....I think David was being kind by not making the woman look stupid in front of the crowd.
I’m an SBC member.. i understand exactly what the SBC can and can’t do. However, as a grown man that’s a pastor and a leader… he was being very dodgy and seemed very hesitant… and even if you want to ignore that part.. the rest of the documentary proves that he was being dishonest.
@@Reader234 He wasn't though. If someone who you know has bad intentions and is trying to get you in a "gotcha" type bad faith question, you'd be careful with your words too. A slanted documentary that is edited by the "offended party" is not going to be charitable.
This is clearly just a hit piece with manipulative video editing. Most of the attention is given to whether David was leading the church he was pastoring (while being president of an SBC organization) to be affiliated with the SBC. A few angry people making a big deal over something that should never have been an issue. If they didn't want to affiliated with the SBC, they shouldn't have hired David.
The great thing about SBC lackeys trying to pooh-pooh the content is that the comments just boost the video in the algorithm. Thanks, buddy! Anyone putting the word "sojourners" in their username is decidedly outside of the target audience.
The elders who let this man into the church must have seen something in this man for him to be there. It’s hard to believe that is was blissful ignorance on the part of the elders.
no one did their homework. They trusted Dale Sutherland and Larry Cooper.
Very little discernment today! No one wants to step on toes…just get along!
@@lorrainethomas4736 if only more elders would understand that the Flock they are tending belongs to The Lord God. Imagine the account a person would have to give as to why one of his sheep are injured by the wolves they should have been watching for.
great documentary
I need to watch before this gets taken down
I’m not surprised that they wanted to diversify the worship leaders because honestly, predominantly white churches tend to lean to a certain aesthetic that is not familiar to the black and brown community. As a black person who desires to diversify my black church, I have stepped down willingly so my Spanish and white sisters and brothers could integrate our worship experience. Why? Because we want all races to feel and know they are welcomed. Our song choices changed as well to diversify our worship music selection. I believe no church should have a black or white sound, but the moment it’s called out in BOTH churches, people get offended instead of asking themselves is this true if so what can we do it about it. I remember someone said, we have a preference and if people don’t like then they are not welcomed.
Wow- just on the denomination issue - what a train wreck. $2 million to SBC and had to find out about it from a lawsuit. Not a good day for a pastor. Wonder if he understands.
probably not
I'm still bewildered on ?how and ?why the elders would hire Platt to begin with
Our associate Pastor, Dale Sutherland, who Lon had put in charge of administering the church, had all the staff and elders read the book “Too Big to Fail.” They were scared the church would implode if and when Lon left. Then they got a chance to bring David in and forced Lon out prematurely
David had them hire a consultant, Wade Burnett, who said publically that they did not need him to consult. If they could get david they should hire him now! No one did the homework. They ignored warnings from members. This all started in the summer of 2015 when david first preached at MBC.
@@AK-rf2xd Attended MBC during Lon's Tenure. The $$$ went more into ministry in those days. Switched to Temple Baptist Herndon VA before moving to Knoxville TN 4 years ago.
@@KM-jt4xh I like to believe there were many true Pastors other than Platt
Wow…. Heartbreaking…
Yes, that's the word for it.
You know, Jesus deeply loves His church. I don't want to know what is in store for those who harm His church and fail to repent of it. We need discernment in these last days to follow the Lord and not be led off course from the Gospel of Christ Jesus and the Word.
he would not give a yes or no answer.
This documentary feels like just a bunch of angry members who hate change.
The only valid complaint would be around financial issues. If true, an external audit would point them out. And if serious enough should be dealt with by the criminal and justice systems.
Around half of the congregation (over 13,000 when David came) left the church. That was not the intention of bringing David in, to have him completely change the church and turn half of the members off and force them to leave the church. That wouldn’t be a success by anyone’s standard
@@KM-jt4xh I watched churches split over non-nonsensical conspiracies, culture warring and politics over the past few years. People will live churches en-masse for a variety of beliefs and situations thinking that the "church has changed" about something. What exactly did David "change" that was outside of Christian orthodoxy?
I wish it were about angry members who hate change. Believe me. David is a wolf and was from day 1. Many tried to warn the elders, even the former pastor. There was crooked back room dealings to get him to MBC.
And let's be real about the financial issue...0.8% of the budget was given to the SBC. It's like having 100 bucks and giving away 80 cents.
@@AK-rf2xd Feel free to post the evidence of your claims that there were "crooked back room deals" along with who were all involved and what were the terms of the deals.
How much of Jesus’s teaching is about race or gender?
Ask those who used Christianity as a tool of oppression.
Nothing about race but a lot about gender. The distinctions between male and female and their separate roles in society and the family are central to the Bible
Sorry I was unclear. Jesus did not pontificate about race and gender but clearly communicated we are all created in the image of God. Of course men and women are different - different roles, equal value. Any pastor spending this much time on something God didn’t stress is like Aaron, Moses’s brother- creating an idol.
Yes, the elders there let you all down and are as guilty as DP
Many of us knew years ago this guy was disingenuous. He became a player.
Serious question and not making fun of Platt...When he speaks, he often sounds like deaf people I know who are able to talk. Is he hard of hearing?
Regardless of that, this guy has some serious repenting to do. The shameful treatment of the former members, and faithful ones at that, is just awful.
I had never heard of Lon, seems like a good dude.
He used to speak at a Christian camp/resort I grew up going to. The camp had different notable speakers every week, Lon was one of the few you would see hanging out at all the different facilities, taking with people, praying with them etc. Very pleasant, funny, real and godly man from what I could tell. Most of the other speakers you would only see behind the pulpit. Although David Platt came once and he was hanging around everyone as well lol.
Wonder where he is and what he thinks?
unreal - see 36:55 - "Elders serve as a leader in that ministry if they would like to improve it but SUBMITS to the director (huh?!?) and INTERVIEWS FOR THE POSITION like other members of MBC". This shows Platt's contempt for the Elders - HE IS SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR THE ELDERS!!
You know- david has been and is a blessing to so many. But logic tells me - if you want to stay SBC - don't go to an independent church. Separate and both go do what God calls you to do. Stop the public fussing.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment, but the church did not want to be SBC. They wanted to be independent and it was David Platt that joined the SBC and started supporting their causes, without the knowledge of the church.
Hope there is more info in part 2 about how Lon Solomon was removed.
When the vision goes before the care of the people, its bad news.
What a sad situation. Lord save your people please!
So sad to see such duplicity among men naming the name of Christ.
This is a fascinating documentary, and I do feel for those who have suffered. However, the warning signs about Platt’s questionable doctrine and practice were present in his early book “Radical,” which taught a very legalistic understanding of money and financial stewardship, and it’s sad to see that many people either did not know about it or did not care.
I look forward to watching and learning. Knowing this was forthcoming I have some questions…
It’s my understanding that Lon Solomon signed a non disclosure agreement (‘NDA’) when he left MBC. I’m curious what was confidential/sensative in a normal pastoral transition that needed an NDA? I am assuming Lon approved of the transition to David, which stands in opposition to what I had thought which is…Lon (and I could be wrong and folks have a right to change their mind) repeatedly and publicly stated he was staying in the McLean Bible pulpit til the Lord called him home? Do folks that put this video together think Lon and the all male elder board were “hoodwinked/purchased a lemon?” Also, why didn't Lon stay the lead pastor at MBC? Did the elders ask Lon to move on or was it Lon’s decision? Has the NDA expired? If so, has Lon publically addressed the questions we all have?
Yes, Lon said many times he would be there until he died. In my opinion, he was pushed out. He left at the same time all the other white men over 50 were told they had to retire or they would be fired. They signed NDAs in order to keep their severance or retirement. Why would an NDA be necessary in a church? I have no idea but there were a lot of weird, secular things that happened during this time, starting by firing white men over 50
@@KM-jt4xh so the elders who Lon worked for said Lon was no longer wanted? And somehow at least according to the first 23 minutes, Dale Sutherland, an Associate Pastor who is white and over 50 at the time, is able to call the shots and “shove” Lon out? Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Seems like he’d need unanimous elder (think they were also all white males and over 50) support, no?
@@robertcopelandiii8339 it was complicated…Dale Sutherland (not an elder) hired a consulting firm to ask how we could keep our church from imploding when Lon left and they recommended basically firing everyone on staff who was a white male over 50. Later, they supposedly took a survey at Tysons campus one weekend asking if people still liked Lon’s sermons, and they claimed the results showed people thought his sermons were repetitive. I have a hard time believing the majority voted that way. But they used that stuff to convince him to leave willingly
Larry Cooper and Dale presented lon with the NDA as a succession plan that would take place sometime in the future. Lon trusted these men (this is the big mistake). When Lon signed it they enacted it right away. He was locked in with his retirement, care for his disabled daughter, etc. He was 69 and had been told it was time for him to go. Very sinister to say the least.
@@robertcopelandiii8339 eventually Dale was pushed out too. You don’t have to believe me but this is what I believe happened. Dale and Wade Burnett convinced Lon to retire by telling him the congregation didn’t like his sermons anymore. They didn’t “fire” him or yes, that would’ve required the elders
I'm from Alabama and I've never heard of the SBC described as liberal.
Jesus never quashed arguments, but rather taught truths with them.
This is so disappointing. I’m sorry to all of the people impacted by this. I’m heartbroken for you and will no longer support Pastor David Platt and his circle of leadership until they repent. Again I am so sorry and I thank you for revealing the deception.